protection

[strong forum]

xd

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

i do agree with the rework tho

[jagged pier]

just bring back high floor high ceiling

one spec can be like that in the game

[round pendant]

Jesus that's some serious downplaying

[round pendant]

yeah that'll happen lmao

I find it really hard to play dps for any significant amount of time

it doesn't help that getting groups is just slow af

[pallid quiver]

Not particularly at the moment. Almost every pain point for tanks ar the moment is a shared one. They have better synergy with the DPS specs people are playing, and our utility (large anount of hard stops) is downplayed since the larger portion of dangerous casts atm are preferred to be standard interrupted.

As a whole, tank balance at the moment is actually very good, and all the tanks are very capable. None have very major survival issues, all of them can deal acceptable amounts of damage, and there's nothing that really particularly shits on one tank over others to an unfixable degree. People adore downplaying for this reason ir that reason, so you have to take things like that with a grain of salt.

[round pendant]

There's literally no objective reason for vdh being in like 95% of top keys

it's just people's perspective influences that more than the actual balance

[little steppe]

Well. Better self sustain mobility grouping etc ..

[round pendant]

I'm just saying that the tank choice isn't making or breaking those keys

maybe in a few more key levels 🤔

and ig priory is rough af for pwar

[still lintel]

What is rough for pwar in priory? Spelldamage? I actually stopped playing my Pala because it was paper in there compared to my Warr, I guess it's a lot of dmg either way though.

[round pendant]

unblockable shield slam from suleyman 😔

and first boss is brutal

and just general spell damage and shit yeah

[still lintel]

Oh, I always wondered why Suleyman trucks both my shield wearers.

[round pendant]

It's literally a choice they made purposely to fuck over pwar

thanks blizz

[pliant iris]

I just try and over utilize ignore pain but I have yet to do over a 10 in priory

[round pendant]

first boss is like 2 minutes of chilling and then praying your healer can keep you up til your dps kill the boss

[pliant iris]

I always end up going right instead of left for that reason. The right mini boss kinda sucks but it helps the healer out on first boss.

If I wasn’t a pugger it might be different though

[marsh charm]

i usually love dps but

having to wait almost an hour per key

its draining the fun so much

btw is 87% Shield block ok uptime?

[round pendant]

it depends

what matters is shield block up time when actually in combat

check your blocked hits instead

[marsh charm]

ah ok

[round pendant]

in a key I usually end up with around 90% shield block uptime

[solid sun]

I mean does vdh actually have better grouping than pwar this season

Everyone keeps complaining about their threat especially during grouping

[round pendant]

they got some nice way to grab mobs but then they lose threat and murder everyone

[solid sun]

Seems like a pain point for them this season

[round pendant]

hehe

[round pendant]

got a log?

[marsh charm]

i need logs for everything it seems

ive been waiting with getting it but

i guess i have no choice lmao

fak it

ill get log tool thingy right now

though

i dont know how to log

[round pendant]

it's ez

enable advanced logging in options -> download Loggerhead -> download warcraft logs uploader (and register) -> upload logs after/while playing

[marsh charm]

companion or uploader?

loggerhead?

[round pendant]

loggerhead is an addon

[marsh charm]

oooh

[round pendant]

it lets you automatically enable/disable logging per dungeon/instance type

[solid sun]

It’s made with the best hops

[marsh charm]

ok advnaced combat logging on

[round pendant]

then when you go into a dungeon/raid it'll ask if you want to enable logging for that dungeon/raid

you click yes and bam you're logging but not logging while just in the world

reminder to clean out your log folder every now and then it gets pretty big

[marsh charm]

ah ok

maybe i can set a cleaner to clean it every week or 2

[round pendant]

uhmmmm

[marsh charm]

oh dear

thats a lot

[pallid quiver]

People think silence sigil has literally 0 cd and things like that. Most pain point gathers can be los'd, and even get los'd by VDHs as well, but they generally have potential for easier gathers since they have ranged interrupt/silence options

[round pendant]

2 months worth

[marsh charm]

so logs app and not companion then

wew

[round pendant]

yeah the Uploader

[marsh charm]

they have 2 on wowhead

ok ty

[round pendant]

idk what the companion even is tbh

[marsh charm]

idk its there to download lol

it uses an app i hate

overwolf

overwolf can die

[pallid quiver]

Companion App iirc lets you do things like go directly to logs page of people applying and looking at logs while in game via the companion app's browser

[solid sun]

I messed around with bear some this weekend

Its damage is pretty abysmal but it was still kinda fun

I think I’d play that over vdh. I hate vdh

[marsh charm]

ok all installed and stuff

i dont hate vdh

i just dont like playing what literally everyone is playing lol

[solid sun]

I dislike the whole kit

[round pendant]

Bear is nice

kinda needs a bit of a rework tho imo

[marsh charm]

now idk what to do

[pliant iris]

You guys use WOWOP?

[marsh charm]

i wish i liked bear but

i dont like being a furry lmao

[solid sun]

You turn into an animal

You don’t turn into a furry

[round pendant]

So when you play next, you'll go into a dungeon and it'll pop up asking if you want to log the instance (it'll remember your choice). Then after your key you can open WCL Uploader and upload the log

it's that shrimple

[pliant iris]

WOWOP is like Warcraft logs but specifically designed for M+

[round pendant]

well you prob need a wcl account

[marsh charm]

oh

i do have a wcl acc

so thats all good

[pliant iris]

And WOWOP is completely independent of WCL

[marsh charm]

lets see how god awful i am chall we

imma try find a key

[solid sun]

Never heard of wowop before

[solid sun]

Is there a reason to use it over just normal logging to warcraftlogs

[pliant iris]

This is the information it provides for each group member

[marsh charm]

ive heard of it but

idk why i should use it

[round pendant]

not really

[solid sun]

What’s a “heavy fail”

[pliant iris]

That’s opening a can of worms lol

They take each dungeon and ask the community what the heavy fails should be

Basically avoidable one shots

[round pendant]

It also shits on my rating cause I don't use any hps talents

like gee thanks

[pliant iris]

Yeah prot HPS is incomparable to other tanks. You get the most HPS by using ignore pain

But DK inflates the role median

[marsh charm]

just altf4 mid pull

[pliant iris]

😂

[round pendant]

site would be better if it could import from wcl

[pliant iris]

Used to but WCL sent a cease and desist

So they had to develop their own server for information

[round pendant]

also

ai generated logo

[pliant iris]

The cool thing about OP, it keeps your last 15 runs and that’s it

So if you’re getting better, your score will keep going up

Buncha graphic designer noobs

[marsh charm]

ok first log starting now ig

[round pendant]

good luck

[pliant iris]

Yep Gl

[marsh charm]

just waiting for the last person to walk into the dungeon

[pliant iris]

WCL is awesome too though, I love the replay feature

[charred lodge]

what gems in cyrce's Circlet for m+? I am seeing different things on guides.

[marsh charm]

none

[charred lodge]

Stormbringer's and Fathomdweller is consistent. The 3rd is not

[marsh charm]

idk i dont use it

[charred lodge]

I still dont have mythic rings

[round pendant]

Windsinger

more stats more good

[pliant iris]

Anyone use Tome of Lights Devotion? Is it easy to master the different modes?

[solid sun]

There's nothing to master

You just track it with a WA and try to stay in sword mode as much as you can

[pliant iris]

So when you’re in defense mode, you use it to get back to offensive mode and try to line that up as much as possible with your pulls is what I’m getting

Is its defensive mode useful at all?

