protection

[lusty grotto]

at a hero level, which is what youll have available on the vendor

[ionic abyss]

well luckily i didnt ask whether i should or not, i asked what i should use it on to get the most value out of it since im going to do it.

[lusty grotto]

okay

[idle copper]

if you spend them now youll get lower level gear - if you wait until you have unlocked all 12s you can get Mythic Dungeon gear

[ionic abyss]

I dont plan on running 12's with this guy, its a for fun alt that will likely not see past 8's

[lusty grotto]

buy whatever you feel like

[sinful copper]

I mean you're using it on hero gear, so it's hard to say. U could buy a trinket, then run a 6 and get that same trinket at hero immediately

Or pick between pacemaker and tome. Pick whichever one comes from the dungeon u like less, either priory or floodgate

[chilly brook]

@lusty grotto finally

[lusty grotto]

nice

[chilly brook]

I may have paid for it but finally

[compact oriole]

on murlok io there is a prot warr in top 3 running 40% mastery.. new strat? lol

[chilly brook]

I mean yeah new one but not a good one

[sinful copper]

Prob running their legendary.... Fury loadout

[lusty grotto]

"new one"

dont make me summon choco so he regales us with stories of his redditor friend

[round cliff]

did bro come in to ask a question and get told an answer he didn't like and leave

[lusty grotto]

lol its fine

if hes not serious about the character, any buy he makes should be good

no need to worry about optimizing on that level tbh

not saying it negatively, its simply ok given the context

[round cliff]

what do normal people do when all ur ongoing pointless convos abruptly end and all ur feeds are dry

[lusty grotto]

post memes

[mighty valley]

i guess if you're fucking around on an alt in m+ i'd say just grab trinkets

house of cards and idk. seaforium

everything else you can craft if you care

[lusty grotto]

dont worry, that guy giga left

mage main seems like

cause hes in Altered Time 🙂

would explain some things lol

[mighty valley]

i play mage correctly (get my mage to max level every expansion and say "ok i'm gonna play this alt seriously for sure" every single season and then never do)

mage was my first vanilla main though! topped dps charts as the first person in my guild to realize you were just meant to press one button

[lusty grotto]

lmao

funny story

that i just remembered

our highest parsing rogue

in vanilla, got recruited cause he outdpsed every single one of ours

and he had a barman shanker or some shit from BRD

while our rogues were decked in epics and shit

turns out, he figured out SnD

[mighty valley]

barman shanker was peak extremely early

when weapon speed > all

[lusty grotto]

yea

[mighty valley]

but it took a debuff slot LOL

[lusty grotto]

this was during MC, so debuff slots werent really something people worried about

[mighty valley]

man. on my server, early-ish, people were like "rogues are basically useless, except you need a few for the bwl suppression room"

then people started installing damage meters

and realized

"oh"

[lusty grotto]

LOL

[gilded heart]

So, revenge does less damage than whirlwind unless I get a free cast proc. Do I want to be casting revenge normally, or whirlwind? 🤔

And like, slam does more damage by a lot, but WoWhead and whatnot never says to push it.

Am I just spamming revenge despite it being lower damage?

[lusty grotto]

what level are you

[chilly brook]

so based on the idea that BrV isn't working properly I'm starting to wonder FbV is actually worth it

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt be using whirlwind at all

or slam

or rend since thunderclap applies it

[gilded heart]

Does the damage not matter?

[lusty grotto]

sense said its not

[lusty grotto]

what level are you

[chilly brook]

I know I saw the numbers but it's so incredibly close

[gilded heart]

49, but even with all the talents that buff it that I don't have, it's lower damage without a proc.

[lusty grotto]

ok just because im bored im gonna run this one

[chilly brook]

if FbV isn't completely bugged though it's better than BrV

[mighty valley]

brv is also bugged though lol

[warm plinth]

Yeah, you press Revenge, because Whirlwind doesn't reset Shield Slam, and at max level, Revenge will do more damage.

[chilly brook]

I understand, we didn't exactly establish how consistent it is etc.

but in bugged state if it's completely consistent it's barely worse

[lusty grotto]

176.6k vs 211.4k

[chilly brook]

and if it's inconsistent it pulls ahead

[mighty valley]

idk, all the numbers i've seen of real scenarios show brv providing more value in the current state of both talents, and in any case it's not really a difference making choice

[lusty grotto]

following up on what Mastery said: shield slam is our #1 priority so you also want the resets

SS generates rage -> more rage goes into Anger Management when spent -> Avatar and Wall cdr

hits like a fucking truck with outburst and hero talents

plus you need rage to spend on Revenge

and on Shield Block and when almost capped, Ignore Pain

[warm plinth]

There are a number of talents that increase Revenge damage as well, while only one increases Whirlwind.

[lusty grotto]

did all of that make sense @gilded heart

yes, quite a lot

[mighty valley]

they could kill many of these talents and revenge resetting shield slam would still make it the go-to button

[warm plinth]

Yep

[lusty grotto]

of course

as we did before DF

anyway thats why i asked what level he was

cause it was obvious from the start he didnt have the talents, if the output is not more than whirlwind

[ruby musk]

I vaguely remember someone doing the math and revenge was getting like 400%+ damage from talents as Colossus (idk about MT I don't play it).

[lusty grotto]

its not a hard number

cause colossus might factors in

which is 7% per stack

[sharp gale]

Why I hop on the channel and I see whirlwind debate

[lusty grotto]

its not a debate, he was just asking

[sharp gale]

That’s too much words and numbers to say don’t press whirlwind

[lusty grotto]

he asked about it

i did tell him not to use it heh

first and foremost

[sharp gale]

Not read

[warm plinth]

Tbf he didn't ask for the numbers; we just like to overanswer in these parts, and I'll thank you not to judge us.

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[sharp gale]

Don’t press whirlwind or slam nim I know you can do it

[lusty grotto]

i did say that

[warm plinth]

See what you've made me do

[lusty grotto]

when ghash

when will ghash return

[sharp gale]

But maybe one day we will press WW

[warm plinth]

Ghash is dead; Skyhold killed him

[lusty grotto]

how dare

[warm plinth]

He can still be found in this super tiny tooltip

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

first 16 down

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Conga-rats

[sharp gale]

[chilly brook]

high keys very rewarding

[warm plinth]

Wait, guys

I have it

We need the core constituents of Skyhold to each incorporate a bit of the FAQ into our names

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

Then we never have to answer a question ever again!

[sharp gale]

Ape strong together

[lusty grotto]

🐒

[sharp gale]

I don’t think we are enough lurkers just for the dinar questions

[chilly brook]

uhhhh

guys?

[sharp gale]

Where is your blood beast

Oh it’s all the way down

[astral frost]

has anyone gotten rid of the siren isle ring? I'm getting tired of that shit

[lusty grotto]

i havent

but i will soon

[sharp gale]

I got rid of it when I had a 658 + crafted ring

[lusty grotto]

raidbots will favor me

[sharp gale]

Like third week of the season

[lusty grotto]

my rings are basically my lowest piece atm

but thats fine

also didnt get cauldron ring tonight

[warm plinth]

Thank you for your contribution to the FAQ Nim

[lusty grotto]

even though it dropped the council didnt feel like handing it out to me

forever hero track rings

[warm plinth]

Now we can start frequenting other spec's channels and confuse people

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

On a cooler note

Did you hear that turning lead into gold is no longer a myth (at least on an incredibly insignificant scale)?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i read something about it the other day

[warm plinth]

I thought it was pretty cool!

[lusty grotto]

LHC stuff

[warm plinth]

I've already started building my own particle accelerator

In 18 quadrillion years, I'll be rich

[lusty grotto]

lol you just gotta freeze time

[chilly brook]

not even mine, just someone I ran this 16 with, like can you even be that unlucky or is it just a case of not pressing buttons?

