protection

[frosty mango]

Or offensive in general

[cerulean tusk]

At all

[round pendant]

It's about as offensive as hekili

[frosty mango]

I thought it was going to be just literally like a button you spammed

But it actually shows you the spell

There’s some learning here

[sharp gale]

Im sad

[cerulean tusk]

I am just glad the ones who need a 1 button, for one reason or another, I dont care about the reason. That they now got it, and just get to play the game

[lusty grotto]

ngl but i was expecting that

but now that introduces a whole new problem

[frosty mango]

If they spun this into something that interactively told you that a button press was right or wrong i would be super satisfied with the entire thing

[lusty grotto]

more dps into the pool

less tank/healer ratio

[sharp gale]

Me too, it just makes me realize I will not do keys with it

[lusty grotto]

but i guess they'll approach that eventually

[cerulean tusk]

I wont interact with those players either way, I am just glad they get their chance to have fun

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats true

i just wonder if it'll cause what i said

[frosty mango]

Wonder what it will do for disc

[lusty grotto]

cause then it'll be bad for themselves

[frosty mango]

Or mistweaver

[sharp gale]

I think there is enough penalties LMAO

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[round pendant]

I think it's only a matter of time before the 1button players will be miffed that they have a 0.3s nerf and it's ends up getting removed

[sharp gale]

It doesn’t send your cds

Ofc it will not be good to use it

[round pendant]

And anyone who goes against that will be labeled a gatekeeper

🙂

[solid sun]

I'm assuming there's an extra delay for it to decide what to do next?

Am I crazy for thinking that?

[sharp gale]

It doesn’t send your cd

[round pendant]

No it's to make it not competitive with actually pressing buttons

[solid sun]

What does sending a CD have to do with there being an extra delay between button presses

[lusty grotto]

yes Rhino, there's a 0.3 gcd delay

as per suggestions, there's none

[solid sun]

I was responding to the gatekeeper comment

[sharp gale]

Sry I thought you were one who doesn’t think gcd malus is enough penalties

[round pendant]

The delay isn't a technical limitation

[solid sun]

I was under the impression the extra delay had to do with just the limits of the system - not an intentional extra delay just for the sake of having one

[lusty grotto]

its intentional

[frosty mango]

I’m still not 100% sold on that

But if the other one doesn’t have any delay I will be

[sharp gale]

Im not the target audience to buy it, so idc

And if hekili doesn’t need delay to compute…. Why Blizz would need

[lusty grotto]

blizz doesnt have APL

[sharp gale]

It is on the GitHub

[lusty grotto]

and im guessing that to use them they would have to ask simcraft/authors

depends on the licensing Happy

[round pendant]

It doesn't matter because Ion already said the delay is there to make sure it remains an accessibility feature

[sharp gale]

And you definitely can’t play ass rogue with it

[lusty grotto]

i wonder how the new Recuperate work in arena

[sharp gale]

Or any spec that need to switch target

[solid sun]

I guess the logic there is that by intentionally making it worse, it dissuades people from trying to force underperforming players to use it.

[lusty grotto]

im guessing it will not work at all there

[round pendant]

Their own APL wouldn't be the same structure, they can just copy the spells and conditionals

[hoary pike]

does anyone know how to put an off-spec trinket into your sim... its an int trinket..

[solid sun]

I don't really think that because the button doesn't do those things, you can't use it and also play ass rogue or w/e other spec

[lusty grotto]

youre not wrong

[hoary pike]

it doesnt show up when i do

[round pendant]

It's almost definitely just a priority list under the hood but without the theorycrafting that simc apls have

[sharp gale]

Top gear, you add it and select

[solid sun]

You can still target other mobs, etc., on your own. The accessibility feature doesn't solve every single thing for you, but it helps just the same

[lusty grotto]

but conditionals are pretty easy to alter into some dumb list that never works in order to prove Blizzard copied you

[sharp gale]

Or it doesn’t work ?

[lusty grotto]

i dont think they want something like that to happen

[round pendant]

Since simc is going for optimised play and this isn't they'll just make shit up

[lofty warren]

how to get a group like this every time?

[lusty grotto]

also

this will never be optimized

LMAO

[sharp gale]

What’s wrong ?

[lusty grotto]

just put reddit in there, and have prot warrior spam IP

[warm plinth]

The fact they're asking for feedback on improper sequence already tells me they're putting zero effort into the system. So why bother?

[lofty warren]

well the key felt good is all im saying things died fast and interrupts were done

[warm plinth]

You want a proper sequence? Go get the fucking apl lol

[lusty grotto]

asking for feedback isnt bad

the problem is just about anybody can provide feedback, so heres hoping they know which post is more valuable

[lofty warren]

if its from me its valueable

duh

[sharp gale]

But they said no surviability abilities and Reddit would definitively think IP is number 1 def thing of prot bc they see hps

[round pendant]

I'm just gonna go on record and say I think it's bad for the game. It'll be a long time until we know for sure tho and I'm happy to be proven wrong

Someone @ me in 4 years if it turns out good

(or inconsequential)

[warm plinth]

I dont think it'll do anything for the game either way

[lusty grotto]

its just an example

[warm plinth]

Can definitely see dps leveling via dungeons turning the 1 button thing on but beyond that it'll probably not matter

[lusty grotto]

im aware

you posted it like 3 mins ago

[warm plinth]

Or even healers in leveling dungeons since you 99% dps anyway

[lusty grotto]

sorry, that was in response to Happy, not you Ghash

[sharp gale]

But am I crazy if I think blizzard know Reddit is dumb

[lusty grotto]

nah

but

[round pendant]

I think blizzard are dumber than Reddit

[lusty grotto]

its not specifically reddit

it was just an example

[warm plinth]

Wow forum goers aren't really any different than reddit

[lusty grotto]

☝️

[warm plinth]

Same people, different website

[lusty grotto]

or wowhead commenters for that matter

[heady osprey]

is Colossus better for mythic +

[warm plinth]

Yes

[sharp gale]

Fucking discord demons

[warm plinth]

Approximately equivalent defensively, better damage

[sharp gale]

They should listen Tomrus 100%

[warm plinth]

Tbf, they should ignore most class discord users too

[lusty grotto]

i agree

hell fucking dreamgrove users tell people to bind IF

sorry, macro

[sharp gale]

I think they should just steal the apl, and steal it every patch

[warm plinth]

Its not even stealing anyway is it? Its public code no?

