protection

[solid sun]

I been doing that, but I’m tired boss

[frosty mango]

instructions unclear

healthbar is yellow

[solid sun]

These kids still can’t kill H Gally

[frosty mango]

what do I do

[strong forum]

counter argument

dummy

[sick sentinel]

is a 681 alchemist stone better than this?

[strong forum]

uuuhh

[frosty mango]

If you dont drop below 60% much I think so? Never actually thought of how that interaction works

[strong forum]

even if you drop below 60

the CD of the shield doesnt prevent the haste buff

[sick sentinel]

hmm okay ty. ill craft it once i have crests then

[frosty mango]

it says after 20s without activating, you still get the haste buff even if the shield procs?

I get that they're offset (if you get hit thats 30s no shield so guaranteed haste proc 20s after you hit 60% health)

[strong forum]

if you have the shield on cd

you cant proc the shield

but still the haste buff

[solid sun]

Are you on meth

[strong forum]

and thats then guaranteed

since

you cant proc the shield

[frosty mango]

I just said what Nome said before he said it, so I'm on something

[solid sun]

I need another parenthetical for the parenthetical what a wild sentence that was.

[lofty warren]

If you only do m+ and have pacemaker what trinket should you buy?

[solid sun]

No but how you said it was like blowing me away, man

[frosty mango]

are you generally confused by numbers

or is this a new thing

re: your question about meth, I've graduated to bath salts

[strong forum]

so yes

[frosty mango]

economy isn't what it was, I gotta find a low price alternative

[solid sun]

I just found how you structured the thought to be a wild ride

[frosty mango]

ConvertTo-English

[solid sun]

I’m a tradesman, so I work with numbers a lot. Just differently than maybe how other people use them. Mine are for measuring distances mostly. Sometimes angles but that part is less important

[frosty mango]

I sit in front a computer all day. I used to work outside with cool stuff for the mil

I miss outside, it was nice

seven years until I retire and I never have to see a computer again

[solid sun]

Play wow on a tablet?

[frosty mango]

I'll be playing no games

i'll move to a shack in the mountains in the middle of nowhere and never be heard from again, it's gonna be great

[solid sun]

Whaaaaaaat

Won’t your family miss you

[frosty mango]

If they don't come with me, sure

[solid sun]

I’ll miss you

[frosty mango]

humans aren't meant to sit in front of a screen 8 hours a day

the one thing i've learned above all else in my adult life is less is definitely more

[solid sun]

I don’t think I see myself ever not playing games. I spend less time on them now for sure, but I think I’ll probably always play them in some capacity

[frosty mango]

nope, not me

when I turn 47 I'm liquidating everything I own, quitting my job, and heading to the mountains

[solid sun]

Gonna pick up odd jobs while in the mountains? Live off the land?

[frosty mango]

I’ll have enough money to not need to do that

That’s the plan, anyway

[solid sun]

Dang you won

Good job!

[frosty mango]

No it’s a terrible job! That’s why I only wanna do it until I’m 47!

[solid sun]

Shoot with how things are going rn I might not ever retire

But anyways

Are y’all starting dwarf and just going around the map until ending with mage quarter into Alleria

I feel like that’s what I did in bfa

[round pendant]

god

my udk friend parsing 6 in +13s

[small steeple]

rip,

[raw edge]

whats the best horrific head enchant for prot?

[lusty grotto]

.

[jagged gust]

Hmm, I wonder what he was trying to convey

[round pendant]

still timing em but I feel like we ain't getting 15s done unless he fixes it

but I don't have the heart/courage to bring it up

[small steeple]

be nice/polite about it

[round pendant]

"Hey man I think you should try Hekili"

like this?

[mighty valley]

surely he at least has details installed and kinda knows

[solid sun]

“Have you been to the DK discord lately?”

[round pendant]

Yeah he knows

[solid sun]

Idk I don’t think it’s a matter of courage

It’s about perspective

You want your mate to push with you but what they’re putting out isn’t gonna cut it, and you’d prefer them getting better than pushing with some rando

So do they wanna get better or not

It isn’t an act of insult. It’s an act of hoping your friend wants to keep joining you for more difficult challenges

[lusty grotto]

AHHHHHH

alleria in execute range

kinda fucked when you're RNGd and see no sanity pots around

[strong forum]

go arms for her

and burn her

or fury or w/e

easier than tank

altho

we do like 4x the ST we did comparatively to BFA

[patent scroll]

Oh yeah you can talent swap in visions

[lusty grotto]

i refuse

[strong forum]

[patent scroll]

I just ran the raid execute build with colossus

But honestly could just swap between two builds

[frosty mango]

Honestly I had this issue with some raiders

And I just approached it bluntly but tactfully

I literally just said “your performance in raid has not been in a place where it’s conducive to us meeting our goals for the tier, I put together some recommendations to give you a hand on discord, take a look this week and let me know if you need any help doing log analysis etc”

Then I send them links to their class discord, their logs, wipefest/wowanalyzer if supported, etc

but the number one rule of teams is you can't help people who don't want to help themselves. Your intent and genuineness is irrelevant if the person just doesn't A) see it as a problem or B) doesn't care

[patent scroll]

Yeah, I offered (and still kinda do, no takers in this guild so far) to go through guildies logs in detail and figure out things they can/should improve on.

Previous guilds have had different responses when their logs get absolutely shredded under a microscope though

[frosty mango]

no value if the people dont care

when I was doing real hard CE (like top 50) it was expected your logs would be looked at but for most casual or midcore guilds I think you have to weigh whether a person has the mindset to accept criticism

[sharp gale]

I gave up, the rng on pots are kinda cringe, another day maybe

mug didn’t die btw

[elder thorn]

anyone know why my logs sometimes don't include my character's talents/gear randomly? the logs have everything else in it, but sometimes just no gear/talent info

[jagged gust]

I remember Gio having that problem a lot

I think

[sharp gale]

Is this panel on points or damage

[elder thorn]

points

[sharp gale]

Set it to damage

Just to verify

[elder thorn]

yep same thing

[sharp gale]

Okok I thought it was mixing no logs keys(what you see in points) with real logs

[elder thorn]

It's weird

[coarse latch]

Demolish feels so good to use

BAM BAM BAMM

except when I'm arms and the mob walks away from me

So I just leveled to 80 and I only have option to 6 and 7

Wouldn't it be kinda unwise to pick 2 on use trinkets?

If I'm a new tank I'm thinking it might be better to take the chromebustable bomb suit since I don't have the defensive experience. What do you all think?

[warm plinth]

@strong forum wonder if they kept the fun rexxar bug in, what do you think? Where you pull half the zone into him and proc your sanity cheat because you're Nome and you don't give a fuck

[warm plinth]

Not really, at least not when one is an offensive trinket and one is a defensive trinket. Offensive trinkets generally get used on CD (or close to it). Defensive are as-needed, so you'll know ahead of time if you need to use it.

[coarse latch]

Ahhh I see, thanks. So HoC is offensive and bomb suit is defensive?

The every 2 min 6k mastery is better than the flat out mastery increase of the jastor diamond to then I guess?

[warm plinth]

Well, list aside, it's unlikely you'd want to use jastor as a new tank anyway

It pressures you to be constantly chain pulling, which is probably not something you want to be worrying about when you're learning the basics.

[coarse latch]

Ohhh I didn't know that. I'll probably pick the bomb suit for the defensiveness then

I won't be raising with this toon since I'm needed to heal for my guild, so no chance of getting either in vault

Thanks

[maiden jungle]

can u bombsuit pre pulltimer?

