protection

[pallid quiver]

So if people come in here saying something, I deal with that assertion

[tribal wharf]

wont go into it but have 2 major headaches atm

time will solve them

[pallid quiver]

100% honestly, who gives a fuck

neither is going to make a difference on you living or not in any realistic circumstance

[chilly brook]

simple math, he did 4.05b damage that key

10% of that is 405m

[pallid quiver]

BrV has more value when you're optimizing damage, but it's really not enough. It also can't run into overheal

as long as the talent point is sent on one of them

[chilly brook]

FBV did 221m

[round pendant]

Yeah, but 400m extra IP isn't realistic because you'll be overcapping or getting your IP deleted while you're dpsing

[lusty grotto]

griff why did you change your name

are you pulling a yogi

[chilly brook]

no

my warrior is woahyer

been that way since SL

[pallid quiver]

oh i misclicked and replied to myself above

[round pendant]

I gotcha tho

[chilly brook]

for sure it's not a complete 1:1

[round pendant]

Yeah I mean I think the diff is prob pretty small

[chilly brook]

but gives an idea

[grizzled orbit]

oh we not playng mountain anymore? 😛

[lusty grotto]

you still changed your name

[round pendant]

I'd bet BrV is better tho

[chilly brook]

we haven't been

[pallid quiver]

You can if you want; it won't enable or disable you from anything. You'll just do less damage.

[cerulean tusk]

Didnt even play thane in s1, get with the times :>

[round pendant]

BUT honestly maybe the actual persistent heals from FbV could be pretty good??

I might try it

[pallid quiver]

You might be tankier, you might not depending on damage profiles

[lusty grotto]

it depends on how big pulls are

[pallid quiver]

Colo gets some interesting synergy with Immovable Object, so it can sneak in some Shield Walls in spots Thane can't

[round pendant]

but then again, when you really could use some nice regen is when that talent won't heal fuck all anyway

like on bleeds

[lusty grotto]

IP loses value when theres 200 fucking mobs whacking at you

[pallid quiver]

Thane generates more rage, so it can cycle CDs faster as a whole

It literally jujst depends on how damage is coming in, which is extremely situational

[cerulean tusk]

Back to the wall fixes that

[chilly brook]

overall his build isn't cooked so

glad to see it

[round pendant]

his IP heals so much more than mine

prob cause higher keys ig

"heals"

[chilly brook]

lmao he said the thing

[pallid quiver]

Could also be stat distribution, so each application has more

[lusty grotto]

it also scales with damage

[chilly brook]

he said prot has better mob control than DH

the thing that the DH discord said I was coping for even suggesting that warrior had anything close to DH

[unborn island]

I mean...our knockups etc are excellent, but man I'm jelly of the chains

[pallid quiver]

I'd argue it could, depending on what you need. Since a lot of our control comes in the forms of hard stops, as compared to interrupts

[round pendant]

yoda when he agrees with me: based
yoda when he disagrees with me: wrong and bad at pwar

[lusty grotto]

would you expect any different from a discord thats currently full with fotm rerollers?

this discord is the same

[pallid quiver]

I've argued for a hot minute that our spec actually has a lot of control, especially right now if you're leveraging SC as a stop when it comes up and you have the chance

[lusty grotto]

when we're meta

[round pendant]

man I've got some horrible habits since switching to colossus

[cerulean tusk]

DHs are very opinionated about their superior status

Then they go all crybaby when proven wrong

[lusty grotto]

its not a DH problem

[cerulean tusk]

Hm, nah, that is a DH problem

[pallid quiver]

Our only problem is when we run into current design philosophy of mobs just instantly recasting if hard stopped; not all mobs are doing that, either, so

[lusty grotto]

its the meta d!ck rider problem

[cerulean tusk]

The only one that would defend DH this hard, Nim. Is a DH in denial.

[lusty grotto]

it happens in every single discord

including ours

again its not a DH problem

[nocturne spindle]

what happen

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, it is a DH problem.

[pallid quiver]

i'd say it's a modern gamer problem tbh

[nocturne spindle]

someone said we fotm now?

[lusty grotto]

the only reason it doesnt fucking blows up is that we have some very good discord demons here

[pallid quiver]

I've seen that behavior everywhere

[cerulean tusk]

DH mains are everywhere.

[pallid quiver]

Yoda put out a prot war vid, chat went crazy

[cerulean tusk]

Figures you see them

[round pendant]

Just play a fighting game if you wanna see insane overhyping of characters or even downplaying

[pallid quiver]

DH maining is a lifestyle choice. An incorrect one, one that leads down a path of sin.

But it is a choice.

[pallid quiver]

as a fight gamer, wow gets worse on a regular basis

I think the spikes in fight game land are worse, though

So like when it's bad in fight game land, it's bad

[round pendant]

It's kinda opposite in fighting games though

low tiers get people saying they're better than they are

high tiers get tons of downplayers

[shut summit]

20sec shockwave that doesn't care about the dr because of the knockup is actually insane fwiw

[round pendant]

my character bad your character op

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, and we've got a lot before that, even

[round pendant]

yeah I never felt like pwar had bad utility

always felt good to me

DH just felt fucking unfair in DF

but it's fine now

ppal is privileged as always

[pallid quiver]

Even if we ignore the knockup, 20s shockwave is still real solid when combined with Storm Bolt, leveraging SC if possible, and the glory of the basic melee interrupt

And that's ignoring AOE interrupt picks or AOE (target capped qq) fear

[shut summit]

been saying for awhile that in terms of power this prolly the closest pwar has been to the meta tank in many seasons

[round pendant]

shhh

we don't wanna catch a nerf

[nocturne spindle]

im so tempted to just take the magic damage d stance talent for floodgate

fucking momma hurts too much

[pallid quiver]

I'm personally really happy with tank balance as a whole at the moment; all the specs seem real playable and strong overall. There's still holes that need patching, obviously

[round pendant]

what key level weeshy?

[shut summit]

just use mud trinket for floodgate

[nocturne spindle]

16

[shut summit]

extremely powerful

[pallid quiver]

but there has been so much worse balance wise in the game's history

[round pendant]

is 6% less magic dam gonna save you

[nocturne spindle]

mud over bombsuit for floodgate?

[shut summit]

ye

[lusty grotto]

griff has been saying this for more than a month

[round pendant]

because if it does, it probably quickly won't in a 17

[lusty grotto]

and i also was a non-believer but yeah 1 min cd or less with its dot cdr is the way to go

[round pendant]

I've not dropped a mud

[lusty grotto]

but other than floodgate

i suppose it has some value in DFC

[nocturne spindle]

what other dots are in floodgate anyway

momma

[lusty grotto]

the hex

[nocturne spindle]

punch

ohhh

right

[shut summit]

might test it in priory for first boss because that shit is demented but haven't tried yet

[nocturne spindle]

thats fucking everywhere

[lusty grotto]

you constantly get it

[nocturne spindle]

yeayea

i forgot about that from the guys

fair enough then

[lusty grotto]

thats why its so good in that dungeon

you basically have a dot on you forever at least on the first part

[nocturne spindle]

yea i forgot thats a thing

okay mud and we shall see

[lusty grotto]

sorry curse, not hex

but i guess you understood lol

[nocturne spindle]

yea idk what it is

[frosty mango]

Also the pinch from the crabs

[nocturne spindle]

but i know what it is

[frosty mango]

I think works

[nocturne spindle]

i dont think i intentionally pull any crabs but

hyuge anyway

[pallid quiver]

If it gets you a lot of value, could you holler at me and let me know? It's something I'd like to pass to people asking for help in the logs channel if they're aiming to push high

[lusty grotto]

depends on your route i guess

[frosty mango]

I played it in first boss priory and I didn’t log it but the cdr took it down to about 100s I think? I have a myth mud I can try to test tonight and log it

[nocturne spindle]

bro took the 5% interrupt cd talent but not the extra aoe stop

smh yoda

[past sequoia]

Do we have routes anywhere?

