and you want to SS for tier procs
#protection
tardy sequoia
yeah was curious about what actually changes in colossus vs thane rotation
lusty grotto
its just decision making on what comes after SS in priority
tardy sequoia
if revenge has more prio than tclap
lusty grotto
in general you will be doing revenge a lot more than tc etc
tight mural
Is it just me or is the first boss in priory the scariest M+ boss this season
round pendant
Is it just me or is the first boss in priory the scariest M+ boss this season
It basically is
lusty grotto
no, momma also slaps
round pendant
big momma second imo
mighty flame
Is it just me or is the first boss in priory the scariest M+ boss this season
for me its the goblin girl in MT, she chunke me
tight mural
for me its the goblin girl in MT, she chunke me
Why did my brain process this as mana tombs lol
round pendant
for me its the goblin girl in MT, she chunke me
Just learn the timing for when she's autoing you and use yer defensives
lusty grotto
spell block owns Rixxa
round pendant
yeah
god I could be so much better if I just learned all the places to use spell block
I'm lazy
lusty grotto
just use it on every TB or hard hitting boss
tight mural
Is there a sheet for it somewhere? I think there is right?
mighty flame
i have spell block marcoed to shield block, i know its bad but its too many buttons
round pendant
i have spell block marcoed to shield block, i know its bad but its too many butt...
I mean it's bad but you probably get more use out of it than I do lmao
but ig when I do use it (not as much as I should) it's at least very effective
rather than sending it on nothing
lusty grotto
you get a lot more value
hes probably sending with wall which is... a waste
cause spell block alone is usually better
as long as the Tank buster or attack is spell blockable of course
solid sun
On Gally, thinking about the duds that spawn during the portion of the fight where he is in his flying robot and goes to different points along the perimeter of the arena
Are they different
lusty grotto
no reason why they should be
solid sun
It seemed like they were doing way more damage
Or maybe the DH wasn’t taunting and I was eating his autos while going on my adventure
humble pumice
any tips gathering mobs and keeping threat i tend to use revenge before ignore pain just to get mobs but i feel like imma die
lusty grotto
use troar
fuck ignore pain
make sure your SB is up, thats your active mit, not IP
talent crackling
and tclap with troar
thunderous words buffs rends
humble pumice
okay cool ty
inner belfry
any tips gathering mobs and keeping threat i tend to use revenge before ignore p...
and make sure you're not getting hit in the back
tribal wharf
i think i know why that dude from yesterday only had 20% sb up time
he didnt see much or any green attacks to block.
well, at least i got my shield + gun game! the yogi prophecy came true
frosty mango
It seemed like they were doing way more damage
Are you logging
Gatling will do a ton of damage if you have threat and leap off
Should be easy enough to sort out
rigid spruce
At what point should I trade the middle bottom talent(indomitable?) for battle scared veteran?
tardy sequoia
if i have heroic titan of industry, should i switch to myth track barricade of endless empire, even if it's listed as BiS? (ilvl wins?)
lusty grotto
ilvl wins
lusty grotto
At what point should I trade the middle bottom talent(indomitable?) for battle s...
you shouldnt talent indom at all as colossus
and you trade battering ram for BSV in keys
you always go Ravager
tardy sequoia
i think he has a t9 that translates children to tumor
rigid spruce
Sorry auto correct lol, at what key level would you say running BSV is worth it?
tardy sequoia
Sorry auto correct lol, at what key level would you say running BSV is worth it...
told ya
lusty grotto
"will i need it" thing
so its entirely up to you
that being said, cinderbrew and priory are good candidates to swap to it
cause they have pretty spicy pulls
tardy sequoia
you can't upgrade raid gear do i remember correctly? like a heroic titan of industry remains the same right?
lusty grotto
correct
mighty valley
as soon as a person deploys the phrase "slap in the face"
they're officially too mad to be online
and should have their computer taken away til they cool down
round pendant
"I'm just not invested enough to get good. I'm always a liability when I play with friends."
I don't get what goes on in people's heads when their proposed solution to this is for blizzard to cater to them by making the game easier
instead of just.. accepting that you either don't have the time/motivation or that you don't even need to git gud to play with friends
or just, yknow, learning to play better
mortal cypress
i mean its a fucking computer game lol....just play at a level you enjoy.....people take it way way too seriously
round pendant
Exactly
If you don't want to put effort into getting good enough for the content you wanna do
then YOU need to make a decision
mortal cypress
i just play the game at my lvel which is clear HC and a few mythic bosses
round pendant
but nah some people just default to telling blizzard they gotta change things
Make it easier because I'm entitled to doing all the content with ease 
heavy sparrow
Any tips for first room for DFC? Drives me nuts
round pendant
And if you disagree, you're a gatekeeper
toxic casuals are worse for games than elitists imo
elitists generally stay in their lane
round pendant
Any tips for first room for DFC? Drives me nuts
The hallway is just cbt
My least favourite portion of any dungeon
heavy sparrow
I already have a 12 completed for it but dang I could really use work in that hallway for 13 & 14
lusty grotto
its not any different in those key levels
round pendant
DFC is so lenient how you pull that first hallway isn't gonna brick your key til at least 15 imo
tribal wharf
Make it easier because I'm entitled to doing all the content with ease <:clueles...
