I mean you can skip the 2nd mini boss but skipping 2 mini bosses is pretty awkward to pick up the percent efficiently unless you're a DH
#protection
chilly brook
nocturne spindle
its easy it drops one each week
warm plinth
Ahahaha
warm plinth
I ran BT with a friend back in like, Legion? Ran it a few weeks in a row, got the same glaive all 3 weeks
warm plinth
Literally the hottest take ever stated in a WoW discord
chilly brook
Literally the hottest take ever stated in a WoW discord
frosty mango
They should let us talent racials
warm plinth
👀
frosty mango
Player agency right?
frosty mango
iPhone dislike
chilly brook
Would be nice
warm plinth
chilly brook
honestly
dusky canopy
Thou shall not sin!!
frosty mango
Aren’t they account bound?
round pendant
Soulbound
frosty mango
Well that’s sad
frosty mango
I have been sitting in this surgical waiting room for six hours and you’d think they would have more comfortable chairs
frosty mango
If I have to sit here much longer they’re gonna be doing surgery on me too
To get me out of this damn chair
chilly brook
my exciting thing is going and touching grass all day tomorrow
frosty mango
my exciting thing is going and touching grass all day tomorrow
Just have kids, they force you out of the house every day
chilly brook
My dad would love that
warm plinth
my exciting thing is going and touching grass all day tomorrow
My exciting thing is I just bought a new cue!
chilly brook
A cue?
warm plinth
No, a pool cue XD
chilly brook
had a feeling it would be pool
warm plinth
big sad
chilly brook
but didn't want to be wrong
frosty mango
I had a lacrosse stick in high school
That was kinda like a pool queue
Except it was titanium and it didn’t break when I hit people with it
warm plinth
Would you like to see it? I don't have it yet (ordered today) but it's beautiful
chilly brook
of course
frosty mango
Obviously we want to share the joy that is your new cue
chilly brook
show me your wood cue
chilly brook
We're waiting for him to show his wood
chilly brook
none
lusty grotto
nice
chilly brook
don't think I have any either
frosty mango
He gaslit us
chilly brook
he got shy
frosty mango
He asked if we wanted to see his wood then ghosted
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
yogi dont gaslit about send wood pics
spiderman too
ya if i can source a replacement socket and guy to do it, ill have it repaired, probably just get a better board anyways
frosty mango
That’s a swanky stick
mighty valley
damn i've never seen modern fancy pool cues lmao
warm plinth
Closest they had to match my MPF role color
warm plinth
I can be good at pool
My issue is my consistency, which could be helped if I played more than one day a week
frosty mango
Ok I was just checking because my daughter wanted a new violin and I said “you can’t play the violin” and she said “that’s why I need a new one” and I told her it didn’t work like that but she didn’t believe me
warm plinth
I was very good about 14-15 years ago because my work had pool tables in the break room
lmao, she almost got you!
frosty mango
She bought her own violin
warm plinth
Does she play?
frosty mango
No
warm plinth
Man,I was hoping for a happy ending
warm plinth
I suppose that's fair haha
frosty mango
Because now she has a violin and she doesn’t have 100 dollars
I told her I’d pay for lessons if she took the time to learn the basics but alas it is still in the case in her room
warm plinth
sadge
I played viola in orchestra class, but we moved a lot (army brat), so that was only one year
I can still play twinkle twinkle little star though
frosty mango
She’s got a uke and a piano
The piano is in my office and much to my concentrations disappointment she does play that
mighty valley
i regret constantly that i was kind of a brat about musical instruments as a kid
now i have a toddler so... we'll see if she does any better
frail ibex
Is thane more tanky then colossus?
cause I am trying it for the first time
and I feel like my health doesnt move
where as on colossus
it moves alot
strong forum
its a differnet kind of tanky
thane is more rage
colossus has better block
and bigger IP
inner belfry
Aug is goated
frosty mango
Aug is goated
Spoken like a man with lots of holes in his fingers
warm plinth
tribal wharf
i had this disgusting board state in mtg the other day
1 red mana for 2 dmg turns into 5 x4 for otk
sharp gale
Put all your money on red
tribal wharf
maybe it was only 15 dmg, the guy effect is non combat doubled and enchant is sources +1 dmg
but he instantly quit on second one
and i would have tectonic'd him right after anwyays same as shock but u can cast it for 5 to make it do 4
i got skill issued on mmx4 as zero trying to do the boss rush
lofty warren
next pasture
i actually got invited by some miracle, to a random +16 theater, a host who had never done a 16 yet, and we actually one shot it even with 3 deaths, incredible
the hack is to find havoc dps trying to host their own keys, chances are they won't invite a VDH 😎
frosty mango
I tried desperately to get into a 15 top and was denied like 60 times before I gave up
tribal wharf
lofty warren
I tried desperately to get into a 15 top and was denied like 60 times before I g...
Should be purple. Tier list says so
hot wave
what's the deal with demolish in dungeons? watching yoda's VODs he seems to be holding it for long periods of time sometimes
warm plinth
jagged gust
Just Yoda things
hot wave
so no real reason to hold it ever outside of obvious damage amps and shit?
jagged gust
Unless you fumbled your defensives and really need the DR
hot wave
and the cc immunity part i guess
wintry wagon
alright what do i sim to tell what i need to be jesus christ in keys big pumps and dump
without any into the fray my accessories are all 665 etc besides circlet. cloak boots 1h and wrist crafted already
frosty mango
Ideally you’d sim yourself
If you sim someone else I don’t think that will help your dps
But more realistically you can sim 1 target 4 mins for boss dps and 5 target 2 mins for burst dps
Dungeon slice is kinda ok? I usually sim the two above though and derive my choices based on both
lucid mica
Is dungeon slice supported for prot?
lucid mica
Are shield charge casts in warcraftlogs bugged?
Nvm they have to be, im comparing my casts vs bobas or sense's casts in the same dungeon and i see they press IP and TC so much, but revenge less so does it turn to more IP and use tc to gamble SS reset and fill rotation? I think i use so much revenge and its not realistic for the next key levels
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L9X7GzaWnAVtD263?fight=last&source=4&type=casts
pallid quiver
what's the deal with demolish in dungeons? watching yoda's VODs he seems to be h...
I wager part of it is also knee jerk wanting to take advantage of the benefits of having more stacks or to try and get more damage at the start of packs, but it ends up being more damage lost over time. I'd have to actually look to try and see if there's a valid reason or not
pallid quiver
Are shield charge casts in warcraftlogs bugged?
Yeah, it only records ranged casts of Shield Charge
Any casts in melee rage are not counted
It used to record both the aoe wave and the initial hit as separate casts, but it's now only tracking the ranged cast
tribal wharf
what sheild charges should be
would be cool if it was more dmg for running longer distance with it, but that would lead to oh, the banner and reprisal problems (shadowlands things)
i think what i hated about banner is it didnt affect your team nearly enough, and your could just fake it with a spell "transmog"
reprisal was fine but boring for a really good effect, needlessly complicated. hard to say how you can even go about fixing warrior class, seems to be problem in every video games
great in theory, dies to everything with ranged attacks in practice
inner belfry
What should i drop for Disrupting Shout?
mighty valley
show of force usually
round pendant
The amount of pug runs I've saved because of disrupting shout since I switched to it is insane
I wish it was just baseline tbh
Or better yet, make it a separate ability
frail ibex
Man....