[lusty grotto]

we?

routes are not class specific

raider.io -> weekly route

[pallid quiver]

except for when they are, which is not currently i don't think

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[pallid quiver]

I think it was just a rhetorical method, tho

[nocturne spindle]

i think DH has a few jump meld skips

[lusty grotto]

the ToP platform snap pull might be vdh/brew specific i guess

[nocturne spindle]

that are unique to it

[lusty grotto]

we can do jump melds

[pallid quiver]

DHs aren't people tho

we just had a convo about this smh

[lusty grotto]

what specific jump meld are you talking about

honestly though

anyone asking for routes its not gonna do those

they are most likely looking for basic routing

[nocturne spindle]

i thought bubbles was DH specific

for some reason

[lusty grotto]

def not

[nocturne spindle]

i never looked cause im dwarf

[lusty grotto]

neither is the hopgoblin skip

afaik there isnt any jump meld thats vdh only

outside of MDI routing

but only because i didnt actually watch all of them

[past sequoia]

Cool. Asking so I can take a generic route and run it.

Thanks!

[past sequoia]

❤️

[lusty grotto]

keystone.guru also has some in their uhhh expansion routes section i guess

though i personally dont like any of them

[nocturne spindle]

the only skip routes i would bother to try and do while your learning are motherlode and theater of pain

mostly cause theater of pain is so easy and everyone does the motherlode ones so pugs will get mad if you dont

[lusty grotto]

he didnt ask about skips

he only asked where to get routes

[round pendant]

wait

disrupting shout puts spells on cooldown?

[lusty grotto]

yes... its a kick

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, part of the difference between it and AOE silence

[round pendant]

wait it was just the way yoda worded it

[pallid quiver]

Since it's also an aoe interrupt, it can be used for casts on mobs that are immune to stops/CC, as well

[round pendant]

"puts their abilities on cooldown"

plural abilities

[lusty grotto]

hmm

it does though

[pallid quiver]

Oh, he was probably just using the grammer of their abilities, so the abilities of the various their

[lusty grotto]

same way a kick does

[pallid quiver]

It doesn't set all of an enemy's abilities on cd

[round pendant]

it should >:^)

[solid sun]

It does if they’re all in the same school doesn’t it

[lusty grotto]

ngl im with yoda on this one, its implied the cast you kick is the one that gets put on cd

yes Rhino

[round pendant]

yeah for 6s

[pallid quiver]

It should lock them out for the extended 6s duration, but it shouldn't set them on proper CD;

[round pendant]

nah it works like I thought I just got confuseded

[pallid quiver]

Just like how when you interrupt something, it doesn't always immediately recast it as soon as lockout is over; it has a longer CD on it in many cases

Since mobs will set abilities on CD when they're properly interrupted as compared to hardstopped

At least with current design intent

[round pendant]

bring back stops being kicks

[willow edge]

Make piercing howl a stop instead of just a slow I reckon

[pallid quiver]

Make piercing howl aoe execute people, "piercing" them

[frosty mango]

Not only does it put them on cd

It does it for 6 seconds

Which is massive

[round pendant]

I still think it should be a silence though

[sinful copper]

Only if from the same school right?

[pallid quiver]

Like I mentioned above, it doesn't set them on CD even if same school; they're just locked out for the duration. The only ability that actively goes on CD proper is the one they were casting

Lockout and CD are technically different things; it normally isn't an issue in PvE, but it's notable for PvP

iirc, CDs even count down during lockout

[lusty grotto]

its time for chipadin's weekly rat key

true rat power

what a champ

[pallid quiver]

Rat

higher ilvl than most of my characters

[lusty grotto]

really?

[pallid quiver]

ye

[lusty grotto]

well to be fair...

[pallid quiver]

Most of my chars are at like 64x

[lusty grotto]

i converted all my crests lol

[pallid quiver]

My War isn't even 67x yet

[round pendant]

I have 2 chars higher than 630

[pallid quiver]

Last I checked, I was 664 I think?

I also haven't logged in for like a month I think

[round pendant]

god my damage was so bad in my +13 floodgate

and I had pumpers so I can't blame them for it (by making the key slow, which they didn't)

[sinful copper]

I have 4 characters at 670+

And 3 at 640+

[lusty grotto]

congratulations

cba to grind all the crests i need to get this guy a 2h lol

weekly 10 ftw

[chilly brook]

It should definitely be shorter than 100s

[frosty mango]

It may have been, I’ll check it tonight

[inland garnet]

HI guys does this imply that if you purchase the Hero track of e.g. the Bomb suit it may upgraded automatically to Mythic track if all 12s are timed?
"... it can upgraded even to the Myth track!"
Edit: Stupid question for the raid items. But it stands for the M+ trinkets?

[small steeple]

oh man, yoda recommending fueled by violence over brutal vitality

[nocturne spindle]

no

its saying only buy raid trinkets if you can buy myth track

except house of cards and bombsuit which are fine to buy on hero track

but that line is saying you can get it on myth track if you have the right boss kills

weird sentence on the bottom tbh

[inland garnet]

Got it, thanks 🙂

[sinful copper]

What do u think? I think it makes a lot of sense because my deep wounds did like 175m dmg in a key, which means it would've healed more than the contribution to my ignore pain from the other talent

[mighty valley]

it's funny, i feel like that talent node has generated the most out of whack discourse:effect ratio of our entire talent tree

[solid sun]

Idk how to compare the two talents

He says pwar has more control than vdh so I’m very curious how the community responds to that

[weak delta]

Im trying to gear up a prot set for pushing up to 3k io 2600 currently and have a trinket question, I have 671 tome , pacemaker and bombsuit, which should I use? Also should I buy a hero track house of cards next week?

[frosty mango]

It does

[solid sun]

But he says stuff that doesn’t make sense to me

[frosty mango]

I mean in a vaccum yes pwar does have more control

[solid sun]

“Everyone kicks into shockwave plus aoe kick into everyone kicks into shockwave again

So you’re soloing kicks for the first 30 seconds”

[frosty mango]

But imo functionally it doesn’t because almost all your shit drs with other classes controls (aka stuns)

[solid sun]

But twice there he says everyone kicks. That doesn’t sound like soloing

[small steeple]

hey now, dont go making sense ok?

