protection

[agile parrot]

you are replacing the max hp part with a shield

reread my question

[chilly brook]

But it isn’t

So doesn’t matter

[earnest cove]

Reread my answer

[chilly brook]

Rally bad not worth worrying over

[earnest cove]

That’s another story

[slender bison]

The last boss in rookery is probably one of the most silly designs they had in a decade.

Healer runs like a headless chicken to dispel

Unless is a priest and takes +range talent

[remote anchor]

thats because dps players always stand mega far away

and dont feel the need to move closer

[slender bison]

Yea, cuz shit on the floor

Near boss hitbox

The only similar silly boss is worm in Neltharion Lair. You had to use the rock in the back for the tongue

[chilly brook]

I mean that’s the silliest thing to not like the boss for

[slender bison]

Else you get deleted

[chilly brook]

The boss is bad because you can put it to 5% and then have to have another 1m shield phase before it finally dies

[knotty mantle]

What should i macro house of cards with? AM makes avatar desync with it

[chilly brook]

Avatar still

[knotty mantle]

do i just let it sit off cd til the next avatar?

[chilly brook]

Honestly not sure

Could just look at the sim behavior

[remote anchor]

probably dont macro it into anything

[sinful copper]

A lot of abilities don't even hit the boss either lol. Like I think arcane mage orb and UH dk scythe don't reach

[slender bison]

I still don't understand why the boss frontal damages me considering I have SpellBlock on

[earnest cove]

Because blizzard has decided that

[cerulean tusk]

Awww, I didn't even get to read the whole of his spiel before he was banned

I am sure it wasn't a scam, but a legit steam credits pitch

Mods steal our 100€ giftcards once again

[delicate haven]

question for the dinars ive been equipping a new prot warrior and got no chance of buying myth track raid gear should i keep them for the dungeon items or get some stuff hc track from the raid?

[daring narwhal]

Anyone know the trick to make the dogs not cast fiery jaws (kujo add) in workshop ?

[unborn island]

Depends what items you have already - there's a list on Wowhead.

Essentially you want to take mythic m+ trinkets first if you don't have pacemaker or Tome, and then Bombsuit heroic.

Is the broad strokes

[delicate haven]

alright thanks

[karmic plinth]

you probably want to pick up jastor at some point too

[round pendant]

No

[sharp gale]

You have to root / sap the solo dog patrol near the middle

IM SORRY IM SENDiNG A TIKTOK

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZNdrXrYkA/

[patent scroll]

Ah, that's probably because they try to not sync the abilities somehow?

And because the first one cannot go off the others wont use it either?

[sharp gale]

Idk, i didn’t try it, i have enough issues of overcount in workshop

[daring narwhal]

thanks a lot

[tropic gorge]

demolish is a fun button

[slender bison]

Skip 3rd trash compactor, get all doggos (not the sleeping ones) and skip 2nd to last patrol with invi/lock/priest

[sharp gale]

Press

W

[slender bison]

I mean, workshop is hard to time in pugs If you don't do those skips

After 14

[sharp gale]

I know I know I’m joking / I don’t push so I don’t do these

[solid sun]

What you mean 2nd to last patrol

It’s just the second to last pack, right

[slender bison]

Yes, pack. Dunno why I said patrol. Too much Suramar I guess

[cerulean tusk]

Did 16 with raid tank, who just pressed W. W is W

[sharp gale]

yeah maybe it's a raid tank thing

[coarse latch]

After making sure I know all routes I'm gonna level to 80 as prot with my ~35 arms in tw.

Wish me luck that people don't yell at me, first time tanking

[sharp gale]

good luck

use your knowledge on whatever role you played to routing etc

if something annoyed you about packs moving a certain way as dps, the trashs choices as healer, you can try to make it better

[coarse latch]

Hmmm very true. Good suggestion thanks!

[round pendant]

Tanking is easy

pull mobs and if you die just blame the healer

[coarse latch]

I've only ever mained a healer haha

[amber wedge]

messing around in 10s, aug is back D:

rookery^

[red otter]

At lvl 70 I was able to pull massively. Then I hit 71 and suddenly can hardly survive a single pull. Timewalking dungeons in a nutshell.

[clever hazel]

I started tanking only this season and surprised how easy it is, at least and beginner to med level. You got this!

[sharp gale]

MUD MUD MUD

[jagged pier]

1 to replace 2 of your bombsuits

[sharp gale]

i gave it to a monk, he gave me 10k gold

and for the two bombsuit binds, it happens when i switch tome/bombsuit, sometime i move the old to shift V to have it when i re-equip, but forget

[strong forum]

your fault for going BDK lootspec instead of unholy

[toxic pewter]

can i get any achievements/titles/rewards in general from the old school horiffic visions but doing them when they start again this week

talking about I guess stuff that was achievable back in bfa but not anymore since that patch

[young cloud]

Hey guys, quick question. When playing colossus, I feel like having one defensive trinket would be quite helpful so my question is this. Is it worth spending a dinar on Chromesuit, on Scrapfield 9001 or should I just farm the Mud trinket from Floodgate and if so, what am i better off spending the dinars on? Also I already have Hero track Pacemaker and Tome

[tribal wharf]

looks nice for brew or dh

[sharp gale]

it doesn't work on brew

[tribal wharf]

only saw the brewmaster part, my most used meme of all for like i think it was 2018-2022 was "wow thats a lot of words, too bad im not reading them"

vdh left a comment about non fire is turned to self dot

the other joke i was intially going to go with"

"......... hey healer... don't dispel that... plz... i need it for parse..."

also, thats ripping off some ygo art lol

[covert helm]

It's good on fel-scarred veng, stagger ticks activating the cdr was removed during ptr

[velvet river]

Is it normal to get pounded by the third boss in motherlode? I feel like she hits me so hard every hit

Am I doing somethign wrong? Dont struggle on any other bosses

[frosty mango]

I did priory 12 the other day and had Aug plus pi as prot

Almost hit 4m lul

[frosty mango]

Yes it is normal, all of her hits are pure fire

You have to rotate for each “phase

So basically on pull, after she does the fire ape, after every other frontal push

Wall, reflect, spellblock all work

You have three walls, plus spell block, start with avatar for the pull then reflect plus demo one, spellblock, wall, wall, avatar rotating

You will get hit hard though so the healer has to do some work

[frosty mango]

Def not scrapfield.

Bombsuit has good general all around use, mud will be better in priory, floodgate due to cdr

If you don’t have a high chance of getting bombsuit from raid imo dinar that and farm the mud, though the gain you get with mud over
Bombsuit for those dungeons isn’t critical

[solid sun]

Would you say at any point during the ever present climb in m+ for a five person team, the dps players have a harder time than the tank

I kinda feel like healing is almost always the hardest role

[frosty mango]

Depends on how you define hard

[solid sun]

Ummm, good point. Would you ever say there’s more pressure applied to the dps role at any point in the key push than the tank role

[frosty mango]

Assuming everyone is playing properly dps have the most cognitive load at high levels, healing becomes easier because mechanics become pass/fail

[amber wedge]

Nice 😅 big number good. I think thats my record so far, but I dont tank so often either

[frosty mango]

You either press your defensives or you die, there’s no healing you

Tanking is always the “easiest” mechanical role since most of your skill expression is in the meta game, routes, pathing, etc

[solid sun]

So in the 18-20 range, is the healer just handling group mitigation and tank healing?

[frosty mango]

No they’re healing people but health only matters if it’s zero

So certain points of dungeons there’s shit going out and either the dps play right or they die

[amber wedge]

I dunno, If you play one of the easiest dps classes i think its by far the easiest role

F. Ex ret

0 thought in what to press next and you will be fine

[frosty mango]

Pressing your dps buttons is like bare minimum of playing effectively

[amber wedge]

Yeah what else is there though, watch your feet basically

[frosty mango]

Ret is wogging and sacing and bopping, also cc’ing etc

[frosty mango]

There’s a lot?

