wtf?
#protection
steady pollen
Newbie Prot, I'm not seeing a reason to have Whirlwind on the bar... am I wrong?
lofty warren
What rules?
lusty grotto
its a sub only WA
lofty warren
Newbie Prot, I'm not seeing a reason to have Whirlwind on the bar... am I wrong?
Remove its illegal to have on bars
lusty grotto
so it falls under sharing subbed/paid things in this discord
lofty warren
Is it good? I subbed once to get his ui and had trouble when I asked for help the mobs muted me. Not very helpful
lusty grotto
the naowh mods are pretty toxic lol
but it is what it is
i float between his and atrocity
its w/e
just get whatever srimshaw gets
lofty warren
Where is srimshaw
solid sun
Who is srimshaw
round pendant
man I don't know how to pull cinderbrew first room
if I pull chewie + muscle people die and chewie is still alive for 20 years after
solid sun
Were you playing with your friend
solid sun
I’m not. It’s just their chosen spec
steady pollen
if I pull chewie + muscle people die and chewie is still alive for 20 years afte...
I tend to only pull Chewie with fodder mobs, maybe a normal pack, never with a muscle
solid sun
It’s hard to pull Chewie while avoiding muscles imo
steady pollen
I pull 2 Muscles with the first pull on lust
lofty warren
Why chewy have so much hp
steady pollen
then Chewie with some fodder
then the rest of the room
Whole room is 3 pulls including Chewie
leaving the corner pack alone
steady pollen
or to be pulled with the boss if you are skippoing else wheere
you can pull them with phase 1 of boss and cleave them
solid sun
I think my first pull also features two muscles
If you’re pugging dps I think having an arcane mage is pretty nice in that dungeon
steady pollen
My experience is just at a +13 though so
and on Bear / VDH, I'm a baby Prot Warrior
steady pollen
I just love to tank
jagged gust
Is there a way to skip the penultimate trash pack in workshop with a monk?
lusty grotto
if youre fast, with RoP probably
jagged gust
got a udk boomie enh shammy fistweaver comp
lusty grotto
soothe doesnt affect the big guy
RoP shouldnt either
you go behind them
i wouldnt try it if the monk isnt familiar with ti
jagged gust
❤️
solid sun
How dangerous is running the damage build in raid vs the punish one
lusty grotto
not a lot more punishing
the problem is SB
so you might need to bolster if you wanna keep it
its mid punishing
jagged gust
how do you take bolster? Drop BR?
Though if we're talking heroic I don't think spell block is a necessity, eh?
solid sun
As one of the resident heroic raiders I feel like spell block helps
lusty grotto
happy does it with ravager, i think
just swaps ravager with bolster if im not mistaken
but only for sprocket
solid sun
I’m helping other people wrap up aotc and was considering running the execute build just to make things more fun
lusty grotto
lol i didnt mean it because it was you
sick sentinel
hm what are the best tanking trinkets this patch? does anyone know? every tier list i find are just for dps ones.
lusty grotto
bomb suit and mud
thats it
you pair it with a tome and youre good
idk its pretty simple to read
and this one has some value in at least floodgate
and this one
past laurel
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tYjCqq3arG3JxTT38fYmci What would craft for m+? i have 5 sparks
red tree
Weapon shield other stuff
lusty grotto
shield
past laurel
i have myth wep, and Heroic gally shield.
past laurel
gally shield not that good?
lusty grotto
ilvl >>> all on shields
red tree
It is pretty low damage
past laurel
kk.
solid sun
We can, however, if it helps get the point across
Bilingual in this channel
How did we feel about those little mini raids
One of them had Odin and that Cerberus dude in it
Another one has the void stuff going on and was crazy hard
modern nimbus
Hey guys I’m curious how you guys approach packs with and with avatars? Sometimes I feel like I can’t my mitigation off without using charge and demo roar but feel like I waste demo roar when they aren’t grouped
pallid quiver
On first pull, charge+avatar alone is enough to get SB running. If you have trouble having shield block up for packs after, that's a play issue with you likely sending shield block too aggressively near the end of pulls that are petering and dying out
lusty grotto
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tYjCqq3arG3JxTT38fYmci What would craft f...
also btw dont use dungeon slice, the APL supports it but it not optimized for it
past laurel
ahh okay
modern nimbus
are you thane or colossus
Colossus
modern nimbus
On first pull, charge+avatar alone is enough to get SB running. If you have trou...
Ok I can work on that
lusty grotto
are you talented into crackling?
you should be for gathering and setting up pulls
and troar
troar into tclap with crackling, set up a ravager
that'll give you enough rage along with charge + avatar
then demo then demolish when they are close enough
modern nimbus
are you talented into crackling?
im not im learning prot and resorted to archons most popular build
ill drop intervene and run it though
lusty grotto
good idea
wooden widget
does BSV reset in between pulls?
warm plinth
I'm completely indifferent to intervene because it's a stupid spell.
No, it resets when 3 minutes have passed.
steady pollen
With shield block, how often should we expect it to be down?
Or rather, is it intended to be kept up 100%?
warm plinth
Pretty close, yes. Provided you are running the proper talents, it should be pretty easy to do so.
warm plinth
thats not super helpful
It's the same as basically every other oh shit safety net kind of thing, except the rest take longer since they actively prevent you from dying.
Purgatory takes 4 minutes, Last Resort takes 8. The only shorter one is Ardent Defender.
warm plinth
In any case, ours is honestly stronger overall by a lot; the only caveat is that it doesn't actually have a cheat death effect. 80% DR for 8 seconds + 100% more healing received is an insanely powerful effect. The only thing that balances it is how little we should drop that low with proper play.
wicked pollen
i think the paladin one is strongest by far
warm plinth
How so
wicked pollen
45s cd only downside is its easier to proc accidentally
warm plinth
It's a 45 second CD with two talent points spent to improve it, and you don't use it to cheat death primarily; it's basically their demoralizing shout.
pallid quiver
you also get damage out of it, as well, since things that hit you while it (and divine shield) is up take damage
lusty grotto
@warm plinth 640 dps alt, should i run brann as dps?
fuck it im sending it as dps
i aint no biiii
warm plinth
Send it
lusty grotto
i did it 😄
helps having a lvl 67 brann i guess lol
and a warbound best in slots 🙂
round cliff
i dont think i have any warbound mail gear
idk how to gear my hunter 😭
catchup gear from the new event and then key spam ig
getting my delves in until hero geared
lusty grotto
i just full veteran'd them
then did 2 weeks of new event for 2 champ piecs
then delves
i had so much warbound vet/champ gear that it wasn't that hard
steady pollen
Is there a recommended rotation guide? Is the Method site guide fairly accurate?
lusty grotto
idk if people have gone over it
but wowhead/icyveins should be good
tl;dr:
1. keep Shield Block (SB) up, as close to 100% as you possibly can. This is your Active Mitigation, its important.
