if its from completing everything at +12 or +15 would be fun
#protection
dense remnant
shut summit
it's fine for a first pass at changing keystones but hope it gets some passes, i ain't no dev so ain't gonna armchair
warm plinth
That's fair
solid sun
Sorry, Sense. You’re a dev now
peak iron
having something for alts at a lower key level would be pretty nice tbh
warm plinth
Well yam, I know before resilient, a lot of people wanted something like the greater rift system in d3
peak iron
seems like its basically like diablo GRs but without the infinite levels/scaling? maybe i'm not fully understanding it
lol yeah
warm plinth
Your idea sounds kind of like that
knotty pewter
Maybe something like 3 charges on the key before it depletes.
round pendant
never played d3 so
warm plinth
Basically you go into a grift at say level 50
round pendant
seems like its basically like diablo GRs but without the infinite levels/scaling...
yeah it'd infinitely scale
peak iron
gotcha yeah
warm plinth
You complete in time, you can now do 51
round pendant
well blizz already invented the perfect system then
idk why they don't just use that
warm plinth
Or if someone who has unlocked 70 brings you to one, and you do it in time, you can now do 71 solo
round pendant
hmm
Ig you could make it so you can't join keys you haven't unlocked the potential to run yourself
peak iron
idk why they don't just use that
blizzard took a few years to make diablo 3 fun (it became really fun) and then forgot all those lessons for diablo 4 so i cant say its surprising
general opinion on your proposal notwithstanding
they also often have their own perspectives as developers as to why things should be a certain way in wow even if players feel differently
"you think you do but you dont" type of thing
solid sun
I like d4
peak iron
i've heard it is much improved now but when i played it on launch i was personally disappointed, but im just some dude with an opinion so nbd lol
stiff gate
personally keystones in general could go completely imo. Just let me go to whatever dungeon I want, select what level I wanna do it (up to +1 from my highest timed) and do it however many times I want. Challenge modes didn't have this weird "random roll the dungeon you wanna do and only get 1 chance" and they were super fun. Doing record level CM runs was insanely fun because you were always doing the craziest version of the dungeon you could come up with and trying to optimize every gcd of a given pull to make it possible.
covert sentinel
hi, recently started my warrior again. everything feels slow (11k haste maybe?) how do we setup pulls/get aggro at start now? my thunderclap has 5 seconds cooldown now and im confused...can someone give me tipps or direct me towards a guide or something? thx in advance
stiff gate
is there a consensus on Pacemaker vs Tome in keys (assuming my 2nd trinket is mud or bombsuit because im scared)
granite zephyr
Personal peference really. Are you confident managing Tome verses? If you keep it crit + damage I've had it do 7-10% of my overall which is pretty strong
If you're missing verse changes constantly then maybe go pacemaker
jolly crystal
Tome is a lot more work to manage but I think it outperforms pacemake if you can keep on top of it
granite zephyr
Agreed
jolly crystal
I use this to track it
stiff gate
i dont really have an issue with managing it, i have the weakaura
i just saw a number of top warriors playing pacemaker in some dungeons
granite zephyr
We're they playing pace + tome though?
jolly crystal
I use tome and Pacemaker pretty much all the time atm
Especially since I got tome in my vault this week 🙂
granite zephyr
Niiiice
stiff gate
We're they playing pace + tome though?
some were, but some were playing pace/bombsuit
granite zephyr
Maybe just depends what people have had drop, took me 56 runs on priory to get tome on my DH
round pendant
jolly crystal
hi, recently started my warrior again. everything feels slow (11k haste maybe?) ...
Heroic throw at one thing, charge another, Thunderclap> Avatar > thunder blast > thunder blast After that revenge frontal damage should pick up anything else in melee range.
Avatar resets Thunderclap CD and gives you 2 charges of Thunderblast if you're running as Mountain Thane
tribal wharf
how come druids cant shape shift ape
i know wolf is forbidden shape shift for reasons
dense remnant
Heroic throw at one thing, charge another, Thunderclap> Avatar > thunder blast >...
also dont forget to just let bad dps die to aggro
jolly crystal
also dont forget to just let bad dps die to aggro
By default I try not to 😄
But if you start pulling stuff "for me" you are 100% on your own
dense remnant
some ppl just need to die a few times to aggro cos they blew their load on the first 3 mobs that are close to each other
frosty mango
is there a consensus on Pacemaker vs Tome in keys (assuming my 2nd trinket is mu...
The consensus is use pacemaker and tome together until you get to a high enough level to need the defense and then imo it’s a wash
I personally keep tome because it’s more controllable
stiff gate
im working on 16 resil right now, dont feel very comfortable running double dps trinkets, which was why i was asking
frosty mango
Oh then yeah, imo keep tome because you can control the proc to keep the crit (and thus parry) rolling
With pacemaker you’re just kind of at its mercy
stiff gate
could probably still get away with it in certain keys like workshop or motherlode where very few things actually do much tank damage but playing it safe just seems better, we rarely deplete to low damage
frosty mango
If you’re at 16s I don’t think the damage diff from a trinket on a tank is gonna impact your overall
As much as you getting gibbed on a pull or getting blasted by some bullshit rot
So for what it’s worth I’m with you
stiff gate
yeah most of our depletes are either dps trickle dying over the course of a dungeon and racking up 2mins of death timer, or i get smacked in the back and die instantly gathering a big pull like an idiot
frosty mango
yeah most of our depletes are either dps trickle dying over the course of a dung...
Charge will also get you hit in the back I find
stiff gate
yeah super annoying when you charge a mob and it runs THROUGH you to punch you in the back while you're traveling to it
frosty mango
I started backing up immediately after charging and I stopped getting clipped so much
Or if I can I’ll leap over a pack and then charge back to the first one so I’m back to “in front”
But yeah that’s super irritating
covert sentinel
Heroic throw at one thing, charge another, Thunderclap> Avatar > thunder blast >...
thx
ill try that
mighty valley
ill try that
are you playing mountain thane or colossus?
covert sentinel
will try thane
mighty valley
it's easier to play, good for getting used to it
then can switch to colossus for the big damage
main thistle
Guys should i use slam as single target dmg in m+? or just revenge even in single?
warm plinth
whirlwind is also never pressed right?
