protection

[fair beacon]

same, I only went dragon charge in eye of the storm cause knocked people off mid 😄

[lusty grotto]

what i will say is

usually when an ability replaces another, it retains whatever enhancements the other one had

so if youre asking about bounding stride, for example... dragon charge should grant you the movement speed

but im not in-game and cant test anyway

[fair beacon]

interesting ... totally forgot about that part

[lusty grotto]

NA

though i suppose servers are up by now

[warm plinth]

You're up by now

Gottem

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

Treemouth > rageheart

It will always be so

[fair beacon]

except the name, rageheart is cooler 🙂

[lusty grotto]

rageheart was only good in s3

because it was basically the only defensive trinket

treemouth was superior in every way

both in s2 and in s4

[frosty mango]

Didn’t do as much damage

[undone beacon]

I didn't push so I was happy with my plates + totem :3

[frosty mango]

And that’s all that matters

[undone beacon]

I miss my all-totem

[frosty mango]

Dreadplate was goated

Except for when it fired out of your ass and did no damage

[lusty grotto]

dreadplates in s4 was indeed goated

(but not in s2 cause it wasnt "fixed")

lets hope blizz makes some more dreadplates or tomes for s3

or even more bombsuit/treemouths aka partial absorbs

[undone beacon]

Cant wait to use my
Ampoule of Pure Void
next season or somethin

[lusty grotto]

given their track record

i wouldnt be surprised we will get an on use mastery trinket

[undone beacon]

YEEEAHHH MORE ON-USE MAST TRINKETS

[frosty mango]

Given trinket and jewelry itemization this tier it can’t possibly be worse

Next tier

[lusty grotto]

or on combat buff trinket

[frosty mango]

Yeah they’ll just only have one and gate it at the end of the raid

[undone beacon]

waiter waiter more sacbroods please

[frosty mango]

Prob a hot take but

I think sacbrood is poop

Numerically great but it’s basically just equip and forget

It’s not engaging in any way

[undone beacon]

imagine pacemaker + sacbrood, now thats gameplay

[lusty grotto]

so is pacemaker though

[frosty mango]

Yea and I hate that too lol

[lusty grotto]

i mean they have their place

you dont want too many on-use slots

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPVhBv_-MmY

pov it happened to me

[mighty valley]

i kinda wish they could pull back on the overall complexity of a slot called "trinket"

it's ok if your gear is fire and forget mostly imo

[frosty mango]

Agree but imo non on-use should be damage procs not stat procs

[undone beacon]

i wouldn't say most trinkets are particularly complex though

[frosty mango]

Like tome is a good trinket

[lusty grotto]

im a fan of anvil styles and kezan styles tbh

[frosty mango]

Anvil was a good trinket

They are functional, and require a little bit of brain

[tribal wharf]

my motto for trinkets after running some keys, is to have a good automatic effect trinket and to have an on use

or 2 auto

[undone beacon]

moment of silence for the poor saps who had to use Spymasters

[frosty mango]

Kezan not having an on use sustain is really shit tbh

[lusty grotto]

yeah well thats technically the same style im talking about

[frosty mango]

It’s clear they did not want it used in m+

[rancid tiger]

Kezan is fine

I just liked the signet style more

Where u saw the dmg

Instead of increasing stats

[lusty grotto]

i dont

but its fine either way

[frosty mango]

Same thing to me, both just result in more output

[tribal wharf]

isnt spymasters intelect

[frosty mango]

Yes

[tribal wharf]

thats what it say on wowhead, huh

[frosty mango]

Also one of the most broken trinkets ever made, so good it’s still like top 5 for some specs

[lusty grotto]

anything that shows up in details is targetted for nerfs right off the bat because people will bitch and moan about it

easier to see the throughput

[frosty mango]

Dunno the kaja cola trinket is insanely broken for healers and no one complains about that lol

[lusty grotto]

probably because nobody cares about healers LMAO

[undone beacon]

healers

[frosty mango]

Fair and true

[undone beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842201708230344727/1055487345337577522/skateparkge.gif

[frosty mango]

Out here on my monk lohing the entire raid with that trinket

One use, 35m healing

[lusty grotto]

yeah my friends want and/or use it

[tribal wharf]

good healer is like good tank

if they are there and doing shit

it wont even really be noticable other than its going well

[frosty mango]

some arcane mage told me I was bad last night for not taking disrupting in a 10 priory

He hurt my feelings

[tribal wharf]

i wonder why he would care about that

[frosty mango]

He should have cared more about doing damage

Considering I gapped him by a mil almost

Don’t need interrupts when mobs are dead

[pallid quiver]

i wouldn't take a disruptng in a 10 priory either

There's like two potential pulls where you could even get use out of it, and it's likely those would fucking explode, anyway

[tribal wharf]

give warlock porkalate spell

[frosty mango]

I don’t ever take it in priory because the only place it’s truly useful is second boss room

[tribal wharf]

sheep but doesnt heal them and they transform into small pig you can kill

[frosty mango]

And you can just Los

Late week low vault keys are fun because you can pull crazy

I pulled 4 packs with the braunpyke mini boss that was a little overzealous

[nocturne spindle]

yall crazy

[mild river]

Best way to farm crests today? 10s? 12s?

[nocturne spindle]

disrupting is great to get the stupid fucks out of paladin floor aoe

[lusty grotto]

exchange your runed

thats the best way

i have 800 of them

after that, either is fine

[mild river]

Oh I forgot that . Thank you

[lusty grotto]

was being hyperbolic, i probably have around 600

but still

i would imagine everyone has around that number

[solid sun]

Any of you gonna hit up this legion remix stuff

[lusty grotto]

likely

[undone beacon]

damn straight I am

MOP remix was a ton of fun

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[solid sun]

I wonder if they’ll reopen the mage tower

[toxic pewter]

Yeah I’m gonna 100% legion remix

[lusty grotto]

they likely wont

if CMs weren't a thing in Panda Remix

but who knows

[toxic pewter]

Would be amazing but I also am inclined to believe they won’t. Didn’t even get recolors

[vital vale]

do classes like ret, dks, enh, etc benefit more from our battle shout or from DH brand?

im talking about melees who do magic damage

any idea?

