protection

[frosty mango]

Tbf it does plenty of damage

Just not relative to colossus

Prob still outdps everything other than bdk as thane

[polar patio]

@lusty grotto tag https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1kqfrl7/advice_on_colossus_prot_warrior/

[lusty grotto]

yo

is there any particular log that you want us to look

what griffgalmore posted is pretty spot on, hes also on disc

also youre not using wall as much as you should

if youre the OP that is

if not, feel free to make a new thread in #1347646810457636974

[polar patio]

Nono im the op, just woke up.

[lusty grotto]

also im kind of interested in what feedback you got from here before if youre OP

and from whom

gotcha gotcha

[polar patio]

Dont remember honestly, but basically the common sense was more as if i posted to arenajunkies or something with a get used to it and good luck

[lusty grotto]

i see

[slender bison]

Dailcry fight on 14 does 1.9M damage per second only to the tank alone.

[tender pond]

Much respect for trying to learn, but please don't listen to that one guys advice trying to tell you to go bloodsurge in favor of ravager

[lusty grotto]

or any of the people there

[polar patio]

i tried it for 1 dungeon

[lusty grotto]

except for Griff

[polar patio]

was interesting but inconsistent

[round cliff]

omg its the man himself

hi

ur thread is famous

[polar patio]

Hi

Why though

[round cliff]

we were making fun of the replies

[tender pond]

the bad advice given to you made rounds

[lusty grotto]

yeah sorry someone linked it here cause apparently it felt like the channel gave you bad advice

and of course the replies

[polar patio]

Im fairly used to that.

😄

[solid sun]

Hi, Sense here. Are you looking for dungeon advice?

[lusty grotto]

i owe Rhino my life

let that be known

[solid sun]

Anyways welcome to the discy, Skappz. I'm sure you'll find some great helpers here to get you on track! :)

[polar patio]

Well, first i guess is that i just feel like Warrior feels off.

[lusty grotto]

whats your general gameplay loop

[solid sun]

Just gonna screenshot these messages nbd

[lusty grotto]

can you describe it?

[polar patio]

Charge -> Avatar -> SB -> Jump / Charge 2nd +3rd pack -> Clap / Chall / Shockwave

[lusty grotto]

i can go over logs but if you can tell us your approach, we can find some logs in your link that fit the bill

[polar patio]

If im Thinking about Floodgate 13

[round cliff]

shockwave?

[lusty grotto]

ok but what about your priority when things are in place

since you said proper rage management on your topic

[polar patio]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

and/or button pressing etc

[polar patio]

Clap / SS on CD, Revenge Proccs, revege > 80 Rage, IB if getting cuekd

to keep it simple

[lusty grotto]

ok on aoe

[polar patio]

Im not "new" new

[lusty grotto]

SS on cd, revenge while over 30 rage, you should have ravager down, the more you get hit the more you will parry and trigger Frothing Berserker for rage refunds.

[high aspen]

man reading those reddit comments lol

[lusty grotto]

Only TC when youre under 30 rage without SS up, and/or when you need to reapply rend

[tender pond]

ikr

[lusty grotto]

Only IP when youre over 70 rage, not when ouchies

[high aspen]

not even a prot player and those are some INSANE things to tell someone

[polar patio]

So ouchies is fine?

[lusty grotto]

the only exception to that is when you have bleeds

and/or any dot you cannot spell block

[tender pond]

if ouchies is physical melee attacks, ouchies is generally not that bad

[polar patio]

Okay what about ML 2nd Boss

[lusty grotto]

most of the killer bleeds this season are from single target figths (like Dailcry), and you will very likely not be spamming revenge there

[polar patio]

What do i do there to not get gigacucked

[lusty grotto]

your dps needs to kill the empowered add fast

you shouldnt get more than a few stacks

[polar patio]

3rd Boss

my bad

just woke up

[round cliff]

spell block

[lusty grotto]

whenever she moves

spell block

if spell block is not up, wall

keep SR on cd

[round cliff]

is it whenever she moves?

[lusty grotto]

she only attacks when youre able to move her

when she cannot be moved, she doesnt attack, its very predictable

[solid sun]

Her autos are magic instead of physical, so everytime she shoots you it doesn't feel great.

[tender pond]

everytime she doesnt cast dumb shit

[lusty grotto]

yeah pretty much

but a good rule of thumb is, if shes moving with you, shes also auto attacking you

spell block is huge there

so technically you shouldn't need to IP

and by that i mean, spam it

in BFA, we certainly did spam IP there lmao

there was no other choice

but Spell Block and Spell Reflect's Magic DR makes her pretty simple

we have a sheet thats pinned

that has spell reflectables, blockables, and spell blockables for just about any mob in relevant content

2nd to last pin by Sense

its always updated and you can see what you can manage with those specific cds, and whatever you cant you can just wall

dont be afraid to burn Walls, they have CDR, so use them

[high aspen]

insane

[polar patio]

Yeah, 30% Haste felt also a bitt whacky, since you get 100% Crit on 25% With Setr

[lusty grotto]

yeah your stats arent a problem at all

[high aspen]

ur haste is fine

[polar patio]

unless i misunderstood that too.

[high aspen]

stats are perfect

[tender pond]

the worst part is that this guy was so falsely confident in his comment yet he didnt even consider ITF

[polar patio]

Player just bad q:^)

[polar patio]

Well i tried to direct him towards that information

[high aspen]

you arent bad really

[polar patio]

Let me rephrase, not good enough for my own ambition.

[high aspen]

12s and 13s are better than most tanks

i see

[tender pond]

do you feel that squishy?

from pack to pack

[polar patio]

Actually yes

[solid sun]

I think relying too much on IP and holding onto Wall too much can def lead to that

Try to just follow Nimchip's advice there and you should notice some big differences in how you're feeling in keys

[tender pond]

A lot of prot defenses comes from facetanking and from our direct damage onto enemies

less about each press of ip

[polar patio]

Okay

I thought SW is basically for when you about to get gobsmacked to Narnia

like 1st Boss Flood Gate bonks

[nocturne spindle]

i mean yes

[polar patio]

stuff like that

[nocturne spindle]

but its up every like minute 30

or whatever

[solid sun]

We have two of them now

And with CDR, it's a big waste just sitting on them waiting for the Narnia launcher to come knocking

[tender pond]

ava too

[solid sun]

Kinda renders part of the toolkit useless

[high aspen]

tier set also randomly procs wall

lul

[polar patio]

i mean i got some logs for 13 Floodgate Attemps yesterday

[tender pond]

eh cant play around rng

[polar patio]

Cause we finished none of them

[high aspen]

yeah obv

[lusty grotto]

that only means you can get better

[high aspen]

just so many ways to have wall up now

[coarse latch]

The wowhead guide recommends leveling to 80 with Colossus, but just wondering all of your opinions on which tree I should do when I hit 80 and start with low-level M0 - m2.

This would be my first time tanking

[polar patio]

wouldnt be here if i didnt want to fix whatever im doing wrong.