[frosty mango]

Not an apples to apples comparison

[sinful copper]

Tome and pacemaker. U can buy hoc if u want and don't mind spending your dinars. No

[sinful copper]

Yes it is lol. It's literally the same choice node

[frosty mango]

That healing would almost certainly be healed off incidentally by your healer which means it has essentially zero value. Ignore pain is on demand and you can press it when you would achieve maximum efficiency

[weak delta]

Ty

[small steeple]

ok so i just ran a 13 rookery with the talents yoda reccomends, fueled by violence did not do much
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7QGP2TYgL1fv6RDW?fight=last

[frosty mango]

So no they are not apples to apples

Just because your meter bar is bigger does not mean it’s better

If they were both the same thing there wouldn’t be a choice node

That’s why it’s a choice

[sinful copper]

In higher keys, you're always taking constant damage that the healer is not healing off. Your ignore pain drops off so fast as well due to the larger hits so brutal vitality loses a lot of value there. Without needing to spend rage on IP upkeep, which is already harder at higher keys, fueled by violence would flatten out your hp spikes even more by providing healing that scales with the pull size

[frosty mango]

Given the rate of return you would need to be doing an overwhelming about of dps before I think it would even be noticeable

I’ll play it in priory tonight with mud

[sinful copper]

What wouldn't be noticeable? What lvl priory are u running?

[frosty mango]

If I’m testing mud I’ll pug it so prob 13/14

[sinful copper]

13/14 isn't even high enough to test

Run it on 15+ at least

[frosty mango]

I think I have a 15 prio but then I gotta find a non disc healer

[sinful copper]

Rsham is good

[frosty mango]

Disc would just slam shields into me and it would be hard to gauge the feelycraft of it

[solid sun]

Make them run the purple spec

[frosty mango]

I wanna know how it feels too, on top of the actual data

[frosty mango]

lol

[crimson furnace]

https://youtu.be/ZWdxVK8djXU THOUGHTS???

🙇🏻‍♀️

[solid sun]

I stopped watching because he said something I thought was stupid

But I couldn’t tell if I was too dumb to understand or if I was right, but either way the video isn’t for me

[round pendant]

my take is that FbV is slightly better on big pulls and BrV is slightly better on smaller pulls

they probably work out on average to be around the same

fbv prob gets better as mobs start actually knocking your IP off in higher keys

[jagged gust]

my thought is why tf would I watch a yoda video?

[round pendant]

the video is mostly fine

a lot better compared to his old google doc

[nocturne spindle]

mud acquired

double defensives is a good idea right guys

[solid sun]

Yeah we’re tanks

Not damage dealers

[frosty mango]

Yes also make sure you have all stam gems and stam talents

20m health or bust

[mighty valley]

after I said this another few pages of fbv/bv discourse happened

that node is the champion yap generator

[lusty grotto]

the decision comes down right to 2 things: pull size and key level

if youre doing ToP, even at a high key level

so help me god

you better not fucking talent FbV

BrV is good on anything but high keys on high pull size dungeons, thats when you swap

high key meaning 16-17-18+

depending on ilvl cap

[frosty mango]

But yoda said it was good

Naturally we all need to swap

Immediately

[past sequoia]

I took my talents from one of the top rated tanks from Raider.io How else are people running their talents?

[lusty grotto]

yoda is at ilvl cap

his opinions apply greatly to what he does personally

but not to everyone

[lusty grotto]

wowhead, and our builds

also keep this in mind: we just got a huge power bump in the form of every single stat available

the higher your total HP, the BIGGER IP IS

the higher your AP and vers are, the bigger the contribution to IP becomes

so that means BrV actually got huge value of the ilvl jump

so my high key statement is probably 18+ at that point

at 679 im sitting at a cool 17M hp

[shadow jewel]

got a dumb question what happend to prot warrior was like following and keeping kinda track of io and stuff and seems prot warrior is on the climbing side more people or avarage io is geting biger on prot wari compared to prot pala and shi

[lusty grotto]

that means the IP cap WITHOUT No Stranger to Pain is 17,000,000 * 30 / 100

was that english

i couldnt understand a word lol

[past sequoia]

I am warrior noob so I have no idea

IP = ignore pain

[frosty mango]

Wat

Are you asking why more people are playing prot war?

[past sequoia]

AP = Attack Power
BrV = ????

[lusty grotto]

im talking about the topic we were discussing in the channel, not what you asked

[shadow jewel]

yeah but like its kinda out of the blue idk want to figure it out

[past sequoia]

OOOOOH. lol

[frosty mango]

It’s late in the season and people are gearing alts

[lusty grotto]

AP = Attack Power, BrV = Brutal Vitality, FbV = Fueled By Violence

[shadow jewel]

was a bit behind or its maybe still the same but avarage prot wari io came up idk

[frosty mango]

Also prot scales well, does a ton of damage, it’s also not far behind vdh in capability

Also phys comp is getting more popular

But I would wager the majority of it is late season alt pushes

Pwar this season is in a great place, imo the vdh meta has more to do with the dps meta than the direct comparison between vdh and other tanks

[small steeple]

progging on stix tonight, safe to juggernaut build or punish build

[frosty mango]

I play punish until we get to kill range

For basically all prog

[shadow jewel]

is there somthing that would like make prot warrior leap over vdh even with the dps comp as is like what more dmg or ?

[frosty mango]

Well that’s not what’s happening so no but I’m not sure anyone can answer that

[shadow jewel]

fair also whats our pick bomb mud or tomb

[lusty grotto]

our picks are these https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

[frosty mango]

Given its current design I wouldn’t see pwar as meta choice unless they make significant changes to class design to add utility, they scale our damage high enough to outweigh the utility drop, or a physical comp becomes meta

[lusty grotto]

its the latter

its not about utility, we're fine

[shadow jewel]

think phys comp meta will never happen

[frosty mango]

Phys comp being like pwar/mm/enh/rogue/mw

[lusty grotto]

if they re-add safeguard, its over kill

[shadow jewel]

i dont even remember last time it was

[frosty mango]

Agree but that’s not the community sentiment which is what drives meta

[lusty grotto]

yeah it is what it is

[frosty mango]

Agree but not because it’s not good

[shadow jewel]

yeah ofc

[frosty mango]

Tank balance is pretty good right now imo

[mighty valley]

it seems like people are finally admitting that 20s aoe cc that ignores dr is kinda good actually

[frosty mango]

I can’t recall a time when it has been better honestly

[shadow jewel]

first time tanks are neck to neck

vdh just doing its own thing but every tank feells nice to play

[frosty mango]

Rogue/mm is so comfy in keys

You don’t have to struggle to gather because mm can just misdirect and rogue and tricks as they coalesce so you can literally just stand and blast

[chilly brook]

FbV vs BV comes down to two things imo

[shadow jewel]

i dont remember playing with a rogue in a good time and even when i find one they usually kinda suck ngl

[chilly brook]

1. how big are you pulling?
2. what is actually dangerous in the dungeon?

