Gonna be a magic super-dominant dungeon set
#protection
chilly brook
Gonna be a magic super-dominant dungeon set
that doesn't mean anything tbh
solid sun
We will just kill everything before it kills us
undone beacon
Gonna be a magic super-dominant dungeon set
we dont know that until they drop the dungeon list lol
stoic pilot
Magic isn’t even that bad it’s just the spam dots that kill us lmao
round pendant
ig my mistake is just sending avatar/demo like it's a normal walk in the park
slender bison
You dont need a PHD to know that void theme will bring all the giga-casters: Seat, Mana Tombs, Tazavesh, Shrine of the Storm
chilly brook
again
solid sun
Doesn’t matter
chilly brook
that doesn't matter
stoic pilot
One of the dungeons you listed pwarr was meta for during the season it was relevant 
undone beacon
Mana Tombs? That would be a WILD pull
chilly brook
we either get a lot of reflects or spell blocks or we don't
urban portal
It’s up to blizzard
chilly brook
yep
urban portal
On how spell reflect interacts with the dung
sharp gale
We can normal block some weird frost melee-spell
slender bison
Imagine they delete Rally Cry and replace it with "Spell Reflect has 2 charges"
Instant re-sub
solid sun
And regardless of what the dungeon pool is, there will be pwar one tricks in here timing keys and killing bosses
shut summit
with the way recent seasons have been id be very surprised if we ever have strong reflects again, shit like nokhud last boss would be nuked if/when it comes back
no fun allowed
undone beacon
I miss Spell Reflecting last boss of Halls of Infusion
Stupid water boy killing himself on my shield
chilly brook
bring back legion reflect
sharp gale
If no strong reflects, give me ally reflect leggo
undone beacon
If no strong reflects, give me ally reflect leggo
Replace rally with this, yay or nay?
urban portal
Break our raid util for m+ util
chilly brook
rally would be deader than it is now lol
urban portal
Unless it’s choice mode
sharp gale
And replace last stand with another DR button or whatever
chilly brook
Break our raid util for m+ util
what raid util? rally sucks
slender bison
It doesnt make sense for ally to reflect, like with what? Only shamans with shields and hpals
solid sun
Last Stand into Die by the Sword ir whatever it’s called
chilly brook
It doesnt make sense for ally to reflect, like with what? Only shamans with shie...
except we've had it for more than one expansion
undone beacon
It doesnt make sense for ally to reflect, like with what? Only shamans with shie...
I hold my shield... in front of fren
slender bison
Give us VDH 3% buff for physical dmg for all party, at least we can be in phys parties when we're not meta
chilly brook
Give us VDH 3% buff for physical dmg for all party, at least we can be in phys p...
we do??
except 5%
slender bison
And remove Rally Cry or make it like Priest atonement 100% in non-raid
urban portal
5% attack power is infinitely better than physical damage
Because there are magic damage attack power classes
chilly brook
5% ap is basically 5% main stat lol
urban portal
5% ap and 5%int were the strongest
slender bison
we do??
Yes, I'm talking like single target extra 3%. So i can run cleave/beast comps up until M+ without worrying on VDH stealing my jobs
undone beacon
People forget that warrior flavor is tied in with titans and titanic theming, its not just "I hold a shield :3". I still think they should take the Aegis of Aggramar gimmick from Halls of Valor and tool it into a prot group defensive
Some big BEHIND ME, NOAW type shit
stoic pilot
We already provide something buff wise, give bloodlust
and make rally not useless
intervene allow allied spell reflects
gg utility exists
chilly brook
Yes, I'm talking like single target extra 3%. So i can run cleave/beast comps up...
- 5% ap is better than the 3% magic dam that DH has
- phys cleave is arguably the 2nd strongest M+ comp rn
sharp gale
do a group content tuning on rally like they did with darkness
solid sun
Rallying cry could give a tertiary like avoidance to the group in addition to health
urban portal
Avoidance would make it a bit too good
slender bison
and make rally not useless
Again. Rally should be buffed and cap kept in raid. They literally did that for Disc atonement since it was trash. Now it works in both worlds.
sharp gale
Just double or triple the health it gives, in group content
urban portal
It’s like amz from castle nathria
stoic pilot
The only thoughts I could come up with for rally included a mini cheat death for group or a shield absorb alongside it, or a choice node for adding stamina into battle shout like commanding shout, essentially giving us 2 raid buffs if you do need
slender bison
The only thoughts I could come up with for rally included a mini cheat death for...
Why you wanna steal Priest jobs?
stoic pilot
You’re playing with priests in a phys comp?
chilly brook
get rid of rally
slender bison
You’re playing with priests in a phys comp?
I'm playing with priests depending on dungeons skips
urban portal
Why you wanna steal Priest jobs?
Didn’t you just say you want to steal monks job
chilly brook
give inspiring presence back
stoic pilot
Invis belt and get skyfury or mark 
slender bison
- every healer wants us since we have the chillest HP bar
Even prot pal has yo-yo this season
solid sun
The gif isn’t related to the comment at all
frosty mango
People forget that warrior flavor is tied in with titans and titanic theming, it...
Yeah they forget it’s flavored like that because they spent an entire expansion building actually decent class lore and then just immediately forgot it existed
We got slayer and colossus
solid sun
Good vdh doesn’t need to be healed because they’re good and the bad vdh doesn’t need to be healed because they’re dead
fringe musk
If you really think about it no matter where you stand demo shout hits the environment so it should affect environmental damage too. And fuck it make it give your whole team dr
chilly brook
but fr I'd take Inspiring Presence over Rally any day
frosty mango
TLDR we all agree there’s a million things blizz could do but won’t do we’re just gonna be comfortably mid forever
Could be worse
We could be monks
round pendant
People forget that warrior flavor is tied in with titans and titanic theming, it...
holy based suggestion
stoic pilot
I feel like warrior isn’t that bad this season tho, am I just coping
chilly brook
actually considered less than mid
solid sun
We aren’t even mid rn
chilly brook
I feel like warrior isn’t that bad this season tho, am I just coping
because it's the 2nd best tank
probably woulda been meta without the damage nerf
round pendant
pwar pretty good this season
I just hate priory
glad I won't be playing it again
even though it's my favourite dungeon this season
solid sun
Priory is hella fun. Makes me feel alive everytime I run it
sharp gale
My fav is floodgate
chilly brook
then after the mini boss is dead I like it again
undone beacon
We got slayer and colossus
it hurt me so much to watch them do that, trust me
stoic pilot
At least it’s first pull with lust so it’s over shortly
chilly brook
it hurt me so much to watch them do that, trust me
Slayer is dope
Slayer and Colo both are peak arms fantasy imo
tight maple
not when bs does negative damage
undone beacon
Every warrior is a slayer, its what we do. We slay. Slaaaayyyyy queen
slender bison
This season kinda sucks since we don't have many tank mechanics.
sharp gale
It doesn’t suck for me
undone beacon
Like, "slayer" just has no fantasy or identity to me
chilly brook
not when bs does negative damage
that's an entirely different issue
chilly brook
Like, "slayer" just has no fantasy or identity to me
it's execute and BS, that's like giga arms
solid sun
Slayer reminds me of monster hunter
tight maple
getting locked in animation for bs/demolish also feels bad
chilly brook
slayer is the execute identity
topaz latch
make rally a HoT
stoic pilot
I wish Demolish wasn’t targeted like revenge
chilly brook
colo is the "hit hard and slow" fantasy
sharp gale
Slayer is warhammer fantasy dwarfs in my mind
elder mesa
any pointers for mug mythic?
dusk bramble
Has their been discussions/comments about this?
https://www.wowhead.com/news/protection-warrior-mid-expansion-retrospective-hero-talents-current-issues-and-376816#comments
undone beacon
Its giga-arms for playstyle, but again it neglects to build up anything that is uniquely warcraft warrior. Its generic
Which makes me sadge
chilly brook
"uniquely warcraft warrior"
solid sun
He’s referencing the titan stuff
tight maple
Slayer is warhammer fantasy dwarfs in my mind
warhammer fantasy slayer is so much cooler than what we have
chilly brook
you mean the class that has been generic "swing weapon for damage" for 10 expansions
round pendant
I wish Demolish wasn’t targeted like revenge
It should be some like giga slam that just does a 360
undone beacon
People forget that warrior flavor is tied in with titans and titanic theming, it...
i literally
solid sun
you mean the class that has been generic "swing weapon for damage" for 10 expans...