Dps who think their only job is to press dps buttons are the people you don’t want in your keys lol

[amber wedge]

Yeah but thats still super easy to do, since the rotation is so simple

[solid sun]

This is why I’m asking. I feel like there’s a lot more that a good dps player does that the general public doesn’t credit them with doing

[amber wedge]

You only think about utility and defensives

[frosty mango]

Like the double aoe pull before second rookery boss

The tank just stands there

The healer presses a cd

Dps need to Los effectively, use utility and externals on each other, spread kicks, and prio something down which means a bunch of tab targeting

The healer can only do so much healing so on like an 18 there it’s on the dps to stay alive

When healers start to struggle in higher keys imo it’s usually indicative of a dps failure to play properly

Missed kicks, missed defensives etc

That’s an opinion but I imagine many would agree

[amber wedge]

Good points

[solid sun]

I guess some of that depends on the meta and season too

Like double sigil vdh was handling a huge portion of kicks/interrupts whatever

Which made stuff easier for dps

[amber wedge]

Definately applies to the higher keys

[frosty mango]

Yeah but after the kick changes it’s important now for everyone to kick maximally

[amber wedge]

But sub 15 i think dps has it super easy

[frosty mango]

Errant casts will kill people

[sharp gale]

Rhino, at a certain key lvl the packs lived the double sigil, you still have to play after that

[frosty mango]

Rookery has a pull with 5 casters and those lightning bolts will shit on people if they aren’t all stopped

And I mean like all of them

[sharp gale]

Yeah the left pull of rookery first boss room is wtf

[frosty mango]

lol yeah

[jagged gust]

People go left?!

[solid sun]

I never pull five casters there

[frosty mango]

And it has the pulsing aoe guy so you gotta kick em all

[sharp gale]

People do the room in 2 pulls

[coarse latch]

Healing low keys can be a nightmare

[solid sun]

I pull the last three after the first two die

[frosty mango]

Yes it’s high value lust, I do all left then all right

[solid sun]

Ain’t no way

Double pull the whole room

[frosty mango]

I pull the pat with right side because it has less casters

As long as you don’t stack the pulsing aoe guys nothing else does anything except for casters which you can kick

[sharp gale]

There is a huge gap between high keys and those high keys

That’s why there is a pug wall

[frosty mango]

You have disrupt for 6s, solar beam for 6s, then shockwave

You get like 16s of silence before kicks even start and with lust most of the casters are dead

And the bit people don’t tell you is that it takes coordination and practice

You will brick 100 keys before you get it down

You think yoda and those dudes are just magic galaxy brain players but really they are just getting in tons of reps and learning the dungeons and coordinating as a team

They are great players but it’s not their skill at their classes that makes them the best, it’s their meta knowledge and team coordination

[stiff gate]

this is a weird take because healer and tank also have to kicks, stops, defensives, etc. while that pull is happening

[frosty mango]

Tanks got one(two if you’re pal) kick and like no dps rotation, healers have a kick and are probably spending brainpower on running out cooldowns

[jagged gust]

What's the shammy aoe stop called? The totem

[frosty mango]

Capacitor totem

[solid sun]

If you’re a healer priest you don’t even have a kick

[sharp gale]

what i had to heal 2 months ago in 14 or 15 i don't remember

[frosty mango]

You got fear

You also have mc

Both can be used as a stop

[frosty mango]

Yeah the left pull looks heinous but it’s really not as long as kicks/stops go out

[stiff gate]

i mean on that double pull in rookery specifically as tank i am getting a kick, aoe kicking, shockwave, fear, usually sending a storm bolt to stop a jump on a dps, prio targeting one of the casters or one of the diffusers, etc.

our rdruid probably gets excused from using roar on that pull but he's definitely gonna grab a kick, probably typhoon/vortex, he is LoSing the aoe, ironbarking someone who doesnt have a defensive

i dont get how dps have more to do, its the same. everyone is doing rotation + defensives + stops. i guess tank you don't have to LoS so its one less thing to worry about but im also most of my group's stops

[frosty mango]

Ok now go arms and do that same pull

Tell me if it feels better or worse

lol

[stiff gate]

right as arms i just dps and LoS when i get targeted, pop spell reflect when the aoe is happening

[sharp gale]

it was a friend who had resil / i tried to heal it, casts didn't kill so it was not that heinous

[jagged gust]

Are we really trying to argue tanking isn't the easiest role?

[frosty mango]

Someone is

lol

[stiff gate]

you guys are crazy man i am working way harder on tank than i ever have to on dps lol

[sharp gale]

because you pug

just imagine if you don't have to do routes

but it is hard effort on 5 ppl anyway at that point

[frosty mango]

Routes are generally unchanging though I don’t really view that as difficulty

Once you know them you know them

[sharp gale]

yeah i meant "leading the group"

[jagged gust]

Isn't the simplicity why we tend to do callouts in groups? I'm bing chilling when I'm playing with my group

[stiff gate]

i mean the difference is just that dps can get away with poor play. if you die as tank the key is over, while also being responsible for gathering and preventing your dps from getting punched by mobs you've hit with 1 heroic throw, doing most of the stops, doing most of the kicks, etc.

as dps if you fuck up you just get battle rezzed or flame the tank xd

[frosty mango]

The dps cannot get away with poor play at high levels

[sharp gale]

last season it was the aug who did callouts

[frosty mango]

If you fuck up and die (repeatedly) that’s going to cascade as a key brick or a timer failure

[solid sun]

Even in my keys, if the dps die too many times the key doesn’t get timed because the dps is lacking and stuff is living too long

[coarse latch]

Rshams have thunderstorm as well

[stiff gate]

depends what you consider high levels. my group is doing 17s which isn't wf level but i think that's pretty high considering the majority of players, and i still have to fucking narrate what everyone is doing on most pulls and remind them when not to pot, call out cap totem because every other stop is on cooldown, yell at them to use a defensive when they're double targeted by casts

[sharp gale]

if you die as dps the key is over too at one point because like roid says, it cascades

[velvet river]

Ok sounds good

[stiff gate]

we timed 17 cinder yesterday with 9 dps deaths lol. you absolutely can just floorpov for a large portion of the key as anything but the tank and its fine as long as its not some specific pull where everyone needs to be pumping

[frosty mango]

Two sides of that coin: you are carrying your group and they are kind of bad if you have to narrate that - alternatively you are coordinating your key as the tank role which is highly valuable and although your dps may be able to do those things themselves you are unifying it which means less overlap error

Can’t tell which but imo that just shows you are a highly skilled player, not just tank

[stiff gate]

i am actually terrible at calling cc but nobody else will do it

dps just wanna vibe and press buttons

healer is busy doing healer things

[frosty mango]

If you’re timing 17s be willing to bet you are a lot less terrible at it than you think

[sharp gale]

yeah struggle because you are the "raid leader" not because you are the tank

[solid sun]

If you’re timing 17s while narrating the whole key you aren’t terrible rofl

[sharp gale]

and you need a raid leader in a team

[stiff gate]

sure, but the raid leader type stuff is mostly expected of the tank in groups ive played in

im not terrible at the game

just terrible at calling stops

[frosty mango]

Because it’s the easiest cognitive role

Full circle

[solid sun]

Clearly not if you’re winning

Don’t be so hard on yourself

[stiff gate]

th beauty of m+ is you only have to win once!

