protection

[lusty grotto]

yeah body checks is probably a big thing

[frosty mango]

Unless it’s end tier and you overgear death is a wipe

[tender zealot]

0 reason to continue clearing each week unless you wish to speeclear log/parse

[frosty mango]

Well I think the idea to to gear alt jobs

But yea

[tender zealot]

and its even worse in ffxiv

you are basically getting the same fight over and over and just min maxing a 1second gcd to see how much you can cheese

[lusty grotto]

i dont think thats a bad thing

[tender zealot]

I used to do in back in Alexander and we used to wait for double balance openers just to see how fast we could kill refurbisher

[lusty grotto]

replayability

having an end goal is good

[tender zealot]

That's now gone away but it's just a bad game now.

[lusty grotto]

having to reclear ad-nauseaum is not

[frosty mango]

It offers some decent stuff but yeah I think without the story of endwalker to carry it, the core game mechanics get a little stale

[lusty grotto]

literally the same as saving lockouts

[frosty mango]

Though I’m not clear how they solve that

Without a new engine

[tender zealot]

Yeah I went to the subreddit a long time ago and got shit on. It needs a new engine and I would play it

But that community is super toxic carebear +

[frosty mango]

They just need to hire ff story and scenario designers for wow

Final Warcraft 2-17

Problems solved

[lusty grotto]

you mean the SB/EW writer

whos head writer now

and gave story to underlings which shit the bed

[solid sun]

Yeah I think wow has a better story rn than xiv

[lusty grotto]

it does

well

the campaign at the start

its kinda on pause now i guess

[round pendant]

I couldn't play endwalker even tho I was hyped for it

wasted 30 bux

[lusty grotto]

thats one thing they could improve, tier patches in xiv at least have some entertaining story

[tender zealot]

Just needs a new engine but story is irrelevant

[lusty grotto]

but at least this exp's campaign was decent, im sure they will move forward with it

or TWW initial campaign, rather

undermine story was also decent

[solid sun]

I wouldn’t say story is irrelevant

It’s the one of the primary reasons xiv gained so much popularity during shadowbringers/endwalker

[chilly brook]

Engine is ok

[tender zealot]

nah its dogshit and why most people dont play the game

[stuck glen]

give it to me straight, how bad is it to have shield slam/shield block macroed together?

[lusty grotto]

fucking terrible

[tender zealot]

wow has the best engine and why I probably still play it

[lusty grotto]

youre not most people

the people you know are not most people

the people that think like you are not most people

you havent played since heavensward

[tender zealot]

Most wow people will agree that the engine is bad though

No I played off and on all the way up to last expo

[lusty grotto]

you said 3.0

[tender zealot]

Just game died for me back in HW when raiding was good

[lusty grotto]

k

i dont feel that way

so its def not most wow players

[tender zealot]

Gordias was a really good tier. And Midas

[lusty grotto]

compared to what?

coils?

lol

okay

[tender zealot]

Any current raid

they are all cookiecutter

[chilly brook]

because they don't actually have an opinion they just spew whatever is popular

[lusty grotto]

have you set foot in ultimates?

[tender zealot]

yeah I did ucob when it released

[lusty grotto]

well im sorry for you, cause that one is garbage

[frosty mango]

I have an opinion that the engine needs work because the server tick is 3s

Which severely limits encounter design

[lusty grotto]

thats not the engine

thats by design

[solid sun]

What constitutes as engine?

[lusty grotto]

cause consoles

[frosty mango]

The engine is tied directly to the netcode

[solid sun]

Because wow has a lot of bugs and issues. Is that an engine situation?

[frosty mango]

And that influences all of their design

But yes agree it was because of consoles

[lusty grotto]

i do agree the tick rate is something that needs to improve

[solid sun]

Does that mean you need to walk out of a void zone three seconds prior to it exploding

[lusty grotto]

no

well

yes

but its not 3s specifically

[solid sun]

I didn’t remember that being a thing but

[frosty mango]

I was about to say lol yes

[tender zealot]

I'm allowed to have an opinion about the game lol

[stuck glen]

So i get shieldslam/shield block macro is bad, but can anyone explain why for my zugbrain? We always want it up when tanking stuff and it buffs shieldslam, so why not? (plus with heavy repercussions doesnt it basically have 100% uptime?)

[lusty grotto]

you do

[chilly brook]

FFXIV is actually incredibly impressive for the limitations it has lol

[tender zealot]

ucob was the first and probably isnt the best

[lusty grotto]

im just saying ucob was garbage

[frosty mango]

Engine = framework that the graphics and encounters are designed in, the netcode handles the server/client communication (server tick)

Both are important and tied together

That’s simplifying it a lot

[lusty grotto]

cause youre gonna starve yourself by using it

[frosty mango]

But tldr

[lusty grotto]

theres probably no way youre gonna be able to use rage for anything else if youre auto consuming it

and youll consume it in scenarios where it doesnt matter or SS duration is capped etc

[tender zealot]

PS3/PS4 limitations

[frosty mango]

Yeah no one gives a shit about consoles anymore so they should release a new mmo with a better engine

[tender zealot]

they had issues with space on characters as well due to this until I guess recently? they gave you more inventory slots etc

[frosty mango]

Not space but how it worked

[lusty grotto]

xiv isnt gonna get a new engine

[frosty mango]

Each inventory slot was a database row and moving things was like a crud op which made inventory/storage very resource intensive

Something to that effect

[lusty grotto]

at best, FF17, 18, 19 if they decide to make a new mmo, which they wont

cause mmos are a dying genre

[undone orbit]

hey guyd do prot war still use the book from prio? im running 14-15s atm

[frosty mango]

Tell that to square whose most profitable division is MMOs

[frosty mango]

Yes very good

[stuck glen]

so is the goal not 100% uptime then? is it really rage starving yourself if your goal is to keep it rolling anyway?