[frosty mango]

Rogue is gross if you play around them

[chilly brook]

if you pull really big FbV actually is noticeable

[shadow jewel]

yeah

[chilly brook]

like after tussle tonks in Workshop if you pull the entire hallway for example

[frosty mango]

Doing that in a pug is a death sentence lol

[chilly brook]

Buuuuuuuuut tbh I find bosses to be more of the danger point in keys

FbV would suck on Big Momma imo

or first boss of Priory

so it's trading one thing for another

[frosty mango]

Rogues are janky to tank for because each spec has different requirements

[chilly brook]

I think most people will be better off with BV vs FbV but I also think it's such a minor thing that it's not going to be what keeps you from doing high keys

[dry solstice]

#FBVisawayoflife

[lusty grotto]

youre an idiot then

[lusty grotto]

i covered this already

#protection message

[chilly brook]

I'm doing too many keys to keep up

[lusty grotto]

also the fact t he ilvl bump favors BrV

[frosty mango]

But yoda said

[round pendant]

yoda does

[lusty grotto]

i also covered yoda

[round pendant]

in top I mean

which I think is trolling

[pallid quiver]

tanks have actually generally been pretty close since dragonflight launch

a lot of what people claim to make tanks super ultra duper meta

isn't actually that big of a difference in most cases. The top pushers aren't at the top because they're playing the meta tank; they're at the top because they're good at timing dungeons. Tank balance has overall been very close for a hot minute.

[dry solstice]

Might aswell just run a load of dungeons trying both depending if you are feeling spicy of not

[pallid quiver]

I'd be willing to say you wouldn't notice a difference either way on any key level; their contribution overall is fairly minor, and your main sources of dying will bypass both fbv and brv

Even if one is worse than the other and made a notable difference, you can solve that by, like,
minor to moderate more healer effort

[mighty valley]

yeah I’m sure there’s a difference at the top end but this debate is kinda like “I can’t live in a 7 do I need more verse”

[frosty mango]

Need more int

[lusty grotto]

need more spell damage 🙂

[pallid quiver]

It was spell power, thank you

[lusty grotto]

true

[round pendant]

Maybe people just like talking about these things

[pallid quiver]

remember when spell hit affected taunt chance

[lusty grotto]

i do

had to farm the zg fish for the garbage trinket for four horseman

[jagged gust]

Member when feign death had a spell hit chance?

[lusty grotto]

oh bby

almost there

[warm plinth]

Hot

[lusty grotto]

need rings upped 😢

[warm plinth]

New pool cue obtained

[lusty grotto]

120 gilded

6 runs

[warm plinth]

Hype

[solid sun]

Does anyone have a preferred method of recording their play

[warm plinth]

Just obs studio

[lusty grotto]

i just use the nvidia garbage

but mostly im lazy and i just private stream and then download the thing

[willow edge]

Windows has that game caption function now I think? Forgot what the hot key is but pretty easy to use as I recall.

Maybe it’s Nvidia

[lusty grotto]

thats basically the same as nvidia

[willow edge]

Pretty much

[lusty grotto]

or AMD's version

[willow edge]

Plenty of options

[lusty grotto]

yeah but i dont think he means highlights etc

i think he means straight up recording, which should be simple

[solid sun]

No I wanna be able to send pop pop Nimchip clips of me getting killed

So he can tell me what I did wrong

[lusty grotto]

oh

just clips?

then shadowplay/highlights should be enough

[solid sun]

Well I mean it could be a boss fight

It could be a whole dungeon with timestamps

Or whatever is easiest to digest

I’m not too picky as long as I get good

[lusty grotto]

just stream to youtube or twitch

and then just download the whole stream or w/e idk

thats what i do

[solid sun]

Aight

[lusty grotto]

shadowplay is easier for raid though

since encounters dont last more than 5 to 10 mins so you can set it to 10 min clips at most

just gotta remember to hit save

[solid sun]

Alright I’ll google shadowplay

Sounds like some D&D stuff

[lusty grotto]

its called instant replay now

from nvidia

you just hit ALT + Z

in game

[solid sun]

Heck yeah

[lusty grotto]

i forget what the AMD version is called

[shadow jewel]

whats the reason we dont play mountain ?

[lusty grotto]

colossus does more damage

without sacrificing defensiveness

[shadow jewel]

was think thane is more tanky

[lusty grotto]

in general, this season, no

it depends on the damage profile

[shadow jewel]

theres some dude doing big keys trying to figure it out

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[shadow jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/but-why-homelander-the-boys-i-don't-get-it-huh-gif-13670748107262456691

[ocean bloom]

im still gearing and stuff atm but in M+ it feels like im always just barely keeping up with shield block on bosses, should i expect small downtime on shield block?

[lusty grotto]

you shouldnt play ITF with sub 16k haste

and no 4pc

fyi

you should be playing HR

that will fix your problems

check your haste rating

[ocean bloom]

OOOOOH

that would help a lot

[lusty grotto]

if youre under 16k rating WITH 4pc

you need to be HR

[ocean bloom]

yeah i got 4p but only 11khaste atm

[lusty grotto]

that number goes higher without 4pc

yeah swap to heavy rep

[ocean bloom]

i started gearing like yesterday but i think this is exactly what i needed

[lusty grotto]

you can go ITF after youve gone past 16k rating

[ocean bloom]

i think the best bet with my gildeds is only spend on crafts would you agree?

[lusty grotto]

yea

agreed

get a weapon

[ocean bloom]

yeah that was my plan, i used my 1st 90 on shield

[lusty grotto]

then whatever else (cloak probs)

[ocean bloom]

i was debating crafting my cloak or wrists next just cuz they are long term embel slots

[lusty grotto]

and then you can slap dawn/dusk on crafted cloak

[ocean bloom]

and then get weapon 3rd

since its uncapped

[lusty grotto]

nah

get weapon 2nd

cloak 3rd

[ocean bloom]

but yeah ill prob just do weapon

[mighty valley]

might be worth to go grab cyrce’s, doesn’t take long

will be good a while

[lusty grotto]

agreed

if its an alt

[ocean bloom]

okay hear me out, im trying to be as geared as i can for tuesday raid would sending a dinar on an early mythic mainhand be THAT troll

[lusty grotto]

so dont

[mighty valley]

how deep are you expecting to raid

[ocean bloom]

guild just got CE on tuesday (i was on ENH) but were doing some changes and im gonna be tanking from now on

[lusty grotto]

gz

just craft the weapon

[ocean bloom]

ill go as far as i can on tuesday were not expecting my tank to get like CE next week lol

[lusty grotto]

dont spend a dinar on it

[mighty valley]

oh, if your guild is on farm i def wouldn’t go for short term gains

plus mythic weapon is barely better than crafted

[ocean bloom]

yeah you right

should i still use duskthread x2 or is there a better dps embel

on weapon

[lusty grotto]

you cant use it on weapon

just craft an empty weapon

[ocean bloom]

yeah tahts what i meant

[mighty valley]

embellishments are tiny, threads prob still best on balance but don’t stress them

[lusty grotto]

slap one on shield

and then on cloak

but craft weapon second without any embelishment

[vague abyss]

im not sure what to use my dinar, i have already myth pacemaker, myth tome, myth signet, but no raid mythic kills on my warrior, so... i guess ill spend it on jastor ring?

[lusty grotto]

bomb suit

hero

dont mention myth signet, it blows for us

[vague abyss]

i could use Best-in-slot for my fury but i think is not worth it

[ocean bloom]

thats what i did on tuesday we got CE then i hearthed and bought a jastor lol

[lusty grotto]

heroic jastor isnt worth it

[vague abyss]

o.o is a bad trinket???

[lusty grotto]

2 min trinkets dont align with our cds

1.5 or bust

[ocean bloom]

oh for demolish should i hold it to line up with avatar/shout at all?