doesnt seem totally unfeasible
yes single player
round pendant
It's whatever with singleplayer games
where you can choose what options to enable or disable
heavy sparrow
Some people LoS first pack and 2 first packs after the doorway and into the right, corner after the door, some just pulls to the left near the pillar and once it explodes all hell breaks loose
tribal wharf
imagine if in raids you could select how fast boss fire balls move and leeway time to stop it
round pendant
pull 1 get's pulled back into the first area
tribal wharf
or you select how frequently the boss will melee or summon adds or use its abilities
round pendant
I mean difficulty scaling is fine for challenge modes and whatever
viral otter
where do you fight 2 and 3?
tribal wharf
if its an entire group of people struggling and the healer cant walk out of fire in time but even then i feel thats like just like, you do nm instead of hc raid
round pendant
but taking this guy's suggestion and making the one-button rotation even 80% as good as "sweaty" play literally kills the gameplay for anyone actually trying to play their spec normally if they're not very good at it
incentivising them to switch to the one button mode
but I knew it wouldn't be long til we started getting suggestions to do that
:)
round pendant
where do you fight 2 and 3?
honestly I just kinda yolo it, pugs don't really bother to LoS properly
You can LoS 3 into the boss arena and even pull the boss with em if feeling spicy
viral otter
if i yolo it, 100% guarantee 2 is gettign knocked into shit somewhere
heavy sparrow
Something like this?
round pendant
also, shockwave as the knockback goes out will stop them from flying
viral otter
wait really
humble musk
I'm curious what you guys think I should use my first puzzling chips on and why? I have 2 sparks so I can still create two items aswell.
I'm a M+ player so not a protection raider. In my raid team I play my offspec fury but we are not playing Mythic raid currently so the items from the raid will be hero track. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/26y9X2q2h2u7qmyBbH7jVU
lusty grotto
I'm curious what you guys think I should use my first puzzling chips on and why?...
have you read the wowhead guide
humble musk
Yes, still asking your opinion based on my gear
lusty grotto
our opinion is the same
since the guide is written by Nome
so pick and choose based on that list
and based on what you have
humble musk
So house of cards correcT?
round pendant
myth pacemaker fucks
humble musk
Ah you can buy those on the myth track my bad
lusty grotto
go over it again, here you go: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips
yes but only if you've timed all 12s
aka if you have resilient 12 keys
humble musk
I have resillient 13 💪
lusty grotto
youre good then
pastel sleet
I HAVE BEATEN THE GAME
compact oriole
interesting
dusky canopy
Logdz
lusty grotto
your breakdown as colossus on high target pull dungeons should be
#1 revenge
#2 demolish
#3 shield slam
#4 rend, #5 troar, #6 devastator/deepwounds, #7 SC (depends heavily on Tier resets, so can move up and down) = ravager
tclap should be dead last before melee
Colossus does 20% more aoe damage
than Thane
if youre not meeting that criteria, youre not playing colossus correctly
found a log
youre using way too many outbursts as TC, when you should be outbursting SS, that means more rage and that means more revenge
dusky canopy
Don’t give the your mom break down
lusty grotto
TC does terrible damage as colossus
its only there to reapply rend and/or if you have low rage and no SS resets
237 casts of revenge, vs 400-500 on average on a properly played colossus
9.3 CPM on SS, where it should be way higher
13-14+
compact oriole
so tht log is fuckin old let me see if i can get an updated one for you
lusty grotto
the breakdown is pretty much similar to what you posted on that details screenshot
so youre very likely making the same mistakes
novel temple
Should I always pick a myth weapon from vault?
lusty grotto
if you dont have a myth weapon, yes
novel temple
Cause I thought about just crafting a weapon/shield
novel temple
I suck
lusty grotto
replace crafted shield with myth shield
novel temple
And haven't been playing
lusty grotto
shield and weapon is always ilvl > all
dusky canopy
Craft a helmet you’ll need it!
novel temple
but it was vers/mast which makes me sad
a helmet?
like a specific one or an eng one?
lusty grotto
Brew is memeing
lusty grotto
but it was vers/mast which makes me sad
secondaries dont matter, what you want is block
i have a priory shield
that i replaced my crafted with
i didnt give a shit about the secondaries on it
and you shouldn't either
ilvl all on shield and sword because of block and because of weapon damage going into every single ability you cast
round pendant
I only recently crafted a weapon
had 665 for ages hoping to get a myth vault weapon
never happened
😔
lusty grotto
no reason to hold on crafts, they give you discounts either way
you dont lose a lot
round pendant
yeah
lusty grotto
if anything
round pendant
the main problem was I wasn't planning on tanking as much as I have
5man went to shit where I was supposed to be dpsing
solid sun
Are we getting sparks at a greater rate now?
solid sun
Okay so crafting will stay the same pace
lusty grotto
buoyant sparrow
For a crafted weapon, what embelishment do we use?
cerulean tusk
what if you want to use one tho?
golden panther
whats yalls opinion on fueled by violence vs brutal vitality
lusty grotto
i guess
golden panther
i'm just curious lol i saw shilling and was wondering if it was fake
lusty grotto
tl;dr: #protection message
jagged pier
sense gave us the numbers
golden panther
oh ty
cerulean tusk
Yes, but - hear me out, HPS meters? Eh? Ehhhh????