[warm plinth]

This is like bitcoin mining taken to the next level

[lusty grotto]

cause apparently it lasts basically nothing

[warm plinth]

Yeah, it's like when you're driving down the interstate and catch a glimpse of a raccoon off the side of the road

"Oh I think that was some gold"

[lusty grotto]

schrodinger's raccoon

[warm plinth]

OH

OH

I forgot

I was driving home from work on Thursday and I saw a mama goose leading her goslings across the road

It was adorable af

[sharp gale]

It can happen, I did a DfC this season with a udk friend, he procced 3 beast in the entire dungeon, 2 exploded after the pack died

[lusty grotto]

until you get close

or basically anywhere

fucking geese

[warm plinth]

I was in a car so it was adorable

If I were on foot, it would've been terrifying

[lusty grotto]

ah, np then

[warm plinth]

Although, there is a guy in MPF who has three pet geese that he takes for walks on leashes

[lusty grotto]

have you asked how did he come to have such huge balls

[warm plinth]

I'm scared to ask if I'm honest

[lusty grotto]

yeah he'd probably delete your existence with a stare or something, thats some powerful shit

[sharp gale]

Nim have you heard of crafting ? I replaced cyrce as fury with 2 crafted ring, I’m sure we drop it sooner as prot, we are not that mastery enjoyers, unless someone have a discord name which tellls me mastery is not that bad

[lusty grotto]

oh man

[warm plinth]

Why are you like this

[lusty grotto]

[sharp gale]

The turntables have turned

[frosty mango]

Speak for yourself I am a mastery enjoyer

Mast/vers all day

[sharp gale]

Tbf I’m now a mastery enjoyer since I recrafted things into mastery / haste to be able to wear it as prot and fury

I lost like 10k crit

[round cliff]

i can spellblock kujo aoe???

[pallid quiver]

It is extremely funny that when I open Discord, this is the first convo I see, because when I was biking home today, I ran into a very similar circumstance with geese and their little ones. They hissed at me at first until I just went oast them and waited for the streetlight, then they just awkwardly shuffled away as if nothing happened.

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

I'm pretty sure the geese recognized me, since they regularly visit that exact spot

So I pass by them a lot every year

I just spooped them a bit I think

[lusty grotto]

do you happen to have 3 geese that you walk around on leashes

[pallid quiver]

no, but i do try to provide food and cover for them if I get the chance

[lusty grotto]

do you happen to worship satan by any chance

[pallid quiver]

Only on Tuesdays

[sharp gale]

Why you feed satan ???

[lusty grotto]

i see i see

[pallid quiver]

because the geese are nice to me and are fun to have around; they're not canadian geese or anything, so they're fairly docile outside of baby time

[sharp gale]

Exactly the same thing

[lusty grotto]

🤝

[sharp gale]

They are nice first to hurt you more once they honk at you, hurt by pain and betrayal

[lusty grotto]

50 mins later

poor nimchipadin

[sharp gale]

You can buy a shield and 1 hand at the AH and fix your problem

[lusty grotto]

yeah im probably doing that tomorrow, time for

[warm plinth]

Night qtpie

[stiff gate]

which dungeons do you guys run mud vs bombsuit for a defensive trinket? ive heard some people like mud in floodgate since big momma is the scariest part and her dot gives you some cdr, but im not sure if its enough to bring the cd down to equivalent to bombsuit or not

[sinful copper]

does spell block do anything against magic dots?

[cerulean olive]

Always bombsuit

passive haste and shield works well with ignore pain

[stark vector]

Hi
Which trinket should i buy for m+ ?, i can only buy hero versions. Atm i have House of Cards and Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker

[mighty valley]

generally no but sometimes randomly yes

[cerulean olive]

i'd always recommend Bombshell for more aggressive and faster pulling.

[round cliff]

id recommend not spending dinar on a heroic tank trinket

u have house of cards and pacemaker, why do u want another m+ trinket

u have the set

[sharp gale]

What should he buy with his dinars ?

[cerulean olive]

Dunno the keys hes running but to me bombsuit is a must in 15+ keys.

[frosty mango]

Isn’t that a korn song? Geese on a leash?

[frosty mango]

Mud is very good for floodgate and priory

Imo better than bomb suit given the cdr there, we did some poking at it over the past few days and I think that was basically everyone’s consensus

[sharp gale]

On my alts the dinars give me some headaches too

[frail ibex]

I am

so defeated rn

17 ws

p2 on last boss

5 mins left on the timer

its timed so long as nobody fucks up

What happened?

I dc.............................................................................................

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[stark vector]

Im running 10-11 atm, just started to go higher , even if 12 is not high for you, it is for me:). And we dont usually have the best setup in our runs :).

[vast epoch]

Nobody accused them being high or low

Also mythic Tome/pacemaker i guess once you get your 12s done

Bombasuit is fun like mentioned above but not sure it's value before 14/15

[sinful copper]

so like..... can someone give me a hint on how to survive 16 priory 1st boss?

cuz.... that hurt

is there a key overlap where i want spell block? can i even spell block the non-boss guy's tank buster?

[jagged pier]

check the sheet in the pins

[sinful copper]

Any other tips? Also, what's the lieutenants abilities called at the boss when u go left path? I can't find it in the sheet

[idle copper]

Hi, I dont normally tank workshop - about to pug a 12 - first pull do i pull the whole room or half and half?

[round cliff]

i pull the first, right, and far packs first

then pull left when all the bombs from first 3 are dead

[idle copper]

Thank you

[unborn island]

I don't believe spell block works on the lieutenant's abilities.

Best tips are good CD management, leverage externals, run Bombsuit/mud, be a dwarf

Honestly in that fight I often sit on avatar for wall as well rather than sending it. The tank buster dots come out like every 20 seconds or something so you're unlikely to be sitting on it for too long

Try and use spell reflect for every magic buster as well

[split snow]

How good is heroic Jastor diamond to buy with dinars, given that it is heavy mastery and mastery is our lowest priority stat?

[daring narwhal]

for damage, you can just sim

[strong forum]

heroic jastor is NOT worth

gets easily beat by ilvl

[cerulean olive]

get aug with you so your bleed can be cleansed

[warm ivy]

question: M+ player without access to mythic raid loot. currently trinkets are bombsuit (hc) and peacemaker (myth). What should I spent the dinnars on? mythic tome?

[strong forum]

that and or heroic house of cards

[unborn island]

Devoker also works 🙂

That's what I would do in your scenario

[earnest cove]

As if any evoker actually uses the ability 🙂

[round pendant]

And that's wow in a nutshell

[steady pollen]

Ok, +12 ML, WORK? No issues, +10 Brewery first pull, eatin alive

[wraith ibex]

Jastor's drops out of combat. Lots of lost value in my opinion.

[steady pollen]

I tend to double muscle pull with lust on other tanks Brewery, but the same im getting chewed up, shield block / shield wall active

[split snow]

What would you suggest?

[wraith ibex]

That first pull isn't just dependent on you, everyone needs to do the thing.

[steady pollen]

I just feel like I'm dropping like a stone, in a way my Guardian/VDH dont

[wraith ibex]

I current rock siren isles ring and a huge haste vers stat stick.

[steady pollen]

Feels like in that instance Im doing something wrong

[wraith ibex]

Are you consistently rolling your active mit through it? The boss doesn't really slap, so I run through my shield walls and rally and everything to just stay stable.

[unborn island]

The thing which hurts there is the dot if you pull too many of the neutral mobs, we don't have self heal like those other tanks, and we can't really mitigate the dot. The healer has to actually heal you.