[vague abyss]

oh, :(, i used for my tank pacemaker and tome, and when i had to dps, pacemaker and signet

[lusty grotto]

you should try to, but only if they arent desyc'ed by a whole lot

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

but fury probably feels the same way

all warriors want 1.5min trinkets

[ocean bloom]

HoC being the only 1.5min trinket this tier is tragic

[lusty grotto]

our cds are around 45s with good rage use (and AM), if fury and not AM it becomes more complicated

why is it tragic

HoC owns

[ocean bloom]

if you dont get it you dont have it LOL

cant farm a hoc like you can say a heroic signat

[lusty grotto]

what does that even mean

what does that have to do with being tragic

[vague abyss]

but... i guess i could replace signet for house of cards in my fury, but... i dont feel like downgrading to hero is worth it?

[lusty grotto]

signet fucking blows

why would you farm a signet

when you can have pace + tome

[ocean bloom]

oh i mean in general, not specific for us lol if you are a spec who needs a 1.5min cd trinket you just gotta get lucky early on lol

[lusty grotto]

ah i see

[lusty grotto]

sim it

i have a myth signet i got on week 1, and i NEVER use it

i only kept it for the discount

and i do Arms in raid

my sims always put it off

[ocean bloom]

when i was on sub rogue at the start of the tier i was angry cuz i was gonna be using my transmitter for so long lol

[jagged gust]

I just sold my transmitter immediately

fuck that little purple orb

[lusty grotto]

i still have mine

[ocean bloom]

my sub rogue still has it equipped

[lusty grotto]

yeah rogues are kinda fucked in that regard

[ocean bloom]

i honestly got pretty used to it after like 2months of using it on CD lol

TTS saying "jump 3 times"

[lusty grotto]

thats the better one

fucking stand on the thingie is the one i hate

or hated*

[shut summit]

priory 18
brutal vitality: 346mil
fueled by violence: 317mil

workshop 18
brutal vitality: 274mil
fueled by violence: 224mil

theater 19
brutal vitality: 335mil
fueled by violence: 247mil

cinderbrew 18
brutal vitality: 384mil
fueled by violence: 373mil

motherlode 18
brutal vitality: 332mil
fueled by violence: 274mil

thats my math for my keys for the diff between the 2 btw

not counting overheal for either one

[rustic epoch]

Wouldnt ip always show more healing cuz isnt it taken first cuz of aborbs vs hps like disc hps

Cuz ur still pressing ip even with that

I guess the factor is more in able to get max value from extending ip vs not way i see the choice

[shut summit]

my numbers are just how much extra ignore pain i gained from doing dmg while ip is up

vs how much healing fbv would have done from deep wounds in the same key

[round pendant]

Makes sense

fbv is closer in the bigger pull dungeons

[rustic epoch]

Yeah i dunno i tried not a big key guy in a 13 prioy honest felt alot ezier first big pull myself cuz i healed well using the ip felt more in control vs hoping to get a heal

[lusty grotto]

nice

i like me some numbers

i tried mud in priory just now

need to look at the log

but it felt like it was worth it on dailcry

and basically every boss

not a high key by any means but let me check

3 casts

2:38 duration only though

so....

holy

only a 14

9:43, 10:40, 11:34

pretty sure i was slamming it on cd

i might have held it on one or two

16 total casts through-out, 30:33 timer

but total casts arent really relevant tbh

[jagged gust]

1min cd? The CDR procs more than I thought

[lusty grotto]

since its only for dailcry that you want to use it

yeah with just dailcry's bleed

so its even better on flood

pretty sure these are the only dungeons you wanna rock it

im still debating DFC

bomb suit for the rest

might need to try it, if i remmeber to

though im pretty sure Sense has logs with it

[rustic epoch]

Also with that debait on choice node u spend more rage on ip cuz u cant extend with fbv unless i am missing something

[lusty grotto]

so?

you want to spend rage

Anger Management bro

[rustic epoch]

Yeah but can spend more on dps right

[lusty grotto]

youre wrong

and the ilvl boosts your total HP which means huge IPs

big IP = less recasts

sense can keep it up with BrV

so even less rage

[rustic epoch]

Pretty sure ur saying the same thing not saying dont keep ip up

[lusty grotto]

sorry your english is really bad

i cant really understand what youre saying

tell chatgpt to format it lol

[round cliff]

finally

3/8m

fuck u rik

[lusty grotto]

gz!!

[round cliff]

so our tanks are pwar/bear

neither of us are suited to be perma-ball are we

should we just swap as normal

[round pendant]

god I love buff timer bars

but they're so hard to fit in a way that looks nice

[lusty grotto]

why not

[round cliff]

oh we have a 3rd tank bdk

is that the strat

[lusty grotto]

ok i see what youre saying now, you're correct

uhhh

ive heard some guilds do it that way i guess

[cerulean tusk]

Not doubling down, eh? Weak rat

[lusty grotto]

we 2 tank it though

[round cliff]

how many dks?

[lusty grotto]

1 bdk 1 prot war

[round cliff]

we have 4 dks rn lmao so

maybe 3rd tank not needed

[lusty grotto]

yikes

i hope they know when to slappy hands

but honestly if they are good, it might work for the better

[sharp gale]

i did stix again this week with every other set ppal being the one on the boss (meaning 0 grabs)

and it's the single target grab that carry the fight, so dk dps is enough

[chilly brook]

pretty much backs up the rough napkin maths of just converting overall damage to it but with removal of overhealing, thanks for the numbers Sense!

[round cliff]

only parsed 86 on rik..

im falling off

[warm plinth]

Washed

[lusty grotto]

[sinful copper]

What's proper way to tank the big dudes end of rookery? Do they gather charges in set time increments until they stop and channel that party wide damage to everyone? So ideally move from the corpses leading up to it to give less stacks?

Or just don't even bother?

[rustic epoch]

They gain dmg based on other mobs killed once in combat its mostly tank dmg tell channel happens so idealy kill all mobs before grabing next one is what i do to mid scale of dmg

But i am only doing 14s atm

[lusty grotto]

just move them out of the corpses on the ground

and make sure you get a reflect in when they are buffed

you should be spamming SR regardless, but a buffed stack is high value

[round cliff]

didn't even know that trash had mechanics

im a good tank

[lusty grotto]

huh

[chilly brook]

I have so much HP

[solid sun]

do you need to look at gally when getting duds just like the party pack with sprocket

[jagged gust]

I just click it and go where the wind takes me

[mortal cypress]

Like the littlest hobo

[sharp gale]

we can wear 2 crafted rings ?

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah

They arent unique since tww

Pretty good

[sharp gale]

okok thx i'm gonna craft the second one rn, sick of having cyrce when i'm fury

[ionic nimbus]

Same for my ppal

658 Ring feels so wrong

[sharp gale]

with everything else 681-684, it feels wrong yes

and seeing 2 ilvl numbers on my char screen is wrong too

[ionic nimbus]

Hehe

It’s fursuitfriday?

[sharp gale]

i'm into goofy ass mogs

alliance hero

[sinful copper]

this pull is fine in dfc right, because the wandering candles are desynced for aoe?