Or were you just saying they should use it

[sharp gale]

Im not sweaty enough to know that information

[lusty grotto]

depends on the licensing

lets find out

here are the licenses

[round pendant]

I think it has the potential to be bad honestly. I can see a scenario where a significant portion of the playerbase uses it which disincentivises them putting time and money into designing actually engaging rotations. Or a scenario where those people complain about the 0.3s nerf or other limitations enough that it gets buffed and buffed until it's just straight up competitive 🤷‍♂️

[lusty grotto]

usually licenses have clauses for monetary gain

etc

[sharp gale]

But if it’s outside major cd usage, they can just do a simple wowhead rotation prio coded

[lusty grotto]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc?tab=GPL-3.0-1-ov-file

[round pendant]

But I'm also just fundamentally against the concept of training wheels anyway

(unless you risk literally dying or harming people without them)

[sharp gale]

I watched few people reacting to it for curiosity, preach compared it to mouseclicking which is really good analogy imo

It build a bad habit

[lusty grotto]

hekili also builds bad habits

[lofty warren]

find 1 button to foot petal and get 100 parse while watching netflix

[sharp gale]

Yes that’s why I said it is a good analogy with mouse clicking

[round pendant]

Yeah hekili sucks too

[lusty grotto]

i see

[round pendant]

I wish people would just be okay with being bad and learning

I've seen people with full on disabilities do completely fine in this game

[lofty warren]

its not that ppl are disabled its that ppl are stoopid

[round pendant]

Tho I will use this shit on alts I haven't set up properly when I run old content for mogs/mounts

[sharp gale]

But I admit Blizzard needs to do something about the game bc not everyone plays as much as me, I’m bad when I learn, but I play tens of hour per week

[lusty grotto]

me too happy, me too

[round pendant]

Idk what they could do

I want them to squish m+ even further and make everything resilient

[sharp gale]

And when I try to teach people about the game, there is a wall, and saying massive wall is not enough

[round pendant]

New player experience is atrocious yeah

[sharp gale]

Just imagine explain to someone new / learning about raidbot

[jagged gust]

Even coming back after a long break I felt overwhelmed

[round pendant]

Just tell them ilvl > all and they can worry about that way later

[sharp gale]

Yeah but there is at one point the raidbot wall to learn

[ashen elm]

Hey guys i have a question with regards to meld skipping. How exactly does it work, so if i was to grab Bubbles from Floodgate as an example, i'm to pull him as far back as possible, leap and meld correct? No taunt, no heroic throw, just body pull it right?

[sharp gale]

Or the weakaura one

Or the keybinds one

[lusty grotto]

correct

yeah but happy we do that all the time here

[lusty grotto]

wait you can use heroic throw

and taunt

[round pendant]

Is any of that stuff hard?

[lusty grotto]

meld is just a vanish

just run to an area he wont reset to and meld

are you worried about deep wounds or something?

[ashen elm]

Interesting, because when i taunted, lept and meld... the aggro remained despite the meld

[sharp gale]

But here we catch the minority of people (which is good even if not everyone is in here), doesn’t change Blizz needs to find a way to/ I encourage what they are trying something because I don’t see how myself

[lusty grotto]

thats cause taunt was probably still up

its 3s duration

[ashen elm]

omg

i'm an idiot

[lusty grotto]

so depending on the skip, you probably cant use it (bubbles seems like it)

but also

are you sure it was taunt

and not that you were too close?

[ashen elm]

I pulled him to the back wall of the room... so that the group had ample space to run by, and that i could also leap onto the mid section of the bridge

when i meld, i could see his focus was still on me

[lusty grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LhsDRFPe-o

megasett does it with taunt

[sharp gale]

He didn’t cast the dot ? And you are sure you were far enough to not just body pull him again ?

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats what i asked

[ashen elm]

definitely not

[sharp gale]

I never tried the skip myself, but leap might not be enough

[lusty grotto]

leap should be enough

but not without bounding stride, probably

you have to wait for him to cast the frontal

you cant do it asap

[ashen elm]

oh

[lusty grotto]

that gives you more than enough time to leap

adjust -> meld

that could have been it if you werent waiting for the frontal

so you were def too close to him

as far as the other meld skips go

you want distance and/or slows

so you have enough time to leap run into meld

[ashen elm]

Perfect... I'm gonna try to wait for frontal and report back to you guys 🙂

[lusty grotto]

youll do fine

[sharp gale]

If you are with friends you can try in chain the skip

[ashen elm]

friends... oof I'll keep an eye out for those as well

[sharp gale]

Or just your pug if you are in a resilient key and it is bricked by the fail

You ask your comrades if you can collectively learn it and redo the key

[ashen elm]

i am at resil 12... so i'll have to fish for it, ty for the suggestion guys

[sharp gale]

You can try stuff in resilient keys (still ask ppl before ofc), like the first pull of workshop, first pull of priory etc

And if you deplete bc bubble skip fail, it means everything prior is good, so the pug will know it’s timed if you learn that and redo the key

[lusty grotto]

you can do up to 13 without that skip btw

probably 14 too

but its good to practice it

[lucid mica]

I timed 15 doing more pulls before to skip that and failing the skip, so if from the start you commit to do it you can do it in 16 for sure

[lusty grotto]

[lucid mica]

🥺

[sharp gale]

Yes (I did without)

Even without the full workshop first pull

And I did 200% of count in my cinderbrew 14

When I saw the ilvl increase will come may 13th I just stopped pushing bc I would just wait the key lvl nerfs from gear to grab free io score

[lusty grotto]

oh shit

thats in may 13

why did i keep thinking it was in may 20th

or after horrific visions

interesting

cool, i guess

[topaz verge]

I am terrible at remembering to use SPELL block (or knowing when to use it)

Are there any rules of thumb or weak auras or something to help?

[sharp gale]

Yeah my goal was all 15s even tho I’m not a huge m+ enjoyer

[topaz verge]

sorry - spell block

[sharp gale]

Oh I was gonna rant about shield block

See it as a def cd like wall, you just have more knowledge required about what you can spell block

[topaz verge]

I do have a shield block question too - is there a cap on max seconds it can be active for? like can i overcap it

[sharp gale]

And see it as the strongest def cd we have if it works on what you are taking

[sharp gale]

It caps 3x the duration, you can’t be over unless you have heavy repercussions talented (which means waste doesn’t matter) or bolster talent I guess

Since you have 2 shield block charges(should not be at 2 charge bc you use at least 1 to keep the cd rolling) and 1 shield charge, giving you 3 sources of block, I don’t see how you could be over the max duration

[topaz verge]

so basically i am good to just always cast when i can

and probably should always cast when i can

[wicked pollen]

or you can let it drop if boss is going to cast something

[topaz verge]

this is true

happens a lot i've noticed

Man i really struggling to adjust to this new rage concious version of warrior after previous incarntations

my fingers are always tempted roll across 1,2,3 keybinds isntead of pressing one

[sharp gale]

Yes, just try to not recast it just before the pack dies, bc obviously you waste the duration

Unless maybe you are chain pulling etc

[topaz verge]

thank you for taking the time to help me

[sharp gale]

How the raid goes ? I don’t even know which boss you are on rn

[wicked pollen]

im on oab

we killed sprocket last night

but we need to reclear stix

[sharp gale]

Oh noice

[wicked pollen]

iim going to play slayer arms

and do 0 add damage

[sharp gale]

Such a fun fight sprocket, even as tank

[wicked pollen]

i didnt tnak it

[lucid mica]

Is it important to TC early to apply rend or just when it fits my rotation? (M+)

[sharp gale]

LOL we also skipped stix after a disastrous Wednesday the week we killed sprocket

[wicked pollen]

early to gather threat and as you run out of rage

[sharp gale]

When we recleared him I was fury/dps the first time on the boss I was just charging crabombs and solo kill them

[wicked pollen]

nah

surely the ranged dos

can do everything for me

[sharp gale]

Nah I don’t want to ever learn that fight once more, I just want to not wipe even if I have to do it myself

I did 75 on logs doing that I’m fine

[sharp gale]

Does your kill was also disastrous as my first ? The orbs does a lot of damage

[pliant jackal]

Finally got a Tome trinket... do i just use it on c/d?