Correct
round pendant
do I even need to do skips for cinderbrew +12
ionic fern
Nope.
round pendant
yeah pugging
ionic fern
You can tag the patrol into 7.
round pendant
whenever I've tried skippin that corner pack in pugs someone dies and then pulls it running back
so I just don't wanna do skips for 12s lmao
warm plinth
Hi @ionic fern ily hope you're well
ionic fern
Heei,hope you are too.
solid sun
You don’t have to pull that pack in 9 away from the door
You don’t have to use any abilities or consumables to walk by them after killing the boss
Idk if that counts as a skip or not but y’know
peak ocean
How is prot warrior doing overall right now?
shut summit
good
pallid quiver
To be honest, pretty much all the tanks are sitting at least at good territory at the moment
Unless you're optimizing for some real edge content (Pretty much high M+ keys only afaik, don't think raid hard requires classes that bad right now), you can play whatever and should be fine.
community perception as a whole is that we're dog water and can barely limp across a +(Insert random key level here that person perceives is low) since we're not the meta #1 pick
peak ocean
No I’m not planning to push or anything I just want to not be trolling my group
pallid quiver
The only way to troll your group as any tank atm is to just literally fail the content
peak ocean
lol that’s good to know
pallid quiver
As long as you are playing the content, you don't even have to play any tank spec that well. Once you go higher, you need to start playing the spec decently enough, as well.
patent scroll
Setting stuff up for Warr, are there any meaningful procs for Revenge or Ignore Pain that I should track that would actually change how I play in the situation?
small steeple
Track violent outburst, spend it on SS
gives ignore pain, more damage, topn of rage
only other proc is Revenge!
which makes revenge free
patent scroll
Yeah but I kinda assume that the free revenge won't really change anything, you'd still just send it if you're going to revenge and having it cost 0 wouldn't really change much?
wicked pollen
wait vo gives ip
pallid quiver
It costing 0 rage can actually hurt sometimes, technically
wicked pollen
wicked pollen
me when i dont pay attetnion
pallid quiver
wtb SL addition where pressing Avatar instantly gave you outburst
which means it also gave you IP
small steeple
ah, banner warrior. Those were the days
chilly brook
How is prot warrior doing overall right now?
it's probably the second best tank in keys
peak ocean
I do like the idea of big damage as tank
peak ocean
I like warrior mobility. I had heard prot was pretty good for damage but idk
Will read the pins. Thanks for the input
round pendant
never had a problem with that pull
I just pull in the other knight once the other one aoes once
indigo hawk
it's not opti but you can do it like that yeah
round pendant
yeah I just wanna time the key and I ain't going higher than 13s
I feel like knight + miniboss is harder than that way with the knights
wicked pollen
not really
indigo hawk
yeah you are right but not working for higher because you lose a lot of time
wicked pollen
the disrupting part about the knights is very annoying
round pendant
do you grab an extra pack of shooters with the miniboss then?
wicked pollen
let me find a route i do
indigo hawk
do you grab an extra pack of shooters with the miniboss then?
No, just not the middle one but the top one
wicked pollen
i might explode trying to do this a phone
indigo hawk
prob the pull 5 is risky too but doable
wicked pollen
most people avoid going down stairs
and do the guys to the righ of the miniboss
idk i cant do this on a phone
gg
solid sun
I don’t like double holy elemental thing
Double purification laser and double heal circle seems risky
round cliff
I feel like knight + miniboss is harder than that way with the knights
miniboss only rly does damage to tank
but double knight fucks mortal men
pallid quiver
the disrupting part about the knights is very annoying
sounds like a caster problem
quick elk
Been spamming priory for trinket at 7-8 , so I may have got a bit complacent when I went in at a 10.
All the pulls I did were fine. But second boss hurt me more than I thought.
And last boss pugs were telling me little adds have an aggro table. But I couldn’t seem to get them off ppl.
Any tips?
pallid quiver
miniboss only rly does damage to tank
thunder clap does aoe damage to everyone
It gets uncomfortable in higher keys
round cliff
healer problem ig
pallid quiver
Been spamming priory for trinket at 7-8 , so I may have got a bit complacent whe...
Pugs be wrong
They fixate on random people and have to be CC'd/DPS'd down on last boss
Second boss shouldn't hurt too bad unless you soak multiple times without proper CD prep
solid sun
They also die to a dot they have so if your group has the ability to hold them at bay (like ring of peace or vortex) they kinda just fall over
pallid quiver
really almost anything other than "Run directly into the adds" is a valid solution
lusty grotto
pro tip
if you have a shaman
have them root the adds downstairs, they die by themselves
or if you have a monk, put RoP at the base of the stairs, does the same thing
small steeple
or druit with vortex, or monk with RoP
lusty grotto
if properly timed
quick elk
Good to know I’ll stop stressing when I see ppl dying now.
I was just using shield wall when I soaked , soak 2 and shield wall. I didn’t die. But i did feel very squishy. Like one mistake and i was dead. On lower keys i was just laughing through the fight
small steeple
or dh with Sigil of Misery
lusty grotto
any cc really
lusty grotto
thats aoe, obviously
small steeple
there's options out there, people just don't always thing of em
lusty grotto
oh shit Rhino mentioned it
solid sun
Lmao
small steeple
burn'
solid sun
True
Tbf I literally just figured my message wasn’t clear enough
“I guess my message sucked cause they’re both just repeating me.”
solid sun
lol
round pendant
lmao my priory +13 route was so scuffed
cause of the patrol timings I didn't know what to do
so I just winged it
4 min under timer ezpz
died on first boss right at the end cause healer was struggling and my shield wall was like 1 second from coming off cd
then I look at the casts and he only pressed pain suppression twice in the entire dungeon
patent scroll
Hm, does Prot have no way of breaking roots? Avatar/Shield Wall because it procs avatar?
lusty grotto
correct
and there aint no way youre using those to get out of a root, unless youre in mortal danger
lusty grotto
ara kara
round pendant
the one with the sucky suck black hole lady at the end
yeah
I like how you just knew
lusty grotto
well sometimes youre expecting ret paladins to freedom you, but 80% of them are oblivious to it
so i just leap/intervene out, but in a pinch you can just avatar
round pendant
I can remember one instance where I had a ret paladin actually use that shit
it was so nice
tribal wharf
i beat "we have doom 2016 at home"
round pendant
gz yogi
tribal wharf
honestly thats what it is, or "doom for kids"
solid sun
Sometimes I’d try to leap out of that black hole and I guess I’d miss time it because she’d suck me in
tribal wharf
game is amazing, you kill things and they blow up paints the entire room with blood
solid sun
Thankfully I never pushed too high so I could live the black hole
harsh patio
Any yall still run mountain thane? Or is it basically dead comapfed to collossus?