More likely, if other people pull too many of the neutral mobs 🙂

[round pendant]

Yeah you just gotta be healed

Dots are pwars weakness so

It shouldn't really hurt that much in 10s unless your dps are just doing 0 dam and you're getting tons of extra stacks

[steady pollen]

doesn't feel like it should, which is the confusing part

[jagged pier]

finally done

[viral jackal]

Damnnnn

683 ilvl?! Fuck

I’m only 676 and thought I was doing pretty well

[patent scroll]

I barely broke into 670

[round pendant]

y'all have ilvls?

[idle copper]

Does anyone have a good youtube video for the ?wall skip at the beginning of ML - ive started doing 12s and people are getting bent out of shape with no skip?

[dense ingot]

Just do a tiny little jump to the right if you set it to normal and go practice it's super easy

You should also be able to warrior jump over it

[idle copper]

I honestly dont know where it is , someone linked a MDT route with a squiggly line but still cant figure it

Groups seemingly want to skip the Big mech guys and the packs that are with them

Also where do you pick up the %? right at the end?

[tender pond]

people play the entire end part yea

its incredibly efficient

[dense ingot]

https://puu.sh/KtGcu/2906b1192d.png

[tender pond]

cuz u can just pick up like 20 mines

[idle copper]

ty

[dense ingot]

there's this little set of boxes to the right of the dance floor/peacekeeper, you hop up on the top one and jump a tiny bit to the right

https://puu.sh/KtGcy/b3bd3a4584.png

so you end up like this, then you can just hop up and over

But you can also just warrior leap from the top of those boxes down over it

[idle copper]

ty
The route i was linked then ran around the big mechs and the packs - thats correct yep?

[dense ingot]

https://puu.sh/KtGcS/ebed516b51.png

Yeah you can solid snake those peacekeepers and the pack by hugging the wall there, then just run forward afterwards after the peacekeeper pats away

[idle copper]

So over the wall - then left and hug the side of the wall to go past the pat and the pack next to the lampost

[keen leaf]

Just tell them your driving and u can spell reflect the big mech's anyway

[cerulean tusk]

Pull bigmech into small things, and go "no prio dam? you mad? mad bro? Just reflect bro"

If you want to practise/see the skips, just do a normal dung alone, and it all makes sense once you tried it

[idle copper]

Ive just practiced it on Normal, if i change it to heroic will the mobs have the same aggro circle as M+ to give me a better feel?

[cerulean tusk]

Agro works the same, yep

[idle copper]

Last stupid question sorry

[cerulean tusk]

No stupid questions, just stupid answers - zup?

[idle copper]

With the wall skip route
At the very beginning, keep tight left and pull the mobs with the decommisioned mech to the thug and assasins to the right of the first active mech (but dont pull thaty mech) ?
edit:: added question mark

[cerulean tusk]

That isnt a question, if you don't mean to ask if that is what you are supposed to do?

[keen leaf]

That's what a lot of people do, just make sure u int the assassins

[idle copper]

Thats a question sorry

[jagged pier]

is this all for a 12 tho? there is no supposed or not supposed to do, just press W and u will time all 12s

[proper scarab]

i know is not ideal but what abilities are ok to macro together as Prot warrior ?

[cerulean tusk]

If you are pulling in jockeys, just make sure they are far away from the bots so they dont run to activate their rides. Other than that, there isn't much to worry about. You interupt assasins and the...

uhm

refreshers?

The frostbeams

[keen leaf]

theyre gonna kill you bro, u cant ask that

[proper scarab]

lol

[jagged pier]

charge and intervene
then none

[proper scarab]

yeah got that one

just curiosity about other ppl plays styles

[keen leaf]

You can get 3k with shield block macro, I said what I said, pls dont hurt me

[cerulean tusk]

Not ideal, but functional: Aight
(step 1)
Charge+Shieldcharge
Shieldslam+Shieldblock
HeroicThrow+Pummel
(step 2)
Thunderclap+ignorepain
Victory Rush+ShieldWall
Ravager+Avatar

Need more, or?

[keen leaf]

I dont like the TC one lol

[cerulean tusk]

I dont like most of them, but that isn't the purpose

At this point tho, just wait for the 1 button macro

well, "button"

[mighty valley]

it’s true, you can get to 3k while playing quite poorly

[proper scarab]

i try that on ptr dont like it to much, unless you playing with controller i guess

[solid sun]

I agree with the no prio dam take. I have no intention of metal gear soliding around stuff in ml

[keen leaf]

I honestly just hold W because u need so much % in ML anyway

[cerulean tusk]

Well, he gotta learn the skips for efficency sooner than later. Do you need to do so in a 12? No.

Still it is easy, solid and no risk experience.

Fail and pull the bot? No worry, just drag it with.

[solid sun]

I’m fairly sure I can time at least up to a 14 without skipping anything

[dense ingot]

Sometimes CCing the brains of pugs by doing the route in the way they want to do it so they don't screech is a time save

[solid sun]

And if I’m pushing beyond that I’m def not pugging

[keen leaf]

You can time a 13 for sure, thats how I did mine lol, only the mage gave me shit but we timed it lol

[cerulean tusk]

How I timed 14:
Mage: "Link route"
Me: "Chuu chuu"
Mage: ???
Healer: Here we go again

[jagged pier]

if they complain u just say, 'want to plan the route?, lvl a tank'

[keen leaf]

Thats me 100%, my go to is "I'm driving"

[jagged pier]

i had a 3.4k mage in my group earlier who kept pining more packs to pull, then still did less damage than me

and died to loads of mechanics

[idle copper]

😂

[jagged pier]

nice boost man

[cerulean tusk]

There is no way that mage didnt ninjapull in stuff

mages always do

[keen leaf]

Mages are just hunter's in disguise

[cerulean tusk]

Especially fire

"I AM COBUUUUSTIN SOOHHN!" starts pulling random stuff left and right.

[idle copper]

Id honestly also just like to build in a bit of fudge time as im getting to (my) higher keys

[keen leaf]

I hope combustion gives you armor then 😂

[solid sun]

I think the only skip I’ve ever done in ML is the mech after the dance party area

And that’s just because my mate plays Evoker and flies me up to the top of the wall

Feeling like a passenger princess for a couple seconds is a nice vibe

[cerulean tusk]

While we say it isnt needed at low keys tho, I do stress the point:
Low level keys are the ones where the risk even when you fail them, is at their lowest. Higher you go, the more needed these time saves will be.

[round pendant]

god

Plater really sucks

[jagged pier]

then dont use it

[round pendant]

I'm contemplating it

I mean it has useful features

the options is just organised atrociously

[mortal cypress]

it has a search

[round pendant]

and for some reason it has some internal scaling which doesn't play well with my tism of wanting a pixel perfect ui

[slender bison]

Motherlode mech skip was promoted by VDHs. Prot warr counters them. The only reason we really skip is their 1% count. In non prot tank groups those mech do giga group damage

Extractors give 3% but those hurt us bad

People should learn why skips are done based on group comp and count

[misty moth]

No options are ever named what you think they would be named though

[idle copper]

Thank you

[mortal cypress]

idk, i never had an issue.....just figured it out

[fiery wren]

just timed my last 12

im supposed to get resiliant keystone achievment right? it never popped up

[round pendant]

I don't remember

but you can go talk to the panda npc near the portal room and she'll have some turn-in quest

if you've done it

[fiery wren]

yeah i did that

[warm plinth]

There are no achievements for it

There were going to be originally, but it was scrapped before it went live

[fiery wren]

ok i should be good then, ty

[gritty violet]

easy question. i'm gearing up my prot warrior finally. still have S1 weapon and trinket. it's best to use dinars on a trinket and craft a weapon, right? playing m+ only, up to about 10

[warm plinth]

You can verify if your key is resilient as well by just looking at the tooltip; it'll say resilient by the key level

[round pendant]

/dump GetAchievementInfo(41724)

There are achievements they're just hidden

strange

[warm plinth]

Strange indeed, especially since that's the same achievement ID that was assigned to the original achievement that was going to be in-game.