lusty grotto
FbV is a valid choice on big pull dungeons only if anything
golden panther
ye checks out so like brew or sth with massive target counts
lusty grotto
FbV is banned from anything else that you cant slap Deep Wounds on a million targets
aka ToP
aka Workshop
golden panther
yeah lol i can 100% see that
lusty grotto
it depends on both pull sizes and key level
golden panther
ya prob anything 15 or under now esp with ilvl inflation stuff gonna die too fast
lusty grotto
honestly just stick with BrV, i will be sticking to it
not that my decision is swayed by Yoda's vids
what works for him, works for him
lusty grotto
but it doesnt mean ill apply it
i havent even watched the video, nor plan to
i just read what yall said about it lol
golden panther
he said it wasn't even close but looking at the numbers yall posted its definitely not as must take as he was leading audience to believe
lusty grotto
its understandable
yoda is used to self sustain
so its evident he will put a bigger value on raw healing instead of absorbs
cerulean tusk
HPS numbers go burrrr
Meh, if you play all tanks, many get very confused why warrior isnt trying to minmax their HPS. Not understanding that we simply don't really heal. We just mitigate.
Going from VDH/BDK/Bear to warrior will give you a whiplash on how unimportant the HPS meter became as a metric of performance.
I do miss old BDK tho, immortal, minmaxing HPS, doing hundreds of millions of HPS, while a healer would do a 1/100th of that normally.
frosty mango
cerulean tusk
Was fun 
frosty mango
looks like cdr brings mud down to ~1m on dailcry
lusty grotto
yeah i posted the same last night roid
frosty mango
I was ptfo
lusty grotto
frosty mango
ignore my poop play I was using one hand because im on a work call
TBH mud felt alot better than bombsuit there
it was a 12 I pugged so damage intake isnt really an issue but the cooldown itself across the entire dungeon was nice
you get good use on the third boss as well as braunpyke
solid sun
Are you using it in lieu of a defensive
frosty mango
in this case no I was using it on the pierce to track the cdr effectiveness
shut summit
ye i used mud in 18 and it felt significantly better
shut summit
def recommend mud for priory and flood
golden panther
ya was just gonna ask what the cd was like on big momma
round pendant
Meh, if you play all tanks, many get very confused why warrior isnt trying to mi...
Goes the other way too, going from pwar to bear gave me whiplash cause I constantly feel like I'm on the verge of death
frosty mango
I would imagine similar since electrocrush is at a similar cadence to pierce
round pendant
I never understood people saying prot's health doesn't move, but now I do
frosty mango
I mean im not using it regardless until 15-16
before that im playing double dps and battering ram and being the best troll I can be
nocturne spindle
yea i didnt start using bombsuit or mud til 15s
and honestly i feel like its better for the thicc pull gathers more than tank busters
solid sun
When did you talent into bsv
frosty mango
When did you talent into bsv
I don't, I don't think it has any value in pugs because it always procs on gather
nocturne spindle
some ret pally in my guild was doing 5m overalls in keys and that was like 2 weeks ago
then he disappeared
COME BACK MR RET
solid sun
If it’s procing doesn’t that mean you would have died?
nocturne spindle
its kinda jank
novel temple
secondaries dont matter, what you want is block
I;ve got a hero track shield right now so i'll look into crafting a shield then
nocturne spindle
sometimes it procs when youd live
novel temple
since more than likely, i wont get any myth items
nocturne spindle
but its still basically free defensive
novel temple
work schedule is brutal and i haven't been playing as much
frosty mango
If it’s procing doesn’t that mean you would have died?
no it procs when you hit 30%
nocturne spindle
and ive been running it even at lower keys just cause its comfy
frosty mango
and a lot of times on gather healers wont be watching and you get slapped them you pop LS or something and live
so imo if youre not in a coordinated group it really loses a ton of its value
if it were a true cheat death I would have a different opinion
novel temple
Also, what talent point do i want to drop to pick up disrupting shout?
frigid valley
youre using way too many outbursts as TC, when you should be outbursting SS, tha...
how do i check this in log?
lusty grotto
click outburst so it has a green border under damage breakdown
and look at the cast numbers
lusty grotto
for both SS and TC since those are the only ones affected by outburst
the other attacks dont matter
novel temple
cause i figure if i do want to push higher, ill need to carry with disrupting
frigid valley
click outburst so it has a green border under damage breakdown
like this?
frigid valley
having hard time tracking it u got any good weakaura for it? mine just fucks with my brain
lusty grotto
theres quite a few in wago iirc
nocturne spindle
since its just a buff you can also just make one yourself
lusty grotto
nocturne spindle
and just say show up in the middle of my screen when the buffs up
frigid valley
i did make one, but idk if my brain is dented or what but seems it just goes away once im in range to proc it
frosty mango
having hard time tracking it u got any good weakaura for it? mine just fucks wit...
nome has one on wago thats a bar
I also had to make a giant text one that says "DON'T THUNDERCLAP YOU FUCKING CLOWN" when outburst is up too
in size 72 text
that covers my entire screen
lusty grotto
lmao
lusty grotto
just remember to not use that one or turn it off if you swap to thane
frosty mango
just remember to not use that one or turn it off if you swap to thane
yeah too much time as thane is why I had to make it
small steeple
I also had to make a giant text one that says "DON'T THUNDERCLAP YOU FUCKING CLO...