pallid quiver
It can still do content fine, it just does less damage
harsh patio
A lot less?
harsh patio
Ouch
Too much less lol
Shame, im a fan of the flavor
Closest thing to our retail shammy tank xD
small steeple
i guess they figured it out
saw somone say in arms its like 1.5% buff st lol
small steeple
stupid thats what. And frost mage buff is strong too. All 3 mage specs are gonna be meta level
lusty grotto
yeah i dont even know what theyre thinking with paladins, its been 3 weeks of buffs
small steeple
They gotta appease the masses of the most played spec
small steeple
fairly large in aoe, and probably gonna hit blood dk too
wraith ibex
Can someone explain the spell reflect tech for mechagon workshop final boss?
small steeple
but its a st buff I think
lusty grotto
Can someone explain the spell reflect tech for mechagon workshop final boss?
his autos are reflectables in p1
but he only does 2 nukes in between mechs
same as it was in BFA
and DF S4
wraith ibex
his autos are reflectables in p1
so spell reflect on CD?
lusty grotto
BFA dungeons are always good for reflect
uhh no
you dont wanna do that
you wanna just look at his cast bar
small steeple
paladin also should be able to reflect a spell
nah they got rid of that in sl, or df. I remember prohet Skitra on nyalotha with mastery stacking prot pal
tribal wharf
doesnt mean i come back yet
lusty grotto
tribal wharf
apparently is chance assrock mobo fry 9800x3d
soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
maybe wait for better board.... use this one for budget build
tribal wharf
but, i never have those types of issues typically
lusty grotto
it was all over any pc builders communities and tech jesus also did a vid on it
tribal wharf
like i only ever one time had to return a motherboard
i hear they crap out all the time for others
lusty grotto
ive actually never had a bad mobo
ive had some that didnt last as long as others, but not day 0
tribal wharf
i'll get a 7500f and some cheap ram call it a day, i have a case ready to go
kinda
i have too many computer
i have always liked asrock board
sorry it was twice i returned mobo but that was cuz it was causing issues with rgb
round pendant
They're buffing ret in preparation for the 1 button rotation
tribal wharf
conflicts
round pendant
to counter the 0.3s gcd nerf
tribal wharf
1 only ever died, and i never had a fantastical gpu or cpu or psu explosin
so its like, this shit doesnt scare me for the most part lmao
but i like to wait till i have the parts
literal just a am5 frame im waiting on
round pendant
paladin also should be able to reflect a spell
yeah just let them do fucking everything and do top dps and be unkillable
tribal wharf
thats the blizzard moto, buff the paladin
tribal wharf
and we give them charge.intervene as well
restores 20% mana
i might just use my current pc guts in this cheapo case i got
till i have board i feel safe on, probably build it but never turn it on maybe, who knows shame about it
have brand new 2024 psu for it, so probably safe
pallid quiver
paladin also should be able to reflect a spell
I think Paladins should be able to reflect spells, but it only reflects onto allies for 300% damage
tribal wharf
that could be peak for holy paladin
spell gets targeted at you, you reflect it, reflect negates it and turns it into magical healing falls on everyone
pallid quiver
no i mean it fucking kills your party mates
tribal wharf
thats redirect then
lusty grotto
I think Paladins should be able to reflect spells, but it only reflects onto all...
after minimal decision, ive decided to award you my upvote
tribal wharf
and when like, you do spirit wolf as a shaman, they are overpowered as fuck
round pendant
REMOVE TARGET CAPS
tribal wharf
like in wc3
tribal wharf
like, thats what i want its like, you are like overpowered wc3 hero
and you got a few buttons so like half what we got right now, discussed it in past
lusty grotto
thats the blizzard moto, buff the paladin
no, its buff the mage or warlock
tribal wharf
druid
lusty grotto
no
tribal wharf
4 specs
lusty grotto
its buff the mage or warlock
tribal wharf
no other class in the game has 4 specs
lusty grotto
doesnt matter, blizzard moto is still buff the mage or warlock
tribal wharf
and a bunch of special modes for the transforms
look at dragons and dh to lesser extent for who got screwed on the transforms
lusty grotto
still buff the mage or warlock
tribal wharf
what has warrior ever got exclusive
i would say give us super sayan but we got ss1 with avatar
and its very temp
vague abyss
i have a question, when crafting a 1-hand weapon*, does it matter which one i craft? mace/sword/axe?
small steeple
i have a question, when crafting a 1-hand weapon*, does it matter which one i cr...
no
round pendant
love how playing alts when none of your friends want to be the tankbitch is just impossible
pallid quiver
Looks like it's the gun for you
frosty mango
I think Paladins should be able to reflect spells, but it only reflects onto all...
they already have this
willow edge
in the 1 key I can get in per hour
The joys when you want to play Dps for once
frosty mango
its called tempered in battle my hpal cohealer kills me with it at least twice a raid night
frosty mango
god I need something to scream at me to use my tempered pots
do you not notice yourself doing shit dps in real time
your damage meter should be huge and directly in the middle of your screen, so you cant miss it
like this
unique gale
🤣
sharp gale
love how playing alts when none of your friends want to be the tankbitch is just...
If it’s 3 am in your local time I can be a tank bitch, I have vaults to fill
My ass rogue always wait the weekend to kidnap a friend to tank 8 dungeons
grave hazel
question, been fortunate in drops ive got a 665 eye of kezan and 665 improvised seaforium pacemaker. i just got a 658 tome of lights devotion. thoughts on which ones to run? i had been running the first two and now contemplating the tome since it seems really good.
new to prot but having fun
chilly brook
Fixed a bug causing Shield Charge to deal damage extra times or to targets near their starting position.