[lusty grotto]

you def want to wall and spell block momma

[high aspen]

my latest dungeon i had 32% uptime on shieldwall across a 25m dungeon

[tender pond]

mountain thane is WAY more beginner friendly imho

[lusty grotto]

do you have any specific questions btw, im about to go to sleep cause im NA but i can open a thread for your logs if you dont know how to

ill tag griff if you want as well and maybe Luerce can chime in as well idk cause we're all NA basically

but there are a lot of EU people here that can help

[coarse latch]

Thanks!

[solid sun]

Now's as good a time as any to practice if you wanna Colossus

[polar patio]

Tahnsk il.ll look into it, starting work now too

ill let yoiu know if i need help further

[slender bison]

MT is not beginner friendly. All beginner warriors suffer from same issue: no rage and no SB uptime.

[lusty grotto]

ok if you open a thread in #1347646810457636974 tag me

ill tag the rest

if anyone gives you shit in here let me know also

[tender pond]

idk clap > ava > blast is pretty solid at generating threat and building rage

[lusty grotto]

there's always a chance people wont think youre serious, we do a lot of memeing in here

[tender pond]

helped me as a beginner

[lusty grotto]

im with Cluster, its not that MT is beginner friendly, its the fact that it has a bigger margin for error

since rage management isnt as new player unfriendly

[coarse latch]

I've been shield charging, clap, slam, to get shield block as fast as possible but yeah def not gonna be good at it, but trying to make sure I get it up quick

[lusty grotto]

leveling as colossus is fine, you get used to a lot of things along the way

careful with using SC that way

[slender bison]

The problem is that you can only kill Underpin ?? with Colossus

[coarse latch]

I've also just been questing as prot too to get used to it

[lusty grotto]

you wanna gap close with charge, not SC

[coarse latch]

Ohh what is sc for then?

[lusty grotto]

damage

SB uptime

rage intake

[tender pond]

sc is instant cast from any range so you can decide when to use it instead of forcing it as a gap closer

[lusty grotto]

its important for our tier set

[tender pond]

that too

[coarse latch]

Ohhhh I didn't realize that

Also, I completely forgot that I took the talent that just gives you an automatic shield block with it

So would you use it if you're in a situation when you're out of shield block?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[coarse latch]

That's pretty cool, it's kind of like you have three charges

[lusty grotto]

dont play into the fray as youre leveling though

play heavy rep

[coarse latch]

I don't quite know what you mean by that. Sorry

[lusty grotto]

you wont play ITF until you have 4pc and 16k+ haste rating

[coarse latch]

Ahhhhhhh ok

[lusty grotto]

on that node play heavy rep

until you get to the point i just mentioned

its extremely important for SB uptime

as you level, haste rating needs more to get to a specific percentage, so you will be losing haste

[coarse latch]

Which is 16k+?

[lusty grotto]

you play HR (heavy repercussions) until you get to max level, get 4pc tier set, and more than 16k haste rating

after you get those 3 things

you swap it with ITF (into the fray)

[coarse latch]

Okay, I screenshotted that to remind myself. I'll switch to HR tomorrow. Thank you for your help!

[lusty grotto]

np

[slender bison]

So uh ... FbV seems to be based in high density dungeons

[polar patio]

posted for log review, will wait and see how this pans out. Just noticed me using the Spear and TR Talents at the same time was just trying the spec and completly forgetting i had spear all dungeon. xD

[lusty grotto]

saw it, ill take a look in about 7-8 hours

depending on how busy my morning is

if Luerce chimes in, hes very good at reading logs

[polar patio]

you dont have to* stress it. Will likely not be able to play the next 7-8 anyway with work

perfect thanks.

[sharp gale]

you don't need to field test FbV to know how much it will heal, you know how much damage your deep wounds do

you just x1.1 deep wounds dps

and you have a talent in colossus tree that increase deep wounds damage btw, but it is a choice node with revenge damage

[runic granite]

So I’m new to prot warrior but damn this spec is a blast

Wrecking t11 delves in greens

Ok slowly wrecking but still

It’s got a nice flow to the abilities and it’s all very impactful feeling

[slender bison]

It's also as fast as VDH pace wise in dungeons due to warmachine, leap and charge

The only reason not to chain is if you have Assa rogue or resto shaman in group

[polar patio]

why resto?

[tender pond]

ever resto i played with kept telling me "yo chain more go more"

[polar patio]

yeah i play resto too (currently also doing 13s+) so i got curious. only thing i could imagine is healing rain placement, but thats on the resto end

[slender bison]

Resto has oom issues if group takes chunky avoidable damage

[jagged gust]

It's the spam chains that ooms a lot of shammies

[polar patio]

I think the issue here is the part where the damage was avoidable, because every healer will run oom if people dont do their job properly

[minor hinge]

Is there any good prot warrior on yt who is doing mythic+ content?

[jagged pier]

sense

[ionic nimbus]

Sense, Plka and yoda is doin pwar aswell

[next pasture]

so i copied a build from some high key pusher, like doing 18s, and i noticed he brings thunderlord, which i've been running for a week. why am i not bringing bolster instead of this? 2 min cd on last stand with 15 second shield wall seems... really good.. no?

[jagged gust]

I like mekes, they're a vibe

[jagged pier]

because we already have 100% blocked hits or close enough so having more is pointless

[next pasture]

i mean, i have to run mud and bombsuit in priory already, that's just one place i can think of it

maybe like priory/floodgate

you could get two last stands on dailcry with bolster.. and i don't feel like the 20% dr does anything for me

[jagged pier]

it does more than last stand

as last stand is bad, and u dont need the block

[next pasture]

you don't feel like you desync demolish with thunderlord?

[jagged pier]

but if u want to run it run it

all cds eventually desync

so get more up time of 20% DR with thunderlords

[next pasture]

yeah i mean, i almost feel like i'm tricking myself and 2 mins is actually super long, and i'm just used to shield wall being really low cd

[jagged pier]

probably

[next pasture]

okay, i'm an idiot

i thought it granted shield wall for its duration, lol

[sweet summit]

last stand rework when

[sharp gale]

The real use of bolster this patch is in raid to not die with 35% execute jug build

[ionic nimbus]

Bolster is a pretty dead Talent, there is no case for it since tww

Ok maybe some raidstuff kekw

[sharp gale]

But it’s just for the zug build

So niche raidstuff

[patent scroll]

Yeah, grabbing all the execute nodes leads to some funny shield block uptime

Also a funny run if you zone into M+ without checking talents

[sharp gale]

i did a top 10 with 0 shield block source for fun

I might try soon two handed keys

[unique gale]

hey so another newbie question, if I'm not mistaken, I never have to bind these keys as prot right?

• bash
• whirlwind
• rend

[polar patio]

Rend is spread through Thunderclap, therefore no.
Whirlwind is basically like Revenge, but w/o the proper Multipliers from Talents.
I dont know what Bash is honestly. Might be not having leveled a warrior for years except the level increase per expansion.