[mighty valley]

yeah, all weapons are about the same, you can’t craft trinkets

[idle copper]

Sods law, just timed my first 12 ML and they didnt want to do any skip :) (see previous conversation)

[round pendant]

People insisting on skips in 12s are just bad at the game

[slender bison]

Ok grampa let's get you to bed

[idle copper]

Wasnt me after it - just everyother ML i have been in someones got bent out of shape cause i didnt know the skip :)

[round pendant]

Yeah, they're bad

[slender bison]

Skips are cool because they give you room for error. Like deaths

[round pendant]

The risk:reward for skips isn't in favour of skipping in +12 pugs

You'll still easily +2 with zero skips even with a few deaths

[rigid spruce]

How do you feel about pulling the 2 packs on ML after 1st boss back into the boss arena? The extractor and patrol

[round pendant]

🤷‍♂️

[slender bison]

No, by the time you pull them, the rock casters will smash and extractor loads up for aoe

Learn the dance

[round pendant]

yeah I've tried that before and usually more people end up dying than just doing it on the spot

[idle copper]

I usually pull the 2 packs on the right back into the arena

Los them to the right hand wall

ride into them and leap back

[rigid spruce]

I might start going left again

[karmic plinth]

taking SD for TOP / WS - is it worth swapping off punish for juggernaut?

[slender bison]

Idk 3 punish stacks is 10% DMG off from that target. Depends on key level

[shadow jewel]

Genuine question how the hell do you tank the pack before second boss on rook every time I played it 2 or 1 dps folds even tho u cc the caster guys 😦

[shut summit]

https://i.imgur.com/DjB8v9f.png

[shadow jewel]

Legit started to avoid rook key still have it on 12 just cus every god dam time I pull that pack even tho healer has cds some one else just dies think this whole season I always had at least on death on it

[shut summit]

did some more testing of brutal vitality and lol

[jagged pier]

just split it on a 12

just do the guys next to the door after

[shadow jewel]

Yeah but try explaining that to ape dps to not pull it I’ve tried a few times but everyone goes “ ermmm I’ve seen this and this guy do it so we do it as well” 🫡

[jagged pier]

i dunno never had a problem

if i dont pull them they dont get pulled

just pull the group back a bit

[shadow jewel]

Idk I don’t pull it some times as well just to see how it would have been but someone always pulls it

[warm plinth]

What did you find?

[round pendant]

You gotta lust that pull

[shadow jewel]

Was thinking I’m doing somthing insanely bad that like I can change

[jagged pier]

the pull sucks if dps are bad

or healer

[shadow jewel]

Idk I’ll see to pull it even way further maybe that will stop the bs from happening thanks for your guys info

[jagged pier]

or just tell them when u get there, as we dont have lust we arent gunna double pull

[shadow jewel]

Yeah I did but it always get pulled by someone like not that it’s necessary but I’ve even linked rout and shi last key example I had a 3450 hunter pull it and he was even mad that I did not pull it and then rogue folded

[round pendant]

sounds like you just gotta run it back

eventually you'll get a group that doesn't grief you

[jagged pier]

like if ppl do that, thats on them trying to speed a 12 when your gunna time it regardless

is giga dumb

[shut summit]

the chart above

[warm plinth]

Oh, I'm fuckin blind lul

[round pendant]

BrV ignores demolish? nice thanks blizz

[jagged pier]

when ppl do that to me i will say ither 'u pull again for me i leave' (if im having a bad day) or 'if u want to choose the route level a tank'

[round pendant]

so FbV is actually gooder than I thought

[warm plinth]

Did something change where that choice even really matters though

[shut summit]

they are still about even because fbv acts weird as well with 85% healing instead of 110%

[round pendant]

what is this game

[shut summit]

Motherlode 18
Brutal vitality live value: 212mil extra ignore pain
Brutal vitality value (if fixed): 333mil extra ignore pain

So I am missing 121million extra ignore pain…or roughly 64 button presses of ignore pain, which is 2,240 rage.

If I would have used Fueled by Violence in the same dungeon:

Fueled by Violence (85% bugged value): 211.6mil healing
Fueled by Violence (110% correct value): 273.9mil healing

Cinderbrew 18
Brutal vitality live value: 252mil extra ignore pain
Brutal vitality value (if fixed): 384mil extra ignore pain

So I am missing 132million extra ignore pain…or roughly 70 button presses of ignore pain, which is 2,450 rage.

If I would have used Fueled by Violence in the same dungeon:

Fueled by Violence (85% bugged value): 288.1mil healing
Fueled by Violence (110% correct value): 372.9mil healing

[shadow jewel]

Yeah just I did not know rly since I’ve seen some people manage the pull much better even tho no lust and what not so I was thinking it was my fault completely I was even stressing like hitting ccs on the mobs and what not but just seems a very scuffed pull and don’t get me wrong I do get some normal dps that are chill and let me do my thing but moste of the time it goes south

[round pendant]

If it's a single pull that other groups are doing fine and it's going to shit it's probably not the tank's fault

unless the tank straight up loses aggro/dies

[viral jackal]

Maybe a dumb question but how many targets for revenge take priority over shield slam? Is it 2 or more?

[jagged pier]

it doesnt really ever

[round pendant]

never

[jagged pier]

one is a generator

one is a spender

[viral jackal]

Okay so always slam even if I can hit 5 with revenge

[jagged pier]

yes

[viral jackal]

Thats what I’ve been doing just wasn’t sure if correct lol

[swift zenith]

if i'm tanking candle king, should I avoid the path of the darkflame pickaxe even if I don't get the debuff?

[round pendant]

yeah you don't wanna get hit by the pickaxe

you'll be yeeted into narnia

[viral jackal]

I also really haven’t been stance dancing as Prot and feel like I probably should for the extra crit

[jagged pier]

u dont stance dance

no point anymore

d stance and forget about it

[viral jackal]

Ahh kk

Most of my parses are purple but trying to get better for higher parses

[jagged pier]

i mean parses in what? raid m+? because the depend on so much

the extra 3% crit makes pretty much no impact

[viral jackal]

Raid

[jagged pier]

yer depends on kill time, if your soing tank job or not, when u get tier set procs, if u get enough teir set procs, are dps hitting adds or ignoring them etc etc

3% doesnt make a dent in that

[viral jackal]

Yeah that makes sense

[round pendant]

it's chill to use bstance in raid

but yeah it won't make you parse pink

[slender bison]

Nice. Seems Fueled by Violence is competing, but probably better in low density dungeons? Like ToP? Sure, measurements depend if you have IP up to feed it in damage windows. But FbV is more consistent?

Like what's your IP uptime in those measurements?

[cerulean tusk]

It could be the theoretical diff between a pink and tho

[shut summit]

its only accounting for damage done while ip is up

[slender bison]

Is Deep Wounds for FvB boosted by Bloodborne in your measurements?

[shut summit]

no

[slender bison]

Damn. Need to give it a try.

[edgy oxide]

do we have a tier list what to get with the cartel chips? the one i found suggested the jester ring but that seems kind of bad

[viral otter]

wowhead prot warrior guide bis items

[deft hinge]

does that mean that macro ss to rev is a good idea?

[jagged pier]

No

[deft hinge]

kk

[cerulean tusk]

Macro shieldslam to revenge?

[deft hinge]

for snipes when revenging 🐽

[cerulean tusk]

but but but

[jagged pier]

That only works with IP because its off the gcd

[cerulean tusk]

gcd

1 button rotation, will make sure you never miss a shieldslam proc ever again

we saved

and the APM/CPM goes down too, as FINALLY they increase the GCD as a solution

Blizzard did it

[jagged pier]

Be interesting to see what it does for prot 😂

The macros ppl use niw arent very good for this spec at least

But ppl still push with them

[cerulean tusk]

"Sir, what if we make it so they cant spend enough rage?"
"... mah boy, they... the monsters... they will start using buttons you didnt know existed to fill GCDs... I seen things, toys, consumables, chargeweaving with a heroic throw..."

