oh ur a bear tank
#protection
undone beacon
im not a large hairy gay man, im twink so, bear tank ye
glad jacinth
thank you all 🙂
undone beacon
btw is it true that ur tier set can shift you into cat form
sometimes but only nerds play DotC
sharp gale
oh ur a bear tank
And I’m a furry player
jagged gust
Yous a twonk
ebon linden
Would you guys play Funhouse Lense hero Track ?
dense mango
and a blood elf
undone beacon
banned
undone beacon
Would you guys play Funhouse Lense hero Track ?
if you have nothing better
ebon linden
jagged gust
Lens is insanely good
undone beacon
I only play goblins, and 1 highmountain tauren for druid
sharp gale
Lens is goated trinket
undone beacon
Ohh I got lens and relic confused
Yeah lens is great
Not the uhhh combat buff where u get big or small
Amorphous relic?
sharp gale
but delves
jagged gust
I do my 3 a week for the 40 crests, just get lucky 🙂
undone beacon
sadge no myth delve trinkets
sharp gale
FORTUNATELY
dense mango
oh yeah
undone beacon
MORE DELVES
sharp gale
No myth delve trinket
undone beacon
WAITER WAITER MORE DELVES
dense mango
im not a fan that we're gonna have to do overcharged delves
for the belt
like dude
undone beacon
belt might not be worth for tanks, yeah?
jagged gust
I'd rather delves than run a pug 10
undone beacon
No fuckin stam
sharp gale
Im fine, it will take 30 min so idc
jagged gust
Stam is for classic andys
undone beacon
Delve belt makes me mad cuz im using Adrenal Surge Belt on da bear >:c
solid sun
No fuckin stam
But main stat at 700 ilvl
charred ivy
what did u guys pick from cartel chips? im between HC jastor diamond orEye of kezan ( i have mythic pacemaker already)
heavy hazel
even more reasons to split up stuff to the core content trees, raid, m+, pvp, delvs. So we dont have to interact in stuff thats not fun
undone beacon
what did u guys pick from cartel chips? im between HC jastor diamond orEye of ke...
neither
nocturne spindle
myth book
jagged gust
Sprocket cloak for mog
nocturne spindle
zug zug
solid sun
Myth tome
undone beacon
Myth Tome, Hero Bombsuit are the two go-tos
sharp gale
Nothing
grizzled orbit
do we craft shield first
jagged gust
Ye
undone beacon
do we craft shield first
yes
charred ivy
ah right tome
undone beacon
Shield > All
charred ivy
i dont understand tome xD
nocturne spindle
make tome go sword
grizzled orbit
shield->wep or shield->second emb
nocturne spindle
do damage
jagged gust
Press tome when not in sword
nocturne spindle
smile
undone beacon
u hit it when its on shield side to make it go sword, then go brrrr
There are some ez WAs to track it
charred ivy
oh kk il go for this then i guess + pacemaker
sharp gale
heavy hazel
jagged gust
Pacemaker is aight, works on all 3 specs to some degree
undone beacon
Pacemaker is a great set-and-forget value stick
grizzled orbit
What rank are prot warrior in m+ now days
nocturne spindle
the not a purple boi rank
jagged gust
Not meta
nocturne spindle
purple bois are like 80% of meta runs
grizzled orbit
can do 15-16s?
nocturne spindle
and then everyone else splits the 20%
jagged gust
Anyone can, but gl getting an invite
undone beacon
and VDH
jagged gust
Vdh
grizzled orbit
thats sad
jagged gust
That's meta
grizzled orbit
guess i stick to my 12s
jagged gust
Way she goes
undone beacon
Look at the io disparity
grizzled orbit
when are blizz doing all rep acc bound
sharp gale
can do 15-16s?
Can do a 19 if you look at the MDI 
heavy hazel
you can still push as war
undone beacon
^
jagged gust
Oh em gee
crude notch
don't even need to look at the mdi, yoda has timed 20s on his pwar
sharp gale
Okok
undone beacon
yoda is not an accurate reflection of the meta tho just sayin
jagged gust
Good for him, I knew he'd get a handle on war eventually
sharp gale
Like Ellesmere for hpal
grizzled orbit
prot warr is the most fun tho
crude notch
yoda is not an accurate reflection of the meta tho just sayin
no one said he is
grizzled orbit
most fun dps in m+? 😄
sharp gale
today
grizzled orbit
we need more rage as warr., and we be meta
solid sun
I think we need the ability to dual wield glaives personally
Hard to beat double glaive gameplay
undone beacon
tru
sharp gale
we need utility copium music starts
nocturne spindle
doubl shield warrior build
every block is a crit block
but we also block external heals
its just all mitigation
you get one health bar per dungeon
sharp gale
with my 16k mastery, every other block is a crit block
undone beacon
this is eclipse 8, all damage is permanent until the next dungeon
undone beacon
bdks weeping
sharp gale
in parry we trust
solid sun
Idk why vdh gets picked over pwar. Tbh I thought it was because more people were used to playing it from recent patches
So it was easier to keep it moving
undone beacon
Something something util something something useful group buff
lusty grotto
caster group
undone beacon
Chaos Brand puts in work with the meta comp
if the comp was like, MM hunter Outlaw Rogue and uhhh idk WW monk, Pwar would be a lot more notable
Feral druid?