You’re confusing gameplay and the lore
undone beacon
Exactly
chilly brook
You’re confusing gameplay and the lore
what lore
solid sun
Pash posted it
chilly brook
i swear if we're talking about the class hall
sharp gale
We are talking about flavor
undone beacon
They went extra hard in legion to give warriors a more unique class fantasy than generic weapon swinging guy with the titanic theming
I don't care about Slayer from a gameplay perspective
I'm literally saying I think its a boring theme
Throw some titan paint on it and I'd be a happy camper
Think you're missing the forest for the trees here
chilly brook
They went extra hard in legion to give warriors a more unique class fantasy than...
You mean the lore that states that the first warriors were trained by Vrykul?
Not by titans
sharp gale
It’s hard for me to imagine since I didn’t play legion and I just knew the prot thunderclap /thane bfa brought until current season lmao
undone beacon
Vrykul, titan constructs that were corrupted by the curse of flesh?
chilly brook
Vrykul, titan constructs that were corrupted by the curse of flesh?
you mean every single race that's native to Azeroth?
undone beacon
Incorrect lol
sharp gale
I am a robot 🤖
undone beacon
beep boop
stoic pilot
If we reverse the curse of flesh we wouldn’t die to bleeds so maybe we should embrace some titan love
undone beacon
Literally just want more unique theming for my beloved warriors damn
Didn't know "slayer" was the be all end all of fuckin unique warrior style
sharp gale
Drink the blood of your own wounds and paint your face with it like a true warrior
tight maple
in my head cannon warr is cool because they trained not because there were some titan bs
undone beacon
Slayer isnt even a prot hero talent pfft
sharp gale
Yet
sharp gale
You know what it looks like prot with bladestorm
strong forum
bladestorm objectively bad
cuz you cant generate rage during BS
so you just...
die
tight maple
tried prot bs in SL through signet
mighty valley
i play warrior specifically because i like the theme of not having divine powers lol
round pendant
I don't even understand why vdh is meta
mighty valley
leave the shining lights to the paladins
round pendant
can someone teach me
chilly brook
Warriors are melee fighters highly trained in the arts of weaponry. These mighty warriors, strong and quick on the battlefield, depend on their heavy plate armor, shields, and battle prowess to defend themselves and ensure enemies don’t focus on their softer-skinned allies. Weapon mastery is a staple of warrior training, and they are capable of delivering high damage with enormous two-handed weapons or by wielding two weapons. As warriors deal or take damage, their rage grows, allowing them to deliver truly crushing attacks in the heat of battle.[1]
Warriors are usually leading the charge into battle, tearing across the battlefield and using furious shouts and terrifying banners to rally their allies and intimidate their enemies. Whether striking down opponents with mighty two-handed weapons, tearing into packs of enemies in a whirlwind of steel, or standing firm in the face of death itself, warriors excel at battle with a range of powerful attacks and battlefield maneuvers, as masters of both skillful strikes and devastating blows.
A warrior is a living weapon, an embodiment of burning rage that can take down a hundred enemies in one battle without feeling wounds or fatigue.[2]
Warriors equip themselves carefully for combat and engage their enemies head-on, letting attacks glance off their heavy armor. They use diverse combat tactics and a wide variety of weapon types to protect their more vulnerable allies. Warriors must carefully master their rage – the power behind their strongest attacks – in order to maximize their effectiveness in combat. Warrior talents can improve their already considerable defenses with a shield, increase their deadliness with two-handed weapons, or bolster their savagery while dual-wielding.
So much titan influence here
undone beacon
what is this lol
round pendant
cuz you cant generate rage during BS
what if they made it so it gave like half a ravager's worth of rage
chilly brook
what is this lol
0 titan mention on blizzards description
just talking about zug with weapons, armor and rage
undone beacon
Look man, if you think that slayer is the peak of class fantasy then you do you
Happy for you
sharp gale
I don't even understand why vdh is meta
Meta = group meta, if you don’t fit in the group, it lacks something utility, damage profile, buffs, you are not in the meta group
chilly brook
There is room for lots of different types of class fantasy
I'm just pointing out the idea that WoW warrior lore is "muh titan magic" is not accurate
undone beacon
round pendant
Meta = group meta, if you don’t fit in the group, it lacks something utility, da...
So chaos brand because of mage and boomies being pumpers is what makes them gap pwar?
undone beacon
I don't play arms anyways, nerd spec for nerds
stoic pilot
So chaos brand because of mage and boomies being pumpers is what makes them gap ...
When the rest of the meta involves magic dealers you pick the tank that’ll synergize with it
VDH + bal druid is also a very strong pairing as well
round pendant
cause I was trying to think, vdh doesn't really have much better survivability or utility
chilly brook
I mean you pick the tank that will live it
stoic pilot
Sure but when every tank can you pick the one that buffs the group the most
undone beacon
So chaos brand because of mage and boomies being pumpers is what makes them gap ...
genuinely, its a huge part of it
chilly brook
if more than one tank can live it you look at the rest of the kit
undone beacon
In push keys every bit of throughput helps, buffing your whole comps dps is going to bring more value than rally
big numbie as the kids say
slender bison
Warriors are melee fighters highly trained in the arts of weaponry. These mighty...
Imagine a world where the type of weapon you wield has consequences. Like ⚔️ parry, 🪓 chop and maces slower but giga dmg
round pendant
never gonna happen
undone beacon
sounds awful
round pendant
Wow stopped doing rpg elements a long time ago
chilly brook
Imagine a world where the type of weapon you wield has consequences. Like ⚔️ par...
no thanks
weapon specs sucked
and were super binary anyways
undone beacon
"cool a weapon dropped! oh wait cant use it have to train it first wow 
"
tight maple
So chaos brand because of mage and boomies being pumpers is what makes them gap ...
its more the chains and silence sigil
chilly brook
"gotta respec"
slender bison
Items inflation is real, it's not like 2006 and you get a weapon every 4 months
sharp gale
Im not benched on mugzee yay
undone beacon
Imagine a world where the type of weapon you wield has consequences. Like ⚔️ par...
Don't get me wrong, the fantasy is cool but the execution would warrent redesigning the entire class
stoic pilot
Yeah Id rather not have my bis wep off last boss of a raid not let me parry mobs anymore
undone beacon
or it would be so negligable it wouldn't be relevant ever
slender bison
Don't get me wrong, the fantasy is cool but the execution would warrent redesign...