[charred lodge]

I cant say I have ever purposely sat in defensive mode. I mean its probably "fine" when you are in it. But to what Rhino said just get a wa to track it and try to stay on offense as much as possible.

This is the one I use. I edited it a bit so its in my actual HUD.

https://wago.io/N2AyOI4j0

[pliant iris]

Thanks plum

Now for the easy task of gathering a mythic tome

lol

[round pendant]

you don't think about it beyond shield mode = press it

[pliant iris]

Yeah that’s what I’m gathering

[round pendant]

I guess if you're already in shield mode and you're boutta take some magic dam

you can hold onto it a little

but generally better to just get the dam

[marsh charm]

ok im done

now what lmao

[round pendant]

open wcl uploader

login or whatever, click the upload a log tab

it should automatically find your log folder but if not

find WoW_retail|\Logs

and the latest WoWCombatLog file

then just click go

[marsh charm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qrh9TBA1nvFxHaL3

like this?

[round pendant]

yarp

[marsh charm]

man its a bit embarrassing

[round pendant]

why

[marsh charm]

im new to tanking lol

[round pendant]

That's a reason to not be embarrassed

If you'd been tanking for 10 years and sucked then maybe but even then, it's never embarrassing to want to improve

Right so

[marsh charm]

what am i looking for in the log

[round pendant]

1. Your build sucks
2. Your blocked hits is decent (81%) but definitely room to improve, you wanna aim for 90+ (Keep SB up and don't let mobs punch your ass)
3. You wasted roughly 10% of your total rage, remember to press IP when you're at ~80 rage before you press a rage generating ability
4. You're colossus, press Demolish on CD and Revenge more (SS > Revenge > TClap)

2 could be due to you running ITF when you only have 14k haste

I'd use Heavy Repercussions til you get 16k + 4pc

[marsh charm]

oh

[round pendant]

Depends what you're trying to improve

I like to look at CPM (casts tabs), Rage waste (resources tab), and blocked hits (Damage taken tab, click yourself and mouse over the Hits column under the abilities, mainly melee)

[marsh charm]

im tryint to figure out the rage waste thing

[round pendant]

Resources tab -> click Hit Points at the top left-ish and change it to Rage

[marsh charm]

i see it

is the % important

i can only see numbers lol

[round pendant]

If you unselect just yourself you can see

Wasted 1239, Gained 12282

[marsh charm]

oh

[round pendant]

total 13521

so not quite 10% but yeah

[marsh charm]

yeah i can see it

[round pendant]

Oh you died

hmmge

[marsh charm]

ok thats no good i 100% need to fix that

yeah we killed all mobs and i died after like 3-4 seconds afterwards lol

idk how id survive it

it was this one dot but

maybe i was trolling

[round pendant]

also on the rage graph you can see moments where you dropped below 30 rage

not the end of the world

but worth trying to avoid

[marsh charm]

mm thats good to know

i do like my build though

i know people dont like thunderfury

but it seems so strong

🤔

[round pendant]

it's not

[round pendant]

Nah that miniboss just trucks

[marsh charm]

i mean thunderlord oops

[round pendant]

Healer just has to pump you til the bleed falls off

[marsh charm]

does any of my mitigation help?

against the dot

i tried popping spell block but i guess that was just stupid lmao

tbh idk what i can use it on

[round pendant]

yeah IP and Shield Wall

[marsh charm]

i pop it sometimes when i see lots of casts about to go off

[round pendant]

Idk I've never thought about that mob but if the healer sucks it can be an issue ig

[marsh charm]

and i dont think anyone will use any cc

or kick

and ofc i dont have any

[round pendant]

With Spell Block just send that shit unless you've learned a specific point to use it

[marsh charm]

ah

[round pendant]

Using it is better than not using it

But there's a spreadsheet in the pins with everything that's spell blockable/reflectable

[marsh charm]

i also saw my shield block and ip was lower than usual

[round pendant]

like, the bee wing in Cinderbrew is very nice to use it on the first and third/fourth pull

[marsh charm]

man i really trolled lmao

ooh

[round pendant]

Nah you didn't do that bad

[marsh charm]

i wonder if there is a weakaura to help with it

[round pendant]

Just waste less rage and do the rotation better and you'll do big dam and be tankier

[marsh charm]

the spell block thing

[round pendant]

Thunderlord isn't strong btw, you're giving up ravager or battering ram

which are stronger

[marsh charm]

hm

is damage really that much more important

[round pendant]

And pick ONE between Thunderous Roar and Champion's Spear

[round pendant]

Ravager gives you shit tons of rage and is really useful for grouping mobs

And since you're playing colossus you shouldn't be pressing tclap that much so you get very little value out of thunderlord anyway

[marsh charm]

i get 4.5 sec cd off per clap

and aoe interrupt is good no?

plus its a taunt too on top

i only need to hit 3 with my tc

[round pendant]

Disrupting shout is good yeah

[marsh charm]

sure the damage isnt that good

but what about the utility i have access to

if i can spam tc

i know i know

im new

i know jackshit

[round pendant]

Wdym

[marsh charm]

sorry im jsut trying to make sense of this lol

[round pendant]

You don't spam tclap as colossus

Or shouldn't

I only press tclap to reapply rend or if my rage is low and ss/sc is on cd

[opaque ibex]

ik that this question was asked a lot prolly, but just got the trinket, just making sure. tldr i just use it once it passes into armor right ?

[nocturne spindle]

yup

[round pendant]

dw man just keep it up and try to keep the things I mentioned in the back of your mind

I strongly recommend just using the standard wowhead m+ build tho (but swap ITF for HR)

and Intervene for Crackling Thunder

[marsh charm]

[round pendant]

and can drop Show of Force for AoE kick too, but not needed for low keys

[mighty valley]

Yeah that’s basically it

[round pendant]

and indom for BsV (also not needed for low keys tho) or battering ram

I feel like the wowhead guide should have an explanation on flex points

If it does, I'm just blind

if not, it should

[mighty valley]

I’ve never seen a reasoning for doing roar + spear

doesn’t sim better for me, just seems to be adding complexity for nothing

but if you like having another button you do you

also I can’t imagine living without Double Time

[nocturne spindle]

There's the argument for spearing enemies as utility and keeping roar as a threat grabber

But that would basically only apply in like dfc with knock back

And at the level that matters you can just knock them up

[pliant iris]

Shockwave talent for the win

Love roar for threat

[humble rose]

Apologies if this has been asked: If a single hit does 90% of my health bar (From full) does BSV trigger and reduce the damage by 80% the for the last 20% of the damage (Between 10% and 30%)? Or do I take the full damage, and then BSV activates, reducing anything I take AFTER the hit

[pliant iris]

That’s an excellent question

[jagged pier]

it will proc is an apply the DR to the full hit

[humble rose]

The full 90% hit? As in the full ~13m hit?

[jagged pier]

yes

[humble rose]

That's.. actually pretty sweet

Thank you

[frosty mango]

I wish they’d made bsv a cooldown

Instead of health threshold

Or let us activate it like ardent defender

[round pendant]

another CD would be nice yep

[frosty mango]

I’d like like to be able to control the window

[round pendant]

I don't think there is a good reason, you're just throwing away a significant amount of damage

for utility you might use once in a blue moon?

I'm a spear hater tho

[frosty mango]

I sometimes would run spear + roar in dfc to root the little dudes in the first area for the kickback but now that people generally know what to do I don’t anymore

The only time I ever run spear now is on vexie I think

[harsh trellis]

this is a last week discussion

[pliant iris]

New members to the discord will ask previously answered questions. As long as someone is willing to answer it, it’s not a big deal. This is unavoidable.