[sharp gale]

Too bad I was casting demolish

[wicked pollen]

the first orbs spawned then it died

[sinful copper]

Get a weak aura and use it every time it's on defense

[sharp gale]

You have 2 modes, when it is on defense mode you use it to return on sword mode

[sinful copper]

To swap it back to offense

[pliant jackal]

sweet ty

i will get that thanks

[sharp gale]

Nice, the first orbs are easy / you have almost a full min before the fight becomes huge scary

When orbs + beams + far mines

[sharp olive]

Quick question, am I missing someting on Dalecry?

I use sheild wall / spam ignore pain but that bleed kills!

[wicked pollen]

you probably arent getting dispelled

[sharp gale]

It does hurt a lot

[pallid quiver]

ur mom hurts a lot

[sharp gale]

If you take it in the ass I hope it does

[pallid quiver]

It's one of the highest damage instances on tank constantly if you go left

If you go right, everyone dies on the miniboss before even getting to boss

As an aside, since it's constant damage, spamming ignore pain will actually make you less tanky

You'll get less IP over time due to draining your rage without generating as much, meaning less IP casts, so you take more damage over time

Which is exactly the damage profile on first boss in priory

Also, like mentioned above, if you go left, divine judgment leaves a damage taken debuff that needs to be dispelled by the healer

It's like 20% extra damage, which doesn't feel good

[sharp gale]

You need a solid def rotation, dwarf make it easier, bombsuit/mud too, not forget you can still use magic dr on the priestess casts

[pallid quiver]

^^^

You should spell reflect for every judgment, since it should be up for every one iirc

[sharp gale]

It’s your job to make your hp move not too quick down, then it’s the healer job to top you for the next round, use everything you can Impeding victory health pot etc, it is harsh on pwar

[round cliff]

cool ass mount

[ashen elm]

I know, but it's always nice to know more about the game and how things function

[next pasture]

hello, never done this pull, how do i do this?

sap the goblin or something?

[hoary pike]

i just got tome.. can someone explain it to me like im really really dumb..

does this shit just give like low stat perma until i press button? then it just doubles it for 20s?

[chilly brook]

you see sword buff? don't touch the trinket

you see shield buff? press trinket

also 3k crit is really high for a flat stat

6k when it's doubled is insane

[hoary pike]

i guess its just like, a more dam pacemaker

cause it also has dam proc

[chilly brook]

different places where they excel

tome gud prio

pacemaker good all around

but def way worse on like anything under 4 targets

[sharp gale]

And the damage proc is 100k of my dps in raid

[hoary pike]

is that a lot

that doesnt seem like a lot

oh wait dps

[sharp gale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ApwZN4ztG6nfvjck?fight=12&type=damage-done&source=8

97% uptime

Shhhhhhh

[round cliff]

bruh

i got on my hunter to tame this pet with a funny name

turns out, its phased

ok quest do i gotta do to get into the phase

its the fuckin like 400th quest in a chain

what the hell

why was cataclysm like this

[sharp gale]

Hyjal ?

[round cliff]

YUP

[sharp gale]

What the sigma this pet looks like if it makes you do hyjal quests

[round cliff]

its just a corehound

but his name is Smolderos the Carbonizer and he keeps his full name and title when tamed

and i think thats funny

[sharp gale]

Bare minimum I hoped was a monkey, I’m disappointed

[round cliff]

i wanna tame torq

[sharp gale]

You have the monkey with a fez ?

[round cliff]

yo?

which monkey with a fez

[sharp gale]

https://www.wow-petopia.com/look.php?id=monkeyblack-monkey_fez

[round cliff]

im gonna go get him right fuckin now

since im not doing 3 years of hyjal quests for this corehound 😭

[sharp gale]

And he keeps his name

[round cliff]

there HAS to be a way to fast track these quests

cuz i see quest icons on the map

for quests that are ~30 quests into the storyline

just not the one i need

[next pasture]

did i fuck up here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LvR9WhjabPp27JZN?fight=last&type=summary

i did this pull, and everyone died

pull 7

[sharp gale]

Can you show the entire IPA room so I understand what you do in it ?

Because hobgoblins are the scariest trash of the dungeon, I wonder why would you pull more (trashs from the room) with the double hob

[next pasture]

pull 7 was as far as we got

i was copying a 17 route from threechest.io but changed a bit

[sharp gale]

I think in high keys they skip the 2 hobgoblins

[next pasture]

this is the route i changed up

so i broke 8 into what i showed you, and i would've done like, pull 10 in 2 parts

like this

[sharp gale]

That’s not a high key/ efficient, it does the full IPA room, I know they don’t full clear

[next pasture]

all the 17s have that room full cleared

[sharp gale]

And do trashs in bee room

[next pasture]

i actually have never full cleared that room

but i just did a 15 priory with a route i never did and timed it was 4 deaths

so figured, yolo

[sharp gale]

Ah maybe with the hobgoblin change

I didn’t check since they don’t drop the adds when they die anymore

[next pasture]

but yeah, in pull 7 everyone died to double hopgoblin charge

which is what all the routes for med high keys do

[round cliff]

do i have to do something to unlock the nzoth assaults on a fresh toon?

[sharp gale]

[round cliff]

gotta do nazjatar quests..

fuggggg

why cant this shit just be easy blizz

[sharp gale]

Idk I did it in 14 2-3 weeks ago with press W doing every trashs of the dungeon, I don’t like doing crazy shit when I don’t need to

3% under time, I think if you don’t clear 130% count you can do regular +10 route

[loud wave]

Did Blizzard fix their cooldown manager to show again personal buffs under healthbar?

[frosty mango]

Tbf double dk ret kinda carried that dungeon

That’s a ton of trash speed so prob made up the diff for you

[sharp gale]

One is frost and the ret plays with hekili

[frosty mango]

Actually kinda based comp for cinder tbh

Don’t matter frost is nasty too lol

[sharp gale]

I know just the udk was obviously destroying packs

[frosty mango]

Tons of control too for ipa

So you prob had a lot of boss uptime

[sharp gale]

Not needed, they just melted

Since I tank the boss in range of the adds

[frosty mango]

Yeah I do the same

Then you always got boomies blowing them half across the room

[sharp gale]

And I was on comms with the 3 dps

So I can gently tell a dk to grab the dude who spawn in front of ipa, into the death ball of adds

But still we did no skip at all, and someone obviously body pulled trashs in the bee room

And had deaths

[past laurel]

What would you craft, cloak or boots or ring? for m+

just getting lost, due to every list of gear webpage, every single one being different..

wowhead-maxroll.gg-icy-murlock.io-U.gg.