So uhhh
- how long has this existed
round cliff
question, been fortunate in drops ive got a 665 eye of kezan and 665 improvised ...
i am upset that this new prot player has everything ive been wanting all season
chilly brook
- how much impact is that
round cliff
anyways tome is better in st than aoe
eye of kezan is better on long fights OR if you chain pull in dungeons
pacemaker kinda good always
you have our 3 bis trinkets and only 2 slots to run em. unfortunate
suffering from success
grave hazel
i am upset that this new prot player has everything ive been wanting all season
i play arms and fury mostly. also have 665 capitol punisher and 665 best in slots lol
just been trying to learn prot some and do it mostly in delves and baby keys that are forgivable
round cliff
in delves u can just pull the whole damn instance n be fine
grave hazel
yeah
chilly brook
round cliff
wtf does that even mean
chilly brook
genuinely wish they'd quantify this
grave hazel
in delves u can just pull the whole damn instance n be fine
ive just been lucky with drops
lofty warren
Are the tier lists updated with the upcoming tuning uet?
shut summit
`Fixed a bug causing Shield Charge to deal damage extra times or to targets near...
i noticed it since the patch, when you charged it would play the animation where you started from and did damage / would also do it where you ended
and then if you cast shield charge from range you would get an extra hit as well
chilly brook
i noticed it since the patch, when you charged it would play the animation where...
so just something with the .5 patch then?
lusty grotto
would explain people asking about SC being bugged
and i was like uhhh
"do you mean when you collide with objects or z-axis"
and then they said nothing
lusty grotto
holy
lucid mica
Just figured that i can not pull the same way as dh bc some mobs walk past me and i have to position differently, first pulls of meadery are tricky to group at least from a low experienced pwar perspective
Watching sense's videos helps figuring this out but i still need to actively think about it, end of my non asked war update hope youre having a good night
chilly brook
Just figured that i can not pull the same way as dh bc some mobs walk past me an...
idk first pull of meadery feels fine?
lofty warren
Dh has better kit unfortunately
chilly brook
only pull that I feel is awkward really is like first pull of Rookery honestly
lucid mica
First pull yes but left after chewie not much but i was in a bad spot
lucid mica
only pull that I feel is awkward really is like first pull of Rookery honestly
That too, up to now right pull coming to me is based on hopes and dreams
chilly brook
Checked Sense's 16 on rookery and felt validated since he basically does the pull the same way I do
just feels particularly meh
lucid mica
For that kind of stuff, about pulling and not about rotation or whatever maybe i should record myself? I guess that helps in a review
lusty grotto
Just figured that i can not pull the same way as dh bc some mobs walk past me an...
btw it will help you with VDH too
cause you cant parry from back hits
so you will mitigate a lot more when RNG allows it
maybe not to a huge extent but you will likely notice it
the only drawback is youll probably overheal a lot more but thats not really a drawback tbh
lucid mica
Yes but as vdh i can tag groups with glaive or sof and at leaast they run to me, backhits have never been a problem really, i get more as pwar for sure as im less comfortable
chilly brook
yeah not having SoF is felt sometimes
lusty grotto
yeah im just saying it will help with all tanks honestly
lusty grotto
i would say to a noticeable extent, but not huge like since most of them just have armor active mit
block, parry, dodge all have the same positional requirements
so improving on prot war will influence positively on all other tanks you play
lucid mica
Yes that makes sense
btw nimchip i did my first 12 as pwar and i think it was way better than before, still a way to go in SB but all the other stuff you told me i think were better
knotty mantle
do we have a preference between scrapfield and bombsuit?
chilly brook
do we have a preference between scrapfield and bombsuit?
bomb suit is best defensive trinket in the game
mighty valley
scrapfield's a decent stat stick with an ok fallback defensive mode
bombsuit is the best at its clear role
chilly brook
scrapfield's a decent stat stick with an ok fallback defensive mode
it's just an extra IP
it's like practically nothing
round cliff
it's just an extra IP
theres a lot of times i wish i had an extra IP
dont tell me you've never managed to rage starve on priory 1st boss
round cliff
well im still a scrapfield enjoyer (never got anything better than hero track scrapfield)
mighty valley
it's got mainstat, it's mostly got haste
sometimes it gives you an ip
totally serviceable trinket
lusty grotto
well im still a scrapfield enjoyer (never got anything better than hero track sc...
thats fine
round cliff
thats fine
my vault simply refuses to give me trinkets and i cant craft them
im never getting the 675 achieve
lusty grotto
i feel ya
round cliff
ig it doesnt help that ive only been getting 2 vault slots each week lately
roster boss means no 2 myth raid slots yet
i prob got the vexie trinket at some point tho 🤔 maybe i need to upgrade it just for the achievement
thats myth track right
yea ok
restored
sinful copper
what are some of the best physical comps with prot warriors? just 2-3 examples would be great
tribal marten
what are some of the best physical comps with prot warriors? just 2-3 examples w...
Prot-Monk-Feral-Hunter if monk is heal get rogue aswell
sinful copper
i thought most still run UH dk
lusty grotto
yeah you want a UDK instead of a rogue
just cover lust and brez, mystic touch, and you got a pure phys comp
hunter is the only ranged that can fit it
rsham are also probably required for it
need that skyfury
or any shaman fits really
not hard to figure out
warm plinth
Go to bed Nim smh
warm plinth
I'm sorry. Hope it's not too painful.
lusty grotto
even though we're not even deep into mythic
oh its going painfully alright dont worry
warm plinth
XD
warm plinth
round cliff
damn and i thought me waking up at 9 and it being 1:18am was bad
warm plinth
idk why but I thought you were in Cali
round cliff
where east coast tho
lusty grotto
thank god i have absolutely jack shit to do this weekend
round cliff
are u in east central florida
lusty grotto
no
round cliff
damn
warm plinth
dude is trying to stalk you Nim, careful
lusty grotto
not even close
next pasture
not me being kicked from a 15 cinderbrew because i can't skip double hops... can i even do that as non NE?
next pasture
do you have a vid of it getting done via death skip?
i just... have never done it, so i have no idea how to properly do it
lusty grotto
i mean you do the same thing as meld, except for meld you die
the problem is if you have no way of stopping the patrol, youre kinda fucked
as in, your group
your group needs to have a way to stop the patrol
lusty grotto
no, paralyze works for that
that stops the patrol at the corner
they rop after
to the side
next pasture
do the hops like, follow the para target?
next pasture
yeah, i just wasn't sure they would go far enough to sneak by
good to know i can get a monk to do it though
you don't need a priest for that?
i guess you prolly can't soothe the hops anyway
so irrelevant
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
sure or more than that
next pasture
without the hops it's fairly safe i'd imagine
this changes a lot lol, really good to know
i like monk for ipa anyway so, yeah
heavy sparrow
good to know i can get a monk to do it though
Healer monks are the underated Chad's that stick with the war which is nice
blazing zinc
Hello, in Motherlode when playing the Machine + Specialist with 3rd boss, is there some "trick" to bait the "swirlies" away from the group? Does anyone know how exactly the Specialist ability works?
sinful copper
i only pull the machine, not the specialist, so not sure
i pull the machine, wait for charged shot to start, then into boss
patent scroll
Is it because I'm bad, or is there supposed to be one to three seconds of downtime in shield block every now and then?
next pasture
almost never when you get 4pc in my experience
unborn island
Hello, in **Motherlode** when playing the Machine + **Specialist** with 3rd boss...