Pwar, Rdruid, MM Hunter, Outlaw Rogue, WW Monk
God's sexiest physical comp
ocean bloom
outlaw target cap is rough lol
nocturne spindle
but
muh shammy buff
wouldnt you still want uhdk in a melee group
it still scales from ap stuff
mighty valley
comp + inertia
nocturne spindle
lmao okay
mighty valley
stinky, nasty
mighty valley
true. they should buff fdk 1000%
wild chasm
Do we believe Yoda that Fueled by Violence is better than Brutal Vitality or nah?
sharp gale
sense made some test/math
lusty grotto
Do we believe Yoda that Fueled by Violence is better than Brutal Vitality or nah...
no
solid sun
Pretty sure it was closer than we thought but BV still won
ocean bloom
it sounds like one of those decisions thats close and doesnt matter that much compared to better play
mighty valley
brv still seems better but it's close enough that if selecting fbv gave you a placebo effect that made you "feel" better
sure, go for it
lusty grotto
both are bugged
wild chasm
I was just surprised that he is playing and advertising it in his talents video
lusty grotto
also
ocean bloom
i mean he is timing top keys so if you copy his strats it should work
lusty grotto
as in FbV ticks are 110% but overall 85% like arms version
and demolish isnt contributing to BrV
wild chasm
Same way I wonder if dropping ravager for Thunderlord would be okay for all keys
lusty grotto
so they both have weird interactions
ionic fern
wild chasm
Because I feel like I'm starved for rage early in most pulls if I don't play ravager
grizzled orbit
what key u think i can tank with my prot 630? 😛
lusty grotto
we wouldnt recommend ropping ravager
solid sun
I think that logic is flawed
lusty grotto
there's only ONE reason to play Tlord and thats to have demo for the DR, which isn't often considering you dont tclap as much
solid sun
Yoda and his situation are not the same as you and your situation, so copying what he does won’t necessarily yield similar results
wild chasm
i mean he is timing top keys so if you copy his strats it should work
Yes and no, I'm not playing with the people he is, so if I have worse people in terms of defensives/healing/stops, not everything will work out
wild chasm
That on top
lusty grotto
your damage intake isnt his
ocean bloom
i really do like taking interuptting roar for pugs tho
ocean bloom
shit feels so strong when you are worried about kicks
lusty grotto
as colossus
wild chasm
It isn't, but I feel like I'm really vulnerable for some pulls, like bleeds in Motherload, 1st boss in Priory, 1st room in Meadery and so on
ruby elm
guys apologies for bothering with all the questions for simming, but where do i put the simulationcraft thing in my wow files - so i can do /simc?
lusty grotto
nothing yoda suggests will bandaid proper play
solid sun
The best way to fix areas where you feel vulnerable is to log your runs and bring them here and ask these doofuses for help
patent scroll
guys apologies for bothering with all the questions for simming, but where do i ...
If doing manually, folder goes into World of Warcraft\_retail_\Interface\AddOns
patent scroll
Also possible 
lusty grotto
seems like it
wild chasm
Yeah, but I'm just looking around for tips on fixing that. I was trying priory 16 the other day and even though I was rotating all my cds for each bleed, the healer ran out of heals kinda, at around 20ish % boss hp and I died at around 3% of boss' hp, where I had SW from avatar ending middle of the dot, demolish (I know it's just 10%) going and people told me I should've walled, where boss was about to die/I wouldn't have anything for next bleed if it occured
lusty grotto
if it occured?
you have Bigwigs for a reason
you know exactly when it will occur
and he has a cast bar for it
frosty mango
You will never not have a cd for pierce
solid sun
If you had shield wall available and you died that’s definitely an oopsie I’d say. Never good to die when a relevant defensive was available
frosty mango
If you are playing properly
wild chasm
To be honest I didn't track it, it was about to end and the boss was about 150 million hp. Some groups could burn it down, with some I would get it just before it died
grizzled orbit
is it worth to do more then l8 dlves?
lusty grotto
depends if you need gilded
frosty mango
You get a free 15 gildeds from your first t11
grizzled orbit
i do, dunno if i can do 11 at 640 prot
wild chasm
T11 give you gilded crests 3 times a week, achieves aaaaaand that's about it
frosty mango
Well it’s a quest
frosty mango
i do, dunno if i can do 11 at 640 prot
You can easily do t11
grizzled orbit
its the weekly quest?
frosty mango
Just get dps brann and go demolish it
frosty mango
its the weekly quest?
One time, it’s an item that drops at the end
lusty grotto
the keystone thing? its weekly
frosty mango
Is it?
lusty grotto
i think so
grizzled orbit
oh lets try a 11 then, brann dps?
frosty mango
You should need a healer
strong forum
?
grizzled orbit
healer or dps brann? 😮
solid sun
We already defended your honor, nome
grizzled orbit
grizzled orbit
y his hsit
lusty grotto
its fine
frosty mango
Use healer brann imo
lusty grotto
nah he can dps
its not like they are gonna take damage as tank
healer brann as tank is kind of a waste
grizzled orbit
this is fine for curioo?
frosty mango
Is stance dancing even a thing
frosty mango
this is fine for curioo?