[frosty mango]

Or pay once

[sharp gale]

and go again

for 10 more points

[stiff gate]

yeah

[solid sun]

Ask any racer, any real racer. It doesn’t matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning’s winning

[stiff gate]

on another note finally got 16 flood last night (we would've timed 17 but fucked the bubbles skip 😦 )

the turbo boost ilvl is crazy

[frosty mango]

I stopped at 14/15

WiFi too poop to go further

Sucks I was cruising too, could easily get to 17s I think

[coarse latch]

The real issue is when is there gonna be a sham tank

[sharp gale]

yeah i restarted 2 days ago to grab free 15-16s / im more of a raider but turbo boost gave 2 key lvl so i enjoy it

[stiff gate]

with the ilvl i think 17s are pretty easy now, if you get a couple attempts at a key you can time it without doing anything really fancy

[frosty mango]

With turbo boost I think you can prob w key most 16s

[stiff gate]

i imagine after this week we see wf key levels jump up to 21/22

[frosty mango]

I’m tanking 13s/14s with like 900ms from shitty hospital WiFi and +2/+3ing these easily

[sharp gale]

i think the "pug wall" moved from 16s to 17 or 18s with ilvl increase

[warm plinth]

Ok but the really impressive thing is that the wow speedrunner has 1-80 down to sub-3 hours now

[solid sun]

Are you okay

[frosty mango]

Yes I’m fine lol. Pops having a ton of surgeries so I’m here a lot

[warm plinth]

Did you tell him to stop having tons of surgeries because it's messing up your gaming?

[solid sun]

Thoughts for pops

[frosty mango]

Yes I did try that but he told me I spend too much time on the internets

And that I need real friends

[solid sun]

Pwar discord on team Pops

[warm plinth]

Dang, pops doesn't play

[stiff gate]

only key that still feels awful is priory, every route i try in there has some equally terrible pull at some point in the key where either a dps gets murdered by impale/lightspawn/sacred toll/casts going off or i get deleted because of bad cd cycling

[frosty mango]

I told him I’m 40 and married with a preteen I don’t need friends I need good WiFi and beer

[warm plinth]

You can have friends on the internet; has the man never had a pen pal smh

[warm plinth]

I think that's kind of the opposite of friend

[frosty mango]

He thinks I spend all of my time playing wow

[warm plinth]

That's not true; if it were, how did you make the pre-teen

[solid sun]

Just wait until he sees your wow house

[frosty mango]

You know despite working full time, and being married, and having a kid with 900 extracurriculars

Parents are funny

We love em though even if they don’t understand

[warm plinth]

From the various headlines I've read, the player housing thing seems to be actually good

[sharp gale]

so you can sit with your 4 other buds to see what's going on / try to see how others do etc

[frosty mango]

Well FFXIV has a pretty mature model they can copy and the wow engine is vastly better

So if they fuck it up I’ll be surprised

[solid sun]

They’re also pulling from eso and wildstar

[warm plinth]

I have a friend who has been married for years and she hates games and him playing games. That's how you know love is real, because he's played wow the entire time he's known her lol.

95% of his wow time is after she's gone to bed

[frosty mango]

We been together 22 years this year and she’s not a gamer but she doesn’t care if I game lol

[stiff gate]

ive looked at a lot of routes, and they either just manmode heal through impale bleeds or they manmode heal through 3-4 paladins at a time, we kinda just fall apart doing either of those things, and there's another route that pulls 5 casters with suleyman but we have yet to successfully do that pull either

[warm plinth]

How old are you, if you don't mind my asking

[frosty mango]

She tried to get into wow but she was terrible and she knew it and she hated it

[frosty mango]

I’m 40

[solid sun]

My wife also tried to get into wow and hated being bad

[warm plinth]

Dang you been together since 18?

[frosty mango]

Not old but def gamer old

[frosty mango]

16, got married at 18/19

[warm plinth]

I'm not quite as old as you but I'm up there

I'll be 37 in a couple months

We're basically the geriatric of the gaming world

[solid sun]

Nah

You’re only as old as you feel

[frosty mango]

I grew up very poor and left home early, paid out of pocket for college and made some good real estate choices when I was very young

I was old when I graduated high school

[warm plinth]

I had an ex who was into wow and was pretty good. I tried to get her into other games (the only other game she played was Wizard 101). Convinced her to try Bloodborne, except I made her go left in the beginning and fight the executioner. Credit to her though, she spent 2 hours trying to kill him

[sharp gale]

i'm not 30 and i feel old

[frosty mango]

There’s not really an age past 23/24

[sharp gale]

yeah im 27

[frosty mango]

I call it “bills, work, kids”

You’re just that age until you retire, or die

[warm plinth]

Got really close a couple of times too but suffered from the Soulsborne nemesis: getting greedy

[frosty mango]

The only thing that really changes is you gain a lot more perspective the older you get, and realize younger you was an idiot

[sharp gale]

^

that vague memory of you 10 years ago = FACEPALM

[frosty mango]

37 year old jofflu will think 27 year old jofflu is an idiot too

It’s the curse of wisdom

[solid sun]

I’ve been working on getting in better shape since my kid has been wanting to go to the park and play and all this stuff outside and I gotta keep up. I’ve transitioned to only gaming after she goes to bed but being a dad gamer is pretty rad. I’m still better than most of my friends

[sharp gale]

or the curse of grumpiness

[coarse latch]

I read the wowhead guide but since I'm level 38 I don't have a lot of the spells that are in the guide. Does this sound ok

• Charge in
• Demoralizing shout
  Shield slam and thunderclap to get rage
• Ignore pain when I generate enough rage

As an opener

[frosty mango]

At 38 it won’t matter much but that should be effective yes

You won’t need to ignore pain

Assuming you are tanking random dungeons?

[coarse latch]

Yeah just tw

[frosty mango]

Clap and shield slam, send revenge with excess rage

[coarse latch]

First time tanking so just want to make sure I know the interactions

[frosty mango]

Once you get to 60 or so you’ll start worrying about skill interactions

And cooldowns

Before that you will level so quickly it won’t matter because any rotation will be outpaced very quickly

[warm plinth]

Yeah while leveling you can basically pretend IP doesn't exist. Use Shield Block and excess rage can be dumped with Revenge

[coarse latch]

Ok thanks. And true. I level like ~2-3 times in a dungeon lol

[warm plinth]

You probably won't generate enough rage really to worry about overcapping

[sharp gale]

get used to spam Shield Slam on cd and press something every gcd / have shield block

i'm gonna die of old age before this fucking game come out

[warm plinth]

You'll probably die of old age before Bloodborne gets a PC port too

[sharp gale]

i view it more as a conspiracy theory the "Bloodborne on pc"

[coarse latch]

Thanks everyone!

Is rend basically useless to hard cast since thunder clap applys it

[frosty mango]

Insofar as you don’t need to press the button yes

[warm plinth]

Yes

[sharp gale]

i changed my name too soon

[frosty mango]

Just press clap

[warm plinth]

You need the talent, but you don't press the spell; you can unbind it.

[coarse latch]

Nice

[nocturne spindle]

The only thing is

More important that demo shout

Is getting shield block out

Not important now but good habit to get into when it matters

It should be pressed in conjunction with whatever gcd spell you send first

[coarse latch]

I don't see slam or whirlwind in the guide either are they not worth using?

[coarse latch]

Ok thanks!

[warm plinth]

They are not

You will never press them

[nocturne spindle]

They are basically both replaced by tclap/shield slam and revenge respectively

If comparing generators and spenders

They're just objectively worse versions of those

[coarse latch]

Ok thanks everyone ☺️ I appreciate it

[coarse latch]

Was this your name before I asked this question 🧐

[round pendant]

did I miss the tanking being the easiest role discussion

[frosty mango]

It wasn’t a discussion

[sharp gale]

it was mine

i mean "don't press rend"

[frosty mango]

Sometimes I press rend as arms

[round pendant]

oh

I saw someone say something about it but had to afk

[frosty mango]

And it feels gross every time I do it

[warm plinth]

Yes, it was.

