Is it basically just for the crit block chance ? And some attk power
#protection
hardy grove
heavy sparrow
Both
hardy grove
It increase normal block % too but that’s basically useless if you have good sb uptime
heavy sparrow
It will go up naturally as you start gearing up
A lot of people will have mastery trinkets because it gives huge butt canon procs of DPS and blocking counter damage
violet ginkgo
well keep it around 20-25% and you are good. Don't go beyond that.
urban portal
All stats are fine
round pendant
Does reflecting charged shield in ML prevent it from bouncing to other people
I fucked up last night and pressed spell reflect too late
I feel like it shouldn't kill everyone because yknow, other tanks can't reflect it
but we promptly died
tardy abyss
I believe its only you but I could be wrong
solid sun
You probably had other people die because you run with a holy priest
I think charged shield is just an us thing. When I reflect it, the mob still does group wide damage
tardy abyss
Blocking the first hit is still huge tho
nocturne spindle
I think it pulses the chain
tardy abyss
At least it feels like the first one hits a lot harder
nocturne spindle
So you reflect the first chain doesn't hit the group
solid sun
Then it definitely has something else that’s doing group wide damage
round pendant
You probably had other people die because ~~you run with a holy priest~~
He's never gonna switch
solid sun
I mean idk how much it actually matters
I suspect every healer is capable of healing up to a certain key level, but idk what level that is
finite canopy
I thought charged shield is a self buff to the mob, so each time it autos it does a chain lightening off of its primary target? Can definitely reflect one, but idk if (spell) blocking reduces damage for the group or not too?
rain light
low keys are wild, prot war jumps into pack doesnt press sb or wall, dies, blames healer, leaves
chilly brook
low keys are wild, prot war jumps into pack doesnt press sb or wall, dies, blame...
how does prot even die in low keys even without sb or wall?
chilly brook
I thought charged shield is a self buff to the mob, so each time it autos it doe...
you can only reflect the first hit, the rest will just do what it does
solid sun
Can you think of any reason why they go right instead of left specifically because they’re prot paladins?
chilly brook
if you're immune to magic hit during the mini boss then he doesn't spawn pools
the fire on the ground is spawned when his fire buffed melee attacks deal damage, if the fire damage doesn't do damage no puddles
frosty mango
we dont know and we never will
because fighting that mob is suicide
Do I craft belt or bracer (665->675) or do I push my myth gloves and shoulders up to 678
forest sluice
how does prot even die in low keys even without sb or wall?
They shouldn’t when I was leveling my alt I just spammed revenge and shield slam the entire key and maybe threw in an impending victory here and there
chilly brook
No more judgment and magic aoe thing?
uhhh yeah no judgement and no unavoidable aoe damage
it just means that you have an extra mob to kick during the boss and have to dodge aoe sometimes
frosty mango
I dunno trying to dodge that fire shit seems awful
and would make the boss take ages
chilly brook
I dunno trying to dodge that fire shit seems awful
it's not bad at all lol
chilly brook
the only thing that makes it "bad" is that it can overlap with the stun/shield from the boss
frosty mango
yea but the other chick is literal zero mech
chilly brook
which is the only reason why it's considered "banned"
frosty mango
like yea its an aoe damage but its trivial
chilly brook
like yea its an aoe damage but its trivial
solid sun
I imagine this would make the boss less threatening on the tank?
frosty mango
No change
chilly brook
kinda yes kinda no
frosty mango
I mean I guess the aoe adds a little but it’s such a nothing burger to heal through
Maybe you get to like, 19-20 we start talking but at current levels I doubt right is ever the right call
chilly brook
I mean I guess the aoe adds a little but it’s such a nothing burger to heal thro...
I wouldn't say it's nothing
frosty mango
I would
frosty mango
Amount of damage does not equal danger
Amount of burst does
Pulsing aoe damage is almost always irrelevant
chilly brook
246m total done from the aoe, 178m from pierce armor
frosty mango
Like braunpyke requires a lot of aoe healing and it does a lot of damage but it’s not hard to heal
frosty mango
246m total done from the aoe, 178m from pierce armor
How much did the aoe do to the tank though
frosty mango
So basically nothing
chilly brook
So basically nothing
it's literally not though
Holy radiance is fairly equivalent to the tank buster
except it's on everyone
and lacks an initial hit (but tbf the initial hit is a nothing burger for tanks)
frosty mango
It’s not remotely comparable to heal
The damage window is far longer
Which makes it far easier to heal
chilly brook
The damage window is far longer
it's shorter
8 seconds
vs 10
they both tick every 1 sec
forest sluice
Can I soak 5 as a prot warrior with reflect wall and spell block?