Bad dps should be banned from doing anything above a 10
So sick of losing 15+ keys because a dps cant do more then a mil
That was waxbeard in a 14 dfc
The boss lasted 3:45
So tiring
chilly brook
It’s already out?
lusty grotto
beta weekend
servers are giga full though
and getting a key is a pain in the ass
i cant play atm, did the char creation and prologue and got booted, so im hoping it gets fixed tomorrow
sinful copper
does something in cinderbrew do decreased max hp?
is it the mean mugs from patrons?
mild river
Bad dps should be banned from doing anything above a 10
I use an addon called global ignore list and put bad players in that list as well. At least I can prevent to play with them in the future
scenic flower
Hey, is there an option between Brutal Vitality and Fueled by violence that is objectively stronger than the other? I'm thinking of trying out Fueled by violence, just wanted to check what you guys think
ionic fern
BV is generally preferred,especially as Colossus due to it casting less IPs,but dealing more damage.
copper lava
I love being right in front of the candle boss in dfc and he reads it as I am too far out of range even tho im literally hitting him with abilities 🤪
unborn island
Yeah I've taken to more or less standing in his hitbox after having a melee get gibbed when I was doing it on like 10 or something
unborn island
the hack is to find havoc dps trying to host their own keys, chances are they wo...
This is a great tip
mighty valley
it’s literally impossible for prot warrior to do a 7
frosty mango
does something in cinderbrew do decreased max hp?
I don’t think so?
How decreased are you talking
round pendant
I've gotten one of those + right binding on one char
and left binding on another char
if only it was all on one char and I'd never have to do mc again
round pendant
it’s literally impossible for prot warrior to do a 7
yeah I should reroll vdh ig
dusky canopy
I know the pain
started the grind in 2010 during cata
just got garr binding this week
🙂
round pendant
That Preach video sucked
"openers are too complex"
til "use your builders and then your spenders" is too complex
mighty valley
don’t know how anyone can stand listening to preach for more than five seconds
cerulean tusk
He litteraly showed to how some openers are too complex, pointing to DH opener as his example being 12 steps long. Then you got openers that change based on procs, talents, situations and so on.
If you do not play a ton of WoW, that is overwhelming, this is true - and it is from their point of view 100% too complex.
Remember, most gamers play things like league, where there are 4 buttons.
I dont even want to know how long it took before my brain adjusted to WoW style gameplay.
patent scroll
Didn't watch the video, but he's probably right
And most of the issue stems from the fact that the game doesn't teach anything, the content is too easy and doesn't demand enough until very suddenly it does (raiding/M+)
round pendant
You don't need optimal openers or rotations in heroic or even 12s and below
There's literally zero reason why you should be turned off the game because the opener seems too complex for you
just play the game, learn the basics of your class and then optimise from there
Fundamentally none of the openers are insurmountable
dh is probably one of the worst cases sure but it basically boils down to press your buttons
People's problem is their obsession with playing optimally week 1
round pendant
And most of the issue stems from the fact that the game doesn't teach anything, ...
That's true tho, but if you advocate for making shit harder you'll get called an elitist 😔
frosty mango
I think a lot of people (and a lot of class discords) forget that skill is a spectrum
It’s not like you either do it perfect or you’re shit
Having an optimal opener that’s 12 buttons long isn’t a problem if you accept that you’ll need to work to play it optimally and you can intuit that
That problem is when the game is designed in a way that optimal is unintuitive
round pendant
Well the issue is if you want the game to have depth then you can't just railroad a specific rotation by design (like FF14 does) because then it just feels samey
the complexity emerges from trying to avoid that I think
frosty mango
Like on arms in m+ build there are times when you will press cleave on single target - that’s optimal, but it’s not intuitive
frosty mango
the complexity emerges from trying to avoid that I think
Agree
round cliff
Like on arms in m+ build there are times when you will press cleave on single ta...
wtf i hate that
frosty mango
No system is perfect and having played both games at a high level I’ll gladly take the wow system over ff
A lot of things ff does right but I think it’s a good case study on what homogenization in the name of balance does to a game
round pendant
Also wow specs are already kinda simplified from how they used to be from what I've heard
I didn't play between legion and df so idk
frosty mango
A lot of them are yeah
round cliff
a lot of them aren't, as well
frosty mango
But imo people have rose colored glasses
If you take the game at its most complex (probably mop/legion era) I really don’t think it’s that much different than now
And you have to consider that the game is much more mechanically complex now
round pendant
I think there's a nice balance of simple and complex specs rn
frosty mango
Even lfr raids now are vastly more complex then like a classic wow raid
covert helm
Also wow specs are already kinda simplified from how they used to be from what I...
Some of the more "infamous" ones like arcane mage have for sure, but in the grand scheme of things I don't think things have changed that much
round cliff
ppl be like "i want legion class design back" ok bitch. fury has to press furious slash again
round pendant
ig it sucks if your fantasy is too sweaty for you tho (like outlaw for me) 
round cliff
ENJOY
covert helm
Mw and ww at least
WW isn't that complex unless you really want to understand how it works
frosty mango
WW isn't that complex unless you really want to understand how it works
So that would mean it is complex?
patent scroll
MW is complex only because blizzard has decided that every effect needs to have 20 different effects and it becomes a completely unintuitive mess
round pendant
Guides really need a disclaimer at the start that emphasizes the fact that it's not necessary to play 1:1 with the rotations to do well and that everyone regularly fucks it up and still parses good
frosty mango
MW is complex only because blizzard has decided that every effect needs to have ...
Yes exactly lol
covert helm
So that would mean it is complex?
Conduit for example has depth to it, but only in theory really - gameplay wise it's just don't activate conduit when you have yu'lon buff
frosty mango
Optimal vs intuitive
covert helm
I wouldn't consider smth complex if like 90% of the info is irrelevant for you to know
frosty mango
Intuitive is good design but complexity begets less intuitiveness so how does blizz solve that
By trying to strike a decent balance between the two and in a vaccum we might bitch but when we examine MMOs as a whole I think they’re doing ok
Better than ok
round pendant
There's very few classes where making the suboptimal decision just fucks your performance instantly
frosty mango
There's very few classes where making the suboptimal decision just fucks your pe...