I changed it a couple days ago to this because of a similar conversation

[round pendant]

I will add my opinion anyway

Tanking is the easiest role

but it's also the most fun

[jagged gust]

[coarse latch]

So these questions have def come up before 😛 next time I'll do a text search

[round pendant]

Unless it's raid tanking

in which case tanking is the easiest and the least fun

[misty moth]

Tanking is only the easiest role if you mentally don't care that the rest of group is depending on you to know the dungeon forward and backwards and a mistake you make could instantly brick a key for 4 other people

[coarse latch]

Same for healing though. It is what it is and you brick many keys abd learn

Now I know that when I'm going into brew you will all pull like mf crack heads so I gotta burn my CDs at once hehe

The vdhs especially

[boreal mortar]

hi chat i didn't see this in the pins but I'm sure people have asked a billion times, I play prot super casually as my alt, currently gearing them, is it worth it to just ship the chips on a h-jastor? Or is there a piece that's just better for raw value?

[jagged gust]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

Honestly the guide is against it, but personally Jastor was the highest DPS upgrade available to me

[warm plinth]

Remember that jastor has the same caveat as other items of its type

If you can't maintain it, then it's not worth using

[solid sun]

My gut tells me that if you play prot super casually it doesn’t really matter what you pick

[boreal mortar]

Yeah. I'm primarily playing prot as a low-key M+ alt, since I play shaman as my main. Which is why I was like "huh, I dunno what I should buy"

[solid sun]

If you even pick anything at all

[boreal mortar]

im kinda feeling these vibes too

[jagged gust]

Nothing wrong with spending dinar on mogs

[warm plinth]

I would agree, though I feel yucky agreeing with Rhino on principle

jkjk

[solid sun]

;)

Might wanna go h HoC

It’s quite strong even at heroic ilvl and you don’t have to worry about how to use it because you can macro it to avatar or whatever

Or tmog or follow your bliss

[boreal mortar]

Gotcha.

[solid sun]

Or maybe it’s demo shout?

[jagged gust]

TR

[boreal mortar]

Hey I wanna do some good things, I'm just not trying nearly as hard on my prot as I do on my ele

[solid sun]

Idr what you macro trinkets to cause I don’t macro anything

[jagged gust]

with a 90s trinket I always put it on TR

[boreal mortar]

tbh it might be better than keeping the Kujo trinket

[undone beacon]

real men use
anodized deflectors and modular armor plating

[jagged gust]

secondaries are for suckers

[solid sun]

Hi pash

[undone beacon]

Hello Rhino

[solid sun]

How bear

[boreal mortar]

These are the real vibes.

[undone beacon]

Bear good as always

Tryna figure out what I wanna craft

Either a haste/vers ring, a haste/crit ring, or a haste/vers cloak

[jagged gust]

cloak is ew

[frosty mango]

Bear is low key

Every season they are same as war

[undone beacon]

Mmhm mmhm

[frosty mango]

Solid but not meta

[undone beacon]

I love my bear

[solid sun]

I was asking how pash is lol

[undone beacon]

I have 25% vers natty

[solid sun]

Not bear like the guardian spec

[jagged gust]

god comp cough cough

[sharp gale]

Bear has the best mog

[undone beacon]

speakin of Rhino, you on the big bear grind yet?

[solid sun]

I been out of town this weekend so I have been on the irl vaca grind

[undone beacon]

Honestly, ideal

[solid sun]

I’m gonna hit a couple dungeons on the warrior tonight and then swap over to bear and do some stuff

Bear with Incarn is the most fun tanking moment so far this season for me

[jagged gust]

It was +40 this week, then dropped down to +1 yesterday, it's like god wanted me to grind crests this weekend

[solid sun]

My only bear complaint is that pressing the healy button feels bad

[coarse latch]

What bear mog do you use?

[undone beacon]

Hitting incarn is great cuz you go into turbo thrash/mangle and do big dam

[solid sun]

I’m a bright green jelly bean bear

[undone beacon]

I love it

[undone beacon]

Frenzied is a clunky button for sure, yeah

[solid sun]

Sometimes I’m a bright purple jelly bean bear

[sharp gale]

I prefer the standard bean bear forms bc they show you don’t give a fuck

[undone beacon]

My biggest bear complaint is that After the Wildfire is super cool but in such a bad spot on the tree you're trolling by taking it

[coarse latch]

I wanna get this one but it's such a rare drop

[jagged gust]

not giving a fuck is very important to the groups vibes

if the bear aint chillin, who is?

[undone beacon]

Playing a bear already shows you dont give a fuck, which sets the key up for big chillin fr fr

[solid sun]

Idk if it’s because I don’t have much gear or because I suck but I feel like bear is way more fragile than I expected

[undone beacon]

The best bear form is using Glyph of the Ursol Chamelon and being a diff bear each time

[jagged gust]

their hp just yoyo's out of incarn

[undone beacon]

whats ur stat dist?

I find dmg intake to be super smooth in and out of incarn

[frosty crest]

I did the funny, boys.

[coarse latch]

As a rdruid main who dabbled in bear for a little bit the guardian druid discord said to me you're really squishy on pull until you get your ironfur stacks up

[frosty crest]

Unfortunately my trinkets are kinda ass. This probably could've been a lot higher.

(i.e. no Tome)

[jagged gust]

Haven't played this season, how hard is it to keep IF stacks rolling? Can you maintain 5 or is that gonna be a inside of CDs situation

[undone beacon]

Its super easy in keys

[solid sun]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/dalaran/fragilecargo/

[undone beacon]

The hardest part (like opo mentioned) is on pull

But you can usually drop a frenzied or barkskin asap to mitigate until you're rolling

I pre-bark a lot of packs, charge, mangle, IF, stabilize

If they added a touch of rage gen to our charge life would be golden

[jagged gust]

hehehe

[undone beacon]

Gotta pump up that VERS

[jagged gust]

Everyone wants more rage gen, but bears would probably want a decent spender for compensation

[undone beacon]

Most of your rage is just dumped into ironfur anyways

Unless you're DotC and running Raze

They need to make Raze baseline fr fr ong

[jagged gust]

Actually tho

That's like speccing in to revenge

[undone beacon]

Put revenge as a capstone talent and make us use Slam otherwise

[jagged gust]

Not cursed enough, needs to share a node with ravager

[coarse latch]

Every time the topic of bear comes up everyone is like - damn every bear is chill AF, I really wonder how it got that reputation

[solid sun]

I feel like most bears are one tricks just like prot wars

Not too swayed by whatever is meta

Feel like that type of situation is more prone to chill vibes

[warm plinth]

I mean...technically you do spec into Revenge

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/technically-correct-the-best-kind-of-correct-gif-17815153

[coarse latch]

Yeah that makes sense

I must say I do prefer when I play tank to not instantly fold

[jagged gust]

its like art

[solid sun]

Vdh is so weird

[jagged gust]

its like they forget avoidance is a thing

[solid sun]

I don’t think I like debuffing the enemy for tankiness

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/rlp-wow-first-time-ruby-life-pools-gif-12421336083863104124

Always the vdhs

[solid sun]

I’m surprised there aren’t more clips like this but for bdk

They can kinda go splat too when they make an oopsie

[warm plinth]

There was a clip going around in Shadowlands I think? Idk it was one of the seasons we had Freehold. And I think Naowh or someone was playing bear

And they were so flabbergasted because they died on pull with Incarn up

[undone beacon]

so many clips of FotM VDHs

[warm plinth]

But they had pressed literally 0 buttons to not die

[undone beacon]

All incarn does is give you 30% extra health and enhance the rotational abilities, so many new bears treat it like shield wall or ibf or something

[warm plinth]

yeah haha

[solid sun]

Gotta stack them IFs

[warm plinth]

I saw the clip and was like well you kind of need to idk, press buttons

[undone beacon]

what a concept

[solid sun]

Doesn’t it also reset frenzied cd?