frosty mango
Hit damn autocorrect
forest sluice
K ty
chilly brook
well maybe you could
forest sluice
I never try it just curious
solid sun
But if Braunpyke isn’t hard to heal why am I always almost dead
That’s the mini boss at the end we are talking about right
forest sluice
But if Braunpyke isn’t hard to heal why am I always almost dead
Lots of bad healers out there and dps soaking too fast
solid sun
@frosty mango
nocturne spindle
people soak orbs before shields come out
so then shield hit + dot almost murders people
because they are idiots
nocturne spindle
it feels like forever
forest sluice
People just run in like maniacs immediately
nocturne spindle
^
nocturne spindle
someone else mentioned soak though
shadow jewel
yo got a question am is it better to run house of cards hc with pace maker or pace maker with scrapfild9001
solid sun
House of cards
And I think you knew that
You’re just humble bragging
I’m on to your shenanigans
shadow jewel
not rly just trying to play warrior and was genuinely asking if scccrap is goood to survive or somthing
i have both just dont know what to run to play safe i gues
solid sun
House of Cards is very very good
shadow jewel
was thinking but again this is defensivee i guess but i mean cant sim defensive
solid sun
Scrap is fine but what level of content are you running
shadow jewel
12 looking to go in to 14s since got bored on mm hit 3,1k so trying to learn to tank like a human i guess
solid sun
If you needed a defensive trinket and you have both house of cards and pacemaker at the same ilvl my guess would be that you’d equip house with the defensive trinket
And if you can get it, bomb suit is usually considered the best defensive trinket available
I think Griff has used Mud and I know Pika has used Mud
shadow jewel
nah hous is hero pace is mythic
frosty mango
I begrudgingly used mud in flood for big momma
shadow jewel
bruh i cant get any of the "good defensives" i farm galy kills legit and run flood like a moron well i did run it for pace maker but thats what i got from vaul today but i have like 50+ floods 7 to 10 i just need a solid def trinket if somthing goes down i guess
shadow jewel
well a ret pala main looted it last week and wanted 1mill for it so going to be hard lmao
chilly brook
was thinking but again this is defensivee i guess but i mean cant sim defensive
no need to sim defensive
solid sun
When doing 12’s, I didn’t use any defensive trinkets, but if you feel comfier with it I wouldn’t hate on you for running one
chilly brook
most of the time the stuff that does the most damage (minus trinkets/talents) will also get you the best survival
shadow jewel
no need to sim defensive
think its not even posible right ?
solid sun
You can also run your two offensive trinkets and talent into BSV
chilly brook
think its not even posible right ?
I mean it's possible but also not exactly real world
nocturne spindle
yea for all my 14s ive just done pacemaker + tome with BSV
chilly brook
damage intake is so dynamic
shadow jewel
i was runing house of cards for now and the scrap thing buut think myth pace is just better over all when upgraded
nocturne spindle
15s i started taking bombsuit for bigger pulls
chilly brook
yea for all my 14s ive just done pacemaker + tome with BSV
I could have probably done the same in 15s but found RRM too comfy/valuable
nocturne spindle
oh mud
toxic gyro
was thinking but again this is defensivee i guess but i mean cant sim defensive
House of cards is both defensive and offensive trinket. That much mastery is very strong on trash defensively. The only decent purely defensive trinket for us is bombsuit. Mud trinket is like its little brother.
You can play pacemaker + house. House + bombsuit. Pacemaker + house. I tend to not like playing double on use so I generally avoid it.
shadow jewel
i mean prob since its myth and am goood with mastery i guess
chilly brook
House of cards is both defensive and offensive trinket. That much mastery is ver...
I'd argue that mud is better in some cases
but for most dungeons yeah bomb suit is better
shadow jewel
thanks guys ill see what raid drops i guess maybe i end up lukcy lmao
toxic gyro
I'd argue that mud is better in some cases
Only if ure gonna utilize its full absorb perk.
chilly brook
Only if ure gonna utilize its full absorb perk.
nah has nothing to do with it being a full absorb
has more to do with the cooldown reduction
solid sun
Do absorbs work different for us or smth?