I had a friend who used to have one that just said “don’t release you damn ape”
frosty mango
muscle memory lol
frosty mango
I had a friend who used to have one that just said “don’t release you damn ape”
I have that too
as you can see from that log I just posted it only works if im focused
if I'm half paying attention I still send clap
nocturne spindle
patent pending do not steal
lusty grotto
logs
compact oriole
i thought i logged tht one but it didnt show up on the in game app
frigid valley
@lusty grotto roast me
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3gQyv1VkWx7H6tZJ?fight=1&type=summary&source=9
frigid valley
from behind i assume?
frigid valley
was a fairly rushed key so yeah deffo see that happened alot
tight mural
You didn't die so maybe you didn't need them, but I feel like I always have at least a couple health options used
sleek prawn
hi all, which trinket better in slot Tome of light's devotion or improvised seaforium pacemaerk same ilvl ? they a both s tier, can't decide.
tight mural
Is only 19 shield blocks right? That feels low? Same with only 6 casts of shield charge
nocturne spindle
assuming your other trinket is a defensive one
for m+ pacemaker
he had 90% uptime
and it gets extended from shield charge and stuffs
ive never looked at casts just %
tight mural
Ahhhh interesting
sleek prawn
assuming your other trinket is a defensive one
thx a lot
tight mural
So if you cast once, and just keep it up for 5 min, if only counts it as one cast
tight mural
Rog rog
frigid valley
yeah but not enough IQ
nocturne spindle
youll get there
sub 10 casts per min on shield slam is low
your probaly sitting on it when its on CD
moarrr shield slams
cerulean tusk
If you run HR, I dont judge, I too use it when I just want a comfy braindead yapyap run with no need to minmax
real thunder
Question about Bloodsurge vs Instigate. I'm seeing some folks take instigate now. Does anyone know the proc rate % of Bloodsurge? Is there a big diff between the two in terms of rage and dam or is this just a preference choice?
nocturne spindle
i dunno the math
instigate is better at like 8+ mobs
sorry
other way
bloodsurge is better at 8+
lusty grotto
no reason to go bloodsurge
nocturne spindle
but with bosses its better to go instigate
cerulean tusk
Nimchip, you must reason your answer
frigid valley
so less TC, more slam, spellreflect/spellblock more. and dont get tapped in the ass 
cool ty
lusty grotto
in a key atm
frigid valley
i shall return with new logs in a few days
nocturne spindle
i think you actually spell reflected a decent amount
cerulean tusk
Nim throwing his key, smh. Tåxikk rat strikes again.
Do so Harley, and with great improvements 
nocturne spindle
its just specifically on bubbles you didnt
you need to learn what spells are actually reflectable
lusty grotto
im doing a rat key, silly cat
nocturne spindle
for the free damage ignore/reflect damage
frosty mango
you need to learn what spells are actually reflectable
No you don’t, sense did that for us
And then some saint put it in a weakaura
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Look man if the man put all that time into it
It’s disrespectful to not use it
If he’s gonna think for me I’m gonna let him dammit
real thunder
Thanks for the reasoning @nocturne spindle . So for dungeons with painful bosses like big momma and motherlode instigate is better....makes sense
oblique lagoon
New to WoW/Warrior, should I get House of cards heroic track if I'm doing M+ and not mythic raids for a while?
nocturne spindle
if your not gonna get to 12+ in all keys yea
frosty mango
New to WoW/Warrior, should I get House of cards heroic track if I'm doing M+ and...
This is entirely dependent on your current gear, what content you’re running, etc
thick dust
hey, got alt pwar, planning on monday to get most of raid done on mythic, i have alla 12s done. What would u buy for your first dinar? Mythic track book? Other ring not missing its in craft order
i dont plan to push keys at all, this is raid alt only
lusty grotto
did you read the guide
thick dust
um i did and i know i can sim it too
viral otter
why is your item level 626
thick dust
i wanted more to know your opinion here
little ermine
Missing a ring
thick dust
why is your item level 626
ring in craft order
lusty grotto
um i did and i know i can sim it too
did you read the dinar part
our opinion doesnt differ from the guide
so going through the list, what would be your options?
pop quiz
thick dust
ok
so i dont see reason to buy myself shield thats only 3illv upgrade atm since i have crafted
house of cards may be accesible after money for me
lusty grotto
so can you get myth titan?
thick dust
as i said i may, we doing alt raid on monday but idk if im gonna kill all the way to gally
lusty grotto
do you have a myth gally kill on that toon
thick dust
my Q is, if i get access to titan - does it make IN MY GEAR case atm reason to buy it even tho its only +3ilvl upgrade over for example book (which i atm have only on HC track)
thick dust
possibly ye, i believe alts will get to kill gally
lusty grotto
3 ilvls is a lot of block
thick dust
ok
lusty grotto
so whats next down the list
thick dust
house of cards
lusty grotto
and you have a 1AB kill on that toon?
thick dust
well i guess i also should just sim
lusty grotto
the items in that list are by far the best
thick dust
so if for one person house of cards may be biggerst upgrade it may not be biggest upgrade to me
lusty grotto
HoC will outsim anything you have equipped, and for pretty much all of us, if its Myth level
Kezan is the only thing that it might not, depending on fight length
it doesnt matter what stat breakdown you have
the only way HoC doesnt sim as high is if you somehow decided to just gear mastery
which im sure you have not
and even then it sims high as fuck
not to mention its limited, everyone wants it
jagged pier
i mean theres no point in buy titan if u have access to it
there are only 3 specs that do the most with it
lusty grotto
yeah i agree
dusky canopy
thick dust
i see
thick dust
the only way HoC doesnt sim as high is if you somehow decided to just gear maste...