Like shadow priest if you send crash on a single then the tank immediately pulls 4 more packs
round pendant
I think as long as you don't get overly punished for not playing at 100% efficiency then it's fine if the top-end is complex and isn't easy to learn
frosty mango
I agree, I think that’s really the core of skill expression
patent scroll
But MW also has the issue that the complexity has fully evolved into degeneracy and you have a build that can do well enough with literally disabled raid frames
Like if you didn't need to dispell or throw externals, you could do all of mythic raid with no frames, and be within a few % of the optimal
frosty mango
Is optimal in this case max hps
patent scroll
Yeah, because you do lose spothealing (and the dispells/externals)
frosty mango
Or no one dies
That’s super duper not true
Mw meta is rushing wind kick and it does millions more than the fistweave chiji brain off build
But it also requires like omega cognitive load
This is why I play tank, no think required
Only zug
round pendant
I agree, I think that’s really the core of skill expression
Yeah exactly. That's why I don't like people complaining about the complexity from the perspective of beginners or casuals (not a slur). All it has the potential to achieve is crush the skill ceiling and ruin the game for people who enjoy that part of the game, when those beginner players can already perform well enough for the content they're doing by just.. playing the game
The game has a HUGE onboarding issue though
the levelling experience is trash
It teaches you nothing about your abilities or interactions as you get them
patent scroll
Except that's not really true, if you check rankings it's basically mixed within the top 10 already (on most bosses, some do absolutely favor Yulon)
Yulon does have the higher top end though, but that's also basically meaningless for the average player
frosty mango
The fistweave builds with high parses are solo healing
round pendant
“Enjoy forced story on rails for 50 hours”
I like the story (only played up to ShB tho) so I didn't mind it
just treated it like a singleplayer game
but at least you don't just get shoved to max level without knowing how your char works
patent scroll
The fistweave builds with high parses are solo healing
I mean that goes for healers in general, the only way you really parse if by playing with bad healers or reducing healers
But stuff like the top Mugzee atm
Mans just kicking the boss
frosty mango
I agree
patent scroll
(well, they did also use EnvM as you should when it procs/during yulon but eh)
frosty mango
but I think that is why mistweaver is designed well
there are four competetive raid specs
no other spec can say that
maybe a few have two
it could definitely use some work in the noisy buff department but overall it's fun, it works, and its not difficult to get into
patent scroll
🤔 What do you count as the 3rd and 4th, they're just bound to be minor twists of Chiji/Yulon
frosty mango
fistweave chiji, rwk yulon, envm caster build, moh fist double tft
dont see many moh builds in raid but its viable and you see it now and again, especially when you need damage capability
less so now that most stuff is on farm
patent scroll
I mean yeah it's not played much because MoH doesn't really provide that much outside of damage, trying to spread the heal amp is either inconvenient or just impossible
frosty mango
yeah but you can use it to great effect for damage
patent scroll
If it was required on something like Mugzee it would've absolutely been played there though
frosty mango
gally mostly I think where heal reqs are high but running a 6th healing on prog seemed troll
not quite 6 needed but running 6 costs you alot for the remainder of the fight, so you have a healer doing a mil but still pushing 1-1.5m hps, its a good tradeoff
its viable but im not sure its optimal, but I wouldnt be like "ew why are you playing that"
wheat moat
how do i know how much of a stat i need as tank? its not like i can sim myself right
mighty valley
ilvl rules, haste is basically always good defensively, for close calls between items just sim for damage
patent scroll
You can just sim for damage and go with that, your stats themselves are kinda meaningless for defenses, outside of having enough haste to keep shield block up
frosty mango
TLDR: haste until you have enough to keep shield block up comfortably (~17k) with in the fray, then crit but it will shift, so sim
generally speaking you cant go wrong with haste > crit = mastery ~ vers but theres a lot of nuance
so just damage sim once you have your shield block uptime feeling good
mighty valley
yeah the key point is “don’t stress about stats, focus on playing well”
round pendant
only thing to care about is haste for itf
frigid valley
i keep hearing ppl say that tome isnt all that great for us, even less so in keys, i do love it on my monk and dk but sims(multi target) tells me lock n stalk is way better in multi target which just feels odd to me, is any of em simbait and differs in reality?
frosty mango
We are all tome enjoyers
round pendant
also I don't really agree with nome's decision not to have that in the default apl
frosty mango
We are not all tome havers
frigid valley
if you sim it, use the APL in pins
oh right forget that was a thing
mighty valley
tome is better in single target, others do outdamage it in aoe
but yeah make sure the sim is giving good data
vital vale
lol at outlaw's damage breakdown
mighty valley
it would probably be more helpful if the damage was credited to the abilities that are being flurried
oak ivy
it would probably be more helpful if the damage was credited to the abilities th...
like how fury's aoe shows?
frosty mango
I don’t believe you
round pendant
that's about the only similarity
man I really dunno what tank I should learn
and gear and get 3k with
Druid is basically warrior-lite
bdk is clunky and annoying
vdh is just annoying
mighty valley
like how fury's aoe shows?
yeah I guess that’s kind of similar, if most of fury’s damage was attributed to Meat Cleaver
or whatever it’s called these days
round pendant
Whirlwind
vital vale
druid is a vibe
no back shots
simple threat snapping
plenty of stops
solid buff
strong cds
round pendant
My friend's picking up resto druid so buff is meh
but yeah druid is the most tempting
round cliff
brew is epic
frosty mango
I mean from a not getting oneshot perspective it’s very forgiving
willow edge
Choosing an alt tank spec is tough
The brew mains I know swear by the spec and have basically played it since mists
frosty mango
The data isn’t on their side
shut folio
for prot, how much verse would i need to tank like 9+ keys?
round pendant
for prot, how much verse would i need to tank like 9+ keys?
stats are irrelevant
jagged gust
Could probably go like negative 40%
New m+ mode, instead of mobs scaling, we get larger and larger positive handicaps
patent scroll
If it didn't instantly combust the whole playerbase, it would be maybe interesting for a few runs
jagged gust
I think if introduced it inevitably it reverts back to affixes
dapper plaza
Very new baby prot boy here. I’ve been hearing something about a new “broken” M+ prot build? Or is that just YouTuber hyperbole non sense. Can’t seem to find anything about it in my own 😬
round pendant
where did you hear about it
pallid quiver
Very new baby prot boy here. I’ve been hearing something about a new “broken” M+...
Almost certainly some youtuber hype for minimal reason; Prot War hasn't seen significant changes since the start of S2
dapper plaza
Yeah mostly more obscure channels, don’t even remember heh. YT auto-play rabbit hole
Appreciate it
cerulean tusk
Very new baby prot boy here. I’ve been hearing something about a new “broken” M+...
They often call what has been known and used for months if not years, then call it 'new' to catch some clicks, or often even from the bigger YouTubers - they simply didnt know about it before and it is 'new' for them.
smoky lion
What are we dropping for disrupting shout?
lusty grotto
SoF if colossus
smoky lion
thank you
lusty grotto
instigate if thane
smoky lion
much appreciated
karmic stream
Should i craft belwadar bulwark or everforged one?
karmic stream
oh oke, what embelishment?
frosty mango
Griftahs embellishing powder?
The guy next to the azjol Nerub portal in dorn sells it
karmic stream
ahhh yh , tnx
round pendant
gd
is bear just squishy
or is it because I'm 614 ilvl in +2s
(I haven't died, it just feels brutal)
karmic stream
thats s1 +2 gear kek, just get some gear, at least 630+
rigid kestrel
what do i even take with the cartel dinnar if i'm 8/8m?
no clue, ngl
prob gonna say jastor, but idk, rather ask
hearty terrace
Hey is heroic Dimond ever worth it to buy ?
jagged gust
If 20k DPS matters to you, sure
thorn patio
gd
Bear is super tanky, pretty much on par with DH. Like braindead levels of feeling safe
hearty terrace
If 20k DPS matters to you, sure
Sick ta
frosty mango
Just hurts your fingers from slamming ironfur
warm plinth
Probably the only thing in WoW I'd actually bind to mouse wheel XD
hearty terrace
Just hurts your fingers from slamming ironfur
Macro it to trash? 😂😂
round pendant
Bear is super tanky, pretty much on par with DH. Like braindead levels of feelin...
It must just be my low ilvl
thorn patio
Probably. The thing I always like about bear is how the rage generation is ridiculous on the bigger pulls so you have a million ironfur stacks and just feel safe all the time.
warm plinth
Isn't IF capped now to like 7 or 8 stacks
I mean obviously you can still press it, but functionally
jagged gust
I mean with dr kinda sorta
I remember Jordan explaining it in DF, after so many stacks it's just a percent of a percent additional damage reduction
warm plinth
Hm, guess I'm misremembering. I could've sworn they capped it officially at some point
thorn patio
It definitely has diminishing returns on it but you don’t really hit that high of stacks outside of incarn ever since they target capped the rage generation on the thrash ticks last expansion
viral jackal
What trinkets do yall run in higher keys? Do you stick with the offensive ones or is it worth throwing a good defensive trinket in there for some extra breathing room to stay alive?
Mostly thinking 12+
thorn patio
I always run pacemaker and swap to ringing ritual mud for just certain keys like priory and motherlode. But I also only do that in 15+ keys
Pacemaker and tome for lower stuff
viral jackal
Yeah I gotta get heroic pacemaker
I have champ track and hero house of cards
Haven’t gotten time yet either 😦
At like 2700 rating
thorn patio
Pacemaker will be my first dinar purchase next week, on like all 5 of my tanks lol
viral jackal
Who are the best Prot war streamers that stick to warrior?
round pendant
Isn't IF capped now to like 7 or 8 stacks
Armor caps at 85% phys mit which is 5-6 stacks
mellow bridge
Who are the best Prot war streamers that stick to warrior?