From what I have seen if you pull the one with the specialist you either root the specialist where it is or hard CC it until the boss is basically dead and there's a big safe spot.
south wing
Is there a known reason why the top Chinese prot warriors seem to value orc so much when it comes to m+?
remote anchor
Is there a known reason why the top Chinese prot warriors seem to value orc so m...
chinese players races dont get tracked
so its defaults to orc
vale escarp
Maybe its just the race he likes the most, which helps dealing 1% more damage
south wing
chinese players races dont get tracked
oohh that actually makes a ton of sense.
remote anchor
yea theres no api access like for eu and na
raid prog for example gets added manually
mortal cypress
No racism in China, because China numbah one!
patent pebble
If you ain't kul tiran you ain't kul tryin
marsh charm
what ilvl should i be for each key level lol
marsh charm
oh well ill get all +2s
just got 640 so that should be good enough
oh btw
have any ideas on a "joke" weapon i could tmog my weapon into?
and or shield too
dont have to match
i currently use Cookies Tenderizer lol
dense shuttle
just got 640 so that should be good enough
Good players can do 10s at 640, if you don’t have much experience just go at your rythm, knowledge is more important than ilvl at that point
marsh charm
oh
thanks!
ill stick to lower ones for now
i dont feel confident
i want to try all tanks exept guardian ||dont liky furry||
marsh charm
ok all +2 done
man im so used to wait 30m-1h per dungeon
this is crazy
i dont think ive waited more than 1 minute
i thought people were exaggerating
round pendant
tank privilege
sweet summit
supply and demand innit
round pendant
nice, move on up to 6s
marsh charm
o
dreamy rain
isnt it best to farm 7s? for crest and hero gear?
clever hazel
need those 10s for vault
round pendant
isnt it best to farm 7s? for crest and hero gear?
Sure but they need runed crests and it's basically impossible to cap on gilded at this point if you're only just starting
dreamy rain
i dont think i will see any +10s the next 2 weeks. im super fresh on my warrior
round pendant
ig you could trade gilded -> runed
echo canyon
is a myth ring better as cyrce's circlet?
worthy cloak
Are Capo's molten knuckles any good for prot (assuming you dont plat ascendance embleshiment)? or is the lack of secondary stat the reason no one is using them?
round pendant
did a +6, 2 chest almost 3
ezclap
small steeple
Are Capo's molten knuckles any good for prot (assuming you dont plat ascendance ...
Defensively yeah, the lack of stats is bad, and part of it I'm sure is that it drops from Mug'Zee so a 675 crafted is better unless you have a mythic one, and even then, WW, rogues, and dh are higher in priority for it in most cases because they can run it in off hand for proc
dreamy rain
did a +6, 2 chest almost 3
what ilvl do you have`?
small steeple
ezclap
I've been testing the waters on my BrM and its pretty cozy, +2 a 7 db at only 630 ilvl
round pendant
I should try my brew
dreamy rain
did they fix the button bloat on brew?
small steeple
did they fix the button bloat on brew?
somewhat
Rushing Jade winds isn't really taken, so thats one less
I think there were a couple others but not 100% familiar with the changes
dreamy rain
anyone else having freezes when tapping in or out of the game?
mild river
is a myth ring better as cyrce's circlet?
I think even a fully upgraded heroic ring is better
small steeple
Gotta sim it of course
worthy cloak
Defensively yeah, the lack of stats is bad, and part of it I'm sure is that it d...
Thanks! 🙂
woven ice
is a myth ring better as cyrce's circlet?
depending on stats/gems but you should sim it with the ring enchanted and double gemmed on simc for most accurate
marsh charm
what ilvl do you have`?
642
tribal wharf
im considering returning that motherboard for something better
after i hear more horror stories, now believing the item may be cursed before i even try it
round pendant
just return it and get a good one
tribal wharf
the one gpt reccomends
cost as much as the damn cpu
im think about return it, aint hit the button yet
marsh charm
gpt is just
idk man
im not sure id trust it
it might be good at some things but
not everything
steady pollen
Baby prot, do I craft a sword, shield, or both first?
wicked pollen
shield to live sword if ego
steady pollen
Hmmm.. I am a god...
marsh charm
craft a new brain maybe
steady pollen
If someone asks you if you're a god... you say yes.
wicked pollen
no
steady pollen
So in seriousness, looks like shield first then sword likely, as I'm not raiding
frosty mango
Shield has a big dps impact too
Armor conversion to strength on the talent tree makes shield both a defensive and offensive gain
Because it has a ton of armor
wicked pollen
thats less than you imagine over weapon dps
marsh charm
meanwhile i dont care that much about my damage as long as im invincible lol
ivory elbow
can anyone explain to me how does tome of light's devotion work? xd
wicked pollen
you click it to swap stances
and over time it auto swaps
stay in sword as long as possible for damage
frosty mango
can anyone explain to me how does tome of light's devotion work? xd
You read your enemies to death
ivory elbow
i still dont get it xD
frosty mango
If you’ve ever been to a catholic wedding you’ll understand how reasonable that sounds
ivory elbow
can you dumb it down a bit more
round pendant
not everything
not anything
warm plinth
It's really that simple. If it's on sword, leave it. If it's on book, swap if possible
frosty mango
It’s got two modes, book and sword, each mode goes to 50 stacks. At 50 stacks it changes modes. The on use forcibly changes it to the opposite of its current mode and doubles the effect for a bit. Sword mode = crit book mode = magic shield
TLDR when book mode activated press trinket to go back to sword
wicked pollen
me when i said that in 3 short sentences
ivory elbow
ah me understand now
me need weakaura for it to ooggaa boogaa in dungeon
i am at 30% crit with pacemaker its giga
red tree
It's a pretty annoying trinket in dungeons. Get stuck on shield a lot
cedar flicker
does the bugfix for shield charge actually affect our dmg?
next pasture
ret pally dies to boiling flames
0 interrupts
”no rally?”
frosty mango
me when i said that in 3 short sentences
He said he wanted it easier but really he just needed my wall of text
frosty mango
It's a pretty annoying trinket in dungeons. Get stuck on shield a lot
It’s never on shield if you track it with the wa
shut summit
does the bugfix for shield charge actually affect our dmg?