Don’t use pinged for tank
strong forum
tanking is easy enough
lusty grotto
this is fine for curioo?
loot r rang for last or bio printer
frosty mango
Use the turret or bio printer
grizzled orbit
aiit wish me gl
frosty mango
when bio printer prints you a 2nd brann
Tbh dps brann is already shit so getting a second one is just double depressing
dense mango
dense mango
tank brann is so bad
frosty mango
Blizz won’t fix my warrrrr
nocturne spindle
i mean delves stinky
urban bane
the true War Within revealed
frosty mango
My guy is still bugged and rolling
lusty grotto
whats wrong with it
nocturne spindle
but whenever i do that bran does like 1.5m dps
frosty mango
Rolling constantly
lusty grotto
thats not a bug, thats a feature
thorn patio
Are there sims out for corruption, is it just going to be boring void ritual for us?
frosty mango
Got bugged in a delve yesterday and at first it was funny but now it’s annoying
strong forum
Tbh dps brann is already shit so getting a second one is just double depressing
better than healer or tank brann
tank brann is entirely unplayable
frosty mango
better than healer or tank brann
Tank brann destroys on mistweaver lol
undone beacon
tank brann makes me want a gun+shield tank
lusty grotto
tank brann owns delves as healer
round cliff
tank brann is for healers
lusty grotto
shit is so easy
undone beacon
I wanna fuckin shoot a bitch with a shotgun and then hide behind my shield
round cliff
tank brann makes me want a gun+shield tank
doom slayer tank when
frosty mango
Literally spinning crane kick the entire delve as brann does 2m dps and deletes everything
solid sun
I’m not sure this channel could handle yogi if we became slayers
strong forum
tank brann is buffed for healers
frosty mango
Just give me shaman tank and I can die happy
lusty grotto
ye
dense mango
i know this is like
lusty grotto
this is true
dense mango
the most beaten to death take
frosty mango
for anyone else tank brann is USELESS
I thought that was what he was for?
frosty mango
dps use healer, healer uses tank, tank uses dps
dense mango
strong forum
I thought that was what he was for?
shamans literally cant do delves
unless you go resto
frosty mango
Ok fair trying to delve as shadow is shit
solid sun
Why
strong forum
cuz they arent tanky enough
frosty mango
Because you die way faster than brann throws potions
undone beacon
is that a shadow priest or a sticky mess?!
strong forum
if you dont play tank
you basically cant solo delves
unless ig you have pet aura
from being a monk
frosty mango
Delving pretty easy as mm
strong forum
pet aura
frosty mango
No pet
solid sun
Ret paladin can’t solo delves?
strong forum
you still have the pet aura
frosty mango
Just shitloads of dps lol
strong forum
pet aura means you buff pets
lusty grotto
way harder than just going holy or prot
strong forum
and non-pet classes
dont have pet aura
dks, hunters, monks have pet auras
cuz uh they summon pets that fight and need to live
undone beacon
yes go guardian
solid sun
You wouldn’t do that
strong forum
but delves as anything but tank have been pure ass
undone beacon
facts
strong forum
and not doable
frosty mango
i could also just be eloquently yapping out of my ass
But your name is orange so we believe you
strong forum
for 99%
strong forum
not from my experience but i only tried delves on my rsham week 1 of xpac
when brann didnt exist
as in bugged to high heavens
beyond that ive not touched delves on my shaman
or dragon
and my WL has done 1x t8 delve
rest can go fuck itself
shit system
lusty grotto
i did 11s last night with my pally whos 640, was easy as fuck
strong forum
why
lusty grotto
for gilded
also wanted to get back into healing so i figured try it out on delves
i did like the 3 for gilded then hopped on keys
strong forum
what level is your brann
lusty grotto
80 lol
lusty grotto
well you get a fuckload of exp now cause of the event or w/e
undone beacon
level 42 brann, what a fuckin noob
strong forum
and theres no reason to do them
undone beacon
strip him of his status, let a REAL DELVE GAMER run the show
jagged gust
Delves over pugs
undone beacon
All guides are delve focused now
undone beacon
TRUE
lusty grotto
yeah i mean there's no reason to do that if you got an entry point into keys
strong forum
for loot? 4 per day if you have keys
grizzled orbit
for crest?
jagged gust
Runed are infinite tho
nocturne spindle
someone was saying running the one delve for runed crests and buying gilded might actually be the fastest gilded farm
lusty grotto
could be
nocturne spindle
since that one delve in undermine literally takes single digit minutes
if you wanna suffer
undone beacon
whats the max runed u get from a non-bounty t11?
lusty grotto
5
undone beacon
And its 45 to trade up to 15
jagged gust
Ain't no way it's 5
ripe wolf
Hello guys, just started to tank and sometimes I pull and open with thunder clap and still lose aggro, is there anything I can do after this to keep aggro?
lusty grotto
doing the dumb role achievement for all 11s
undone beacon
9 sidestreets, 5 mins a sidestreet, 15 gilded in 45 mins?
at that point run a 12
20 in 30 mins ez
lusty grotto
Hello guys, just started to tank and sometimes I pull and open with thunder clap...