nope i deffo dont ilvl and simming is my friend
thick dust
i mean we first have to kill mug and then gally while me palying pwar in mythic raid for first time
that reminds me
anyone here has CD plan for gally ego check
and also for OAB do u just use wall for every tank slam?
thick dust
ok, so if OAB tank buster is blockable with "just" shield block there is no reason for me to use shield wall?
this is quite new for me since on BDK u have to hard plan CD
especially for ego checks for example
sharp gale
My first Gallywix kill will drop 3 titan of industry 100%, I bet all my money on that
sharp gale
anyone here has CD plan for gally ego check
Fun note : gally trinket works for ego check
lusty grotto
this is quite new for me since on BDK u have to hard plan CD
you can wall them
just have block up
you can also take it without wall (if you dont have previous debuff)
thick dust
Fun note : gally trinket works for ego check
oh i know, i use on my BDK but i dont have it on my pwar
lusty grotto
not like youll save wall for anything else
sharp gale
Yeah it is just a side fact, I don’t see how you would not have a cd on every ego check, or just scream at your disc at if you don’t
compact oriole
so i got the in game app of logs going says its live logging but once i get done with a run or hit stop nothing shows up lol
thick dust
Yeah it is just a side fact, I don’t see how you would not have a cd on every eg...
well mainly i can have 100 % uptime on shield block if im correct so that could cover me no issue
sharp gale
I don’t play massacre
lusty grotto
even with punish
you can have 100% effective uptime easily, just not general uptime
sharp gale
I spam SB, i need to check sprocket kill this week to see the uptime (i do drop it I think)
thick dust
i.e. dont spam SB when youre not actively tanking
oh ye, that i was told
thick dust
sorry i ment when im actively tanking
lusty grotto
oh yeah then you should be covered like you said
thick dust
sharp gale
(Yes this week I had to be def stance because aggro issues)
thick dust
isnt that IP uptime somehow high?
sharp gale
Idc about ip uptime, so I wouldn’t know what is a good number
If you want the log
Noice rage waste
lusty grotto
thats 
rage management
i hope you didnt starve 
nope, extremely good rage management 🤝
frosty mango
Doesn’t that mean like
Buckler crash
I think it’s funny French has a bunch of words for shield because they differentiate between the different types and in America we’re just like “oh yes all of those things are shields”
Magical barrier? Shield
Buckler? Also a shield
Police badge shaped item? You guessed it, shield
sharp gale
thats <:xeos:945501697847992341> rage management
Tbf I’m fake hyping bc it’s raid col, it’s really easy to not waste rage in ST
Heurt de bouclier in my mind is literally Slam of Shield
If you translate really rough word to word
frosty mango
I think heurt does not mean slam
round pendant
so i got the in game app of logs going says its live logging but once i get done...
have you enabled advanced logging in wow settings
hazy lake
Is thunderlord worth to farm low level dungeons?
hazy lake
Would mountain thane be better to farm 7-10s etc 😄
undone beacon
Colossus hits hard = finish farm keys faster
hazy lake
Yeah I do around 3m dps as collo, prot is my offspec so havent really looked into it too much or experimented
hazy lake
Good to know
sharp gale
I think heurt does not mean slam
you can never correctly translate the meaning of a word in 2 language unless it's the same word
frosty mango
you can never correctly translate the meaning of a word in 2 language unless it'...
I just mean there is another word for slam
sharp gale
heurt doesn't fully mean slam and slam doesn't fully mean heurt
frosty mango
That’s what I meant about English
We don’t have nuance
We just use the same word for all kinds of shit
sharp gale
yes just imagine it's the same with every language
frosty mango
I speak a few and English is by far the worst offender lol
sharp gale
just context change a lot of the meanings in some language
(that's why if you search a translation to a word there are 20 other words beside the first answer)
to try to teach you what it kinda mean
J'aime mean i love and i like, so it is hard to grasp what it fully mean until you are french in your mind
as me to understand what "care" means
shut summit
nocturne spindle
lusty grotto
yes
lilac widget
i do not raid mythic, and i dont have 12s yet but i will at some point in next 2 weeks
well that was quick 😄
okok
fathom magnet
what are the best Dinar pieces when you are only doing m+ (all 12s done though). Do you still go for hero Jastor or do you pick up a myth track trinket from m+?