[tribal wharf]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6CxdVfK7WjAnL2Ng?fight=last

almost anything BFA i could run eyes closed

even snake dungeon

[lusty grotto]

yes any melee benefits from AP

and hunters

[vital vale]

yeah i know but im curious which buff out of the two is more benefitial

[lusty grotto]

out of which two

oh brand

[vital vale]

like if you had those 3 in your group, would you rather warr tank or dh tank

[lusty grotto]

AP is more important

thats why its always weapon ilvl > all

[vital vale]

i see

[lusty grotto]

well main stat, but still

for example

ret paladin is a mastery heavy class

[urban portal]

and all of that disregards the fact that brand is only 3%

[lusty grotto]

120% of >Attack Power<

[urban portal]

Even if 5 vs 5 ap beats out damage

Because you still auto attack

[vital vale]

well yeah true but even if both were 3% or both were 5%, im curious which benefits them more

[urban portal]

The only thing is, ap doesn’t affect trinkets

Brand does

[vital vale]

affects what trinkets? the buttons and stuff?

most of those specs run stat sticks

[lusty grotto]

NA servers are up

[urban portal]

Yeah I’m just pointing it out

Who knows if a damage trinekt is good in the future

[vital vale]

enjoy the gilded grind. im eu

[lusty grotto]

what grind

i have 600 runed

[vital vale]

oh

lul nice

ive wasted them cus im lazy

[round pendant]

not me

[undone beacon]

alright losers, I'm done with Bligewater and Steamwheedle. What cartel do I do next?

Blackwater or Venture Co?

[vital vale]

i would always waste them every vault day to just upgrade my new items a bit right away cus i had no patience to do dungeons first

now i regret it

but whatever, will get those crests fast enough

[undone beacon]

meh, you get showered in gildeds anyways

[vital vale]

yea

[lusty grotto]

bad fucking vault

[vital vale]

dinars are in now anyway so who cares

or does it take 3 weeks still

to be able to buy something

[lusty grotto]

i care cause i havent killed 1ab

[undone beacon]

you can buy one thing week 1 and then its 3 weeks out for the next

Also bad vault still sucks lol

Dinars cant buy armor

[lusty grotto]

and i aint fucking spending for garbage hero loot shit

i was wrong

about 700 😉

15 x 15 gilded

and i can up my lower crests too so

500 more runed from upping lower crests

[nocturne spindle]

minor optimization

upgrade your crafted shit first to hit the 675achieve if you dont have it

[lusty grotto]

yeah for sure

[vocal pewter]

Not sure if it's simmable, but thoughts between hero bombsuit and mythic mud?

[lusty grotto]

if youre buying with dinar, go bomb suit

[vocal pewter]

roger

[lusty grotto]

if you have a myth mud already dont buy bomb suit

basically dont buy myth mud

but bumppy

dont you do reclears?

arent you in a guild

[vocal pewter]

yeah we do heroic reclears. i was more wondering about specifically buying mud

[lusty grotto]

nah

not worth

[vocal pewter]

ill get heroic suit at some point

okay

and i have myth tome so first purchase is myth seaforium then

[lusty grotto]

arent you on

[vocal pewter]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

mugzee?

[vocal pewter]

on heroic?

[dreamy rain]

should we wait with crafts till tomorrow (for eu)

[lusty grotto]

maybe im confusing people

[tawny merlin]

Shoud i get tome mythic or house of cards mythic?

[vocal pewter]

yeah you are, we've full cleared heroic

[lusty grotto]

i see

guys

for Dinar questions go here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

[undone beacon]

mods, piss in his vault

i have a crafted wep but I guess I'll take the saber lol

[lusty grotto]

you should

[tribal wharf]

if they didnt change it red button does full damage vs 1 target

kind of handy

[undone beacon]

Raidbots also isnt updated for turbo btw

[lusty grotto]

fucking valorstones man

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-fishing-statefarm-insurance-gif-7790622

Blizz w valor stones

[tender pond]

Yo prot warrior fellas, any specific fight tips for mythic gallywix?

I'll be main tanking since i have a prot pala mate who's doing duds n stuff

[frosty mango]

Don’t turn your back to him

That’s kind of general advice but especially on gally

[fallow fern]

Wowhead says this "Puzzling Cartel Chip allow you to purchase raiding gear that is able to be upgraded. If you fit its criteria, it can up upgraded even to the Myth track!"

Does this mean if I buy a hero track and then later kill the mythic boss it can be further upgraded..? Or once bought on hero track that's it..?

[tender pond]

why especially on gally more than other fights

[undone beacon]

bear vault, meh

[undone beacon]

hero and thats it

[frosty mango]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=471225/gatling-cannon

[lusty grotto]

no

you cant jump tracks

[frosty mango]

When you are soaking duds if you still have threat and you turn your back and jump off you will get deleted

[lusty grotto]

nome meant, if you've killed the bosses

[fallow fern]

Damn, k thank

[frosty mango]

Unsure why it says up to 25%, it’s up to 200%

[lusty grotto]

i wonder where the afk spot is for flightstones

valorstones

whatever same thing

[tender pond]

i might be braindead but im p sure pala tank is soaking all duds

tbf i havent seen the fight as prot yet

[nocturne spindle]

i mean its pretty easy to just not have threat if your the one getting bombs anyway

[frosty mango]

One would think

[heavy sparrow]

Yay or nay

[nocturne spindle]

nyoom

if you have enough haste already it would probably sim well

[next pasture]

what key level does FBV start to win over BV? maybe when i start dropping damage talents? like i already dropped sof for DS, ravager/battering ram for BSV/thunderlord, also dropped instigate for bloodsurge (asking again)

[exotic summit]

denars tomorrow, what should be the 1st purchase for m+ ?

[lusty grotto]

for Dinar questions go here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

[exotic summit]

thanks !