[stiff gate]

I use it in DFC to vortex the knocks on the adds. I use it in workshop first pull to keep the mobs from getting knocked everywhere by the sawblades. Otherwise roar all day

[frosty mango]

Are you new to this channel? It’s the same 5 discussions separated by meme posting on endless repeat

Like one of those free Pluto tv channels that play the same show 24/7

We’re almost back to where we talk about if mud is a good trinket or not and then after that we’ll talk about thane vs colossus again

[pliant iris]

I welcome it. It means more are playing, more are finding the discord and more are trying to get better.

[frosty mango]

More zug is always a win for me

[pliant iris]

Zug zug

[frosty mango]

And agree. More questions = more informed players = better overall community health

[round pendant]

yeah I'm not really bothered by repeat questions

if I don't wanna answer I just don't

🤷‍♂️

[pliant iris]

👍

[next pasture]

i just had trouble with the start of the dungeon. i was overpulling, no one would ever live. i do two pulls to get to first boss, but i’ve since changed it to like, 2.5.

[harsh trellis]

everyone needs to be on the same page with that pull

[round pendant]

yeah DFC start is one of the most annoying parts of this season

[next pasture]

is it common knowledge that you can completely negate the knockback in DFC with shockwave? it’s always up in time for it, and you can handle it entirely by yourself

[stiff gate]

only if you dont use shockwave to stop wicklighter casts

[next pasture]

i feel like stopping the rock throwers from going to narnia is more valuable in most cases

[stiff gate]

also ive found its a bit trickier to not miss anything and the timing is tighter than just plopping spear down

[harsh trellis]

on 13s and higher I do like thane in that key

[scenic blade]

how big of a difference is bombsuit compared to mud trinket? is it flat out better for pwarr in every dungeon?

[round pendant]

Mud is a little worse

[solid sun]

What do you mean by “now that people know what to do”?

Assume I know what to do but would need to explain it to someone else who isn’t me

[frosty mango]

You usually pull two pulls to boss, and Los both times.

At the start of the season people generally didn’t Los but by now most people do

[tribal wharf]

this should have been the scarlet crusade paladin tier set

stupidly on pt + its a recolor

a paladin with judgement and hes got a ton of blood on him from killing the cultists at SM

whoever pulled the trigger on making that set, we need him in charge of things he understands what player wnts

[round pendant]

recolours?

idk I want them to fix class bugs and make m+ even betterer

personally

oh and buff shp

[round cliff]

me when the art team isnt fixing class bugs

[round pendant]

They'd do a better job than the current people (nobody) working on it

[undone beacon]

@lusty grotto did you see the bear buffs? Guardian stocks soaring

https://tenor.com/view/howl-harvest-howlharvest-moonguard-moon-guard-bear-gif-1865620123706967638

[rancid tiger]

I just watched a review guy said 5% guardian very stonks feral 3% not quite as exciting.. im like ye fam 2% less interresting

[round pendant]

how is 5% guardian stonks

1.05 * 0 = 0

[rancid tiger]

I dno

3% of feral is big

In m+

[frosty mango]

Aura buffs are compounding

Sounds boring but they tend to be more impactful

Aura nerfs, too

[pallid quiver]

It's 5% from the super secret buff that makes maul doe 50 billion damage

Trust me, my ant works at Blizzard

it's a very dangerous life, that

[humble rose]

Does the guide writer for Wowhead know about the rotational page being all messed up? There's two openers, no ST or AoE

[lusty grotto]

i have all of those

[lusty grotto]

because its the same priority

but you can tag nome and ask about it

just need to read

[small steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=72&v=ZHwOBAJemVc&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.icy-veins.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE

bear sat down

everyone died

[sharp gale]

A casual guild asked me to write a guide on pwar, I just sent the rotation wowhead page

[mortal cypress]

Is guardian the weakest tank, damage wise then? Always had a soft spot for giant monkeh

[urban portal]

Should refer to logs to give a general idea

[echo canyon]

is it worth to drop ravager for thunderlord?

[lusty grotto]

how high are you pushing

[echo canyon]

played 15 yesterday

[lusty grotto]

probably by 17s

[echo canyon]

but is a top

[pallid quiver]

It's the top of for opener, bottom is the rotation

[lusty grotto]

15s shouldnt need it

but its up to you

[echo canyon]

but how much more dps does ravager?

[pallid quiver]

@strong forum I wager you have it that way so the one hero talent selection affects both opener and rotation for smooth integration, but apparently it's causing confusion

[lusty grotto]

its not just the dps

its the rage gain

[humble rose]

I did figure, but I think it's just ST and it's not mega clear - Just wondering if it was mentioned to them (I think it's Archimtiros?)

[lusty grotto]

no its Nome

[pallid quiver]

Nome is the writer for prot

Archi is for both DPS Wars

[lusty grotto]

the orange name

[humble rose]

Understood, Apologies

[pallid quiver]

And our rotation is the same in ST and AOE

[lusty grotto]

its the same priority for both

[pallid quiver]

Hence just the one

[lusty grotto]

thats why there's no separate ones

i said that earlier

[echo canyon]

@lusty grotto ok ty

[lusty grotto]

the only thing that differs between ST and AOE is whether you use execute or not

that's it

[pallid quiver]

I didn't catch all of this, but Ravager is very helpful by frontloading a huge amount of rage gen, which has huge survival benefits at the start of a pull, where your life is the most at danger

[echo canyon]

is momma the hardest m+ boss for prot warr=

this season?

[lusty grotto]

i would say so

[pallid quiver]

I'd say probably that or first boss Priory? Last boss Floodgate was looking sketch for a bit before punch got tweaked a bit

[lusty grotto]

yeah momma and dailcry are rough

but momma is the tougher one

[echo canyon]

momma needs babysit from heal ye

[lusty grotto]

momma > dailcry > rixxa=gigazap, thats about it

the rest of the bosses are easy

[pallid quiver]

I haven't pushed far enough to see which gets worse; they're just both the only ones that do anything to you if you don't mess up mechanics on like 14s? or less

[lusty grotto]

and rixxa isnt really hard, it just needs knowledge of spell block and cd management, everything aligns well

[echo canyon]

can u spellbock momma's buster >dot?

[lusty grotto]

you can spell block the initial hit

not the dot

[echo canyon]

but the dot is the scary one right?

[pallid quiver]

As a rule of thumb, you generally can only spell block initial hits and not dots

[lusty grotto]

well yeah

[cerulean tusk]

The initial hit slaps, no?