2. Colossus: SS > TC (if low rage or missing rend) > Revenge (3 targets or more) = Execute (less than 3 targets)
3. Thane: TB > SS > TC > Revenge/Execute (same target count applies)
4. Never rage starve, never rage cap
5. If over 70 rage and a SS is ready, use Ignore Pain
6. Use Outburst on SS unless if you're thane, then you use it on TB > SS > TC (if more than 5 targets)
7. As Colossus only use Outburst on SS
mighty valley
- be swag and hype, always
lusty grotto
- As Colossus and with a high target count and only if Ravager is up and hitting mobs: you can probably spam Revenge without using SS, just watch your rage bar
- Thane burst: TB to clear any stacks then Ravager into Avatar + Demo Shout + Troar/Spear + TB and SS and IP rage burn
- Colossus burst: Ravager into Avatar + Demo Shout into Demolish > Troar/Spear
i dont think i should go into anymore the basics should be covered on the tl;dr message
anything else is situational or for min/maxing dps
lucid mica
May sound stupid but as i have only played vdh for the last 6 years im used to the offensive spells being the same as defensive spells, so im really struggling to know what to do in big damage taken situations for example first cinderbrew pull or bee side, i tend to use all rage to SB and revenge but i dont know when stop revenging and spam IP if thats even useful, like i dont know how to play to survive rather than to do max damage, do you have any tip on how you manage this? Thank you
lusty grotto
uhh
bee side? just spell block
use your walls
they have a cdr through AM for a reason
solid sun
You aren’t really supposed to be spamming IP
mighty valley
it will feel sort of wrong if you’re staring at your current IP but playing for max rage gen is still correct, it’s just about pressing defensives (and getting externals if it’s true danger)
lusty grotto
and dont get back hit
lucid mica
Maybe the past me thought that humans looked cooler and here i am being human
solid sun
I’m a human
lusty grotto
i mean its hard to say whats killing you without logs
mighty valley
I play fucking nightborne, I might as well not have facials
lusty grotto
but i know for a fact, the bleed chunks me, and back hits are a killer
lucid mica
I have logs of everything yep, but didnt want to share a log in main channel and annoy someone, im struggling with this and a bit with aggro tbh
lusty grotto
youre doing 16s right?
mighty valley
no one is ever gonna be annoyed by you sharing a log, the sickos love poring over that shit
lucid mica
Loke not in a start of a pull but when someone pulls other pull or bees in bee boss, i put cinderbrew for example because i just did it
lusty grotto
17s?
lucid mica
youre doing 16s right?
16s on main, in this char 10s
lusty grotto
ok well
lucid mica
If i were this braindead and doing 16s smth would be off
lucid mica
🙂
lusty grotto
link the log here
lucid mica
Ahh yeah mb
lucid mica
(Im very aware about my SB uptime, im really trying to hit it more)
lusty grotto
dont hit it more
you want uptime, it only stacks in duration to a cap
it doesnt stack in magnitude
its not iron fur
lucid mica
Yet 50% blocked hits only in brew
lusty grotto
this is how many back hits you took
i.e. with shield block up
kinda hard to say how many back hits you got without SB up
gotta face your targets
lucid mica
Yes i noticed some times that i was very bad positioned but i get distracted if i have to catch aggro mid pull for example, it happened 3/4 times for sure, im no way near to be used to this character and play it intuitively
lusty grotto
you died because your healer didnt even penance you
the only big heal you have there is insurance
actually he did penance, just a little too late
i know penance is nerfed but that seems extremely low for it
lucid mica
That was a wipe because mage and evoker were dead iirc
lucid mica
Dead because aggro on bees got to say
It was so difficult to catch aggro on that boss for me
lusty grotto
i use troar on a wave
then challenging on another
rinse and repeat
if all else fails, just taunt leap taunt
and heroic throw
and if everything else keeps shitting the fan, save an outburst for TC
and just outburst a TC on them
lucid mica
Ah i see, makes sense, does heroic throw generates really high threat or is the throw glaive of wars?
lucid mica
also dont start a pull with SC
a 😦 i thought that was good
lusty grotto
a 😦 i thought that was good
no dont SC to gap close
i mean i kinda feel like its ok to do in that pull
its dangerous enough
what ive been doing lately is i just pop Bomb Suit and leap in
right in the middle
lucid mica
i mean i kinda feel like its ok to do in that pull
Yeah but i do that every pull so ill remember
lusty grotto
troar + clap + ravager
pull done
then i just s-key little by little so they dont creep up my flank
solid sun
CanNOT let these little duders creep up your flank
lucid mica
And about when not to spam revenge and thinking about IP? Do i only refresh IP when its about to fade or earlier? 😦
Bc i dont see myself living 12s or 13s as im playing rn
lucid mica
Perfect
lusty grotto
if youre human you gotta track the bleed
on that first room
its called Mean Mug, i believe its Jarrazo
lucid mica
I mean this is not so many rage wasted but its much much more revenge than ip
lusty grotto
in the spanish version
lucid mica
its called Mean Mug, i believe its Jarrazo
Yes i see it over my health bar
lusty grotto
if you have high stacks of it
shockwave
back off
wait for a reset
if youre not parrying, youll get it stacked fast and it hurts
lucid mica
Yes they have been a problem before now i know how to reset, before i just stood still until either pull or me dies
lusty grotto
sometimes the parry god is not on our side 🙂
sadly
the green part is bleed damage
grey is toss, but its probably cause you ate by mistake
lucid mica
Nimchip i know it may sound like im joking and it would be really cool what is green there but colorblind human war here
lusty grotto
ah sorry
lucid mica
hahahaa
lucid mica
this?
lusty grotto
i doubt wcl has colorblind filters
yeah no i just wanted you to see in comparison with the other damage that was happening
if you get blocking locked down, and you can manage that bleed, youll feel sturdier on those pulls
lucid mica
Fantastic, i need to remember that spell block exists too, there are so many buttons coming from vdh that has 5
But so many new info to work on tomorrow
Thats good
lusty grotto
also make sure you prio target hopgoblins, and never take a back hit from them
they have the highest white hits on that dungeon
that way you can stack some punish on them
lucid mica
🫡
lusty grotto
bee side is where you wanna spell block a lot due to final stings etc
lucid mica
But i spell block to the mid-end of the pull then no?