Other tank discords don’t seem so hung up on the full absorb situation
toxic gyro
has more to do with the cooldown reduction
I know dh can cheesy it a bit with talent, but for us it’s mids even in “dotty” dungeons.
solid sun
They just say “last absorb in is first absorb used” and call it a day
lusty grotto
thats because they cant block
toxic gyro
Do absorbs work different for us or smth?
Full absorb trinkets can nullify certain debuffs.
cerulean burrow
how it actually works is absorbs work in a FIFO structure (first to go in is the first to go out) if you dont believe me pop bomb suit or another absorb THEN ignore pain on a training dummy and watch ignore pain not get hit until the other absorb is gone. Transversely, if you pop ignore pain BEFORE popping something like bomb suit bomb suit wont take hits until your ignore pain shield is out. you can mildly cheese this by popping ignore pain THEN bombsuit and just be super tanky either until both the IP shield is gone and the bombsuit, or the bomb suit cd runs out
what to do with this knowledge who knows but i spent way to long figuring itout
lusty grotto
thats not correct
cerulean burrow
try it
chilly brook
I know dh can cheesy it a bit with talent, but for us it’s mids even in “dotty”...
it's a 2m CD, 3 casts in a 3m boss fight
cerulean burrow
im telling you that is how it works
lusty grotto
we've tested this out before Izzy
chilly brook
so it's not "mid" in dotty dungeons
solid sun
thats because they cant block
Why does block impact absorbs?
chilly brook
the cdr was trash
I mean Big MOMMA is the only thing where it matters imo
lusty grotto
Why does block impact absorbs?
reliable mit, makes absorbs last longer
toxic gyro
it's a 2m CD, 3 casts in a 3m boss fight
Pretty good.
lusty grotto
parry/dodge arent reliable
chilly brook
you still use it twice on it
You can see in my log I used it 3 times in 3 minutes
lusty grotto
ok let me check mine
chilly brook
I mean tbf 3:30
lusty grotto
something tells me its just better due to timing
the longer any dot lasts
etc
i only tested in 12-13s
the magnitude of the dot doesnt really matter
its how long is been on you
toxic gyro
How much you reduce its cd on heavy dot fights? To ~1min?
lusty grotto
so if shit doesnt die fast, or the dot isnt dispelled fast
obviously on a 12
so yes around 1 min
chilly brook
so if shit doesnt die fast, or the dot isnt dispelled fast
dot isn't dispellable
chilly brook
ah
lusty grotto
cause you know the trash dots are
chilly brook
yeah I mean I'm pretty bad about pressing it during trash anyways
lusty grotto
the one thing i havent figured out
chilly brook
mostly because it's not super necessary
lusty grotto
is if ground dots trigger it
like the electric ground
if thats the case you could game it
mighty valley
deliberately taking a dot that ticks for 25% of my health in order to get my mud trinket cooldown reduction
chilly brook
yeah but then that defeats the purpose lol
taking more damage overall for more absorb
nocturne spindle
best dps trinkets : bombsuit and mud
lusty grotto
@cerulean burrow if you give me a few i can post logs for what you said, just to see if anything changed -- keep in mind that if the absorb type is the same, you will be right (i.e. full absorbs only go FIFO, partials go FIFO)
frosty mango
I used mud for floodgate 15 (which we bricked rip) but it did help a lot for big momma
I’d still prefer a bomb suit
I also think if you have a disc priest it’s irrelevant because you will have a DR for every electro unless your dps are f tier
chilly brook
I'm actually so glad that Blizz is growing a pair
sharp gale
Blizzard stole my one button macro
chilly brook
Like I know a lot of people are freaking out
but I think this is legit a healthy move
chilly brook
I also think if you have a disc priest it’s irrelevant because you will have a D...
Disc priest is scary on that boss
tribal wharf
and then we are good
chilly brook
ngl
or at least it has been for most of my experiences in that key
most of the time they PS you well after it matters
if at all
tribal wharf
siege was good when you timed the key cuz doing the cannons was satisfying
tribal wharf
every boss in that dungeon has bs mechanic
theres the 2nd boss where you shoot the lady off her boat with a cannon
chilly brook
what am i missing?
uhhhh they're going to be implementing their own UI elements for stuff like boss mechanics etc. and pulling back real time combat event addons
tribal wharf
i think what they should do is after the boss it takes your damage, healing, dmg if you died etc and then it shows a nebulous but accurate ish tier list marking of if you did bad or good
so is like you 3 chest everyone is probably s rank and 1 A rank
cuz, you cant really add a damge meter in
lusty grotto
https://www.wowhead.com/news/real-time-combat-event-addons-planned-to-be-restric...