[lusty grotto]

but the initial hit can drop you hard so

[round pendant]

I feel like dailcry is harder than momma

[pallid quiver]

Having a higher starting pool to drain the dot from helps

[round pendant]

but momma is harder for your group ig

[pallid quiver]

Momma tends to be strenuous because everyone is taking damage

Dailcry is usually focused on the tank

Since outside of leaps and the aoe cast (assuming you go left), there's no party damage

[sharp gale]

Yeah to me momma is harder bc group not because on me / did only in 14 didn’t see it worst than dailcry (im not a rankings addict tho)

[pallid quiver]

From what I can see, Dailcry is mechanically harder to deal with alone, but the context makes him easier, since you have more support. You're more on your own for Big Momma

[lusty grotto]

it also depends on race

cause dailcry is obviously easier for dwarves

[sharp gale]

Always about race nim

Je suis gnome

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

Just stack evokers

Problem solved

3 DPS Evokers and a Prevoker using stasis for an extra use should carry you through ez

[lusty grotto]

lol

[echo canyon]

is miss the mordetha scythe spellreflect 😦

[lucid mica]

What thunderlord gives you to offset ravaget defensively in super high keys? Is the demo shout damage reduction that noticeable? How much would it reduce its cd in a normal scenario? ty

[lusty grotto]

you and all of us

[lusty grotto]

at the top end, sure

anything below it, probably not

[sharp gale]

If you living or dying is a matter of thunderlord

You are in 17-18s+

[echo canyon]

till 15-16 u can go yolo?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

well, not yolo, but at least a def trinket and BSV

[echo canyon]

but battlescared take all the time

[pallid quiver]

Even then, if playing Colo, you might not even do enough claps to have TL make the difference

[sharp gale]

Maybe in some 16s i would start getting used to it / if you expect to push higher

[pallid quiver]

If pushing that high, you should have an idea of a specific plan for defensives and how to live

Because otherwise, you will die

[sharp gale]

^

[lusty grotto]

it depends hugely on key level, since the shorter the fights, the less TL has a noticeable effect, since your TC will be even less as Colossus

[sharp gale]

If you are starting 16s you should know quite a lot of def rotations, smalls things etc

You should know, where do they need thunderlord (which is obviously about the DR)

[lusty grotto]

yea

ideally yes

even then that key level will go higher as weeks go by

ilvls go up

it'll go up even more on the turbo boost event

cause you will outgear a current difficult key

[sharp gale]

Also that, 18s will be the new 16s in 2 weeks I forgot that

[lusty grotto]

so whether you need it at a high key or not comes from personal experience, that being said you gotta be warry about overvaluing it, since if the resets dont actually help you defensivewise, or arent as often, then it is probably not worth

yup happy

[round pendant]

how?

cause ilvl?

oh you said it already

[sharp gale]

Some ppl will jump 15 ilvls in 2 weeks + the corruptions (LOL), i guess it would fill the 20% increase of 2 key lvl

[round pendant]

what's the timing on shockwave for the knockback aoe at the start of dfc?

🤔

[lusty grotto]

just use it as it hits

you want the knock up to hit as they start travelling

[round pendant]

it kills their momentum?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[round pendant]

gotcha

didn't know if it just makes them avoid the knockback or what

aite well hopefully I can do that next time I run that key

[sullen inlet]

Is 15s the point that you'll want to use defensive trinkets? I've been heroic book and mechano core so far but the 15 felt a lot worse than my 14s

[lusty grotto]

up to you really

if you feel things are starting to hurt, by all means

but its a per dungeon thing, not a key level thing

[sullen inlet]

At least the trash units in hallway before 2nd boss of work tore through me

Ah, never really done more than vault keys b4 this season so didn't know that

[lusty grotto]

uhh

well dungeons have different damage profiles

so its not due to key level at that point that you need to worry about it

its whether you have the tools to survive or not, and if you need help added to those

some dungeon's trash doesnt hit as hard as others, thats always been the case

[sullen inlet]

Okay yea that makes sense, would looking at trinkets of prot warriors doing keys at or similar that they use be a good starting point?

[lusty grotto]

bomb suit

or mud

thats it

[sullen inlet]

Damn I have neither rn

[round pendant]

1 key level up shouldn't feel "a lot worse"

it's 10%

If it does feel a lot worse it's prob just the group as a whole kinda inting

[sullen inlet]

True, diff healer than normal probably made it worse

[round pendant]

And sometimes you just have bad runs, aren't playing as good as usual, etc

one run isn't enough to gauge if you really need to adjust imo

[sullen inlet]

Yea that's fair I'll keep going at it then

[lucid mica]

I did shield charge+thunderclap to the first adds after 1st boss priory and they walked past me and killed the healer, is that really not enough to hold them until i group? Because if so its so sad

[round pendant]

You might have got the shield charge bug that made it do 0 dam

but that's how I do that pack and never had an issue

[forest sluice]

Skill issue should’ve been a paladin

[lucid mica]

Hmm maybe

[frosty mango]

You can heroic throw them and drop ravager in the doorway

Then Los outside

That’s how I do it so they group evenly and I don’t have uppity dps dying on me

[blissful thicket]

how good is the uppity dps

[frosty mango]

Boomies and arcane mages love to send all their cooldowns before I get a chance to press buttons

[lucid mica]

Ah i can do that yes, its very different as im used to so this kind of stuff is new

[blissful thicket]

i dont mid boomys using MF to prestack

but when they drop like 50 SF in like a few globals

[round pendant]

god

my UI is too good so I have nothing to tweak out of boredom anymore

[pallid quiver]

Tweak ur mom

[lusty grotto]

huh

what

youre supposed to say what luerce

[pallid quiver]

smh i was already gone

I'm a failure

[frosty mango]

what kinda details dps do you guys normally pull in lower priory

like 10-11

I havent run any lower vault keys in a while and you can do some monster pulls in there if you aren't scared for your life lol

[round pendant]

lower priory? do you mean up to 1st boss or just the first pull?

[thorn patio]

I think he just means low keys like 10s

[round pendant]

oh

2.3-2.4m ig?

on the upper end

never done giga pulls tho, just standard routing

[sharp gale]

priory 10 (i died/ missed priestress miniboss pack)

regular standard route

[frosty mango]

just pulled 2.6 on a 10 felt kinda like it was trolling

the dk also pulled like 5m tho so I was kinda carried

[sharp gale]

im going theater rn, i will send the overall

[round pendant]

yeah key overall is too dependent on other people doing enough damage to make it fast

[sharp gale]

for the bosses

[round pendant]

That's fury, you're cheating

[sharp gale]

i was not bragging, just showing common folk dps

first boss top

[gilded tapir]

But he's asking in the prot channel, presumably for what damage people are doing as prot

[lusty grotto]

they are regulars

[frosty mango]

He’s linking it to show the pug tank in his priory

Which is a warrior

[lusty grotto]

the correct answer is it depends on gear

cause most of us regulars can easily pull close to 3m on priory 10s

but that's not average by any means

[sharp gale]

i wonder which tank i have in those screens

[pallid quiver]

I pull 0 because I don't play no more this season

[sharp gale]

wtf is this macro x)

[lusty grotto]

maybe he thinks tanks are cops

[pallid quiver]

If we're cops, can we be like the MPs in the new Gundam animoo?

[waxen frigate]

+2

[sharp gale]

top overall

[frosty mango]

I need a wee woo mog

[sharp gale]

rate mine

[frosty mango]

Top tier tbh

[strong forum]

Alliance vulpera be like

[round cliff]

can alts skip the undermine questline?

i just wanna get to the rep grinding

[strong forum]

Yes

When you start the campaign you can skip right to the last step

[sharp gale]

i didn't even finish the campaign on my main

[round pendant]

only if your group also pumps

so not in pugs

lmao

I might try some sweaty groups for parses tho for the hell of it

[round cliff]

alright, fresh 80 on the hunter

am i doing delves for basic bitch gear?

or do i skip to m0s

[cerulean tusk]

Straight into 10s for weekly vault

Get a friend to time a 10 with you, then repeat with your own key. Remember, even if you got a 11, write 10 in the title

Don't do a low key, or you won't start with s 10 key

[bold tangle]

is there a list of all spell reflectable spells in M+ this season?

[mighty valley]

In the pins

[bold tangle]

awesome tyvm

[mighty valley]

no problem, lickums

[sick sentinel]

kinda not a warrior question, but is there a way to make bigwigs use dbm sounds? like "find shelter" and stuff like that?