[polar patio]

If by Bash you mean Slam, yes thats also a pretty dead ability at this point.

[polar patio]

Ah yes, Shield Bash has been removed and unifed into Pummel as Protection, therefore Pummel has to be binded, Shield Bash doesnt exist anymore in Retail. For Classic, id highly suggest Binding it. 🙂

[slender bison]

Slam is a filler for other specs

[polar patio]

Well, obv this doesnt apply to all specs.

[brave sapphire]

If your friends played feral, mm hunter and disc priest. What class/spec would you look for to smooth out your m+ comp? (Replacing the disc with a mistweaver/restro shaman is not an option! :D) - We are currently at Resi 15 going for more. So far we are really liking demonhunters/dks for their defensives/utility.

[ionic nimbus]

Bring Pwar and WW? Full melee cleave

[sinful copper]

Dk, ww, rogue

Either of those

Enh shaman too

[brave sapphire]

Problem i have with enh, ww and rogue is that for dungeons like floodgate i feel like we would miss 1 group def cd.

[slender bison]

You're asking how to push 15 with no pwar tank on a pwar discord?

[brave sapphire]

It's kinda implied that when i ask in a pwar channel and list 3 of my friends classes that i play pwar, no? 😛

[slender bison]

So phys comp. DHs darkness goes a long way for you at BigMomma, Dailcry etc. UDK for CR and AMZ. WW for short kicks and skips. But retri never fails

Get reliable jumper cables for CR and you can drop the UDK

[sweet summit]

bring whoever does the most damage and make up some arbitrary utility argument for bringing them

[slender bison]

UDK is kinda lame outside of big pulls

FDK is more consistent with damage, but lower spikes

[brave sapphire]

We usually run with a random 5th guy at the moment we find in LFG, so the jumper cables are already making me poor. As far as i see it, it's either have some great prio dmg or an extra group defensive.

[slender bison]

Depends on dungeon. I wouldnt bring a UDK in ToP. But most consistent across all dungeons will be retri paladin (CR + utility + better damage than UDK)

[royal mist]

How come I dont have access to (The War Within link found in the Protection-faq): https://discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/1266837564925673596/1269003899356971089

#1230018936427515924 message

Im trying to see if anyone has a generic Note for defensives on Mythic Bandit, Mugzee and Gally. Switching from BDK, so trying to reduce my mental bandwidth

[ionic nimbus]

Ret is pretty big in a lot of cases, it’s a very good allrounder

[shell tide]

Sol...I ve gotten 3k on rogue and im 2800 on ele shaman/resto I want triple threat achieve instead of pushing really high io this season....I made a prot warriro it seems fun....

Just tanking 8 keys right now at like 650 ilvl its my first day as tank but it seems mondays are a bad day for keys/? Everyone just falls over to dumb shit....Ill check back later adn possibly just gear my demon hunter for the meta FOR THE META11

Also as a rogue main i like any kind of war and shaman in my group idgaf about the rest lmao

[jagged pier]

well ppl doing 8 keys at this point

are doing 8 s for a reason

end of week aso usually the worst times becuase everyones already done with vault

[bronze delta]

Hi, is there any info on the soon to be added cursed enchantments for the helmet and which one is worth doing for protection?

[jagged pier]

im pretty sure its the stats one last time i checked

[bronze delta]

Could this enchantment be just as good for arms? I just play both of these specializations, and unfortunately the helmet is the only one

[jagged pier]

it was best for everything last checking

[bronze delta]

Thanks a lot

[jagged pier]

doesnt mean it is now

[cerulean tusk]

Helm enchant is so minor that you can just pick whatever you vibe the most with.

I am going twilight dev in hopes it bugs out and does good dam

[jagged pier]

[cerulean tusk]

Trippel beam is going to do what 1.5m dam, not too shabby

[bronze delta]

Well, I would like to go to high keys(doing 13-14 now) so would like to take something that helps more. But if there really isn't much difference, I'll see for myself what looks better

[shell tide]

rogues get like 2.6% increased sint target dmg from one of the corruiptions then everything esle is around 2.2-2.3% does anyone have the break downs for warrriors?

[cerulean tusk]

You can sim yourself already it is 2.4 to 1.7% totals doe most ppl from worst to best case. That also shifts on targets 1-10

I do hope they do a quick hotfix of TD tho, make it uncapped and 50% of HP

[strong forum]

"does reduced dmg beyond 1 target, hard caps at 5"

with hitting 5 targets you do like 130% total dmg

instead of 100% on 1 target

🙂

TD completely useless

[cerulean tusk]

It looks cool 😎

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

if you hide the dmg meter yea

[cerulean tusk]

You all laugh, but I will be back with dam amp numbers and godprocs

[strong forum]

if you want god procs

go watch my ML19 from BFA

i ruin my fmages combusts like 3 or 4 times

cuz i proc TD en masse

[cerulean tusk]

You remember PvP with this? Game starts, tank runs in, beam comes out. 10 sec games with instant KO

[strong forum]

yes

a good friend of mine is the reason why its nerfed

a certain bear

[shell tide]

rofl i was just a ww monk lmao

Stacking verse

I didnt get to have fun came in late didnt get the gushings

[strong forum]

sounds extremely boring

ye

[cerulean tusk]

I only got the proc vers one, while my mate got full gushing wounds

Fun times

[shell tide]

still got 2100 in 3s and 2s tho lol

Idk back then i though borrowed power ruined the game

and shadowlands season 2 it was bullshit the time gate kept bs

now since trinkets are dog ass its like let us have a little fun

[warm plinth]

I don't actually remember TD all that fondly because I ran with a vdh and played havoc back then. So my life was determined by who procced their td first

[shell tide]

just to brag i just tanked a 2+ cinder brew with a 600 ilvl dh lmao

did more dmg than a 640 ilvl havoc dh

[cerulean tusk]

... Gj?

[shell tide]

it just doesnt make sense lmao

[cerulean tusk]

[shell tide]

i dont understand this game rofl maybe i just dont play wow on mondays into reset on tuesday lmao

[dusty grove]

anyone got any idea why some chinese prot players run spear?

[cerulean tusk]

You are will soon come to the point of knowledge that 9o% of ppl are terribad at this game

[shell tide]

are they running with a boomkin?

[cerulean tusk]

Same reason Nome says to use it in the guide

[hearty terrace]

heyt if freash whats the best bang for your buck buy with your danna

[shell tide]

probably just look at nome guide

[dusty grove]

they don't run with boomie

[shell tide]

i havent read the spear benefits

[polar patio]

link?

[dusty grove]

i thought it was just for the extra damage window

but i don't know for sure

[shell tide]

ravager does mroe dmg i would think

maybe its for certain mobs that run away?

[strong forum]

spear does very good dmg by itself and the crit amp

but roar is better for consistency, easier and more frequent threat

[cerulean tusk]

Ravager and spear isn't a choice between them btw

[dusty grove]

i was playing around holding it for demo shout+avatar+demolish windows

[shell tide]

hell idk i just started tanking yesterday on my prot war

[dusty grove]

but it didn't seem too crazy

[strong forum]

dont hold

never holkd

[shell tide]

yeah who holds cds?