[obtuse pagoda]

Question for big brains, Is there a certain break point for crit/haste where i should start taking vers instead? im at 39% crit(23,450) and 44% haste( 20,276+ extra from being near friendlies) and only 2% vers (1600)

[jagged pier]

Nope no break point

[cerulean tusk]

Pre-edit:

[jagged pier]

I mean at that low may say vers is higher

But stats are far more just a vibe u vibe with more vers run vers

[cerulean tusk]

If you just wanna vibe - go haste, haste some more, then finally, get some haste. Sprinkle some crit on top.

[obtuse pagoda]

im at like 681 ilvl with all crit haste

jsut trying to figure out if i needed vers or not for higher keys

[cerulean tusk]

If you start seeing a pattern of you falling over from oneshots, literal oneshots, with all defencives (and trinky options) used. Then you might want to concider versa to survive that. Before then? Meh.

Just haste and crit, with whatever sidestats you gather along the way

[idle copper]

Just checking I have the crafted 681 Sword and Shield but only Heroe Pacemaker

I have access to the Myth Remix sword and Myth 684 Frontmans wall
Wowhead is recommending Myth 684 Pacvemaker

to spend my dinars that is

Remix sword and Frontmnans wall dont even make wowheads list

I already have Mythic tome (from vault)

[obtuse pagoda]

what sorta content do you do? also what other trinket are you running?

[jagged pier]

Buying wep and shield (that isnt titan) is troll with dinar theres so many sources and if u have unlcoked rik hes giga easy to kill so should be farmable

[idle copper]

I have myth Tomb and heroe Pace
I can comfortably do 12s - just done my first 13 which was hard work but dps was low
I am currently 3/8M - likely top out at 4/8m unless we get lucky

Its looking like go with Pacemaker and hope for drops from Rik - ty x

honestly forgot about mythic raid drops - only started Mythic last week, im used to not needing any loot from Raids

[wicked pollen]

jakey do you know if the sim uses wall on demolish if avatar isnt available

[obtuse pagoda]

honestly i recently started pushing as prot (3150 currently with a few 15s timed) and im currently running a myth tome and pace however im really starting to want a mud trinket to help on bosses like big momma in flood

[obtuse pagoda]

dont know if id nessacarily recommend wasting dinar on a myth mud tho, would jsut recommend picking one up. not sure if that input helps much

[idle copper]

I have a heroe mud byt have never thought about using it yet - Ive just switched into BSV for some of the harder 12s which im gettinmg value out of tbh

[obtuse pagoda]

bsv?

[idle copper]

Battle scarred veteren

[obtuse pagoda]

oh yeah 100%

[idle copper]

as much as the 12s seem easy for me its popping in brewery and PSF

[obtuse pagoda]

also make sure you are taking fueled by violence over brutal vitality

[jagged pier]

Ask nome

[obtuse pagoda]

Yoda jsut put out a video yesterday with alot of input/pov on talents for higher keys as prot since he jsut got done grinding to rank one prot

[idle copper]

Really? ill check it out ty

[wicked pollen]

@strong forum hi does the robot press wall before a demolish if avatar is not available to do maximum crankage

[idle copper]

I always thought Brutal vitality was the recommended - has something changed this - ive just looked at few of the raider io charts

most seem to be running FBV

[strong forum]

ye it does not

thats just a minimal optimsation, mostly for AoE

in ST its much less impactful

[wicked pollen]

how might one add that to apl

or robot sim

[frosty mango]

Didn’t we just go through this exercise yesterday where we tested it all out

And brv was better

I think @shut summit tested it out too in some higher keys

May have changed in that 24 hours tho

[jagged pier]

It hasnt, we have found out brv is slightly weaker than thought with the new stuff sense found

But it still comes out just ahead

But the gap is smaller now i suppose

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, didnt we go "ah, but on 20 targets or more then!" round too?

[sweet summit]

"actions+=/shield_wall,if=!buff.avatar.up&cooldown.demolish.remains<3" maychance

[tropic gorge]

i just hit 80 with my warrior, but damn demolish is my faavorite button to push. it's so good

[wicked pollen]

ty erga :3

[warm plinth]

Who cares anyway tbh. You have to take one or the other and the difference is whatever

[sweet summit]

:3

[warm plinth]

Hi ergaqt

[sweet summit]

hey babe

[lusty grotto]

ghash

its time to go back

[patent scroll]

It finally happened, simc wants me to equip mastery as a very minor upgrade on the same ilvl 🫡

[cerulean tusk]

Or hera me out, more haste, more clicks?

[gleaming knoll]

based and real (with full into the fray stacks)

[lusty grotto]

how much rating

[slender bison]

How you get so much crit baseline? I'm 26%

Ah, chest M+ from Brewery

T one has Mastery

[lusty grotto]

hes buffed

so far from baseline

i have more

buffed

[cerulean tusk]

33% crit doesnt sound like "he is buffed"?

[slender bison]

That low versa is gonna be your doom

[cerulean tusk]

My baseline crit

[gleaming knoll]

i gave up on making my stats work i just run with this now, i will suffer and so will my healer whenever i get the tiniest dot on me

[lusty grotto]

doesnt

[slender bison]

What add-on is that for penalties?

[cerulean tusk]

DoTs is the job of the healer either way, so meh?

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter

[gleaming knoll]

TrueStatValue

[lusty grotto]

yeah i have those exact ratings

well

close

[lusty grotto]

also this is incorrect

we just got up 6 item levels this week

[solid sun]

Yeah we don’t really target vers at all do we? Typically the advice here is to sim for damage and survivability follows

[lusty grotto]

some vers is good

[solid sun]

I’m not sure an item would ever sim higher just because vers is on it

[lusty grotto]

some

it would if crit is too high

[solid sun]

Ah I see

[lusty grotto]

thats why nome's bis set has the trashmaster cloak

[solid sun]

Does vers beat out mastery as an offensive stat

Well I mean I guess it doesn’t really matter. I just sim anyways

Let the robot tell me what to do

[lusty grotto]

it could depending on stat numbers

[nocturne spindle]

Everything being multiplicative of each other means eventually the lowest stat will give the best damage increase

Just a numbers game

[round pendant]

my own friend flamed me for not doing the candle during the aoe on the final boss of dfc

as a healer

I'm still learnding

as in, the small candles to refill the big one

when there's group wide aoe dam going out

[nocturne spindle]

What

That's like the whoever got the circle mechanic

[tribal wharf]

now

if only my tauren warrior, was as cool aas this

[hardy snow]

hc jastor sims higher for me than 681 crafted ring

[nocturne spindle]

Reject jastor embrace thicc ilvl

[solid sun]

Griff said that happened for them too

[round pendant]

yeah his argument against that is since the pugs who got the circle didn't do it, it's then my job to do it

but I'm like sure.. but in that moment I was healing the aoe

Then I made a cheeky joke about dps players saying things are a healer's job and he told me to fuck off

[paper nexus]

what do we buy with dinar? tome?