[frosty mango]

There’s a pin on how to sim it properly

[lusty grotto]

the goal is 100% uptime, but you can do it without auto casting

[tender zealot]

They're not but I was stating it's a big reason why less players play the game/ did not capture wow audience as much as it could due to gcd delay etc

[lusty grotto]

youre negatively affecting other stuff in your rotation

you need to use rage for other reasons

damage, IP, etc

[solid sun]

Being mad

[lusty grotto]

really need to stop including "everyone" as your opinion

unless youve asked every single one of them

[stuck glen]

is there a cap on shieldblock time? doesn it stack up as you use it anyway?

[lusty grotto]

3x duration

[frosty mango]

Which is functionally about 24s

[solid sun]

24 seconds

Hey stop being faster than me

[small steeple]

is there sims for the corruptions on prot warrior?

[lusty grotto]

i think nome did some

but ended up with the same results

i.e. void ritual or bust

[solid sun]

Heck these new head enchants

[lusty grotto]

we will see though

[frosty mango]

I will see

The pin in this channel, and then use that and forget they exist

[solid sun]

True

So true

[small steeple]

was this before or after the big buff wave? They aren't pined anywhere
like, I know for bdk, pure damage wise in raid, gushing wound will be more damage and echoing void will be similar too, but otherwise void ritual is better

[lusty grotto]

im not particularly sure of the details

but he put it up on the wowhead guide

without sim results of course

best to ask him

[small steeple]

@strong forum did you sim the corruptions after the round of buffs?

[nocturne spindle]

theyre all pretty close anyway

so its almost certainly gonna be the stat one for why not get some defensives reasons

without looking at anything

[warm plinth]

Definitely less exciting this time around

[toxic pewter]

wat u guys buy with the cartel chips

[solid sun]

I got an m tome

[lusty grotto]

nothing

waiting for 1ab kill

[toxic pewter]

what is ab

[frosty mango]

I’m about to buy the worlds biggest office chair

[toxic pewter]

oh 1 arm bandit

[warm plinth]

One-armed bandit

1ab

[strong forum]

void ritual

cuz tanks are nerfed by 30% for the dmg corruptions

and void ritual translates into aoe and is competing with dmg corruptions on pure st

dmg corruptions dont rly translate into aoe

[south zealot]

twitch prime

[small steeple]

so almost equivalent in st and wins outright in aoe?

[strong forum]

si

[frosty mango]

So what you’re saying is blizz will nerf it two days into the patch

I’m being sarcastic but also kinda not

[strong forum]

nah cuz TECHNICALLY

echoing void sims highest

BUT

ykno

6/8 bosses have aoe compartments

and keys exist

[warm plinth]

Ok but

Twilight Dev must be #1 in fun factor

right

Wait, is TD a thing? I haven't looked at them

[lusty grotto]

it is

[small steeple]

its a gutted shell

[warm plinth]

But if it's the same appearance-wise, it'll still be #1 fun

[lusty grotto]

lol

[strong forum]

TD hard capped at 5 targets

has fallof dmg after 1st target already

[warm plinth]

what the balls

[strong forum]

🙂

its giga shit

[warm plinth]

Blizz pls

[small steeple]

a gutted carcass left to rot in the road

[warm plinth]

That's very sad

I bet they didn't even give new zones for the visions

[vocal cave]

what triggers the bomb explosion on mythic gally?

while carrying

[strong forum]

death

[vocal cave]

well I didnt die, neither got hit by giga blast

[strong forum]

or touching a mechanic iirc

[compact oriole]

will it have to be a bis myth shield/MH to replace my 681 crafted ones? or jus any myth ones will do?

[lusty grotto]

any myth one

[candid cove]

Basically looking for highest block value

[lusty grotto]

stats are secondary to block and weapon damage

[compact oriole]

oh ok thanks

[sharp gale]

that's why i took two helmets eheheh

is it possible to sim max stacked eye of kezan ?

[vestal moat]

is it easy to switch helm enchants if we flex between prot and fury

[strong forum]

uuuuhh yeah

its just a line

which i dont know

[sharp gale]

i want to know how much it increase damage at the end

for mug

[warm plinth]

7

[undone beacon]

yeah that sounds right

Probably 7

[strong forum]

atleast 3

[undone beacon]

how many people used their dinars to buy the sick jetpack mog

[strong forum]

ive not logged on in 3 weeks

[undone beacon]

So, not Nome

[coarse latch]

My warriors only level 58

[ripe wolf]

Is there a good threat weak aura tracker? Or how can we easily track it?

[mighty valley]

I don't use anything besides Plater with plate colors for low/no threat

[lusty grotto]

MFing Rdruid

JUMPS

to the water on azerokk

...

why are 10s so fucking horrible

[undone beacon]

gotta pull those sharks

big %

[lusty grotto]

back to 9

poor fucking alt

[coarse latch]

Quaziis plater has the name plates turn like a purple ish when you have threat

[lusty grotto]

fucking horrible, 10s is a vacuum

[coarse latch]

That's what I use I bet there are other options though

[toxic pewter]

Oh god. Just came from another reddit prot warrior advice topic

Giga cringe in there

One guy said to drop ravager for bloodsurge

[lusty grotto]

oof

[jagged gust]

damn, I love getting in on those early

[toxic pewter]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/cDptmLiuF9

Actually some awful advice going on in there

[jagged gust]

holy shit

[toxic pewter]

Maybe someone wants to give better advice

[lusty grotto]

nah

[lusty grotto]

ok thats actually good advice

[toxic pewter]

Wait what did that guy even mean lol

[jagged gust]

Nim 100% scared him away with facts

[toxic pewter]

OhLOL rekt he deserves reddit then

[lusty grotto]

i most def didnt answer any of these questions

[toxic pewter]

I gotta be honest though the op made no sense with what he said

I didn’t understand it at least

[jagged gust]

Too much haste, drop ravager and spec into HR

fantastic

[mighty valley]

what are we doing, redditors

I dislike every thought stated here and every up and down vote is also bad

[lusty grotto]

there

i answered

farming downvotes from redditors

[solid sun]

The character name has Kohl in it

[jagged gust]

everyone spam upvote this, we can be the change today boys

[nocturne spindle]

gonna downvote nim just for spite

[frosty mango]

jundies profile is solid too

for plater

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/QAd12Ob.png

🙂

i wonder why hes uncomfortable

[sharp gale]

big jug enjoyer ?