[jagged gust]

weapon

[past laurel]

my wep is myth tho.

just have not upgrade it yet.

[jagged gust]

oh hahaha

[past laurel]

crests farm.. sucks lol

[jagged gust]

Agreed

personally I like crafting jewelry, gives you strong sway over stats

[past laurel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rxf1KrcvCmw3yzdsq9heTf

guess the sim says that too.. lol

blah but the farmable rings have 2x the hast... lol

then crafted.

https://tenor.com/view/math-hangover-movie-the-alan-gif-18437148

hehe

[jagged pier]

dont do that

just vibe

[marsh charm]

why do i feel so overpowered wtf

by the way is there an addon or something that can help with count?

[wicked pollen]

you can look at routes with mdt

[marsh charm]

oh

[young junco]

Be careful with the route you use with Priory though

Hey.

A little bit hesitant about reaching out but I am feeling a bit dumb about Warrior Tanking and think there is something horribly wrong with what I am doing.

Coming from a bear (668) to a warrior and getting my face removed on trash mobs is not something that has been an enjoyable experience. I am clearly doing something very wrong either with rotation or gear.

Rotation:

• On Pull I tend to have Shield Wall up -> Shield Charge Mobs -> Some kind of AoE for threat -> Shield Block -> Slam -> Ignore pain. Then into rotation.

Generally keeping up ignore pain and shield block as much as possible but there are times I just get my face absolutely torn off D: I have those abilities on scroll wheel for ease of access.

Character (663 ilevel):
https://raider.io/characters/eu/ragnaros/Ohgmar

Thank you in advance and please be gentle ;_;

[wicked pollen]

can also mid key but will prob be hard to do game and look at route same time

[young junco]

https://keystone.guru/search?season=15&level=2%3B25&enemy_forces=1&rating=1

This website can link into the tool

[ionic fern]

You start with Charger,not Shield Charge.using SW on pull is not essential unless you're gathering multiple packs. Be sure to always face your enemies or Block won't be effective.TC should be one of your first globals for initial threat + Rend spread.

Keep using SS on CD to maximize rage gen . If you have logs,it would help in providing more precise feedback.

[lavish sleet]

I keep getting conflicten information on Defensive Stance. Some peopel say to mainly stay in it some people say to use it only as a worst case defensive CD as it reduces damdge.

[strong forum]

you almost entirely sit in d-stance these days

[lofty warren]

i thought it was fully illegal to use the other one

[next pasture]

you guys drop indom for ravager nowadays?

this was my indom healing on 15 braunpyke

[jagged pier]

Yes

[next pasture]

959k hps on that boss... definitely one of the spookier ones

i wouldn't die there due to not having indom right?

[jagged pier]

I mean that boss is literally a healer boss

[wicked pollen]

i cant really tell if sustain enough without indom

idk

[marsh charm]

i dont use ravager lol

i have this

[willow edge]

Defensive stance used to reduce the damage prot did. Don't think its done that this expac though. Can basically sit in d stance since the other stance is basically just 3% crit chance.

[strong forum]

if you play colossus id remove thunderlord and put it into ravager

and from HR into ITF if you have over 18k haste

[marsh charm]

that big shout+cd is so nice though

but ill 100% change to ITF later '

currently 9k haste lol

[strong forum]

oof

[marsh charm]

ill have more chances to save idiots from killing themselves

its a win win to me lol

[jagged pier]

U should be tunning instgate ove bloodsurge its better 95% of the time

[marsh charm]

oh is that so

i was thinking the deep wounds proc would happen enough to be worth

[strong forum]

eeeh depends on dungeon

instigate+br is better in ToP and Workshop

[marsh charm]

ahh ok

thats good to know

[strong forum]

outside of that bloodsurge cuz of the mega ultra pulls

[marsh charm]

ill try it on those 2 for sure

also isnt ravager just damage anyways?

i dont think im lacking damage tbh

maybe im wrong

and maybe im overrating challenging shout a bit idk

but it feels good to have that extra control just a little more often

[strong forum]

its rage

burst rage and a TON of aoe dmg

to help you stabilze

[marsh charm]

ill experiment a bit then

see how things feel

[strong forum]

sure

[cyan oriole]

ive seen top tanks going half crit/vers these days(even on crafts they go crit/vers) what is that about

[sharp gale]

I guess they sim their char

[cerulean tusk]

Sounds like they trying to solve a one-shot issue. Perhaps to soften DoT/magic dam intake.

I don't know exactly why, but those are my best guesses. Then it would be to boost tricky/can triple effects

[sharp gale]

Chinese prot players fucking run house of cards + eye of kezan, I don’t think it is surv

My sims does tell me to craft vers shit

[cerulean tusk]

After you reached ITF haste coverage, I presume

[sharp gale]

Yeah I guess they take more than what is theoretically / simmed because you have the no luck on tier to cover, than they just do mix, or play vdh

[cerulean tusk]

Well, I presume we talking pwarrior

[sharp gale]

Yes but Chinese dudes are different beasts

They do crazy shit, I would recommend to watch their streams

[cerulean tusk]

No need to, I don't play at the cutting edge anymore. I am closer to a one button Andy nowadays

Yoda will have more value for me, than them

[sharp gale]

LMAO

[cerulean tusk]

That translation is probably 10/10

[sharp gale]

not a bad boy

[cerulean tusk]

3.3 is not bad, not great

Also, nerf feral indeed

[sharp gale]

i don't understand what i just watched

they started flood 17, they began the first pack no one except the tank hit the pack, and then they left all 5 the key after maybe 10 seconds the brew hitting the mobs

[sharp gale]

wow

[cerulean tusk]

Got ish 10% more dam than my char, just in raw stats

[sharp gale]

[cerulean tusk]

boosted

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[solid sun]

3.3 is not bad, not great?

Psh it’s fantastic

[sharp gale]

it is interesting

they didn't do a bomb on the duo boss and panicked, it exploded and no one died (it's a 17, i thought it did huge damage)

[sharp gale]

you doxed yourself

[marsh charm]

um so

how do i know if i did well or not

i mean if i dont die doesnt mean i did well. i could have been carried too

is this any good lmao

the percentages are uptime

[sharp gale]

you didn't die, you are satisfied with your route / how it went, you contributed well in the key (damage and utilities)

[marsh charm]

well idk i think it went alright

we didnt wipe at least

and we timed the key

so thats something

but like

[sharp gale]

logs would be more helpful for other peoples checking what's going on / but 76% on details seems low enough that i can say there is a shield block thing to improve

[marsh charm]

oh ok

thank you ill try click it more often

[sharp gale]

because on details we can't see what really happened in your dungeon

[marsh charm]

true

[sharp gale]

what key lvl was it ? and did you proc Battle Scarred Veteran if you use it ?

you can check in auras of details i think

[harsh trellis]

Key Timed = you did fine, if you didnt then you wouldnt have timed the key.