Passive spec depending on dungeon. Caster dungeon get axe, physical dungeon get sword
tight maple
we can do silence sigil
ye but losing rev modifier tho
slender bison
oh so cool
Dude, you're so stingy for such a random internet discussion
chilly brook
ye but losing rev modifier tho
okay and you think DH doesn't lose damage for chains?
chilly brook
Dude, you're so stingy for such a random internet discussion
because it's a bad idea and doesn't actually give you a choice, just one correct answer
sharp gale
Or dk lose dmg for the cheat death (a capstone)
stoic pilot
Btw @chilly brook did you get more info on the gnome sim thing, is it a sim error or does gnome just genuinely add haste differently?
chilly brook
Btw <@133532617940140032> did you get more info on the gnome sim thing, is it a ...
nah
sharp gale
Fuck NW
undone beacon
if meat hook trinket had a grip that woulda been sick nasty wit it
slender bison
if meat hook trinket had a grip that woulda been sick nasty wit it
Stealing DKs jobs etc
chilly brook
DKs deserve some suffering every now and again
tight maple
okay and you think DH doesn't lose damage for chains?
I don't know dh that well, but how much do they lose?
chilly brook
I don't know dh that well, but how much do they lose?
they lose a lot to run the "meta" build
we don't lose nearly as much
round pendant
I honestly miss the days where individual gear pieces felt impactful
getting a new weapon should feel giga
round pendant
but it's all just not-rpg now, which is fine cause I also like the smooth progress and general gameplay of retail
but whirlwind axe
tight maple
they lose a lot to run the "meta" build
noted
undone beacon
clearly someone has not felt the POWAH of all the cantrip weapons this season
slender bison
the way god intended
Original Blizz class designers retired with their 401k and now genZ developers boosting skibbi-dibbi DHs
undone beacon
Mods, apply a stacking debuff
fallen spindle
New ability = Champions net - Cast a metal net on monsters in front of you and pull them closer. This ability apply deep wounds on the targets. that would be neat to have that 😄
undone beacon
Original Blizz class designers retired with their 401k and now genZ developers b...
brb rerolling my dh to be named skibbidibbi
past sequoia
I feel that if I take a day off from reading this chat I miss A LOT of information. Yeeesh, y’all are active.
undone beacon
Brew Monk feels so fucking bad to play, they need some HELP
small steeple
I feel that if I take a day off from reading this chat I miss A LOT of informati...
You mean you don't enjoy reading 1000+ unread messages?
round pendant
clearly someone has not felt the POWAH of all the cantrip weapons this season
yeah I haven't
undone beacon
I feel that if I take a day off from reading this chat I miss A LOT of informati...
you can ignore about 99% of it and miss nothing bb dont worry
round pendant
I don't really consider a few % that impactful tho
whirlwind axe in classic you fuckin FEEL it
past sequoia
Thanks bb
undone beacon
I don't really consider a few % that impactful tho
ye i was bein sarcastic with the big POWAH :3
kind urchin
Imagine a world where the type of weapon you wield has consequences. Like ⚔️ par...
Weapon type does have an affect. It's only damage but it does still have an affect.
slender bison
you can ignore about 99% of it and miss nothing bb dont worry
Didn't we say how to "EZ SKIP" Priory 18?
tight maple
but you can't really get that in modern wow
gavel
slender bison
Give pwar BL and I resub
solid sun
Maybe if you say it again it’ll happen
slender bison
This is now the first image you see on goggle when you search wow pwar
chilly brook
Maybe if I campaign blizz hard enough they'll turn aug into a tank spec like it should have been
slender bison
pwarr should be able to use a 2h
a-aand firebolt
round pendant
pwarr should be able to use a 2h
agreed
undone beacon
gladiator stance my dearly departed
round pendant
Some sick fuck was suggesting that for paladin's on reddit
stoic pilot
2h + a shield would be neat
round pendant
Like what more do paladins fucking need
stoic pilot
and gladiator stance instead of battle stance
undone beacon
the only issue I see with that is that uhhhhh 1-handers are completely dead in our loot pool LOL
undone beacon
fr fr ong no cap
solid sun
Just remove them from warrior loot table
undone beacon
ideal class fantasy is a goblin fury warrior in a dirty suit with two fuckin brass knuckles goin pow pow pow
slender bison
New talent: Zug's Grip - you can weild 2H with a shield, but you have a 10% chance of dropping the 2H during Heroic Leap causing you to get deleted
*accidentally
undone beacon
"you deal 100% more damage but sometimes your weapon just breaks cuz fuck you"
solid sun
Nah
stoic pilot
Would fit into our fantasy, our shields break every key anyways
solid sun
A chance to hit an ally instead of breaking or dropping it
slender bison
A chance to hit an ally instead of breaking or dropping it
New talent: Zug's Mistake - allies deleted by your 2H swings generate 50 rage
I call this a win
frosty mango
and allow for xmog of 1h
Or just make fury 1h only
The superior option
Because needing two 2h weapons is stupid
undone beacon
our guilds fury warrior loves to brag about all the extra hp he has from his weapons
and then still dies
chilly brook
is ask mr robot reliable for simming prot? im trying to min max jems lol
no lol
AMR is bad
raidbots my friend
narrow jay
Currently Been blood elf forever finally making a race change i love being horde was thinking Tauren what do you guys think is the best prot warrior racial? 🙂
solid sun
Dwarf or nelf
dusky canopy
Dwarf is probably bis for priory specifically
Nelf everywhere else
Because fully dodging any mechanic you want is too good
undone beacon
Currently Been blood elf forever finally making a race change i love being horde...
If you want to be horde, Orc and Mag'har both have a 2-min throughput CD (Attack Power vs Secondaries), Tauren has a racial stun and more crit damage, goblins are like super cool and awesome and stuff
lucid mica
Go nelf and pick an evoker gg
undone beacon
I'm thinking of going drac from goblin but then i get pulled back in by the goblin vibes
narrow jay
ive heard that evokers give a decent % of mastery and that decent as well?
dracthyr**\
undone beacon
I mean, the marginal amount of stats you get from racial usually isnt the make or break
its the utility of the race
Nelf and Dwarf have very strong M+ utility racials, Nelf being the premier choice for most settings
Drac give you the jump-glide and a racial knockback which is pretty slick
alliance is stinky so like
narrow jay
im more picking for damage i like to deal as much of it as possible and i feel like im memeing by being blood elf
undone beacon
If you just want raw throughput then tauren I guess
but again its super marginal
lofty warren
This is not the same wish list i have for pwar
Wish list:
- Make aoe soft cap start at 10 targets not 5
- Reduce thunder clap cost to 0
- Change battle shout from increase attack power to increases all damage done
toxic pewter
thunder clap already costs 0 rage
lofty warren
And have 0 cd
toxic pewter
oh
lofty warren
It still makes you take a gcd but the cd itself is none
And it's radius increased to be as big a ls DH green circle
frosty mango
Here’s what I would like to see;
- Remove ignore pain and replace it with some sort of self sustain (short term just make it a heal that reflects damage on to the attacker, like expel harm. Adjust the rage cost appropriately.
- Soft cap starting at 8 targets.