[ionic nimbus]

Should be

[sharp gale]

yes it is, just care on the gathering

[round cliff]

dont u skip the bottom right and pull everything else

[sharp gale]

if the healer can heal 1 group aoe, he can heal the 3 (same logic with paladin tolls from priory)

[round cliff]

one less fatty and u can still skip the miniboss

[sharp gale]

that's what i do, because i don't like the gathering

but i think he skip a lot in the first room of the dungeon / so he need more i guess

[round cliff]

new doom is rad

parry mechanics make me happy

[calm trellis]

how do u sim eye of kezan for m+?

[jagged gust]

Gnome mogs are for funsies

[sharp gale]

watch out i got ammos

[blazing zinc]

ty!

[round cliff]

feetmog

[sharp gale]

you win another mog (Warlord of the Horde)

with my friends we used to do a transmog competition named "The King of All Things" and the goal was to do the worst mog who tried to be good

and the winner was allowed to wear the crown of opulence

[sinful copper]

im finishing up my 15 resils. for eventually pushing 16, 17, 18's, should i race change NE? or dwarf? which would be more useful?

[calm trellis]

this is my gnome

my man's on vacation

[lofty glen]

goofy ass mogs are eating Blubbery Muffin on 20 min cd and only mog weppons. best i ever done for mogging

[sharp gale]

Do you want access to ne skips or dwarf dispell (you can play with an evoker but maybe hard to do depending on your situation)

[sinful copper]

I won't have an evoker most likely. How bad are the bleeds in the dungeons? I can only think of like.... The mini in motherlode that charges and stacks bleed

[lofty glen]

its legit the only thing that kills me as warry XD

the dides in cinderbrew 1st room

[sinful copper]

And maybe like the priory boss? First one

Oh yeah that's true too

[lofty glen]

the bleed from 2nd boss ML 1st boss Prio

[sinful copper]

2nd boss ML bleed is like nothing tho

Add gets nuked so fast

[lofty glen]

if you have shitty dps or high keys then yes

[sharp gale]

Imagine it does 33% more and it lives 33% longer in 3 lvl higher

[lofty glen]

i wish bitter imunity will be updated to all debuffs

[sinful copper]

I still think it's manageable. The mini in ML that stacks bleed is way scarier

[lofty glen]

just jump away like a pussy and run with your heal till it is destacked

[sharp gale]

So it’s 3 dungeons that are scary bc bleeds, so which dungeons ne skips are good ?

[lofty glen]

cinder bleed is still the scaryest

[lofty glen]

like every dungeon has ne skips

[sinful copper]

Yeah there are so many skip dungeons

[sharp gale]

I don’t know high keys skips, I press W 130% overcount in 14a month ago* I forgot it was that far behind

[round cliff]

this is the way

[lofty glen]

yes

[sharp gale]

I had to clear my ML mdt bc I had 15 routes where I select only few last packs to see what I needed to be 100% tho

[sinful copper]

Like ... Floodgate, workshop, cinderbrew have very useful skips

[lofty glen]

floodgate fish skip / spark end boss
mecha last packs
ML pack bfore 1st boss
DF pack before 3rd boss (if your group is dumb af)

every ability thats gone after using ne to take a bare mini of dmg. shadowmelt insta provoke

[sinful copper]

Wow u meld taunt? That's brave

What do u find most useful for that?

[lofty glen]

but thats interesting in 15/16+ beyond.... i play lightforged drenai XD

[sharp gale]

Tankbuster of bosses I guess

[lofty glen]

spark in floodgate endboss

[sharp gale]

You can demolish it

[sinful copper]

Huh?

[sharp gale]

Demolish prevents stuns

[lofty glen]

yes demolish when it hits you

[sinful copper]

What spark? The leaping one u meld/taunt and it goes away?????

[sharp gale]

Yes

[lofty glen]

that was an example XD

[sinful copper]

Huh???? That's insane. Does invis work like mage, rogue, hunter feign?

[lofty glen]

yes

you get out of combat

[sharp gale]

On my rogue I cloak it, I guess vanish works, but I use it to dps eheheh

[lofty glen]

thats why you can pull packs away. meld and hero leap away

[sinful copper]

That's crazy that I didn't know that lol

[ionic fern]

Do it like a real man. Pull away and die. Wait for a res,continue.

[sinful copper]

What else do u meld/taunt? I'm swapping NE now lol

[lofty glen]

watch yoda pov´s

[sinful copper]

Ok

[ionic fern]

For a 2m meld that your average pugs will mess up?

[sharp gale]

There are abilities that are not casted again if you meld it, I suppose it still exist now

Usually channels

[lofty glen]

as dps you can meld the jump from 1st boss mecha, DF endboss the aoe thats targeted on dps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LISEZycj7kc

there are still more usefull ways

[sharp gale]

The last boss ML meld is kinda cringe if you die

But it’s dps meld

[lofty glen]

yes and if you meld to early the group gets it XD

friend of mine uses https://wago.io/shadowmeld

@sinful copper but keep in mind.... its not the shadowmeld that times your key. keys beyond 17 are more like where you could need it but till you are there its not necessary

[sick sentinel]

question everyone. so i only use my demolish with 10 stacks and avatar. my question is, should i use it without of avatar too or not? i just feel like its worth waiting those extra seconds since the cd is almost shared thanks to anger management but i am quite new to the spec so thx for anyone providing me w more insight

[bright oyster]

i wouldn't worry about shadowmelding so much as just making sure your routing is good and living the pulls to begin with. If you desperately want to have those skips there are other ways of doing them (hunter feign skipping, para+rop'ing, etc). Nelf isn't the reason you will or won't time keys until the tippy top.

[lofty glen]

if you get it within 5 sec then wait. if it has longer cd than no

this could help too, if you pull shildwall

have you skilled boomingvoice?

[sick sentinel]

i have this talented and i press shield wall too if i wanna press demolish and the cds are just off too much

[bright oyster]

also make sure you are using demo shout (w/ booming voice talented) for more % damage increase

[lofty glen]

happens

its notthe end of the world XD

just try to overlap demo shout + avatar with demo.

try to have them up at same time

[sick sentinel]

of course

[lofty glen]

if they dont come up within the next 5 sec its dps wast to wait for dps % boost

mby go with thunderlord and the shout even more thats what i am doing

[sick sentinel]

i charge, clap, thunderous roar, demo, avatar, rav, shield block, shield slam

thats my opener

idk how correct that is but i dont feel squishy pulling packs at all like that

[lofty glen]

nah you hav a ton of def in this opener

[sick sentinel]

dont think ive had problems generating rage aswell which i feel like is the biggest issue for most new prot warriors

[sick sentinel]

too much even?