[lusty grotto]

yes

but you need the dbm sounds in a folder somewhere accesible by addons

and its a lot of work

[sick sentinel]

oh is htere an easy addon to dl and make that work?

oh nvm then lol

[lusty grotto]

cause you gotta go mechanic by mechanic

[sick sentinel]

oh. yeah im doing that atm

[lusty grotto]

changing the sounds

[sick sentinel]

i dont mind doing that.

but is theer an addon that adds the sound options to the bigwigs options?

[lusty grotto]

if you go under /_retail_/Interface/Addons/ you can create a folder there and put sounds in

and bigwigs should be able to pick them up from there

[sick sentinel]

ahsounds like a lot of work, ill just use the built in ones, ty tho ❤️

[cerulean tusk]

Nim not creating a plug in to do that for us? Lazy rat in a hat.

[lusty grotto]

yes am lazy

[ashen elm]

I was just doing a TOP 14, and at the first boss, the boss did Searing Death. Everyone collapsed the second the abilitiy went out. That's not how it's supposed to work right?

I have logs for it, i just don't want to post a link here if it's not allowed

[lusty grotto]

did you pull the ritualist with it

actually nvm the ritualist buff isnt a damage amp

yeah sure post it here

[ashen elm]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yvbwHn8J17AjVPQx?fight=last&view=replay&position=94896

if you go to the replay, and go to 1:34, the ability starts getting casted and poof

The ability says it'll tick every 3 seconds... that wasn't 3 seconds, unless i'm missing something

[lusty grotto]

did you get knocked by the wall

by any chance

[ashen elm]

definitely not

[ruby berry]

In that exact same key we almost fell over as well this morning, weird, let me see if I can find my log on mobile

[sharp gale]

Searing death is the spread ?

[ashen elm]

correct

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[ashen elm]

but you have 3 seconds

to spread

[sharp gale]

I know exactly what happened

[sharp gale]

Nop

After his cast of you are not spread you are dead

[ashen elm]

so you have to pre-spread?

[lusty grotto]

happy is right

[ashen elm]

How have i never experienced this before lol

[sharp gale]

Well at the end of the cast you have to be spread

[lusty grotto]

its every 3s if youre inside the circles

[pallid quiver]

A non-zero amount of dots tick on application

[lusty grotto]

you just took x5 initial hit if you were all stacked

[sharp gale]

It happens couple times to me where melees got OS bc of that

[pallid quiver]

If not tick, there's often an initial kick

[ashen elm]

Got it, so you gotta be spread before it goes out, and obviously remain spread after

[lusty grotto]

ya

[ashen elm]

ah, okay, so i fundamentally misunderstood the mechanic, this is embarrassing to learn this at a 14 but thank you guys

[lusty grotto]

not embarassing

you shouldn't be embarassed at all

[cerulean tusk]

Ya don't learn before it matters, it is how it works

[lusty grotto]

a lot of that is trivial in lower keys

[waxen frigate]

i'd make you bite the curb

[ashen elm]

You're right, i wonder how many times its happened, and the dmg is just negligible. Ah well, thank you guys

[lusty grotto]

its also a very situational case

it probably hasnt happened to me because people arent stacked at all on my runs

thats why i couldnt explain it and happy could heheh

[sharp gale]

it happened when i didn't move the boss enough after the puddles even tho i doubt the pugs knew the mech in the first place

[round cliff]

if i upgrade one trinket to 6/6 myth

does my 2nd trinket get a discount or no

[chilly brook]

no

2 trinkets need to be 6/6 myth

[round cliff]

how tf am i so behind on gilded crests 😔

my neck, both rings, and both trinkets are 6/6 heroic

and i have a single 1/6m trinket

and im gilded capped w/ only 45 in hand

[chilly brook]

because you did this

[round cliff]

you know

true

i wont do this next season

[chilly brook]

doesn't matter anyways a week from Tue, everything uncapped

[frosty mango]

yes. dbm

[sharp gale]

basically : don't spend gilded on hero gear

[round cliff]

yea

[sharp gale]

unless you take a socket in the vault (if you don't myth raid)

[round cliff]

wym

[sharp gale]

if you take a socket (and only do m+), you will never be able to spend those 75 crests on myth tracks

[round cliff]

ive taken sockets before

and im still behind on crests

[sharp gale]

on crests or ilvl

[round cliff]

wuh

[sharp gale]

or ilvl bc crests

[round cliff]

im so lost on this whole train of thought

ilvl because crests

[frosty mango]

What is “behind”

[round cliff]

671

[sharp gale]

basically you can spend 75 crests +30 per week(crafts) if you take multiple sockets vault you have free crests you can spend anywhere you want

[marsh charm]

crest caps is stupid

[solid sun]

Why is 671 behind

[marsh charm]

dunno

im 645

[solid sun]

I’m sure there are people who raid mythic that are 671 or maybe even lower

[marsh charm]

i mean. Liquid cleared full mythic as 661

pre nerfs

[solid sun]

That’s kinda irrelevant

[nocturne spindle]

finally broke 3m again poggies

[solid sun]

big grats

[sharp gale]

the ones who couldn't do a 10 the first week i guess

[solid sun]

you aren't gauranteed an upgrade to a myth track item every single week from the vault

And some people might get very little gear while raiding during prog

How can we know that being 671 is behind

[sharp olive]

Am I out of touch to think King mechagon should teleport corpses to the platform if they fall off

[sharp gale]

because i'm 673-674 on my alt warrior (who entered the raid the 5th week)

[solid sun]

So maybe you're just quite lucky

[sharp gale]

my dk is 671 i took 2 vault tokens 4 weeks in a row

i think it's more that i didn't spend gilded crests on hero pieces

and i do 3 m+ vault slots every week, and i craft on cd

[sharp gale]

One week I had to save 45 gilded crest for the week after just bc craft week, most don’t have the patience to have that in their bag for 7 days I guess

[jagged gust]

I have 671 with 2 bad vaults and having wasted a total of 30 gilded

[round cliff]

sorry but i dont entirely get it yet 😭

wym 75 + 30

i get that if u dont have to upgrade a myth item right away because u took socket, then u can spend those crests on smth else

but if cap is only going up by 30 a week, ur still gonna be capped

[lofty glen]

jojojo. end of the month with beeing able to buy a hero item from raid or mythtrack m+ trinked..... what would you guys buy? this is my actual gear and i cant decide what i will dodge in vault the next 3 weeks

[nocturne spindle]

Tome seaforium myth track

[lofty glen]

raid gear on hero is not even a good chois? thinked about galli trinked or ring thats why i am asking 😄

[jagged gust]

dungeon trinkets are usually pretty hard to nab

still have a few weeks before you have to make any decisions

so its kinda moot asking a question 3 vaults from now

[lone current]

next week no?

may 13th

[jagged gust]

ah yes, so 2 vaults away

then another 3 weeks before the next

[lone current]

Yeah then they making us wait 3 weeks in between each one 😢

[lucid mica]

Is this 11.1.5?

[jagged gust]

Like I guess you could dodge them? But if you luck into them in vault you can just choose another chase item, I'd love jastor/tome/pacemaker/bombsuit/best-in-slots/house of cards and more for different specs and scenarios

[jagged gust]

in 2 resets ye

[lucid mica]

Cool, and do you remember how much time use to past until .7 or is it random?