[dusty grove]

ok

[strong forum]

it lines up naturally

[dusty grove]

i actually don't know

do you hold demolish for 10 stacks

or just send?

[cerulean tusk]

What if: dam amp coming?

[shell tide]

idk as soon as it lights up im sending

[cerulean tusk]

General rule of thumb, just send it. If you don't have avatar up and it is on CD, feel free to shieldwall for avatar to boost the demo

[stiff wagon]

Which two item slots should I craft? Is it still bracers and boots?

[solid sun]

You’ll reach ten stacks naturally while it’s on cd

[jagged pier]

back and boots

[dusty grove]

sounds good im working on resil 15s rn and im comparing myself to other warriors and im super cooked on the damage department

[stiff wagon]

Thank you.

[shell tide]

its becase your not just sending fuckin everything lmao

[dusty grove]

i send everything on cd pretty much

[shell tide]

hmm

[dusty grove]

just was testing holding spear

[shell tide]

ah

you said your getting cooked

[dusty grove]

yeah

[shell tide]

mob grouping?

maybe the dps you are running with are not killing stuff quickly enough

a few factors to take into account

[solid sun]

The classic “it’s someone else’s fault”

Nice

[dusty grove]

thisi s the 15 flood i did and we barely timed

[shell tide]

no shaman in your group

no druid for vers buff

[dusty grove]

1 min left on timer, i definitely felt like i wasn't holding up my part of the bargain

[strong forum]

kinda need shaman

[shell tide]

yeah your dam is good

[strong forum]

skyfury is massive

[dusty grove]

i was more focused on living and i felt like i wasn't risking revenges

[shell tide]

the others dam is kind of low i was slappin 6mil overall in flood on my rouge while the others were at 4mil

was just a 14 though

there area bunch of factors yeah?

[solid sun]

You may have been using too much IP and not enough revenge

[dusty grove]

is there opinions on yoda's comment on brutal vitality vs fueled by violence?

[strong forum]

the facts are

[jagged pier]

yes the maths doesnt check out, but its close

[dusty grove]

i tried to run both and honestly i still don't know which is better

[strong forum]

fueled by violence is bugged

is at 85% rate instead of 110%

and brutal vit is also bugged iirc?

[dusty grove]

i kinda feel like fueled by violence would work better vs bleeds?

[strong forum]

but brutal vit still does better

in almost all situations

[dusty grove]

how does ip work vs bleeds? is it just like regular damage?

[strong forum]

yes

IP works against everything

BrV is also exceedingly better on single target

aka the hard bosses

like in priory, floodgate

BrV will do infinitely more than fueled by violence

on mega ultra giga pulls, fueled by violence might be better because of the sheer number of targets funneling you

but its kinda a self fulfilling prophecy cuz ip will fall off WAY quicker without BrV

[dusty grove]

i definitely feel it

[strong forum]

yeah

[dusty grove]

without brv im spending more on ip

[strong forum]

yup

your self sustainability definitely suffers

from the lack of passive IP gen

extremely noticable imo

[polar patio]

which self sustainability compared to other tanks healing lmao

[strong forum]

who is comparing

[solid sun]

This feedback doesn’t seem to reconcile well with how this discord has stated we use IP, generally speaking

[dusky canopy]

@lusty grotto sausage egg n cheese McGriddle slammin this morning!

[polar patio]

Noone, but i feel like comparing subpar to subsubpar and vice versa ist a bit off.

[solid sun]

For most cases, it’s been stated here we do not care about IP uptime, we use it when we have more than 70 rage, otherwise we are revenging

[polar patio]

But it is in fact interesting that it seems to be bugged

[solid sun]

So why would you spend more on IP just because it goes away faster

[strong forum]

because you die

without IP up

[frosty mango]

That’s true but it’s also frequently stated that as key level goes up so does your ip usage

[strong forum]

BrV helps sustain IP, therefor you can afford to send more revenge

which in turn means you heal more via leech

both talents are a self fulfilling prophecy

BrV -> more leech healing and more IP uptime, more revenge casts

FbV -> less leech healing, less IP uptime but more IP casts

[dusky canopy]

100% shieldblock uptime
100% ip uptime

[dusty grove]

makes sense

[polar patio]

Rather confusing concept to avoid overspending on IP yet dying without IP and actually debating if a talent to maintain IP is worse than regular healing

Someone untangle me here

[dusty grove]

i definitely feel unkillable in 13s and below as i climb i keep spending more on ip

[strong forum]

overspending on IP means draining your rage tank

if you are at 40 rage

you have 0 IP

no CDs incoming soon

[dusty grove]

btw does anyone have any type of wa to help them with the 3rd boss in motherlode

[strong forum]

what do you press?

[solid sun]

Not really. It’s usually stated there are specific instances where IP becomes necessary. Like if it’s something shield block doesn’t fix, but otherwise you don’t care about IP uptime and IP doesn’t help you live. This conversation suggests that advice has been wrong

[dusty grove]

i just been using defensives during what i "think" her autos timers are

[strong forum]

who said IP doesnt help you live

[warm plinth]

I don't think anyone said that

if they did, they're wrong

[strong forum]

IP is one of the main reasons why we survive, coupled with SB

its the pairing of the 2 why we dont lose hp

[dusky canopy]

I think it’s in the name of the ability
“Ignore” “pain” aka living

[strong forum]

the point that has been emphasised

is to not OVERPRIORITISE it

because NOT HAVING RAGE is what kills you ultimately

[warm plinth]

The point we generally make when we say things like "I don't track IP" is because you don't need to. If you're playing properly, you will already be pressing IP a lot out of necessity. We also specify that in scenarios where you need it, you can send multiple IP casts in short succession to tank a big hit

[strong forum]

if you overspend on IP

you will spend too much rage and eventually not get shield slam resets

and thus die

if you overspend on revenge, you will die because of no IP

the key to success is doing both correctly

using IP properly is where you gain and lose the most dmg

[dusky canopy]

Banner my beloved.. take me back..

[warm plinth]

Probably the opening quote of a Bloodborne 2 boss fight

You know, when there is a Bloodborne 2

[polar patio]

you have a guide to the link

[cerulean tusk]

I dont know what you are pointing out, if there are no red lines or arrows

[strong forum]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank#advanced-tips

right here

[dusky canopy]

Where’s the guide to that link at!?

Smh

[polar patio]

thanks. lets ignore the word fidget spinner sentence

[warm plinth]

I need a guide to the link to the guide

to the link

[dusty grove]

what's your take on m+ focused prot warrior? chrome suit or titan of industry, i already have myth track pacemaker and heroic track mud trinket

[dusky canopy]

Don’t worry I just noticed because I do it all the time

[dusty grove]

heroic version only for chromesuit/titan no access to mythic

for dinars

[strong forum]

shield big nono

https://i.imgur.com/jLxlJwy.png

[dusty grove]

looks like bomb suit it is

[strong forum]

if you dont want to RNG farm the trinket

you can buy it

but i put it at the bottom since well, theyre farmable

[polar patio]

okay so basically, me trying to frantically survive spending rage on IP is basically killing me cause i shouldve rather pumped revenge?