lusty grotto
nah i just press it when they start final stinging tbh
lucid mica
JAJAJAJA tendré cuidado, good night!
sinful copper
spell block works on final stings?!?!? 😮
lusty grotto
obligatory: always check the spell reflect / blockable sheet thats pinned
round cliff
my ass cannot remember that sheet i tried
at this point if im abt to take any kind of magic dmg i just press it
it probably does something maybe
pallid quiver
and that's the way to do it
Really, you only need to look for things that specifically hurt and tankbusters and remember those
lusty grotto
yeah pretty much
simple tendon
so, mr.warriors, if i was to make a prot warrior alt for m+ and could get some friends to give me a full mythic clear for cartel chips
specifically for m+
what pieces would i want to buy with the cartel chip?
shield + house of cards? eye of kezan?
simple tendon
assume what you will!
simple tendon
shield not worth taking?
lusty grotto
sure i guess
its not that big anyway vs other myth shields
bomb suit
those are your 5 dinars
lusty grotto
ok, just send me 10 mil and ill answer that 🙂
simple tendon
lol, really not paying for a boost 😛
lusty grotto
you want jastor first
hoc = bombsuit
kezan = shield
thats basically the order
if you dont have a myth shield, however
shield will go first
and bombsuit or hoc 2nd, depending on what you want to gear first, if defensive or offensive
kezan is last cause its very situational, its strong in M+, just not in all the dungeons
and also strong on raid overall, but only if fights are over 5m long
simple tendon
ya, looked through every 3500 pwar and trinkets were just ridiculously inconsistent/preference so felt the need to ask somewhere
obviously if they have it they are using shield
and almost no1 actually has a jastors
simple tendon
ofc
violet ginkgo
btw 1 button rotation poggies 
simple tendon
i didnt fact check it
but someone told me the .2 second delay
was a 30,000 haste equivalent
simple tendon
my biggest concern with it was there are mythic raiding players that if the button handles movement properly
should def have it on there bars
just to spam while they do mechanics
round cliff
that shit is gonna be so dumb
lusty grotto
i see
lusty grotto
people shouldn't really be using it on a myth level regardless...
they didnt say it would be perfect
they said its there for people to learn a class, do delves, fuck aroud in the open world
simple tendon
sure, im just saying ive seen some of the people at the bottom of HoF/CE
and they just panic and cant do a rotation when doing mechanics
but im sure they could just bind it to scroll wheel and forgot about the rotation during that if it handles movement
lusty grotto
i suppose we'll find out once it hits ptr
jagged pier
U do know there have been macros for every class and spec like this for years?
So if it was the best way to play all the hof and ce players would already be doing it
violet ginkgo
no way it actually does an optimal rotation
I think for example if you just learn a new class it will help a lot but pass certain threshold after you understand the class you might do better manually.
round cliff
I think for example if you just learn a new class it will help a lot but pass ce...
this is my blackpilled gamer take but
things like hekili are actively detrimental to my and probably a good number of people's ability to actually LEARN a class
wicked pollen
its because they are
round cliff
like
im not not pressing thunderclap because prio list says not to
im not pressing it because i know WHY not to and WHEN to
theres a difference there
vital vale
any tips for the trash before 1st boss in DFC? its always so messy as a warrior
its not particularly difficult but it feels unsmooth and id like to clean it up a bit
im aware of things my party can do to help, like frost nova and vortex etc, but im more interested in what i can do
jagged pier
Disrupting shout
vital vale
yeah i use that right when i pass the tunnel and aggro the two casters
it helps a lot initially but then the entire pull loses control over time
violet ginkgo
im not pressing it because i know WHY not to and WHEN to
well but sadly there is no one can tell blizzard this is a bad idea.
jagged pier
Guys please stop with this if you dont want to use it, dont. Its a great accessibility feature
arctic marten
Does Battle-Scarred Veteran function like Will of the Necropolis for death knights? Or can I die without triggering it?
jagged pier
It being in the game doesnt effect you at all, so why are you saying its good or bad for blizz to do x or y. U dont want to learn a spec that way? Dont 
jagged pier
Does Battle-Scarred Veteran function like Will of the Necropolis for death knigh...
No and yes, the thing with BSV is isnt doesnt save you from death, technically its svaes you from dropping below 30%
Now the 80% dr and 100% healing increase does make it fairly hard to die onces its proced
But u can still die with it up and on u
arctic marten
To confirm, if I am at like 35% HP, and take a hit that does 35% of my HP, I would just die and Battle-Scarred Veteran would not trigger, is that correct?
jagged pier
No it should trigger and save you
But in the same vain if your at 35% and you take a hit thats does or will do 6% it will also proc
The dr will apply to the hit that would take u below 30%
arctic marten
For the hit that drops me below 30%, is the 80% damage reduction applied to the entire hit, or only the portion that would have taken me below 30%?
jagged pier
Entire i believe
Cause u can take a mechanic at 100% and have your hp will hardly move but u proc bsv
arctic marten
Thank you
hardy snow
For the hit that drops me below 30%, is the 80% damage reduction applied to the ...
when Blizz was updating it, they said reduction should trigger only for the part that hits you under 30%, but I think they never talk about wether its pre or post other mitigation
midnight flame
hey! is it worth to play Spear in raid over Thunderous Roar now? I've seen a lot of people swapping, but is it actually a gain or just personal preference?
jagged pier
Preference
midnight flame
giga, ty
I'm also very confused about Demolish timers.
I'll be playing prot warrior in reclears for a bit, and I'm wondering when it's best to use Demolish, as it doesn't exactly align with our other cooldowns. Do I delay Demolish for Avatar if I can't use it with Shield Wall, do I delay Demolish+Avatar for Demo Shout to maximise value, or do I just send everything off CD to maximise CPM?
jagged pier
U press every button on cd
wicked pollen
jakey do you know holding demo shout for demolish in execute is worth
ik arms has a similar condition holding demo for cs so i was wondering if you could do the same
jagged pier
Brah i just press buttons on cd there no point even think about it if u dont get good tier procs
Thats got far more to do with your damage than holds cds for points in time
unborn island
Cause u can take a mechanic at 100% and have your hp will hardly move but u proc...