[round cliff]

2 weeks in a row

🙂

[lusty grotto]

feelsbadman

[lusty grotto]

none

not with colossus

and especially not now with the power increase

since we will have more AP

[ornate spire]

Guys, i've been playing arms and got to 2700 io with it. But now i want to make a switch to prot and tanking

How can i practice it? I won't just jump into +10 keys out of the blue lol

[mighty valley]

You can do basic rotation practice on a dummy just like dps

[craggy mural]

wait are we getting the one button rotation shit this reset? no right?

[mighty valley]

Beyond that... idk, I kind of think you need to do a key with decent difficulty to get a feel for what's important when pulling

[jagged gust]

11.1.7 I believe

[jagged gust]

You gotta fail before you can fail a little better

[ornate spire]

Will the cyrce circle get an upgrade too?

[lusty grotto]

no

[undone beacon]

Nome needs to come and pin a message abt dinars here

[lusty grotto]

just copy paste my message

for Dinar questions go here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

[pallid quiver]

spend your dinars on cosmetics, don't @ me

[undone beacon]

yeah but its more fun to drop the

[round pendant]

Is tome actually only good for st I never thought about it

[mighty valley]

it's not bad for dungeons but it's definitely optimal in st

[lusty grotto]

it does better in ST than keys

[pallid quiver]

It's just as good in keys if you simply kill everything before it shifts you back off crit

[lusty grotto]

im making fat stacks atm

with my profession alts 🙂

[solid sun]

finally. a myth track weapon

[lusty grotto]

gz

[tender zealot]

Idk Myth Kujo trinket looking pretty solid

[lime tinsel]

i have no idea what to upgrade first xdd

[blazing echo]

is myth mugzee fist swapable mid key?

[lime tinsel]

you cant swap gear in keys

[blazing echo]

weapons you can

but some weapons they limit

[lime tinsel]

news to me

[tender zealot]

its been a thing

[blazing echo]

but idk if they put the limit on mug fist

[weary saddle]

Would be grateful for views wich i should take.
I already have crafted wrists, so it down to trinket or cloak. I currently only have hero track for both trinket (mechano-core trinket and chrombustible trinket) and cloak (hero haste/mast).
I'm abit confused that trashmaster cloak is bis on wowhead guide, but not on icyveins guide. i remember vers is not best substat.
should i take the signet trinket to replace my mechano core trinket?

[small steeple]

is there a way to make it so top gear sims only equip/change 1 thing?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dgzAj4RAuLAYMuesZLX9b4
trying to see if i should get myth tome, or heroic jastor, and sim is telling me to do both :

[oblique lagoon]

new to tanking/game in general, what's the point of the knock up if it already stuns?

[small steeple]

knockups work even if they have become stun immune

from being stunned too much

[oblique lagoon]

Does other people besides the tank usually stun too then?

[half jewel]

Yea sometimes they all try to stun at the same time lol

[small steeple]

ok figured it out, but should i get the weapon or tome then?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/87cTZK4EXitL9meReqNspG

[craggy mural]

Is resto shams the most optimal healer for us?

[lusty grotto]

theres no such thing

as an optimal healer

shaman in general has its perks due to skyfury

[craggy mural]

I just kinda feel like shams has it easier keeping me up than a disc does

[vital vale]

why is bomb suit not recommended on myth trach but is on hero track

[lusty grotto]

bad disc

because bomb suit is the better trinket

1.5 min cd

[vital vale]

why not get it on myth then

[lusty grotto]

mud is only better in just one dungeon

cause its a gally drop

[vital vale]

so is titan

[lusty grotto]

if youve killed myth gally, by all means

[vital vale]

im just confused why it doesnt appear on the list on myth, in case there is a reason i dont know about, do myth items cost more dinars?

[lusty grotto]

titan is there as myth because in general you do not want the hero version

like at all

[vital vale]

ah fair

i got bomb suit on champ so ill prob get it on hero

idk if week 1 tho

[jagged gust]

idk if that's the call, the absorb diff is kinda small between the tiers

[half jewel]

I haven't seen bombsuit period on my warrior so getting it on hero will be good enough for me.

[frosty mango]

valorstones warband transferable now

thank god

[half jewel]

same with pacemaker

[vital vale]

good point, it doesnt give main stat either

i guess on champ is good enough for now

[half jewel]

have basically everything else out of LOU except bombsuit. Titan, HoC, Jastor's, Scrapfield, etc.

[vital vale]

thats prob the best thing to buy week 1 on myth

[lusty grotto]

scrap shouldnt even be in that same list

[weary saddle]

why is trashmaster cloak considered bis if versatility is not our best substat please?

[lusty grotto]

because the entire set leans towards versa

due to the over-abundance of crit and haste

[half jewel]

I have the priory trinket and hero HoC, I want bomb suit for the cd. I do plenty of dmg already

[lusty grotto]

its a pick simply because of all the other pieces

[vital vale]

i had myth trashmaster but catalized it because i hated changing my title every time i relogged lol.

[half jewel]

you missed the point

[lusty grotto]

the cloak is there only because of the entire bis set

[weary saddle]

i see. thank tou

you

[lusty grotto]

its not bis in itself

[weary saddle]

i understand now

[lusty grotto]

or by itself, rather

[vital vale]

you use both house and signet?

[half jewel]

I have tome 678 and hero signet and hero House of Cards. I use Tome and HoC

[vital vale]

ah ok

thats a good mix tho

tome is strong

[lusty grotto]

what was the point again?

i think you didnt elaborate

[half jewel]

The point was I have everything I could want and don't want and still haven't seen a bombsuit.

[lusty grotto]

[vital vale]

thats unfortth

bombsuit has made dungeons so much smoother

hope you get it soon

[half jewel]

I might give it another lockout if I don't see it in my vault or from raid again lmao

[vital vale]

or just get it on hero track

[ornate spire]

Is maxroll a good site for their guides too?

[lusty grotto]

they are ok

but we dont write those

we only write Wowhead and Icyveins

[half jewel]

yea I would buy it the following week on hero if I dont see it

[void girder]

How is Tome used?