i need to look at this log lmao

[lusty grotto]

he didnt link a log

he linked his character in wcl

[jagged gust]

he's doing like

50% the damage possible

[nocturne spindle]

i looked at the 13 log he had

its not terrible tbh

[jagged gust]

sub 1mil top logs

[sharp gale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Wx2D3QF4awRjnKzf?fight=3&type=damage-done
latest log

[nocturne spindle]

yea idk

the 13 motherlode im looking at isnt bad

[frosty mango]

But it isn’t good

[jagged gust]

it's better than bad

[frosty mango]

Only if you don’t think in black and white

[jagged gust]

hee hee

[lusty grotto]

maybe you guys shouldnt roast him

he actually needs advice

[solid sun]

Yeah he seems to just be asking for help

Roasting him will discourage others from wanting to ask for help

[sharp gale]

he is not "that bad" but few things are just bad

[unique gale]

hey so kinda dumb question from a newb tank, I had some bad experiences in pugs where healers wouldn't dispel the creeping shadows debuff in darkflame so aside from macroing a DISPEL ME /yell,

I also kinda really really wanna race change to dwarf or DID just for this.. plus fireblood +dps might be helpful occasionally?

But sometimes breaking out of stun is helpful when I accidentally make a mistake too so I am not sure if to stay as human or not

i could be thinking about more important things, I know..

[strong forum]

normal dwarf is more dmg

[frosty mango]

Spell reflect it

[nocturne spindle]

its a bit of a depends between nelf and dwarf being better for m+

[frosty mango]

You can drop it with a well timed reflect and leap

[nocturne spindle]

but regular dwarf is better thatn DID for the debuff one

[strong forum]

both do the same

[unique gale]

omg spell reflect works? also spell block?

[strong forum]

but dwarf is just better

[frosty mango]

Block no I don’t think, but reflect reflects it and you can use that to cause it to drop

[nocturne spindle]

reflects nad possibly parries work

[sharp gale]

spell block will not make you dodge/fade the debuff

[nocturne spindle]

blocks dont since you still take the damage

(idk specifically if parries work on this one since magic debuff)

[sharp gale]

parry + spell reflect can do the job, but if you have too many mobs you can spell reflect + leap on a candle

i have to mention healers couldn't dispel that at the start of the season, we had to run

[unique gale]

Ohhhhhh

[unique gale]

I'll try that next time, does the candle do something in particular to the debuff or you just mean might as well refresh the candle while at it

[sharp gale]

when healers couldn't dispell it, i just spell reflected + leap on a candle and wait few sec before charging back

[nocturne spindle]

no but you leap onto a candle to not be in darkness

[sharp gale]

yes it is important that you leap ON a candle

[nocturne spindle]

or you can just hold a candle and not step onto the car the whole time

i do that sometimes

[sharp gale]

when i did my 13 a month or 2 ago, i went to africa with my candle to do the room in 2 pulls

[chilly brook]

I've been typing up a dissertation

[strong forum]

dont bother

good advice isnt welcome on reddit

only "popular" takes

and comp wow is far from ACTUAL competetive plkaers

[unique gale]

thanks for candle advice lol, appreciate it all. I feel embarrassed to think I would blame healers, when this wasn't even dispellable before ...

[sharp gale]

You can blame healer

[nocturne spindle]

i mean it kind of is a healer problem now

[sharp gale]

It is healer problem now because they can dispel now

[chilly brook]

too late, I said my part, he can either listen to it or ignore it. I also just recommended he come here instead lol

[lusty grotto]

i posted several times

[nocturne spindle]

yea but

you post things like

shit advice

[tender pond]

damn nobody lookin at my log review thing

i suppose my question was too niché

[chilly brook]

I wasn't kidding about a dissertation

[sharp gale]

Im gonna shitpost on your log review

[lusty grotto]

???

[tender pond]

he didnt post shit advice

[lusty grotto]

ziddix gave horrible advice, im calling a spade a spade

its actual shit advice

i also told him to tag me here

im not gonna do what griff did

[chilly brook]

I'm fairly certain the guy isn't pressing shield charge on CD

[lusty grotto]

cause it'll 100% get downvoted

he is

or he could be

logs dont track melee range SCs

its a bug

ask Luerce

[chilly brook]

I had a lot more hits on my shield charge

in a similar key

[lusty grotto]

well its possible

[chilly brook]

and he's holding other CDs

like avatar/demo

[lusty grotto]

nome checked hes holding wall wway too much

[chilly brook]

and his ravager casts are really bad

[lusty grotto]

so its entirely possible he isnt SCing on cd, or using tier

but also, logs are bugged with it

[nocturne spindle]

to be fair the first of your comments i saw was this

[lusty grotto]

did you see what i replied to?

it is

"actual horrible advice"

literally

this

[nocturne spindle]

i never said ur wrong i said you probably posted shit advice

i was close

[tender pond]

bro admit u didnt read

but just ab it

but like

at all

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto also why would his post get removed from compwow?

[lusty grotto]

no idea

[tender pond]

karma rule probs

[chilly brook]

ah probably this lmao

imagine having that rule yeeeesh

[nocturne spindle]

i didnt read im not denying that

[lusty grotto]

i got you griff

[chilly brook]

🫡

[lusty grotto]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1kqfrl7/advice_on_colossus_prot_warrior/mt58oxi/ this is a fun subthread

[tender pond]

nimchip can i give you advice regarding giving advice to people or explaining something to people

[lusty grotto]

i dont really like to post my own shit but

[tender pond]

peepoCute

[sharp gale]

@tender pond https://www.youtube.com/live/PQQSSTqLIW8?si=eLX2PXhe3GmpkB5z&t=3101
maybe it's that (i'm not on gally yet, but i remember watching this)

[lusty grotto]

you can, i just dont go to reddit to answer this type of stuff

im def not gonna change how i do it

[tender pond]

this type of concise formulation of information works for people who know their way around wcl, but this is probably confusing someone who isn't very familiar

[lusty grotto]

ive done it for too long

right

i included the screenshot for it

precisely because i thought it would be confusing

[chilly brook]

Usually I wouldn't go to the lengths I did

but just felt like it in this instance

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lusty grotto]

also that guy isnt really looking for advice

[tender pond]

that much is fair

[lusty grotto]

this says it all

[tender pond]

we are delaying the death of the 2nd technician, ima actually check the death timer rn

[chilly brook]

I mean technically you don't

[lusty grotto]

but he falls back on 85% on logs

which is... okay

[sharp gale]

i have no clue about what's going on Gally, i'm just sending this / if this can help a lil bit

[chilly brook]

I could just never hit shield block on the last 2 bosses of ML and still have 90+% blocked hits in log

[lusty grotto]

the first guy is correct

[tender pond]

🤔

[lusty grotto]

the guy doesnt need to swap to HR

but hes correct in that he'll easily get 100% uptime with it

so why ackchually with that comment?