[lofty glen]

nah this is fine

[sick sentinel]

i feel like this is the bare minimum

[lofty glen]

demo is doing a crazy job, you have at the start shildwal with avatar

mby try to shieldcharge 1st instead of normal charge so you chan delay avatar a bit in gethering mobs

[sick sentinel]

thats what i do, sorry i shoulda said shield charge aha

[blazing zinc]

Hello, in Floodgate at Momma when I pull the 2 Soldiers near the box, sometimes something aggroes the Bloodwarper. Does anyone know what things can cause this to happen? One time it happened when I was playing with friends and when we checked the details, the only things that damaged the Bloodwarper were Priest Shield (that's from the mob attacking me when already pulled I assume) and Starfall (but my friend Boomie said that Starfall should never pull mobs that are out of combat...) --- then we thought maybe it happens if you pull them when boss has the shield but recently in pug it happened outside of that + again there was Boomie in group --- thank you very much for any ideas for how to prevent this! ❤️

[lofty glen]

all fine XD

[sick sentinel]

@lofty glen one more thing

after the opener i feel like im struggling sometimes with generating rage

is that just how warrior is or

do i have to be more conservative

[lofty glen]

yes thunderclap and shieldslam on cd

[sick sentinel]

always

[lofty glen]

i also have rage problems

demo shoud gives you also rage if skilled

[sick sentinel]

its skilled

[lofty glen]

just try to have 100% uptime on shieldblock and you are fine. if you rav 2 times less its not a problem

[lofty glen]

if you dont have any thread problems you cna skill spear

[sick sentinel]

i dont but i dont like spear

such an inconvenient button to press

i dont even wanna make a macro for it

[lofty glen]

i love it XD

what keys do you run?

and do you play with premates?

[sick sentinel]

i rerolled the warrior only a couple days ago but running 10s atm

[sick sentinel]

sometimes

50-50

[lofty glen]

with premates dont skill aoe taunt silent thats waste. with randos yes. if you go higher you can say byby to ravager cause you need other talentpoints

you trying to do big dmg or stay alive?

[sick sentinel]

alive

damage is free as col anyway

so much cleave

and i dont know if i would ever get rid of disrupting shout tbh

people are so lazy on kicks even with premates sometimes its good to have xd

[lofty glen]

i love it too but its in premate groups realy waste if you have other problems XD

[sick sentinel]

my only problem is rage generation lowkey

[lofty glen]

then let them die. they only learn with this way

[lofty glen]

mine too. its a warry problem

[jagged pier]

if u have a rage gen problem u are probably playing incorrectly

[sick sentinel]

we'll see if i get rid of it xd if someone bodypulls or something id rather have it just in case too it just makes my life easier

[jagged pier]

cant tell without logs those

[willow edge]

I’d prob remove the cheat death for the demo shout cd from thunderclap

[sick sentinel]

elaborate

[jagged pier]

read my second message

[untold isle]

yo guys, I need your help with dinar choosing of item. I can get : Mythic Cards, I have mythic seaforium, in vault now I have mythic book from PSF... I play both tank and arms in raids, so can also get the BIS, but also the HC ring sims well.. I am just confused. I am not sure what to get, any advices? here is my profile : also, I can craft a 1h from spark, if I dont take the vault, or I can craft another ring.. I am just fully confused :S and I dont think I can sim the tome from PSF https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aNukyWAD6rPfZQWWF3QE1z

[sick sentinel]

nah i got that

just tell me why u think that is incorrect

[jagged pier]

because when u play correctly u have no rage gen issues

[sick sentinel]

apparently i am not the only having that issue

[jagged pier]

but i cant tell u what your doing wrong without looking at logs

[sick sentinel]

ive asked yoda today too he said he struggles with it sometimes too

[jagged pier]

just because someone does high keys does not mean they are good or great at a spec they have a good group of good players and time to push and practice pulls

[lofty glen]

yes but what are you struggling with. you cant keep 100% uptime on shield block? thats to less rage. can you afford 100% uptime you have no rage problem

[ionic fern]

Your rage gen issue stems from either not prioritizing and using your generators on CD or you overusing your spenders ,which will leave you starved.

Easy as that.

[sick sentinel]

shield block is not an issue

[sick sentinel]

overusing spenders might be it

[lofty glen]

what is then the issue`?

if you cant spam execute thats normal XD

[jagged pier]

which we can tell from logs theres also not pressing your abilities enough, the amount of ppl that say oh im pressing x on cd, and its just not the case

[lofty glen]

and this is all that you should take care about. dont give a duck on your dmg and try to get your defs to a good point of usage

[sick sentinel]

nah i told u

im trying to stay alive

idgaf about damage

[lofty glen]

then use ignore pain istead of dmg spender.

[sick sentinel]

i havent died once in keys so far, survivability is not my issue, it is really just low rage generation

[lofty glen]

can we have a link to you rio?

[lofty glen]

if you dond die you dont try to stay alive. cause you are alive XD

[ionic fern]

What is your definition of low rage generation? What makes you feel like it's low?

[willow edge]

High haste and shield slam and thunderclap on cd. Occasionally feels like you end up with a dead global or two anyways

[sick sentinel]

i couldnt tell u but thats because i played vengeance before this and generating fury is piss easy

[lofty glen]

@sick sentinel can you link your raider io? so i can take a look on your gear and mby logs?

[ionic fern]

Then I can't answer you if you can't tell me your expectations

[lofty glen]

ye bro then you are fucked if you compare them both XD

[sick sentinel]

i dont have any expectations

[sick sentinel]

yea allg

[ionic fern]

Great.

Then it's not low.

[sick sentinel]

as i said im not struggling

to stay alive

in comparisson it just feels low but if thats how the class works, good to know

its not low

we can move on

[lofty glen]

how long do you play prot warry?

[sick sentinel]

4 solid days

[willow edge]

I wouldn’t mind if we had the option to have devastate, and our auto attacks buffed from the passive. Not a fan of occasionally waiting for a proc or just the cd of shield Slam.

[lofty glen]

yes come back in 1 week if it is the same 😄 i needed legit 2 weeks to get my cd´s

[ionic fern]

If you're curious if the feeling of having low rage is due to you misplaying the class or you just being used to VDh's fury,you need to provide us logs

[sick sentinel]

ill log my next runs

[ionic fern]

[lofty glen]

char name and server?

[sick sentinel]

ill come back if i have any further questions

thanks

[lofty glen]

thats why this channel exist 😄

[sinful copper]

very cool thank you!

[lofty glen]

you guys think its worth to replace the ring with an crafted ring? have 2 sparks that i can use and i will craft neck next

[sinful copper]

what does this do exactly? lol.

also, i have a side question. is there a target count that u prio revenge over shield slam?

[sinful copper]

yes 100%. ring and neck and youre all done

[lofty glen]

and at which point would you guys take versa?

[lofty glen]

its more for dps to sm any kind of dmg

[sinful copper]

i have 6k vers and im done with it. i think 16k crit and 23k haste

[earnest cove]

We pick ilvl in all cases

[lofty glen]

why revenge over shield slam?

[lofty glen]

kk

[sinful copper]

for dmg

[lofty glen]

shield slam is still needed for rage regeneration XD

[sinful copper]

i mean ive always prio'd shield slam over everything. but in rly big pulls, i have unlimited rage, so would i ever start just doing revenge and ignoring shield slam? or never?

[jagged gust]

nah

[lofty glen]

nooo

[jagged gust]

rage genned = rage spent = cdr = damage

[lofty glen]

and never dropp a shield in your tier set bonus

[earnest cove]

There is almost always a Prio target, so shield slam is worth it. In addition to that rage, demolish stacks

[sinful copper]

nah i have 93%+ shield block in all keys

[lofty glen]

get on 25% crit. let your set proc and have fun XD

[lofty glen]

full dungeon or in fight

[sinful copper]

full

[lofty glen]

just keep using it

which key lvl are you running?