[lusty grotto]

as far as im aware, trinkets have never reset with, im suspecting you mean, key start

so unless something has changed, no

also it wouldnt be considered since its 1.5min cd

has to be a 3 min cd to reset

on non-trinket cds

[warm plinth]

I almost did 3 zones and boss but I suck 😦

got greedy and died at 5% hp on Alleria

Wonder what this would be like if I had 50 more ilevel

and, you know, tier set

[lusty grotto]

ive had multiple sub 20% tries

but for some fucking reason

my ISP decided to fuck up routing or something and i get the most random lag spikes

[warm plinth]

That sucks

[lusty grotto]

so its either that and/or potion RNG

[warm plinth]

I gotta pick TD right

[mighty valley]

Press Whirlwind or Slam

[warm plinth]

I ain't no bitch

yeah, I got an explorer 1/8 helm, what

Did you already get Elite Extermination unlocked @lusty grotto

[coarse latch]

Lol speaking of that what if you replace your helmet?

[thin silo]

After the quest you can just buy new enchants

[sharp gale]

@lusty grotto how you go so fast, I kinda get pre- mage quarter, but when do you use the last orb ?

[jagged gust]

5 no shows for raid tonight, absolute shambles

[sharp gale]

And does hogger respawn if I delete the shard

[lusty grotto]

it varies

[sharp gale]

RL forgot to post invites for next month, I noticed this morning but magically everyone was here, kinda crazy

[lusty grotto]

usually if i use the first orb before or after shaw, im on a good pace

sometimes i have to 2nd early into mage quarter

last orb before mage quarter boss is tight but doable

or if 1 portal is missing etc

[sharp gale]

First yeah I can consistently do it before Shaw, second I do like you (around the first portal), but (I failed bc I took avoidable sanity damage) I feel like I don’t have enough to do the mage + alleria

I will delete the shard and try to make hogger spawn again

[lusty grotto]

i should do that

i dont bother with the toy guy

unless hes on my way

and if im retrying and train set is on cd, i just ignore him

[warm plinth]

You don't even need it most likely

[sharp gale]

Yeah idk if hogger works tho, will try tomorrow

[warm plinth]

I'm 622 ilevel and I still killed her in under a minute without CCing lol

[lusty grotto]

hogger would help though

[round cliff]

when do u guys lust workshop

1st pull?

[rain light]

yeah

[warm plinth]

It's weird; I always did Old Town last in BfA, but now everyone seems to be doing Mage last

[next pasture]

bro, playing a dps alt, and what do i see in lfg

holy purple

[warm plinth]

Any VDH in the chat

[sharp gale]

I did trade/mage first this morning but now that I’m trying 5 masks, orb timings are critical

[warm plinth]

I assume you'

you're doing 5 mask runs

Or wait, can you do 5 right now?

or only 4?

[sharp gale]

Yes would be glad to do it before next week / before sanity drain reduction will like triple the time I have

[round pendant]

honestly

[warm plinth]

Sanity drain reduction is going to be super silly. You can basically afk for 10 mins and still do 8 masks when you have it maxed

[round pendant]

nothing this season has been harder than those crocodiles in uldaman in DF

[warm plinth]

90% reduction is crazy

[round pendant]

am I crazy

[warm plinth]

Sir they are basilisks

[round pendant]

whatever

they're basically crocodiles

tho ig they're more aligators than crocs

[warm plinth]

how dare you

[sharp gale]

Gallus Gallus Domesticus* to be precise

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-nick-nickelodeon-patrick-gif-17195320

[warm plinth]

Also I'm really good at reading @sharp gale I realize I asked if you were doing 5 masks right after you said you were doing 5 masks

[mighty valley]

what the fuck. that's way too many bdks

[lusty grotto]

i think im gonna alter my route and just do trade > mage first then port and do dwarve > old

[solid sun]

Haven't quite cracked the 5 mask yet?

[lusty grotto]

been way too close for comfort

on good news

i got invited to the Battlefield alpha

[warm plinth]

Now that's a route

Battlefield is still around?

[lusty grotto]

theres a new one coming out either late this year or early next

[warm plinth]

Dang

[round pendant]

god I need a new hobby

[lusty grotto]

nvm i got invited to the ps5 alpha

so i declined lol

i aint playing FPS on consoles

[round pendant]

lmao

yeah that's torture

[nocturne spindle]

cant you just plug a keyboard into the ps5 at this point

[lusty grotto]

probably

but i aint playing that fucking game on my ps5

[solid sun]

don't you play fps on console for aim assist so you can pretend to be godly

[lusty grotto]

you can just do that on pc

[solid sun]

oh

[round pendant]

yeah playing apex legends without a controller is griefing

the aim assist in that game (at least last time I played) was borderline cheating imo

[coarse latch]

I wish they would make Titanfall 3

[sinful copper]

i got a mud now. should i use for 16+ priory and flood? or any other dungeons seem a "must have"?

[round pendant]

Think it's mainly those two

I wouldn't know tho

[worn crystal]

once i get to these thresholds (via Archon) (I am currently over on all of these), just keep haste/crit stacking? i just want to make sure i am getting my best values without diminishing returns

[sinful copper]

pretty sure u are supposed to sim instead of blindly following overall stats

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt be "getting those threshholds"

this is the wrong way to build your character

stat threshholds do not matter

you want haste over 16k WITH 4pc tier so you can play Into The Fray

lower than that you play Heavy Repercussions

you keep stacking haste until around 20k haste until SB uptime does not suffer

your SB cooldown is hastened, which is why you stack haste

on the climb to 20-21k haste rating, you need to sim

[round cliff]

use the joycon as a mouse now

[lusty grotto]

and what sorbitol said is true, you sim for any stats, you do not focus on threshholds

those stats from Archon are basically a useless metric

[worn crystal]

ty

[lusty grotto]

equip stuff if its higher ilvl and only if it will not break your 4pc with the exception of neck/rings since they dont have primary stat

and of course with the exception of certain trinkets

more ilvl means more Strength, more Armor which converts into Strength, higher Stamina (with Armored to the Teeth), and more overall stats

tl;dr

ish

[round cliff]

is handynotes supposed to map out visions

or do i need a diff addon

[lusty grotto]

IT IS DONE

[round cliff]

@grok is this true

[round cliff]

was it hard?

ive only done the intro vision

[solid sun]

Big Grats

[lusty grotto]

considerably

very tight and can get fucked by potion RNG

but the route helped

[round cliff]

possible at 674 ilvl?

[lusty grotto]

hard to say

im 680

[round cliff]

should i just craft chest/neck/boots/ring

i think i can do all 4 rn

if i wanted

[lusty grotto]

if they arent myth you should

i think i saved the entire run so might up to youtube

[sinful copper]

anyone get the void enchant for all of your characters? i am about to get it on my warrior. what is needed for alts?

[round cliff]

isnt there supposed to be a dead mf with a bad potion next to him right here

or am i misremembering

[lusty grotto]

also a tip from BFA: split personality is negated by SR, you can just walk through the illusions, and on a pinch you can leap out but its dangerous if youre too close to one

[lusty grotto]

yes, hes right all the way in front of where you start

[fast knot]

Guy wasn't there for me as well, took a couple runs

[lusty grotto]

strange

[fast knot]

I also didn't see any pots for those runs

[lusty grotto]

but i was bugged since last night on mage quarter so, not surprising

right you dont really need them except for multiple masked runs

[round cliff]

ill be doing 5 mask

whats the route?