[jagged gust]

I'm pretty sure you can use the dinar system to figure that out

june 24th is the final dinar so I wouldn't be surprised by it dropping around the beginning of July

[lofty glen]

Yes bro thats the point. If you have do decide to pick item 1 or 2 and you can get it 3 weeks later safe its good to know so you can ignore it 1st

Exampme i get myth track head and tome in vault i would dodge tome cause i can buy it. And thats why i am asking

[jagged gust]

#protection message

[unborn island]

When you miss a key by a few seconds and have a look at the logs to find out why....

I'm not sure how reliable DPS logs are in keys, but surely getting grey is no Bueno?

[orchid frigate]

how do i deal with captain dailcry's pierce armor? feels like even with shield wall and pumping in all rage into ignore pain im still dying 😦

[wicked pollen]

you should hopefully be getting dispelled from the debuff of other miniboss

other than that its having wall and being healed

[sweet summit]

not ideal to see grey, but relatively low sample size and an absurd amount of variables makes it not perfect but i think it's the best tool available

[orchid frigate]

ok, guess its not all up to me if i die there then 🙂

[wicked pollen]

i mean you should be able to have a wall or demo shout for each

like surely

[unborn island]

Yeah, that's true, but like, if I'm getting 78, which isn't amazing but reasonable, then the pull size/cadence can't be that far off? It was also rookery which has...really not a lot of variability.

[unborn island]

Think you run out eventually even with good play? If I had a bombsuit or mud I would consider taking it for that in 15+

[sweet summit]

I don't know anything about these dungeons and stuff but if you miss timer by a few seconds it's usually never dps, but deaths, that are causing the depletes. if you have a clean run and still miss timer by a few seconds i'd be a bit concerned

[wicked pollen]

maybe but this assume you cant communicat ewith healer

at a certain point you need to track healer cds to rotate with them

[unborn island]

To be clear, I'm not saying these guys were for sure bad players, the run was remarkably clean, which is the only reason I looked at it.

We had 4 deaths all of which were at lower impact times. (Very end of first pull to orb, very end of lust pull, one at end of 2nd boss when he was on 3% and one in the room after 2nd boss because someone stood in a circle.

We missed the timer by almost exactly 1 minute, so those deaths were the cause, but we only time by like 2s or something if no deaths, so that's why I looked.

[sweet summit]

is more aggressive routing possible?

[unborn island]

Mmm, probably, it's not a premade though. Just more a frustrating pug, you know when you play it well and it feels like you should've timed it but just...didn't and you want to know why 🙂

[unborn island]

Oh for sure, it's pretty easy with a priest and voice so you can fill downtime with PS etc

Or using my lovely 'PS' macro 🙂

[wicked pollen]

i cant remember if the inital hit also does a lot of damage

[unborn island]

It's not huge, but not trivial either

Not like electrocrush

[wicked pollen]

that boss is funny

i was just never pressing a wall on my dk for every crush

and i just lived

[sweet summit]

yeah that's one of the problems with pugs you kinda just roll the dice... you kinda just have to improve where you can and hope your group are able to carry their own weight at least

[ionic fern]

Welcome back @sweet summit ?

[wicked pollen]

i think wcl makes keys parses lower if you dont time

[sweet summit]

nuhuh

i'm just saying hi 👋

[unborn island]

Oh interesting

[ionic fern]

Good bye, Erga?

[sweet summit]

[lofty glen]

i see everyone doing alot of self heal as prot but dont know how. i only get like 400-500k overall selfheal in 12/13+. can you tell me why?

[sudden lynx]

Could be tough to see without logs, maybe they run indomitable? I think that counts for self heal

Could be they have more leech but I'm not sure how big a diff that would make

[lofty glen]

watched yodas 17 prio and he nearly did 1 mio

[sudden lynx]

What is your healing coming from?

[sweet summit]

you'll do more "healing" if you take more damage

through indom/leech/ip

[sudden lynx]

Could also be that pulls die quicker in your runs (e.g. if keys are lower than yodas lol) so you have less heal uptime

[ionic nimbus]

You heal via Leech and IP, if you dont get enough dmg Input, you can not heal that much

[cerulean tusk]

Maybe they use more IP and less shieldblock? Thinking it is better than mitigateing it
I have no idea what my HPS is, I just don't die

[lofty glen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tQh3vkgcZ71GX2mN?fight=10&playermetric=playerscore

[ionic nimbus]

Pls remove indom!

[cerulean tusk]

Why you become a fake rat in a hat?

[ionic nimbus]

That’s Not a rat

[cerulean tusk]

I know you ain't, why you faking it

[lofty glen]

well i got told that IP is int to use lol

[cerulean tusk]

IP is purely a ragedump in 95% of cases

[ionic nimbus]

That’s my face every vault

[cerulean tusk]

Smh

Imagine not looking like

[lucid mica]

I saw in a sense's video that he sometimes go into damage stance mid pull to use demolish, is this noticeable in damage or a super min max that i should not even consider?

[cerulean tusk]

Super minmaxing

[ionic nimbus]

Thats super minmaxing

[lucid mica]

Alright i forget then

[sudden lynx]

I think this is the case when damage intake is manageable without breaking IP before capping rage, but if your IP is perma running out and you take a bunch of damage its better to use IP even though you lose dps

[sudden lynx]

I think its good

[sweet summit]

why

[sudden lynx]

Free damage

(provided you can live ofc)

[cerulean tusk]

Make a macro to go into bstance on demolish, then one to go back to dstance on shield lock

[sudden lynx]

I try to go into bstance in avatar as well for extra oomph

Haven't gone past 12s yet though so might not be super applicable higher up

[cerulean tusk]

To get the 3% crit is super minmaxing tho, I wouldn't call it more than very dam minmax

[lofty glen]

hmmm okay. well i farmed tome last days so i have a "def" trinked but sometimes i gek completly ducked

[sudden lynx]

I mean I guess but it's so easy to do

Press button for free damage ykwim

[sudden lynx]

A general rule imo is that if you have ip, or are close to getting it from violent outburst, and you're not about to die, hit revenge instead

[sudden lynx]

And if you're not about to cap rage ofc

[ionic nimbus]

Absolutly not worth anymore to pick it. Very expensive Point with almost Zero benefit…

[lofty glen]

okay. also thinked to change some talents

[sudden lynx]

For talents it might be best to follow wowhead, people here get real weird about talent builds lol

They bring out snarky replies from people for some reason

[lofty glen]

nah i dont get along with wowhead talents. already changed some and it works better

i think about to change unstopable force to immo

[hazy lake]

Is mountain thane better to dps lower end keys like 10 and below?

[jagged pier]

Nope, its never better for dps period

Its close in ST tho

[hazy lake]

I see

[sudden lynx]

That's fine, do what works best in practice

[sudden lynx]

I think immovable object is the default for most: I run it myself and I think it's actually the pick on wowhead as well

Lets you get avatar on demand for demolish as well which is nice

Since you can just press shield wall right before demolish and get like 3s Avatar

Looked at my own talents and where I've diverged from wowhead is: Honed reflexes instead of intervene and battle-scarred veteran instead of indomitable

[ionic nimbus]

Playing thane or col?

[sudden lynx]

And thats kind of it

[sudden lynx]

I play colossus

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah as col there is no benefit from instopable force. Buffing a spell you dont want to press… and you r right, the proccs from Avatar r great, proccing sw with Avatar is even better..

[lofty glen]

mby thats my issue cause i startet with the MT build and just swapped the hero talents. i also have speer and not roar. is roar better?