are you thane or are you colossus
use Troar with clap
undone beacon
Troar sounds like a shitty fratboy name
lusty grotto
you sound like a shitty fratboy name
undone beacon
"I can't believe Troar broke up with Bethephany"
lusty grotto
🙂
ripe wolf
are you thane or are you colossus
Colossus
grizzled orbit
oh i got 7 glided from that run
lusty grotto
talent crackling
undone beacon
you sound like a shitty fratboy name
damn, u rite
jagged gust
Don't forget revenge applies aoe deep wounds, if you're gathering multiple packs getting everything bleeding first helps hold aggro
lusty grotto
you cant compete with dps that have higher ilvl weapons
if they gap you in gear, you will lose agro
but especially weapons
ripe wolf
Ty guys, def didn't know that
lusty grotto
thats why first 2 crafts should be shield and weapon
and then replaced by myth tracks
ilvl > all on both
for different reasons
ripe wolf
thats why first 2 crafts should be shield and weapon
Gotcha, thanks!
hollow patio
I just tanked some heroic stuff for the first time. On Lockenstock I thought "Neat, my demolish lines up with the knockback". So I channel demolish during the knockback and I still get knocked. "Immune to stuns, knockbacks and forced movement effects" my ass. I feel like the knockback cancel doesn't work half the time. On the bee boss in cinderbrew it doesn't work aswell afaik.
strong forum
nobody is save from that knockback
its a 100% unavoidable knockback
on that specific boss 🙂
jagged gust
Unless you're a scewup
toxic pewter
Can dk death advance work on that
strong forum
no
nobody can pre-immune the knockback in lockenfstokcebn
you HAVE to use your stuff right after the push
aka gateway/leap/charge
jagged gust
nobody can pre-immune the knockback in lockenfstokcebn
Nomer switching to German mid sentence
toxic pewter
Lol
jagged gust
Easier to remember tbh
spice iron
On the reflect spreadsheet, it says that Mudslide is reflectable on Swampface, is this like a 100% consistent thing to crank out extra damage, or an "oh shit" type of deal?
strong forum
no clue
i never tried
thats a bigass frontal id rather not try to tank
cuz it stuns iirc
slender bison
Man, hope Priory doesn't get in S3. Dailcry is a mess of a boss. Perfect SB/IP/Spell reflect uptime for 2:23m and I was still at deaths door
lusty grotto
i just want tome
lusty grotto
ara kara blows
slender bison
Void take u all
lusty grotto
dailcry and the excessive number of casters is priory's cons
if those are altered...
its a good dungeon
meanwhile ara kara isnt
undone beacon
give me seat of the triumvirate and nothing else
seat season
season of the seat
seat + phys god comp, there perfect season, yw blizz
patent scroll
With or without the bugs
slender bison
We'll have also Shrine of the "gg nt"
solid sun
Shrine is great
lusty grotto
we have spell block now
chilly brook
Shrine is great
shrine is gross
chilly brook
it is
solid sun
They worked really hard on that temple
chilly brook
like 2nd worst dungeon for me that expansion not even counting whether warrior was good at it
lusty grotto
i liked shrine
solid sun
I thought it had great atmosphere and ambience
lusty grotto
it was only bad because of magic damage
solid sun
I thought the enemies were neat
chilly brook
grody linear dungeon
lusty grotto
plenty of decent pulls
slender bison
Freehold is all time favourite from BFA
lusty grotto
mini bosses were kinda ass
chilly brook
tentacles were ass
slender bison
And Underrot
chilly brook
last boss gross
chilly brook
2nd boss sucks
lusty grotto
the DF version did make it good though
solid sun
Freehold was also good, but Underrot was yuck
chilly brook
I liked under rot
slender bison
Underrot mushroom boss lmao
solid sun
Underrot got better with that one affix with the portal things
slender bison
AD is too easy
lusty grotto
griff a lot of what youre thinking of is kinda non-relevant with new things like telegraphs
solid sun
They did and made it worse
jagged gust
I 100% cleared the entirety of AD in a 22 and we still 2 chested it
slender bison
I 100% cleared the entirety of AD in a 22 and we still 2 chested it
In DF?
lusty grotto
BFA AD was better
lusty grotto
DF AD was meh
solid sun
DF AD < BFA AD
lusty grotto
DF UR > BFA UR, though
jagged gust
I don't remember the diff
solid sun
I wouldn’t mind doing halls of atonement again
slender bison
They also removed the shadow mobs rogues in DF AD
lusty grotto
uhh
toxic pewter
Tol dagor one of the coolest dungeons they ever made
toxic pewter
I mean it’s a prison
solid sun
TD was actually very cool
toxic pewter
It bad ass
chilly brook
TD was fine
solid sun
Pulling through walls sucked though
chilly brook
the only reason TD was bad was because of bugs
jagged gust
Aesthetically pretty neat dungeon fo sho
lusty grotto
TD was NOT fine
toxic pewter
Also kings rest was so cool. Bfa dungeons owned hard
solid sun
That werewolf boss was so sick
lusty grotto
sanguine TD was shit
slender bison
Temple of Snek without the orb RP would be cool too
chilly brook
sanguine TD was shit
I mean sanguine in general was bad lol
lusty grotto
but it was especially bad in TD
chilly brook
and any other tight corridor dungeon
lusty grotto
also wall agroing like Rhino said
toxic pewter
Yah wall issues were awful
chilly brook
I can't blame the dungeon for a poorly designed affix
lusty grotto
sorry id take KR any day over TD
mighty valley
i didn't go deep on bfa m+ and my only memory of shrine was someone dropping a sanguine pool on one of those tentacles
Wasn't Good
toxic pewter
They need to bring til tagor back with fixed walls. Would go down as one of the most loved dungeons in wow m+ history
chilly brook
BLIZZARD WHERE IS MY MOP BETA INVITE?