[lusty grotto]

pins

[tight dove]

hello guys! if i want to have one offensive trinket and one defensive trinket which ones should i get?

[lusty grotto]

for Dinar questions go here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

[void girder]

Just try to stay on the crit size of the book at all times?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[void girder]

Thanks

[granite pond]

So if I don’t mythic raid and have pacemaker and tome on myth track already, the dinars are basically useless right?

[lusty grotto]

you can get a bomb suit

[granite pond]

I have a hero one

[lusty grotto]

jastor

[granite pond]

I just don’t do mythic raising

That too lol

[lusty grotto]

then i guess youre good

[granite pond]

Haven’t simmed it since I haven’t gotten a second myth ring but does hero Jastor outperform a myth track ring?

[lusty grotto]

yes

usually it does

but obviously it will depend on your stats so sim away

[granite pond]

I just jinxed myself so I imagine once I log on later my vault will be all rings

If you buy a heroic dinar item and somehow get a mythic kill later so you have to buy a second item or can you upgrade the first?

[lusty grotto]

you need to rebuy it

[granite pond]

Wow, seems kinda shitty for people that actually are aiming for mythic kills

[lusty grotto]

100%

[granite pond]

I’m starting to think this implementation was poorly thought out…

[tight dove]

any help? :c

[granite pond]

Bomb suit

And pacemaker or tome basically

[lusty grotto]

yes i linked the dinar thing

[half jewel]

yea it really only benefits people who got their kills earlier in the season.

[granite pond]

Unless you can get mythic raid dps ones

[lusty grotto]

but your defensive trinket is bomb suit

[tight dove]

ooh okok ty ❤️

[granite pond]

But you only need a bomb suit if you’re doing high keys imo

[tight dove]

mmm I'm not aiming to do very high keys soo what do you recommend?

house of cards maybe?

or tome

[granite pond]

Whichever combo of house or pace or tome you have

[heavy vault]

Looked at the wowhead guide this morning. Really appreciate the effort with the "if mythic -> ... " splits. Super easy.

[granite pond]

I like pace and tome personally because I’m lazy and two on-use trinkets annoys me 🙂

[tight dove]

me too ahahah

ty for the advice

[lusty grotto]

did you take a look at the link i posted

#protection message right here? right after you asked your question?

[tight dove]

yep, i was there before here

but wanted to have a second opinion

[lusty grotto]

i see

[solid sun]

Hero house vs myth tome in dungeons

[lusty grotto]

sim angle

[solid sun]

Just five target patch for a
Minute?

[wraith ibex]

Confirm or tell me I am dumb. For Tanking in M+, Jastor's is shit. I would constantly drop the stack between pulls and lose all that value. In that case, I would want myth track Seaforium Pacemaker. I suppose the question is do I prefer ramping and dropping secondary stats or constant main stat with a big crit CD every minute.

[lusty grotto]

sure Rhino

[lusty grotto]

do you see jastor's here https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

also let me be clear

if youre not chain pulling

dont use a jastor or kezan

literally the same deal as Anvil in s2/s4 DF, or cataclysmic signet in s3/s4 DF

except you cant refresh it like anvil

both of them are extremely good items, but they require micro

if you cant keep up combat, go for something else

which is part of the reason neither of them are on the list Nome put in

[round cliff]

ig im buying myth pacemaker w my dinar

[lusty grotto]

but are still very good

[round cliff]

only good choice

[wraith ibex]

Word.

[snow estuary]

whats better myth pacemaker or hero eye of kezan

[lusty grotto]

sim

but pacemaker has more uses

[mighty valley]

nimchip more like... nimyphus

idk

[snow estuary]

too much work I take pacemaker

[jagged gust]

Nims just being a good warrior training with a boulder every day

[lusty grotto]

[mighty valley]

one must imagine nimchip happy

[lusty grotto]

lol

cmon now im not that much of a hard ass

[jagged gust]

It's always bothered me that a philosophical argument starts off with the concept of enjoying life as a slave to the gods

Carnus is an odyn dick Rider fo sho

[heavy sparrow]

This ring, or a socket on a belt?

[jagged gust]

I can never turn down speed terts

Recraft your gear until that ring is good

[solar sandal]

how good is house of cards for us damage wise? it shows up as the current best thing i can buy after eye of kezan and jastor diamond, but i dont see many prot warriors using a house of cards in raid so unsure if buying it is the correct move

[jagged gust]

Don't base choices for your own character off of other people's character sheet

[slender marsh]

Are there any scenarios where any of the raid items from dinars on hero track would be better than a myth track M+ item? I'll never do raid so I figure I might as well save the dinars and try to get up to 12s

Or is this just the precanned "sim it" situation.

[solar sandal]

If it's for use in keys then likely no. Ilvl will win in most any scenario

[slender marsh]

Yeah would purely be keys. No interest in stepping foot in the raid

[inner belfry]

Bomb Suit is good even on hero for big keys

[nocturne spindle]

hero house of cards basically equals myth tome in pack pulls

depending on your stats

but loses out on single target

really depends on your stats

[urban portal]

Also depends on your sims

[sinful copper]

are u guys getting tome or pacemaker first?

[lusty grotto]

bomb suit

and yeah what they said

for Dinar questions go here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

its right there

[slender marsh]

Ok I'll check it out. Is it possible to add items you don't currently have on raidbots top Gear sim? I've only ever just copied my simc output into the box and selected the items that appeared

[lusty grotto]

yes

right there

[sinful copper]

oh nice. so for M+ i would just do pacemaker?

puts that over tome

[lusty grotto]

both

[slender marsh]

Oh excellent thanks

[sinful copper]

yeah i mean for first one

[bold ginkgo]

Is the article on wowhead suggesting best items to spend cartel chips on for raiders or is it best overall (raid and m+)?

[lusty grotto]

for everything

it goes into detail

just read under the list

[bold ginkgo]

Thanks

[mighty valley]

i just mean your ceaseless burden of answering whatever the new question of the week is LOL

it never ends

is thane the play after the nerfs?

[lusty grotto]

im just bored atm

[violet ginkgo]

I think colossus rocks this season.