not unless you were making it a point to shield charge from range
wicked pollen
mr sense is thane becoming the move to parse as the damage buff increases
as adds will evaporate
marsh charm
>ret pally dies to boiling flames
>0 interrupts
>”no rally?”
lmao
most people doesnt seem to interrupt or use defensives
solid sun
I was considering marks or ret to do all my 10s for dps but I might just craft a 2h and do it as arms
And then rsham for the healing one
Gonna do Roid proud
red tree
It’s never on shield if you track it with the wa
I have it, just sometimes you get to pulling a lot of stuff and it switches over in the middle of the 2 min cd
gentle ore
So I'm getting trucked by last boss in Rookery, when the wave and the circles comes at the same time I have to choose, which one should I choose?
next pasture
15 cinderbrew, failed a million times, i died during first pull last night, MW monk. i have done that pull with disc priest, hpal, rsham, and been fine, but MW monk couldn't refill my health faster than it drained. is this a me problem or a him problem?
i did the same thing i always do
sinful copper
I think you'd have to show a log so we can see your rotation/opener. If u have a better healer, they could be covering your mistakes easier. MW shouldn't have any issues on that first pull though because they excel at healing in aoe
next pasture
i ravager the middle pack, shield charge to it, throw the left pack, roar to aggro the remaining 2 packs, demo shout, and i roll defensives. i only overlap last stand with shield wall
my health bar literally just drained, i didn't get like, globaled
can see if i can find the log
obviously i avatar on pull to get the free SW
sinful copper
The healer prob wasn't great then. Not a MW specific issue though
next pasture
i really don't know how MW works, i just know bubble
i've had one really good MW a long time ago, on a 9 priory on week 1, "sweggles", dude was doing over a million dps on bosses
is all their healing just smart heals via dps?
jagged gust
They still have their CDs like floating Jedi and green bubble, but yeah a majority is smart heals
shut summit
you likely didnt parry / reset bleed stacks, should look to back out for a few globals / shockwave to make sure it drops
next pasture
you likely didnt parry / reset bleed stacks, should look to back out for a few g...
that would be unlucky, i have 37% parry (i thought pacemaker increased my parry but does not seem to be the case)
but i have definitely seen myself at 10 stacks of the bleed
sinful copper
i've had one really good MW a long time ago, on a 9 priory on week 1, "sweggles"...
Lol that guy is one of the best MW
sinful copper
you likely didnt parry / reset bleed stacks, should look to back out for a few g...
Which ones do the bleeds?
next pasture
Which ones do the bleeds?
patrons
pallid quiver
The most generic looking bastards, too, which is the worst part
thick dust
hello everyone, having warrior on max lvl since this wednesday, did some dummy testing and im curious, why under casts i cant see use of Shield charge (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z48FPfG1hbHV6m2a?fight=last&type=casts&source=12) even tho on dmg taken of dummy its visible dummy took dmg from this ability? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z48FPfG1hbHV6m2a?fight=last&type=damage-taken&hostility=1&source=14&ability=385954&view=events
lusty grotto
shield charge is bugged right now
it has weird issues with damage
thats why they are fixing it on tuesday
thick dust
oh and thats why i cant see it in logs?
i was worried whats going on since i was 100 % sure i used it
lusty grotto
im not 100% sure, but its likely
thick dust
i see
round pendant
yeah shield charge is fucky atm
thick dust
anyways - any of u here does log reviews? I know its only dummy but im trying to see what to improve - ideally i would love to know what should i check in logs? I log review my BDK no issue but pwas is very new to me. I usually check:
- if i overcapped resoureces
- SB and IP uptime
- If ui used DMG CD on CD
warm plinth
Would probably prefer them not to be dummy logs though tbh. Dummy logs can be super weird
lusty grotto
agreed
thick dust
IP uptime doesnt matter
how come? I was told that in raid i dont need to have it up if im not active tank but i thought in m+ or if i actively tank on boss i should have it up?
lusty grotto
dummies are not representative
lusty grotto
how come? I was told that in raid i dont need to have it up if im not active tan...
IP is not your active mitigation
its SB
as long as youre using IP when over 70+ rage, youre good
its uptime doesnt matter
we do log reviews on dungeons and raids
so if you have those, feel free to tag us
warm plinth
IP ends up being pressed a lot as a rage dump; you don't need to consider it much beyond that. If your'e doing really hard content, it can be a good idea to use it liberally leading up to a dangerous hit, but that's niche
thick dust
we do log reviews on dungeons and raids
understandable
lusty grotto
me, Luerce are usually good to check depending on what we got going on
solid sun
:)
thick dust
well - ill be fully honestl with u, my war is 655ilvl and i was extemely suprised how smooth class feel. Im coming from BDK which i play for years and i just dont get how pwar is stable. I did even +12 today on mentioned ilvl and it felt SO EASY
lusty grotto
its stable due to SB
solid sun
I’m glad you’ve chosen to be honest with us
warm plinth
I lie a lot
solid sun
Lmao no don’t do that
thick dust
I’m glad you’ve chosen to be honest with us
honestly - my guild disbanded and i got offer from pretty high WR guild but they want me to have alts rly and they offered pwar and pwar was always quite close to me somehow
thick dust
im last 8 years one trick BDK so this whole experiance is quite crazy to me, i dont understand how ppl can swap from shield tank to no shield tank 
lusty grotto
have it open somewhere
so you know whats blockable and whats not, whats spell blockable and whats not, reflectable etc
its always updated
thick dust
so you know whats blockable and whats not, whats spell blockable and whats not, ...
oh ye, i saw that - i deffo will go trought it
solid sun
Never
lusty grotto
thick dust
solid sun
Has anyone been following the mdi
lusty grotto
yeah im watching
solid sun
How’s it been with the new rules?
lusty grotto
and watched the latter half of friday's
the new rules properly take effect tomorrow
thick dust
How’s it been with the new rules?
what new rules?