[sudden lynx]

I prefer roar myself but I think theyre interchangable

Roar is nice for snap threat and is just a nice button imo

[lofty glen]

well you have more rage in a smol period of time with speer. idk 😄

[ionic nimbus]

Roar is nice to handle. Revenge is a shitty cone frontal with a short range. Thus TR is great when you are gathering packs

[sudden lynx]

Yeah it's preference

[lofty glen]

well for gethering i use revenger XD

and some are dodging revenger to skill ohter things

[sudden lynx]

Idk I haven't simmed it but onstoppable force is fine as well I reckon, nothing wrong with more damage if you can stay alive anyway

Though I'm not entirely convinced buffing TC is more damage than more avatar

[ionic nimbus]

It’s more dmg to TC, that’s Not worth

[lofty glen]

i also love disrupting shout and not alot play it

[lucid mica]

But you dont want to press TC

[sudden lynx]

Meh, you're obviously going to during a dungeon

Like I said idk which is more damage, but if you're staying alive (and maybe running a bit lower keys) and unstoppable force is more dmg then I dont mind that pick at all

[sudden lynx]

Disrupting shout can be reallyyyy good, especially when playing with randoms/without VC

I don't pick it myself bc I kinda want do max damage, but it can definitely be very handy to have an aoe kick

[lucid mica]

Yes but not much during avatar as you dont want to lose revenge/SS uses in tc gcds, and you lose avatar flexibility to send with demolish, i cant imagine it doing more damage but who knows

[sudden lynx]

Yeah idk either, like I said before I have also opted to run immo myself as well

[lofty glen]

well i thinked to dropp it cause i have a boomie that plays with me but especially final boss in ToP to get every 2nd ghost phase kicked and aggro at the same time is crazy

what are you running instead?

thunderlord is more for metigation no?

[sudden lynx]

show of force, more revenge damage

[lofty glen]

oh ok

[sudden lynx]

Yeah I don't run thunderlord ever in colossus tbh after they nerfed demo shout

[lofty glen]

but why is it bad?

[sudden lynx]

It's not BAD necessarily, but like others have mentioned, thunderclap is kind of a low-prio button in the first place, and the payoff is faster demo shout which now gives only 20 rage

[ionic nimbus]

Saw a couple of the Chinese high key runners playing TL

[sudden lynx]

So it's not horrible but other talents are better imo unless you REALLY need the DR

[lofty glen]

mby cause they realy need the rage and defensive 😄 XD

[lofty glen]

well i realy need it XD cinderbrew and motherload (3rd boss) are owning my ass XD

i am just not good in handling bleed debuffs

[sudden lynx]

Oh does demo shout mitigate bleeds? I figured it doesnt

Unless maybe it snapshots the debuff when the mob casts it?

[lofty glen]

well i cast it before the bleed and it feels like it mits the dmg

what are you doing as def when you are stacking bleed?

cinder 1st pull kills me

[sudden lynx]

Tbh I don't even really use demo for DR I send it right away for damage and rage

[sudden lynx]

Last stand, shield wall, pray for heals

Impending victory if I'm being cooked

[ionic nimbus]

Shockwave before restacking or dwarf

[sudden lynx]

Health pot/healthstone in emergencies etc etc you get the idea

[ionic nimbus]

You have to prevent restack at some point

[sudden lynx]

Should be managable well before you get to this point though

[lofty glen]

you cant shockwave them

so heroic leap away like a pussy and run? XD

[sudden lynx]

Naw just defensive and have healer with hands ig

Kind of like priory first boss

Do what you can, if you've used what you're supposed to then it's something that needs external help

[lofty glen]

1st boss is easy handly for me with my cd´s but not cinderbrew causei dont hav cd´s anymore after the 1st pull

[sudden lynx]

I've never really died to bleeds in cinderbrew while the healer is alive though

[sudden lynx]

How big is the first pull that you're running out of defensives? Maybe it's a key level thing but I dont think that's happened to me

[lofty glen]

can you link me your rio or warcraft logs so i can compare me with you on cd management?

[ionic nimbus]

Depends how big is your 1st pull, hoe good are your dps. The best tank is Running out of defensives when packs are living way to long

[sudden lynx]

Usually a death in first room for me is from DPS ninjapulling too many mobs

[lofty glen]

1st half of the room

[lofty glen]

this too

[lofty glen]

i am 90% pugging and i dont hav luck with randos 😄

[sudden lynx]

Me?

[ionic nimbus]

How many big guys are in your pull and r u adding big Cook chompchomp in your first pull? Which key level?

[lofty glen]

yes you 😄

[sudden lynx]

I'll check if I even have a meadery logged lol I dont really post my own logs

So my only logs are posted by others

[lofty glen]

lvl 13 not the cook and 2 or 3 big guys

[sudden lynx]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/q6my2XvgfPjCHaMT?fight=20&type=summary This is my highest meadery run (+11), it was pretty messy but might roughly be okay?

[lofty glen]

just the half right side of the room

[ionic nimbus]

Dont pull to many big guys

Not only a problem for you to survive. Your Heal will struggle with the debuff

[jagged gust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BFfnX2MpwJ7VP6cm?fight=109&type=damage-done

Neat, found a log of mine at the same key level a day later than yours

[ionic nimbus]

Good and pug friendly way is Right side with Lust. (2 big guys) 2nd pull is chompchomp with some smallies for funnel and left side as 3rd pull ( you can safe one pack for bossfunnel)

In a 13 you dont need to overpull. Mostly its leading to wipes or at least a couple of deaths

[lofty glen]

okay thx.

and last question. i have pacemaker and tome. i want another good def trinked. which one is good?

[ionic nimbus]

Bombsuit from gal

If u need a def

[sudden lynx]

Wait sorry how the hell do you have only two shield charge casts but they did 100m per hit on average 😭

[lofty glen]

bigger on hero than other on mythtrac? thinking about to buy it end of the month

[ionic nimbus]

The one from FG is not good

[jagged gust]

SC casts are absolutely broken in logs

[ionic nimbus]

Got mud on myhtic and it’s worse than my hc suit

[jagged gust]

ah that reminds me, I forgot to trade my guildie who was gonna pass the suit to me

[sweet summit]

this spec fell off

[sharp gale]

2 hired muscle first pull, no chewie, it was a 14 ( I did my regular +10 route, no skip)

If I see someone pull 3 hired muscle and I don’t heal, I just want to already leave the key

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah that has to be planned before

[sudden lynx]

Based take

Spec too domitable = unplayable

I see the vision

[sharp gale]

I filled my vault yesterday, the only key i depleted was cinderbrew, I saw he took the left pack I facepalmed myself bc I knew what will happen (we obviously died just after and someone left)

[ionic nimbus]

Feeling that

[sharp gale]

In 10 I prefer the 1 by 1 pack pug tank over the MDI pulls dude

[jagged gust]

1 by 1 pack tanking should be banned as a form of torture

[ionic nimbus]

Same as chaining packs leading to Last second debuff stacking.. a lot of people can not Imagine what it means to heal pugs

[sharp gale]

It is torture, but in my pug 10s I prefer torture over quick and swift death

[ionic nimbus]

It’s way more pain than tanking pugs

[sharp gale]

In the first weeks I died multiple time on the second pull of cinderbrew bc I was chainpulling (and bleed didn’t fall off)

[jagged gust]

When your HP suddenly drops by 40% in one tick

https://tenor.com/view/chuckles-im-in-danger-ralph-wiggum-the-simpsons-gif-14149962

[ionic nimbus]

Absolute in love with pug dps using their 20% dr defensives at 20% life

And then blaming the heal for dying with defensive

[waxen frigate]