I guess this explains how I survived that mine in Motherlode that I accidentally shield charged 😒
jagged gust
Sometimes I'll see demolish come off CD, see demo shout cd with 4 seconds left, then rip the demolish anyways and feel weird about it
unborn island
Or maybe not, maybe it's just not enough to kill me through BSV
white dragon
what doest he block stat on shields give
thats a bit of a weird question but I've upgraded my shield from 629 to 675 and my block chance didn't change
jagged pier
It determines the amount of damage a block actually reduces
chilly brook
@jagged pier you got oblivion yeah?
jagged pier
Ye
chilly brook
We call this a happy little accident
I wish it had better performance on steam deck but w/e I’ll just be a PC remastered gamer
jagged pier
Its probably quite heffty for a stream deck
lofty warren
What parse will doing the 1 button rotation give you on avg
round cliff
27
mortal cypress
What parse will doing the 1 button rotation give you on avg
90
silent osprey
I noticed it 12 days later
sick sentinel
do I have to pay attention to tome's of light devotion stance, or can i just mash it on cd.
prime sphinx
u pay attention to it keep it in sword mode. unequip it before any raid fight so its shield on pull and u switch it to sword
sick sentinel
ugh.
i hate it. lol. thank u.
just gonna add it to shield slam /use 13. aint nobody got brains for that.
round cliff
thats likely the worst solution
sick sentinel
is the "defensive' stance of it that bad?
prime sphinx
yeah use something else if u wanna do that
rough nest
u pay attention to it keep it in sword mode. unequip it before any raid figh...
TIL
Thanks !
solid sun
Just get one of the weakauras that tracks it and activate as needed
It’s pretty low coggy load imo
steady pollen
Ok, so Ignore pain, we want to stack it to 3.3 mil, then refresh when it hits 1.9?
arctic marten
Assuming incoming damage is blockable, does mastery provide more mitigation than crit?
karmic plinth
Ok, so Ignore pain, we want to stack it to 3.3 mil, then refresh when it hits 1....
you send it when you will cap rage or need it for mechanics u don't rly pay attention to the amount
sick sentinel
is this trinket alright?
steady pollen
you send it when you will cap rage or need it for mechanics u don't rly pay atte...
Do I want to be trying to maintain it at all times, or only when I'm capping rage or absorbing a hit?
karmic plinth
you dont need to maintain it 100% of the time
u will be able to keep it up a decent amount just with outburst and brutal vitality without having to track the amount
jagged pier
Assuming incoming damage is blockable, does mastery provide more mitigation than...
Nope its just an rng chance to block up to 85% where crit just fully mitigates those things by 100%
sharp gale
i'm helping someone, i'm in confusion
sharp gale
i think it is the worst bars i've ever seen, not even joking
sick sentinel
i think it is the worst bars i've ever seen, not even joking
are mine okay? lol
jagged pier
I mean bars can be as jumbled as u want
sick sentinel
started tanking literally last week. trying to make it not too ugly.
jagged pier
As long as u press the buttons at the right time it doesnt matter what yours bars look like
Ive toy'd with the idea of no bars just making them invisble
sharp gale
I mean bars can be as jumbled as u want
it's more that he obviously mouse click but the few keybinds are in africa buttons
jagged pier
Again doesnt matter when the keybinds are can be in the middle at the top as long as they are used
sharp gale
he is streaming me a key, at least he doesn't have the uptime / slow at pressing buttons typical issue, he has obviously the mouseclick / keybinds issue + wrong prio
gleaming knoll
are mine okay? lol
do you have everything twice so your button isnt lonely and has a friend or why do you use one of the bars of all time
sharp gale
- he never press on shield block (ofc bc it's on FUCKING = )
gleaming knoll
💀
sharp gale
he does a 11 so it's fine he just face tank trashs with no shield block
small steeple
are mine okay? lol
Why is everything doubled?
sick sentinel
Why is everything doubled?
if i forget to press it, there's a backup.
versed hatch
I'm new to prot and tanking in general, I'm using colossus right now I heard that colossus is the harder spec compared to mountain thane? Is that true, if so I'll switch over and see how I do there
solid sun
It’s easier to make an oopsie on but it isn’t demonstrably harder
versed hatch
Gotcha, it seems like it has less buttons from what I can see, and I'm overwhelmed with skills as it is xD
I dont know if I need all of these or not
Had to make a new action bar for everything, theres even more than healer which is rough
harsh trellis
With mountain thane there is less to really think about and monitor
its just send it all the time.
solid sun
I’m not sure what kind of content you’re working through atm, but Thane will perform worse offensively than Colossus, but if that doesn’t matter to you I don’t see any reason why you can’t just try both and see what you vibe with
Can always switch back later if you want and are more comfy with the spec
versed hatch
I'm mainly a M+ person, its basically all I do when I log on
Mountain thane seems like it'd be simpler to pick up in the sense
Am I right in thinking that I dont need slam, whirlwind and rend?
harsh trellis
It is for someone learning the class. Also in higher keys.
versed hatch
bc other skills are favoured over those
harsh trellis
both specs are viable.
solid sun
Prot doesn’t use slam or whirlwind and rend is applied through thunder clap
harsh trellis
If youre going to run COlossus, grab a Weak aura that will track colossal Might
versed hatch
I was trying to find a weak aura that shows me when my shield block and things have fallen off and need to be reapplied but I couldnt find anything that was that simple either
versed hatch
Also. You can macro ravager to drop at your feet
Oh! adding that now
slender bison
Why is M+ a second class citizen capped at Heroic gear? It used to drop Myth back in previous expansions
slender bison
Unless you're unemployed to do consistent Myth raiding, you're kinds gatekept by the vault
harsh trellis
so you run 12 keys to get a myth track piece of gear
you could look for work
play another game
anything so youre not going insane doing M+ or mythic raiding all the time
slender bison
I'm saying that Myth raiding is a super small portion of the game yet it has the best gear and M+16 is super hard and should give something else besides monopoly points
It used to be like this. But now it's not. Seems they want people to buy boosts
To flow around more tokens
Same with dinars
Anyways
gleaming knoll
who needs versatility anyways, overrated stat 💀
karmic plinth
who needs versatility anyways, overrated stat 💀
i had this 💀
chrome falcon
Is anyone else progging mugzee
And finding that sometimes mines insta kill you even through shield block+spell block and you're facing them
I assume they're just desynced position or some shit
harsh trellis
Is anyone else progging mugzee
Is this on mythic?
chrome falcon
ya
tall cairn
Yo, what up guys. Coming at you with an almost philosophical question: I hit 3k yesterday on my warrior, and honestly, even tho I love the class and how it plays, the whole process was a pain. Between the sheer ammount of pressure there is behind tanking (where every key that fails is your fault, no matter how fucking terrible the rest of the group was), and the meta slaves not inviting me to their keys because I'm off-meta even tho they've been waiting for a tank for fucking YEARS... It's been a bit too much. So my question is this:
For any of you that play both specs VDH and Prot War, is it significantly easier to climb with the meta spec for the same ammount of effort that prot requires? Meaning, will I be able to do the same things I do with prot but easier?