[sharp gale]

i think it is what it is

[lusty grotto]

im just ackchuallying the ackchually

[tender pond]

"this is incorrect"'ing his "this is incorrect" needs to be framed and put up on a wall

[lusty grotto]

i just wanted to play his game

[solid sun]

This is incorrect

Should have said, “this is incorrect. What’s your dungeon score?”

[tender pond]

clueless~1

any gallywix mythic knowers who can give input to https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1374136184841830693 are much appreciated

[worldly dust]

@lusty grotto I didn't want to do the damn picture link reddit sucks 😄

I have a tank analysis script which I remove out of combat times for but yeah.

That thread is an interesting read though lol

Is there a protection math/tc channel or a way to get access to it?

Would save me a ton of time

[lusty grotto]

right here

but we dont have scripts like that

usually people dont want in-depth stuff

[worldly dust]

All good. Just doing a round the world with the tanks and building things for them. Just got to warrior so trying to reverse math some of it.

[lusty grotto]

buff uptime is useful though

as a first glance into if youre taking back hits or not

[worldly dust]

Yeah, trying to work into block and value of the secondaries.

[lusty grotto]

these are still relevant

the problem is the actual k-value

which can be calculated through interpolation

changes from season to season

or rather increases

[worldly dust]

yeah worked that out earlier from /dump GetShieldBlock() and figured it was modding. Works like stagger/armor for the most part with stagger being diff because of the 1.13 mod applied and agi.

[lusty grotto]

yeah its similar

do you have a current k value ?

[worldly dust]

yeah, I just run the paperdoll script for it mostly

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[worldly dust]

/run local _, A = UnitArmor('player'); local r = PaperDollFrame_GetArmorReductionAgainstTarget(A) / 100; print('K ~ ', (A-r*A)/r);

[lusty grotto]

k value changes depending difficulty though

[worldly dust]

Yup

[lusty grotto]

ok gotcha

thats a very useful script

[worldly dust]

Is crit valued so high this season because of col and the feed back loop and tset for the most part or does it extend beyond that?

[strong forum]

crit is just good

always has been

[worldly dust]

So it's the same for Thane too?

[strong forum]

ye

[worldly dust]

Interesting

[strong forum]

thane likes haste just a tiny bit more

[worldly dust]

what's the short story on why mastery/vers aren't as valued on p war?

[lusty grotto]

they are valued

[chilly brook]

we been crit chads for like 4 expansions

[lusty grotto]

just to a lesser extent, they shouldnt be avoided

[strong forum]

all good

vers mastery just bad for dmg

[worldly dust]

Is it just limitations of stat budget then?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[worldly dust]

gotcha

[chilly brook]

just less valuable

still gud

hence why we gravitate towards large mastery on use trinkets

[lusty grotto]

well like everyone in this expansion

[worldly dust]

Yeah, saw sense was stacking more into mastery with ring/trinket. Couple others doing the same but seems to be a split of either giga crit/haste or lower crit for mastery

[chilly brook]

not the first time though

[lusty grotto]

moreso because of the fact that a lot of versatility based classes got fixed

like for example ret paladin

and a lot of classes got their stats fixed like WW

[chilly brook]

fix brewmaster

[worldly dust]

Right on, thanks all 🙂 I'll prob poke in from time to time with a nerdy math question.

[worldly dust]

Brew is actually not as bad as people think. It's still my fav tank atm.

[lusty grotto]

yeah we're kind of aware on that

[chilly brook]

Oh I'm aware, I've been playing it all season

but it needs a rework

[lusty grotto]

mystic touch is a huge factor though

[worldly dust]

😛 oh 🙂

[chilly brook]

also haste being worthless is so bad

[worldly dust]

Well that and the way they changed cc/kicks

I suspect they will rework it soon™️

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats... something nobody here likes

[worldly dust]

Warrior actually suprised me. I just started playing it this week and I didn't buy into the hype before but it's actually a pretty solid state atm.

[lusty grotto]

target capping is probably the worst of it all

we've always been solid

except:

[worldly dust]

😛 eyyyy

EYYYYYYY

😄

[lusty grotto]

1. SL s1
2. BFA s1
3. Legion s1

those are the only times where we've been weaker

[chilly brook]

BFA S1 was so funny

[lusty grotto]

any other season, we've been capable

[chilly brook]

like BFA S1 was super stronk tank

but then like

throw rock

[worldly dust]

This has to be one of the stronger ones of recent though no? The cc/control is pretty bonkers and the dmg is solid as well.

[lusty grotto]

and since DF, we're not weak to magic because of SR MDR and Spell Block

[chilly brook]

but everything else we were chillin

[lusty grotto]

control has been the same as in DF

[chilly brook]

Well I have news for you, nothing has changed

[worldly dust]

really

guess I've just not been on my p war in a long time 😄

[chilly brook]

Other than us gaining a knockup on Shockwave with Colossus, yeah it's the same

[worldly dust]

Feels good. I'm enjoying it.

[lusty grotto]

earthquaker has been an added bonus

i think thats the only addition

yeah what griff said

sorry "woahyer"

[chilly brook]

Peeps love to say "warrior has no utility"

until all of a sudden it's meta

[worldly dust]

Seems rather open in the talent setup too. See a good amount of variation so that's good.