[lusty grotto]

ah fuck it didnt record all the way

i did 2 pulls for cath clearing trade exit and dwarven exit - also grabbing the guards while i was at it and triggering the RP, then trade, then mage quarter, port back, then dwarven, old town, port back and alleria

[meager nexus]

has anyone seen this weapon in use yet?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=237780/nightfall-curseblades-cudgel?bonus=11977:6652:1498:10255

[lusty grotto]

by two pulls i mean i pulled everything except one pack

[meager nexus]

it's insane pull threat

[lusty grotto]

im sure it is, except it'll nerf the rest of your damage

so not worth

[round cliff]

can u get all the cosmetics n achievements n mounts n shit from bfa this time around?

[lusty grotto]

you can get all the old stuff

[round cliff]

mad world has a mount doesnt it

or smth has a mount

[lusty grotto]

including mail muncher

[round cliff]

and theres mail muncher

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[coarse latch]

nub q but i am confused

so..shield block text says "block all melee attacks against you for 8 seconds."

Does this imply then that I shouldnt use ignore pain along side with shield block then? since ignore pain only blocks 50% of damage taken, and you wouldnt take any damage if you have shield block up (if only taking melee damage obv)

Basically - I should just try to keep up as much shield block as possible and when im really taking heavy damage have ignore pain up? or like the guide says if im gonna rage cap

[round cliff]

block isnt 0 damage

its highly reduced damage

[lusty grotto]

block is capped, you always take damage, the only exception is spell block crit blocks which can randomly do 100% DR

[tidal scarab]

my prot sims keep telling me to drop to like 16k haste

[coarse latch]

i see, ok, so we do use them concurrently then?

[lusty grotto]

sure

you always press IP at 70+ rage

[coarse latch]

yeah i read that on the guide

[round cliff]

so red then blue then alleria

?

[coarse latch]

and basically we are always aiming for as close to 100% uptime of sb?

[round cliff]

what pack arent u pulling in 1st zone

[lusty grotto]

IP will smooth out damage thats left over by blocking

[lusty grotto]

correct

[lusty grotto]

all the right side from the start

towards the trade district exit

then i go back pull the 2 dudes guarding alleria, the pack at the tentacle and the pack closest to the exit to dwarven district

i double back looking for potions, and trigger the RP, and just exit to trade district

[round cliff]

these 2?

[lusty grotto]

no, the guards at the top of the stairs

[round cliff]

oh u said all the right side

not all BUT the right side

[lusty grotto]

yeah the one pack near the portion corpse i dont pull

nor the ones close to the kids doing the pentagram

[round cliff]

these guys

[lusty grotto]

right

so basically i dont pull exactly your screenshots

c:

[round cliff]

yea

so u pull up to the door, double back for guards/rp, and pull to dwarven district door?

[lusty grotto]

its hard to explain let me see if i can Paint.exe

[round cliff]

yea 😔

[round cliff]

is that a pull 1 pull 2 type beat

[lusty grotto]

purple is pull one obviously

cause you start back NW

orange is pull 2

[round cliff]

yea ok

when rp

[lusty grotto]

after the arrow tip of orange i double back

you barely enter the cathedral and can hear the voice over, that means the RP started

[round cliff]

ya

[lusty grotto]

while youre trying to trigger RP, you look for pots

[round cliff]

i have to re-remember the routes thru all these places

why not pull guards in pull 1?

[lusty grotto]

you could

its just faster pressing W for pull 1

[coarse latch]

thanks 😄

I misjudged the shit out of the this class lmao. I have always thought warrior to be basic and boring - but actually playing it - this class fckn rocks

[round cliff]

what addon are u using for map markers

[lusty grotto]

handynotes

and handynotes BFA

fucking should have recorded it

the chests are from the BFA version idk why they still show up tbh

well i guess they show up in this version but they dont matter lmao

nor the odd crystals, at least not for a 5 mask run

[lusty grotto]

im glad you liked it

[round cliff]

haha whoopsie :3 i forgot about the funny chains move

[lusty grotto]

also ive had mail muncher since bfa so i dont need mailbox locations

[round cliff]

when u wipe in a 0 mask

[lusty grotto]

just do it normally tbh

youll get a feel for what does what

[round cliff]

do what normally

[lusty grotto]

dont follow my route i mean heh

[round cliff]

o

[lusty grotto]

well, i guess you could just hit areas in the same order

[round cliff]

im starting to remember my old route

[lusty grotto]

make sure you have the 4 memories btw

[round cliff]

i think its way different than urs

memories?

[coarse latch]

now all i have to do is get over my fear of tanking

[lusty grotto]

my old route was the standard dwarven old town trade mage

thats how i got it in bfa

[round cliff]

that feels more natural

[lusty grotto]

yeah its just not effective with such little upgrades/resistance in day 2 lol

cause you want sanity from mini bosses, and dwarven only really has one mini boss which means youre at the mercy of pot rng

well, 1 mini boss and 1 boss

leaving old town for last means youll get a mini boss right as you enter, and another one near the end, and then shaw

so very good to recover sanity

where you need it, which is at the end of the run

[lusty grotto]

i meant the hourglass shit

[round cliff]

o right

[jagged gust]

I got lost in the mage district, spent 1500 sanity trying to find the final portal keeper

[lusty grotto]

also the tribute for elite extermination is what gives you sanity per mini boss/ boss killed, and you need to do a few runs so that it increases

[chilly brook]

I really gotta start charging for these runs

[lusty grotto]

you go right from the entrance, until you reach the caster mini boss there, and then turn around and theres a another portal close by

then go through the house/shop into the middle area

2 portals there with 1 mini boss

and the other house/shop you can go through has the last portal

[jagged gust]

okay so clearly I missed that last bit

[lusty grotto]

then you double back to the tower

going left at the start of the area is a trap

you waste too much time going that way

and to find the portals from that direction, its messy

[jagged gust]

okay just a simple change should make all the difference then

[coarse latch]

Was this a key?

[chilly brook]

yea just a 12

[coarse latch]

Damn. Boomy should be blasting lol. It's like 3 buttons, new player? But who is new to a spec that does 12s lol

[chilly brook]

idk homie died like 9 times

[round cliff]

u said SR the clone?>

[lusty grotto]

hit SR and walk through it

[round cliff]

(i dont have any masks yet)

just did my 5 zones in 1 trip

[lusty grotto]

youll get one in the chest

chests*

[round cliff]

yea i got it

hourglass timegated?

i cant get any more rn

[lusty grotto]

you can only get 4

its timegated, yes

[round cliff]

damn u did the full thing with only 4 crazy

[lusty grotto]

the tributes helped

[round cliff]

went w/ less sanity drain?

[lusty grotto]

those unlock automatically

you can see them in the lobby, before you talk to Wrathion to start

[round cliff]

yea i saw em

oh theres no specing u just have to get the first row all 3

ok

[lusty grotto]

yea

[polar patio]

I wonder if your name is supposed to tell me something

[nocturne spindle]

🙂

[frosty mango]

feelsgoodman

[grizzled orbit]

worth doing horrific visions? 😄

[idle copper]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/best-corruption-enchants-from-horrific-visions-for-all-classes-in-the-war-within-376946

[grizzled orbit]

doing as prot viable?

[idle copper]

Yep

[grizzled orbit]

so, im to lazy looking it up. I need to clear the whole purple side?

[idle copper]

First time I've done them, you get stronger for each zone you unlock.