Mayb it's just me, but prot feels like you and your team just have to play perfectly, no room for mistakes.
FYI: I'm expecting you to also call me out if that's what you feel you should do, like: "you're probably just bad at prot and at tanking, shouldn't be that hard."
Also, keep in mind that I pug 100% of my runs. No friends, guild, communities, nothing. Just plain old "solo queue".
jagged pier
I mean thats just pugging in a nutshell
lusty grotto
well i woke up to a wall of text
hidden linden
It's not that deep. Will you have overall an easier time on the meta/fotm tank? Yes. Will it be a better time? Depends on what you value and where you find your fun
jagged pier
Well not nessescarily there are meta slaves that cant do 10s because they jist dont know how to play
tall cairn
We cant comment on your play without logd
FOr sure, I can share logs
round pendant
I've had 5/6 12s bricked over the last 2 days
1 was my fault blatantly
but not a single person has blamed me
it's always "ggs nt" and everyone leaves
jagged pier
U will get more invite as meta tank thats about it at 3k lvl
Tank cjoice matters in top io keys
round pendant
The pressure you're feeling is probably you putting it on yourself
jagged pier
^^
slender bison
Yo, what up guys. Coming at you with an almost philosophical question: I hit 3k ...
If it makes you feel any better, VDH is meta because of 3 utility sigils (fear, stun and silence) and the chaos brand for 3% spell damage. Maybe chains sigil is nice too. People want VDH from 14s onwards. Prot warr was fine until then.
tall cairn
The pressure you're feeling is probably you putting it on yourself
I do pressuer myself, but the comments were there lmao. People are mean as fuck
slender bison
Yes, VDH is better for the group.
round pendant
I do pressuer myself, but the comments were there lmao. People are mean as fuck
Unlucky 
I've had like zero toxicity this season
Other than in pug heroic raid lmao
tall cairn
Honestly, it didnt feel like there was any toxicity until I got into that "almost 3k range"
lusty grotto
Mayb it's just me, but prot feels like you and your team just have to play perfectly, no room for mistakes.
its just you
round pendant
well the thing with 12s and up is that you can't have people dying to bosses (this is what bricked all my keys lately)
it gets really annoying
tall cairn
Those final 13 keys to get to 3k was an insane step up, not only difficulty wise, but in toxicity as well.
slender bison
Next season will be void/spellcaster heavy so VDH will always be top pick. Until prot warr gets a utility buff/bloodlus/cr we will always be 3rd pick
round pendant
13s aren't an insane step up from 12s
But you're probably playing with people hardstuck there so it's gonna be rough
round pendant
they're just there for the 3k too but everyone good enough has mostly already done it
So you gotta prayge you hit the lottery with the pugs
just grind it out man
Don't let shit get to you
RUN IT BACK
lusty grotto
outside of some imprison skips, double jump and chaos brand, there's nothing a vdh does that prot cannot do
its just the meta spec
tall cairn
outside of some imprison skips, double jump and chaos brand, there's nothing a v...
I mean, you're not counting the self healing there
slender bison
outside of some imprison skips, double jump and chaos brand, there's nothing a v...
He has 4 extra silences/control and a buff for casters. Its net superior in top keys. Come on, be fair
lusty grotto
shockwave, disrupting, fear, stormbolt
sigil of silence, sigil of chains, aoe stun, sigil of misery
are you sure
im being fair
tall cairn
what about it
Well, it makes you less dependent on the healer. That is not true for warrior. If the vdh fucks something up, they can always help themselves, kinda like blood dk in that sense. Warrior depends on the healer targeting you, thinking about you
tall cairn
That's totally possible. I'll share my logs and you can give me some feedback. I'd love that
(100% not ironic here)
lusty grotto
that wont change any meta picks
tall cairn
I'll upload my latest and share
lusty grotto
playing better does not magically make other people not follow a bandwagon
self sustain was never part of our thing anyway
on a 13, it really doesnt matter lmao
tall cairn
Oh I know. But if there's something I'm doing blatantly wrong I'd like to know about it. Mayb that'll improve my chances when i do get into a group
tall cairn
on a 13, it really doesnt matter lmao
Dont know what kind of groups you run with, but it does matter when all you do is pug and things dont go as planned, ever.
tall cairn
Here's my 13 floodgate that got me to 3k https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R7fYGd2Pj4XmCBWQ?fight=last
slender bison
Its silly to pick a prot war over VDH in 14+. Its just so much better for the group. Its not DF anymore with 30 min queues. Tanks are plenty
frosty mango
The only thing vdh offers over prot war is mobility and self sustain, warrior trades those things for damage output and smoothing
If revenge were not nerfed everyone would be clamoring over the prot war meta
slender bison
The only thing vdh offers over prot war is mobility and self sustain, warrior tr...
Four aoe interrupts and a 3% spell buff bro
hidden linden
Its silly to pick a prot war over VDH in 14+. Its just so much better for the gr...
Source: trust me bro
slender bison
Mobility is the same as prot war from dungeon pace point of view
tall cairn
Here's an other, dont know if it's the same one: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/m8pDTYW7cQ3KJyq4?fight=last&type=damage-done
hidden linden
Tanks are many things, but 'Plenty' isn't one of them
frosty mango
Four aoe interrupts and a 3% spell buff bro
Ok warrior has battle shout? Four aoe interrupts? Are we talking about the same class?
tall cairn
Here's a top we missed but was pretty close: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bdK7DPzhxgjpyvRr?fight=last&type=damage-done
lusty grotto
Its silly to pick a prot war over VDH in 14+. Its just so much better for the gr...
thats just coping
frosty mango
I’m not saying all things being equal vdh isn’t better but imo it’s just a reflection of tier list mentality
lusty grotto
Here's my 13 floodgate that got me to 3k https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/R7...
you migth wanna fix this
frosty mango
If prot war damage had been left untouched everyone would be playing prot war
Inviting a dh doesn’t magically make your key easier because there isn’t some vast utility chasm like people seem to think there is (buff warrior tho for real)
lofty warren
Will the 1 button rotation thing work for tanks
frosty mango
Will the 1 button rotation thing work for tanks
I hope so
lusty grotto
there's nothing that says otherwise
lofty warren
In interview he said dps
tall cairn
Oh but I think you people missunderstood. I'm not asking if the key will be easier because I'm playing VDH. I wanna know if it'll be easier for ME specifically. Can we realistically do the same things we prot, BUT EASIER on Vdh? That's my real question
frosty mango
I can’t wait to run my weekly 10s using just a foot pedal and good vibes
lusty grotto
Oh but I think you people missunderstood. I'm not asking if the key will be easi...
no, its different that's all
lofty warren
VDH has a higher skill floor than pwar in my opinion
lusty grotto
ha
frosty mango
Oh but I think you people missunderstood. I'm not asking if the key will be easi...