Sense when he streams
Also has boss fights and some m+ runs on his YouTube
hearty terrace
Pacemaker will be my first dinar purchase next week, on like all 5 of my tanks l...
Got super lucky have it myth already
On Pala
thorn patio
That’s sick. Only myth trinket I’ve pulled is Tomes on bear and pally
lusty grotto
Who are the best Prot war streamers that stick to warrior?
also plka aside from sense
links should be in the #protection-faq nvm they got removed
gentle acorn
Very new baby prot boy here. I’ve been hearing something about a new “broken” M+...
From what I remember it’s basically just a build that takes both AoE silence and our “cheat death”, nothing as good as any hyped up video makes it out to be
jagged gust
Streamers learning that prot war has an aoe silence
fallow fern
Was going to be crafting a belt tonight but saw a video on the new belt.. anyone know if this will be better for us than crafted out of the gate?
Maybe I'll hold off crafting..
jagged gust
I was wondering why people were telling me not to put a socket in my crafted belt
Oh well, -3k dps
crude notch
Was going to be crafting a belt tonight but saw a video on the new belt.. anyone...
It starts out at 684 and is upgradeable to 700.
lusty grotto
youll also have a million sparks by the time it comes out, so crafting doesnt matter
plus uncapped crests
heady nimbus
yo
do any of you know how to change the strata of units that are casting with plater, so that if a unit starts casting its plate is brought to the fore?
waxen frigate
Who are the best Prot war streamers that stick to warrior?
Jimmy Neutron
fallow fern
youll also have a million sparks by the time it comes out, so crafting doesnt ma...
It doesn't come out this Tuesday?
fallow fern
ohh right.. for some reason I was thinking the turbo boost was 11.1.7.. ok makes sense thanks
hushed panther
so for tome...keep sword up, if it goes to armor, you just press it to switch it back to sword -- and thats it?
warm plinth
Yeppers
hushed panther
thx brotherman
vague abyss
nowadays in m+ what are we using? still colossus?
jagged pier
round cliff
why is there no bow with the revendreth aesthetic
literally stopping me from making a belf hunter
😔
sinful copper
do any of you know how to change the strata of units that are casting with plate...
That's a thing?!?!
idle copper
so for tome...keep sword up, if it goes to armor, you just press it to switch it...
There is a weak aura that gives you an alert to switch - it's easy to get it to say trinket (instead/as well as the written message)
sharp gale
Maybe I'll hold off crafting..
Isn’t the 11.1.7 end of June ?
left meteor
round pendant
While I agree with the OP
some of the responses are mind boggling
"The number of times I've had dps pull more because "that's the route" is insane."
This has literally never happened to me.
Then a guy wrote a whole dissertation about all the complaints he's received about not doing the optimal routes
Also hasn't happened to me since like S1 DF lmao
undone beacon
I called to hold a lust in ToP the other day and the mage literally said “lol no” and lusted
In a fuckin 14 too so like, I expect better
It’s rare but it happens
round pendant
Yeah I don't think it never happens
But these people are describing it as if it's a regular occurence
frosty mango
Streamer routes are not ideal routes for most people
Like not even close
Go watch sense and co do motherlode and tell me how that would go in a pug
(Spoiler alert, it wouldn’t)
I can barely get people in 15s to skip the mini boss in dfc without a lock gate I can’t fathom trying to do some of the shit top players do with randoms
patent scroll
Yeah, mostly I see those attempted when not tanking, and like one out of idk 20 runs with pugs the tank is trying to do some fucking insane pulls for the group
And then like twice an expansion there's the tool that doesn't share a route, and then invises past a pack and rest of the group is left there just 
frosty mango
I always share my route
Even if it’s standard
Because it takes 30 seconds
Having a simple tool to visualize and discuss routes and not using it is like trying to cook your food directly on the burner when there’s a perfectly good pan 3 inches away
sharp gale
This has literally never happened to me.
I don’t push a lot but it happened on my ML 13 (bc I did press W 3 peacekeeper route), where 2 dudes aggro me because they died on the first pull from the assassin / casters
round pendant
I'm fairly convinced that with the average skill level of people doing 13s
trying to skip the first 2 peacekeepers is a time loss
sharp gale
And in workshop I asked to bl somewhere on trashs after the second boss (bc we where going quick and I wanted a bl on last), and the mage was ??? So I drummed
round pendant
People can barely move out of swirlies, you think they're gonna be able to jump over a WALL?
round pendant
And in workshop I asked to bl somewhere on trashs after the second boss (bc we w...
hahaha
warm plinth
This has literally never happened to me.
Whenever someone says "the number of times I've..." when complaining about something, the number of times is usually one. Or zero.
round pendant
tbf the first time I saw someone lust on the wave thing after KUJO I was really confused
but it's actually the only good time to lust if it didn't come up during/before kujo
sharp gale
It was funny bc they ofc left the ML13, I insta join another group, and we do 13 ML + 14 ML back to back with press W / no one questioned anything
round pendant
Whenever someone says "the number of times I've..." when complaining about somet...
I wonder what causes that
People just go on the internet and.. lie?!
negativity bias ig
sharp gale
No just personal experience duffer from yours
round pendant
No just personal experience duffer from yours
No I literally do not believe this stuff happens commonly at all
And definitely not enough to rant about on reddit as if it's some trend
warm plinth
You could write a dissertation on the behavior of people in online communication
sharp gale
It happened on 2 of my 13s, I attempted 8 dungeons in 13s that’s 1/4
round pendant
Bit of a small sample size
in 6 seasons I've had someone shit on my route like 2 or 3 times
let's say I just don't remember the others, and double it
fuck it, triple it
it's still a tiny minority
sharp gale
No I literally do not believe this stuff happens commonly at all
It can happen commonly (by pure chance) on 1 dude so he write a dissertation on a forum
round pendant
Most toxicity I've experienced is on alt chars in low keys (like 2-6s)
Once you get to 12s it's literally once in a blue moon someone says anything negative at all in my experience
urban bane
Yeah but that's where most of your keys are
sharp gale
But when I do keys with more casuals they always are on comms saying wtf about my route not being optimal bc ITS A FUCKING 10 or 12, I just want to talk during the key
urban bane
So small sample size, no?
round pendant
It can happen commonly (by pure chance) on 1 dude so he write a dissertation on ...
That's fair but they get a lot of people backing them up and I simply don't buy it. I genuinely think people just have a certain perception about the community being a particular way and there's a lot of confirmation bias going on
sharp gale
(In 10s I do first pull ML = regular no skip, I take the first trashs I can grab)
round pendant
Yeah but that's where most of your keys are <:keks:936231610850897992>
D:
Pug AOTC is way more toxic than m+ imo
God it's a miserable time in there
sharp gale
I can’t say if it’s widespread, bc I interact with the just 2 casual guilds, so it’s always the same dudes (one has 2 rosters so A LOT a ppl are « wtf peacekeeper » but they don’t even have resil 12)
Oh also : I NEVER got talked bad if I don’t do the full first pull of ML (if it’s resil we try once ofc), but for the rest I think it is peer pressure by ppl watching too much YouTube
frosty mango
Once you get to 12s it's literally once in a blue moon someone says anything neg...