Unlock drawf zone first then do all individually (or at least unlock a different one each time) then do them all together.

Male sure to keep handing in the quest to level up your Horrific tree

[grizzled orbit]

for the "enchants" do i have to farm this alot?

[idle copper]

Yep but you won't be able to do all at once initially

Took me about 2 hours with out any clue what I was doing. Lot of fumbling around

Each zone has a different task to do

Each time you zone in you'll have a different potion to avoid

The potion to avoid isn't there initially but as you progress the one to avoid is in the front right corner.

Say it's black, that means you can have all other potions but avoid black

There's like 5-6 different colours potions , the colour to avoid after you've progressed a bit will always be in the front right corner

[grizzled orbit]

is there a timing?

[idle copper]

Kinda

You loss sanity on a timer and on standing in stuff and frontals

[grizzled orbit]

gonna try prot. so dwarf -> south and rest

[idle copper]

But you gain extra sanity as you progress

You also get X3 golden gloves to drop which takes you back to full sanity

And one of the colour potions increases your sanity a little

You gain sanity I the talent tree and also gain how slowly you lose it

You get the option of a Bran type mob to help you if you are soloing

Do take the help it makes it harder

[grizzled orbit]

i need to kill windrunner direckly when i enter?

[idle copper]

Drawfs easiest zone, clock the all golden things, blow the bomb, kill the boss

[idle copper]

Nope

Or not that I know anyways

You can mount up and ride to drawf zone, mobs will follow you

Most mobs die in one hit (initially) elites take 2-3 seconds

Boss 2-5 seconds

[grizzled orbit]

cool,, how many times do i need to do this to get the enchant

[idle copper]

But they get stronger and you'll have more masks eventually

Not sure, as I had a lot of failed runs initially
If you know what your doing people can probably do it in an hour or so took me a couple of hours

Lesser e chant anyways

Pretty sure greater is gated atm

[grizzled orbit]

how do i get more sanity?

[idle copper]

Basically unlock each zone, handing in quest and using talent tree

[grizzled orbit]

then sanity reset?

[odd crown]

Does it honestly matter what helm enchant i get? i didnt see a him buy im guessing there close

[crude notch]

No it doesn't matter, buy what makes you happy

If shooting void energy beams out your bum is your pique then buy that.

[manic mural]

echoing void only did 0.7% of my dmg in my key. was expecting a bit more tbh. pretty lack luster

[idle copper]

The stats one is seemingly simming better if you are more than adequately geared. The other ones can be stronger if you ilvl is lower

[void girder]

twilight did 1.4% in a priory 12

[odd crown]

im 630 xD Tdev it is lol

[grizzled orbit]

do we have any weak aura or addon that shows posions area

[void girder]

im 676

[idle copper]

Each time you zone in you have new sanity

When you eventually get the golden globe things each one fills you back up to full just need to stand in it for a few seconds
One of the coloured potions will top you up a little

[void girder]

pull mobs into it to kill them as well

[idle copper]

Certain mob ability and frontals will zap you sanity quickly

[grizzled orbit]

so witch posion is bad? 😛

[idle copper]

Handynotes possibly

[idle copper]

When they start appearing it's always whatever colour if front right (about 100m) when zone in

There will be a glow'ie note next to it

In the corner

They werent there for me initially
Was a bit frustrating as guide say thats where it is but guides don't say it's not there initially

[grizzled orbit]

yeah cant see them at all

[rough nest]

geegee 😄

[random cedar]

How much better is a crafted shield vs a crafted ring? Currently using Titan of industry vs Cyrces circlet...

[grizzled orbit]

my sanity getting low fast 😛

[idle copper]

They are not there initially , not sure at what point or what unlocks them. Seemed like 4-5 runs in for me

[idle copper]

Don't stand in stuff.
It'll get better after you first initial kill of each zones boss.
It'll get better as you put points in talent tree
Getting the golden globe things helps massively, again not sure what unlocks them but you get them relatively early

[rough nest]

Most helpful thing is elite extermination, but it's a bit of a farm

[idle copper]

It's the ilvl that's important for the shield

[idle copper]

Don't hold me to it but pretty sure wowhead says 665 heroe starts beating circlet - you'll be able to SIM the ring (not the shield though)

[sick sentinel]

yo what should i get with my dinar

[polar patio]

Int Item

[idle copper]

Best in slot gear recommendations including trinkets and weapons for your Protection Paladin in Mythic+ Dungeons and the Liberation of Undermine Raid - Updated for The War Within

There is a quick summary about half way down. Your milage will vary depending on what you already have

If you've unlocked all 12s you'll have access to some mythic level gear

[sick sentinel]

thank you brother

[polar patio]

That is Prot Pally

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

here is for warrior

[idle copper]

My bad 😬

[polar patio]

its literally the same

except class color

q:^)

does block, is not vdh

so same

[idle copper]

Edited it 😁

[polar patio]

atta boy

So, im curious. Anyone here actually feeling good about the ApM reduction for Prot Warrior?

[sick sentinel]

thanks, just clocked aswell

[ionic fern]

No. But it's not too noticeable.

[grizzled orbit]

so when do u get greater enchant?

[polar patio]

Next week likely

[polar patio]

I do think it is, since you cant spam brainlessly in Colossus compared to Mountain Thane which forces even mroe reduction of apm

Also anyone can explain how the internal time for rage gen for blocking works?

[ionic fern]

You couldn't spam brainlessly as Colossus previously either compared to MT.

[ionic fern]

The what?

[jagged pier]

[sweet summit]

you get rage from blocking?!

[grizzled orbit]

dunno if im pressing right buttons 😛 650ilvl 1.5m overal

[polar patio]

Maybe im tripping but i thought i read that like recently as in past 2 days somewhere.

nvm i found it

i misread

sorry for the heartattacks

[keen vine]

your probably talking about this

witch is 3 rage when attacked with a one second cd

[polar patio]

Yes

exactly what i meant, and also misread

but in this case, wouldnt parry and dodge be counterintuitive if ragemanagement is a more refined necessity

[sweet summit]

if you're fighting a single mob with very slow swing timer then I guess yeah but especially in m+ you will be getting hit from a large amount of mobs all the time so no not really

[polar patio]

the amount of mobs doesnt matter too much due to internal cd right? just swing timer vs internal cd

obv its easier to time the cd better if there is more instances of potential hits

[sweet summit]

nah still 3 rage per sec regardless, but if two mobs hit you and you parry one you still get rage from getting hit by the 2nd mob is what i mean

[polar patio]

Yeah yeah

3% ressource does seem fine as a gain per Second but seems still bit too low if every button costs min 15%/20%

like imagine arcane mage being told you gain 3% mana per missile hit but you spend 20% per Blast cast

[sweet summit]

it's quite minimal, like the last thing i'd think about optimising

just take the free rage and allocate brainpower elsewhere

[exotic summit]

what corruption to go for?

void ritual it is then cant go wrong with stat stick

[grizzled orbit]

i wonder if i can handle +12s at 650ilvl

[wispy moth]

Try it

You can't know if you don't try

[next pasture]

odd place to ask but anyone know if pick me up can cause rogues to exit stealth? like the zap? i think it’s been happening with a rogue i play with and we can’t figure out if it’s the irradiating damage effect from the trinket

[idle copper]

You'll likely have more of a chance with a Disc healer possibly

[patent scroll]

I did my first 11s with that ilvl a few weeks back with like half a reset of playtime, I'm sure you'll manage

[dense hill]

Where do y'all tank Stix mythic in the room, near a wall, away from a wall, or in the middle.