- Blood and thunder rend application uncapped (this would help tremendously for gather)
- Make rally a groupwide mit instead of health %
lofty warren
What's the point of 4
frosty mango
It would be useful in m+
Without breaking it in raid
Either an aoe % mit or an aoe shield based on a % of your max health
If they scale the % of rallying cry hp it quickly becomes very strong in raid
It’s basically a crappier aoe last stand and we barely use the current version ourselves and when we do it’s for the heal not the health boost
compact oriole
is mountain thane viable anymore in M+?
compact oriole
ive only ever ran colossus so was curious
lofty warren
Either an aoe % mit or an aoe shield based on a % of your max health
If ursine mitigation % wouldn't that help avoid bleeds
frosty mango
article was goated nome
I think he nail on the head, we’re always good but not good enough, and a rework to something engaging is in order
frosty mango
If ursine mitigation % wouldn't that help avoid bleeds
I’m not 100% sure what you’re asking but if you’re asking if it were mit would that work on bleeds
Yeah technically but not in a meaningful way - not as a group aoe
If it were like 10% reduced damage that would still probably be broken
That’s why I felt shield of max hp would be better option because functionally it doesn’t change the intent of the skill (increase ehp) but it does make it infinitely more useful
urban portal
Here’s what I would like to see;
1. Remove ignore pain and replace it with some ...
groupwide mit would be broken
Aoe shield is fine
frosty mango
groupwide mit would be broken
Yeah I agree
urban portal
Groupwide mit meant stacking 4 dks
frosty mango
Said that after that comment
lofty warren
Shield would mean it adds on top of existing hp
urban portal
Wish list:
1. Make aoe soft cap start at 10 targets not 5
2. Reduce thunder clap...
All damage done would make us objectively the best damage buff
lofty warren
I guess extra hp does that too
frosty mango
Yes and that would be A - not broken and B - useful
urban portal
When bshout is arguably #2 damage buff right now
lofty warren
All damage done would make us objectively the best damage buff
I see no problem with this
frosty mango
If they made it mit they would need to make it like rallying banner or something
frosty mango
Raid buffs aren’t utility they’re comp spreaders
urban portal
If bshout is buffing 5% damage, what if you just take a tank that does more dps than what you create from bshout
urban portal
Raid buffs aren’t utility they’re comp spreaders
Exactly
frosty mango
Raid buffs are literally in existence to ensure all classes are represented in a raid
That has always been their purpose
I’m pretty sure every class is tuned around having all raid buffs
solid sun
Give us the DR version of rallying cry but give it like a 2 second duration and off the gcd so you have time to snipe raid wide damage nukes
frosty mango
Dr would be nice but I think it would be broken in raid because barrier exists
Because then you get into a situation where you can stack it with barrier across multiple mechanics and start to break mechanics
solid sun
But if it doesn’t last very long it’s only going to be used for spikes of damage and there’s skill expression in timing it correctly
frosty mango
Absorb would be much easier to tune
frosty mango
But if it doesn’t last very long it’s only going to be used for spikes of damage...
I dunno if you can say pressing a button when an addon tells you to is skill expression
urban portal
^
solid sun
That’s largely what all of wow is but we always be talking about skill expression
urban portal
Raid utility doesnt need to be skill expressive
frosty mango
Also if they made the duration so small that it required galaxy brain timing that wouldn’t be skill expression it would punish people who didn’t run addons because you’d have a functionally useless button
solid sun
Nothing needs to be skill expressive but it’s a heck of a lot more fun
urban portal
That would be something healers enjoy
A league dev said something about this
You can make a character do calculus to do damage
frosty mango
“Why did everyone die” “Steve fucked up his rally again”
solid sun
Well making it an absorb is boring
urban portal
Absorb is better because you don’t have to pay the health back
At least this still creates hps
frosty mango
And I would argue that it’s never used to any effect
frosty mango
If they deleted rally from our toolkit tomorrow it wouldn’t make any difference because 99.999999999% of the time it’s pressed it could have been omitted to no ill effect
That’s the hallmark of a poorly designed/balanced skill
solid sun
Then if you’re gonna change it make it noteworthy and awesome
An absorb doesn’t do that
frosty mango
I mean that’s great but it needs to be tunable and functional
solid sun
It already adds health. Idc if it’s a temporary hp buff or a shield
frosty mango
Big diff between those
solid sun
Not really. I have more health or I have more health
mighty valley
If they deleted rally from our toolkit tomorrow it wouldn’t make any difference ...
are you just saying this for raid or
i mean m+
frosty mango
It’s shit in m+ too
mighty valley
i'm saying it's not shit in raid lmao
solid sun
It literally isn’t shit in raid
frosty mango
Tell me one place in any key or raid where rally makes a meaningful difference
Where it is required
urban portal
It already adds health. Idc if it’s a temporary hp buff or a shield
If you have 1 mil hp, rally gives 1m, and you take 1.5m damage, you’ll be left with 1 hp when rally expires
If it was an absorb you would be left with 500k
frosty mango
Rally only matters if it prevents someone from dying
solid sun
No it doesn’t
frosty mango
And I would argue that is almost never the case
mighty valley
when it was slightly stronger than it is now, rwf raids had like 4 warriors
and they used them all
frosty mango
You can’t apply world first raider logic to skill design because they creatively abuse things in ways they are not intended to be used to get ahead
Which good for them
But the player base is not limit
solid sun
When people feel safer, they play better. It doesn’t matter if someone wasn’t necessarily saved by having rally
solid sun
Sure they do.
mighty valley
You can’t apply world first raider logic to skill design because they creatively...
creative abuse like "increasing max health to help healers through a tight healing check"
solid sun
This raid I’m trying to help get aotc has an mrt note that has me rallying and the healer person is adamant I have rally there
frosty mango
This raid I’m trying to help get aotc has an mrt note that has me rallying and t...
Ok so do this
Don’t press it
solid sun
Do they need it? No. Do they feel better having it? Yes
frosty mango
See if they notice
solid sun
I absolutely didn’t press it the first time because I never had to use those notes
frosty mango
Do they need it? No. Do they feel better having it? Yes
That’s not objective that’s the literal definition of subjective and it proves my point that it’s a useless ass skill lol
solid sun
And I was def called out for it
mighty valley
it's obviously not as big as it used to be but people die all the time from rot damage after the big damage event brings them low, any buffer helps
solid sun
No, it objectively has a positive effect on the healers in this raid
Like it’s actually happening
Just because you and your friends are giga skilled and don’t need it doesn’t mean nobody else is positively effected by it
And if max is calling for it in their raids they obviously use it for more practical reasons than what I described
My stance changes in m+ but I just can’t imagine it being shit in raid
urban portal
It’s shit unless ur in a hof guild
frosty mango
And if max is calling for it in their raids they obviously use it for more pract...