[solid sun]

That’s not true

lol

[harsh trellis]

absolutely it is

[solid sun]

Not even remotely true

[harsh trellis]

if you didnt do fine you wouldnt have timed the key

[solid sun]

How many times have you timed a key and thought one of your teammates was absolutely horrid and you carried them?

Just because you timed the key doesn’t mean you did fine

[harsh trellis]

Sure it does

[solid sun]

You can time a key and take a ton of back shots, have horrible SB uptime, not use rage well, spend too much on IP or not interrupt key casts when you were able or have poor defensive usage

[harsh trellis]

2-11 you time the key, youre doin just fine, youll start getting the keys that fall apart in the 10s range with people dipping if it goes south

[lofty warren]

Blizz for

Forgot to add mythic plus non trinkets to dinar vendor. Where to submit ticket for them to fix?

[harsh trellis]

where do you see that

[marsh charm]

wtf is this demolish damage

is it busted or what

[harsh trellis]

thats colossus

Pull big. Hit shit

[marsh charm]

insane tbh

wtf

[peak iron]

u need more revenge spam

but yes

[strong forum]

Needs a lot more revenge

[marsh charm]

Things look a bit different here though

i guess they dont share the same damage thingy

[lusty venture]

Spear + roar ?🤔

[marsh charm]

yes

why not

[harsh trellis]

youre hamstringing your dmg

just go roar

what build are you using?

[lusty venture]

Tclap looks pretty high... how much IP did you send ?

[marsh charm]

ip?

[harsh trellis]

Ignore pain

[marsh charm]

let me check

258

[lusty venture]

Hope you're not giving up on avatar 🫣

[marsh charm]

this is what im running

:D

[harsh trellis]

What key range are you doing?

[marsh charm]

4 lmao

[harsh trellis]

omg

ok

so check this out

[lusty venture]

Send all those ip into revenge !

[harsh trellis]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/war-within-season-2

[marsh charm]

oh

[harsh trellis]

Click the M+ button on that page

and run that build

[marsh charm]

you dont like my build :c

[lusty venture]

Prio revenge over tclap to fish for ss

[harsh trellis]

when you get higher up like 10s and you feel like... Hey Im not sure about this healer im runnin with, then uncheck indomidable and run battle scar vet

[marsh charm]

i thought it looked nice

[harsh trellis]

You wanna make your dps more than the shit dps in your groups in 4s

you want the dps to be so mad

thats the goal

[marsh charm]

oh

i thought my job was to be a tank

[lusty venture]

😏

[harsh trellis]

You know what.... Hey

[marsh charm]

i did do 990k on that dungeon

[lusty venture]

Damage is agro

[harsh trellis]

if youre goal is is to just toy around in lower keys... have fun in your keys

[marsh charm]

im pretty happy with that tbh

[harsh trellis]

far be it from any of us to tell you how to have fun

[marsh charm]

'im 630

so im not that good

[harsh trellis]

dont look at it as a "Im not good or not good" If youre doin keys, and youre surviving

thats all that matters

[marsh charm]

i do feel very tanky

;D

[harsh trellis]

If you were like... Im in this 10 or im in this 11 and I wanna do more dmg. then yeah youd probably need to make some talent adjustments.

[lusty venture]

Me neither... but just Takeshi à sip of that revenge spam and youll be revengeohlic

[marsh charm]

i think the reason i have TC so high is that i use it a lot during pulls

idk what else to use lol

[harsh trellis]

if you like that, swap to mountain thane

[peak iron]

should only really need to use it occasionally at the very start

[marsh charm]

other than the shout

[harsh trellis]

itll blow your mind

[peak iron]

thunderous roar is your aggro on pull

[marsh charm]

ah

[peak iron]

til you can start sending out revenges

[marsh charm]

what about enemies very spread out

[peak iron]

just have to kind of get a feel for it, mountain thane is easier for pulling

[marsh charm]

i do use my throw a bit

but it doesnt really pull agro all that good lol

[peak iron]

that makes it harder but you do what you can and if dps rip aggro that is their fault

[harsh trellis]

depends on the key really... but usually in lower keys, use dps as damage mitigation

[lusty venture]

And more in line with your playstyle if you dont feel changing

[peak iron]

agreed

[marsh charm]

im having fun with demolish tbh

its cool

[peak iron]

but i still recommend colossus cuz its just so much fan to pump

[lusty venture]

Both are fine anyway 😊

[marsh charm]

i checked the m+talents and saw something weird at least to me

why indomitable instead of battle-scarred veteran

the latter seem much stronger no?

[lusty venture]

Indom is garbage

[marsh charm]

then why is it recommended lmao

[harsh trellis]

Indom is good for starting prot warriors

[lusty venture]

Take ravager

[marsh charm]

oh

[harsh trellis]

it compensates for the gear you dont have earlier on

[lusty venture]

More rage to spend

[marsh charm]

but the battle-scarred veteran looks like a must have

[lusty venture]

Or Sc seront talent

[harsh trellis]

it is in 13s

[marsh charm]

at least to what im reading

not what people say but it looks very strong

[harsh trellis]

its just a get out of death card every 3 mins

[marsh charm]

lovely

depending on key level

thats like every 1-3 packs

also i cant see why i would take ravager over something like DS + Thunderlord

[strong forum]

Cuz you don't press tc often enough as Colossus

[marsh charm]

its really strong on paper

i see

[strong forum]

And Ravager is 5%+ dmg

[lusty venture]

Our Master enter the dance !

😍

[strong forum]

And if you don't want Ravager, atleast pick Battering Ram instead of Thunderlord then

Battering Ram is an equal more consistent dmg and rage gain over Ravager

But Thunderlord as Colossus is quite literally anti-synergistic

[marsh charm]

i guess ill try a few talents out

it felt good when i played

idk

but then again im new so what do i know

[strong forum]

Keep in mind

[marsh charm]

oh?

[strong forum]

Pwar tree is so stupidly powerful that none of the choices you actively can make will make you weak

So like, whatever you like most, is whats most important

[marsh charm]

oh ok thats cool!

[strong forum]

As long as you slam the maximum amount of talent points into each gate

You're good to go

Aka 8 in the bottom gate iirc

Yeah 8

You currently have 7

[harsh trellis]

Also, WTF bliz, you make an off-hand transmog and will not let us transmog our shields with it.

[strong forum]

Brother

We got the first cantrip shield since bulwark of azzinoth

[harsh trellis]

WHY cant I be Michelangelo

[strong forum]

And it's 0.01% dmg

[marsh charm]

could you try my build out?

i know you guys dont like it

[strong forum]

Don't need to try it to know it's less dmg

[marsh charm]

but it would be fun to hear what you think once using it?

[harsh trellis]

I dont want to try your build because it would feel bad.

[marsh charm]

oof

[harsh trellis]

Just being honest

[strong forum]

Like there's not much to try

It's 99% the same as anyone else's

And I have played so much pwar that nothing is new

[harsh trellis]

BUT, if you have a build you like. AND YOU are having FUN.... That is awesome.... cant stress that enough and I am glad you enjoy playing your prot warrior.

but you said.... up there....

which leads me to believe you like those bars to be bigger.