Then imo no. They are different but not easier harder
past cobalt
do you guys hold your CDs to do demo shout + avatar + demolish + thunderous roar all at once, or do you just send everything as and when it comes up?
slender bison
VDH has a higher skill floor than pwar in my opinion
source: prot warr discord
frosty mango
VDH has a higher skill floor than pwar in my opinion
Is that why so many dh form rerollers fall over
lusty grotto
lets just put these in here again
frosty mango
So much so it’s a meme
lofty warren
Sorry vdh has a higher skill floor!!
round pendant
Oh but I think you people missunderstood. I'm not asking if the key will be easi...
vdh is harder
lusty grotto
lower skill ceiling inc
frosty mango
source: prot warr discord <:keks:936231610850897992>
lusty grotto
tall cairn
you migth wanna fix this
Nice, I'll keep that in mind
lusty grotto
easier to play they said, "what is fracture"
frosty mango
do you guys hold your CDs to do demo shout + avatar + demolish + thunderous roar...
Usually I full send unless avatar/demo are close (sub 8s) then I’ll hold demolish
past cobalt
for me when I play colossus, I usually have demolish ready and avatar roar and demo should a few seconds to wait like max 10 seconds but mostly less
tall cairn
Ok thank you guys! I'll just try it out and see how it goes. Also, if anybody else wants to look at my logs and give me some pointers, I'd be fucking thrilled. Thank you all for your help !
lofty warren
VDH skill floor easy just use iron spikes, but the green circle down, demon vomit on enemy, use the hunt. With pwar you need to manage your rage and spell reflect.. but with pwar you have thunder stomp for easier aoe threat vdh doesn't have something instant like that
past cobalt
also, demo shout doesn't get any cdr from anywhere right?
lusty grotto
thunderlord
round pendant
Ok thank you guys! I'll just try it out and see how it goes. Also, if anybody el...
Your logs look fine honestly if you're pulling properly and not dying any struggles you're having at 13s are probably mostly your puggers griefing
lusty grotto
but we dont use it, at least as colossus
lofty warren
Also don't use the hunt on last boss mechagon unless you want to fall off map
@tall cairn see my messages above for the correct comparison guide and tip to not die mechagon
past cobalt
ah, yeah I knew there was something that I missed but I played Thane last season
slender bison
I'm healing in 2.7k range and these pesky prot warrs have 60% SB uptime. "Uhm heal???"
past cobalt
everything that deals damage is a healer mechanic
lofty warren
I didn't time 13 mechagon bc i pushed the hunt and I'm still big mad
cerulean tusk
#rekt
open rose
trying to get into tanking, is there a site that simply shows the routes and must-do mechanics? I tried looking at this one but can't figure out how to see the actual routes: https://keystone.guru/routes/sl/theater-of-pain
round pendant
wdym see the route
click on one
Keystone guru kinda sucks in that it can't lay out the whole map's levels on one image
slender bison
everything that deals damage is a healer mechanic <:keks:936231610850897992>
"Heal wtf? Quazi said prot war is ez pz" - 60-70% uptime on SB/IP
round pendant
so you gotta click the doors
open rose
click on one
I did, it shows me this for PUG friendly:
lofty warren
Fact: pushing spell block and reflect and shield wall and not take damage feels nice. With vdh you take damage but then heal it back up
open rose
Keystone guru kinda sucks in that it can't lay out the whole map's levels on one...
yeah this is what i'm looking for, know a good resource?
open rose
also, how do you know if you can spell block/reflect a given spell?
slender bison
Fact: pushing spell block and reflect and shield wall and not take damage feels ...
Use also Rally Cry on CD to make everyone feel safer. They'll say "gg nice tank" at the end
lusty grotto
VDH skill floor easy just use iron spikes, but the green circle down, demon vomi...
manage spikes = manage sb
manage fury and soul shards = manage rage
demon vomit + hunt = uhh, demolish/troar/ravager
manage painbringer stacks = manage punish stacks
vdh cds (meta, fiery brand) = war cds (wall, spell block)
immo aura = spell reflect
????
limpid shoal
lofty warren
Immo aura is used for dps while sr is not used in core dps rotation
lusty grotto
also, how do you know if you can spell block/reflect a given spell?
its also pinned
open rose
gotcha, ty guys
lusty grotto
Immo aura is used for dps while sr is not used in core dps rotation
immo aura gives you MDR
lusty grotto
in case you didnt know read Fel Flame Fortification
lofty warren
Immo aura may give mdr but it is also used in pure st dps rotation
tribal wharf
it does suck that leap counts you as being in the fire if you do it over a fire circle
lusty grotto
its not so much different pepega
tribal wharf
but god only knows what limitations wow engine has
lofty warren
It has a lot of similarities sure but so do lots of things in the same role
slender bison
but god only knows what limitations wow engine has
Leap is not invulnerable. Its z axis damage, it's fine
lofty warren
With dh jump it counts you in your new location right away I believe- found out the hard way on the fat chain boss in top
Dh interrupt is ranged and pwar is short too.
Also dh can jump backwards and.. I guess war has intervene? Jump backwards better imo doesn't require other ppl
slender bison
If keyowner is spell caster he wants DH for 3% buff
For a boss in a team for casters, that's a nice boost. Like heroic vs mythic trinkets
small steeple
What is pepega trying to say? Lmao is he trolling again?
slender bison
He's saying we should all get VDH alts and embrace the meta
round pendant
What is pepega trying to say? Lmao is he trolling again?
living up to his name 
jagged pier
What is pepega trying to say? Lmao is he trolling again?
No thats just him
shut summit
tbh i think this season is the closest we've been to "meta" in a long time (power wise), i think that the dps specs that are strong dictate what tank is more desirable right now
slender bison
Prot warr has more buttons -> Confirming skill cap is higher than VDH
slender bison
tbh i think this season is the closest we've been to "meta" in a long time (powe...