[strong forum]

depends on the situation

but more than likely yes

[polar patio]

that seems so much like a zug zug solution to the situation

[strong forum]

yeah

its not as on the nose

revenge -> ss reset -> more rage -> more everything

ykno

[fallen fern]

How does Tome of Lights Devotion stack up against Eye of Kezan in raid?

[strong forum]

sitting afk with TC and SS on cd

[strong forum]

tome shits on everything

by like 50k++

any other trinket combination

[polar patio]

but doesnt IP also reset ss

[strong forum]

no

[fallen fern]

Thought so, sims are weird

[strong forum]

only revenge, tc, execute and auto attacks reset shield slam

IP just spends rage

[dusty grove]

how much better is heroic chromesuit vs mythic mud trinket?

[warm plinth]

The first thing I'd do is make sure you're pressing shield block and that you're not turning your back to mobs. That's almost always the reason people are dying. 2nd place is usually people who waste a lot of globals by not pressing things fast enough.

[strong forum]

mud trinket is only recommended for mythic gallywix

outside of that chromesuit is better in pretty much all scenarios

HOWEVER

[dusty grove]

ok

i definitely need something

[strong forum]

i dont know how this compares to 684 vs 665 or 668 or whatever hero track was

[strong forum]

but i do believe the 30sec cd diff + partial absorb makes bombsuit significantly better

[slender bison]

Myth Mud good for Momma + Dailcry🥺 if no raiding

[polar patio]

Okay but why do we have a macro that states to use IP into SS in case SS resets

[dusty grove]

i'll send my dinar for bombsuit then

dallcry is starting to truck me 😦

[strong forum]

yeah but its the same as bombsuit in those scenarios

its just an absorb

[warm plinth]

Because with devastator, you can reset the cooldown of SS mid-GCD. The macro allows you to sneak in an IP cast before the SS so you don't waste rage

[strong forum]

for gally it literally negates an entire mechanic

thats why its better there

[warm plinth]

since IP is off-GCD as well

[strong forum]

cuz it resets tank mechanic

[proper scarab]

I don’t hit IP

https://youtube.com/shorts/rqhip-F4i9c?si=5idQIP9-KvICNMji

[strong forum]

its okay

outburst and brutal vitality will press IP for you

if you want to or not

[dusty grove]

you know what i think im going to try and do a 10 where i only use rage for shield block and revenge

see how far that gets me on the meters 🙂

[warm plinth]

You could just not use the macro and you would really not notice much of a difference

It's for a fairly niche scenario

[strong forum]

it wouldnt get you anywhere on the meters cuz thats a dps loss to do

xd

not using IP is a dps loss

[dusty grove]

wait why is that

[strong forum]

cuz you will overcap rage

[warm plinth]

You will overcap rage

[strong forum]

and if you ONLY send revenge in aoe and avoid using SS

[slender bison]

It's so annoying that the prot tree is frozen in place. Can't even swap a bunch of talents to test Fueled by Violence + Bloodborne

[strong forum]

then you will lose even more dps in the long run

youll do the most dmg by using IP properly

and youll do SHIT dmg by overusing IP

or underusing IP

[slender bison]

They refuse to update this outdated talent tree. It's 3 years now

[dusty grove]

makes sense

[warm plinth]

What's to test? Bloodborne would just be a 20% increase

[strong forum]

12.0 cluster

at the cost of 2 points

so you lose dmg elsewhere

therefor do less healing

or generate less rage

and therefor be squishier

[slender bison]

Bloodlust kings

[warm plinth]

And the damage is easy enough to calculate. Look how much deep wounds does, add 20%. Would give you a pretty close estimate anyway

[strong forum]

we love opportunity cost

[warm plinth]

Look at bleeds*

[brave sapphire]

I would guess they do it for DFC and maybe TOP. Spear trivializes first big pulls in DFC and helps a lot with the jumping things in gorechop wing and grouping the arbalests. I didn't test it yet in cinderbrew, but since final sting is a movement ability, maybe it cancels that as well.

[dusty grove]

he plays it regardless of dungeons

but i didn't think of the bees

would be nice tech for sure

[polar patio]

can also assume it will help with threat, even if you drop on mobs they cant run until you good to go with it.

unless my logic is fundamentally flawed and im the only one loosing threat on 12-15 mil dps

[strong forum]

spear is good in ToP and Workshop

[dusty grove]

first pull on workshop too

[cerulean tusk]

If you lose threat it is because DPS didn't wait for mobs to gather

Let the DPS die

[dusty grove]

i've been playing prot and vengeance

i don't really have aggro issues on prot even though im boosted

vdh on the otherhand

🙈

[polar patio]

doubt it is because you pull with SoF though, but yeah seems vdh does struggle in that department

[brave sapphire]

Depends on what you did first pull. You can generate enough aggro on the first 2 groups, bodypull 3rd and run into 4th. Throwing a Ravager in the path of the 3rd. I tell everyone to blast asap, but stand behind 4th pack after i get aggro of it.

[swift zenith]

How do I track Violent Outburst for this rotation? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/rotation-cooldowns-pve-tank
talents: CkEAO9DBjZzKcjSu6RJDto0RCKGAAAAmZmxMzMYWmZZmZmtFGjZaMLjZYsMmZGWmZGzADDAAAAAAMzAAsstBAsZGDLkBmhFawC
WA: attached
I don't get what I'm looking for in the WA is the Seeing Red dynamic effect?

[brave sapphire]

Can you link Weakaura name or the page?

[dusty grove]

do ya'll actually stance dance or permasit on defensive?

[swift zenith]

its luxthos prot warrior wa https://wago.io/LuxthosWarriorWarWithin

[cerulean tusk]

In m+ I just sit in dstance, I see no reason to minmax the demo hits to that degree

[dusty grove]

@swift zenith

the red one eventually changes to the green orc looking one

[brave sapphire]

Until i felt comfortable only defensive, then i started to slowly integrate offensive in places like first boss rookery. Just take it slowly, you won't lose much if you don't swap, but it's just another optimization.

[dusty grove]

wow i actually didn't think about bosses like that where your never threatened

probably first boss in ml as well

gotta turn on my brain haha

[swift zenith]

ah ok ty

[brave sapphire]

Just do NOT forget to swap back. When i first started out i tanked a whole rookery +14 in offensive stance and died like a dog in the last room twice (and once before that :P), just to not time the key by like 2 minutes. The healer was struggling, i was struggling. I noticed when i checked the details after the run.