lusty grotto
so far its the same old TGP
solid sun
Gotcha
lusty grotto
classes are banned tomorrow
lusty grotto
fri-sat all teams have virtually ran the same meta comp
so
new classes tomorrow
thick dust
ah i see
lusty grotto
100% tank changes for sure
nocturne spindle
How many days is it
lusty grotto
3 days, 4 groups
nocturne spindle
Oh well
lusty grotto
so 4 weekends and then a final weekend
reformed echo (naowh + gingi) played this weekend on friday as Wunderbar
nocturne spindle
I assume they're just gonna cycle through tanks and healers and 1 dps spec and end up on vdh and disc lmao
nocturne spindle
Oh interesting
lusty grotto
some prot pally dungeons today, but they far behind VDH
thick dust
well i saw bear tank and i think resto shammy healer
thick dust
i dont get prot, brew .... i hear its in rly bad bad spot
lusty grotto
its not
brew is perfectly viable
if anything bear is the underling cause their damage fucking blows
that doesnt mean they arent capable
thick dust
i mean, all tank are in the end
grave badger
whats the haste cap for prot warrior? Ive heard you want 25% crit atleast, then haste but is there a number or % where you rather go mastery/vers?
nocturne spindle
No cap
lusty grotto
theres not a set number
nocturne spindle
Min 17k
lusty grotto
just equip haste until you can comfortably manage SB
nocturne spindle
My sims put me at like 19k as highest DPS so
lusty grotto
after that you can go for other stats
thick dust
oh that reminds me - i assume u guys sim your gear same as BDK does ?
thick dust
then its same
lusty grotto
sim type will differ due to APLs
thats what i meant as to "how"
1 target, 3 min or 5 min sims are fine
we dont do dungeon slice here
lusty grotto
if you want a proper aoe sim, you need to 5t patchwerk 1.5min/1min sim
lusty grotto
but usually ST sim is fine
grave badger
ty ty!
lusty grotto
we do have a custom APL for tome though, which is pinned
gives accurate numbers for it
and eye of kezan sims will always have to be 5m+
but those are not very ordinary cases
thick dust
we do have a custom APL for tome though, which is pinned
i assume that custom APL assumes u keep book only on crit buff right?
cos i play book on BDK and have WA to use on use of book only when i swap to that armor buff we dont wanna be in
and yup i know eye is worthy only on 5+ min fihgt, thx ❤️
lusty grotto
yes basically
thick dust
i never enjoyed anvil, dreadplate was nice
lusty grotto
we have a rageheart, its called Mud, still worse than the partial shield trinket (treemouth then, bomb suit now)
and we have a dreadplate
its called tome
pallid quiver
its called tome
tome isn't nearly as good defensively or in aoe as dreadplates, though
lusty grotto
thats just nit picking
its an equivalent
and a really good trinket
same as v2.0 dreadplates
frosty mango
its called eye of kezan
Loes
pallid quiver
it was mediocre in ST, though
I think that's actually a notable difference between them, as well as how they get used
lusty grotto
sure, same situation as anvil vs cataclysmic signet
pallid quiver
If I could recast eye to keep up the buff
It is the same "chain combat/long combat equals big damage" thing, though, as Anvil and DF Signet
Only difference is they made it harder to chain, since I wager they intended for those trinkets to be for mostly long raid fights and didn't like people constantly chain pulling in M+
Since iirc Kezan dies faster than Signet stacks
little do they know, that just means people who are using it will aggressively chain pull even harder
frosty mango
Will be interested to see what dungeons we get next season
Wonder if we see a dragonflight dungeon
lucid mica
Bring back atal'dazar
lusty grotto
BFA AD
frosty mango
I’d really like to see de other side
lusty grotto
not DF AD
frosty mango
Just so we can have iqd memes
lusty grotto
DoS too long
patent pebble
Do you guys have a preferred general prot WA you use or do people just default to luxthos?
pallid quiver
We need Vanilla BRD, full dungeon
Give it more bosses, too
We need a 2+ hour M+ dungeon
lusty grotto
we default to whatever feels best for us individually
we dont really hive mind WA packs
frosty mango
We need a 2+ hour M+ dungeon
Sorry we had that last expansion. With dawn of the whatever
More floodgate, less brd please
pallid quiver
Do you guys have a preferred general prot WA you use or do people just default t...
I built my own, personally, since this is my main. If you use a general class suite like Luxthos, you'll have to do the usual pruning to limit what it shows to what you actually care about
pallid quiver
Sorry we had that last expansion. With dawn of the whatever
no you split those
And it still wasn't as long as vanilla BRD because you couldn't mass pull and there's a lot of fuck-all-nothing-happening running around
thick dust
u do that in m+ technically then
solid sun
Not really
thick dust
well u cant make much mechanics for 5 ppl rly
solid sun
Sure you can
You just can’t do much in the way of dividing the group
Single soaks? Check
Group soak? Check
Avoid swirlies? Check
Damage checks? Yep
Healing checks? Yep
pallid quiver
We need more mechs that require you to sacrifice a party member.
thick dust
thats harsh
thick dust
idk, i wish some bosses in raid werent WA bosses
this tier its not THAT bad
its still cringe af
lusty grotto
hashi is not following the memeing
solid sun
It was funny during early Razzy G kills when someone would get the circle thing and have to run out into the bad area and die so everyone else could keep killing her
pallid quiver
If it helps, I'm only half-memeing, because it's funny as fuck to me to always scapegoat the 1 friend
I have a pecking order, even, of who gets all the shit depending on their tier of "Everything is this one's fault and they deserve the greatest misery for the suffering they have caused me"
that's the important tier list
round pendant
lmfao
I was doing a +10 floodgate
just killed bubbles
affix orbs spawned so I was like sure I'll get those
I charged to an orb straight through like 5 bubbles bubbles that were left over
dead
jagged gust
Charge and heroic Leap, unintentionally killing me since 2017
orchid mural
try surv and harpoon -.-
feral zealot
kind urchin
Sense occasionally streams on twitch.
round cliff
Do you guys have a preferred general prot WA you use or do people just default t...
i default to luxthos but i modify it
will happily share mine with u, if u like it
daring sable
Hi am i tripping or wasnt there a procc or sth that caused shield slam to hit more than 1 target
warm plinth
I believe that was an old tier set
arctic marten
Could someone point me to a Ravager WeakAura that shows the remaining duration of my active Ravager?