[lusty grotto]

hes memeing

[urban bane]

⛰️ 🪨 😌

[compact oriole]

thanks to dinar i finally have myth track pacemaker!

[pastel sleet]

do i take myth track faded championship ring? its listed as bis on wowhead. but i feel crafted with more haste would be better.

[lusty grotto]

sim angle

and only if you dont need anything in the dinar list

[jagged gust]

semi-charmed amulet is a perfect accessory to pair it with

[compact oriole]

Is it worth it to craft max wep/shield? I have hero track wep/shield rn

[lusty grotto]

yes

shield should have been your first craft

and weapon your 2nd

ilvl > all on both

talking specifically about gilded crafts

[compact oriole]

Ok

[wanton mantle]

does mh matter much for prot?, i mean, more than shield?. i allready have a 681 shield and a heroic track bis MH, should i focus on maxing everything else or trying to get a mythic track/crafted wep

[lusty grotto]

it matters

weapon ilvl dictates how hard ALL of your abilities hit

and thus more threat

[wanton mantle]

ic

truth it, i crafted myself a wep too, but... lets just say i messed up

[lusty grotto]

its basically true for every single melee class and tank

uhhh...

yikes

[wanton mantle]

yeah...

[lusty grotto]

try petioning?

[vast epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[wanton mantle]

kinda considering just getting this one to 8/8 and call it a day since im not pushing above +10/hc raid anyway

[lusty grotto]

primary stat is pretty significant

[lusty grotto]

sure

that craft will give you free uppies anyway

[sinful copper]

Haha yeah right. Mods literally never change those

[lusty grotto]

its worth a try

[wanton mantle]

doubt they would since its not like i made it just now, i had that sword sitting on my bag since S1 and just upgraded it right now and just now i'm realizing the mess up

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

not like it costs you petition or anything

[jagged gust]

I mean, rejection hurts

[supple quarry]

which its the best buy for dinar?

[lusty grotto]

for Dinar questions go here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

[wanton mantle]

meh, might as well i guess. let see how that goes

[jagged gust]

the cool looking cloak that gives you rockets

Mog > dps

[lusty grotto]

no memes will

[jagged gust]

😦

[wanton mantle]

this ain't GW2 yet still agree

[jagged gust]

Can still use the mog a year from now

[wanton mantle]

i literally use a shield from Karazhan mog on my derg

[lusty grotto]

brother

right click the pic

click copy

and paste in the text box here

[wanton mantle]

im doing it, weird not showing

wtf

[lusty grotto]

oh

discord is broken

oh well

[wanton mantle]

there we go

[lusty grotto]

good lord

burn it

with fire

a fucking lizard

[sinful copper]

Don't even bother. There's not one confirmed reversal from mods for crafts

[lusty grotto]

you guys give up too easily

what does writing a petition cost you

yeah discord not behaving

cliptool doesnt work either lmao

fingers crossed the meme gifs arent affected

lets see

[wanton mantle]

yeah doesnt look like a ticket will help

[lusty grotto]

welp the gifs are fried too

[warm plinth]

Rekt

[lusty grotto]

this is unacceptable

you know my work's teams blocked the gif button

so we just paste gifs in

shit is ridiculous

[mighty valley]

teams has fucking ass gif selection anyway

[lusty grotto]

how can you live without gifs

[graceful robin]

does anyone know why the priory tome is so low on blood mallet but sims much higher? Is this trinket actually good for prot

[warm plinth]

In teams or?

[lusty grotto]

teams is fucking ass

period

[lusty grotto]

read pins

use the APL

bloodmallet doesnt use the pinned APL

so they get scuffed results

[jagged gust]

that goes kinda hard, I like incorporating the skin tones in to mogs

[graceful robin]

Sorry forgot about the pins

[mighty valley]

i'm new to teams, jobs over the last decade all used slack

and

it sucks so bad

[lusty grotto]

we used slack

up until 3 years ago

teams is hot garbage, and will always be

slack is just superior in every way and form

[warm plinth]

I dont mind teams. Has weird restrictions for some shit but overall its fine

[lusty grotto]

the search is garbage

the chat is garbage

the UI is garbage

the only good thing is meetings

[jagged gust]

our union rep would phone in to teams meetings and leave his mic open next to a fan to piss off the directors

[lusty grotto]

the code snippets are absolute fucking garbage in teams

[warm plinth]

The new UI where they combined chats/channels had me doubting someone's sanity. Thankfully you can revert it

[mighty valley]

it has no "hello chat" gifs

useless

[lusty grotto]

the office drama stickers are funny though, but only cause you can edit them

[wanton mantle]

so, regarding what i mentioned before, since im not pushing ahead +10/hc raid, can i just max out my hc track sword and call it a day?.

[mighty valley]

sorry this is an office productivity software chat now

[lusty grotto]

no

[mighty valley]

uhhhhhhh weapon dps is still important

[lusty grotto]

max it, and then hope for a myth weppy on vault

or just craft it next spark

8/8 hero is still 1 ilvl under crafted

while primary is big

ilvl still wins

[mighty valley]

obviously you don't need anything close to optimal to do 10s but idk, what are you crafting over weapon

[lusty grotto]

so use your int sword with shame

[wanton mantle]

fun fact, i literally was using it last week on raid nights with guildies

[lusty grotto]

or just sim both and see the difference for yourself

[wanton mantle]

just today is when i found out the fup

[lusty grotto]

yeah well youre not the first

[mighty valley]

it's not just the primary, check the weapon damage on the int sword

[wanton mantle]

funny enough, was still doing as much dmg as the DH tank, and we're the same ilvl.

[lusty grotto]

there's a very famous reddit post of a guy using a weppy with the wrong primary in DF for four different seasons

some evoker that crafted an AGI staff, or maybe it was a warlock idk

[wanton mantle]

last week 2 armed bandit log, the DH right below me was the other tank, and i was using the int sword xd

[mild river]

How much it costs to buy mythic gallywix? Any idea?

Id bet it costs millions, right?