Guild can't make up their minds and I hate my life

[wild chasm]

He should be running in circles to be fair

[rancid tiger]

Y

Where ever its clean

[wild chasm]

And move him away a bit if you see a bomb near him, so stupid people dont roll into boss, can hit the bomb

[dense hill]

I'm doing all balls, so I'm gathering info for my co-tank cause I feel like I come back and there is just fire everywhere, and no clear path for him to move so I taunt and heroic leap over to wherever if clear, but yeah. Maybe I just need to yell at rollers to soak more trash because it feels like they're doing a minimal job

[ionic fern]

Easily if you know the class/dungeon.

[wild chasm]

If there is a lot of fire that’s on people, the boss himself only puts on fire like 3 trash piles, people should spread with circles and dont go near trash

Watch a pov of a kill from some guild and send it over to the co-tank

[rancid tiger]

Ideally ppl clean a lot of trash b4 going into boss

[wild chasm]

A lot yes, all no. It stays for the next phase so it’s easier for your ball to get big

[rancid tiger]

Nah we cleared all

Way cleaber

• if all is gone he aint set no fires

[wild chasm]

The fires right now dont do much with all the buffs and shit

[rancid tiger]

True, but at least cleaning the spot u want to move boss to is nice

[dense hill]

That was kinda my suggestion. Whomever gets assigned the next clockwise area from where we are, just extra hard focus on clearing all trash

[rancid tiger]

But if ppl can play super unness, my guild is bad. So clearing more was bettrr

Esp coz going into boss early was always more risky to hit a crabbomb

80% of our whipes were ppl being to fast and stressed

As u can live a crab going off here and there

[solid sun]

Happy Thursday. Moving closer to the weekend!

[left meteor]

That should always be you

[dense hill]

When you learn you've been suggesting the correct strat from the begining and no one listens

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-4372156584801469333

[left meteor]

And fwiw you don't really want to clear the rest of the area other than that in particular, you want as many new medium spawns in the area where the tank clears as possible

Bombshells ideally spawn close to boss and they only spawn on newly spawned medium piles

[left meteor]

The common WA packs should be doing that assignment by default

[solid sun]

Speaking of WA packs, saw some posts on the two wow subreddits about an interview with Ion that says in the future you won’t be able to track other people’s CDs and see incoming healing or smth like that

Saw a lot of concern in the comments

[left meteor]

Their endgoal is to remove access to the combat log from addons

That's basically the same as killing most relevant combat addons

[rancid tiger]

I like current system oh well adapt and win

[warm plinth]

That's basically the same as killing the game

Fixed that for ya 😉

[tribal wharf]

new doom game is dog shit

but mostly thats cuz my save file out right corrupted, on final battle, can't even load it on xbox, so i have to do entire campagin over for a chance that it doesnt fuck up again and corrupt again

soon as i go to fight the devil, crashes, map name literal final battle, and then i cant load into that map period, just crashes

and it crashes randomly after 10 minutes if i have new drivers but does weird shit on old drivers too

levels are badly designed, the lay ou t

[frosty mango]

I can’t even load it before it crashes so you’re doing better than me

Standard Bethesda experience

[patent scroll]

Well yeah, you bought a bethesda game

Are you surprised

[tribal wharf]

no i game passed it lol

what i said years ago is true

i hear the slightest negative thing about (game, most likely) that sounds credible, and im probably already out

1 easily indentifiied problem indicative of other smaller problems yet to be revealed

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto

@sharp gale

[sharp gale]

Gggggggg

[lusty grotto]

gz!!!

[sharp gale]

I have a long way to go

[lusty grotto]

soon (TM)

[sharp gale]

I don’t understand what we are doing on the last gaols but they are waiting luck

[jagged pier]

What strat did u use? Were u shkipping?

[sharp gale]

When did he die ? Right After the jails ?

[dusky canopy]

We did full Zug (4heal still)
skipped the 2nd ice boots in p1
Lust intermission
Killed right after 4 cages set while kiting mines

Technically we lost everyone who got ice boots in p2 at the end but enough survived to squeeze out 100m hp

[sharp gale]

Okok, like me but we just stop dps for finger gun, how you do the mines after intermission and the gaols assignments ?

[dusky canopy]

We just said screw finger gun because you can heal through the adds

Pushed before the second ice boots in p1

P2 cages we did normally

Everyone assigned go do them, come out and then kill boss

[sharp gale]

Okok

I hope he will die today, the 2 last thing of the fight (1st p2 mines and gaols) are weird

[dusky canopy]

Yeah the mines always give us problems because people don’t soak

It’s literally just do the soaks

[sharp gale]

More the mines bc we are weird on goals bc ppl die

[sharp gale]

They die with 0 soak failed

And I think healer issue is the answer

But scared to say it

[dusky canopy]

Cages it just took 4 people who were aware to get them and then we won the same pull

Our main healer is obsessive with his out put so we’re usually turbo safe during damage events

He hyper optimizes healing for all the healers

I guess that’s kinda normal I just wasn’t used to seeing that at the lower* guild ranks I’ve been in lol

[sharp gale]

Yeah mine it’s 4 individuals, so it is a lil bad

[dusky canopy]

I mean bro it’s to the point where he will cancel aura the disc priests shield because he’s intentionally standing in fire to pad heal himself

Guys wicked good

Without a doubt climbing rank if he wanted too lol

They have argued about this mid raid lmao

[sharp gale]

Fire is free hps on mug tbf, it doesn’t do enough dmg

[dusky canopy]

That’s fair yeah lol

[dusky canopy]

Anyway, it shouldn’t be that threatening as long as people don’t miss soaks

We actually would miss a soak and they would heal us through it

2 misses at the same time was basically GG though

[sharp gale]

I think we just die from the absorb, anyway, I pray this night we will have the magic pull

[dusky canopy]

You got this!

[patent scroll]

It might be tanks popping the mines in 2 seconds, but if it's not that then it absolutely is a healing problem

The only parts on Mug where you absolutely must assign healing CDs are the mines

[sharp gale]

Ofc we have a mrt note, but just these specific mines are the issue, I think he pops each too soon maybe or just healer L

[patent scroll]

You can just use a WA as the tank to see how many stacks the raid has so you can kinda space them

[sharp gale]

Im so focused on soaking on this timing idk

[patent scroll]

Doesn't really work if your bubble is going out in a second, but at least lets you get an idea of how fast the stacks are gone

[sharp gale]

I will enable it this night and see, how many is too much ?

(Im dps in raid now)

[patent scroll]

One mine is one stack, so 20 on the raid

Basically if the raid has 30+ stacks the tank should wait a split second or the healers need to go to settings and enable hands

[frosty mango]

What’s your healing comp?

[sharp gale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/guild/progress/153354?zone=42

[sharp gale]

Disc hpriest, 2 sham

[frosty mango]

So you are prob suffering a bit from double sham

[sharp gale]

We suffer from the disc ^^

[patent scroll]

Yeah uh, yeah

Disc can basically solo two of the mine sets, but maybe not that disc

[frosty mango]

I think prob less so than you think

[sharp gale]

I meant bc he is the worst healer of the 4

[frosty mango]

Your disc isn’t ramping properly but that may not be an issue for him

If you aren’t planning the encounter healing around his ramp and burst he’s gonna look bad

Your shamans are just full sending which is likely driving a lot of overheal on his part

Double shaman also suffers a lot on wide heavy damage events because chain heal is poop at spread

If you replaced one of those shams with a monk and set up cooldowns so that your priest was soloing two mine sets, you’d probably have a better time overall

Your shamans hps is gonna go down tho

Without like really digging into all of your attempts it’s hard to say for sure but I wouldn’t write off your disc until you make sure you’re actually letting him utilize his burst right

[sharp gale]

We can’t replace our healers

maybe I will but next tier

[lusty grotto]

no one can at this point lol

[frosty mango]

If you enjoy not healing don’t ever go healer

Once they get the hooks in they’ll never let you go back

[desert knoll]

4 dps?)