But still 3rd place as last 4 seasons. It would be nice to see 1 prot warr in MDIs though
open rose
i know there's an add-on that says "defensive" for a big incoming attack, can it not also be configured to say "reflect" if it's a reflectable spell?
lusty grotto
no
open rose
😩
lusty grotto
also DBM dungeons can be different but should be able to set it up similarly
that's why i said have fun 🙂
open rose
lol
lusty grotto
afaik DBM Dungeon and Littlewigs profiles only have positioning data and/or cosmetic stuff
i could be wrong
but im pretty sure that's right, since i use Naowh's profile
and my edits never get nuked
shut summit
But still 3rd place as last 4 seasons. It would be nice to see 1 prot warr in MD...
there will be this weekend
tribal wharf
ya, the team that gets kicked out after 2 matches
lusty grotto
sense youve been in mdi
shut summit
unfortunately
lusty grotto
outside of BFA even
shut summit
yes
lusty grotto
hell we saw prot warriors in NL during DF too, so idk why Cluster is saying it would be nice lmao
like its never happened
tribal wharf
that was the season i did pretty much only that dungeon
lusty grotto
well the SR was strong 🫡
tribal wharf
well and it had like 3 pieces of loot i wanted
dps/tank triket and like a helmet orweapon or somethin
round pendant
god trading post items have literally the worst art style
tribal wharf
or halls of valor, or waycrest
round pendant
I love swords that look like they're made out of stone :)))
tribal wharf
i ran all of those a billion times
the +20 video is lost footage now if you have the video file downloaded
i dont have it on my pc, and not on youtube
jagged pier
outside of BFA even
He was in it in SLs cause he played warrior in some dungeons and the casters couldnt comprehend why 
Instead of going oh warrior i actually quite good they sort of said oh he must be bringing banner to buff the warlock
open rose
Keystone guru kinda sucks in that it can't lay out the whole map's levels on one...
it doesn't show directional arrows on the route, so how do you know which way to go? or does it not matter?
round pendant
also the colour of the path is based on the %
so it goes red -> purple -> blue -> cyan -> green
tribal wharf
i might have to resub for ninja turtle weapons
round pendant
but in ToP it doesn't really matter which way you go honestly
just clear the 3 wings
W key dungeon fr
tribal wharf
these do look good
round pendant
no they don't
tribal wharf
needs staff, clearly
round pendant
I literally just complained about them
tribal wharf
tmnt is based
tribal wharf
no, i think these look just fine
round cliff
wow players when a weapon isnt alive and/or on fire
round pendant
They literally don't even look like they're made of metal
round cliff
perception diff tbh
round pendant
and the Sais are WAY TOO BIG
round cliff
that thought never crossed my mind
tribal wharf
sais are a big weapon
round pendant
No they're fucking not
round cliff
gnome player?
round pendant
also way too thick
round cliff
its wow, every weapon is chunky
round pendant
wait why am I arguing
tribal wharf
anyways, i liked mikey turtle best
round cliff
thats the artstyle
lusty grotto
He was in it in SLs cause he played warrior in some dungeons and the casters cou...
ah yes i remember now
round pendant
thats the artstyle
no it's not
lusty grotto
i like em
round pendant
Yeah the artstyle since modernising everything to look like a shitty painted texture mobile aesthetic
lofty warren
Yes I'm not trolling I was just comparing pwar & vdh. They are diff and I am saying vdh has higher skill floor compared to pwar because of things like it has fly, 2x jump and jump back while pwar has to intervene/reflect and just 1 jump
round cliff
Yeah the artstyle since modernising everything to look like a shitty painted tex...
as opposed to older wow where everything literally was a painted texture over one armor model
(skintight)
and half the available weapons were sticks
round pendant
I'm referring to a specific texturing style
and no you're not describing "older wow" accurately at all
round cliff
wow armor had no 3d modeling except belt buckles, shoulders, and helmets
for a LONG time
well into cataclysm and mop
frosty mango
Anyone ever have the bombs bounce on first boss of motherlode?
Like just bounce off the boss
round pendant
Yeah
round cliff
they still make shitty shoe/boot cosmetics to this day
round pendant
But the textures were better than what we get in this trading post slop
round pendant
And the new weapons are all oversized and shittily textured
round cliff
pull up any texture made before/during cataclysm and count the pixels
round pendant
yeah you're dumb
round cliff
it wasnt even technically impressive for the time
round pendant
nice chat
frosty mango
boss has 10 million god damn gold
Watch the bomb, you see me with the star on my head go in and kick it again and it just bounces off again lol
I wasn’t tanking idk what that dude was doing I was just chuffed at the ball lol
round cliff
yeah you're dumb
"no these shitey low res textures are good because they had soul"
round pendant
that's weird
round cliff
this is why u cant argue w/ people over the age of 30
lusty grotto
this is why u cant argue w/ people over the age of 30
dont bother
he likes to complain
they look fine
frosty mango
In much older than 30 and I love to argue thank you very much
round pendant
I gave my criticism and your retort is "it has pixels"
You don't even understand what an art style is so why would I argue with you
frosty mango
My fingers are very comfortable in my ears
lusty grotto
and there it is
round pendant
graphical fidelity =/= artstyle
lusty grotto
the superiority complex
round cliff
wow its almost like nobody brought that up except u
tribal wharf
ya, i see that now thats weird, im not sure why that would happen, maybe the kick has to be certain range or certain timing
round pendant
???
frosty mango
graphical fidelity =/= artstyle
That depends, what if my art style is specifically low fidelity graphics
Jagged edges bb
Can’t get enough of em
tribal wharf
counter point to roid berg just said
round pendant
the superiority complex
Says you bud
round cliff
we love borderlands here
lusty grotto
Says you bud
no, not really
round pendant
no, not really
My man you tell people to fuck off and call them dumb over the simplest misunderstand/lack of knowledge. I call this guy dumb over being willfully dense and I have a superiority complex lmao
lusty grotto
thats not superiority complex
round cliff
if i had a nickel for every time i was called dense while being correct i'd have two nickels
which isnt a lot but its weird that it happened twice
lusty grotto
tellling people to fuck off means just that
round pendant
It's also not a superiority complex to just refuse to engage with someone who's not arguing in good faith
round pendant
Yep
He's talking about fucking pixels
Either he's dumb and it's not worth arguing with or he's baiting
round pendant
I'm not gonna sit here explaining the difference to him just for him to again misrepresent my argument
ad nauseam
round cliff
"these new weapons look stupid the old artstyle was better"
"the old artstyle looked like shit actually"
"wtf bro is talking about pixels"
💅
round pendant
uhhuh
solid sun
Guys
We don’t do art here
That’s some brewmaster shit
We do prot warrior stuff here
We yell about why vdh is meta
frosty mango
Can we talk about my balls
nocturne spindle
should i be banned
frosty mango
That was a much better convo
round pendant
I'm also not even 30
round pendant
I am old but not quite 30
frosty mango
That’s not old
nocturne spindle
29 and three quarters
frosty mango
I left 30 a long time ago
Represent real old dudes
tribal wharf
tbh what im more intersted in is, what is the difference going to be in 1 button mode
frosty mango
tbh what im more intersted in is, what is the difference going to be in 1 button...