I get hella toxicity in 14s, 15s
I had a dude last night call me trash and some other colorful racist insults for not keeping him alive on the second boss of priory while he had 2 soak stacks that he soaked in the middle of the shield
Like ya you’re gonna die bro i dunno what to tell you
If you’re soaking stacks as an evoker in the first place that’s risky but to take two during the shield you’re gonna die and that’s your fault lol
round pendant
strange
Maybe I just give off such a positive aura no one thinks to be toxic around me
sinful copper
People can barely move out of swirlies, you think they're gonna be able to jump ...
Just do 3 person mount and stand at top
frosty mango
I try that
I try explaining that just soothe isn’t enoigh
I just bring a lock for that and workshop now
round pendant
I was on an alt in like a +4 ML and the tank did the wall skip and skipped all the packs in that area until 1st boss
I'm just chillin
some pugger starts going "tank?? count???"
and I said "it's fine"
and then we did the key
sinful copper
How do u skip the pull before first boss? Warlock gate?
round pendant
sry he didn't skip the peacekeeper
sinful copper
Oh ok
round pendant
I think to skip that you have to do a meld skip tho
also saw someone jump over the wall with leap somehow
maybe a lock can do something 🤔
sinful copper
I think warlock gate over the wall works too but never did it
solid sun
Yam
It do be out here happening
I'd say it's at least a weekly occurence if I'm pugging that I have someone pull extra for me intentionally or hit me with "???" if I'm not doing whatever route they're used to seeing/doing
frosty mango
How do u skip the pull before first boss? Warlock gate?
You jump over the wall and then someone can pull it back (hunter can pull and fd) while group runs through
sinful copper
I'd say it's at least a weekly occurence if I'm pugging that I have someone pull...
I pug very often on my warrior and I don't get too much of that at all
I just pull so quickly into next that no one has time to chat
sinful copper
Hahahaha
solid sun
idk why them so often but I've gotten to where I don't invite havoc dh's or hunters
sinful copper
I barely ever see havocs tbh
warm plinth
🙄
frosty mango
You can also soothe the prior pack and drag that pack past the boss
sense does it here, you get a pretty clean pov
unborn island
I get hella toxicity in 14s, 15s
I was told I was boosted in an 11 because I wasn't able to avoid a literal wall of adds which nobody killed in IPA
In 15s I get compliments for my add placement on that fight lol
frosty mango
Short of running the boss into the adds if they hit the boss that’s a dps problem lol
vale fossil
Hi guys, new to prot. Could not really find the answer in the guides. Looking at talents and spells it doesnt look like i can keep shield block up all the time. Is that correct? And if so how do I determine when to use it vs not use it?
sinful copper
Hi guys, new to prot. Could not really find the answer in the guides. Looking at...
How much haste do u have and do u have 4pc?
vale fossil
Not much and no. If i had good haste and 4p would it have 100% uptime??
sinful copper
U can keep shield block up almost 100%. Like 85-95% is good
unborn island
You can keep 100% uptime without any haste if you use Heavy Repercussions instead of Into the Fray
sinful copper
U take the choice node to extend shield block with shield slam instead of haste since u have low haste and no 4pc
unborn island
You'll do less overall damage, etc, but it is better, in particular if you're new to the spec.
round pendant
Especially havoc dh's
There's your problem. Rogues and DHs are the most likely to be toxic ime
I think I've played with 1 dh this entire season cause they're kinda useless
sinful copper
Lol
vale fossil
Got it. Thanks. And i suppose as gear etc improves i can move into the haste talent
sinful copper
Yes
vale fossil
Do you just drop dead without shield block? I assume its a very high prio to have up
round pendant
Got it. Thanks. And i suppose as gear etc improves i can move into the haste tal...
Yeah once you have 18k haste without or 16k with 4p you can take ITF
unborn island
You won't instadie, but you're like 3/4x squishier
sinful copper
Your healer just works harder rofl
unborn island
So yeah, not having it generally bad, and should be avoided
sinful copper
Getting 4pc is easy now anyway. Any piece of gear can get catalyzed. The new campaign stuff gives a champion piece too. And u can get friends to bring u to delves
earnest cove
In 15s I get compliments for my add placement on that fight lol
Standard Pug experience
lucid mica
Is it there a benefit from having shield block up apart from not dying? Like if im in an easy pull or towards the end of one that cant kill me do i still use rage in shield block?
ocean smelt
Bonus damage on shield slam
warm plinth
If you're going to only get a couple seconds of value at the end of a pull, it's fine to not use it
No point wasting 75% of a charge
frosty mango
I'm so good.
You’re the best at being the worst
wraith dagger
is double dawnthread the way to to go for prot warrior? i seen a lot of prot warriors run different things
sharp gale
You can only go up 👍
round pendant
I fixed it
bear is kinda fun but I wish it did damage
1m dps in a +4 brew at 626 ilvl
awful
fair beacon
Question: So I got absolutely horrid Misc Armor luck (cloak, neck, rings, trinkets). Come next week with the removal of the gilded cap, I was thinking of crafting the first four and grabbing the Tome or seaforium Trinket with the dinars. Someone though told me I might wanna consider getting the rik reverb neck (I have 3/8 Mythic Kills) with the dinars (I got Darkflame Cleft neck with zero haste atm) cause very high value gained from the haste rather than ilvl increase on trinkets that I have on 665. Any guidance?
frosty mango
I personally would go tome and then craft neck
Do you have all 12s to get myth time?
Tome
fair beacon
I do, I have all 12s on dungeons, pugged 3/8 on Mythic so far, and 4 sparks just sitting in my bank (never had enough gilded to actually put em to use)
frosty mango
The rik neck is good but also farmable, tome is probably the best choice for you imo then craft neck
fair beacon
oh god, Imma be needing A LOT of gilded to week :S
frosty mango
Ring can also be a decent crafted choice, basically anything that isn’t belt
Do you have a max ilvl shield?
fair beacon
I got belt from Cauldron and Shield from Rik Reverb
frosty mango
I’d prob go neck/ring then and dinar the tome if I were you - but you can sim every scenario and see which is the highest
chilly brook
I do, I have all 12s on dungeons, pugged 3/8 on Mythic so far, and 4 sparks just...
How did you not have enough gilded to craft?
potent imp
did Defensive stance get nerf'd. i swear i remeber it giving 20% dmg reduction not 16%
chilly brook
Like there’s no way you had so many myth track items that you couldn’t craft 3 items
👀
tender zealot
did Defensive stance get nerf'd. i swear i remeber it giving 20% dmg reduction ...
It was awhile ago
frosty mango
did Defensive stance get nerf'd. i swear i remeber it giving 20% dmg reduction ...
A very long time ago
They changed it to be 16% and not have a damage penalty
fair beacon
How did you not have enough gilded to craft?
So all the other slots aside from the six miscellaneous slots I have on myth track gear, plus had to upgrade those six slots up to 665 early on due to bad loot luck as to increase my ilvl so I can get into stuff. the combination of which went through all my gilded
chilly brook
So all the other slots aside from the six miscellaneous slots I have on myth tra...
It would have been way more beneficial to spend those crests on crafts ilvl wise
fair beacon
the whole 665 upgrade for the heroic gear really hurt my bottom line, but I had no choice after the first few weeks of horrid loot luck and getting zero invites
that and well, stupidity 😄
next pasture
why would one run crackling thunder?
chilly brook
Ilvl is meh in regards to getting invites to things
urban bane
why would one run crackling thunder?
can make for an easier time gathering
and doin pull setup
fair beacon
Ilvl is meh in regards to getting invites to things
bad luck breeds desperation, desperation breeds stupidity, and stupidity leads to wasted crests 😄
meh, its all done and over now, imma take next week easy and stick to farms
round cliff
im gonna say it
i was skeptical at first
but donkey kong's redesign is an upgrade
the old DK is iconic but the new one is simply better
dull zodiac
how is shield charge showing like 5 casts on details on a key
when i press it on cd
same on archon
whats going on with it on details?
lucid mica
how is shield charge showing like 5 casts on details on a key
Something about it only counts ranged casts or whatever, it happens in logs too
dull zodiac
Something about it only counts ranged casts or whatever, it happens in logs too
oh lol
soo
theres a bunch of our dmg not showing on details?
or its there
but just not the casts
lucid mica
I guess its there but not the casts(?)