[tribal wharf]

i wont go healer again since cuz of vanilla paladin

[frosty mango]

3 dps because two of them are only doing half

[tribal wharf]

felt like giant FU, 3 specs, only healer is any close to good

the tank spec in vanilla is actively bad

[sharp gale]

You don’t know if you like a spec before playing it in real content, and I got out of tank jail, I can evade any prison

[frosty mango]

Vanilla healing was terrible, retail healing is infinitely better

Like there’s no comparison

[desert knoll]

Tank 🥲

[tribal wharf]

i avoid this issue by playing characters that dont have healing spec trees or only healing spec trees

[patent scroll]

Actually the issue is probably too fast pops, at least compared to even our farm kills

Like popping all mines within 6 seconds is kinda fucking stupid

Unless you have absolutely unethical healing output going out

[frosty mango]

That’s what I was saying with two shams, chain heal isnt great at spread so there’s a high chance someone will die

Even if output is high

[sharp gale]

Thx, I will delve into that this night

[patent scroll]

Like we take 8-12 seconds for the mine sets, and it's on farm

[frosty mango]

Last tier when we had two shams I played lightweaver flash as holy and literally just triaged the entire back half of myth

[patent scroll]

Doing them all in half that with a less bursty comp sounds miserable

[frosty mango]

I did negative hps but we had far less deaths

Giga hps = \ = good hps

When you do your effective healing is far more important than how much

[sharp gale]

That’s how I view it, if only 1 damage event is important, only effective heal on that is important

[frosty mango]

Of course you can solve all of your problems like I did - just deciding to be an omega casual and not doing CE

10/10 would recommend

I might see 5 mythic this tier and I’m here for it

[sharp gale]

I play for the raid, so I’ll unsub when I’m done with mythic raiding

[frosty mango]

After ovinaxx and twins last tier I just couldn’t

[patent scroll]

And just to post the data, here are your pops, you can change the pull if you want but they're roughly the same https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JtkFRYhNzAMxm2qa?fight=46&type=damage&translate=true&hostility=1&ability=469061&view=events
Heres ours https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ftXVFPmkBpNK1AvL?fight=16&type=damage-taken&ability=469061&view=events

[sharp gale]

On this, it’s the pop of dopée which is too early ?

[patent scroll]

It's basically every set that's too quick in general

Like if you take two mines with a second in between, and a third in 1.7 seconds after that, your healers literally have not had the globals to properly heal it off

You should keep the cadence to about 2 seconds unless you trust in the healers

And yeah extra soaks from players not assigned to them is not something you can control, but that's progress

[sharp gale]

Yeah ofc I exclude the warlock walking into them

But maybe it is the reason it rains soaks in few seconds

[frosty mango]

Having your raid collapse during these events would also be massively helpful for you

3 of your four healers require proximity to get burst healing out

Doesn’t need to be like pixel stack but like consolidated area

[lusty grotto]

you're a consolidated area

[sharp gale]

You did 5 masks ?

[frosty mango]

I’m the size of two men, consolidated is never a word that’s been used to describe me before

I’ll take the w

[lusty grotto]

dont matter, still right

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/mickey-mouse-tailor-giant-brave-little-tailor-yawn-gif-25269068

Actual pic of me

Sandals and all

Fresh af

[round pendant]

"Tracking of group abilities will no longer function in add-ons after the changes, so things like other players' cooldowns won't be visible, he said."

Am I allowed to doom yet

[lusty grotto]

as long as its not sandals with socks on, ill allow it

[frosty mango]

Birkenstocks and knee-highs

[frosty mango]

No

[lusty grotto]

sir...

[frosty mango]

I don’t get how they can break that functionality without breaking the combat log

[maiden jungle]

thanks mate

[sharp gale]

Talking about ion ? Maybe the « addons will not be able to read the combat log » is more dooming

[round pendant]

That's the neat part, they'll make addons unable to read the combat log in real time

[frosty mango]

Because it would be simple enough to look at spell cast events and derive shit to do it

[round pendant]

They'll probably also disable the addon chat channel

[frosty mango]

If they do this people will just go the FFXIV route

[round pendant]

so addons can't communicate between players

[frosty mango]

They can’t put the cat back in the bag

[round pendant]

Nice so we solve nothing and just make it so everyone has to download even more third party clients

[lusty grotto]

they arent doing those: 1. anytime soon, and 2. without a suitable replacement

so 🤷‍♂️

[frosty mango]

But imo no doom needed because they would never do it without adding that capability in some other way

[sharp gale]

Yes so in next decade

[frosty mango]

It’s an interesting subtext though in their design process, like it’s clear after shit like ovinaxx they don’t want to design fights around addons

[round pendant]

So they simply shouldn't

[frosty mango]

So their response seems to be break all the addons then simplify fight design which on paper makes sense but in reality I’m not so sure

[round pendant]

Half of the egregious examples of needing a WA for a boss mechanic is because of them designing around WAs existing and trying to make things more and more complex

They're literally doing it to themselves

[sharp gale]

More Gallywix and less ovinax

[lusty grotto]

did you forget there were raid WAs before private auras?

cause thats not true at all yam

[frosty mango]

Raiding isn’t fun without challenge. Addons trivialize challenge. Fights get designed to be more challenging. Addons get designed to deal with more complex challenges.

Ultimately we end up with fights like ovinaxx and also performance optimization issues due to the ever increasing compute consumption of auras and addons.

It’s an impossible problem for them to solve really, at least without pissing people off

[sharp gale]

Tbf I don’t mind addon bosses bc of the addon, but bc it breaks sometime for 1 dude etc

[frosty mango]

Yea but getting 20 people to get their addons set up right is torturous

Not to mention the performance hit

[sharp gale]

They could keep those boss design, with a way to do the compute assignements, ingame

[round pendant]

I'm really curious the number of players who do mythic raiding vs the rest of the player base

also I don't really have faith that blizzard will implement replacement functionality very well

[frosty mango]

IMO there’s no good solution. Our understanding of lua has vastly improved and addons have gone from like simple things to entire applications with tens of thousands of lines of code. I don’t envy blizz in this. Imo they’ve done a good job keeping up with it

[round pendant]

And even if they do, if it needs something additional and they've stripped addons of their functionality

you're just stuck with a worse option

[patent scroll]

Yeah probably a good point, didn't even start to look at positioning because WCL on mobile is fucking garbage enough as is

[sharp gale]

Very very low, since heroic end bosses is also low

[frosty mango]

It’s obvious they want to kill weakauras

[lusty grotto]

i welcome the philosophy

[sharp gale]

It’s obvious they want to embrace weakauras

[round pendant]

The good thing about addons is if you want something changed you can just change it

[lusty grotto]

it will take a lot of iterations to get it right, but its the right move

[round pendant]

like is my ironfur bar tracker gonna get bricked and I'll never be able to have that again?

because that relies on the combat log

despair

[frosty mango]

I agree with that take

It’s clearly grown out of control, no one can argue that it hasn’t

Doesn’t mean I won’t complain about their implementation

Because I will

[patent scroll]

You should

[lusty grotto]

you know they started working on this way before the max and dratnos interview right?