[undone beacon]

I makes it so frenzied has no cd, yeah

[solid sun]

Idk maybe I’m making stuff up

[undone beacon]

Half cost maul/ironfurs, cleaving mangles, no cd on frenzied, 30% extra hp

reduced cd on mangle/thrash

[warm plinth]

It's like the pally CD though; it's not much at base but has like 4 talents that make it stronger

[undone beacon]

(which is so dumb I have to say)

[solid sun]

The build your own cd thing is kinda neat

[undone beacon]

oop-

[warm plinth]

It would be neat, if you didn't feel like you needed all of them

[undone beacon]

having to give up like four talent points to have your big cd is annoying

[solid sun]

But you kinda need em all

[undone beacon]

The guardian tree is so fuckin tight on points

[warm plinth]

Yeah, which instead makes it stupid

[solid sun]

Just conceptually it’s a neat idea

Just don’t think it works out

[warm plinth]

Because it just feels like those stat nodes at that point. Like welp, this is boring as fuck but I guess I'm taking it because it's 2% of a stat

[undone beacon]

Which sucks cuz theres a lot of neat things like After the Wildfire and Moonless Night you just dont get to take

Yeah exactly

Bear tree needs a little tlc

[solid sun]

Wasn’t there an issue with the Druid dev

Like they quit or something

I just remember Druid trees have been a mess the whole time

[undone beacon]

the class tree is pretty alright, but the feral/guardian dev is like mia or smthn

but bears r j chillin wit it so it do be like like dat

[jagged gust]

blizz did a very good job of giving the illusion of choice with the new talent system tbh

[undone beacon]

Very much so

[sharp gale]

and they achieved to confuse newbies

11 revenge modifiers mmmmh

[strong forum]

go to arms and search for overpower

[sharp gale]

I wouldn’t dare change my spec to that

[strong forum]

[sharp gale]

I prefer having to play prot with 16 k mastery over arms

[wicked pollen]

how many are there

[strong forum]

like 21

they removed some of them in 11.0.5

[wicked pollen]

[strong forum]

but yeah

its all about overpower

[wicked pollen]

[sharp gale]

I still have no opinion on is it better or worse than old mop talent tree

[strong forum]

arguably worse

its the choice of illusion

at the cost of having a dysfunctional base kit

[sharp gale]

In one hand things are not burried in the spell book

They are in the talent tree now

• better illusion of choice

But not friendly to new players

In the other hand mop talent tree changed more your gameplay since borrowed power was the thing not talents

[patent scroll]

Yeah if you want to laugh at current talent/skill interactions I suggest grabbing this addon https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/harreks-advanced-tooltips
And just hovering over whatever skills on any spec

Some of the tooltips are funny

Completely reasonable (doesn't fit in 1440p height)

[undone beacon]

holy moley

[potent anvil]

[shrewd plinth]

If I have bombsuit and Disc Priest shield, does the damage go into the shield or the trinket first?

[urban portal]

Order of shields is very iffy

Hard to say exactly

[patent scroll]

It should be the "newest" absorb?

Hard to say how partials work

[frosty mango]

I left a delve and my character is rolling as if shot out of a cannon

And it will not stop

No matter what

Log out, exit game, hearth, toys

Nothin

Gonna have to name change to rollberg

[jagged gust]

There's a monk I play with who would manage to lock their run speed in as dynamic flight speed in dawn breaker

Just doing the zoomies for the entire first boss fight

[quick sparrow]

Hey all, I'm trying to macro DS and TR together but can only get one to cast. What am I doing wrong here? Even if I need to push it twice.
#showtooltip
/cast Demoralizing Shout
/Cast Thunderous roar

[patent scroll]

It tries to cast Demo Shout always

If they're both on GCD it will never go to the second cast unless you spellque it

[jagged gust]

Just gotta time portal back to BFA and get that gcd free DS

[quick sparrow]

Thank you! I tried looking up how to all Spellque but not much luck. How do I do that?

[frosty mango]

It will cast both but it’s only ever gonna show the demo shout icon

I believe both are on the gcd so you will need to press it a few times

Is there a reason you want to macro those two together?

Wouldn’t really recommend it

[round pendant]

I love how they reduced the crests for crafted gear

and then add a thing later to make it basically the same again

thanks blizz

[frosty mango]

It’s not the same thing because it’s not an enchanted crest /s

It’s an augmentation matrix

[round pendant]

doing 7s on my alt to gear it

9 dungeons to get my weapon

I just want to gear to like 650 and do 10s and then never heal again

[small steeple]

not really, always newest one i think right?

[urban portal]

Go ahead and test it and let us know

[sharp gale]

You can’t have a macro /cast with two gcds abilities, you would need a /castsequence (not recommended)

[lusty grotto]

it goes over full absorbs first

so PS first then bomb suit

more than 1 full absorb = LIFO

more than 1 partial absorb = LIFO

last in first out

PS is full, bomb suit is partial

[sharp gale]

I laughed a little bit bc I read fifo as I would in French

[patent scroll]

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/MACRO_castsequence
As others have said, I don't really suggest actually doing this. It's just ever going to create issues

Rather just have a separate bind for them

[round pendant]

my first flame

:(((

[jagged gust]

Just tell him healers are only for bad players

Real groups use 4 dps

[sharp gale]

5 Warriors

[jagged gust]

gotta do more 5 war 10s this season

[lusty grotto]

sorry to disappoint you happy, its actually LIFO

[jagged gust]

Tabernack

[sharp gale]

Leefo eheheh

Feefo is funnier to say tho

[lusty grotto]

lol

i could never understand why its not fifo like a queue

but yeah newest first, they are 100% correct, its just that partial absorbs come last always

[sharp gale]

I think it’s better for us with bombsuit, IP gets eaten first if I understand

[lusty grotto]

iirc

[sharp gale]

Nome talked about it here

[lusty grotto]

yeah its always been the case, unless TWW changed something

[round pendant]

boys the vdh got hit for 6m (melee) and then 8m electrocrush

is it my fault

[lusty grotto]

i will probably start doing hpal tonight

so looking forward to those lol

[solid sun]

I can’t heal

There’s some kinda disconnect

Shield and sword icons only

[frosty mango]

Are you the healer

[patent scroll]

ONE HEAL

[round pendant]

yes

[frosty mango]

Then yes you are to blame

[round pendant]

lmao

[frosty mango]

Welcome to healing

[round pendant]

tbh I hardly healed him after he got trucked

[patent scroll]

nearly 5 seconds and no souls? Man really trusted you

[sharp gale]

This week I got blamed too when I healed + left a top

[frosty mango]

No pain suppression

Bad priest imo

[round pendant]

yeah I could have ps'd him

I am bad

[frosty mango]

Is this sub 10

[round pendant]

was a 7

[frosty mango]

Always assume tank is shit then

Trust me it works

[sharp gale]

Yeah I always bark on cd on the tank

[frosty mango]

I don’t think I’ve run a sub 12 in like

[sharp gale]

Or when tankbuster

[frosty mango]

Over a month

[round pendant]

The dungeon was dogshit since the start

[frosty mango]

7 land is scary

[round pendant]

but yeah I mean I could have saved him

[sharp gale]

I suppose he will not press anything against tankbusters

[round pendant]

but there was other shit like how he positioned the boss awfully and dragged it over the floor zap twice

[frosty mango]

“No cooldowns used”

https://tenor.com/view/fine-this-is-fine-dumpster-fire-everthing-is-fine-everything's-fine-gif-5346788180818199782

[sharp gale]

But it is kinda fun personnaly to heal the nightmare

[frosty mango]

Honestly just do 10s

[round pendant]

not when you're bad like me

[frosty mango]

You’ll have a better time

[round pendant]

633 ilvl

[frosty mango]

Doesn’t matter

[round pendant]

I can barely meet some heal checks rn

[frosty mango]

I was healing 12s at 635 I promise you’ll be ok

[round pendant]

bro

I suck

I don't heal

[frosty mango]

Yes so does everyone else in those 7s

You’ll do better in 10-11s lol

[sharp gale]

The I did it with 560 ilvl is not a good advice

[frosty mango]

He said he’s barely meeting heal checks

It’s not a gear thing

Things living too long/dps not using defensives/tanks getting pasted

Going up a bit will alleviate those, a lot

[round pendant]

those are all a factor

but mostly it's my cd timing

which will just brick a 12

[frosty mango]

I 100% promise you it will feel far easier at the 10-12 range

If you brick someone’s key they’ll live, lol

[sharp gale]

Yeah you have to imagine, like tankbusters as tank, you have group busters and you have your cds to do a rotation on them

[spice iron]

Quick question, I'm really feeling prot button bloat atm as I'm levelling compared to previous expansions.
Are there any good macro options to alleviate this, or general advice? I do have a bunch of keys bound, but this is honestly intense.