[dusty grove]

haha

i remember being scared of rookery

then i learned about spell block

i was doing 13s before i remembered that button existed lmao

[brave sapphire]

After that run i wasn't that scared anymore tbh. But i wrote myself a weakaura which blinks in the middle of my screen "YOU ARE IN BATTLE STANCE IDIOT!". So i will never forget to swap back.

[dusty grove]

im assuming you do much higher keys now? do you double pull the two casters in the last room of rook?

i've chained it but never double pulled, usually waited for one to die and drag the jumpy boys into the next caster

[brave sapphire]

That was ~1 1/2 weeks ago. Rn i found 3 other people i wanna play with and try to finish forming a casual pushing team. We are working on 15s and 16s.

[dusty grove]

what team are you running?

[brave sapphire]

Pwar, feral, mm hunter, disc

[dusty grove]

i've been pugging everything, rn just psf and brew left on 15s

[brave sapphire]

• 1 random

[cerulean tusk]

Get a shaman

[dusty grove]

i swear by shamans

forget the disc

gimme resto shamans

[brave sapphire]

the last 2 enhancer we tried had less kicks than the hunter TT

[dusty grove]

rip

[cerulean tusk]

Get ele

Big dam, giga funnel

[brave sapphire]

but my boofs

[dusty grove]

get ret

aoe taunt bop tech

[cerulean tusk]

Ret doesn't give WF

Get outaheeeere

[dusty grove]

yeah wf is nice

for sure

[brave sapphire]

i'm thinking either sub, dh or enhancer so far

dh b/c of their great defensives, sub b/c the best team i found with a similar comp has a sub as 5th - so i wanna try 😛 and enh for obvious reasons

[cerulean tusk]

What's wrong with ele, you get two ranged for mechanics. The best interupt in the game. Some of the best dps and best funnel

[dusty grove]

think rogue has amazing funnel

i need to find myself a resto shaman buddy

[brave sapphire]

the best feral i found came with a good disc, so that's why the healer is a disc and not a shammy 😛

[cerulean tusk]

Maybe you should bring a ww monk get that giga dam amp

[dusty grove]

bring the player not the class for sure

i bring no one

just pugging

[brave sapphire]

Can't be bothered to do that anymore. I have lived through enough toxicity with competitive cs and being highranked in valo/dota2.

This is my internet retirement home. Only good feelings with likeminded people who want to get better.

[dusty grove]

i just hit them with the alt+f4

😅

[lusty grotto]

if youre high ranked in valorant, you havent lived long enough

youre a baby

[brave sapphire]

I'm 39 my dude. 😄

[lusty grotto]

im older

c:

[cerulean tusk]

Grey rat in a hat

[lusty grotto]

fuck valorant

[brave sapphire]

People think im ~29 though, because i dodged so much sunlight

[lusty grotto]

didnt even touch it

[brave sapphire]

#skincare

[lusty grotto]

but ye to CS and Dota2

[brave sapphire]

It's a cool game if you play it with a likeminded 5 stack. But with randoms it's the most aids experience i ever had. Exactly how i envisioned the LOL-community to be.

[lusty grotto]

ive never played them with a full 5 stack

so i wouldnt know

maybe local competitive CS

thats about it

[dusty grove]

do you bother to keep shield block up with riksa outside of when spell block is active?

[lusty grotto]

and that was a long time ago

you should for SS damage

but entirely optional

just remember spell block lasts a long time, so might as well rotate it as normal

[dusty grove]

does shield block buff shield slam?

i should probably read my talents more carefully

[violet ginkgo]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

yes

[solid sun]

So I’m really hesitant to ask this but I stepped away and mulled it over and I still don’t get it

Why do we suddenly care about IP uptime

I send it ~70 rage and don’t think about it, but during the discussion earlier about Brutal Vitality vs Fueled by Violence, the hero of the story stated that when they’re spec’d into Fueled by Violence they’ve noticed that Ignore Pain falls off much faster, so they have to hit it more

Nome seemed to agree with this

But neither talent changed rage generation and the parameters of pressing Ignore Pain weren’t stated to have changed

So you should be pressing it the same amount right? You just have it less

[lusty grotto]

yeah

we just say IP should be used at 70+ rage to avoid overvaluing it where youre only pressing IP and rage starving yourself

and most people arent doing any content where they need IP up all the time

obviously, the higher the key, the more important it is

[solid sun]

So Sense is actually pressing ignore pain more than me

[brave sapphire]

I care about IP uptime, because it usually means that i turned damage into IP value via Brutal Vitality. Doesn't mean i press it like a maniac, but if i have SB up and can get an IP rolling before an SS, i usually do, even with only 35 rage.

[lusty grotto]

yes and no Rhino

it depends on a lot of things

ip uptime isnt really important

is the gist of it

but depending on damage profile, you are effectively tankier with it up

and just like everything on our kit, it serves dual purposes, so you shouldnt avoid it nor over-prioritize it.

[solid sun]

Alright. I mean I don’t do the dungeons Sense does so he can have fun figuring that shit out

I just wanted to make sure I was thinking about it correctly

[frosty mango]

I press ip when I am rage heavy OR I know I will need it for smoothing

Like on dailcry in a 16 I am sending IP repeatedly when pierce is on me

Not because it’s strictly necessary but because it’s inherently less risky

Or if I’m pulling some gross trash like the double pack at the end of flood

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[frosty mango]

Outburst also does a lot of legwork in getting it up, and brv helps keep it up

Not pressing ip doesn’t mean 0% ip uptime

[lusty grotto]

yea

[slender bison]

Do you even survive Dailcry 16 without healer external? Or healer spam during bleed?

[frosty mango]

Without healing? No prob not

[slender bison]

I got 100% SB and 70% IP in that fight and spell reflect during aoe and it's still insane

[frosty mango]

Without an external yeah I think so

You have cooldowns for 4 of every 5, and you can cover a few with ritual mud

Plus you can dwarf one off

[slender bison]

Need mud tomorrow, 15 is best I can do without it

[frosty mango]

But if you face tank one

You would prob die yea

[slender bison]

I'm nightborne lmao

[frosty mango]

I’m orc and I do fine

I’ve bricked every 15/16 priory I’ve done and that wasn’t the issue

[slender bison]

I'm pug exclusive so the only bricks are due to random deaths or lack of dps/heal at cathedral entrance 4 minute chain

[frosty mango]

It’s always kicks

People not kicking and strays murdering people

Yes warriors are kick gods but if I have 75 kicks I would expect a melee dps to have like at least 30

[slender bison]

Or soaks during castigation, but less frequent after 14

[frosty mango]

There’s no shortage of shit to kick in priory

[frosty mango]

Bombsuit same thing

[toxic pewter]

wat the best corruption enchant

[undone beacon]

i cannot wait for every third question for the next week to be "what corruption???" when you can go to any of the guides and see it listed (or better yet, sim it your damn self)

[toxic pewter]

wat the best corruption

[nocturne spindle]

DN

[undone beacon]

idk prob Expedient, maybe Racing Pulse or Strikethrough

[toxic pewter]

which 1 thhat

[fluid shard]

Deez nuts

Gottem

[undone beacon]

fucking obliterated

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1356461020851474472/1362664398086213632/image0.gif

[gritty pivot]

Just make sure you do enough runs to get the greater deez nuts.