Yeah i dont think you average 31M per shield charge
dull zodiac
lmao yea true
kindred kraken
à bit late in the season, but when do i break s1 4set?
undone beacon
pretty much asap
jagged gust
tbh I don't even remember what it did
frosty mango
Because it didn’t do anything
ashen elm
I have a general question regarding tanks and healer synergy. I know not a lot works well with Holy paladin right now, but historically, what tanks pair best with H pally's?
kindred kraken
honestly hpally works well with any tank, my hpal is 2.7k. i personally dont like dk's, but i dont like dk's on any healer. hpal has a lot of ways to deal with all tank damage intake profiles
vital pollen
So how bad am I trolling my groups if I run mountain thane in M+? I've played with Collossus a bit and the damage on big pulls seems insane, but I just think thane is more fun.
buoyant sparrow
Question: For Gally, I just pop SW for each bomb right?
waxen frigate
So how bad am I trolling my groups if I run mountain thane in M+? I've played wi...
It’s not trolling unless you’re trolling just by playing warrior, which would only be in bleeding edge keys
vital pollen
It’s not trolling unless you’re trolling just by playing warrior, which would on...
Yeah doubt I'd do more than 13s on this guy, just my funsies alt cause I like warrior so much
waxen frigate
Yeah doubt I'd do more than 13s on this guy, just my funsies alt cause I like wa...
Yeah you’re definitely not trolling lmao
Especially if you’re a Chad and play bleed support Prot
vital pollen
Especially if you’re a Chad and play bleed support Prot
Hm what's that?
vital pollen
Bestow thine knowledge upon me
weary saddle
I like to intervene to give magic shield to others, and use rsa addon to make a big announcement whenever i give others the shield.
sharp gale
I prefer the shockwave bump from col ngl
frosty mango
hm
replace tome or replace pacemaker with bombsuit for 15s
im torn
pace is 678 but tome is heroic
orchid mural
i also couldnt choose, so did my 15's and 4 16's without bombsuit! 😄
sharp gale
Bsv is your bombsuit until you actually need the item I guess
mortal cypress
So how bad am I trolling my groups if I run mountain thane in M+? I've played wi...
You pay your sub, play whatever you want
spring gazelle
Heya fellow Prot Warriors.
I've only played Mountain Thane Prot for its higher Defensive capabilities as a new WoW Player since 3 Weeks.
I just skilled Colossus now and have a little question:
Should i only be using Demolish when im at 10 Stacks and optimally if CD Available combined with Avatar?
Or is it simple just pressing demolish und CD.
wicked pollen
you should aim to press it at 10 outside unless you are starting packs without colossal might stacks
jagged pier
u just press it on cd honestly
like everything else
u dont hold anything for longer than like 3 seconds
ionic fern
Only time I hold it is if I have 0 stacks for w/e reason. Get that up to at least 3 and let it fly.
wicked pollen
hmm
ill try to do that and see if my damage goes up
i think every pull after the first i try to have my demolish land in my demo shout even if it means its delayed 3-5s
i assume its not the best but its what has worked for me
woeful trellis
I press sw when I dont have Avatar rdy and no Tank buster in sight, so maybe 2/3 sec delay for Avatar / sw cd
spring gazelle
i think every pull after the first i try to have my demolish land in my demo sho...
Yeah its difficult to count if it makes more dmg when u simply blast it every time possible and blast it 5-6 Times more often in a Dungeon or if its better to power it up
unborn island
Is there a consensus on Heroic Bombsuit Vs Mythic Mud if I want a defensive trinket?
I'm not gonna be doing any M raiding so those are basically my options 🙂
kindred meteor
Can anyone share any tricks for pulling as a prot warrior?
For example the first hallway in Mother lode - lots of small groups that are relatively far from each other.
I usually run through the the first group and tclap and then heroic throw the others to pull them. Is there a better way to do this and get threat before my pug buddies peel?
First time tanking and want to smooth things out as I graduate into 12+ keys
clever thunder
Hey, Quick one Best way to Sim Prot warrior if any one can help ? is preffered method or options, Dungeon slice ? or many targets.
wispy moth
Can anyone share any tricks for pulling as a prot warrior?
For example the firs...
Someone more experienced than me should respond, but as far as I do and saw : you can heoric throw the first pack, heroic leap on the second and taunt / heroic throw on the third. Mass taunt the first two packs and when all on you, thunder clap, revenge etc
earnest cove
When leaping „on“ packs, don’t leap right into the middle. This probably ends up getting you killed.
unborn island
What I do - charge the first pack on the left and thunderclap, + block leap to the next one, pop avatar and send a revenge/you'll still get a small amount of damage from the leap, charge the third one, and then throw to bring in the last one, chuck a thunderous roar when they're getting close and send AoE taunt if I'm not wanting to keep it for the kick.
Make sure I have block up, clap-ravager-deno shout - demolish - normal rotation
arctic marten
Is there anything worth using Wrecking Throw on in the current dungeon pool?
unborn island
Maybe last boss in Rookery, because you don't really need heroic throw for gathering in there?
But idk
arctic marten
Maybe last boss in Rookery, because you don't really need heroic throw for gathe...
Why does Heroic Throw matter?
strong forum
wrecking throw does not compete with heroic throw xd
its just an extra button
however it does cost 2 talent points to get to
so you lose some QoL in the process, but yeah wrecking throw should be insane in any dungeon that has shields
so priory and rookery come first to mind
arctic marten
Thank you
urban portal
toxic pewter
anyone know what all is coming in tomorrow/wednesday's reset
is horrific vision avaialble
toxic pewter
ok dang thanks
solid sun
Did I miss the answer to what blood support spec is
round pendant
no
solid sun
I was hoping to get learnt up
solid sun
It was mentioned in here and Nome was tagged so I assumed it was one of our builds
Am I mistaken
Nope, Nish mentions prot
strong forum
its a
neon elk
Its bleed not blood tho
strong forum
meme
neon elk
Anyway, are they increasing crest drops also or just removing caps ?
small steeple
Anyway, are they increasing crest drops also or just removing caps ?
Just cap
Want more crests? Run 12, they max there
neon elk
Shame, wasted potential
neon elk
Yea its shitload of crests for alts
small steeple
Gotta leave something to do, they’re making valorstones transferable too
neon elk
They kinda useles to transfer if i lack crests anyway on alts
jagged pier
so play more
jagged pier
true
small steeple
Thoughts on running sudden death instead of sof in top and workshop? I’ve done it in a few 12s now and feels pretty nice on bosses
strong forum
objectively correct play to do so
neon elk
I mean, its something at least, but if i need like 500 crests on alt, the 1.5k i can transfer from main is nothing
small steeple
I don't trust those puggers
Just don’t pull all the bombs at once :poggers:
round pendant
but it saves like 40 seconds
small steeple
Yet it costs like 45secoconds in deaths
round pendant
just don't die
Which I'll take care of with my aoe kick
(that's when the shaman puts down his cap totem and griefs me 0.0001ms before my kick)
solid sun
Do the bombs die fast enough that your little aoe kick is all that’s needed
The main reason I don’t pull all the bombs is because it always seems like they live long enough I don’t trust just my aoe kick to be enough
round pendant
Do the bombs die fast enough that your little aoe kick is all that’s needed
yeah they did in the 13 I did
solid sun
That’s good
lofty glen
scenario:
all keys on 12+ dont raiding
Whicht item do i buy first (have pacemaker and tome hero)
i am aiming for bombsuit hc first cause i could never get it and i think its broken.