patent scroll
managed to do 10s and had fun, this char might actually happen
If I don't lose motivation looking at the gilded cap
lusty grotto
gilded cap goes away in 1.5 resets
pallid quiver
that means you have to run infinite dungeons, nim
lusty grotto
not on my warrior
pallid quiver
You have to
Blizz is gonna send in the dungeon police
If you ever stop running dungeons, they'll get ya
And put you in The Room
patent scroll
Funnily enough I don't think I'll even get stuff to spend them on fast enough
I guess I could rat my way into some mythic runs to at least have a chance, but the first 4 are going to run out of drops eventually
lusty grotto
huh
patent scroll
And before you ask, I've had turbo garbage M+ slots whole season, and I don't expect that to change
lusty grotto
we arent in pre-TWW
you get a metric fuckton of gilded from keys
i cap in like 2-3 runs
obviously it depends on key level
patent scroll
Yeah but going higher at my current ilvl isn't happening, so it'll be like sub 10 keys
patent scroll
16 per run? against the 810 cap or something?
lusty grotto
patent scroll
Then again I'll probably be stuck for that amount of runs just in Priory
warm plinth
Gotta say I'm not a big fan of the nameplates
in Disc
Shit's gonna end up looking like MySpace eventually XD
tribal wharf
they one blizzard "stole dynamic flying" from
tbf tbh i could see this being from australia too
lusty grotto
for the what
oh prots
no
there is but you cant reach it
just stack haste until you can manage SB comfortably
that's about it
16k min for comfy SB uptime with ITF, if lower just swap to HR... at around 19 to 20k you can just keep stacking haste or swap to other stats
assuming you have 4pc, otherwise those numbers change
solid sun
I didn’t wanna answer because I didn’t know what the ports meant
And I didn’t want to confidently say something and then be told I’m an idiot
glad fossil
yeah sorry for my misspell. not my first language and ty very much for the answer
frosty mango
Dpsed mythic as fury that’s not fun at all
So much thinking for so little dps
Why can’t they just give me a gladiator dps spec so I can live my shield swinging fantasy
lucid mica
Is it normal to be doing more damage with 664 war than 670 vdh? Did ws14 today as war and did 1.5M overall, when I did it as vdh I did 1.4M and I should be playing better vdh than prot, similar kill times and same pulls both
frosty mango
Yes that’s normal and 1.5 is actually pretty low
At 665 for most dungeons I’d expect you’d be around 2m min
Workshop isn’t a huge pull dungeon so 2m is prob par for where you’d wanna be
lucid mica
But there's literally no one in the world that has done 2M overall in ws14 in logs 😦
I mean I'll try harder hahaha, I could've done better I'm misaligning my CDs so many times
lucid mica
Yes, log DPS, I don't remember details dmg
frosty mango
Different things
Then yeah that’s still normal but it will be tough to hammer down an exact comparison bc most people don’t log keys
lusty grotto
vdhs cant really match up
unless they are FS
aldrachi is like 20% lower than us
easily
frosty mango
Warrior is gonna outdps every other tank consistently
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Bdk did get close with good rng but over the long haul we will win out
frosty mango
First 3
frosty mango
We needed war buff and I don’t have arms gear
lusty grotto
yes you do, youre prot
frosty mango
Too much haste
frosty mango
I got a bunch of mastery heavy haste gear for fury
lusty grotto
oh, gross
frosty mango
It’s really not
lusty grotto
it really is
frosty mango
You’re always having to switch prio on fury depending on if you have enrage or marked stacks
I vastly prefer arms and find it much easier
lusty grotto
yeah cause watching jugg stacks, rend uptime, opportunist procs, SD stacks, and tier procs is a lot easier than just pressing rampage
frosty mango
It is for me, lol
lusty grotto
god forbid you play Collateral
lusty grotto
besides MT fury is comparable
even have top 5 to 20 in the early fights
no reason to play slayer if its too much
hell MT fury is pretty much rik and 1ab, very little slayers
jagged gust
Angry man shout is very important
dark lark
Can you still skip one of the bloodwarper box packs by doing the box in a certain spot?
slender bison
Yes. Easier if you priest soothe before you heroic leap there
Just leap on the edge and micro move until box becomes interactable
solid sun
Id prefer to just not warrior dps at all ngl
Biggest weakness of war for me. I dislike war dps
dark lark
Just leap on the edge and micro move until box becomes interactable
I was wondering if it was solo-able
sick sentinel
Are demon hunters straight up better than us at tanking ?
rustic epoch
Are demon hunters straight up better than us at tanking ?
Kit and syng with party buffs vh is better tankieness and dps wize i beleave warrior is on top so i am told but there tool kit and dmg buff for magic dmg works better with current meta also doesnt help we cant self heal adding more stress on healers like attack power does nothing for boomkins mages and the like
balmy summit
Very new to prot warrior and just rolled the Colossus build as it seemed fotm but wondering about MT. If i get beyond 10s I'll be surprised & I assume CS vs MT at that level is inconsequential. What's the diff fun wise?
rustic epoch
Colossus higher dmg less rage mt higher single target and in gen ezier for newer ppl to use due to more rage to play with but in gen colossus just big number
over all they about the same tho at lower keys
balmy summit
i'll give mt a go. ta
marsh charm
man i went back to dps yesterday and
i didnt have as much fun
maybe tank has secretly been my calling all along
i played 2 keys and was bored
but i played 12 in a row as tank with no issues
next pasture
idk, 15 cinderbrew has almost ruined this game for me, not looking forward to pushing that one higher
that shit makes me wanna just dps
everything hurts, if anyone makes a mistake it almost always leads to a wipe
slender bison
idk, 15 cinderbrew has almost ruined this game for me, not looking forward to pu...
If you have 3K you're in the 6% or players. If you're doing 15s you're already cream of creams, so yeah you have to play perfect with the best pulls and skips
next pasture
If you have 3K you're in the 6% or players. If you're doing 15s you're already c...
i mean, every other 15 i did in one attempt, and that one took a lot, DFC is the only other one that took more than one try
the difficulty difference seems insane
slender bison
i mean, every other 15 i did in one attempt, and that one took *a lot*, DFC is t...
I'm in 14s, where do you have issues with DFC?
Its mostly a healer dungeon for boss 2 and 3 and you have as a tank to vanguard the cart area and pre-pick tons of mobs to stack with candle. Healer needs to baby sit you
azure gust
Are demon hunters straight up better than us at tanking ?
in short yes by miles and its not close. Especially in M+. There is A LOT of reworking for prot war that needs to be done for it to be competitive in M+. Prot war is good for raiding ig bc of the dmg but id say they are being pushed out for a pally and bdk. Generally speaking imo Prot war is arguably one of the worst tanks in the game but has possibly the highest potential if blizz would take some time with it... Great dmg, Great survivability as long as there are no casters and you have enough rage to keep everything up but other than that they dont have much going for them.