[peak iron]

i tell you what if my PUGs aren't saying "wtf warrior dps" after every key im not living

[harsh trellis]

if youre not first youre last

[small steeple]

huh? Are you implying that Col prot warrior is squishy?

[round pendant]

nah I'm good

[peak iron]

no im implying that randoms shit their pants when they realize how much damage colo pwar does when played even passably well

and it feels GOOD

[harsh trellis]

Join a 2 and flex

if a 2 says... Big Pumpers only.... im joining that group every single time

[small steeple]

in a realistic scenario, assuming equal ilvl, dps should do more damage than prot warrior unless they just are bad

but i get what you mean

[harsh trellis]

Yes exactly

[peak iron]

i dont think anything i've said would indicate the contrary lol

and also yes many dps pugs are bad players

[harsh trellis]

if youre at the top in a higher level key with the same ilvl... the smiles turns into a frown

especially if its a hunter or dk

[peak iron]

i had an uhdk who barely outdpsed me in a cinderbrew yesterday he blamed it on raid talents but idk

still timed but it was a sad thing

[harsh trellis]

OOOO MDI is today

[cerulean tusk]

Any warriors in todays group?

If not

[peak iron]

i doubt it unless the group comp rules necessitate it

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/onimai-anime-sleep-mihari-oyama-gif-27609322

[dusky canopy]

They probably run a warrior as a throw away spec since they have rules in place now where they can’t just be meta spec for everything

Or maybe that’s the next TGP idr

[shut summit]

ye there will be prot warrs this weekend is what i was told by some peeps

largely cuz of comp/ spec rules

[lusty grotto]

I was under the impression that class bans was only for the time trials... If it's not, then it'll finally be a very interesting MDI

Looking forward to it

Honestly should be a thing every MDI

[urban portal]

What are the rules

I haven’t heard about this

[lusty grotto]

I'm not particularly sure at this point

Sense would know more for sure

All I know is that there was some chatter about class bans

[harsh trellis]

omg the time trials are 20s and 21s

[lusty grotto]

And that it might be both good for viewers and a bad thing for teams practicing the one comp only and scheduling

So at least for us, it's exciting but practicing will be multiples of hell for the teams

https://raider.io/mythic-dungeon-international/the-war-within-season-2/highlights might touch on it, currently at work but I'll watch it later

[shut summit]

idk wat they are exactly

[lusty grotto]

Also mdi is now tgp

No more old mdi

Gingi thumbnail

Lol

[charred ivy]

what trinkets do u guys use for m+?

[marsh charm]

i took up on your advice to use more revenge

its now more that tc

[solid sun]

I’m currently running pacemaker and tome

I’m working my way through 13s

[charred ivy]

according to Bloodmallets list tome is very far down but heard many say its good?

[marsh charm]

bloodmallet is a weird site

take it with a grain of salt

it only tests one character with specific gear. so you dont even know if its accurate to your own

[dusky canopy]

You have to sim tome the way you would play around it to gain the dps

Bloodmallet is generic

[marsh charm]

and its not 100% if the talents used are good or even close to your own

[solid sun]

If you look in the pins you will see that there’s a special way to sim tome

A new apl or whatever you have to put in

Bloodmallet does not do that

[frosty mango]

Bloodmallet just sims pure bis too yea?

Pretty sure it’s just the simcraft raid bis profile

So it’s more of a tier list than anything - results may vary (drastically) depending on your current gear

[solid sun]

It also doesn’t factor in vibe checks at all

Thumbing through my book in the middle of the dungeon so I do big dam hits pretty hard with the vibes

[warm plinth]

War go zug, need read what do next

[frosty mango]

The amount of people I see in raid using eye of kezan on a 3 minute heroic boss hurts my soul

[round cliff]

is there literally any way to skip parts of the hyjal qyestline

😭

[marsh charm]

maybe they dont have anything else lol

[round cliff]

i dont wanna do 499 quests for a funny hunter pet

[frosty mango]

They do

[marsh charm]

well then i dont know lol

[frosty mango]

I had a tank on h gally the other day using mud and bombsuit and I said dude why?

And he said “I am helping the healers”

[small steeple]

"grrr tank get hit, tank sit there and take it"

[solid sun]

They’re scared, dude

They done seen some shit

[frosty mango]

The ultimate irony is they’re using 2 pure defensive trinkets and can’t generate enough threat to hold the boss so they end up not using them before we wipe because the other tank keeps ripping threat

[solid sun]

lol

[dense remnant]

defensive trinkets aint the reason someone's losing threat, im quite sure

[solid sun]

Well the problem is that the other tank isn’t also using double defensive trinkets

Silly goose

[frosty mango]

Double defensive trinkets are 100% a valid reason a tank would lose threat to another tank

Especially on pull

[warm plinth]

Eh. I doubt it. Unless you have some massive on-use damage trinket you're using during taunt window, that shouldn't be the case.

[frosty mango]

If I am full sending and you are full sending, and I am doing 3x your dps because my trinkets are up that math don’t math

[peak iron]

were they playing a tauren

[frosty mango]

I dunno I think it was a night elf?

[peak iron]

would you guys pay 100k gold for an indestructible shield because i would

[warm plinth]

No

Repairs never factor into my decision making

[frosty mango]

That’s a lot of shield repairs for a positive return on investment

[warm plinth]

You probably won't even save 100k in repairs over the time you own the shield

[peak iron]

its not about the money

[nocturne spindle]

Blacksmith gang gang

[peak iron]

its just annoying how much faster shield breaks vs other gear even though it makes sense

[frosty mango]

Don’t play an mm hunter

You think shield is bad

[dense remnant]

how are you noticing that your shield breaks faster?

how rarely do you repair?

[warm plinth]

Idk I habitually repair constantly so I've never had to worry about that lol

[frosty mango]

Every arrow of rapid fire counts as a shot so your bow breaks like 5x faster than anything else

To the point where I carry a second bow

[dense remnant]

huh

why wouldnt you just carry a stack of anvils

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

[peak iron]

i repair between every dungeon and sometimes during if needed with anvils

[dense remnant]

and use repair mount when you can

how much are you dying in your dungeons

[frosty mango]

I do but I’m not trying to use my brain like that

[peak iron]

i notice by mousing over my gear and seeing that my shield is at like 40 durability after one dungeon with zero deaths

[dense remnant]

....

thats not correct

theres no way

[warm plinth]

It doesn't matter what durability it's at unless it's 0

[lusty grotto]

Im tracking my repair costs with the hammer add on and it's way up there

[warm plinth]

Just repair if

It

[peak iron]

okay maybe 60 who knows

but im loving this discussion 😄

[weak snow]

is colossus prot the highest dps tank in m+ atm?

[frosty mango]

I don’t think there’s anything that makes shield take more dura loss is there?

[frosty mango]

Yes

[dense remnant]

anyhoo, is there a way to to force sim only execute phase on raidbots?

[warm plinth]

Just the fact that its a shield but I'd be surprised if you were losing 60% of it in one dungeon with no deaths

[weak snow]

by a big amount or just a little ahead?