[solid sun]

Not only are we gonna get tons of questions about corruptions, but we’re going to get a ton of discourse about the visions being timegated

[toxic pewter]

i dont see that 1 on wowhead u got a link

[solid sun]

It’s not gonna be a fun week or three to engage in wow content outside of the game

[toxic pewter]

need link to DN coruption pls

wowhead

[undone beacon]

wait what about them are timegated?

[toxic pewter]

incoming server maintenance extension calling it now

[undone beacon]

iirc all power gains can be done day one

the only "timegate" is for cosmetic rewards cuz it swaps between stormwind/org each week

[solid sun]

https://x.com/portergauge/status/1924561655037624453?s=46

Portergauge 🏳️‍🌈 (@Portergauge)

I'm anticipating quite the community crashout tomorrow when people realize that after a month of timegating, the Horrific Visions are *also* timegated by weekly upgrades lol

X · May 19, 2025, 8:23 PM

[undone beacon]

Oh PFFFT

The little upgrade tree, sure

[polar patio]

If any of you is honestly suprised by now, yall should take a hard look in the mirror

timegating is literally their whole business model

[undone beacon]

Timegating an additional 5%/10%/15% damage bonus over three weeks is whatever, its soft nerfs to the content for plebs

Thats like complaining that the raid % buffs are timegated, like yeah no shit

But people can waltz in tonight and get their greater helm enchants and be fine

[solid sun]

I’m merely stating people are gonna be pissed

[undone beacon]

Oh, yeah for sure

Three things in this universe are guaranteed

Death, Taxes, and WoW players being pissed about new features

[frosty mango]

Blizz will always timegate

It’s how they maintain sub numbers

[lusty grotto]

i think their timegating of player power is fine

this season specifically

[frosty mango]

Because otherwise half the playerbase would degen out and just play for 60 hours straight to max it all out then get bored and quit and/or gatekeep

[lusty grotto]

any other, no

timegating events does feel fucking bad still, however

we've gotten player power at a steady pace with raid renown

and last week with the increase in tracks + dumb fire proc in raid

and this week with helm enchants + another renown damage increase

[frosty mango]

I don’t personally care

If they gate

[lusty grotto]

as long as visions arent timegated on head enchant acquisition we're good

i dont really care about them, i did them in BFA so who cares

[frosty mango]

Everyone is gated to the same pace so everyone is at the same power, so imo why does it matter. It’s when they arbitrarily layer gated that is dumb

[nocturne spindle]

its kind of annoying just because the people i play with dont wanna push alot of keys until they have everything

[frosty mango]

Like capping valorstones AND crests

[nocturne spindle]

which is fair but its like

so much stuff coming so slowly

[frosty mango]

Why?

[nocturne spindle]

free stats?

[frosty mango]

It’s like 9 years into the season if they aren’t ready to push yet this shit isn’t gonna help them lol

[lusty grotto]

its mini completionism

they dont want to go until they've completed their gearing

it happens even to me sometimes

[frosty mango]

Gearing is never completed

The best you can do is set some arbitrary goal

[lusty grotto]

maybe to a much lesser extent

thats why i fucking did how many priories?

instead of pushing

[frosty mango]

lol

[undone beacon]

i thought you just adored priory

[frosty mango]

Part of my professional life is leadership coaching and that’s one of the major pillars

[lusty grotto]

i do like it

[frosty mango]

Don’t miss the forest for the trees

[lusty grotto]

dailcry and the casters can suck a dick, but the dungeon is well designed outside of those

[frosty mango]

Set a goal that’s attainable and then set a limit for your effort towards that goal, grinding leads to burnout, stick to consistent measurable progress

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[frosty mango]

Running 900 priories is attainable but not feasible

Running 3 a day is attainable and consistent

[fringe burrow]

I have a 681 weapon and shield, vault is offering a weapon and shield. Which one is more valuable with the extra 3 ilvls?

[frosty mango]

Too many people “goal grind” (that’s what I call it) where they focus on a singular objective to the detriment of all else

[lusty grotto]

absolutely, i think i inherently do that already im just saying that what i described happens to me to a lesser extent, so im sure it can happen on a bigger extent to other people

[undone beacon]

shield

[lusty grotto]

shield 100%

[frosty mango]

Shield all day

[undone beacon]

better yet, 110%

[frosty mango]

Big armor and block vibes

Really wish they would make 1h spears

And just delete mountain thane and give us a val’kyr hero tree

[undone beacon]

something something hoplite

[undone beacon]

idk when i suggested a hero talent tree with more val'kyr/odyn/titan theming i got reamed for it >:c

[frosty mango]

Not from me, they made great class fantasy then just forgot it existed

[undone beacon]

THANK YOU

Anyways

Heroic Throw? Yeah I heroic throw a fuckin javelin at ya

[frosty mango]

IMO some sort of hoplite spear/shield gladiator prot spec

In place of colossus

And then some sort of titan themed spec in place of mountain thane, aggramars choosen

And then maybe a wild god/wolf based berserker spec in place of slayer

Also make fury use 1 handers and delete titans grip

[undone beacon]

Honestly I wish mountain thane had instead been stormforged to move it more towards warriors and less towards dwarves

But thats a minor nitpick

[solid sun]

It was kinda funny that you jumped into our group and the 10 we had was a priory

You hadn’t done it enough yet

[solid sun]

Only one person didn’t get it iirc. I was with you

[undone beacon]

yeah but he was loud about it >:c

weh weh weh

[solid sun]

I don’t know what Slayer is supposed to be but I consider it a Monster Hunter which I’m personally down with because I love MH but colossus or slayer could have been odynesque for sure

[undone beacon]

Odynesque is a great word

[solid sun]

lol

Im wondering if the hero trees will be changed up as we move forward

Or just built on

Like maybe in Midnight instead of the three we have, we get three new ones? Maybe a fourth is added that can be chosen by any of the specs? Maybe the three we have just get bigger?

[frosty mango]

New hero trees each expansion would be cool while working good stuff into class tree

[velvet knot]

Ring or helmet? One has socket one has avoidance.

[misty moth]

Maybe in midnight they introduce a semi borrowed power semi talent system where you get 10 "void talents" that you can apply to talents you've selected that make them do different/additional things? Maybe that's a stupid idea

[velvet knot]

rings are dime a dozen right?