[sharp gale]

Which ones you struggle with ? My rules for bindings is : you need to always be able to move while pressing them, it should not hurt (no weird hand movement / put some load on the right hand, mouse things)

[spice iron]

I got all buttons bound, but Spell Block took over my last standard set of binds, so now I have no room for Demolish. I have the macro to combine Thunderous Roar and Champion's Spear when one or the other isn't used, but that's not really relevant when it comes to Demolish

[sharp gale]

And most used on easiest binds

for example, there are a lot of buttons but it is really a matter of binding on the easiest buttons on your keyboard (so it's personal) / i'm french A = Q, Z= W i think on regular keyboard / i only have 2 mouse buttons

[misty moth]

Do you have like Slam and rend bound?

[spice iron]

Actually I realize now that Rend isn't actively used as a button, and is only passively applied instead? If so I do have a binding to free up. These are my current bindings, and is usually more than enough for other specs

[spice iron]

Not Slam, but I did realize that I actually have Rend bound

[sharp gale]

there are a lot i would just remove the bind

[frosty mango]

Prot is pretty busy with binds

I have 27

Which is about the limit of what I can comfortably hit

[sharp gale]

if you are not planning on stance dance, you can remove def stance

[spice iron]

I have 39 without accounting pots

[spice iron]

I am definitely planning on stance dancing

[frosty mango]

39 seems heavy

[misty moth]

Yeah I'm not sure where 39 is coming from

[frosty mango]

What are binds on your mouse

Dont recognize those

[spice iron]

This includes Healthstones, /set target macro, use extra action button, and I do actually have an unnecessary bind with goblin glider kits

[frosty mango]

Also don’t recognize bind 6, h2

[spice iron]

Trinkets - this character is still on Dragonflight S1 gear

[misty moth]

Also, not personal to you, but I hate the term "button bloat" it implies a lot of things that are useless or redundant and I'm not sure warrior has a lot of that. Like rend, slam, and whirlwind are useless, but

[frosty mango]

You can bind your trinkets to avatar

[spice iron]

Yeah no I'm not complaining about button bloat, simply the amount of binds - which I'm trying to alleviate

[spice iron]

A2*
It's the icon for my use extra action button macro

[frosty mango]

Also do you have shift bound for your mouse?

like shift m4, shift m5 etc

[coarse latch]

what spec are you?

[frosty mango]

Disc from the looks of it

[spice iron]

7 isn't shown in frame, but 6 and 7 are the binds for my trinkets on my mouse.
I do have the trinkets bound to Avatar, but when using defensive trinkets, or timing based ones, I do want them externally so I don't waste them

[frosty mango]

You shouldn’t use two on use trinkets and any other useful trinket will line up with avatar

[spice iron]

I do actually not, that's a good shout.
I do have some extra modifier keys, like how ST is taunt, but CTRL+ST is focus target taunt

[frosty mango]

If it doesn’t then you can press the avatar button and since trinket is ogcd it will cast anyway

If you wanna bind stuff like focus taunt you’re gonna run outta fingers

I can’t fathom when you’d ever even use that

[spice iron]

You do have an example of Bomb Suit + Tome of Devotion; neither of which you want to cycle blindly with Avatar

[coarse latch]

if u are a new healer rsham and holy priest is way easier bc they are reactive not proactive healers

[spice iron]

At least with my currently available binds, I have the option to put Demolish on 1; CTRL+Shift+T; H; A4; C6; and G. I would shift my main rotational bars down a slot, so that Shield Slam is on 1 instead of 2, but that would also work against years of muscle memory

[frosty mango]

Tome will need a bind but bombsuit will generally send with avatar because a) you’re using it at the start of a pack and b) stacking it with wall is good

[sharp gale]

i personnally have stances on mouse wheel, since it is so rare /only in raid i stance dance

you can put "funny things" in the side bars on the right

[frosty mango]

Your problem imo is you want to bind everything and realistically you are not pressing a lot of those binds enough to really matter

Don’t overcomplicate it

If you don’t press it often enough to bind it just get rid of the bind

Or be like me and buy foot pedals

I don’t bind my dps pot, or my mount, or anything like that

[spice iron]

8 isn't bound, that's simply the font of the buttons that's awkward - it's Z
And 6 + 7 are trinkets, which are bound to my mouse.
M4 is for flying mounts, and M5 is for car + ground mount. I am very autistic when it comes to fitting aesthetics.
Fishing isn't bound, it's just on an empty spot, because I've "run out" of binds I commonly use.
Alt 1-3 are for stance dance, extra action button, and Challenging Shout.
E has simply always been an easy to reach, but more niche key.
Main focus is that it's still a button that's bound, and there's still effective keys being used.
C1-5; CQ; CZ; CE; CS; and CF are also all used, but are on a seperate, vertical bar

[frosty mango]

So like you’re using two prime binds on mounts

Why?

[spice iron]

I do usually have pots on A1, but again - a lot of buttons

[spice iron]

Years of muscle memory from back when I only had a 2 button mouse, and I played less button intensive classes

[sharp gale]

yeah my only two mouse buttons are too valuable, mount is alt mouse button (because alt anything on keyboard is weird for me / as any use of crtl)

• i use mouse wheel and shift mouse wheel

[spice iron]

The usage and placements of my binds are what's effective for me, but I do see that I have some dead binds with two instances of Berserker Rage from when I was training of muscle memory for it, and the fact that Rend is bound

[patent scroll]

I just have Demolish on middle mouse click

Then Ctrl middle is shout, Shift middle is mount, pretty weird combination but works for me

[sharp gale]

just put your hand on WASD and anything you can press while you can have fingers on WASD = gold binds

• pinky hurts

[jagged gust]

Crtl mods are the hardest for me

[sharp gale]

yes because you use your pinky in a weird hand position, that's why no ctrl bind for me

[spice iron]

Having Shield of the Righteous on 3 is a muscle memory my body hates me for, as I got a repetitive strain injury last year when I started raiding again after having had quite a long break

[patent scroll]

Also V and B are prime thumb binds

[round pendant]

disc

[jagged gust]

I put character pane on ctrl C to free up a couple extra binds

[sharp gale]

i mouse click menus

[coarse latch]

automatickjak is a top disc player that has a lot of guides online for disc. otherwise idk anything about it lol. holy is much easier though if you want to seriously learn healing and find it really difficuly

[patent scroll]

Yeah, I have shockwave on C and Storm Bolt on Shift C, it's another really good bind that's usually just left hanging

[jagged gust]

I would click, but the interface action bar is ugly so I just forced myself to memorize the keybinds but honestly I should just reenable it at this point

[sharp gale]

that's also what i do like similar abilities are button and shift+button

[jagged gust]

Action association

[patent scroll]

The only things you can kinda click are consumables, otherwise just nope

And even those you should just use something like Opie on tbh

[round pendant]

wonder if I still have my pwar keybindings screenshot

[sharp gale]

i think the ONLY prot war thing i mouse click is battle shout

[jagged gust]

I change mine then spend a month trying to fight against my muscle memory 😦

Battle shout and berserkers rage for me

Press that one like 3 times an expansion

[patent scroll]

Battle shout I bound because it's a pain when someone gets BRd

[wicked pollen]

Is revenge just for applying deep wounds?