[solid sun]

Read the list on wowhead

Depends on what you have available

[hardy snow]

droptimizer on raidbots have nice table of purchasable items

[paper nexus]

tome I guess rest is shit

[lusty grotto]

the rest is not shit

[pallid quiver]

i mean house of cards is a peak trinket for us

[lusty grotto]

but its entirely up to you

[paper nexus]

house of cards sims lower than tome for me even 671 idk

[strong forum]

In pure ST, sure

[lusty grotto]

sure

[strong forum]

But uh

What is pure ST these days

[lusty grotto]

im guessing you dont have access to myth tracks

[paper nexus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mBTF64VtKpYxuh7zDDX2Jf
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qtsdxhJrXfTdnXEBBfvETb

I have all except gally

[lusty grotto]

go with your gut then

[strong forum]

[lusty grotto]

or what the sim suggests

[strong forum]

Whatever your heart tells you

If you don't want house of cards then pick whatever you like best

[paper nexus]

I don't do m+ much

[strong forum]

Is your character

Then tome it is

Tome + pacemaker is your best choice for raid then

For big dam

[paper nexus]

yeah lets go for tome

[pallid quiver]

yeah tome is mega cracked for raid

Neat trinky that works specifically with tank mechanics; I'd be down to see more like it

hint hint blizz cops peeking in here

[hardy snow]

I think Iwill wait for mugzee for knuckles and gally for jastor+shield even if hc jastor sims higher than crafted 🤷‍♂️

[solid sun]

Why knuckles

[hardy snow]

cause it sims higher than Rik's sword 😄

[lusty grotto]

in pure st

[waxen frigate]

I’m single targeting your mom

[lusty grotto]

i hope you took her to a nice dinner

and parsed

[hardy snow]

i care only about boss dmg in raid, im weird

[lusty grotto]

you do you, my friend

[hardy snow]

otherwise I could just get hc jastor now, then jastor and shield after mythic kill

[lusty grotto]

[hardy snow]

or maybe I will wait for gally to get jastor+shield+punisher for arms, time will tell

[lusty grotto]

why not best-in-slots

[solid sun]

You are hurting my brain

[lusty grotto]

fuck punisher lol

[solid sun]

And I have to listen to my own thoughts so that’s saying something

[waxen frigate]

Gold all night big dawg

[lusty grotto]

what a

[hardy snow]

i want its tmog anyway, and I dont like on-uses

[lusty grotto]

but you can get the mog with the renown thingie

[hardy snow]

or I can spend it on other weps

[lusty grotto]

yeah but

just run alts through LFR

lol

hell dont run them, just zone in

and grab the free token from the lady

[hardy snow]

I will after unlocking 2nd chip, but i dont have that many alts

[lusty grotto]

understandable

[hardy snow]

but if we have to wait till gally kill, its meaningless anyway

season done at that moment

[sinful copper]

Any big gamers have tips for tanking high priory first boss? What's your normal CD rotation for the tank busters?

I run with rsham so no externals

[nocturne spindle]

Wdym

Save ring for you

🙂

[steel cosmos]

Is there a priority list for dinars? My tank is only 657 so any dinar is an upgrade

[lusty grotto]

yes in wowhead

[slender bison]

Don't waste CDs when you don't have bleed. Use spell reflect during lieutenant holy aoe

[lusty grotto]

but in your case anything is good

[steel cosmos]

Thanks. Anyone else have wowhead just destroy chrome even with ad block?

[lusty grotto]

just go by the normal bis/trinket list

i use firefox

[round pendant]

holy shit

pug +6s as a healer are something else

this guy stands in Xav's frontal twice, other two are downstairs fighting like it's a real pvp battle

wiped twice

[sinful copper]

What about spell block?

I would use a big defensive like wall or avatar every time he cast Pierce armor. Is that right?

The lieutenant pretty much did a 8m dmg hit on me at the end when main boss was 2%. I forget what it was thought

[lusty grotto]

its pretty much the same thing you would do on momma

[sinful copper]

On big momma I would pop spell reflect on the tank buster and then shield wall to deal with the dot

[lusty grotto]

space out your 3 walls, use mud on those particular cases, dwarf on dailcry when the aoe is going out

[solid sun]

You can delay avatar for a mini wall if need be

[lusty grotto]

also demo shout

[sinful copper]

Do I need mud on 16+ priory and flood? I still use tome+pace

[lusty grotto]

its very good in flood in general

and its very good for specifically dailcry

its common sense, youre asking about an additional defensive

[sinful copper]

I would pop demo shout on CD, and avatar/wall for every pierce armor and spell reflect the lieutenants ability

[lusty grotto]

mud is around 55s cd on dailcry

[sinful copper]

But sometimes I'd not have a defensive so I would just spam ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

spam SS instead

for punish

that way you also have rage for any IP spam

[sinful copper]

Hmmm yeah. Damn I guess I need to farm a mud

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean just remember bomb suit is better in every other case

[dusty warren]

guys, I have House of Cards, Eye of Kezan e Pacemaker hero. Now, idk if I get Tome Mythic or Jastor Diamond Hero. Any help?

[lusty grotto]

myth tome has more value

thats why its ranked higher, and hero jastor isnt anywhere on the list on wowhead

[inland garnet]

Hey, is the infamous House of Cards also devalued in M+ upon dropping combat? Or it's still quite good

[solid sun]

Why is it infamous :o

[inland garnet]

Everyone is talking about it, using it etc 🙂

[patent scroll]

Wouldn't that make it just "famous" instead?

Looks like the buff stays on for 15 seconds?

[solid sun]

HoC is one of the best trinks you can have, but its value vs other trinkets will be dependent on what you have access to and how high you’re pushing

M tome and M pace are both probs > heroic HoC but you’d need to sim that

[lusty grotto]

what makes you think it would be, on its tooltip?

[inland garnet]

yeah, the tooltip

for context I resubbed two weeks ago, 655 ilev 2.5k rio aiming for 3k

not overly ambitious 🙂 running pugs only

[lusty grotto]

what on the tooltip makes you think that

does it say that it drops out of combat or something

[inland garnet]

bonus to future hands falls off when leaving combat

[lusty grotto]

you want it for the use

the rest is extra

[inland garnet]

how exactly does it work? you press it, and after 1.5m you press it again with bonus up 1x244 (whatever the number is) then 2x244 etc until you leave combat and restart

[lusty grotto]

not hard

press it with cds

[jagged gust]

That's certainly how it seems to be worded

one of those "just get lucky :)" kinda items

[inland garnet]

I see 🙂

[hearty terrace]

If you where to buy 1 thing with first coin bring “freash” what would it it

It be

[sharp gale]

Pacemaker

Mythic

[hearty terrace]

I said from fresh lol

Don't have all 12s yet

[solid sun]

I’d wait

Unless I’m never doing all 12s

[sharp gale]

I’d buy pacemaker mythic

And buy nothing / and do the raid etc every week until

Bc you have doggo ilvl, the time you grind a billion dungeon it will be 1/2 weeks in the future

[strong forum]

the on-use the only thing that matters

the "stacks" make up about 1% total mastery

completely irrelevant

[inland garnet]

Got it, thanks

[hearty terrace]

Yeah Okey never going to do mythic anything Lol its a key only too.

[lusty grotto]

did you mean "fresh"?

[jagged gust]

what kind of rend lore did I miss

[lusty grotto]

we did FAQ type nicknames last night

i had the shield block one

[solid sun]

Oh man I missed out

[hearty terrace]

Yep didn't see the miss spell

[sharp gale]

Yes, it’s just you are on a fresh alt, with worst gear in the world, it will take time to update it, you can do the raid or m+ and try to loot things the meantime, before needing the items to push 15s

[patent scroll]

It took me a week (and that weeks vault gave me myth Signet ) solo to get to a point where I just did 12s this reset

Literally leveled and geared in that timeframe

[sharp gale]

Yes so a week, you can do the raid twice

The last 3*

Bandit and gally*

[hearty terrace]

Yesh I'm 640 something atm

So I'm a lot behind doing 10s and shit but yeh

[sharp gale]

If you are curved etc shouldn’t it be hard to be accepted to gallys hc or skip runs

Bombsuit : you are against just the other pug tank and people who changed loot spec if it dropped

Hoc (we never know, people who used their dinars can’t roll etc)

[hearty terrace]

So do people use it? 🤷 on my Ppal been rocking Tome and Pacemaker

[sharp gale]

I use it in floodgate and in priory

Bc I don’t have mud btw

But I’m rocking on pacemaker + tome yes

[hearty terrace]

Roger! My Brew got hella lucky and is rocking it but I don't like doing no damage lol 😆

[sharp gale]

So why would you buy smth except myth pacemaker and myth tome

And now that I think more about it, if you buy something now, you add 3 weeks to the day you buy these one

[idle copper]

Why is trashmantles cloak bis? stats are ??