Max calling for it in raids irrelevant
It exists, of course he’s gonna use it
chilly brook
Max calling for it in raids irrelevant
it's not
urban portal
The upside of rally is that it’s the only one out of the three that doesn’t hurt healer parses
frosty mango
It’s 100% irrelevant to this conversation, because they would use any skill with net positive
If there was a button that gave everyone .00001% damage they would press it
chilly brook
if it has a net positive then what's your point
chilly brook
If there was a button that gave everyone .00001% damage they would press it
not over bringing something else that does more lmao
frosty mango
My point is the skill in its current state is poorly designed because its not relevant to anything
chilly brook
it's relevant when it would be relevant and not when it wouldn't be
if it gives enough hp buffer to save someone it was relevant if it didn't not so much
frosty mango
If rally were deleted tomorrow it would have no impact on outcomes, it should be redesigned into something useful
mighty valley
i think it's poorly designed as is because it scales terribly with smaller group sizes and it can't be made much stronger without warping heal check tuning/encouraging warrior stacking
chilly brook
just like almost every other global raid CD
useful if it does the thing
not useful if it doesn't
mighty valley
but i don't agree that it's never impactful right now
chilly brook
because saying it's never impactful is a really bad statement
frosty mango
You show me a log of rally saving someone’s life that would have otherwise died and I’ll be on board
mighty valley
you think it's literally never happened that someone has narrowly died during a raid heal check? really?
frosty mango
Because I think if you compare that to like darkness or amz it would be far easier to find examples of those
mighty valley
literally never?
frosty mango
literally never?
Close enough to being zero that it is effectively never, yes
I’m open to being wrong here I just don’t see it
mighty valley
you think people only die by 10% overkill ever?
frosty mango
I think in the grand scheme of things when people die it isn’t to rotting out
Not that it never happens because it does, but I have never seen a rally save someone from rotting
Granted it would be exceptionally hard to prove that because if the rally saved them they’d be…not dead
mighty valley
people never die on, like, the last tick of a groupwide damage effect?
lofty warren
What's the point if written wish list? Think blizz will even look at them?
strong forum
is pretty
whole glade
can you block the shots from the marksmen in Priory?
strong forum
yes
whole glade
aight thanks
lofty warren
If they shoot your ass then you can't block i think at least it was like that
slender bison
Imagine the blizz dev who inherited the Intervene legacy code from the boomer dev who retired with his 401k
That's why we have same tree since 2022
rain light
warrior rework 12.0
slender bison
Or Honed Reflexes
They refuse to rewrite Leap pathing code
Sidearm with DF S1 damage values
west turtle
Do you guys think for prog is it better to take the Priory Trinket or the Pacemaker? I'm in mythic lockenstock at the moment and I think I will have to spend my dinars in 2 trinkets and 1 Jastor Diamond
patent pebble
If I'm making a new prot now (gonna level it up with upcoming timewalking) am I best off just crafting a 658 1h and shield right away after I hit 80? Wondering what the best 2 uses of the enchanted runed crests from campaign and renown are
whole glade
For Braunpyke mini boss at the end of Priory, I'm struggling to generate enough rage to keep ignore pain up so he doesn't slowly melt me away. Granted, Healer said he messed up sone buttons too, but should I be able to self sustain when tanking him and nothing else?
round cliff
lol no
braunpyke will eat your butthole and its your healers problem
make sure ur cycling ur defensives, they all do smth vs him
old flame
So for tomorrow, what should I get with the first chip? I already have a mythic priory trinket, won't be killing mythic gally heroic jastors?
round cliff
make sure ur cycling ur defensives, they all do smth vs him
by the time you've used spell block, spell reflect, and both your shield walls, he should be dead @whole glade
just try to IP the big blazing strike
and dw about the bleed effect, its a healer prob as long as ur using ur mitigations
whole glade
Aight, thanks!
round cliff
just be sure not to overlap spell block and shield wall
its redundant
same goes for spell block and spell reflect or spell reflect and shield wall or etc
tribal wharf
last i was playing spell block has capability to absorb 100% dmg
so i guess thats if its just a small or medium fire ball, must be spill over dmg if its big fire ball
brave sapphire
Just tanked my first +14 rookery and was wondering why the step up from +13 was so crazy. Then i checked Details. 
daring narwhal
if you didn't die, might be worth it x)
small steeple
Just tanked my first +14 rookery and was wondering why the step up from +13 was ...
how to subtly throw so much even you don't know
brave sapphire
if you didn't die, might be worth it x)
Last room i died twice. Before it was just an omegastruggle.
gentle acorn
I've noticed on my sims that signet sims really low compared to some other options(tome has eluded me....) is it really that bad, or is it more of a case of sims just not using it correctly? i know arcane mages have the same issue with it versus some other trinkets where it sims low but in reality is really worth it
gentle acorn
So for tomorrow, what should I get with the first chip? I already have a mythic ...
pacemaker imo
old flame
Mmmk guess I need a pile of 12s 
frosty mango
Do we know if the dinar 12 key req is account wide or per char?
Do I gotta farm 12s on all my alts too?
rain light
per char for now
sharp gale
I've noticed on my sims that signet sims really low compared to some other optio...
it's a 2min trinket and we are a 45-1min30 CDs spec
clever heart
Hey prot friends. For M+ Colossus build, do I try to only use Demolish when I have around 10 Stacks of Colossal might ?
OR just use it early for damge & to put it on cd ?
sinful copper
Hey prot friends. For M+ Colossus build, do I try to only use Demolish when I ha...
Use it on CD, preferably with demo shout and avatar
clever heart
Use it on CD, preferably with demo shout and avatar
ty ❤️ !
mighty valley
after the first one, it should have max stacks by the time the CD is up anyway
clever heart
after the first one, it should have max stacks by the time the CD is up anyway
that makese sense
Another question, I am just starting to play this season. I only care about M+ performance & will NOT be mythic raiding.
How should I spend my three Dinar ?
The wowhead tier list has alot of "only if Myth Track" notes.
So If I never plan to unlock the myth track, do I just skip those ones and go straight to # 6 + 7 ?
Also, is a Motlen Knuckles w/ its effect @ Heroic item lvl (665) better than Crafted 1 hand crafted weapon @ (675)
mighty valley
I don’t think so, 10ilvls is a lot and it’s single target only
lucid mica
Really bomb suit hero > mud myth?
clever heart
I don’t think so, 10ilvls is a lot and it’s single target only
Ty ❤️
oblique quarry
Really bomb suit hero > mud myth?
Bomb suit does have primary and the use is super strong but I don’t think you can go wrong
clever heart
for M+ do u guys prefer nerubian embelishment / Dawn thread / or Elemental Focusing ?
worn basalt
Really bomb suit hero > mud myth?
Bomb suit gives DR, mud doesnt
forest harness
stoic pilot
Lot of yellow mobs in your pull and you ended up shield walling at 30% instead of higher and you didn't kite off your mean mug stacks
You aren't living that pull if the patrons don't die instantly, you need to drop the stacks OR you need to use your cds a bit better
Less patrons in the pull or a bit better management of handling them, I don't think a healer can actually full on heal you through 11 stacks while also dealing with 2 muscles
My 2¢ of a short gloss over though.
next pasture
i feel like last time i lept away to drop stacks i insta died, or was i just unlucky?
stoic pilot
You have to remember just because you leap away doesn't mean the dot that is quite literally nuking you stops doing damage
next pasture
also... yellow mob means what?
stoic pilot
Sorry the neutrals, the patrons in the first room
The neutrals are more dangerous for us than anything else in that room
Around 6-8 stacks is where you start absolutely rotting, 11 is diabolical
When mean mug gets closer to falling off, shockwave the pack and leap out
next pasture
is that the neutrals that apply that?
stoic pilot
Yes
Imo downsize the patrons in first pull, and then consistently pull some with chewie
stoic pilot
They're all venture co patrons, the ones that are over indulged casted their buff to drink their brew
next pasture
stoic pilot
The first ability on MDT is what turns them into Over Indulged Patrons
But anyways the point stands, in that first room you need to pull the neutral mobs a bit more conservatively and you'll live fine
Either more conservative and chain more of them into chewie, or manage the debuff a bit more
Or go dwarf and laugh
3 options
vital vale
Another question, I am just starting to play this season. I only care about M+ p...
why bomb suit myth track not worth?
is myth more dinar costly?
keen vine
is mdt for priory bugged? i always end up a little bit off %, even though my mdt route says its over 100
this is what im doing and i always end up short
sharp gale
is mdt for priory bugged? i always end up a little bit off %, even though my mdt...