Whether or not I invite you
lusty grotto
a delay yogi
round cliff
haste is our best stat
slower gcd in 1 button mode
tribal wharf
cuz it could be 0.1 second or entire gcd
nocturne spindle
the difference is youll have even more shitter dps and less tanks and healers
solid sun
I firmly believe the one button thing for tanks will just be dps buttons
tribal wharf
IF YOU USE 1 BUTTON MODE IT SHOULD DISPLAY IT WHILE YOU ARE USING IT UNTIL IT STOPS AND YOU CANT TURN IT OFF AND EVERYONE CAN SEE
lusty grotto
we will know soon enough
tribal wharf
i think this is the fix
solid sun
Ain’t no way it’s gonna hit shield wall or other defensives
I wouldn’t be surprised if that holds true for all roles tbh. Just dps buttons
round cliff
IF YOU USE 1 BUTTON MODE IT SHOULD DISPLAY IT WHILE YOU ARE USING IT UNTIL IT S...
wii wheel icon on mario kart wii online
tribal wharf
once you stop using the 1 button mode, it stops telling everyone
round pendant
It definitely shouldn't exist that's for sure
But publicly shaming people who use it is a good alternative
round cliff
we will not be interacting with the people who use it its not gonna be viable in any real content lol
round cliff
ur gonna see people using it in like heroics
round pendant
People will be using it in 10s
round pendant
https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sigh-gif-5895699729383201961
What's wrong buddy?
round cliff
people will not be using it in 10s because ur dps will be dogshit using it
round pendant
People already do dogshit dps in 10s
nocturne spindle
yea you can do 10s ezpz now
if i que for 10s for vaults im usually 2nd or 3rd on the damage meters lol
lusty grotto
what is so bad about people that do dogshit dps, to do better
but not optimally better
round pendant
I think it's poor game design
lusty grotto
of course you do
round pendant
Here's this game we put all this effort into designing classes with somewhat engaging and interesting rotations for
solid sun
That’s crazy
round pendant
but 80% of the playerbase can press 1 button and do "good enough"
round cliff
what is so bad about people that do dogshit dps, to do better
theres a point where ur dps is so bad that ur a hindrance even if ur not dying
i firmly believe 1 button mode will be that bad at doing good dps
i see thru the veil
i can tell how its gonna be
solid sun
It’s for people who can use accessibility features or for people who are uninterested in learning specs and doing well
nocturne spindle
wow players always doomer
round pendant
If you're uninterested in learning, then why does it matter
just press random buttons
nocturne spindle
just let it be
its not gonna be anyworse than your groups now
its for baby 2 keys and shit
solid sun
Because they can just press 1 button and not have a bunch of stuff cluttering up their screen
round cliff
guys they're just preparing for wow's eventual mobile port
round pendant
I just don't see the point at all
solid sun
Put the thing on whatever keybind you like, remove your action bars, enjoy your wow story
round pendant
It seems like it goes against retail's core design
solid sun
Or if you need the accessibility feature to ease arthritis pain or whatever, now you have it
round pendant
Accessibility for people who don't even care to or need to be doing competent dps
solid sun
But they still need functional characters
round pendant
It just devalues the effort that goes into designing the classes imo
solid sun
How
jagged pier
I dont why i have to keep saying this today, u ppl are mad about something u can jjst not interact with at all and something u wont notice some else using at all
round pendant
What's the point in creating interesting rotations/etc if it's just solved by their own feature to press 1 button
lusty grotto
I dont why i have to keep saying this today, u ppl are mad about something u can...
Yup
lusty grotto
100%
round pendant
You're missing my point
round pendant
I literally made a point
jagged pier
It doesnt change how u interact with the game one bit
So there is no reason to be angry or annoyed its coming
Other ppl arwnt u
Its not a featurw for u
So forget it exsists
lusty grotto
And gatekeeping is fucking dumb
round pendant
- Blizz dev designs class/rotation/concept
- They then add a button that means players can just ignore that
it's a weird concept
jagged pier
U will not notice they are using it u eill chalk it up as a bad dps player
round cliff
blizz designs class/rotation/concept
the lowest level wont engage anyways
so why not give them a button
jagged pier
it's a weird concept
This functionality has exsisted for year
Through addons ans WAs
U have already played sith ppl using them 1000%
And ppl using them jave always been on the edge of getting banned
ruby berry
There is nothing wrong with the new system. I'm not going to use it, it's whatever.
jagged pier
Now they wont be on the edge
lusty grotto
There is nothing wrong with the new system. I'm not going to use it, it's whatev...
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jagged pier
Also before ppl get even more reiled up there a bumch of addons that allow blind ppl or visually impaired ppl to play the game
U gunna get mad if blizz add that in too?
solid sun
I have been trying to make the case that the feature will do good, but maybe I should take Jakey’s approach of telling other people their points are stupid
jagged pier
I mean they are just adding features that are already addons and stuff into the base gane
lusty grotto
Yeah I mean, I think it was Will that said that this will allow him to play with friends that usually aren't up to par, that is a good thing for the game
jagged pier
So ppl dont need to jump through hoops to play the game
I dont see why so many ppl are mad
round pendant
I'm not mad and I agree it won't affect me
I just find it conceptually odd
from a game design pov
jagged pier
U seem pretty mad
round pendant
lol
jagged pier
It doesnt change game design
jagged pier
Why our best trinkets are from raid
round cliff
yo?
jagged pier
For m+
round pendant
I don't understand why having opinions that aren't easily swayed by "just don't care bro" means I'm mad
nocturne spindle
tome and pacemaker are close enough anyway
round cliff
tome huge
jagged pier
Honestly tome in mythic + id rather just wear HoCs and radio pacemaker or bombsuit
Unless its low keys
cerulean tusk
lets be real, they only did it so raiders can get their BiS m+ trinkies for the raid