is this good?
solid sun
Are you going to continue pushing higher and have you already talented into BSV
To me, it makes sense that if you haven’t talented into BSV yet but are concerned about more defensive options, to consider talenting into BSV and picking up one of the myth track trinkets from dungeons first
Then when you can get another dinar get bombsuit
But this also kinda assumes you can get any dinars without raiding
tender zealot
But this also kinda assumes you can get any dinars without raiding
You can get dinars by doing 4 m+
woeful trellis
lofty glen
I also assume you still have to kill at least lfr gally to get heroic bombsuit
i killed all on hc abut i dont raid myth
small steeple
Guild I’m joining is progging Stix, and during my trial had me do all the balls.
mortal cypress
They know immediately if you are poop
Some really good players are just terrible at the balls
frosty mango
I’d argue they are not good players if they are bad at executing mechanics
mortal cypress
I loved katamari damarcy
frosty mango
The ball isn’t even hard you just roll over shit
mortal cypress
Yeah I don't get it
sharp gale
You get chosen to do balls -> you place yourself so 2 smalls poop will pop in your way /grab hyenas if you want, in like 3-4 seconds you are middle size-> you go grab the add FIRST -> grow bigger -> Bomb ? - > clean a little bit -> go into boss when countdown start
mortal cypress
I know, but I watched one of our biggest pumpers just orbiting a trash pile. I don't get it
chrome falcon
nomer the patrician chargeweaving enjoyer, amen
strong forum
lucid mica
Arent we face tanking 2nd boss empowered add of ML? I got destroyed yesterday and I've always face tanked it without any problem with vdh so idk
nocturne spindle
I've never had a problem with the add. Should be fine to face tank
Defensive when ur stacks get high
solid sun
It can be problematic if it lives for a long time I think
But you could probably leap away to reset stacks maybe?
sharp gale
he puts a bleed on you
lucid mica
Yeah maybe, I just wasn't aware that they put bleed stacks
solid sun
Yep
sharp gale
different tanks are afraid of different things
stoic pilot
Keep an eye on your stacks, either you get good luck and parry half of it and it’s irrelevant or you don’t and it requires defensives is what I’ve noticed
sharp gale
or demolish the add so you are first or second dps on the boss
lucid mica
Alright thank you!!
stoic pilot
or demolish the add so you are first or second dps on the boss
Best defensive is killing the add 
dense remnant
is there a specific spot where you'd use bomb suit on gally?
havent seen the whole of p1 even, but im wondering if there's a specific big hit that its useful for
hardy snow
Nome, S3 whishlist should be banner, not reprisal 
jagged gust
is there a specific spot where you'd use bomb suit on gally?
Mythic?
dense remnant
ye
jagged gust
1 sec phones at 1%
cerulean tusk
Nome want chargeweaving back for M+ keys, having us leap out and charge back in on the regular!
little ermine
Nome, S3 whishlist should be banner, not reprisal <a:chatting:126601985174339999...
My man !
lone current
Getting reprisal as an easy-to-pick-up pathing talent in the tree would be dope
shut summit
fuck reprisal
jagged pier
banner and repisal got old by the end, for me at least
but i would like rage management back, and shield block management
solid sun
If it makes the spec harder I don’t want it because I’m an idiot
Please don’t expose me
strong forum
then you can talen t out of it!
solid sun
But it’ll be worse and everytime I ask for help one of you will tell me to use it!
This is a setup to bring me down, and all my idiot brethren. I know it!
:)
nocturne spindle
lmao so if you had that do you just like
ping pong to a range and then back to the pack
solid sun
You mean chargeweaving?
In the past I believe we just hit a heroic leap and then charged back in
That’s what I remember doing anyways
sharp gale
FUCK REPRISAL
dusky canopy
Reprisal kinda goated ngl
sharp gale
i think i'm a hater because we didn't have 100% shield block without it, while others had fun with other leggos
dusky canopy
Most engaging season for me when I played Prot main
solid sun
Reprisal wasn’t as hard as banner imo
strong forum
banner took care of itself when playing reprisal well
sharp gale
do it blizzard
strong forum
it was a feedback loop
round pendant
I want aoe kick to be a separate button
toxic gyro
fuck reprisal
💯 this. Reprisal was absolute dogshit playstyle.
solid sun
Reprisal is kinda like faking the mobs out. Like you act like you’re gonna kite away but then charge back in
vital vale
could reflect cyclones targeted on my healer
solid sun
It’s like that meme where the old man says call an ambulance but not for me
So I like it
toxic gyro
It’s like that meme where the old man says call an ambulance but not for me
Until you intervene back to range player and get hit in the back
round pendant
gimme a talent that removes parry but makes block 360 deg
sharp gale
and since shield charge IS reprisal doing damage with another name - intervene, i don't want another reprisal
round pendant
toxic gyro
Imagine being locked into having melee in the group and play close to you because your active mitigation relies on it
nocturne spindle
i was trying to figure out why suleyman was murdering me so hard but i think he was backshotting me with shield slam somehow 
fucking ledge
sharp gale
just steal the remaining SL leggos and put it on our spec tree
toxic gyro
i was trying to figure out why suleyman was murdering me so hard but i think he ...
You can’t block his hits.
round pendant
i was trying to figure out why suleyman was murdering me so hard but i think he ...
no that's just what he does
nocturne spindle
oh can you not at all?
nocturne spindle
i swear before it wasnt hitting nearly this hard
maybe just healer diff then lmao
round pendant
prob had a disc before
toxic gyro
oh can you not at all?
No. Blizzards idea of how to fuck warrior in m+. Same thing on first boss in psf. Spellblock doesn’t work on judgement nor the aoe.
spring gazelle
Just Ignore Pain trough it 😄
round pendant
I really love bosses that just bypass my specs main mitigation methods!
toxic gyro
Just Ignore Pain trough it 😄
🤨
sharp gale
fuck rik btw
toxic gyro
Gl with that Strat in any higher keys lol
nocturne spindle
i mean unironically thats probably the right idea with teh giga pull
just hold ravager for a bit
IP spam it up
round pendant
IP ain't doing shit there
strong forum
I really love bosses that just bypass my specs main mitigation methods!
the only way for blizz to make pwar remotely balanced
spring gazelle
Gl with that Strat in any higher keys lol
Working on 12 for me, in combination with Shield Wall.
But im not doing the Giga pull, so maybe the Incoming dmg is too much there
But yeah, 12 isnt that high, so dunno how its feeling in 15+
sharp gale
But yeah, 12 isnt that high, so dunno how its feeling in 15+
just imagine it does 33% more damage in 15
round pendant
the only way for blizz to make pwar remotely balanced
What's the point in giving a spec a unique strength and then having so many things just ignore it
meanwhile every other tank just works everywhere
solid sun
I feel like most tanks have fights that they don’t like
toxic gyro
the only way for blizz to make pwar remotely balanced
But we rely on block and mitigation. We’re not like bdk or dh to just insta heal through it.
strong forum
cuz they clearly have no idea what to do with us
solid sun
If not all
strong forum
reminder of 11.1 ptr
toxic gyro
Not to mention other tanks laugh at bleeds/dots while we’re getting fucked.
strong forum
and how many changes they had to do
round pendant
I feel like most tanks have fights that they don’t like
Yeah but they don't have mobs or bosses that seem targetted towards fucking them over specifically
strong forum
cuz of the initial xdd changes they made
round pendant
It's fine if it's bleeds or spell damage that feel like a natural part of the dungeon
dusky canopy
Bosses should not bypass our mitigation they should allow that to be one of our niche strengths
sharp gale
buff arms demolish = big prot W
round pendant
but when they start picking and choosing "oh yeah you can't block this for some reason"
not fun
spring gazelle
just imagine it does 33% more damage in 15
i will take more focus on the Boss next Time.