toxic pewter
Right
That’s why I think bringing it back may actually go down really well if they fixed walls
chilly brook
That’s why I think bringing it back may actually go down really well if they fix...
already fixed iirc
lusty grotto
its fine
solid sun
Those bosses farmed pug groups too
chilly brook
didn't we already have TD back in rotation?
toxic pewter
already fixed iirc
Oh even better
lusty grotto
didn't we already have TD back in rotation?
nop
toxic pewter
Siege of boralus
lusty grotto
siege AD UR FH Work Junkyard
toxic pewter
I don’t recall td in m+ since bfa
frosty mango
If they bring back Tol bullshit I’m quitting
chilly brook
frosty mango
Delete that dungeon from existence
chilly brook
It was in Fated season
ocean bloom
thats actual season 4 of BFA lol
lusty grotto
since literally BFA
toxic pewter
What in the world
solid sun
Tettles has really done something to you, Griff
ocean bloom
i think tight quarters like that in general arnt great for wow
solid sun
Stop drinking the moonkin water
chilly brook
Stop drinking the moonkin water
More like stop working a soul sucking job
lusty grotto
siege AD UR FH Work Junkyard
these are the BFA dungeons that have made comebacks
or have showed up outside of BFA, rather
solid sun
Bfa was pretty solid. Corruption and the neck things was so awesome once they added in a few QoL fixes
pallid quiver
i think tight quarters like that in general arnt great for wow
as a cow, i agree
It's a shame, since it does limit the kind of locales we can visit
lusty grotto
KR, SotS, TD, ToS havent returned
ocean bloom
oh not SOTS
lusty grotto
where sethraliss was only good because of tornado reflect
and had an actual decent HPS boss
but also stupidly scaled
on higher keys
pallid quiver
I think wow should just borrow dungeons from other mmos for next season
It'd be funny
toxic pewter
Need to bring back some shadowlands dungeons
slender bison
Bfa was pretty solid. Corruption and the neck things was so awesome once they ad...
The grind was atrocious. Bad powers drop? Farm it again
toxic pewter
Yah
toxic pewter
Didn’t tazavesh comeback or something
lusty grotto
nvm, 3: NW, ToP, Mists
toxic pewter
Oh right
lusty grotto
tazavesh didnt
lusty grotto
not outside of SL at least
solid sun
Gimme the plague one, Taz, and atonement
slender bison
I want Uldaman back. Sick atmosphere, dangerous trash, big pulls and killer bosses
lusty grotto
any other season wasnt though
solid sun
I thoroughly enjoyed my time in SL
toxic pewter
Yeah I am often on pro sl side but I can’t deny it had a lot of issues
lusty grotto
ok yall just baiting now
toxic pewter
But season 3 and 4 was fun
lusty grotto
Uldaman...
solid sun
My favorite two raids were in SL
pallid quiver
I liked Uldaman aestheticslly, which is the main deciding factor for me on if a dungeon is good or not
slender bison
Uldaman...
Ok it was long, but fun. Lots of pug checks
toxic pewter
Df dungeons unfortunately seem sort of forgettable to me I forgot most of them as I type this. War within even moreso I think
lusty grotto
Ok it was long, but fun. Lots of pug checks
no it wasnt
5 boss dungeons need to disappear for ever
this isnt about difficulty
its way too fucking long
slender bison
Df dungeons unfortunately seem sort of forgettable to me I forgot most of them a...
The big ones were fun. The dawn ones
toxic pewter
Yah mega dungeons I love
slender bison
The hyaena one was horrible
solid sun
Mega dungeons are great
slender bison
Too much poison bullshit
solid sun
Bring back diremaul as a modern mega dungeon
toxic pewter
I think 10 man raids would be cool to bring back and yeah I know scaling etc but something about ten people is fun in my opinion. Two tanks two healers.
pallid quiver
5 boss dungeons need to disappear for ever
Understood, we're adding in an 8 boss dungeon
lusty grotto
thats just a mega dungeon
deft raptor
how far is thane behind colossus in m+?
lusty grotto
ok that sounds fine
undone beacon
tiral of the crusader
pallid quiver
No pulling trash onto boss, either
lusty grotto
boss rush
undone beacon
trial*
slender bison
Bring back diremaul as a modern mega dungeon
I'm surprised they added Floodgate. Like they seem to be on budget mode on how much to invest in reworking dungeons
pallid quiver
And half the bosses are like rookery last boss
slender bison
Easier to take a M+ tuned one and tweak the numbers
lusty grotto
its cause most of their reworks have been pure fucking ass, except for Underrot
pallid quiver
i had a decent idea until i poisoned it
lusty grotto
and GB
undone beacon
8 bosses picked randomly each run from the enitre dungeon pool
pallid quiver
its cause most of their reworks have been pure fucking ass, except for Underrot
I was fine with Jade Temple, personally
undone beacon
Thats just fuckin
Ascension's Manastorms
lusty grotto
hmmm ok fine Luerce, TJS was okay
solid sun
TJS until the very end
pallid quiver
I don't think throne of the tides was too good mechanically, but I still love that dungeon aesthetically
solid sun
Very end of TJS was brutal
slender bison
tiral of the crusader
That raid was based. No trash. Just boss after boss
lusty grotto
thrones was ass, vortex was pure fiery diarrhea ass
pallid quiver
That raid was based. No trash. Just boss after boss
PvP boss
Your average wow player loses their mind
lusty grotto
absolute worst dungeon
pallid quiver
I like Vortex aesthetically, too
lusty grotto
every one agrees
solid sun
I think 10 man raids would be cool to bring back and yeah I know scaling etc but...