[jagged gust]

DPS for colossus

[frosty mango]

Please don’t heal m+ as holy if you’re looking to stay sane

[jagged gust]

For mt yeah bleed and filler

[frosty mango]

Super bad plan

[spice iron]

Is it still accurate to macro Demoralizing Shout and Avatar together btw? I remember that being the standard earlier, but it wasn't in the recommended macro section on Wowhead

[patent scroll]

CDs desync enough, no point

[jagged gust]

They'll desync, bad idea

[frosty mango]

Some people do but imo you should not because they desync

[spice iron]

I do have two separate binds, but when holding buttons during intermissions, etc, I have them macro'd as well

[patent scroll]

And you now get shield wall from activating Avatar (unless clapping those butt cheeks), so even for defenses it doesn't really make sense

[jagged gust]

Well, if you're overwhelmed by the gameplay you gotta do what you gotta do, losing a couple avatars in a 10 isn't the end of the world either

[frosty mango]

Yes it is, that’s devastating. It would demolish your overall. Very demoralizing.

[jagged gust]

But definitely sub optimal

[patent scroll]

Honestly though, could instead macro avatar on something like shield slam

[sharp gale]

and then you have boomie

[jagged gust]

Pun central over here

[frosty mango]

Have you seen Bm?

[jagged gust]

Oh that's actually not bad, I certainly did that when I started

[sharp gale]

i log my hunt

still more than boomie

[jagged gust]

Wait does BM use kill shot?

[spice iron]

We have quite different amount of binds for boomie

[jagged gust]

I only play surv

[sharp gale]

last season i played a hero talent who used kill shot

[frosty mango]

this is my bm hunter binds

literally all of em

if we go m+ spec it adds two (multi, explo)

[sharp gale]

wouldn't say "quite" when i look closely

[spice iron]

Actually you're correct
It's just how the bars are spaced that makes it look different

[jagged gust]

Empty spaces 😬

[sharp gale]

and ofc i have druid forms binded (on the same buttons as my war stances / my mouse wheel)

[frosty mango]

bm doesnt have enough buttons

to fill them

3 button spec, sims higher than my warrior

good job blizz

[sharp gale]

oh boy

[earnest cove]

You might want to check out „OPie“ Addon. Clears up bars, and keybinds because you can group anything you want with that. I.e mounts (any kind) and have the option with quick bind to use it as „regular“ button. Utility groups like professions or teleports can also shared on multiple characters

[jagged pebble]

is bandit agro weird or is it just us? im constantly ripping threat sometimes with only auto attacks

[patent scroll]

Do you have logs

[sharp gale]

monk co-tank ?

and the goal of p1 is to kill the assistants btw

not to hit the boss

your co-tank might be hitting the assistants and you are alone hitting the boss

(demolish the assistants it will help to kill the boss and might fix aggro issues)

[jagged pebble]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GQ9rMZb48vhBkLgH

[jagged pebble]

blood dk

im usually cleaving with revenge and shield slamming the adds

[sharp gale]

which pulls ?

[jagged pebble]

thats why it feels so odd

i shouldve noted that

lemme tell you when it happens

[patent scroll]

Guessing pull 22 at least

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GQ9rMZb48vhBkLgH?fight=43&type=damage-done&start=10852804&end=10855805&pins=0%24Separate%24%23909049%24auras-gained%241%240.0.0.Any%24128986710.0.0.DeathKnight%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2456222&target=567&source=274&view=events
And like yeah (better view edit)

That's a taunt

[sharp gale]

yeah it's the first switch

i'm trying to find which pulls too

[patent scroll]

Yeah, at that point you had done 26 mil damage and had threat, BDK taunts and does 0 in the window, while you slap the boss for 8 mil with demolish

Which is roughly 6 mil too much to rip

[jagged pebble]

alright got it

guess i was slamming boss too much

[patent scroll]

Yes and no, they should've hit the boss with something in the window, regardless if you're supposed to be killing the adds

Just sending taunt and doing 0 in the taunt window threat amp is like giving Ion the wheel

[sharp gale]

pull 10

he moves to the right add to move the boss, you are still hitting the boss

pull 14, the same

you are hitting the boss, he is hitting the assistant

[jagged pebble]

alright got it

was just the testrun but that helps a lot

thank you all!

[sharp gale]

(that's the pull 10 / you see he goes to the assistant on the right)

[jagged pebble]

makes sense

[sharp gale]

i just look where you died from the big hit

[jagged pebble]

in the last tries i started ignoring the boss when adds are up

and now it worked perfectly

[sharp gale]

any boss damage doesn't matter that much in p1

unless your strat want to skip the last 2 sets

[jagged pebble]

i think they want to play it

[sharp gale]

the last i don't think so

it is a HUGE dps stop

[pallid quiver]

just cheat and don't lose dps

it's so simple

[jagged pebble]

tbh we just training the first sets lmao

p2 is further than me from good tankgameplay

[sharp gale]

huge pp

[warm plinth]

what's pp in french

[sharp gale]

penis

[jagged pebble]

baguette

[sharp gale]

Huge advice (kill the adds)* i cut the name of the buff

[jagged gust]

Pierre poilievre

[mild river]

A question about Momma in floodgate. You guys [focus boss and cleave adds] or [focus adds and cleave boss]?

[jagged gust]

I'll focus boss for a bit just to establish aggro from the pug I know isn't gonna target the adds

[sharp gale]

I focus boss

[jagged gust]

We've got a rebel

[lilac steppe]

Noob question,

Recently picked up Prot and I am having a hard time with rotation, namely not looking at my buttons while playing. I have come off playing Balance and Destro and they have very little to track so I can play with only a few abilities on my screen.

Its a severe L2P issue but any tips? Not played a class where pretty much every button has a CD

[charred ivy]

what u usually drop if u want disruptive shout?

[thick dust]

Good wa tracking imo helps with this. Track sb, thunderclap (beside other cds). And u have to continue playing imo until its burned into muscle memory

[midnight berry]

You'll get used to it, I haven't played since WoD, started a prot, the first few m+ were rough(in terms of rotation, and everything), now its pretty smooth, keeping track of cds and such, just keep playing it. Also, I had hard time with IP/Shield block management, theres a sweet WA for that!

[lilac steppe]

yea I think muscle memory will be the way to go, got those abilities tracked. Just trying some dungeons and its like juggling plates except there on fire 😄

[thick dust]

I spent lot of time on dummy too. It helps me on my bdk too if there is smthing new to learn

[lilac steppe]

Hope so, I had a look at the WA in the discord but they were a bit too much for me

[thick dust]

I personally made whole wa for myself. Took few hours but it paid back so good cos its tailored for me and shows everything i wanna see

[midnight berry]

The WA that I just is just for IP/Sb, enough for now, very good for starting off, imo.

[lilac steppe]

I've kept it basic as well, got one for rage and I use the key built in cooldown manager to track IP and SB

[frosty mango]

Focus adds until boss is in kill range then focus boss

Boss will get a shield if adds don’t die so not focusing them is pointless

[somber moss]

Anyone else have ptsd from last boss of floodgate, melee always taking puddles

[solid sun]

I've been leaping to a spot where there are plenty of puddles for the ball to hop into

And tank the boss towards the arena entrance to eat the tank buster before going back to the mechanism where he does the electric lines

Seems to have countered the extra affix where everyone else takes my puddles

[frosty mango]

Stand in a puddle

Move when sparks spawn

Ezpz

[boreal swallow]

Anyone know what weak aura or plater Yoda is using to track rixxa's auto attack busters?

[lusty grotto]

no idea, search wago

but as a general rule of thumb, when she's moving, she's auto attacking

if shes stuck in place, shes not

or rather, when you can move her, not when shes moving

[lusty grotto]

nimchipadin is ready to heal

but first, a trial run in an 11 delve

[round cliff]

i wish i could heal

[nocturne spindle]

anyone need an eye

[lusty grotto]

i havent healed proper content since... SL

[round cliff]

but im afraid of learning new things because when im bad at things i feel like a bad person

[lusty grotto]

and by SL i mean s1

[round cliff]

i havent healed proper content ever

[lusty grotto]

pro tip

[round cliff]

i set up my cell frames and keybinds for mistweaver and chickened out

[lusty grotto]

youre always bad when you start lol

no reason to be afraid of it

[round cliff]

tanking is just dpsing with routes tbf i didnt have much of an adjustment period there

but healing is all diff

[lusty grotto]

i actually started MMOs healing

EQ1 i was a druid, so i healed

and had an alt tank

vanilla was when i made the swap

into Arms/Prot

[round cliff]

everquest......