[lusty grotto]

helm, who cares about avoidance

even without socket

you would go helm

[velvet knot]

quick question nim

do i just stack haste/crit gems or do i want to do different colors for the additional 0.15% crit effect

[undone beacon]

Man, I just crafted a freakin crit/haste ring last week and now the cauldron ring shows up in my vault. Thanks game, you stink

[lusty grotto]

pretty much whatever the sims suggest

i dont really do different colors

[nocturne spindle]

i prefer different color gems with the movement speed

[lusty grotto]

the only thing you want that one for is for the primary stat

[velvet knot]

that sounds fun ima do that

[nocturne spindle]

taste the rainbow

[misty moth]

Movement speed is bis

[left meteor]

Is that a Stam gem

[lusty grotto]

holy

[nocturne spindle]

🙂

[lusty grotto]

ok but why

[left meteor]

Actually I dont wanna know

[nocturne spindle]

its like 150 secondary stat

who cares

nyoom

[lusty grotto]

gross

[mild ore]

More speed

[thin finch]

pls help me to decide
raidbots is telling me to get the trinket but But I think shield is the right choose.

[velvet knot]

My speed didn't go up :<

[lusty grotto]

yeah go shield

[sharp gale]

My dk moves at 120% speed

[velvet knot]

does the movespeed gemstone show the increase on your stats?

[lusty grotto]

it should

but it doesnt stack with the talent

also only if youre tracking move speed

cause the default ui doesnt

[velvet knot]

I have 5 gem colors

[undone beacon]

i made a wa back in df to track my move speed cuz of weird embellishment interactions

[undone beacon]

it doesnt show up here since its not speed stat, its flat speed buff

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

you cant see move speed on your character window without an addon

[velvet knot]

Oh okay ty

[lusty grotto]

there's also a script you can run in chat

macro-able

[undone beacon]

macro it to /yell on every ability

[velvet knot]

Nice

ty

[undone beacon]

https://wago.io/EygwpDPvM/3

is what i use

[lusty grotto]

or that yea

[sharp gale]

Noice

[nocturne spindle]

118

zooomin

what else do you have

[velvet knot]

Not sure

No speed enchants

[sharp gale]

I have the 2 enchants on my dk

[velvet knot]

Oh this apparently

[nocturne spindle]

ALSO

WHO LIED TO ME

[sharp gale]

The wrists and the boots

[velvet knot]

I run leech on wrists, and stam on boots

is speed better?

[lusty grotto]

no

[lusty grotto]

people are just memeing

[nocturne spindle]

THE FUCKING SPEED TALENT STACKS WITH GEMS

LIARS

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt

that WA is wrong

[sharp gale]

I value speed more on bdk than leech / but not on war

[nocturne spindle]

[lusty grotto]

if youd rather trust a random WA creator than us, then its up to you

[velvet knot]

10% free speed from gems is still nice though. Ty for the gem advise

[nocturne spindle]

thats the get speed command

not a wa

[sharp gale]

I use the addon that modify char panel stats

[lusty grotto]

its not advice

speed is a meme

dont take it seriously

[sharp gale]

FAST

[velvet knot]

thats 10% quicker running in keys

[sharp gale]

That’s 10% more time to go out of an AoE

[velvet knot]

exactly

10% speed or 0.75% crit dmg.

[sharp gale]

But my char is mythic raid geared*

[velvet knot]

I'll take 10% speed

But my crit is also 40%..

Hmm.

[toxic pewter]

how get mask

[sharp gale]

I play crit dmg gem on my war tho

[mortal cypress]

I'll take a large ice cream

[nocturne spindle]

i just did some quick tests

it seems to stack

[wintry geyser]

Alright what should I grab? everything here is lower ilvl than what I already have

[lusty grotto]

fuck i forgot its vault tuesday

no skyhold for me today

[velvet knot]

These visions aint shit.

[violet ginkgo]

so ritual seemingly good for all content? prot will go with that too?

[lusty grotto]

yea

void ritual all the way

unless they balance them out again

[nocturne spindle]

the fuck are faceless masks

[lusty grotto]

the same shit that was in BFA

except easier

[nocturne spindle]

i didnt play bfa

[lusty grotto]

from what i see

they make visions harder

each mask is added difficulty

[sharp gale]

it's a thing to make it more difficult / give more currency and achivement

[lusty grotto]

all 5 is the hardest

but this version seems like its a fucking snoozefest so

[nocturne spindle]

oh

how do i turn those on

[sharp gale]

you can have 8 now it seems

[lusty grotto]

i see so 8 total

[sharp gale]

that's a long time ago

[velvet knot]

Damn 13 days after you

[sharp gale]

but it was a lot of gold to boost for a thing twilight devastion did for you

[velvet knot]

oh yeah we get new corruptions now

what slot

[lusty grotto]

im not in game

youve been beaten

c:

[nocturne spindle]

where do i actually get this first faceless mask

am i blind

[velvet knot]

it tells you in the game

gotta kill elites or w/e

[sharp gale]

complete all 5 objectives

[nocturne spindle]

ohh

ok

[sharp gale]

than it's shenanigans with 1 mask active

[toxic pewter]

i got 1st mask

[sharp gale]

corruptions malus were fun, now that i try to remember what it was

[velvet knot]

is twilight dev still good or is it garbage now?

[toxic pewter]

I just want twilight devsatation lol

like i dont even care if it sims bad

[velvet knot]

it doesn't do hp% damage

its just a flat amount

[toxic pewter]

ya it prob sucks i actually haave no clue

[sharp gale]

you can have multiple helmets

[toxic pewter]

true lol

[undone beacon]

is not good

[toxic pewter]

how much does these curruptions cost

if i want a new one

[undone beacon]

1000 currency for 1 greater corruption

[toxic pewter]

ok

[lusty grotto]

garbage

[velvet knot]

by the looks of things

[toxic pewter]

so which 1 do we want if we had to pick

[velvet knot]

void ritual looks kinda good

[lusty grotto]

yes

we said that

a couple of lines ago

[velvet knot]

Oh

I wasn't looking

[lusty grotto]

and is even on the wowhead guide

as of last week

[velvet knot]

Oh

[toxic pewter]

but i want twilight dev

[oblique quarry]

Of course the objectively boring one is the best one 🥸

[toxic pewter]

i got twilight dev LOL

[lusty grotto]

twilight dev isnt fun if it doesnt do bfa damage + corruption levels

[undone beacon]

#protection message pog

[toxic pewter]

its lesser anyway

greater i will do the stat one

just more fun to see the void column go out

and hit things

[sharp gale]

i want it too but it's NOT real TD, it is gone forever, we have to accept this

[lusty grotto]

yup

[toxic pewter]

yes I cannot deny that

blizz has no balls

should of brought em all back even the stats

yolo

[sharp gale]

even nerfed TD would be fine (when they target capped it)

[lusty grotto]

they would have had a balancing nightmare

[toxic pewter]

lol

true

[lusty grotto]

there's no corruption levels, no ghost murdering you

so why do the same damage without drawbacks

[sharp gale]

ghost = fun

[lusty grotto]

yeah i agree happy

no leggo cloak

etc etc

[toxic pewter]

wtf 1 mask without more talent tree seems awful it cuts my sanity in half

[sharp gale]

i just remember the screams in raid or m+ bc your buddy have 120 corruptions and their ghost spawned

[lusty grotto]

yeah i just had the gingi WA