My friends would raid mythic if there was a 10 person option
lusty grotto
ok everyone that pushed agreed
toxic pewter
My friends would raid mythic if there was a 10 person option
Yeah some of the best times I remember were ten man raids wya back in the day
Scaled ten man raids these days just feel off
lusty grotto
yeah 10m were fun
slender bison
Guys. Story wise we'll have trolls again. So Zul Aman is back on the menu
lusty grotto
somehow i doubt blizzard will consider them back, but then again they are implementing housing so who knows
toxic pewter
I think they said somewhere they view mega dungeons sort of as ten man raids spiritual successors
solid sun
Idk I’m not connected to the mythic scene but I see a lot of dooming each season about how mythic raiding is losing numbers
Might need to do something to shake it up
toxic pewter
Guys. Story wise we'll have trolls again. So Zul Aman is back on the menu
Sounds great I love Trolls
chilly brook
Mythic raiding feels fine population wise
but I do think they could probably just shake up raiding as a whole
toxic pewter
All I know is midnight is going to be insane. It has to be.
chilly brook
we don't need 4 different difficulties
slender bison
Sounds great I love Trolls
Zul Farak rework with 9 bosses would be based. Afternoon M+ run
toxic pewter
Zul Farak rework with 9 bosses would be based. Afternoon M+ run
ZF great memories heh
slender bison
And zul grub
Damn, void and bandage guys and silvermoon and trolls and ghost lands gonna be lit next season
toxic pewter
We goin to ka’resh
solid sun
we don't need 4 different difficulties
I mostly agree with this but idk how they fix it
slender bison
Isn't that next expac?
toxic pewter
Nah next patch
solid sun
Taking any of the raid difficulties away is gonna piss some group off
toxic pewter
Next xpac is midnight. Goin back to quel thalas and surrounding areas. Draenei also getting major city
Silvermoon and Draenei new city
slender bison
Nah next patch
Ogre allied race confirmed
toxic pewter
The new Draenei city will be INSANE actually jealous of Draeneis
Gonna be most beautiful city in all of Azeroth. Even nicer than silvermoon
And super technological
slender bison
I used a dire maul ogre suit in a dungeon and felt great. They lazy and dont wanna fix animations and xmogs
solid sun
They did a lot for m+ this expansion. Next expansion is getting housing which is huge. Does seem like the raiding scene will be next on the agenda to give some attention
slender bison
The new Draenei city will be INSANE actually jealous of Draeneis
Huh. Lightforge dranei city? I might switch to alliance to xmog some thirst traps
runic granite
If housing is just a solo place for us to hang out instead of capital city, it’s going to be a huge miss
patent scroll
It's going to become a hood
toxic pewter
Yeah I hope the new cities won’t be ghost towns
Not a fan of everyone standing around inside an instance personally. I am pro open world
slender bison
Didn't they complain about garissons that people were rotting in their garissons and never interacted with other players?
patent scroll
That's why this isn't supposed to be just you
runic granite
The only places with any number of players are the main city and a few hubs
toxic pewter
Yeah but they claim neighborhoods will be social and also lack a lot of utility that garrisons basically took away from major cities
So ah etc and crap may still be in cities
Granted we have mount now lmao
slender bison
Neighbor 1: "Hey neighbor, wanna do a M+?"
lusty grotto
especially without city utility etc
patent scroll
Yeah
runic granite
Guild wars 2 is doing player housing now too
slender bison
Neighbor 2: Goooold for sale
patent scroll
It's either going to become a guild centered thing where you can circlejerk
runic granite
But they do a much better job of having their world feel alive
patent scroll
Or likely just dead in a few months
lusty grotto
the only way its a "huge miss" is if they put the garrison utility into them
thats it
toxic pewter
People never left garrisons because it literally provided you all the utility. So blizz already said they are going away from that and striking a balance. they’re still working on what will be allowed or not
lusty grotto
also
runic granite
But the flip side of that is if there ain’t any utility there
lusty grotto
be prepared for house decorators
runic granite
why go
toxic pewter
Many won’t go
toxic pewter
And that’s fine too I guess
Some people aren’t even interested in house. I am not super into it myself even
wtf house decorators?