hmm...
chilly brook
this isn't a damage meter replacer
frosty mango
Disc priest is scary on that boss
No way they have double cdr for every aoe and ps for crush
Scary if they’re terrible lol
chilly brook
No way they have double cdr for every aoe and ps for crush
hey man I'm just sharing my experience
and one of those disc priests was a title player
frosty mango
You need better priests lol
tribal wharf
thats what im saying anyways, i think instead of adding in dps meters, they add in "role participation" some shit like this
chilly brook
Felt way more comfy with other healer spec
frosty mango
I mean I had a 3.2k priest yesterday who told me casting shield was a waste of a gcd as he struggled to heal a 12 so 🤌
They exist lol
tribal wharf
and its if you do 50 keys with S rank, you get a title
chilly brook
I mean I had a 3.2k priest yesterday who told me casting shield was a waste of a...
3491 is a little different than 3.2k
he's a great healer
just def not my preferred spec on that boss
frosty mango
3491 is a little different than 3.2k
Based on your experience I would say he isn’t, if he can’t handle that boss lol
frosty mango
Oh why you doin your mans dirty you made him sound scuffed
chilly brook
I just felt less in danger with other specs
frosty mango
Tell him that, he’ll take offense and you’ll get all the suppresses
frosty mango
Ask more imo, especially when it’s on cooldown then berate him for not having it
That’s the best
chilly brook
I just use it when I need it/don't have something to cover it myself
but don't usually have that luxury with pugs
frosty mango
I’m sorry I’m a healer main and my trauma is showing
chilly brook
you get it whenever they feel like it
which is usually a really bad PS time
like "thanks the big hit already happened and I had shield wall going already"
lofty warren
How do you pick up the fire on last boss dsrkflame? Clicking it is a pain in the rear end given boss model
frosty mango
I got called “absolute garbage dick” for life cocooning a tank immediately on the first pull of cinder during gather
The insult was new at least
chilly brook
I got called “absolute garbage dick” for life cocooning a tank immediately on t...
that's like mega value lmao
frosty mango
How do you pick up the fire on last boss dsrkflame? Clicking it is a pain in the...
There’s an extra action button when you’re near it
lofty warren
Is that for pickup and drop off?
frosty mango
Yes
chilly brook
but then again some people don't understand that "hey if I use this big absorb when the tank is healthy in this big pull then he won't get low and need it for a panic button"
frosty mango
Bind your extraction button and you can use that
lofty warren
Ohh i only thought it was drop off. I've been clicking it in 14s loll
frosty mango
but then again some people don't understand that "hey if I use this big absorb w...
I think a lot of lesser experienced players just generally think cds = save me
chilly brook
I mean they do technically
frosty mango
And not “prevent me from needing saving”
chilly brook
Just in a different way
frosty mango
Ok yes but logically the highest value mit usage is when the most damage is coming in
chilly brook
I can save you from walking off a cliff by having you turn around 50 feet from the cliff or I can wait until you're one foot off the edge
frosty mango
Most people think it’s when their health is at 0, which I guess for some cds that’s true
But not for most
lofty warren
On 3rd boss darkflame do tanks need to do anything other than interrupt and move behind purple things when he points his arrow on you?
frosty mango
On 3rd boss darkflame do tanks need to do anything other than interrupt and move...
Position the boss so that the furthest statue can get axed
Outside of that no, keep it near statues so melee don’t lose uptime
lofty warren
Why furthest
frosty mango
Because the close/grouped ones can get removed by the circle
And you dont want people at range because then new statues spawn at range
The goal is for everyone to be in melee when they spawn
vestal ruin
till a dps axe a close one
frosty mango
Can’t fix stupid you can only influence them
vestal ruin
true
lofty warren
Usually the things throwing poo poo are spread out in a semi circle some close some far
lusty grotto
griff, i havent seen the interview, but axing 3 addons at the same time seems like not the best idea, they should do it in phases
that way they can iterate
frosty mango
I think? It snapshots a location shortly before and then spawns it somewhere in a radius of that location
frosty mango
griff, i havent seen the interview, but axing 3 addons at the same time seems li...