[wanton mantle]

3.100-5100 the int sword 5200-8600 the HC one, not even worth using for the damage lol

[lusty grotto]

sim it

2nd time i mention simming

for this specific topic

[wanton mantle]

gonna sim with a 8/8 version of the hc sword and see what we get

[mighty valley]

i would be shocked if the higher ilvl but 1500 dps weapon beats the lower ilvl 2600 dps weapon lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah of course

i meant of course to the 8/8 version

[sharp gale]

He did better parse than you

Don’t forget war prot does insane damage in the raid

[lusty grotto]

the good news is

[wanton mantle]

siming rn

[lusty grotto]

a 681 weapon means that the hero gets free upgrades

the hero one

worth only valorstones

[wanton mantle]

sadly, it doesnt. i though i about it, but npc still charging me crests

[lusty grotto]

equip/unequip

and logout

[harsh trellis]

Is raidbots showing crafted weapons above 675 for anyone else?

[sharp gale]

Yes because you need the shield too

[wanton mantle]

maybe because technically is not a warrior weapon since its a int sword its not counting it as a slot upgrade

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah

that might make sense

happy you dont need the shield

[sharp gale]

I had the same issue to upgrade the raid wep

[lusty grotto]

youre 100% wrong

[sharp gale]

I couldn’t up it 678 until I upgraded the offhand as fury

[wanton mantle]

nah shield its fine, thankfully i didnt crafted a int one too.

[lusty grotto]

thats a you issue

you should have equipped the 2h as arms

logged out

and it counted

[wanton mantle]

sim's up

, hc sword 12% upgrade, that settles it i think xd

[lusty grotto]

k

sim is the law

except for sim baits

you should try relogging just in case

[sharp gale]

I don’t need to do that, I had 1 hand 678 since week 1, I’m talking about upgrade the raid one to 678, I had to wait to grab a wep and upgrade it (doesn’t matter 1/2hand fury bc you can wear both)

[wanton mantle]

gonna compare with a 682 version of the weapon i should have crafted to see if it worths farming another 90 Gilded crests and another spark

[lusty grotto]

uhh

its worth

happy

youre wrong

100%

sorry

weapon discounts weapon

shield discounts shield

2h discounts both (as arms)

its been this way since the upgrading was put in during DF

[sharp gale]

I specced into arms with the 1 hand but it didn’t work / it was not a big deal tbf

[lusty grotto]

why would you

2 hander, TWO, dos

as arms

gives you a discount for a one-hander and shield, as in both of these

[sharp gale]

Yes, so I had to wait to drop A TWO HANDS

[lusty grotto]

well of course

you cant have a discount without anything else being higher ilvl lol

[sharp gale]

Maybe if I send you a screenshot to what I had / what I couldn’t do it will be better

Because i Will be happy if i learn something

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to send me anything

[wanton mantle]

hmm, so crafted str sword its a 2.4 upgrade over the maxed hc one

[lusty grotto]

i know for a fact a higher ilvl one-hander discounts a 1h thats not upgraded

[wanton mantle]

oh hey, images are back

not sure if 2.4% worth farming 90 gilded and another spark tbh xd

[lusty grotto]

of course its worth farming

2.4% is massive

toggle off percents

you didnt need to run a sim for this

i told you like an hour ago

weapon ilvl > all

or rather, ilvl > all on weapon

what the hell are you gonna use a spark for

[wanton mantle]

sad there is not a discount for crest vendor for having a higher ilvl weapon. cause if i use those 45 gilded to upgrade the hc wep now, then thats basically lost gilded cause i still need 90 for the crafted one next week.

[wanton mantle]

i was planing to use next spark for a wep for arms... but meh.

[lusty grotto]

2h are 2 sparks

so...

[sharp gale]

Even as fury I didn’t craft it bc it costs so many sparks

[harsh trellis]

how do we get our crafted weapons to show the 681 option

in raidbots

[lusty grotto]

you have to re-add it

7/8 of course

[harsh trellis]

oh ok

[lusty grotto]

until they implement the uppy to the plus sign

[harsh trellis]

thank you

lol fml

[jagged gust]

It'll still add itself

It's just a warning

[lusty grotto]

that doesnt do anything

[wanton mantle]

hm, thats weird, it did allowed me to select the new ilv l

[lusty grotto]

thats the wrong ilvl

gilded crafted is 681

7/8 Myth

but yeah i think he gets it

[wanton mantle]

yeah, but still allowed me to raise it above 675

[lusty grotto]

did you type it in

yes i think we went over it already

anyway my point is, there's a drop down that pops up

so no need to type it in lol

thats probably why yours is 682

[wanton mantle]

siming it again as 681 rn

just curious

[lusty grotto]

no need

im just saying

use the drop down

this one

[wanton mantle]

np, i was just curious to see the new numbers with a single ilvl down

[lusty grotto]

you still need to craft it

again, weapon ilvl > all

no worries maybe you'll get lucky on vaults

[wanton mantle]

gonna try to fill all 3 slots this week with 10s. see if i get lucky

imagine not a 1h but rather gally shield with myth track, that would be nice

oh wait, dungeon vault slots don't drop raid stuff do they

[lusty grotto]

of course not

tier is the only thing that they can drop

thats available in raid

[granite pond]

That’s not true - they can also be filled with disappointment. That’s shared between m+ and raid vault

[lusty grotto]

you know what, youre correct

[little flax]

Could anyone give me their thoughts on my vault this week? Shoulder would give me a myth shoulder, but there's a hasted heroic roulette wheel that got me excited... Regret not opening it as prot spec for a chance at a shield as well (forgot about the ilvl changes)

[frosty mango]

Do you play arms/fury at all?

If you play it reasonably often take the weapon if not then sim. The roulette would be a solid upgrade over cyrces for you and I suspect that would be the highest simming piece but I’d sim it all out

[round pendant]

Failed a +13 rookery cause 2dpsers are just barely managing 2m dps

and one died on first boss to a lightning beam and the other one didn't bres him

[frosty mango]

I just timed a 13 rook with 15 deaths

We are not the same

[viral axle]

i currently have access to getting a myth track tome of a hero track house of cards, which would be the better investment?