Lmao
slender bison
It's not like you interact today in large cities. Everyone just sits in queues or afk. Lmao
Garissons were based and I had no "gold for sale" in chat
lusty grotto
"why go" shouldnt even be a question, you go because you like housing, thats it
slender bison
Also house for horde will be in Durotar which is a garbage area
lusty grotto
if they slap player power or some bullshit to "going and build your house" or "maintain it", people wont take it well
its optional
and thats how it should be
slender bison
Unless they add tech to plant stuff
lusty grotto
forcing people to do shit they dont want to do is never the answer
toxic pewter
Not necessarily.. horde housing neighborhood will be a mix of ashenvale durotar and azshara. With cool cliffs and beachside access. I dig it personally
I have always liked kalimdor since going there in warcraft 3
slender bison
Will you find neighbours via a queue system? To shard with those?
slender bison
I don't have either lmao
lusty grotto
no, its most likely gonna be like XIV
slender bison
Unsub
toxic pewter
Like basically can choose public or private neighborhood
lusty grotto
you have an address
Lot XX, Shard XX
area X
thats it
and if anything like XIV, you can simply change to where you wanna go visit
if you know the address
toxic pewter
That’s kinda cool. Have an address. Would be fun to deliver packages to people or whatever. Or see mailmen delivering mail lol
lusty grotto
or just go through all
round pendant
I really wish they didn't do this turbo boost thing
toxic pewter
Why
slender bison
Sounds complicated and prone to fail after 1 month considering average player xmog farms and sits in queues
See Undermine
lusty grotto
prone to fail, in what way?
just because you have no reason to go, doesnt mean it fails
slender bison
prone to fail, in what way?
You make your house, then go to main city after 2 days and sit there
lusty grotto
you
slender bison
People don't like doing daily activities
lusty grotto
you do
jagged gust
I hope there's housing power scaling, not related to player power, but invest time in your house to grow it like legion tree questline
lusty grotto
youre not everyone
it hasnt failed in XIV
and people sit harder in queues there
and as far as i know, it hasnt failed in GW2 either
slender bison
I hope there's housing power scaling, not related to player power, but invest ti...
Garissons war resources 2.0
lusty grotto
as long as its not tied to player power
its fine
gives casual people something to do
slender bison
Curious if they make housing anti bots
Neighbours "hfjjy" and "iuyuiu" joined the group
lusty grotto
why would that even matter
jagged gust
Garissons war resources 2.0
Kinda, but the resources you collect go towards house improvements
Go into your personal mine to collect stone to build the frame for an expansion
Like num said, gives you something to do when you wanna play casually
next pasture
"waaa there's no tanks waa" bruh
chilly brook
I know so many people who are serious about pushing content that are actually huge player housing nerds
It’s just a win
dusky canopy
I’m excited for player housing!
chilly brook
"waaa there's no tanks waa" bruh
I mean less keys in general as the difficulty goes up
So the bottleneck eases
dusky canopy
I hope they make it convenient to hangout in your house
lusty grotto
"waaa there's no tanks waa" bruh
there are no tanks in lower brackets
next pasture
i get invited to less than 1 key a day, this shit is miserable
lusty grotto
the "wahhhh theres no tanks" complaint isnt coming from high keys
its coming from lower keys
anything sub 12 is deserted as far as tanks go
even in the 12-14 bracket there arent that many
but still miles above sub 12
dusky canopy
Blizzard makes tanking less enjoyable and then wonders why there’s less tank population
lusty grotto
anyway back to housing, what im most excited about is how Blizzard is improving current MMOs housing systems
in XIV, you buy a plot, it costs millions of gil (xiv gold), and you have to win a lottery just to get a plot
not in wow
☑️
mighty valley
i never got into housing in my ffxiv days because of the peak housing shortage lol
had an easier time buying a house in real life!!!
but that one burned to the ground, so win some lose some
lusty grotto
in XIV theres guild mansions, and as a member you only get a sub instanced room, not in WoW, guild neighborhoods sound amazing
☑️
just because of those two things alone im vastly more interested
limited number of plots and neighborhoods (wards/districts) in XIV, not in WoW
☑️
its miserable, and yet still popular
xiv has houses that serve as theaters, nightclubs, guilds and shit do events, which can probably translate to WoW, but we will see
otherwise wards are empty, except when you want to meet your guild or have guild meetings and shit
or when you want to whack on a dummy like most of us do
dusky canopy
Guild neighbor hood is so pog
lusty grotto
so dont be surprised if neighborhoods are empty, for the most part outside of any events
its just normal
doesnt mean it fails
i feel like people have this idea that neighborhoods are supposed to be filled with other players all the time, but thats not whats going to happen
dusky canopy
Would actually be so banger if they allowed hearthing to home and in the center of the “neighborhood” you had vendors, ah, mailbox, upgrade guys, craft station
lusty grotto
and then call it a failure
dusky canopy
Just make it an actual hangout
dusky canopy
Because it’ll pretty much be dead content if all it ends up being is “hey you killed X boss so you can put a picture of it on your wall”
Woohoo
lusty grotto
see thats where youre wrong
solid sun
People love that shit
solid sun
Not every people, but a lot of people love having a home and decorating it
lusty grotto
when i was in a static in xiv, some of them re-decorated houses and told us in raid breaks to go check it out
that was alien to me
solid sun
A lot of the fond memories people have of wildstar is literally just the housing lol
lusty grotto
but i did went to check it out cause we were on breaks, and they had cool ideas and shit
frosty mango
when i was in a static in xiv, some of them re-decorated houses and told us in r...
yeah this was wierd to me too
my free company paid some dude like metric truckloads of gil to design and decorate a house
and he did a great job, it was really cool
mighty valley
my wife has like 700 mounts, i'm just gonna let her build a house and hang out in it
frosty mango
hopefully some of the wierder aspects of xiv housing dont translate
lusty grotto
my free company paid some dude like metric truckloads of gil to design and decor...