[frosty mango]

Bdk I guess might overtake with some sort of lottery winning luck but I don’t think that would ever happen

[lusty grotto]

With a custom APL

[frosty mango]

I guess if we’re talking maximum potential prot is a decent amount ahead

Not enough to be broken, because they nerfed us

Sad

[lusty grotto]

We don't have a specific number

[dense remnant]

is there a list of commands like this?

[lusty grotto]

No

[dense remnant]

aight, time to tag a raidbots nerd

ty

[frosty mango]

Anecdotally I would say I finish most dungeons on my war between 2.2 and 2.6m dps and when I am not on my war, most tanks are in the 1.6-2.1 range. But that’s feelycraft

[lusty grotto]

You have to make your own or hop over to Arms and ask

[peak iron]

just make your own lol

[frosty mango]

Warcraftlogs should have data on overall tank dps

[lusty grotto]

I'm sure Archi or #arms can help out

[lusty grotto]

This is as close as you can possibly get, based on logged keys

Take it with a grain of salt

[frosty mango]

We’re s tier boys

Sound the alarm

[peak iron]

they need to revert the colossus nerfs its not enough

[frosty mango]

Are there really only 1000 logged runs?

Out of the millions of keys run, only 1000?

[lusty grotto]

We're in a good place right now, don't ruin it with nerf bait

[frosty mango]

Imo prot is probably in the best place it has been in many seasons

[lusty grotto]

It's for a specific range of key levels

And only for this week

[frosty mango]

Colossus gives us knock up on shockwave which is huge for utility, and colossus also gives us spec freedom to play disrupting which is also pretty big

[peak iron]

feels as good as it has since end of bfa imo

but keys were very different back then ofc

[frosty mango]

Knock-up doesn’t DR afaik and shockwaves low cd basically gives you an aoe stop on a massively short cd

[lusty grotto]

We're slowly going back to BFA levels of cog load, this season is a move in that direction

Now

About those dumb target caps and soft caps..

[peak iron]

question is which tank will be meta next season assuming they follow the somewhat usual pattern of dethroning the top one from the previous season

all i can say for sure is it wont be brewmaster

[frosty mango]

“I whirlwind 360 degrees through 40 mobs”
i miss 32 of them

[frosty mango]

It will be pally or dh the same that it always is

[peak iron]

you dont know that

[frosty mango]

Meta only has to do with kit interaction and those are the only tanks with utility heavy kits that don’t dr with most classes

So I feel like I do know that lol

[lusty grotto]

Did you miss DF s3 and s4? Or SL all seasons? You did mention BFA so you know that statement ain't true

[frosty mango]

Though this season I will say if they didn’t nerf colossus I could see prot being meta

The damage was enough to offset I think

[patent osprey]

If priory wasnt a dungeon i could see it also 😉

[frosty mango]

They made the right choice though, the amount of damage we’d be doing now and at 680 would not be healthy for m+

[peak iron]

you know what good point i went heals for s3 DF and skipped s4 DF altogether, slands i was playing vdh the whole time and never though about it

[shut summit]

priory needa be nuked if/when it comes back next season

[peak iron]

i cant believe the community is gonna make me do ara kara again

that dungeon is puke

[frosty mango]

You don’t like chasing mobs all dungeon, having to land 70 interrupts, and clenching your butthole because every boss has a stacking dot you can’t really mitigate?

[lusty grotto]

Don't you mean silenced

Fuck I have office days

[frosty mango]

Gotta negotiate harder

[lusty grotto]

Yeah...

[shut summit]

yep dungeon designed just to fuck us up basically

[frosty mango]

Got mine dropped because “traffic” was making the commute not viable

[shut summit]

not being able to block shield slam is a bit too on the nose

[frosty mango]

Tbh for priory I’m just never going to run anything but double dk mm again

Ideal in general? No

Ideal for me? Yes

Having 60 grips and infinite on pull threat gen makes the rest of the place tolerable ish

[lusty grotto]

I only have 2 office days so it's not too bad

[frosty mango]

I work in cyber/ai so I had a decent argument to get mine dropped

[solid sun]

We can’t block shield slam???

[frosty mango]

I still had to climb six mountains of red tape tho

[solid sun]

It’s just a melee hit

Why is he a better warrior than us

[frosty mango]

You can avoid thunderclap if you get tigerslust/freedom

But I think shield slam has something to do with the damage being coded into the kickback?

[peak iron]

does deaths advance negate it for bdk?

[solid sun]

Tigers lust works too? I thought it was just freedom

[peak iron]

ive heard tigers lust works for the tclap but i never have monks in my groups so im not sure

[frosty mango]

Works when I’m on my monk

[solid sun]

I didn’t think it provided immunity to slows like freedom does

[frosty mango]

I just press it as soon as it goes off and I take no damage

I could also just be not taking damage because it’s like 10/11

[peak iron]

i think youd still notice the damage on 10/11 unless you are brewmaster then maybe not

[solid sun]

Well I usually assume I’m wrong about whatever I think so you’re probably right

You suggested I play rsham for a reason

[frosty mango]

Yes because it’s good and we need more

Rsham stonks on the rise

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure, I’m usually sending crackling there so if it did anything it’s just gonna get immediately healed off

[peak iron]

yeah fair, ill ask meg next time she streams

[frosty mango]

I am not a good mw

I just try to do a bunch of damage I pay zero attention to if people are dying or any other nuance of the class

[peak iron]

healing hard as shit i healed for 1 season and was awful at it compared to tanking

mw can do big dam its fun i had one do 1m overall in a key

[frosty mango]

But I’m doing 800k healer dps on a boss so yall better pop them defensives because ya boy is pumping

[marsh charm]

loool

healer war when

[peak iron]

balance discussions aside i dont understand why dps warriors at least cant have bloodlust it makes sense from class fantasy perspective

[marsh charm]

dont know

and i also dont know why mage has everything

• best damage

well technically unholy is better in damage in m+ but still

[frosty mango]

Dunno

Maybe technically overall but arcane brings more to the key imo

[marsh charm]

yeah

it does

[frosty mango]

Boss dps is a massive timer save

And funnel

[marsh charm]

mhm

[peak iron]

mage is just the main character of wow has been for all of history

[marsh charm]

yep

[peak iron]

at least one of the specs must always be top 3

[marsh charm]

why did they even buff arcane

makes no sense

[dense remnant]

hmmmmm, i think i might play thane for hopefully last night of prog on mugzee 🤔

[peak iron]

approximately

[solid sun]

Arcane mage and mage are not the same

[marsh charm]

dam

[solid sun]

Arcane is almost always third fiddle

[peak iron]

so that the mages in my pugs can accidentally pull things with arcane orb instead of doing shit damage as fire

[marsh charm]

lol

10/10

oh also

i had this weird pull in priory

that lasted 7:20 minutes

i somehow didnt die but people died left and right. it was chaos

and they pulled more by accident lol

to make it worse

ive never felt so much panic lmao

at least we didnt wipe but it was dam close a few times

[peak iron]

does the 7:20 include deaths on the timer

[marsh charm]

no

just the time fighting that one pull

it felt like it would never end

[solid sun]

Was it at the beginning of priory

[marsh charm]

end

[peak iron]

sounds like a warrior's dream tbh other than the group deaths

[marsh charm]

near last boss

[peak iron]

oh jeez

[marsh charm]

it was fun

but i was stressed

is there a way to see how low you were during a pull on details

or is that not a thing

[peak iron]

hp wise? you can see on logs not sure about details

[marsh charm]

ahh ok

i really need to start logging

[frosty mango]

Why not just reset

Dragging out a pull 7 mins is wild I feel like

[naive panther]

I mean if it's 7 minutes worht of trash I guess that's ok. I was in a lower ML, 10-12, and somehow healer pulled ton of stuff so I grabbed it, but then we ended up pulling a ton more that was supposed to be skipped, time wise it ended up fine, but just kept getting more. Then the freshly rerolled arcane mage kept pulling more in other parts. yes there was death but still stomped it.