[round pendant]

and he's a fuckin paladin and died 4 more times to random shit

unbelievable

[frosty mango]

Gonna depend on your gear, what type of content you do

[round pendant]

pressed divine shield twice in the entire dungeon

[viral axle]

finished raiding for the season as i dont do mythic raiding and focus mainly on m+

[frosty mango]

What key levels

[viral axle]

right now im working on getting my 13's across the board, might push to 14/15's by end of season

[frosty mango]

Then tome is probably the play considering you won’t need a bomb suit

[viral axle]

Thanks, i was leaning towards tome but wanted to get a 2nd/more opinions on it

[glacial lynx]

should I trust the sim on razdunks big red button? I can grab a socket from vault instead of it and use my chips to grab it (sims as my biggest upgrade from dungeons)

[sharp gale]

6 hours before I can use my dinar ahh

[round pendant]

they need to never make these fucking absorb shield bosses ever again too

They're NOT fun

[gentle acorn]

I like them, don't loose much to take wrecking throw and you shreeddddddd them

[round pendant]

lol

the absorb at least shouldn't scale with key level

at least not as much as it does

[gentle acorn]

then it becomes totally irrelevant though

[round pendant]

good

like I said they shouldn't exist

The fact that not only their hp scales but their absorb does too

means they take exponentially longer as you go higher

[buoyant sparrow]

Does reflect work on the bombs for Gally?

[lusty grotto]

why would it

also the pinned sheet is useful for that info

[buoyant sparrow]

thanks

[sharp gale]

I hated skarmorak so much

[inner belfry]

What embellishment shoul I use on MH? guides only talk about Duskthread and Dawnthread but those can’t be used on weapons

[sharp gale]

enchants are in consumables on wowhead guides

[lusty grotto]

dont use anything on weapon

no reason to, we're up to 6 sparks

[sharp gale]

i hallucinated he said enchant lol

[lusty grotto]

lol

[solid sun]

I’m doing like eleventy seven million damage forever now

What a patch

What a time to be alive

[inner belfry]

But it’s not a net negative to use something while I don’t craft another gear piece

[lusty grotto]

why would you double down on recrafts

[solid sun]

It is for your wallet

[lusty grotto]

the only reason you should put an embelish on a weapon is if its the 1st or 2nd week of the season

if you dont care about gold go for ascendance

but insta remove it when you craft other shit

[little flax]

Thanks for the feedback 💪

[inner belfry]

I only had crafted shield and belt, but got myth shield from vault, so I’m only now crafting a weapon, was using a hero track one

But ty

[daring marlin]

Can I play the game on a dab pen yet?

[lusty grotto]

hi u

what have you been up to Guilford

[lofty warren]

how do you get the head enchant from BFA scenario?

[lusty grotto]

next week

[lofty warren]

what in the fck

no this is the week where stuff comes oiut

[lusty grotto]

no

may 20th is next week thats when horrific visions come out

i told you may 20th like over a month ago

[lofty warren]

this is some time gated bullshit

[daring marlin]

HALLO FRIEND

marvel rivals in my little spare time, not much else interests me lol

[lusty grotto]

good shit

[potent viper]

hero house of cards vs mythic tome and pacemaker for raid? O-o

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims best

but its probably gonna result in tome + pace

HoC might be worth on vexie or anything that has damage amps though

[valid kraken]

hey! usually which defensives u guys use as prot warrior on tank busters? or maybe a good rotation of defensives for always have something to press and not die lol

[lusty grotto]

wall or spell block

can take a look at the pinned sheet to know what you can spell block

also spell reflect is a short cd magic damage reduction (or MDR)

and demo shout also provides damage reduction

[lofty warren]

there are variations of SPELL REFLECT

[ruby musk]

Anyone know if they removed the guilded cap on delve 11s or is it still 3 chests?

nvm it's still 3 chests

[jagged gust]

still 3 from what i heard, but they doubled the crests from the map from 10->20

[ruby musk]

I got a map on my last of 3

idk if I run another if it'll top me up then

I'll try anyway

[jagged gust]

map chest is separate from the weekly 3 so you're good

[past laurel]

what would u get , ihave Heroic, all of that,

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims suggest

[past laurel]

how dose 1 sim a prot warrior?

[lusty grotto]

you have heroic all of that, but those are myth

[past laurel]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

same way you sim a dps

if you pick pacemaker, you save a dinar

[past laurel]

patch work 5 mins, 1 target?

[lusty grotto]

sure

3 mins also works

[past laurel]

what would u buy with dinar? gally ring? only have Heroic of the stuff.

because guildless :/

[lusty grotto]

for Dinar questions go here: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#puzzling-cartel-chips

[past laurel]

yup, dang says only IF myth track is available... dam that sucks

[jagged gust]

Weirdge

[lusty grotto]

theres 4 options if you dont myth raid

the last 4 basically

that doesnt mean they are bad at all, they are all very good

two of those items are myth track

you only need to do keys for them

[past laurel]

The Jastor Diamond is not worth on Heroic?

[cerulean tusk]

What do I buy for dinars?

[lusty grotto]

a hug from big ole ratchip

[cerulean tusk]

Was worth the attempt

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-rat-viralhog-cuddles-resting-rat-cute-gif-22442802

dat me

[jagged gust]

Sims pretty damn well for me

[lusty grotto]

jastor and kezan arent in the list because they have some caveats

they fall off when youre not in combat

short fights with both are also no bueno

if you can stack them up to max though, they are also good buys

so 5 min+ encounters

or chain pulling in keys

[cerulean tusk]

What is the drop off time on jastor?