[lusty grotto]

not to sell it short cause its actually very strong

hmmm

i dont think that's true

[worldly dust]

talent variation?

[chilly brook]

It's pretty set in stone

[worldly dust]

Yeah a large chunk of it but seems better than it was before, when I last saw things.

[lusty grotto]

this is what we use, with swaps

[warm plinth]

It's funny because any tank that becomes meta, their utility suddenly becomes god tier even though it never changed

[worldly dust]

interesting

[chilly brook]

biggest choice is whether you want to drop ravager or BR

[lusty grotto]

yeah i forgot i had one with the arrow to ravager

[warm plinth]

Sole exception being vdh gaining double sigil of silence

[worldly dust]

You don't consider Thunderlords viable?

[lusty grotto]

you barely TC as colossus

whatever gain you get is purely defensive and its not that impactful

you want it to align with demolishes and avatar

not desync it

[worldly dust]

Do you just let TC chill while you rav spam then?

[chilly brook]

I don't really agree with that

Sense is casting it like 9 times a minute

[lusty grotto]

no we use TC to refresh rends and in low rage situations where you're fishing for an SS

in ST

[worldly dust]

lol

[lusty grotto]

in ST, tc is more relevant

[worldly dust]

That's because they tend to run Thunderlord/Crackling

[lusty grotto]

in aoe, not so much

[worldly dust]

interesting

why is that?

[lusty grotto]

we run crackling

[jagged gust]

sims don't support it either

[lusty grotto]

just not TL

crackling is great for gathering

[chilly brook]

TL has a place I think

[lusty grotto]

troar + big tclap = good for gathering mobs

[chilly brook]

but I'm not convinced it's worth running

[worldly dust]

Why more in ST though? Rage gen or something?

[warm plinth]

By nature you're pressing it less because you dont have UF

[lusty grotto]

you revenge more in aoe, since you have huge rage gains with ravager

and since you cast it more, its likely to be refunded

with frothing

[jagged gust]

inside CDs as long as rend is on all targets for sure you spam revenge over TC

[lusty grotto]

also you get mad parries while in aoe

ST, not so much

you want to fish for SS for ST

since its your highest ST damage

easier to fish with a generator, than to waste any pooled rage that could go into SB

and/or IP if at 70+

[jagged gust]

on average though between raid ST and m+ aoe builds TC is cast on average ~once every 6 seconds, higher CPM outside of CDs, lower inside unless applying rend. That should hold true from 1 through to max sim targets.

[worldly dust]

interesting, I'll keep that in mind

[lusty grotto]

less free revenges due to one target not resulting in more parries + frothing = less revenge to reset SS

otherwise you risk rage starving which is a nono

that's the tl;dr

[worldly dust]

Appreciated 🙂

[lusty grotto]

it certainly does

for the DR

just not in any key level thats common here

im surprised sense hasn't made the switch

[chilly brook]

Sense is just built diffy

[lusty grotto]

he's certainly up there

yeah well if Sense can do it, then whatever basement key i have is doable without

[jagged gust]

For colo it isn't exactly a big uptime increase, sounds pretty feelcrafty

[lusty grotto]

it is

[chilly brook]

Nintendo where my invite to buy Switch 2?

[lusty grotto]

its chinese feelcraft

but if its worth it for the DR alone, then i can see the logic in it

[chilly brook]

idk

the math maths

It basically doubles your uptime

[lusty grotto]

you do want it for hard hitting bosses

[jagged gust]

that has to be some very specific "I need to overlap x/y/z defensives for something very particular"

[lusty grotto]

and youll be TCing on those a lot more

[chilly brook]

assuming you're casting TC 8 times a minute and it's hitting the max amount of targets

[lusty grotto]

granted with less targets yea

[chilly brook]

like I don't think it's a feelycraft thing

[lusty grotto]

but pulling into boss has big value with it

[chilly brook]

ye

[lusty grotto]

there's a lot to consider about it

but for the most part, people that ask about it dont need it

they arent in that range

[chilly brook]

It'd be real freakin nice on Big Momma

[jagged gust]

Member when they first changed the talent and it was considered bad

[lusty grotto]

BSV + defensive trinket should be enough

for what most people ask here

[chilly brook]

because it was in comparison to what we had

[lusty grotto]

on a "high key" scenario, meaning uhhh 15+ or something

[chilly brook]

never forget thunderlord legendary

[lusty grotto]

or DC

[solid sun]

Rookery double pull right before second boss

What’s supposed to be getting LOS’d

I just stand in the middle and have no clue

[chilly brook]

the chain lightning thing

[sharp gale]

The circle ?

[chilly brook]

yea

[solid sun]

The big circle that gets put on people or the big gravity circle

[sharp gale]

I discovered that in a 15 I had to heal (we didn’t pass this room)

[chilly brook]

it just chain casts

so they'll keep casting until it finally goes off

[sharp gale]

Yeah like first boss priory bleed

[solid sun]

So a new dps person los’s each time?

[chilly brook]

but if you have no CD's

might be able to LoS the leap idk

[sharp gale]

If you have no cd you have to Los

[chilly brook]

I just know the cast for sure

[sharp gale]

At one point you just get shredded

[chilly brook]

just be a warrior and reflect

[solid sun]

Hmm

If it keeps chaining until the cast goes off it doesn’t sound like losing works

So I must not understand something

[chilly brook]

I mean it does

you could just keep LoS and never have it go off

wouldn't recommend that but yeah

[sharp gale]

It does work, the point is to Los so it doesn’t one shot you + delay because there is the magnet effect AoE damage ripping you

[chilly brook]

^

[solid sun]

So if I had a ret paladin in my group and they were targeted by it, basically if they have their defensive they pop it and eat it

But if they don’t they Los and let somebody else take it

[sharp gale]

Yes

And if the next can’t take it, he Los again

[solid sun]

Alrighty that makes sense. I was thinking the cast was just never supposed to go off when I saw someone mention the Los thing

[sharp gale]

You can make it never go off, but too much of a pain imo

[lusty grotto]

you can also meld it

[sharp gale]

Because you can just do what we describe until the pack dies / it never goes off

[solid sun]

Do I ever need to worry about this umbrella skip crap

[chilly brook]

do you need to? no

[lusty grotto]

when you need to optimize for timer

[chilly brook]

is it much more efficient? yes

[solid sun]

Yeah but like if we're tryna push to a max of 15

Am I thinking about optimizing that far

[chilly brook]

then no

[lusty grotto]

probably not

its not hard to do but

not needed

[chilly brook]

it's really quite simple

[solid sun]

I don't even use umbrellas in real life

That's enough questions for one night.

ty

[inner belfry]

I have hero tome, hero eye of kezan and myth pace, what do you think it’s the best combo for raid?