“Oh shit button” Andy’s

[frosty mango]

This is why I play priest

See the tank getting itchy and about to pull the next pack to chain it and he gets yoinked

Nope

[solid sun]

Sometimes people just don't know what they don't know

I've encountered so many people this season who just had no idea that the candle elemental boss in darkflame cranks whenever it does that breath aoe that blows out all the candles

Just gotta hope they learn

[lusty grotto]

you a good one roid

not to be confused by the priest that never talents grip

so they cant yoink the dumb idiot boomkins that cant do DFC skip, even though they can shadowstep with kitty charge or w/e

and go "hey its soothed you can get close" and either completely forget that they are priests so they can get close to soothed targets or they just dont know

not kitty charge

[dusky canopy]

Oddly specific

[frosty mango]

Grip always talented

[lusty grotto]

on that same run

its very likely

that the group had an arcane mage and a boomkin

and obviously wiped on candle king

[frosty mango]

I only ever dfc skip with a lock, people just can’t seem to grasp how to do it otherwise, even in like 14-15

[lusty grotto]

and the tank may have said "hey guys remember you can get close to moleherds so you dont eat throw rocks, cause you two ranged were just eating them"

and then got removed

but it was a done key anyway

btw that key may have been a 15

just saying, it happens

[frosty mango]

some people are just a little reactive. I got flamed on my hunter in top because I pinged something

The tank says “are you a tank ?!?!?” And I’m like “well actually….i mean yes?”

He finishes the run at 900k dps as prot war at 667 and his disc priest friend also flaming me cast shield 6 times the entire dungeon.

Sometimes you just gotta realize it ain’t the hill to die on

[lusty grotto]

the only way im annoyed with pings is they are serial pingers

pinging everything

[round pendant]

that's when I right click my neural silencer

[lusty grotto]

but more if they spam ping shit thats not on my route

[frosty mango]

I pinged a gorechop to let them know they were getting close and we’re gonna ass pull

I literally pinged once

The entire dungeon lol

[lusty grotto]

lol

[frosty mango]

You also prob don’t serial pull packs and keep everyone in combat for 7 minutes

[lusty grotto]

i mean thats helpful

[round pendant]

only in the tunnel in workshop

[lusty grotto]

sir but what about my Kezan

i dont have one, yet

[round pendant]

I hate those moments when there's like 2 mobs left over and they're taking forever to die

[frosty mango]

You deserve to do poop dps if you’re running kezan

CMV

[lusty grotto]

how dare you

i feel that way too tbh

"this is taking fucking forever, fuck it im chain pulling another pack"

[round pendant]

I was doing that a lot in one dungeon and then remembered I had a sin rogue in my party

he probably hated my guts

[frosty mango]

I have a little cell indicator that shows when the rogue drops combat

So I know when I can go

It will say VANISH or SHADOWMELD on the frame if they cast it at the end of a pull so I know I can just go, otherwise I try to wait like half a second

[solid sun]

I hate when havoc demon hunters ping packs that aren’t in my route and hit the question mark spam in chat just so we can finish the weekly 10 with like nearly 10 minutes to spare and they’re the only ones who got points from the dungeon, leading to speculation that they had the least experience with successfully timing the key swiftly

[frosty mango]

They just wanna eye beam bro

Been using cell a lot more while tanking to try to up my party game

Definitely helps on intervene use

[solid sun]

I used it for intervene

Now I talented out of it but kept cell

[round pendant]

you don't really have to wait ime

playing sin I can just restealth after pretty much every pack, even if the tank pulls more

as long as he doesn't pull when there's some mob left up that'll get dragged into it

[frosty mango]

Yes that’s generally how I use it

Like if there one mob left I’ll start rolling and if it’s not dead by the time I’m ready to gather the next pack if I don’t see a vanish or a meld I’ll wait

[round pendant]

what a nice tank

[frosty mango]

I’d rather not have my rogue do 11 dps because I didn’t wanna wait 5 seconds

[solid sun]

Did you know that cell shows green arrows that zoom across the party frame if they used a lock cookie?

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats the one i get annoyed on the most, especially if they keep doing it

[frosty mango]

Yep it also does this for health pots and other consumables

[solid sun]

I get so excited when I see it

[round pendant]

I hate +10ers acting like I need to do some hyper optimal route

I timed my +13 priory with a completely botched route with 4 minutes to spare

[solid sun]

I timed my 12 priory with 30 seconds to spare :(

[round pendant]

clearly your route wasn't good enough

git gud

[frosty mango]

I do a weekly mythic+ event in guild where I teach folks key strategies etc - this is the first thing I teach them always

Dps is almost never the issue. Keys get bricked by risk

Unless you’re doing high high keys then 99% of the time you will time the key if you go at a consistent non-risky pace

[round pendant]

in 12s, most bricks are just people throwing on bosses

[frosty mango]

IMO almost all bricks are either tanks using bad/overly risky pulls and people who do not use kicks and stops

[solid sun]

Very true. I’ve been trying to drive this point home with some of my friends who want to do these risky pulls when they’re still getting comfortable hitting 2500ish. Just isn’t needed right now

[frosty mango]

Unless you’re in like 14 and up you can do like 2m overall dps and time keys as long as you kick/stop and don’t die a lot

[solid sun]

Rather them spend their energy worrying about using interrupts and defensives than worrying about whatever route they saw on a Dorki stream

[frosty mango]

I also explain that when they see people like yoda doing these massive pulls there’s a lot of stuff happening they are not picking up on. Like group positioning to move mobs, specific kicks and stops chained highly effectively, cooldown alignment etc

They don’t just pull 6 packs and blow it up with massive dps, the massive dps is a byproduct of everything else they’re executing that most people are not really reading into

Watching yodas group last season do nec wake was a thing of beauty

[solid sun]

I don’t even know what any of them are doing

I’m not sure I want to know. Might mean I’ve achieved some new tier of enlightenment in WoW and then all the mistakes my friends and myself make would be even more highlighted

[frosty mango]

Last tier in nec wake they root a cleaver guy strategically behind a pillar then move so they are out of Los with it so it can’t do anything, blow up the pack, then move etc - each pack keeping rotated out of Los with the rooted guy

Then they mc him and use the cleaver on the boss to do massive damage

They do this entire dungeon - strategically placing the add, rooting it, mcing for boss

It seems so simple on paper but to execute something like that gracefully is a level of group play literally almost no one in the game is pulling off

[solid sun]

I said I didn’t wanna know!

No means no, Roid!

[frosty mango]

Well I put it in your brain and now you can’t take it out

Relatively speaking on the cosmic scale of wow, we are all bads

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-theres-always-a-bigger-fish-the-phantom-menace-gif-15951236

[solid sun]

Watching mdi yesterday was so funny

Even within the context of the participants it doesn’t necessarily seem that even in terms of skill

[tender zealot]

It's a full time job for some

[ionic nimbus]

Pingsystem is a great gain, but some players are not worth for that amount of power...

[harsh trellis]

I wanted to enjoy the MDI but I wish it was edited a little differently

[unique pike]

does anyone know if fueled by violence is viable at all?

[strong forum]

maybe in ultra pulls where IP legit falls off every second on high keys

but generally it performs worse

[unique pike]

i've seen yoda use it in his 17 priory, but i don't see pretty much any top player use it on raider

[strong forum]

fbv is just easier to gauge cuz it shows up on details and logs

beyond that theres very little speaking in favour of it

[frosty mango]

I tried it out and while it seemed like it did a good bit of healing but definitely felt the ip loss in some areas - basically anything with rot