[sinful copper]

15's now

i have 4 done i think, and i think i can get resil by end of week

[lofty glen]

hmmmmmm mby take battering ram if you think you need more dmg and try to use shieldcharge 100%

but pls dont drop shieldslam

[ruby elm]

is it worth getting back into prot warr this late in the expansion? would do a prot mainspec witha fury offspec in that case

[rustic epoch]

expansion or season? cuz i would say yes expansion wise if u enjoy it

[lofty glen]

everything is better than fury lol

but yes swap

[ruby elm]

fury is fun tho

[lofty glen]

never to late

also its a new thing that keeps you playing the game

[rustic epoch]

i have alot of fun as arms myself big aoe dps

[lofty glen]

yes arms is alway more funny

and at this point of prot it kinda feels like playing arms with 1h and shield XD

[rustic epoch]

i mean we do run the spam hero talents and wanna keep are aoe bleed up so yeah

[lofty glen]

yes. but you are not squishy af XD

[rustic epoch]

bit more proc based tho with cleave

[untold isle]

yo guys, can you give me your advices?

yo guys, I need your help with dinar choosing of item. I can get : Mythic Cards, I have mythic seaforium, in vault now I have mythic book from PSF... I play both tank and arms in raids, so can also get the BIS, but also the HC ring sims well.. I am just confused. I am not sure what to get, any advices? here is my profile : also, I can craft a 1h from spark, if I dont take the vault, or I can craft another ring.. I am just fully confused :S and I dont think I can sim the tome from PSF https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aNukyWAD6rPfZQWWF3QE1z

[sinful copper]

not that late and it's so easy to get gear right now. can hit 670+ in 1 week if u try hard enough. you'd prob want to offspec arms tho instead due to stat prios

[willow edge]

Prob house of cards if you play both tank and dps

[lofty glen]

how fare away is your mug kill on myth?

if you think you will kill it this or next week i would go for the fist wep or for the swort from rik. otherwise if it should be for both specs go house

otherwise get the ring and swap it with your Cyrce's Circlet

or you got with this list for prot

or with this list for arms

[untold isle]

The thing is, I will prolly dps on Mugzee, and we are just starting there now. So now my options are : (I have myth 2h) to get BIS from Dinar, toget CARDS from dinar, To loot Mythic book from Vault or get 1 more halfspark and craft either ring or 1h. I can also get HC ring for dinar. Just so many options :S

I am not sure if mythic book from priory is better than mythic cards for tank. I got mythic seaforium.

[lofty glen]

if i was in your position i would take vauld book and would take bis wep for dps. in 3 weeks you have 1 more dinar

how much do you dps compared to tanking?

[calm trellis]

how do u sim eye of kezan?

[jagged pier]

u put it on as gear and u sim

[calm trellis]

good tip....

[jagged pier]

i mean that is how u do it there is no spiecal way to sim it, it just gets better over a longer period of time so the longer the sim the better it will look

[keen vine]

would you guys craft a shield or wait for vault rng? im only doing m+

[lofty glen]

what keys do you run and what is your curent gear?

[keen vine]

im working on completing all 12s atm and 664ilvl

[lofty glen]

what is your actual shield

[keen vine]

hero track 6/8 crit mastery

sory vers mastery

[lofty glen]

then craft it

dont wait

[keen vine]

ok

[ruby elm]

what protection hero class would be best to learn from an early time - colossus or mountain thane? so i get used to the rotations, want to do higher m+ and heroic/mythic raids when i get geared

[lofty glen]

Mountain till you get fine with cd management and then swapp to colo. I swapped around the 10/11+ mark

[ionic fern]

They have different rotations.

[lofty glen]

That was the spot i felt fine for my defs

After you get your defs right you can impfofe your dmg what colo is

[ruby elm]

okay so colo is more endgame prot warr then? more dependable on knowledge on the spec, etcc?

[solid sun]

Not really imo

Neither one is hard

There’s no reason you can’t play col now and get used to how it plays in low stakes content

[red tree]

Lots of mobs? Demolish. Boss fight? Demolish.

Actually no. Avatar then demolish

[round pendant]

Colossus isn't hard

It's a little harder than thane but nothing unbearable

[solid sun]

Also a little ways up somebody suggested spending a dinnar on mug brass knuckles

I’m pretty sure that’s not the play

I think I remember the consensus here being that the knucks are only better than other myth track weapons on Sprocket

[ruby elm]

ahh nice! thank you for the advice !!

[inner belfry]

Can i get any advice for fighting heroic Gally as a prot warrior? I'm having trouble reaching the 1500-Pound Duds in the beggining of the fight

[rough ridge]

Leap

[inner belfry]

I know i can use intervene to move around, but still

[inner belfry]

oh yeah, didn't think of that

I was wondering if there's a way to position myself better

[tardy sequoia]

so both colossus and thane are viable for mythic plus i understand, right?

[solid sun]

Viable yes

Thane just loses out on a good amount of dam

[tardy sequoia]

and in respect to survivability?

[round pendant]

same

[tardy sequoia]

so basically col > mt

[mighty flame]

is fueled by violence better then brutal vitality?

[round pendant]

no

[round pendant]

FbV gets better with larger pulls and in higher keys where IP might get knocked off more often

I sure hope I clicked not to ping Sense with that reply, I think I did

[mighty flame]

also we dont play indominable anymore? so weessentialy gave up completely on self heals?

[round pendant]

Indom is pretty bad for colossus

[compact oriole]

So i started out as colossus but recently switched to thane and feel way better. I have more aoe and better threat management. Idk if it's due to my personal playstyle or i don't fully get colossus playstyle. Currently 3kio pushing 13s

[pallid quiver]

It'll still show yellow if he sees your comment, but you can see if you pinged someone or not after the fact by if there's an @ before their name

[pallid quiver]

Compare my two replies to you here

[round pendant]

Oh neat

[pallid quiver]

Thane has more snap aggro at the start due to Thunder Blast and is also easier to play

[round pendant]

doesn't show yellow on the first reply tho

[pallid quiver]

Realistically, the only time aggro is an issue is at the start of pulls

[pallid quiver]

it used to smh

Sometimes it even pings them anyway

discord is funny

[round pendant]

Would have to see your col logs to see if you're doing something wrong

col should do more damage

but yeah thane is a little better for gathering

[round pendant]

It's going to get even funnier once it goes public!

I can't wait for everyone to switch back to ventrilo

[tardy sequoia]

revenge takes prio over tclap right? in col

[round pendant]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

depends on rage

[round pendant]

You only tclap if you're low on rage where revenge would rage starve you (and SS is on cd)

and to reapply rend

[tardy sequoia]

yeah so basically tclap only to reapply rend 🫡

might be a bit of a reassessment because tclap has always been a very important part of the rotation

[lusty grotto]

you need tclap for rage

the rage part is important

[tardy sequoia]

just a little bit

[lusty grotto]

especially on ST

[tardy sequoia]

😅

[lusty grotto]

not just a little bit

tclap is an additional potential SS reset

[tardy sequoia]

i was ironic

it's like essential

[lusty grotto]

not in aoe

since ravager gives you quite a bit and revenge can refund rage plus free revenges

[tardy sequoia]

btw so it's the same:
ss prio over all in st or tclap in aoe, revenge as spender and when capping ignore pain

[lusty grotto]

yea

ss prio over all in everything

that never changes

you only want to outburst SSs too