[solid sun]

Bout tree fiddy

[cerulean tusk]

Most pulls are chained within what 10-20 sec, long runs excluded (stair addskip, ToP wing to wing, so on)

Guess easiest way would to check uptime of it in keys

[lusty grotto]

yeah but those are your runs

im talking in general

[cerulean tusk]

Wdum by that

[lusty grotto]

there are people here that wont run keys the same way you do etc

or me for that matter, cause im not gonna stop if i get a jastor/kezan

not that i stop regardless, but still

also might be a dps loss on raid if the fight is sub 5 min

im probably gonna send pacemaker/best-in-slots/HoC

with my 3

[cerulean tusk]

Big Red Button, Flame Vent and... I don't know yet

Meme build will be strong!

[lusty grotto]

[jagged gust]

double big red buttons

[mighty valley]

Are those the strongest trinkets for the Bleed Support build

[lusty grotto]

bleed support is nish's thing

funky is all about 2h tanking lol

[jagged gust]

classic zdps build

[mighty valley]

glad we’re developing our unique character traits

[solid sun]

What’s my character trait

Harrow is usually sleeping and then randomly wakes up and posts a zinger and then goes back to bed

Nimchip is the answerer

Roid is the healer

Griff is the Tettles Apologist

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

the tettles apologist is so good

[dense folio]

hi, at whats haste level should i get with my war?

[lusty grotto]

any

[dense folio]

it has 46%

[lusty grotto]

rating

how much rating

[dense folio]

19985

[lusty grotto]

you can probably stop gearing haste

sim it

[dense folio]

should i get less?

which is the page for sim?

[lusty grotto]

sims usually stop at 18k, but having a bit more is good

raidbots

[dense folio]

k

ty

which is the addon for simming the character?

[lusty grotto]

simc

simulationcraft is the full name

either way

try to stick with 19 to 20k haste

the lower your haste, and your SB uptime can suffer

just sim everything else after that point

sims stop at 18k because it does a perfect rotation, which doesnt happen for us in live encounters

[solid sun]

The answerer hard at work. Einsteinimchip

[dense folio]

so then i need to higher that cap of haste?

of simcraft

[lusty grotto]

yeah 19k to 20k is a good stopping point

lock down those items and then sim any other upgrade after that

[near pewter]

The mastery on House of cards gives us enough Attk power to make it good? I dont raid so I only really looked at M+ trinkets, but im deciding what to spend my dinar on

[lusty grotto]

yes

just like any on use mastery trinket

but there's 2 myth trinkets that come from keys there before HoC

obv if you have the myth versions you go down the list

[near pewter]

List on wowhead only shows pacemaker? tome of lights devotion only for raid or ST?

[lusty grotto]

for both

and for all content

[near pewter]

okay so Myth pacemaker and myth lights devotion >heroic House of cards?

[lusty grotto]

tome is just better in ST, but its already top tier in keys

[near pewter]

okay cool thanks

[lusty grotto]

yea

[dense folio]

i sim it, and says to only change a thing, and not to take nothing from vault (dont have equipped yet with a thing from vault)

[lusty grotto]

take a socket then

[dense folio]

should i?

[lusty grotto]

link the sim

[dense folio]

in vault it has a piece with leech

[lusty grotto]

leech isnt worth anything

[lusty grotto]

no

link the raidbots result page

thats what we mean by linking the sim

[dense folio]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/okcim8dihoRTxrG7FoHZ53

sorry >.<

[lusty grotto]

it says pick the weapon...

and you should

[dense folio]

yeah

but i already have the weapon on inventory

[lusty grotto]

that weapon, or another myth weapon?

[dense folio]

that weapon

[lusty grotto]

also why arent you using Cyrce

[dense folio]

i didnt equipped

[lusty grotto]

why not

[dense folio]

trying to get valor points for it

[dense folio]

the sim says not to use

[dense folio]

but if you are saying to me to use it, then i would use it

[lusty grotto]

thats 28k more than what you have equipped

select the weapon

and re-sim

[dense folio]

and equip the ring?

[lusty grotto]

1 sec im running it for you

[dense folio]

thanks

.<

[lusty grotto]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/awUovydgyEKPAnbdHBof1e

i guess youre right

but anyway you should equip those

and up them

and shield from vault

you always want the shield and weapon with the highest ilvl

always

[dense folio]

k, gotcha

[lusty grotto]

so myth tracks all the way

[dense folio]

gonna take shield then

[lusty grotto]

make sure you upgrade them asap

[dense folio]

alright

[lusty grotto]

both shield and weapon

[hidden rock]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I assume (from wowhead) the list of buying w/ chips if only myth is available is because crafting is close enough?

[lusty grotto]

no, its because the items after them are better if those arent myth

[hidden rock]

Hm, ok

[lusty grotto]

and if youre talking about the shield, any myth shield is competitive enough with it so its not worth buying

[hidden rock]

Just not sure what to even buy then lol. I have most stuff on M track except those

[lusty grotto]

except what

jastor, HoC and titan?

you have myth pace and tome?

[hidden rock]

Yes and I have M tome and H Pace

[lusty grotto]

no myth pace then

so thats your buy

then you go down the list

unless your guild is capable of killing Myth Gally

and/or 1AB for Myth HoC

[hidden rock]

Well, my guild is but I don't do M

[lusty grotto]

myth pace

hero HoC

hero bomb suit

you go down the list

[hidden rock]

Hm, that's so many trinkets lol

[lusty grotto]

so pick and choose

you get 3 buys total

basically the vast majority of them will be trinkets

[hidden rock]

I'll wait and see on M Pace from vault for a bit but I like my Tome. Idk if bombsuit would be better to swap

[lusty grotto]

only if you push high

[hidden rock]

What's high for you?

17+?

[lusty grotto]

sure

19+ now

cause of the power gain this week

[hidden rock]

True

[lusty grotto]

but 17 is a safe number sure

[solid sun]

Pah

14

That’s high as heck

[lusty grotto]

whats high is relative

so if youre asking me

thats what i think is high, but 14s could be high for him

[solid sun]

Just cause you’re giga doesn’t mean you gotta dropkick me in my feelers

I’m doing the best I can

[lusty grotto]

nah not talking about you Rhino lol

[solid sun]

I jk

[lusty grotto]

its totally fine to consider 14s high

[hidden rock]

I mean I do 12's but I could do higher if I pushed but my friends cant do that lol