[jagged gust]

cuz they sim ~~thousands ~~ millions of different iterations of items and that's the random lucky one that worked for that particular set of gear

[frosty mango]

its only bis in the context of having all bis gear

[jagged gust]

wait a second

we've been had

[frosty mango]

the "bis" set is a sim of max ilvl everything

[mighty valley]

the bis list is near useless in reality for most players but they gotta keep putting them up because players will always google them

[frosty mango]

your personal bis will vary at any given time depending on your secondary spread which is why it says many times in the guide to sim your own char

[jagged gust]

six put their name as their comment

[hardy snow]

is echoing void simbait?

[nocturne spindle]

Are you asking if the unreleased enchat is sim bait

[sharp gale]

i took a second helmet in my vault to discover

[solid sun]

This made me giggle for a bit. Thanks for that

Guys I think I’m going to be a prot warrior forever. I think y’all are stuck with me

[hardy snow]

Why "unreleased"? It's in the game, just timegated

[nocturne spindle]

Whatever word you wanna use

[round pendant]

1:30am

no +6 pugs listed

dead game

[unborn island]

Tried my new Bombsuit on 16 floodgate

Man, that is a niiice safety blanket

[solid sun]

How nice was it

[unborn island]

Just felt all cosy and warm

Like...I couldn't really die with it up

[solid sun]

Is it similar to having a MW cocoon or better

[unborn island]

It gave me the same feeling of 'safety'

I imagine it's not better? But like...it was good

[solid sun]

Niiiiiiice

[nocturne spindle]

Guys I need the vdh gif

[jagged gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1369851066178473985/rlp.gif

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1369851065633345546/big2.gif

Just payin it forward

[obtuse ledge]

hi guys just picking up prot, ive done a few 2s and 3s to get the feel for it, been fine so far but i have a few questions. i checked out the FAQs, is macroing ignore pain with shield slam actually a viable and good idea? also, how do you manage to keep aggro when pulling big? mostly at the very start when you are rounding them up. I have challenging shout and i use it but after that not sure, i dont want to have things turn on my team. last question is what buffs do i need to track on myself with weakauras? i track shield block, ignore pain and shield wall rn

[toxic gyro]

You still want shield slam bind. The idea of macro ignore pain with slam in it is so you try to snipe/not miss slam procs.
When you pull big and you throw thunder clap or revenge or both onto pack and ppl rip aggro while you’re setting up the pull you let them tank it.
For starters you wanna track shield block. By far the most important thing to track, followed by cds like wall or spellblock. Next in line would be outburst talent. Sending outbursts on shield slam is pretty big compared to thunder claps.
Tracking ignore pain isn’t very important especially till higher keys, even then you don’t pay too much attention to it. It’s a rage dump mostly and almost passive.
WA wise it’s personal how you want your ui to look like.

[obtuse ledge]

okay i get the macro now. thanks for explaining. outburst i got now too so i can see stacks

is colossal might even worth looking at or is it just something you ignore cuz it happens anyway

[toxic gyro]

Also especially playing colossus hero tree you don’t want to overspend your rage on ignore pain. You mostly spend it on revenge and shield block. Only dump excess rage into ignore pain.

[toxic gyro]

Good to track but that’s something for very optimal playing.
Get your basics first. 95%+ shield block uptime and not getting hit in the back.
Proper rotation and cd usage.
And then min max dps.

[obtuse ledge]

okay so press revenge more than IP

and you said IP more of a dump

outburst one shield slam

[toxic gyro]

Yes. Pretty much ignore pain to not overcap on rage.

Don’t treat ignore pain as active mitigation. It’s just a small shield you get from dumping excess rage.

[nocturne spindle]

Yea the macro is very much idk if relic is the right word

But it's a mountain thane thing

You press IP way less on Colossus so it's not nearly as important

On mountain than you were pretty much trying to only press clap and shield slam for damage

So you had wayyy more rage

[toxic gyro]

As thane you care to track it even less bc you dump more rage. You will press ignore pain regardless, even if you’re at max ignore pain, just to dump rage.

[obtuse ledge]

im playing colossus bc that's what everyone is playing. im assuming there's a reason for that i just dont know what it is

[nocturne spindle]

More zug zug damage

[toxic gyro]

It does more aoe than thane. Pretty big difference, like 20% or so.

[obtuse ledge]

cuz of demolish?

you'd think with all the thunder claps thane would be more aoe

[toxic gyro]

Revenge with all modifiers goes brrrr, even after nerfs, demolish pumps too.

They need to buff thunderclap, it hits like a wet noodle.

[sharp gale]

brrrrr

[toxic gyro]

Even as thane thunderclap doesn’t hit very hard. Only thunderblast procs.

[obtuse ledge]

this was from my last dungeon

so i think im somewhat on the right track

[sharp gale]

on mouseover details it's that

because it separates

[toxic gyro]

As long as you’re pressing your rotation and not overspending on ignore pain you’re doing it right.

[obtuse ledge]

yeah im taking heavy repercussions until i get a better handle on it and stack more haste

[sharp gale]

[toxic gyro]

Hr is better for new warriors/low gear/no tier. You need a lot of haste +good usage of shield charge to maintain block with itf.

[obtuse ledge]

yeah i have that talent that puts on shield block when you shield charge

[cerulean olive]

aslong u have shield block uptime 95+% you should be fine 🙂

[toxic gyro]

Good usage… pretty much send it in cd, but you don’t want to also use shield block when you have 15sec and pack dies in 5.

[obtuse ledge]

how does the timer work? does it stack or is it pandemic or what

[toxic gyro]

Just play hr until you have like 18k haste, tier, and everything under control.

You can have up to 24sec? or so
If you play bolster which we don’t really do this season in m+, then you could reach 39.

[lusty grotto]

Stacks to 3 times it base duration

That's the cap

[obtuse ledge]

okay so as long as gaining shield block wont put me over 24 seconds its not wasted, is that right?

[lusty grotto]

Right, and as long as you're getting hit, using a charge when mobs are about to die is also a waste

However it's not a huge deal

In raids, when you're not actively tanking always have 1 charge available... In keys it's not a huge deal cause you're almost always actively tanking.

Basically you want to have 95%+ effective uptime, which means when you're receiving blockable damage

The way we check that is via logs, since details aura uptime can be misleading

[obtuse ledge]

got it

[lusty grotto]

Also don't get hit from behind

Never have your butt to mobs

[obtuse ledge]

oh yeah cuz u cant block or parry from behind

[lusty grotto]

Your back can't block, dodge or parry

Ye

[sharp gale]

So don’t charge the mob far behind in a pack and don’t leap in the middle of it

[frosty mango]

as far as holding aggro, you can use tclap for gather and try to position so you can revenge, heroic throw is also useful for stragglers as it does a shitload of threat for a single gcd

if people are just going ham while you gather theres not much you can do if challenge is down and thats a them problem not a you problem

[obtuse ledge]

yeah its just there are some people that are really high ilvl and they just rip it from me no matter what

that's what it seems like anyway

[jagged gust]

in a 2 a DPS can tank a pack or two

[frosty mango]

if they're 40 ivls ahead of you, not much you can do

[misty moth]

If I craft something at 675 right now because I'm short the gilded crests to get the extra boost am I just out the recraft cost and the extra 30 crests when i recraft? Not trolling myself otherwise?