[lusty grotto]

havent you heard im ancient

[round cliff]

my ass was not even alive tragically

when it came out

[lusty grotto]

you didnt miss much, it was good during its time, thats about it

nostalgia blows

[round cliff]

mistweaver sounds really fun, in concept

but idk how to learn new things tbh tbh

like yea get in and do it but shit feels clunky until u figure it out

and i dont like the clunk phase

[lusty grotto]

yeah mistweaver sounds fun

but

during legion it was the one healer i just didnt get

it made mage tower healing boss the worst for me

it obviously has changed a shitton since then so

maybe one day ill pick it back up

[round cliff]

being a monk main triple threat is my platonic ideal

but blizz hates green class

ww almost never works properly, brm has bottom 1 vfx/sfx design and mw is fine ig

[sacred urchin]

Blizz hates any non paladin or mage

Don't you lie to me

[lusty grotto]

any non mage or warlock

you mean

hmm this feels too easy

[sharp gale]

I was terrified in S1 the first weeks on my rdruid but after getting better it is really enjoyable to save a bad situation imo

[somber moss]

Thanks ill try this, I usually pre leap but they still get taken and the fear of eating the tank buster off the edge because of wierd puddle spawn or worse stuned

[pallid quiver]

A lot of it is pressing your CDs when damage come out

As a whole for healers

it's that simple on most baseline levels

[sharp gale]

And some are ramp healers

[pallid quiver]

Ramp heals are the same thing; the ramp is activated by the CDs

Flourish on Resto Doodad is the key example of that

For H Pala, I don't think they have too many CDs like that; most are send, then start pressing WoG/Holy Light if buffed iirc

[sharp gale]

I love flourish, I always play that

Hpal doesn’t have glimmer anymore I think

[pallid quiver]

i don't even know what glimmer is, so you're probably correct

[sharp gale]

you put a buff with holy shock on your allies or enemies, when you holy shock it touch everything with glimmer

Monk took it on their toolkit

[pallid quiver]

oh they're back to using beacon of faith, as well

[lusty grotto]

yeah

im not particularly sold on it i like virtue a lot

im used to virtue since BFA/SL healing

its not too complex either way

yeah glimmer is gone

[sharp gale]

Hpal is the n°2 healer I will play, when I’m ready to lvl my paladin

[lusty grotto]

i did like glimmer in BFA, but i understand why hpal mains wanted it gone

[sharp gale]

Idk why they wanted it gone since I don’t play it, but didn’t the spec became much worse when they removed it ?

[warm plinth]

They'd been trying to force non-glimmer playstyles for quite a while before they totally removed it

[lusty grotto]

part of it is that it kept getting nerfed

the other part is, glimmer healing in raids was kinda aids

i.e. keeping 8 targets glimmered etc

[sharp gale]

Yeah I guess that’s the things that are annoying, like on Druid the necrolord thing you had to manage was cancer

[lusty grotto]

glimmer used to be extremely strong in BFA

but every season it got nerfed, until DF where it was just... meh

and it forced the dumb caster hpals to play melee

[sharp gale]

Dazar alor, the raid glimmer of light was borned,

[lusty grotto]

corruptions hpal was fucking sick

then venthyr hpal until that also got giga nerfed

[sharp gale]

Corruptions were sick

The remake is to make us forget

2 days before I boost horrific visions once again I guess

[lusty grotto]

i mean its not even the same thing

hpal played ineffable and hasteful

and there's no neck powers

[sharp gale]

I know, the neck power which gave PvP talent was genius idea

[lusty grotto]

i didnt play it

if you mean tclap root

[sharp gale]

But also an idea from the devil on how to get it

Yep

[lusty grotto]

i absolutely hated it

so i refused to play it

[sharp gale]

I played brew back then, I didn’t play it

[round pendant]

Nobody ever starts off good

[sharp gale]

But the talent on brew was the AoE damage when you purify

[round pendant]

Simply be less self critical

[sharp gale]

So it was banger

[toxic gyro]

It was crazy strong in some dungeons. Not to mention you could reach like 130% vers with it

[lusty grotto]

no, that was versatile

we're talking about the tclap root

which i absolutely hated it

[sharp gale]

It was conflict and strife minor thing the vers is doubled when stunned

[lusty grotto]

im a lucid dreamer and vision of perfection gamer

yeah it was conflict and strife

[toxic gyro]

This.

[lusty grotto]

oh true i forgot about that

[sharp gale]

But you didn’t have to slot it as major to have it

[lusty grotto]

yeah its whatever, you already had versatile for high keys anywya

[toxic gyro]

And root from pvp talent was hella good in dungeons like TD

[lusty grotto]

i did TD without it

the big ass pull

[toxic gyro]

On what lvl

[sharp gale]

And vision of perfection seems good in the expansion tclap prot came out

[warm plinth]

We were immune to everything in TD anyway

Like 99% lockable damage in that key

Blockable

[toxic gyro]

I mean it was doable with any power but it doesn’t mean that pvp one wasn’t really good and made certain pulls easier

[lusty grotto]

except on s1 lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah we dont talk about TD and ML in S1

[lusty grotto]

but we dont talk about it

im not saying it wasnt good

im saying i fucking hated it

any time i cannot generate rage, it feels fucking awful

same thing applies with sanguine

[sharp gale]

The gameplay was awful yes

[lusty grotto]

and/or kiting in general

[warm plinth]

I loved it in my brief foray into prot war 2v2 where I would regularly catch druids mid travel form wild charge with it

[sharp gale]

I had my brewmaster memories when I said I liked conflict and strife I’m sorry Nim

[toxic gyro]

Going into ashran brigdge blender and rooting people every other gcd

[warm plinth]

I think I was always a vision major though

Yeah it was funny shit

Or rooting people mid in eots and then dragon charging them right after and yeeting them into the nether

[sharp gale]

I always take the tclap root in heroic bg

[toxic gyro]

Yup

[spice iron]

I'm a bit confused when it comes to Dinars. On Wowhead it says that you only get items on myth track, except for House of Cards, and Bomb Suit. So if you don't do mythic, you just straight up ignore Jastor Diamond?

[lusty grotto]

yea

jastor barely outsims myth/crafted rings

hero jastor

so you just ignore it

[spice iron]

Is that BiS myth track rings, or any general myth track rings?

[lusty grotto]

any myth track ring

but of course a myth track ring going into heavy diminishing returns territory will sim lower

so it depends on your allocation

if you dont do myth the list provides 4 options

two of which requires timing all 12s

[spice iron]

My warrior won't be pushing any impressive content, he mostly exists to outperform my co-tank due to spite

[lusty grotto]

then youre in droptimizer territory

but the last two are highly recommended since you cant farm it elsewhere

[spice iron]

I will do a HC clear and make my purchase after that then I guess

[coarse latch]

I know DBM tells me when to use a defensive, but does it also say when to use a magic defensive?

[lusty grotto]

no

just open the sheet that spinned

second to last pin by Sense

it has all the information you need

[coarse latch]

You read my mind, probably been asked a bunch ty

And then keystone guru for routes right?

[lusty grotto]

raider.io weekly route

keystone guru routes can be ok

r.io links to keystone either way

[coarse latch]

Ohh cool. Had no idea that existed. Thanks, can that be imported into mdtools too?

[lusty grotto]

sure

[coarse latch]

Thanks!

[undone beacon]

finally got a bombsuit for the bear

now, we are truly living

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/griz-kick-gif-7697176456772720767

[undone beacon]

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