lilac widget
im guessing the trinkets
lusty grotto
hero jastor is a nono
lilac widget
cause i just asked the same question
nocturne spindle
heroic jaster isnt even that good for us
lilac widget
yeah was 20k increase for me
lusty grotto
lilac widget
i can fury offspec with it tho
lusty grotto
except all myth and crafted rings will outsim it
so if it was a 20k increase for you, myth rings and/or crafted ring will be more
lilac widget
f it im just gonna, speed up on my 12s and get tome
patent scroll
Sim it against a max upgrade crafted ring, as you can have two
lilac widget
and pace maker
lusty grotto
i did the sims earlier this week
lilac widget
and then i dont know for the third
lusty grotto
its literally
sterile orbit
bombsuit
lusty grotto
negative dps on anything BUT 5+ min encounters
where its only up by a whole 8k dps
that means you need to actually be on combat for more than 5 mins for that 0.4% dps increase
you drop the 10 stack, its back to negative dps
you drop combat, its back to negative dps
your reclear kills bosses in less than 5 mins, its back to negative dps
do not spend a dinar on hero jaster
period
shut summit
lusty grotto
LOL
lusty grotto
i got that reference
lusty grotto
kezan isnt simbait
if you consider kezan simbait, so is jastor
its literally the same concept
lilac widget
it sims higher for me but my dps is noticably lower when using it
on hunter anyway
i got this this week, so im guessing the shield aint a top prio anymore 🙂
lusty grotto
the shield is only considered if myth only
if youre at that point, you basically have everything else anyway
cause youve killed gally
Myth Gallly
chilly brook
hero jastor is a nono
fight me I still did it
(I'm also gambling on the fact that I don't see Blizzard not offering a way for people to take their heroic dinar items and upgrade them and also did it mostly cuz I play DPS in raid)
round pendant
they're not gonna do that
chilly brook
too many peeps complaining
Them adding a system that allows you to input a heroic dinar piece to convert into the myth one if you've killed that boss hurts nothing
crafted ring also 20k loss
lusty grotto
i simmed these on tuesday
so my ilvl is obviously a lot higher
5min fight, selected has myth cauldron + crafted
lusty grotto
why would you even sim 2 mins
you dont have a 4 full cd rotations at 2mins
you do at 3
45s cds remember
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lusty grotto
and 8 targets too?
chilly brook
I only tank keys
lusty grotto
griff
chilly brook
so
lusty grotto
we're soft capped
chilly brook
8 targets 2m is pretty decent for replicating pulls
chilly brook
it's not going to make a massive difference if I drop it to 5
lusty grotto
even 5 mins is bad, the only reason we dont protest them is because wow audit requires them
chilly brook
And most pulls are more than 5
round pendant
Them adding a system that allows you to input a heroic dinar piece to convert in...
oh yeah that I'd agree is fine
chilly brook
oh yeah that I'd agree is fine
yeah I don't think they'd completely change the system lol
lusty grotto
by 0.2%
chilly brook
a gain is a gain?
lusty grotto
you do you
chilly brook
I'm not suggesting everyone does it
The only thing I'm contesting is the idea that the ring isn't worth it on anything under a 5m encounter
and that a crafted ring is better
chilly brook
A crafted ring is also over 1% worse in single target
compact oriole
chilly brook
a crafted rign isnt worth a dinar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6L1U8MJoDwBzYXVWTdqj7p
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hNXNyrfk3ssQYqEvnpQuF2
not much to really spend it on tbh
shield is nice but the cantrip effect is so minor
HoC biggest thing but it's also not available to me rn
solid sun
Isn’t the opportunity cost M HoC, M tome, M pacemaker, and M Shield (depending on what you have and can get)?
marble fable
wait, is starter build selection not the play?
chilly brook
Isn’t the opportunity cost M HoC, M tome, M pacemaker, and M Shield (depending o...
Idk something like that but I also have both those trinkets at myth already from vault
lusty grotto
thats an important factor
you dont need the rest of the stuff
most people that ask here, do
chilly brook
hence why I'm not arguing that people follow what I did
lusty grotto
there was just one guy that asked about hero jastor that i specifically said he should go for it
because he had everything else
solid sun
I guess this means I could buy an H Jastor
urban portal
Should never pick up a m shield through dinar
solid sun
Since I don’t have access to any M raid items and already have both dungeon trinkets on myth track
urban portal
Can get a m shield too easily
lusty grotto
i agree
Nome said earlier that he only put it there cause its rare, not because of anything else in particular
and honestly if youve cleared mythic, its very likely you wont need anything else really
well depending on RNGesus
solid sun
Or if you’re even reclearing bosses
lusty grotto
well youre probably still hitting 2 vault slots
err 1
you dont wanna save lockouts for anything under 1ab
since you can just... drive there
except for vexie none of the bosses lock the path to the others
solid sun
I heard 1ab is still pretty hard, so my assumption is that raid groups that kill 1ab are saving their lockout until they complete the raid
solid sun
Does that mean because of how mythic works, the whole group is locked out?
Or just whoever is the leader of the raid
lusty grotto
yes
jagged pebble
except for vexie none of the bosses lock the path to the others
u cant go to sprocket no ?
lusty grotto
yes you can
jagged pebble
how so
solid sun
P sure you don’t even have to kill Vexie to get to sprocket
chilly brook
but can't get anything on my silly warrior
jagged pebble
hm
then i wonder why my guild always saved the lockout
but were not rekilling anyways so whatever
lusty grotto
they probably didnt pay attention to the race
but yeah youre not losing anything if youre not reclearing
solid sun
If we get dinnars every season I kinda feel like that’s the best way to raid mythic
No reclears
jagged pebble
depends on how hard the fights are i guess
but i think they thought we would be stuck on stix for another eternity
lol
if im using hc track pacemaker and myth track tome what are my best dinar items? any suggestion?
solid sun
Are 665 weapon and shield hero tracks?
solid sun
So your biggest upgrades would be M track shield and M Track weapon and then probably M HoC followed by M Jastor
Assuming you finished m gally
Did I do good, @lusty grotto
solid sun
Hero shield to myth shield is the most important upgrade there yes?