The add you do with the first boss doesn’t give %
Unselect it on pull 7
keen vine
ahh i see, thanks
sharp gale
(You can grab the footman above the stairs with shaynemail+your caster pack they are free real estate)
keen vine
yea ill probably do that
midnight berry
Hey, quick question that has probably been answered more than enough times(lol), new to retail tanking. Which build is better/easier 0-5 m+ keys? Colossus seems good, just curious.
jagged gust
Either will have an easy time, but MT generally is more forgiving
Generates more rage, so it's harder to rage starve yourself into bad situations
Plus it's good for generating snap aggro when pulling packs, you can really spam thunderclap and thunderblast and mobs will stick to you like glue
midnight berry
thanks! Imma take a look at MT
dusk bramble
Do we have a priority order for Dinars as Prot?
lone current
Does anyone know if the rend from thunderclap has smart targeting? or will it just target 5 nearest/5 random enemies for the rend application
ionic fern
Do we have a priority order for Dinars as Prot?
Not really. Depends what you already have and what you don't. Jastor's,Titan of Industry,House of Cards,pacemaker just to name a few.
knotty idol
Not really. Depends what you already have and what you don't. Jastor's,Titan of ...
Funny way of spelling molten knuckles 💪🏻
next pasture
what key level does FBV start to win over BV? maybe when i start dropping damage talents? like i already dropped sof for DS, ravager/battering ram for BSV/thunderlord, also dropped instigate for bloodsurge
chrome falcon
I feel like buying myth track titan of industry is kinda trolling
Unless you only got the gally mythic kill off a boost
But I guess do w/e you want with your dinars if you're farming the whole raid on mythic
cerulean abyss
negligible values here but wondering if there's a value equation for avoidance roll vs socket
cerulean abyss
thanks, hadn't seen the discussion
patent scroll
Yeah, don't think there's that many meaningful avoidance mechanics this time around, maybe duds? If they even count
chrome falcon
how are duds on mythic gally for pwarr? i've got my bdk doing it while i take all the egos
north bramble
Noob here should I craft weapon or shield first?
ocean smelt
Shield
north bramble
Thank you
jagged pier
sof
frail talon
danke
tribal wharf
okay i want to get this out of the way while its fresh on my mind and first 24 hours of new doom game or i swear i will never hear the end of it from soneone here about ".... but yogi.... doom.... its your favorite"
without playing it and watching content on it
im worried that they went too much wide, with melee weapons, dragon, mech, some circle quick time event and story only, difficulty sliders for speed, aggro, damage, etc are nice
first person melee combat has basically a 50/50 chance to be total dog shit
example, hexen and some shit ps1 dark soulds company dude with a sword game that runs at 8 fps and you die to a spider you cant hit with your sword
i will likely play at some point,
but am curious to hear what you guys think on this topic, especially if you didnt get it for free and paid for it
already asking opinion of someone who did get it for free
wintry geyser
When off tanking is there any reason to maintain shield block or can I get away with revenge spamming?
ionic fern
@tribal wharf post it to a doom discord. This is a Prot warrior channel.
ionic fern
When off tanking is there any reason to maintain shield block or can I get away ...
Yes,it increases your SS damage significantly.
solid sun
So I’ve been okay hitting SB while not the active tank this whole time???
Dang I’m way better than I thought I was
ionic fern
If you follow it up with Shield Slams and have enough SB chargers for when you need to start tanking,then yes.
tribal wharf
<@452530918247235597> post it to a doom discord. This is a Prot warrior channel.
yes, and well, for like, a few years i kept getting spam pinged about it
i figured same group probably play that type of game and i would ask
wintry geyser
Ok so basically nothing changes while off tanking
tribal wharf
if wow was fun and prot warrior was still good, i'd be here talking about and playing pwar
cerulean tusk
<@452530918247235597> post it to a doom discord. This is a Prot warrior channel.
Why u attack Yogi like that? 
He always doom in here
tribal wharf
but ya, both seems to be in the dumpster
and so i dont want to play wow, let alone pwar
atm
wintry geyser
… I’m having fun with my prot warrior
tropic tangle
pwarr is fine
cerulean tusk
we are fine
tropic tangle
this is just classic yogi 'doom'er posting
ornate spire
bro, if you were on the arms or even better fury channel your rant you make a bit more sense
prot is not weak at all atm
tribal wharf
but no man, i really think wow has been a let down
and i cant really exactly say why
ornate spire
In fact is the best tank behind DH
cerulean tusk
bro, if you were on the arms or even better fury channel your rant you make a bi...
You just activated his trap card
tribal wharf
i dont take doom seriously at all
and in all truth, i suck at it
i end up having to cheat and save scum
ornate spire
it's like therapy to this guy
he feels he's talking to ppl but in fact is to a wall
tribal wharf
playing it is the therapy, cuz then i get to blow away demons
with a rocket launcher and they explode into bloody pieces
i would play wow and pwar and come here and talk about it if they are good
but they are not
this is objective facts
tropic tangle
it's like jumping in a cab, then 5 minutes in the dude starts talking chemtrails / birds aren't real / etc
cerulean tusk
In what way are protwarrior objectively evil, is what I am wondering.
tribal wharf
bad
not evil
just, underperforming,
you know like a tuna and peanut butter and sour cream and pickle sandwhich?
yum yum
solid sun
How are they underperforming
tropic tangle
engaging in that conversation with yogi could be classified as eldritch horror in that it will drive you mad
cerulean tusk
When you look upon the truth, it for sure will drive you mad and insane, as your reality and everything you thought was real unravels.
small steeple
just, underperforming,
tribal wharf
i have no idea what that image is supposed to be
i dunno wtf to say, when, if, wow is good again, maybe i'll be back
i'll ask some other discord about doom, i didnt want to go to the official doom discord, cuz i figured they might still be in honeymoon mode for the game
warm plinth
engaging in that conversation with yogi could be classified as eldritch horror i...
I didn't know you could engage in conversation with yogi. He's generally talking to himself even if you think you're involved in the conversation
tropic tangle
very true
tribal wharf
well im talking to you guys now
ask why im not talking about wow, doom instead
cuz wow just aint it for me,
patent scroll
i will likely play at some point,
but am curious to hear what you guys think on ...
Who the fuck buys vidya without waiting for at least a few weeks and looking at real reviews? 
wintry geyser
Who the fuck buys vidya without waiting for at least a few weeks and looking at ...
Suckers
tribal wharf
if you want a real answer from me
your gunna get exactly that
i dont mince words
generally
i think something sucks i say it sucks
warm plinth
Who the fuck buys vidya without waiting for at least a few weeks and looking at ...