And then we had scuffed meadery 13, on my dh this time, where I had to solo bee boss and final boss, about 4 minutes on final boss alone. Group couldn't have killed it after a restart in that time anyways so they asked me to just finish it rather than wipe and restart.

correction 14 meadery, not that it matters, but dh broken

[solid sun]

That was a fun story to read

I’d like to know more about the freshly rerolled arcane mage

How did they keep pulling more? Did they do good damage?

What spurred you on to keep the pull going? Would you do it again?

[harsh trellis]

Pack with the floating fire specter thing?

It's healing

If the packs at end of priory take too long. Someone isn't kicking the priest

Or those fire things are getting their radiant heal off

If you pull trash out of its final cast and you have 2 of them you're in for a long fight

[marsh charm]

yea

[naive panther]

Rhino, it actually was chaotic yet fun at same time, mage did way more damage than he should have for his lousy item level. They are just that good kinda crazy strong class atm.

[solid sun]

Seems pretty chaotic. I usually just let it end and go again

Otherwise my healer friends get pretty salty

[naive panther]

Would have been smarter.. Sometimes it's just fun to see if you can handle all of the extra and stay alive.

But if it bricks the key bad idea. Our 14 brew was borderline scuffed, going into the final bee wing, had a couple deaths but still possible to time, then we royally botched it, mostly my fault for pulling second pull before what we had was dead. A pug would call it there typically, but they wanted to finish it still. Seems like performance drops tremendously after people know it can't be timed or mistakes start happening and then a chain reaction.

[solid sun]

What do we think, team? Is Yoda on one or is Yoda cooking

Two most recent tweets regarding m+

1. Timing a resil key should award five fewer points than a standard key

2. M+ dinars should be locked behind resil 15 or 16

[cerulean tusk]

Why would you want to lock dinars behind content that only the 1% would do, aka: Only boosters win?

[solid sun]

Well he said with them being locked behind resil 12 it’s not a win for m+ers but a win for everyone

If you wanted it to be a win for m+ers it’d need to be resil 15 or 16

[cerulean tusk]

That is the point? Everyone wins

I hope you understand, most players do not do 10s, most players struggle with HC raid

Don't make a system based on the 1% or even worse the 0.1%

[solid sun]

I’m just presenting the take. I’m not defending it

[cerulean tusk]

It is a bad take

Elitist at best, malicious at worst

[round pendant]

I can't say my take or I might get banned

Dinars are already stated as being for bad luck protection

I don't agree with even their current implementation

[warm plinth]

Horrible take

[round pendant]

but are you saying only a minority of people eligible to recieve myth trinkets (from vault) deserve the bad luck protection?

awful awful take

[shut summit]

i kinda dislike resilient keystones but don't think gating loot after the fiasco that dinars were originally would go over well lol

[round pendant]

why don't you like resi keys?

[warm plinth]

What makes you dislike resil?

[peak iron]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[round pendant]

literally me

[shut summit]

just promotes poor gameplay with doing however many attempts until you get it right, i hate doing the same dungeon over and over

[solid sun]

Isn’t that how raiding works?

[round pendant]

That's why I'd personally go even further with the system

[solid sun]

I mean if you hate raiding too then I guess this just makes sense

[round pendant]

and just allow you to run any dungeon you want

and m2-10 would be squished into 3 levels

[warm plinth]

Ahaha I just laughed out loud at that Rhino because you're right

[shut summit]

yea exactly it's like raiding which i don't want to be doing in 5mans

[warm plinth]

I can't agree that it promotes poor gameplay. It may not punish poor gameplay by dropping the key level, but that's not the same as promoting it. And you still had to get that key in the first place.

[shut summit]

yep exactly, I think there is potential for it to be a good system but im not a fan of this first iteration

"you" didn't have to get it, someone in the group did

[round pendant]

I think it promotes poor gameplay in the sense that it encourages just getting the perfect first few pulls and resetting if you don't

but like, I'd rather that over than just getting my free time deleted

[warm plinth]

For a 12, sure you could make that argument. But unless people are out there inviting people whose highest key is an 11 to 13s, they may not have physically gotten that specific key, but they've earned that key level.

[peak iron]

bring back legion key depletion system

[round pendant]

Also it's really weird if you're running your own keys rn and say you haven't unlocked resi keys yet

[warm plinth]

Lanta why you trolling lol

[shut summit]

lol hell no legion system

[round pendant]

say you need 1 more 12 to get resi 12s

it feels brutal to brick that key

[peak iron]

me?? trolling?? smh i resent the accusation

[warm plinth]

[round pendant]

better off joining pugs or joining your friends who already have resi keys

and then you eventually get infinite attempts on your last +1

[solid sun]

I don’t see how resil keys promote poor gameplay, if by gameplay you mean how the players are playing the key

[warm plinth]

What would you prefer it look like Sense? Because it seems like a lot of high key players asked for something like resilient (being able to practice high level keys vs having to push back up a pointless key because you failed the high attempt)

[solid sun]

If it does then so do raid bosses

[warm plinth]

Not saying you asked for it, but a lot of high key players did

[solid sun]

I think key depletion is fairly bad in general. And I think getting random dungeons as keys is just super weird

[round pendant]

imo we should have M0, M1 (4 diff), M2 (7 diff), M3 (10 diff) and then it's pick your own dungeon at m4 til you do them all at 4 and so on

just scrap keystones

I can't think of a downside to this system other than the highest keys will be a little higher

[warm plinth]

You said you dont want to raid in 5 mans but surely progging mythic is better than having to go back and rekill heroic bandit because you wiped on mythic

[shut summit]

im not saying it's bad or shouldn't exist i just dislike how they currently work

[dense remnant]

raid has the biggest boss before you can pull anything in prog, its called the roster boss

[warm plinth]

Right. Im just curious if you had something in mind for how you would prefer it worked is all.

[dense remnant]

but also wtb an account bound achievement of some sort that makes it so that your alt keys can never decay below +10

[warm plinth]

I know sometimes I dislike something but I dont necessarily have something better in mind

[round pendant]

Someone tell me their opinion on my idea!!