[sharp gale]

Pace+tome

[lusty grotto]

what are your

[sharp gale]

Unless your fight is long enough for kezan (just set the sim time to the boss fight length)

[lusty grotto]

what are your kill times

if sub 5 mins dont consider kezan

[sharp gale]

And there are fights were the first 4 min boss damage doesn’t matter / why I asked how to fucking sim eye max stacked

[inner belfry]

We are just starting mythic this week, downed 2 bosses, Vexie was just under 7 minutes and Cauldron was 7 and a half minutes

[lusty grotto]

could be fine at those kill times

can do kezan + tome

[inner belfry]

That’s what I was using during these kills, but just bought myth pace with dinars

[solid sun]

@undone beacon bear time is gonna start soon

[undone beacon]

Good

[inner belfry]

Might as well sim

[undone beacon]

Let it be
Bear time

[lusty grotto]

ah myth pace

hmm

[lusty grotto]

remember to use the pinned apl

but yeah simming sounds like the best you could do

[inner belfry]

yea, i'll see if i know how to, kinda noob to the robot thing, but ty

[lusty grotto]

just open the bottom section and paste into the first text box

[inner belfry]

Tome + Eye is simming higher

[lusty grotto]

yeah like i mentioned

1 target 5 min sim right?

thats gonna shift for pacemaker at sub 5mins

[inner belfry]

i simmed 7 minute fight 1 target and also cleave add

[lusty grotto]

dont do 7 mins

no need for cleave add either

5 mins is more than fine

[inner belfry]

as you said, 5 minute sims tome + pace higher, but barely

[lusty grotto]

the gap will be bigger the less the fights last

and they will last less time, we're getting double buff next reset

renown buff + head enchant

if they dont... uhhh your raid could try not being afk

😎

im joking of course, its fine for 7 min first kills

reclears should def be faster though

meanwhile on rat alt land

if only i had a tank cough @solid sun

[inner belfry]

it's our first time trying mythic raiding, give us a break lol

ty for the help

[lusty grotto]

then youre off to a good start

[sharp gale]

If only you were EU Nim

[lusty grotto]

if its your first time and you got it recently, youll do fine for the rest of the fights

until you hit stix maybe

well, if you havent already

[sharp gale]

Fuck stix btw

[lusty grotto]

but yeah, what i was trying to say is

7 min fights arent really common

youll do more reclears and the kill timer will go down with each one

yeah fuck stix for sure

especially with 10 melee

i want to die every time

makes me wanna buy a boomkin from someone

[sharp gale]

The only fights that lasted over 7 min for me : vexie and cauldron
(Im on mug / he is not over 7 min)

[lusty grotto]

well thats only cause it has a hard enrage

i suppose thats why there arent a lot of 7 min fights

rik has an enrage too

i guess one of the earliest ones i mean

1ab, gally etc

[sharp gale]

I think mug was over 7-8 min but now you skip a phase + don’t see enrage by far unless billion deaths

[lusty grotto]

oh

[sharp gale]

Like bandit idk how long he was initially but I skipped 2 add set on my first kill

[lusty grotto]

man this is

100% a dead bracket

its so fucking dead

[sharp gale]

What time it is ?

[lusty grotto]

ive been at this for more than an hour

but its 11pm my time now

[sharp gale]

Shouldn’t be dead, you are the problem (being dps)

[lusty grotto]

i tried as hpal last night and it was equally dead

i really dont wanna play prot

fucking hate prot paladin

[sharp gale]

I’ll hop on my monk rn and I will insta tag a +3 at 5 am

[lusty grotto]

rather eat several hours of this shit than play prot paladin

[warm plinth]

I don't hate protpaladin but it's certainly no pwar

[lusty grotto]

i hate it

[sharp gale]

I have to convince myself to play prot paladin today because exp event goes off

[lusty grotto]

never liked it

i can play any other tank

[sharp gale]

I don’t like it too

[lusty grotto]

prot paladin is banned

[sharp gale]

I prefer BEAR over paladin

[lusty grotto]

yea

same

[warm plinth]

For me it's like pwar>ppal>druid/vdh>=bdk

[sharp gale]

EVEN BEAR YES

[warm plinth]

Can't place brew because I haven't touched it since like...legion

and it's a different beast since then

[round cliff]

brew > ppal

[lusty grotto]

yeah i like the gameplay

[sharp gale]

Im brew gaming a lil bit, Im still annoyed with button bloat

[lusty grotto]

TWW gameplay i mean

before this exp i played it in legion

same with the other tanks really

[round cliff]

unrelated to anything but im looking at mistweaver stuff and i saw megasett's control scheme and that shit is wild and i kinda wanna try it but i wont

[lusty grotto]

OMG a tank

[sharp gale]

SUCK HIM OFF

[warm plinth]

what in god's name is that monstrosity

[lusty grotto]

hold off now happy

[round cliff]

razer tartarus pro x corsair scimitar

the scimitar is goated tbf

[runic granite]

Tartarus pro is actually good

And a cool way to play

[warm plinth]

The mouse is fine, despite being corsair (I despise their software)

[round cliff]

corsair software got BETTER recently

but

its still ass

[runic granite]

Thumb to control forward backward strafe

[lusty grotto]

yeah they fixed a lot of things with icue

[runic granite]

Fixes awkward reaches for keys while you dodge swirlies

[round cliff]

honestly the tartarus pro looks more optimal than wasd but im not learning

^

[lusty grotto]

still since im buying a hall effect soonish, im moving away from corsair anyway

[sharp gale]

me with my moldy 11 y old mouse

[round cliff]

my solution to this is cramming MOST of my shit onto my scimitar

w/ modifier keys

[jagged gust]

I saw one that the movement was on a joystick kinda handrest, very interesting

[round cliff]

my defensives/cooldowns/potions/kick is on keyboard, the rest is on mouse

[warm plinth]

oh I assumed that pic was your setup

Is it not?