Some people are still out there pre-ordering games. Crazy shit!
tribal wharf
never pre-order and never pay more than 40$ for a video game
(unless its insanely good like probably doom or elder scrolls remaster)
inner belfry
Who pays for single player games? 🏴☠️
small steeple
Who pays for single player games? 🏴☠️
sharp gale
first person melee combat has basically a 50/50 chance to be total dog shit
Almost 80/20
small steeple
Almost 80/20
Which is the 80? Shit or good?
sharp gale
Shit
tribal wharf
sharp gale
After playing a lot, they are for the most doggo gameplay wise
tribal wharf
@sharp gale 100% has not played hexen
dont play as barb on hardest skill tho
hexen is it done basically perfect minus the maze shit
sharp gale
Wtf is hexen
tropic tangle
old ass fps
sharp gale
Im not that old
tribal wharf
heres why dont play as barb on max skill..............
this is technically lvl 1 btw, after the tutorial
sharp gale
The last rpg fps I played was avowed I think, i really liked the gameplay but I played a mage with a gun
harsh trellis
I think the last rpg fps I played was CoD Black Ops II
We had wall running it was fun
sharp gale
Oh gosh, melee combat in first person games didn’t change since that
tribal wharf
the mage is one of the better classes to pick in this game, as his starting weapon never needs reloading frames, and it peirces multiple targets per hit, and it moves at border line hit scan speeds and it always hits fairly accurately
but hes got shit for armor and speed and bad bombs to compenstate for his insane magic
its not so unbearable once you have the throwing exploding hammer (rocket launcher) for barb
cleric class is uterly broken in all regards except stats, all weapons are good for him all items
sharp gale
But is it normal you get one shoted if you get touched ? It’s like a bullet hell?
tribal wharf
its just uh, classicly hard
if you put it on that skill everything moves fast, hits hard
sharp gale
Oh Disney lion king hard
tribal wharf
on easy mode that game isnt nearly as hard
1/3rd the enemies, less of the harder ones and everything hits way less, you deal more dmg to them
sharp gale
Im thinking which camera angle I like the most for melee combat, I’m siding with the tps close on right shoulder idk what it is called
sharp gale
Last god of war was on psp and ps2, I don’t remember the angle, but I think it’s a new standard, I’m playing Conan rn it has this camera
Blight survival is the best example maybe
tribal wharf
yeah, i had rough idea of what you meant
its just, i dunno, you have to make the melee combat good
if melee combat is the meal, and its ass in anyway the entire thing is ruined imo
with a gun, its different, you have ranged advantage to stop and think about things
inner belfry
I think the last rpg fps I played was CoD Black Ops II
BO 2 didn't have wall running, that was BO 3
compact oriole
So first dinar should we go for pacemaker/book or bomb suit?
tribal wharf
i did infact play cod games for the cinematic stories
on fucking par with
or better
than netflix movie
cod 4, bo1 bo2, mw2 mw3, ghosts
and i played every single one of those SP on hard
small steeple
and i played every single one of those SP on hard
Not vet? Weakling
tribal wharf
bf3, bf4 stories and co op i played
whatever skill 4 was
i couldnt actualyl finish the plane on cod4
but i did "beat the game"
small steeple
Plane? Ngl it’s been so long I don’t even know what part that is
tribal wharf
i bitched out on that mission and lost the save file or somethin
i couldnt do it on veteran
for whatever reason
harsh trellis
BO 2 didn't have wall running, that was BO 3
Nope, black ops 2
tribal wharf
source i didnt make it the fuck up
harsh trellis
all you needed to do was just run up aside it
small steeple
The old cod games were really hard on vet. I still have flashbacks to the grenade spam of world at war
small steeple
Nope, black ops 2
No, that was bo3
tribal wharf
the cod AI is insane man
jagged pier
The old cod games were really hard on vet. I still have flashbacks to the grenad...
they were fine, halo 2 on legendary was where the difficulty was at
harsh trellis
No, that was bo3
Go play Hijacked multiplayer map and tell me you cant wall run across the gap
tribal wharf
halo 3 was better sorry
harsh trellis
then come back and say hey I am wrong
small steeple
they were fine, halo 2 on legendary was where the difficulty was at
High charity… screams in childhood nightmare
tribal wharf
this shit was fucking INSANE yo
tribal wharf
jagged pier
High charity… screams in childhood nightmare
any mission on halo2. i think it took longer for me to do halo2 than cod 4, WaW, MW2 and black ops on verteran combined, and i spent 4 hours to do the first checkpoint of blowtorch and corkscrew in WaW
tribal wharf
i did this as co op with friend
small steeple
Im tellin ya, you can wall run in Black ops 2 on those maps
Hijack? The tiny yacht map? Bro that wasn’t a thing
Hijack was also in Black ops 3
So maybe that’s the confusion
tribal wharf
halo 3 is way way way way more insanely better than halo 2 and its not even close
small steeple
Hot take, I liked reach
small steeple
any mission on halo2. i think it took longer for me to do halo2 than cod 4, WaW,...
That’s the seaplane mission right? That one was fun…
jagged pier
That’s the seaplane mission right? That one was fun…
nope thats the campaign mission where u got to run up the hill at the start
u have a flamethrower
urban portal
Im tellin ya, you can wall run in Black ops 2 on those maps
I literally have blops2 installed
tribal wharf
honestly halo 3 took it over the edge for me
urban portal
There’s no wall running
small steeple
nope thats the campaign mission where u got to run up the hill at the start
Oh that one! God that was like mission 2 or 3. I think there was a ray gun Easter egg there
jagged pier
Oh that one! God that was like mission 2 or 3. I think there was a ray gun Easte...
nope later on
tribal wharf
waw i didnt play it
small steeple
nope later on
Oh that one, the one where you spawn with the flamethrower
tribal wharf
but i absolutely love the character of reznov in black ops
something something stiener, all these men must DIE
small steeple
but i absolutely love the character of reznov in black ops
Well reznov is the Russian campaign squad leader npc
tribal wharf
MY NAME IS VICTOR REZNOV AND I WILL HAVE MY REVENGEEE!!!
tribal wharf
black ops 2 story was good too
with the sleeper cells about to be activated all over the world poision everyone
small steeple
I just remember that one being a fever dream to my 12 year old self and only playing it once
tribal wharf
TELL US WHAT THE NUMBERS MEAN MASON STOP FUCKING WITH US WE ARE ON THE BRINK OF NUCLEAR WAR
that game was, perfect in my eyes
tribal wharf
VORKUTA!!! I REMEMBER!!!
solid sun
What’s everyone’s first dinnar purchase gonna be today. What’s everyone looking at for a boost
I’m probs going myth tome
small steeple
Uh honestly no clue. I could get mythic tome but not sure really
solid sun
I’m expecting a lot of myth house of cards from our raider friends who haven’t snagged it yet
Maybe Jastor
harsh trellis
Hijack was also in Black ops 3
Hey you know what, fair play. Black ops 3. I was wrong on that. It was skyjacked.
solid sun
I wish I could myth raid at least a few bosses
frosty mango
Pug them
solid sun
Ha
solid sun
Cause he hurts fr fr
frosty mango
Heroic gally is worse than mythic rik
IMO
Just taunt swap around 6 stacks and start running cds around 4, you’ll be fine
If you die blame the healers, ezpz
solid sun
lol
undone beacon
Second will be mythic rik neck
Pretty sure Rik Neck isn’t an option
Not to disappoint
frosty mango
Well that’s poop
undone beacon
The only jewelry you can buy is Jastor for some reason
Cuz blizz is full of hatred
Not even roulette wheel
solid sun
Wait really?