[sharp gale]

The combat log thing will be at the end, so you can imagine you can customize your iron fur bar before that event

[lusty grotto]

telegraph visibility is a huge part of it

[patent scroll]

I agree with the idea as well, but I also think that them "releasing" the CD manager in the state that they did does not bode well

[lusty grotto]

it wouldnt make sense for them to release it in one go

it needs iterations

its not gonna be on a random patch

[patent scroll]

Yeah, sure

[lusty grotto]

theyll do it piece by piece

[patent scroll]

But that thing is basically unusable as is

[lusty grotto]

starting with the swirly change this season

what is?

[round pendant]

They literally have a perfect example in all of the UIs that players use and somehow managed to match none of them in functionality

[patent scroll]

The CD manager, as the example

[sharp gale]

I use it on rdruid but it does lack many thing (my cast bar or my mana/energy)

[round pendant]

How fucking hard is it for them to just

[lusty grotto]

the cd manager can get updated

[round pendant]

give you the option of tracking resources with bars and select which icons you want to show

lmao

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt mean its in its final state and there will be 0 changes to it

thats literally the opposite of iterating

[round pendant]

Yeah well you see the issue already nim is that it's unusable right NOW and will continue to be for months and months

[sharp gale]

I use it

[round pendant]

So any time something isn't quite up to scratch after they delete addons, this will be the case except you're fucked

[lusty grotto]

they wont delete addons in one patch

they're not gonna leave the cd manager as is

they've continuously made upgrades to the UI redesign in DF

[round pendant]

Do you think they're gonna just get a perfect UI working before they disable most addon functionality?

[sharp gale]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

i would think so, provided they take in feedback for whats needed

and so far theyve done a decent job of th at

[undone beacon]

I think they know that killing addon functionality without having a solid replacement will literally hamstring the game

[sharp gale]

Because if they don’t have a good ui, they will change their mind and never disable addons functionality

[lusty grotto]

it would kill the game

[round pendant]

There's tons of things in the game that are already not exposed other than via addons or cvars (for example, UI scaling is limited for no reason). I have ZERO faith the end-result is some god tier UI with all the customisability you can ever need

They're gonna have random shit just be arbitrarily not changeable

[undone beacon]

I don't think it would outright kill the game, we underestimate how many casual andys are out there

[round pendant]

As it has always been

[undone beacon]

But thats beside the point

[sharp gale]

DF made me uninstall elvui, so it’s a first step

[lusty grotto]

fair

[round pendant]

The thing is it's not gonna be "perfect and adjustable to match anybody's use-case"

it's gonna be "good enough"

and then addons are blocked and we're all stuck with "good enough" and it'll never get changed or improved again, at least not in a reasonable time frame

that's my take

[sharp gale]

Ppl copy paste luxthos WA and never change it bc it’s good enough, ppl don’t’ care

[strong forum]

Wonder how many people will quit because of it

Cuz I very much think I ain't coming back

[sharp gale]

So you just need to be able to do similar things as those packs, and you get 80-90% of ppl using them stop using them

[patent scroll]

But you see, that's only part of it

[lusty grotto]

yeah this topic is heavily multi layered

and obviously blizzard has shown they know that

[round pendant]

Anyone remember how they removed like a bunch of customisability options from the menu and now you need advanced interface options (addon) to get those options back (or know the cvars)

[patent scroll]

If the idea is to basically block CD tracking and stuff outside of the Blizzard things, that would literally kill the other 10% that doesn't get what they want from the blizzard offer

[sharp gale]

Blizzard want $$$ and their player pop is aging, new players will never be on the quitters bc that, since they will never know what it was to have them

[patent scroll]

And I do fear that they're going to do just that, release it in the good enough state and then in the usual blizzard fashion completely abandon the project for expansions

[frosty mango]

It’s not really weakauras etc that will ultimately suffer

Yes it would be rough but I think the game breaker for most people would be things like plater and cell

[lusty grotto]

thats actually a good point happy

[frosty mango]

If you break those things, then there would be major playerbase revolt

[lusty grotto]

plater is a big one for me at least

i fucking absolutely hate the default nameplates

[frosty mango]

The base unit frames are objectively terrible and base nameplates are even worse

[undone beacon]

if they murder plater i will murder myself

[sharp gale]

The main reason of all this is new players obviously not QoL or high end

[frosty mango]

I could live with no weakauras but if they broke the ability to track things on plater and/or frames by restricting channels that would be majorly problematic for a huge part of the playerbase. Even casual folks

[round pendant]

It's definitely how it's going to go

[frosty mango]

Outside of those two things I don’t think really it will matter much, they’ll implement a decent enough solution

[round pendant]

They couldn't even just wait til their CD manager had feature parity with even a basic wa pack

before releasing it

now we wait months to get updates to it

[lusty grotto]

blizzard did a u turn only recently

as in: DF

so its normal to think they will be old blizzard and release voice comms that nobody ever uses, for example

and its normal to think they wont support things after the fact

but the UI they have been supporting

there's changes every patch

[sharp gale]

And I hate taking hours to set plater tracking, so Blizzard can easily convince me to drop this addon

[patent scroll]

Twitter integration patch, never forget

[lusty grotto]

whereas the cd thing has parity or not doesnt matter, because its not mandatory

[frosty mango]

In game selfies bro, what more could you ask for

[lusty grotto]

and they will continue to iterate on it

[round pendant]

It does matter imo because it shows how aware they are of what people actually want

[lusty grotto]

thats the way its gonna go

[round pendant]

It's really not rocket science to implement either

[lusty grotto]

you've made up your mind on a version 1.0

thats what youre saying

[round pendant]

No I haven't made up my mind I've just been saying it doesn't bode well

[lusty grotto]

thats just how its gonna be for you, while ignoring any improvements

[round pendant]

for when they decide to disable addon functionality

They can improve it, and I'll be like "yeah that's good"

But how long until it's up to standard?

[lusty grotto]

the absolute best they can do is when it meets the requirements of beating content

all content

because that line is very subjective

[sharp gale]

I think you are too focused on them removing addons / something that will take years

[lusty grotto]

if their iterations yielded something usable within mythic raiding or high keys, it'll work for everyone else, its ready, usable and gives you the information the player needs

maybe its less information, but maybe content will be designed witht that in mind

maybe its more information, but maybe content will become more compelx

who knows

[sharp gale]

You will have a world with the 2 system side by side for 2 expansions at least

[lusty grotto]

right, happy

[round pendant]

I mean why is he talking about disabling combat log hooks now then

He said it's not happening in 11.2 but I wouldn't be surprised if they just send it in midnight

[lusty grotto]

probably cause he got asked directly about it

[round pendant]

I just have very little faith in blizz

[lusty grotto]

but idk, i havent read that interview

[sharp gale]

Idk which one it is

In Max/Drat he says at the end or smth like that

[round pendant]

pcgamer

Anyway my point isn't that I don't think blizzard could EVENTUALLY add everything needed

[solid sun]

Did I miss some news

I’ve been in meetings all morning

[round pendant]

I just simply don't like that they release shit half-baked and say "good enough since WAs still exist" and then work on the next thing

instead of just COOKING

[sharp gale]

No

[round pendant]

and I have zero faith everything will be in a perfect spot BEFORE they disable crucial addon functionality

[undone beacon]

yeah they're on their way to your house to uninstall your addons as we speak, be prepared. Be strong

[sharp gale]

We recycle news Rhino

[solid sun]

lol

[round pendant]

And all of this is primarily to cater to their mythic boss design

content I will never touch ever again

[lusty grotto]

thats not why they are primarily doing it

[solid sun]

I saw nome say he very likely wouldn’t come back if something happens so I was concerned

[lusty grotto]

at all

[sharp gale]

it is to make mythic content touchable

[undone beacon]

uwu?