[round cliff]

when will wow add cat girl race

[runic granite]

Yes that works

[misty moth]

Thanks

[sharp gale]

Tortollans > Cat girls

[jagged gust]

I still don't get that emoji tbh

[compact oriole]

ive simed all dungeons with vault items at 684 an so far the best upgrade according to em is signet.. at 2.9% upgrade

[sharp gale]

Seems normal, if you have doggo trinkets

[jagged gust]

usually when there's an outlier like that it's user error

[compact oriole]

i have myth track 684 pacemaker and hero book lol

[sharp gale]

Book as tome ? You used the custom apl ?

#protection message

[compact oriole]

much different outcome lol thanks

[misty moth]

Well what time zone and region is that

[lean ridge]

that's me 🙂

[amber turret]

with the Seaforium Trinket, how do you play around the timer? what if the 60s hit at the end of a pack?

[lusty grotto]

you dont

[round cliff]

sucks to suck

[lusty grotto]

you just equip it, thats it

[amber turret]

ok 😄

[lusty grotto]

min maxing is useless

on it

[round cliff]

i think im getting the hang of mm hunter

cant wait to figure out im doing it entirely wrong

[lusty grotto]

[urban socket]

Im still pretty new to tanking warrior (again). But often im rage starved and not able to dump rage into IP. Am i a madmad to switchout Brutal Vitality for Fueled by Violence? i just do 10s and AOTC 670ilvl.

[round cliff]

yes

stop dumping rage into IP

thats why ur starved

[lusty grotto]

^

you only use IP at 70+ rage

dont spam it, its not your active mitigation

[urban socket]

Okay, so if i use it less, doesnt the value of BV go down?

[lusty grotto]

Shield block is

no

[urban socket]

oh 100% got a big ass weakaura for it

[round cliff]

no, because u get free IPs from violent outburst

[kind glen]

Most of the time you only need to use IP to refesh the timer on it

[round cliff]

BV makes those last longer

[lusty grotto]

you dont even have to refresh it

dont overvalue IP

its not doing as much as you'd think

[kind glen]

I've had times where I've had to. It's not very often tho.

[round cliff]

the only time i press IP with the intent to actually take less damage is on boss fights when im only pressing it before tank busters cuz u dont generate enough ST rage to justify using it otherwise

other than that its just pressed to not waste rage

[urban socket]

Aah see this is where knowing your class and just copying a spec comes into play.. thnx i understand now

[round cliff]

and fwiw, you dont even need to press it to not waste rage if u already have an IP up from violent outburst

if u have a healthy, long duration IP already from an outburst proc, ur better spending ur rage on extending SB

than pressing IP and it doing nothing

but thats minmaxy prob

[urban socket]

it doesnt add

'shielded' health by pressing again?

ah it has a max of 4.6mm (probably health % based)

[round cliff]

it does, but that doesnt matter because most of the time it'll expire before it actually gets broken

if SB is up and especially if a defensive is up, ur taking so little dmg in the first place that ur IP is gonna expire before it dies of dmg taken

[lusty grotto]

yes total health * 0.3

thats the cap

so 30% of your total health

[frail ibex]

MOVING ON UP

Team makes pushing

so much

better

my god

[slender bison]

Must be nice to have a team to come home to

I went through hell to exclusively PUG to 3.1k. The 12s/13s VDH gatekeepers are something else

[frail ibex]

I had to swap to vdh just to get invites

My team rn

[slender bison]

Lmao

[frail ibex]

is cool with me playing w/e

[slender bison]

Nah, I broke the 3k "VDH only" barrier with my warr. Now insta invites 14s/15s

[frail ibex]

It gets bad in 16s and 17s

and thats for like

all tanks

even vdh

have all 16s but no 17?

no inv

[slender bison]

I'll be unsubed until I reach 16s

[slender bison]

Imagine a random student can't get a job due to lack of Xp so she/he boots wow to escape and gets the same treatment here too

[frail ibex]

lmfao

[urban socket]

and here i am working on my 10s for portals.. perspective.. but yeah META junkies are gatekeeping so hard its even done in lower keys.

[next pasture]

18 priory first boss... like... is there any talent i can pick up to make that bleed suck even 5% less?

[sinful copper]

theres like a LoS spot u can do up the stairs

to reset the tank busters

[lusty grotto]

sense didnt use anything particularly different

he also ran it without an evoker

having mud instead of bomb suit for that particular boss is a good idea since the cdr will make it around 50s cd

[next pasture]

i ran mud and bombsuit and lived it with r sham but like

holy fuck dude

(key bricked right after)

that damage is just unfair

[lusty grotto]

slam those SS

for punish

you could do

thunderlord and hold demo shouts for the DR

thats kind of the only thing i can think of cause you're probably already running BSV

also sense didnt do any of that LoS bs (or TL)

and at least on the video of his run, he was running only bomb suit

i lied, hes running mud

https://youtu.be/dtb6LZuAZuc?si=99dGxE30zX_J7oVl&t=470

thats where his dailcry starts

[next pasture]

like he casts it infinitely?

can you show me?

like i said i lived but healer was low on mana after, and had to drink before next pull, and i had nothing up... so i uh, kinda flopped there

[bold turret]

Morning, Is there a point where haste is overtaken by another stat? I'm at 42% without ITF and think I'm running into a penalty (24k rating). Sorry if it's in the pins or guide but I can't see it.

[lusty grotto]

24k rating is more than fine for SB uptime

so you can safely go for other stats

19k to 20k rating unbuffed is more than enough

sims will def suggest or prio other stats at that point

it usually favors other stats after 18k anyway, but you want 20k to cover human error

[bold turret]

Ok cheers I'll go with sims - thanks

[earnest cove]

Whenever I watch sense videos I think I am just bad 🙂

[lusty grotto]

comparison is the death of joy

i watch them to improve, thats the mindset that i recommend 🙂

but yeah i also feel that im bad

[cerulean olive]

big spell reflect value in Motherlode last boss

[earnest cove]

Yes ofc, but I need to check his logs to figure out why I get trucked so hard on that boss and he ain’t get tickled 😄

[lusty grotto]

no need for logs

PS -> Walls -> he also tracks tier proc wall -> Mud and just rotating between them, press SS a lot for punish stacks and rage into IP

[earnest cove]

Big factor is pugging on my end

[cerulean olive]

pugging priory or floodgate is giga fun (not)

[earnest cove]

I see that, and I try the same thing, even dwarf in addition. But still always drop hard there

[lusty grotto]

well

there's also the factor that their dps is very good

so the boss dies before he gets into a situation where there's no CDs

[earnest cove]

Still 18 vs 15 (my highest)

[lusty grotto]

also obviously his healer is insta dispelling, as they should

judgment cant last a single tick at that level

dwarf covers that overlap really well

[earnest cove]

Yes, that’s a big problem in pugs. They don’t see the danger

[lusty grotto]

if they dont then they arent ready for that key

you go again

[earnest cove]

But nonetheless I try to improve my play and not blame it on the party

[agile parrot]

ok boys, big discussion - rallying cry just give me the answer

a) if i have 50 hp and 100 max hp, how much max/current will i have after clicking it?

b) would there be ANY difference if the "temporary hp" part of the spell was just a shield?

friendships are falling apart over this topic

[amber turret]

PS?

[earnest cove]

Values can be checked ingame. Yes would be different if it was a shield

[chilly brook]

Pain supp

[agile parrot]

how? cant really tell with the hp numbers being this big and not even seeing the full hp number

[earnest cove]

Your ui can show those values, drop low push button. Math 🙂

And the difference to the shield would be that the shield is gone after dmg taken. Max HP stays, could be topped of for another dmg event. If it’s used for only one big aoe the effect is more or less the same

[agile parrot]

you dont get it

[chilly brook]

Who cares? Rally is bad

[earnest cove]

Then explain further