But the last Keys i didnt seem like causing trouble for me.
Maybe im Outgearing 12 Keys with 668? Dunno im New in Wow
nocturne spindle
just nerf us to the ground so i can finally give up and switch to DH or prot pally
solid sun
I mean bosses that feature a mortal strike seem pretty targeted at bdk to me
round pendant
cuz of the initial xdd changes they made
don't remind me
solid sun
But again, I admit I’m an idiot
toxic gyro
but when they start picking and choosing "oh yeah you can't block this for some ...
Yup. Especially when it’s tank’s specialty
sharp gale
i will take more focus on the Boss next Time.
But the last Keys i didnt seem li...
i think you outgear 12s, but that not the point, you can try to do a def rotation to see if you can do 2min 30 wihtout being naked on the bleed
dusky canopy
When you have paladins bringing infinite kicks and loads of group survivability, vdhs being immortal with a cheat death and insane mob control
round pendant
I mean bosses that feature a mortal strike seem pretty targeted at bdk to me
That's nowhere near as targetted as just making something unblockable
dusky canopy
But We can’t mitigate bosses a little bit better than the rest?
round pendant
every tank suffers from a mortal strike
stoic pilot
I do think it’s a bit odd an ability named “Shield Slam” is unblockable but meh
dusky canopy
Kinda horseshit
stoic pilot
Just gotta play your cds better
solid sun
every tank suffers from a mortal strike
Def seems like pwar doesn’t care about mortal strikes nearly as much as bdk does. It’s their primary source of survival
frosty mango
Blizz will never balance pwar and we will forever be sub meta for the same reason brew is
undone beacon
give warr lust and pwar instantly has a niche as a tank :3
sharp gale
pwar doesn't care about phys damage if we can block it
frosty mango
Blizz has designed themselves into a corner
If they turn it up, we’re immortal, if they turn it down, we require babysitting
sharp gale
Blizz will never balance pwar and we will forever be sub meta for the same reaso...
like brew will never be meta bc of stagger = pwar will never be meta bc of block ?
stoic pilot
I haven’t pushed too much this season so far but it doesn’t feel that egregious, most of the unblockable stuff is infrequent enough that you have stuff for it, or in the case of needing consistent DR you have quite a bit in your kit
toxic gyro
I mean if they don’t want pwar to be so strong vs physical, they can nerf block and make us heal more. We would be blended with vdh.
frosty mango
like brew will never be meta bc of stagger = pwar will never be meta bc of block...
I think is a boiled down statement full of nuance but basically yes
Because block and stagger are very similar
dusky canopy
I mean if they don’t want pwar to be so strong vs physical, they can nerf block ...
I hope not, 100% block is a good skill expression
toxic gyro
I haven’t pushed too much this season so far but it doesn’t feel that egregious,...
You need something for every slam on first mini boss in psf or you get 1shot.
stoic pilot
Yup, use your cds optimally and you’re fine up till about #5, then you get healer external for 6th
toxic gyro
I hope not, 100% block is a good skill expression
I prefer warrior the way it is but unblockable spells are annoying af. We already struggle with dots as it is.
don’t need bs like that
stoic pilot
It’s a bit cringe but if you don’t have anything you can delay avatar a few seconds to get shield wall from it to cover one
sharp gale
i'm fine with the bleed/dot struggle of pwar imo, it is a good balance for me
frosty mango
If we have 100% block all the time then block basically becomes a proto-stagger and they lose block as a tuning knob, so how they do they balance us? Ignore pain? Nope the skill is basically irrelevant. They can’t reduce block below 100% without functionally breaking the class, and if they reduce block% we are too weak, but cranking it up makes us too strong - so they tune from the other side so we end up with dumb shit like unblock able spells
slender bison
You guys talking about Suleyman?
solid sun
I feel like the overly vast majority of the content, including mythic raid, how pwar functions is entirely fine. I don’t see why them doing things to add extra friction to different specs is a bad thing
frosty mango
They need to remove ignore pain and replace it with some sort of self sustain that interacts with block
Either a secondary resource or some sort of heal that does damage
slender bison
You pull Suleyman with the knight pack and zug away. You cant die if you have decent SB/IP uptime and keep SR for his ThunderClap
frosty mango
That would be my vote
slender bison
On 14+ you need heal externals
solid sun
Why is that bad
strong forum
at this point pwar is from a developmental standpoint a huge thorn in the eye because every single mechanic has to be double checked for block and SR
slender bison
They need to remove ignore pain and replace it with some sort of self sustain th...
So DH with a shield?
strong forum
specifically because of us
toxic gyro
at this point pwar is from a developmental standpoint a huge thorn in the eye be...
Just let us reflect everything
frosty mango
specifically because of us
I’d be ok with them removing SR if they reworked IP into some sort of self sustain
strong forum
stoic pilot
VDH being meta is truly a thing but timing a 17 with 10 deaths because you do that much extra damage over VDH is its own reward
slender bison
PWAR is a beast. They just need to give us AM baseline for Prot, a BL + remove left Warrior tree in next expac. Easy re-sub
frosty mango
Shit just give us enraged regen and have it work on shield slam and revenge lol
slender bison
No prot warr BL = no resub
undone beacon
I want
spell block back on anger managment
and maybe a lil lusty action
and I'd be like
kewl
round pendant
Is pressing IP a bunch more (instead of revenge) during suleyman and first boss priory a good answer
if not, why not
slender bison
Then why the hell did they add BR to tanks? They're stupid and can't take it back now
frosty mango
M+ is driven by the meta and you can’t really balance without homogenizing tank kits but people bitch when kits converge so what do they do?
slender bison
Like literally they did NOT think that when they added BR to tanks
chilly brook
I do think it’s a bit odd an ability named “Shield Slam” is unblockable but meh
don't forget an ability called "Thunder PUNCH"
frosty mango
Is pressing IP a bunch more (instead of revenge) during suleyman and first boss ...
It can be
But if you feel the need to do it sub like 16 you’re probably playing wrong
solid sun
M+ is driven by the meta and you can’t really balance without homogenizing tank ...
Delete m+
frosty mango
You have a fat defensive for each pierce and as long as you’re getting dispelled it’s really not a bad fight
stoic pilot
don't forget an ability called "Thunder **PUNCH**"
chilly brook
I mean pierce fucks in high keys
sharp gale
Delete keys
round pendant
You have a fat defensive for each pierce and as long as you’re getting dispelled...
each pierce? you're outta gas after 2 mins
solid sun
in this house we delve and we like it
Big delve gamers
stoic pilot
It’s alright once aug becomes meta you’ll at least have a caut for that boss
Was dwarf + played with pres for that first boss and it was a dream
frosty mango
Avatar wall / wall / wall / demo+ip stack / avatar wall / wall
You can also bomb suit for one if needed, you have enough cdr to cover the entire fight
chilly brook
aug already "A+" according to yoda
frosty mango
The fifth pierce can be very tight if cdr gods aren’t in your good graces
stoic pilot
Yeah I saw some logs of them keeping up with balance druids, kinda wild
chilly brook
“Aug is so back” every time one applies to my key
would you take me if I applied to your key as aug?
chilly brook
solid sun
Why
sharp gale
Avatar wall / wall / wall / demo+ip stack / avatar wall / wall
You can also bom...
It’s so funny you don’t mention our other « def cd », they really need to change it
undone beacon
"+27 Cathedral of Endless Night Aug ONLY 4kio required"