oh yeah
thats 100% gonna be a thing in wow
but also i meant like they redid their houses
frosty mango
imagine goldshire inn but its an entire neighborhood of people RP-ing furry sex and wierd kinks
pretty sure that describes most of the xiv balmung server
lusty grotto
and it was... fun to check it out especially on breaks
ok that last message wasnt about what you just said
just to be clear
LOL
solid sun
Looooool
The free company I was in had some kinda program for their bards to play music
And they set up some kinda guild house for concerts
lusty grotto
ya thats very common
also the night clubs
motherfuckers advertise in every single city
thats one thing i havent done
i just figure its just a bunch of coomers
chilly brook
@lusty grotto what’s a good way to find a group for FFXIV?
lusty grotto
kinda like what Roid describes
frosty mango
<@131897531251556352> what’s a good way to find a group for FFXIV?
im not nim but if you're looking for a raid static theres a discord
tender pond
how do yall not rage starve on gallywix mythic in execute phase?
lusty grotto
yeah i did the discord thing
for like 3 differnt statics
FFXIV recruiter and... uhh
XIV recruit?
i think
solid sun
Roid’s house gonna be fully coomerized for sure. He’s been exposed in xiv and corrupted
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Roid’s house gonna be fully coomerized for sure. He’s been exposed in xiv and co...
Ive been playing xiv since initial beta and have legacy choco and neck tat and I am proud to say I dont even own a house
lusty grotto
frosty mango
I play xiv to do story mode and raid when its current tho last tier broke me
chilly brook
Ive been playing xiv since initial beta and have legacy choco and neck tat and I...
Only way normal people own a house is by playing on a dead server lol
lusty grotto
griff
frosty mango
Only way normal people own a house is by playing on a dead server lol
naw my fc has a big ass house and thats enough
frosty mango
I have the gil i just dont wanna deal with the lotto shit lol
lusty grotto
i havent been raiding this tier but, im game, i can heal
solid sun
I only raided once there. Whatever the raid was with a vampire and a phoenix, I was there. We killed the first two but not Phoenix and I bounced after they quit
chilly brook
if you are planning on hitting savage
I did a little bit of savage for the first tier of the expansion
Up to honey b lovely
lusty grotto
yeah i remember
frosty mango
tier 1 this exp was solid, not too hard
solid sun
Phoenix shit all over my group
frosty mango
Phoenix shit all over my group
yeah it did that to most groups
chilly brook
Haven’t been playing and still super new to FFXIV endgame
lusty grotto
i didnt actually finish it, did some prog on the M4S but didnt have time to finish it
but could farm up to m3s every week easily
solid sun
I’d play with yall probs if yall ever wanted to raid and needed bodies
frosty mango
i didnt actually finish it, did some prog on the M4S but didnt have time to fini...
I took m4s to like 1% a zillion times
and my rpr literally kept back flipping off the edge
solid sun
I was a monk but am not married to it
lusty grotto
lmao
frosty mango
and after like our 15th 1% wipe because the rpr dashed off
I lost it
I literally just died inside and logged off and havent logged in since
lusty grotto
i dont think i cant hold my laughter every time a DNC dashes to their death
much less a RPR doing that
frosty mango
like my char
lusty grotto
lmao
toxic pewter
Yeah I have been pvping only so I haven’t done much pve for a while figured would be very easy
solid sun
Or were you pissed from the beginning
round pendant
boys
do the mines in motherlode kill people who are near the one that detonates on someone else?
cause I'm really confused how I just got fucking exploded when I was never fixated
lmao
lusty grotto
hmm
i think it does splash damage yes
also you just reminded me
last night a fucking BDK gripped my fixated bombs
lol
lusty grotto
i prefer SAM
but i get it
SAM or RPR are my fave melees
i really like the concept of MNK and NIN but... they are just too busy
round pendant
i think it does splash damage yes
crazy, first time I ever experienced that
lusty grotto
if i was playing full time xiv, i would def try to be a MNK or NIN melee main
chilly brook
Did the story ever get better?
lusty grotto
not like holy shit this is insane good, but its going in the right direction
agreed
DT story was fucking dogshit
solid sun
well thats no different than other melees
I think monk had more when I played. Or it mattered more? I know my group always talked about it but they weren’t super good and it was a “long time ago”
lusty grotto
yeah a lot of positionals were removed
so its a lot easier now
depending on how long ago
solid sun
I never finished the story for this expansion
solid sun
But that’s just in response to y’all talking about the story
I think I swapped to something else also instead of staying monk. Maybe viper? I think it was new but not the Mario paint job
lusty grotto
VPR ye
thats what griff mentioned
i really want to like VPR, i just... idk what it is i just dont love it
its fine
just not RPR/SAM
tender zealot
FFXIV died after 3.0. Game has just turned into a DDR simulator and boring reused mechanics.
frosty mango
Did it start off funny and then just become truly horrific
I mean yea it was funny in like
M1
lusty grotto
i feel ya roid
frosty mango
But you can’t carry that at the last wing in any ff fight
frosty mango
FFXIV died after 3.0. Game has just turned into a DDR simulator and boring reuse...
Not much they can do with their engine
They do try I give them that
lusty grotto
its even worse compared to myth raiding, my patience depletes faster in xiv
frosty mango
Same because everyone is vital
tender zealot
Basically farmability is 1 and done