[round pendant]

wdym, they explicitly stated they want to reign in addons because they're too powerful in raids

[lusty grotto]

its part of the philosophy

[round pendant]

and force them to make raids more complex

[lusty grotto]

there's a lot behind it moreso than fight design

[sharp gale]

How does that give Blizzard $$$

[solid sun]

My understanding is that they recognize the base game doesn’t provide enough information and having to install a bunch of third party stuff is bad for new players and players who want to dive into more difficult content

[lusty grotto]

thats another part of it

[round pendant]

Yeah I mean the base ui is atrocious

[lusty grotto]

its multi-layered like i mentioned earlier

[round pendant]

But NERFING addons is entirely because of the reason I mentioned

[lusty grotto]

happy also had a point

[undone beacon]

Raids more accessible = More players raiding = More retention yeah?

All about retention, and addons and out of game things drive andys away

[lusty grotto]

that wont automatically make raids more accessible

[sharp gale]

Wow doesn’t need retention

[round pendant]

fwiw this is just my personal opinion part of it

I simply don't care about mythic raid so it feelsbad if they nerf my addons I use for content I do enjoy (m+)

[sharp gale]

Wow wants new injections of players

[solid sun]

What was Happy’s point

[undone beacon]

oh im not saying it will, im just trying to figure out the thought process

[round pendant]

like tracking other player's cooldowns

[lusty grotto]

did you guys think the swirly change was good?

how many people STILL get hit by them

thats the direction they want to move in

make it visible

but that doesnt mean it's going to be automatically easy

[undone beacon]

Injections of new players dont mean long-term growth tho, yeah? Its a sub-based game, people who dip after 2 months arent bringin in bucks

[sharp gale]

Use money incentives when a company take decision

[solid sun]

What’s that mean

[round pendant]

I respect adding functionality to the base UI and improving telegraphy

It's just this one side of it I don't trust blizzard with at all

[sharp gale]

If you want to understand some reasons on why Blizzard do something, just remind yourself that it’s a company

[round pendant]

ion stating they're specifically going to disable tracking other peoples CDs (includes kicks) is mind boggling though

because there is NO reason to do that

EVER

[sharp gale]

You know we are turbo boosting now ?

[solid sun]

If you can’t see if someone else has a cd available easily, it will help insulate them from shit talking when the tank dies because the priest didn’t use pain suppression

[sharp gale]

Blizzard cares about all the money, not just « most of the money »

[round pendant]

The only way disabling kick tracking works is if they make kicks less important

and CD tracking I can't think of a reason other than what Rhino said

which I'm not gonna comment on

[undone beacon]

Yeah, but turbo-boost is a retention measure in my mind

People who are burnt out and geared out have an incentive to come back for a least a short time for the dopamine of bigger numbie

[round pendant]

turbo-boost did the opposite for my motivation

[solid sun]

I think one of the skills that is greatly missing in the wow community is networking

[round pendant]

actually I will comment

[round pendant]

"you don't pay my sub" mentality

[undone beacon]

Setting up my wow VLANs is very difficult

[solid sun]

Hopping in discord together to crush some m+ circumvents not seeing peoples kicks and CDs

Because you can talk

[sharp gale]

It’s not wow community, game community changed, multiplayers games are solo or near solo games now

[undone beacon]

Thats very true, yeah

Its a very different landscape than it used to be

[round pendant]

Making changes to avoid the potential of people getting flamed for not pressing CDs (this rarely happens in content where it matters)

all it does is fuck over tanks and healers

[undone beacon]

Speaking of networking, discord, and in-game functions, does anyone use the in-game voice channels? Like actually?

[solid sun]

I do not

I never use voice chat in any game

[lusty grotto]

yeah but that was a thing that got put in cata

so Old Blizz

why would you put money into developing for it

at this point

[frosty mango]

I had to stop rolling alts because I ran out of ip space

[frosty mango]

I used it like a few weeks ago in a Ragnaros pug

It wasn’t….terrible

[round pendant]

I mean don't get me started on everyone being reliant on discord

[solid sun]

I think you actually hate everything

[sharp gale]

We did on sprocket bc discord didn’t work for 1 hour or 2

[solid sun]

:(

[round pendant]

lmao

I don't!

I like things!

[lusty grotto]

scratch that, voice chat was put in TBC

[sharp gale]

Blizzard should connect everyone on voice in m+

[round cliff]

wow should have proximity chat enabled by default

[undone beacon]

name one thing you like, now 🔫

[round pendant]

now you've put me on the spot

[lusty grotto]

ngl i love me some ole good prox chat

[sharp gale]

Now you give me reasons to go to goldshire

[undone beacon]

called out, mods give them the "hater" role

[sharp gale]

Why you are sub to WoW = what it is the best at for you

[round pendant]

I sub to wow to play with my friends and I enjoy M+

[sharp gale]

(Addiction is an answer)

[round pendant]

Genuinely think blizz struck gold with m+

[jagged pier]

Yam u can just say your addicted its okay

[undone beacon]

Yam likes being addicted

[round pendant]

is logging on 1-2 times a week for a few hours of m+ considered addiction?

[jagged pier]

U also talk about the game none stop in discord

[undone beacon]

this is the tell

[sharp gale]

Yes m+ is more arcade - similar to a LoL game, 20-30 min, I get why it’s a gold mine

[round pendant]

I have like 16k messages in here over.. almost 10 years?

granted most of those started at some point in DF

since I left between 2017 or so and df

I yap in lots of discords as I have nothing better to do sometimes

I can stop at any point!!!

[round pendant]

Yeah I mean I wouldn't be playing if it didn't exist

[solid sun]

I love most aspects of wow. Best game of all time

[round pendant]

I have the smallest mog and mount collection out of everyone I know too

[round cliff]

because im either justifiably or unjustifiably biased against ffxiv

[round pendant]

all bias against ffxiv is justified

[urban portal]

M+ also doesnt require 20 people

[solid sun]

Because, like everything else, you hate 14? ;)

[round cliff]

its annoying because i have friends who play ffxiv but no friends who play wow

other than my guild ofc

[lusty grotto]

you do what you like

i like xiv though

[dusky canopy]

I know I’m addicted because if I can’t play the game I talk about the game in discord channels

[lusty grotto]

its perfectly acceptable not to like it

[solid sun]

If there was a 10 person version of mythic raid that would slap so hard

[sharp gale]

I like ff14, but not for same reasons as wow

Both are goated games for me

[dusky canopy]

Shifting to 10 man mythic would be so nice

[round pendant]

Nah I really like ffxiv up until ShB, and I stopped playing as endwalker came out

[dusky canopy]

Less room for error with 10 man

Easier to schedule around

[round pendant]

This would make the game significantly better but it'd kill the RWF guilds

[dusky canopy]

They will make the encounters more complicated with 10 man

FYI

[lusty grotto]

yeah the main appeal of 10m is logistics

[sharp gale]

And the main barrier of mythic is logistics

[round pendant]

I'd get into it if it was 10m