lusty grotto
since crafted and then myth shields are better
yes, but at that point you already have crafted or myth
solid sun
They have neither and have no crafts available currently
solid sun
Could craft a shield next and use a dinnar on something else but I still think my order of upgrades is correct
lusty grotto
who are you talking about
solid sun
The person above my response. Sebastian
lusty grotto
didnt he say he was on sprocket? he doesnt even have access to to myth Gally loot anyway
solid sun
Idk what he’s on. I said “assuming you finished m gally”
lusty grotto
he should insta craft shield and 1h like we all did
misty moth
Do we go to 6 total whole sparks next week or 5.5?
mighty valley
it'll be 7, right
hardy grove
I thought 6.5
mighty valley
looking at wowhead news posts, we got the 4th on 4/8
the 20th will be 6 weeks from that
nocturne spindle
we have 6 1/2
misty moth
Oh okay. I probably need to get a few more half sparks. Should be able to craft 1h, shield, bracers, cloak, and a 2h for arms then
patent scroll
sometimes lucky
lusty grotto
gz
strong forum
mythic ofc
patent scroll
I wish
I need to sabotage our main tanks to get in there
I'm a healer normally and this is just my response to M+ ques
dull shoal
When to replace Cyrce's? have a 671 bloodoath signet, still simming less than the dumb circlet. thoughts?
lusty grotto
no thoughts, only follow sim
dull shoal
real 🙂↕️
patent scroll
Also I kinda feel bad for everyone who has to pug raid these days
What the heck is up with these cotanks you get
How does someone do 400k dps with current gear
I literally have to lift my hands off the keyboard or rip
nocturne spindle
i think i tested it
and i literally doo like 400k dps with just auto attacks
granted like half that dps is tome
but literally auto attacking
mighty valley
good job not dying
frosty mango
How does someone do 400k dps with current gear
They press slam and whirlwind
We literally had a dude in here yesterday that is the person you are talking about, lol
mighty valley
they were hitting a sweet 800k
frosty mango
No way it was like 450k lol
I refuse to tank heroic pugs anymore because it’s infuriating trying to tank with people doing half your dps
Give us shirk
Or give us death
mighty valley
frosty mango
Ok well that’s still half my dps :/
mighty valley
yeah, merely doubling only auto attacks is not that impressive haha
frosty mango
You’re right though, I concede
I did a pug oab Sunday and they asked me to tank and I even asked before swapping if threat was gonna be an issue and the dh said “nah fam I’m a pumper”
He was indeed NOT a pumper
patent scroll
Want to see the best DH pumper
frosty mango
I’m all for chilling out to adjust for a gear disparity but if I need to move away from the boss for multiple globals to accommodate you I just can’t with that lol
patent scroll
I'm not even sorry (this was a wipe)
Yeah the ilvl is piss but
I can't find the words
nocturne spindle
i cant even imagine getting out damaged by a healer
frosty mango
Did you at least make a “more like nikogarbage” joke
frosty mango
I'm not toxic so no <a:ExcitedBlushette:932414006679973888>
It’s only mildly toxic
light nova
I was checking yodas talents in his highest keys done, and hes playing FbV > Brutal Vitality is this a new cook and something ive not heard of?
mighty valley
it maybe has applications in very high keys where you can still pull very large
overall brv is still better in most (maybe all?) cases and the difference is not worth stressing over
shut summit
funnily enough i think FbV is even worse; looking at logs its only healing for 85% of deep wounds damage?
lusty grotto
didnt it used to have a fucky relationship with leech? i think Nome mentioned something like that once
shut summit
the tooltip in game shows 110% so leech shouldnt matter
lusty grotto
yeah
shut summit
when u click it on logs it shows 85% as the spell
lusty grotto
oh
shut summit
theres a diff spell id with 110%
lusty grotto
sense i think thats just a wowhead problem maybe? he did 366.68M dmg with deep wounds
ok that makes sense
well
knotty pewter
i noticed this a long time ago. if you look at individual tics in the logs they still heal for 110%
if you look at overall it will show much lower
lusty grotto
oh
knotty pewter
never looked into why
lusty grotto
so 366.68m (damage) / 317.46m (overall heal) = 0.86
let me see the ticks like you mentioned
shut summit
right
knotty pewter
i thought the in game tooltip was wrong back at the start of the season. I was running FbV just for 1st boss priory
until i saw that
shut summit
reported it either way, they can figure it out
lusty grotto
cant math, its friday
i was just staring at those 2 tabs trying to figure it out
end of the week brain rot lol
for me
knotty pewter
i live with that every day
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Should be easy enough to check
With details
It’s a percentage and I think details shows raw healing right?
shut summit
lusty grotto
because xn + yn + zn = n (x + y + z) so basically ticks at 110% should yield a total amount of healing at 110% as well
shut summit
the top 1 is whats shown in talent tree, the bottom 1 is whats actually shown in logs
lusty grotto
yeah but if combat data is reporting the wrong one, its def not on their end
maybe that's the problem
idk im fried
mortal cypress
because xn + yn + zn = n (x + y + z) so basically ticks at 110% should yield a ...
nooooooo math
shut summit
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QXgDhyVzHRkmP1q2?fight=last&type=healing&source=15&options=8
hit dummy for 1min and looks closer, who fuckin knows, even if it is broken, "fixing" it wouldn't change much
shut summit
maybe brain cooked too, but can someone test if demolish is adding to your ip amount with BrV? from what i see it might not be, which would kinda nuke brv value
solid sun
Oh do y’all need my help with some math problems?
steady pollen
Man, you know what ability I never remember to use? Last stand...
steady pollen
Been working up through 12s, and it hasnt even been necessary
My Victory Rush is Shift-3 : P
solid sun
This is my last sta-and, suffocation, no breathing, etc etc
steady pollen
Just need to start pressing it more, just plumb forgot about it
jagged gust
man you don't wanna hear my keybind logic
knotty pewter
maybe brain cooked too, but can someone test if demolish is adding to your ip am...
not exactly the best way to check but according to my vods Demolish isn't making number go up.
steady pollen
So, Motherlode, super easy on my Guardian/VDH, and honestly, 12 was fine on my Warrior, but Rixxa... from 11 to 12, suddenly she hits like a damn truck
jagged gust
maybe brain cooked too, but can someone test if demolish is adding to your ip am...