[round cliff]

no its megasett's

top mw monk

[warm plinth]

oh

[runic granite]

Yeah same most of my core rotation stuff is on mouse and other defensives and such on QERTFCXZ

[round cliff]

Q is ignore pain
E is shield block
R is avatar
T is character panel
F is stance swap (moldy and unused)
shift+F is spell block
C is kick
X is spell reflect
Z is mount

[warm plinth]

I would hate that setup because it's just more desk space and it would annoy me to have to swap to a completely different third peripheral to type to people

[round cliff]

well u can see in the pic its just to the left of the keeb

i can see it being fine

[runic granite]

Only downside is the “joystick” is really just a d pad and wears out fast

Azeron cyborg has true Hall effect stick but that’s a whole nother beast

[warm plinth]

I would feel crowded, and I have a massive desk lol

[round cliff]

this is why 60% keyboard maybe

[solid sun]

I'm a super tank

I'm about to do some 10's rn

[warm plinth]

lowest I could do is 80%; I use home/end/pup/pdwn in other things

[round cliff]

i was mostly worried about losing arrow keys before i realized tap layers exist

idc about those function keys, i dont text edit enough to care

[sharp gale]

my paladin is a fucking earthen

or a belf

i guess i will make a new one

[warm plinth]

I'm not sure what's happening rn

[round cliff]

wooting announced a new 60% coming out in q4 this year

[lusty grotto]

im back to 8s

[round cliff]

w/ a split spacebar

and i kinda rly want it

[lusty grotto]

healer decided to go into tornadoes

[round cliff]

im willing to learn 60% for it

[lusty grotto]

i brezzed

he waited

[rain light]

tried some prot finally, I like pre recent changes better

[warm plinth]

what's to learn

[lusty grotto]

got tornado'd again

[rain light]

spec feels slow

[round cliff]

mostly just not having arrow keys, and actually making use of the split spacebar

spacebar is split into 3 w/ the middle key being a fn key

very useful, if u remember to use it

which i wont at first

[lusty grotto]

ret healed all i could

people rotted

ggs

[warm plinth]

99% of the times I've used the fn key in my life was to undo the fn lock after accidentally enabling the fn lock

[round cliff]

fn key is like hardware opie addon if u think about it

thats goated

[warm plinth]

Am I the only person who almost exclusively uses the num row for numbers? I never understood why I'd use the numpad outside of like, hardcore data entry that's all numbers XD

[round cliff]

fucked up thing is that's the correct way to do it

numpad is literally for hardcore data entry

[lusty grotto]

i do numpad but im abandoning it as soon as i get an 80%

[round cliff]

i was gonna ease myself in at 80% butttt

[lusty grotto]

i already got used to a 73% @ work

[round cliff]

i want

that fn key

so ill go all the way

[warm plinth]

I can use a numpad fine if I have to, but my first prolonged exposure to keyboards was when I was playing EQOA, so I had the keyboard on my lap, making the numpad very awkward

[round cliff]

in other news the funny shoes i ordered showed up today and theyre so comfy

[warm plinth]

so I just always used the num row

[round cliff]

they only look slightly like boats

[warm plinth]

That would drive me crazy because my thumb naturally hits there on the space bar a lot of the time

[round cliff]

my thumb rests hard left on spacebar

so im good w it

ive got hardcore hitchhiker's thumb so if my thumb is straight (where the middle of spacebar would be) it literally goes underneath the spacebar

so ive always had thumb curled in to hit space while wasding, which makes it rest on the left

[warm plinth]

Hm, tbf I use my right thumb most of the time for the spacebar; never noticed that before lol

and with my right, it's far enough over that I don't think it would hit it

[round cliff]

when i type i hit space with my left hand

its wrong but i learned how to wasd before i learned how to type so

[long bronze]

now I get to play the game

[round cliff]

im disturbed by your boots not color matching

try on m nathria boots

idk if it'd be better or not

[warm plinth]

It's not wrong; generally you use the thumb on your dominant hand...but I use the wrong one 👀

I'm a lefty, so using my right thumb is apparently weird.

[round cliff]

im a righty but also i do everything except mouse and write with my left hand

im fucked

left hand is my phone hand

[warm plinth]

interesting

[round cliff]

phone stays in the left pocket

[warm plinth]

Wait, what hand do you use scissors for

with

not for

[round cliff]

whichever is most convenient

right by default

[warm plinth]

I don't think the phone thing is that weird

I know a lot of people who pre-dominantly use their non-dominant hand for their phone

I use my right, and it goes in my right pocket

despite being left-handed

[ocean bloom]

what should i send for my next craft?

i was thinking neck

just for biggest ilvl jump

[round cliff]

biggest ilvl would be ring

[warm plinth]

I would go for biggest ilevel for sure

I always craft that way

[lusty grotto]

yeah neck is fine

[warm plinth]

Unless I don't have max ilevel shield/weapon anyway

[round cliff]

biggest ilvl doesnt feel right for me for sum reason

[warm plinth]

Bruh

[round cliff]

i mean for me specifically rn

[lusty grotto]

its literally why you craft

[round cliff]

not in general

[warm plinth]

I just read a cursed post where a guy with a split space bar rebound half of it to backspace lol

[round cliff]

goated

what addon should i use for character panel stats

[long bronze]

craft neck or get your ass in cinderbrew till your eyes bleed

[round cliff]

what we usin these days

[warm plinth]