sharp gale
You can’t block rik « melees » that’s why you take damage
solid sun
I thought mythic raiders had access to the full gambit of raid loot
undone beacon
No, mythic raiders can buy weapons, trinkets, and “very rare” items like jetpack or jastors
solid sun
Intredasting
undone beacon
M+ can only buy M+ trinks
solid sun
Why can’t we buy tier
undone beacon
Don’t ask me lol
sharp gale
Bc any chest is a tier piece
solid sun
I’d love to upgrade some hero track tier to myth track tier :(
sharp gale
Any legs is your tier legs
solid sun
Yeah but since I don’t raid M I can only buy dungeon trinkets
Which means I’ll use only one dinnar
Would be nice to use future dinnars on tier
sharp gale
Bad luck in vaults huh ?
solid sun
Yeah
lusty grotto
🗞️
undone beacon
GASP
solid sun
I got sucked into the V Rising update and only did dungeons on the war
lusty grotto
friday was a shitfest, but after that it was fine
solid sun
Did you kill some streamers
lusty grotto
nah i didnt actually pvp
solid sun
I tuned into Pikaboo getting owned briefly
lusty grotto
i saw it was kinda bad
solid sun
Wouldn’t surprise me
lusty grotto
obligatory worm vid
anyway im sure pvp will get fixed somehow, since its a core part of the game at endgame but we'll see
im not against the knife meta etc
dull shoal
What we dinaring this week gang?
lusty grotto
personally? nothing
until i kill 1ab
otherwise jastor, trinkets, thats it if youre not a mythic raider
undone beacon
Its a bad luck protection system so, whatever you've been unlucky enough to not get
lusty grotto
pash is correct
solid sun
I usually go to ready, check, pull to check out boss videos for heroic. What resource should I use if I wanted to potentially attempt pugging mythic bosses
small steeple
Hey you know what, fair play. Black ops 3. I was wrong on that. It was skyjacked...
👍
@lusty grotto did nim lose his tomebearer status?
lusty grotto
i changed it last week
small steeple
ah, haven't looked in here much last week or 2, finals can be a bitch
undone beacon
I usually go to ready, check, pull to check out boss videos for heroic. What res...
my GM makes us watch the vids by Stankie Gaming which I don't hate but I don't love either
undone beacon
we're all tomebearers this week, 🙂
when we're all tomebearers, none of us are tomebearers fr fr ong no cap
unborn island
I'm probably gonna take a HC Bombsuit, have m Tome already, and kinda lacking a proper defensive option now I'm into +16s, which I imagine is 18s from next week
I think Bombsuit HC is better than M mud?
undone beacon
Feels bad to buy a hero piece but yeah thats what I would do in your shoes
lusty grotto
if you had both in the vault i'd say grab hero bomb suit
but with dinars being limited, i dont think it'd be the best idea
however if youre looking to buy one of those and not already have a myth mud...
i would still say bomb suit
undone beacon
simply buy
hero jetpack
for the MOG
lusty grotto
lol
fair beacon
question: the wowhead guide places mythic seaforium charge above mythic tome when spending dinars, should I?
strong forum
pacemaker has larger application
harsh trellis
my GM makes us watch the vids by Stankie Gaming which I don't hate but I don't l...
that sucks. I hate the voice on those videos
unborn island
but with dinars being limited, i dont think it'd be the best idea
Yeah I mean I'm never stepping foot into a mythic raid, I can hold off on m pacemaker until the next dinar is available, but for shit like dailcry 16+ I think it'd be nice to have another defensive. Know it's doable without it, but just...nice to have huh 🙂
lusty grotto
no i meant
heroic bomb suit over myth mud
if youre picking between the two and you dont have one already
hero bomb suit all the way
unborn island
Ah fair enough, gotcha!
lusty grotto
if you already have a myth mud, that changes
unborn island
And yes, that's the situation I'm in
If I had a mythic mud I'd take a pacemaker first I think
lusty grotto
go myth pace honestly
if you already have a myth mud tbh
i think the tl;dr is
dont buy a myth mud
unborn island
XD
lusty grotto
buy a hero bomb suit instead
(dont buy hero bomb suit if you grabbed a myth mud from vault)
unborn island
I mean, who would want to send some currency to buy...mud
lusty grotto
FS VDHs
unborn island
I mean, it just sounds bad
fair beacon
say I have hero bombsuit, is myth mud worth taking over it?
unborn island
"What did you buy with your hard earned currency"
"Some mud"
Said no hard working person ever
lusty grotto
say I have hero bombsuit, is myth mud worth taking over it?
no
fair beacon
so ... use dinars to get both the tome and pacemaker?
lusty grotto
if you dont raid, sure
fair beacon
I do, but only managed to pug 3 mythic so far
unborn island
That is what I would do if I had neither in M and already had a heroic Bombsuit.
fair beacon
also all my trinkets are hero track: bombsuit, tome, pacemaker, kezan, and scrapfield for some reason 😄
lusty grotto
pacemaker #1, then tome in your case
fair beacon
doubt imma go beyond the 3rd maybe 4th myth boss, and the trinkets up to there are meh
toxic pewter
why servers down so long is there even anything new coming today lmao
fair beacon
jastor? hero jastor? over possible craft or myth ring?
lusty grotto
thats why i say debateable
really depends on sims
but at that point you can just grab anything
oblique quarry
are crests uncapped/dinnars today??
lusty grotto
yes
toxic pewter
why pvp not uncapping today apparently
fair beacon
I gotta farm 800 crests (10 myth slots to upgrade twice, a whole new dinar trinket, 4 fully crafted new items) 😄
toxic pewter
wait do these dinar things cost crests
all of this so convoluted no clue how it al lworks
fair beacon
not a clue, europe server so imma see tomorrow
lusty grotto
you need 3 for 1 item
lusty grotto
its 3 per item, otherwise same deal as DF dinars
well
its a mix between DF and SL dinars cause you need kill credit for myth bosses
trinkets apb
fair beacon
its 3 per item, otherwise same deal as DF dinars
Ah Dragonflight dinars ... I want my Mythic Fyrakk Trinkets 😦
lusty grotto
everyone has a myth or crafted shield at this point
toxic pewter
yea
lusty grotto
Ah Dragonflight dinars ... I want my Mythic Fyrakk Trinkets 😦
bad buys
myth treemouth better
fair beacon
had it
lusty grotto
then fyraak trinkets werent worth shit
fair beacon
still ... more fun, also logs 🙂
lusty grotto
no
none of those
anvil wasnt from fyrakk
cataclysmic signet wasnt from fyrakk
fyrakk gave you nothing for logs
dreadplates wasnt from fyrakk
fair beacon
I have anvil PTSD, always lost it to someone with like 1-2 rolls above me, then one time I rolled 100 and was happy ... someone else also rolled 100 and the system gave it to him. Swore I would never use it 😄
lusty grotto
the only thing we wanted from fyrakk was gholak
fair beacon
other day got it in a mog run, deleted it, didnt even vendor 😄
btw I got a pvp question: previously when dragon charge and heroic leap were separated, when you picked up a flag the heroic leap had full function, but the dragon charge was heavily weighed down and went forward a very little distance. Now that it replaces heroic leap, does it at least maintain full function when you pick a flag or just a dead ability now?
fair beacon
asked a pvp question there once, was laughed off as "who plays prot pvp" 😄
lusty grotto
they are right
fair beacon
😐