Just going by my tooltip values I'm not seeing a difference between TC+Rend on 5tar dummies and TC+Rend+Demolish, both instances of IP ended with ~2.7mil pool
steady pollen
I feel like Im spamming to keep up Ignore Pain to absorb her hits
timid nacelle
So where does that leave us? Which is better?
mighty valley
I think still BrV? Just not as good as it should be
I doubt any key has ever been decided by one vs the other though
shut summit
definitely won't be a massive difference between the 2
jagged pebble
so is buying the hc version of gallys shield worth if im progging mythic with my guild? i had to swap from arms and i only have 1 spark left to craft a weapon or shield
patent scroll
Shouldn't this technically leave us at the point where you now need to test everything so that they actually work with BV?
knotty pewter
i think playing with an oracle disc can influence the decision a bit. i think its more common this season to find yourself loaded up on absorbs but missing health.
lusty grotto
so is buying the hc version of gallys shield worth if im progging mythic with my...
no, craft a shield, we went over this already
jagged pebble
and what about the weapon?
lusty grotto
craft it as well
shut summit
priory 18
brutal vitality: 266mil
brutal vitality (with demolish working): 346mil
fueled by violence (110%): 317mil
fueled by violence (85%): 245mil
jagged pebble
hard with 1 spark
lusty grotto
then craft the shield and then craft weapon next spark if youre unlucky
shut summit
demolish not interacting with brv is pretty big deal
jagged pebble
then craft the shield and then craft weapon next spark if youre unlucky
okay thanks boss
knotty pewter
in hind sight im kinda glad it doesnt work because I suck and somewhat frequently was sending demolish with no IP up anyway.
knotty pewter
i looked at that yoda log a little closer and i think sometimes some of the FbV batched heals (when it combines a bunch of tics from DW) werent being calculated at 110%.
I only looked at 2 batched heals. 1 seemed accurate the other was very low.
i dont know who you reported it to @shut summit but maybe tell them to check that aspect out
sinful copper
Fbv def doesn't work correctly. It said it heals for 110% DW but I had like 250m of DW damage and only 117m of heals from it. Or am I misunderstanding?
shut summit
is your overhealing hidden
lusty grotto
Fbv def doesn't work correctly. It said it heals for 110% DW but I had like 250m...
thats what they're figuring out
sinful copper
No, it would show overhealing too I think. I'm away from PC or I'd look again
shut summit
knotty pewter
No, it would show overhealing too I think. I'm away from PC or I'd look again
its unclear whats going on. you can see individual tics on 1 target do proc a heal at 110%. most tics in general seem to be 110%.
there is mystery weirdness going on
sinful copper
Sense do u think more prot warriors will enter top 100 tanks?
sinful copper
And also, if I want to tank 17-18 keys, should I race change NE to save 1-2 min for skips?
shut summit
NE is very valuable yes
jagged pebble
25 bucks for that aint worth
sinful copper
K time to race change! Do u ever use it to negate mechanics while tanking (taunt after) or only for skips?
Eh I mean I paid $90 or whatever for a closer AH
jagged pebble
💀
sinful copper
Wow. Is there a video guide available or a list that says what to use it on? That is amazing
shut summit
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sinful copper
So far on 15s, those tank busters are pretty easy to manage so I'm not sweating it. Very cool that u can use it like that though.
chilly brook
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QXgDhyVzHRkmP1q2?fight=last&type=healing&so...
Well here
here's my assumption
Since arms and prot share a lot of things it's probably utilizing the Arms spell ID
shut summit
yep was thinkin same thing
lusty grotto
does anyone have the raid leader discord crab damage script
for stix?
if theres such a thing
patent scroll
🤔 damage before they are freed?
lusty grotto
yea
patent scroll
I can tell you how to create one
patent scroll
I mean, it's not hard, and actually kinda useful
Queries > tick Damage > go down a bit > swap pin type to filter > slightly above you have "or" & "and" select "and" > tick Buffs and Debuffs > tick Only match if aura present, make sure it's on target > go down to abilities > write Territorial and select the one buff it should find > press create pin
Now if you go to damage done tab, it should show damage done only to targets that have the buff up, and in this case it drops as soon as crabs are free
lusty grotto
ok ill try it out
oh wait thats for wcl isnt it? i know how to do that, i meant a details one
wicked pollen
target.name="Territorial Bombshell" and resources.hpPercent > 80
in expression in wcl
patent scroll
Yeah that would work as well
ionic abyss
Trying to get a new warrior geared to tank, what should i use the cartel chips on assuming i have no gear at all on him?
lusty grotto
you shouldnt use dinars for that
ionic abyss
i shouldnt use dinars to get gear? what else would i use it for