I use(d) Deja

I guess I should go beddy bye

gn all

[round cliff]

heres what i got

ig rings is the obvious answer

but it feels wrong

[long bronze]

craft neck

unless that's a 2/8 myth neck

[round cliff]

nop

hero

also i have 4 sparks

unused

[long bronze]

there's like 1 shot getting good neck in vault, the other option you could craft is boots or chest which have more chances

but yeah just craft everything at this point

not like you're wasting anything

technically your biggest upgrade rn is prob chest

which you could use to swap off ascendance which I assume you have on

[round cliff]

i dont

all i have rn is 1 duskthread

[long bronze]

then craft a chest and put on another

[timid nacelle]

Quick one, how do you guys go with multiple pack gathers and threat, eg: workshop, priory etc. I seem to be really struggling particularly with druid healers. I'll charge into a pack, thunderclap and maybe revenge or 2 depending on rage levels and then move to the next one. But often it's not enough if the druid healer is throwing out hots early to get them rolling, or even had a dps rip threat with a single ability. I spec ravager and thunderous roar but not always up. I can slow the gather building more threat on each group but can make it worse if trying to get everything together to be able to start rolling aoe stops

[round cliff]

healer problem unironically

threat is a mechanic in the game rn

if they dont let u gather thats on them

[long bronze]

also play big clap

[round cliff]

what should i drop for big clap

🤔

[long bronze]

dpeends on what you have

[round cliff]

rally...

[long bronze]

I mean that's an option but you probably have something else that's a bette option to drop

[round cliff]

dont tell me to drop overwhelming rage ..

i know its bad..

[long bronze]

drop the bonus rage

it's worthless

[round cliff]

i rage starve instantly without it

😔

[long bronze]

what

that doesn't make any sense

it just makes the cap higher it doesn't make you generate more

[round cliff]

yea

[long bronze]

literally means you aren't pressing your buttons

[round cliff]

they're on cooldown how am i supposed to press em

[sharp gale]

one day

[round cliff]

dont tell me you've never gone a full 6 revenge presses with 0 resets before

cuz its the norm for me

[long bronze]

I mean it probably happens but not often enough to mention

not to mention SS CD isn't that long

[round cliff]

yea i press ss, it goes on cd, and proceeds to not reset

again

[ocean bloom]

i usualyl start prioing clap more once im under like 20rage

[round cliff]

yea same

they dont reset it either

[ocean bloom]

but that might just be bad play

[long bronze]

I mean it's fine

just don't outburst TC

[round cliff]

ill drop overwhelming rage... just to try it

[ocean bloom]

i dont try to usually lol usually i outburst tc on accident when i queue a tc and then IP or Block

and bam

[round cliff]

what abt in raid

dont need big clap there

[long bronze]

so you don't take big clap

[round cliff]

but do i take rage

[long bronze]

no

[round cliff]

second wind then

[long bronze]

I usually take fast footwork

[round cliff]

doesnt stack w/ gem

[long bronze]

or honed reflexes

I use crit gem

[round cliff]

my ass doesnt care abt the 1% crit or w/e it gives total

[long bronze]

it gives crit damage

[ocean bloom]

its crit dmg

[long bronze]

its a few thousand dps

[round cliff]

still

[long bronze]

so your goal is to ask what to change and then defend all your current choices because you don't want to change them

okay

weird strategy to improve but I've seen weirder

[round cliff]

nome doesnt take fast footwork either

im not asking abt that

[timid nacelle]

Thanks. I'm going to try out big clap, I barely use intervene as colossus, so seems like a decent trade off

[long bronze]

nom also doesn't raid tank so I don't really know what to tell you

[sharp gale]

nome didnt log to the game since 3 weeks

[long bronze]

regardless that point is basically a floater, but extra rage has essentially no value where the other options are at least something. It's nothing impactful in raid in the slightest so do what you want

[ocean bloom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vm1nLYyHhjr9GAQ2?fight=7&view=replay&position=110987 so from about 1:00 - 1:50 i was scared for my life here, im still learning this version of prot warr and im still gearing a decent bit, i know the major ideas but just looking for some tips making the swap to tank for my guild

[long bronze]

I think you need to figure out why you rage starve if you don't have a cap of 130 rage because you're doing something very wrong

[round cliff]

idk what i could possibly be doing wrong

[long bronze]

that's the spirit

[round cliff]

i press ss on cd, i press clap when below 60, i dont press IP unless im gonna overcap w/ my next press

im just unlucky w/ resets and go from full rage bar to empty w/ revenge alone

occasionally

but more than i'd like

[ocean bloom]

no one is lucky/unlucky on resets in general

on specific pulls maybe

[round cliff]

negativity bias means i remember those more

[timid nacelle]

Worth considering mountain thane instead of colossus? Any better on threat generation?

[sharp gale]

it is easier threat because you have more claps

[long bronze]

you do less damage though so that's a big crutch

[sharp gale]

but -20% AoE damage L

[long bronze]

you're 660

[next pasture]

do you think i get value out of FBV on 17 ML specifically for 3rd boss? is the healing noticeable?

[round cliff]

its still gonna oneshot ur IP

no matter what u do

[long bronze]

you let 15% of the meless coming into you between 0:55 and 1:45 go unblocked

you got up to 8 stacks of mean mug

I'd be a bit scarred too

[round cliff]

battle scarred

veteran

ha

[ocean bloom]

yeah i think i let a few of them get behind me on accident atleast it looks like i didnt drop SB

[long bronze]

in general though you're sending too much rage into IP

you have 366 casts of revenge in a 25:36 min cinderbrew, I had 488 in 23:37

[ocean bloom]

oh shit okok

[slender bison]

You're comparing same key lvl?

[long bronze]

yes both 12s

[lusty grotto]

@solid sun is the new Sense

[ocean bloom]

what about rage gen

am i hitting similar number of slams?

[solid sun]

LOL

[long bronze]

you had 15352 I had 14525 which is probably the 2 min timer diff

slams look good

[ocean bloom]

and if i get more revenges might equal more slams too

[long bronze]

you are also pressing the fuck out TC

[ocean bloom]

yeah im still trying to unlearn that

[long bronze]

[ocean bloom]

last time i played prot revenge was bad LOL

[lusty grotto]

i mean its still bad

as thane

[ocean bloom]

yeah but thane does no dmg lol

although the flow of thane feels real nice