If their “cooldown manager” is any indicator then doing this will literally make people quit
lusty grotto
yeah well they have a whole cycle to improve it
frosty mango
Ion wants to kill the game and I don’t believe he doesn’t
lusty grotto
thats why i mentioned iterating
lofty warren
If there is 1 on top of boss and then 1 really far away and he puts his arrow on me and both the close and far one are in the path of the error, will it hit both or does it stop at first one and do a little aoe around it?
frosty mango
He doesn’t strike me as stupid yet he continually makes idiotic decisions
frosty mango
If there is 1 on top of boss and then 1 really far away and he puts his arrow on...
First one
lusty grotto
i dont think its a bad decision
frosty mango
But ideally you’d move the boss to prevent that
lofty warren
Speaking of bad decisions - they way they gonna implement dinars
frosty mango
i dont think its a bad decision
I’m not questioning their decision I’m questioning how effective their own implementation will be - which historical data tells us it will be mediocre at best and most likely bug ridden and useless
lusty grotto
Speaking of bad decisions - they way they gonna implement dinars
old news, keep up
lofty warren
What's new?
lusty grotto
I’m not questioning their decision I’m questioning how effective their own imple...
you cant just base this on a first implementation
hence iterating
frosty mango
you cant just base this on a first implementation
No I can base it on literally every major design change they’ve ever implemented absolutely blowing up for months and years on end
lusty grotto
as long as they keep iterating we'll be fine
frosty mango
Agree addon sprawl is bad, disagree that wholesale disabling/bricking some is the answer
After ovinaxx tho I’ll literally take anything
chilly brook
griff, i havent seen the interview, but axing 3 addons at the same time seems li...
I don't think they're going to just up and cut the addon functionality ASAP
lusty grotto
but they def shouldn't drop 3 addons at the same time
frosty mango
Burn it down
lofty warren
What in the fresh hell is this? They are going to disable add-ons and instead implement their own shifty and buggy version?
frosty mango
Sad news I gotta go back to work
chilly brook
Especially with how the Cooldown Manager has been received
frosty mango
Guess you get your tax moneys worth today
chilly brook
I think they recognize that it's going to take time
lusty grotto
ok thats good then
chilly brook
Cooldown Manager good first step, still needs lots of work
manic mural
its going to get worse before it gets better.
lofty warren
They have been listening to asmongold too much who says wow bad bc there is details addon
chilly brook
They have been listening to asmongold too much who says wow bad bc there is deta...
nah fr though the amount of shit I have to have externally to play the game is a real deterrent
lusty grotto
replacing details with their version is not the problem, its actually better for us
because we see what they see, finally
chilly brook
I've been raiding mythic for idk how many expansions now
and I'm sick of WAs for raid
lusty grotto
Blizzard details of the 3, is an improvement in every way
the other 2 are questionable depending on their implementation
chilly brook
Like seriously WA packs for raid is aids
most of the time superfluous information (outside of bosses where it's literally required which suck and no one likes)
and basically every raid team requires them
lofty warren
Will blizz replace wcl and weak auras too?
chilly brook
We also don't know how far they're planning on going with this
WAs might still be around
lusty grotto
i agree with griff this a good thing
chilly brook
Just might be limited on what they can do for encounters
shut summit
boomer take but i really miss raiding before the massive amount of info that's available nowadays
most shit wasnt streamed, no WA or healer cd prep sheets that were needed
sharp gale
Gen Z take, big blizzard W
lofty warren
Spending massive amounts of dev time on recreating add-ons instead of focusing on where this is real value - adding m+ solo q and LFG mythic raid/myrhic flex raid
chilly brook
Also WoW has to compete with other options on the market. FF doesn't have the kind of external requirements that WoW has and stuff like Fellowship which is a M+ competitor has all the stuff just built into the game
chilly brook
Spending massive amounts of dev time on recreating add-ons instead of focusing o...
M+ solo q is so bait
that would be so bad
lusty grotto
fuck solo q
lofty warren
If all other games can do it why not wow
You can still manually make group if you want
sharp gale
Which ones ?
chilly brook
Yeah man I'd love to have my 16s terrorized
chilly brook
very different game modes
toxic pewter
It’s definitely coming not sure when though
chilly brook
and rated PvP outside of the (decidedly failed) solo q mode all require you to make your own group
lusty grotto
fuck solo queue
sharp gale
Fuck OF
chilly brook
solo q arena for pvp was not the massive "W" people thought it would be
lofty warren
Think the most popular is pvp solo q as far as number of matches go i thinm
lusty grotto
make groups listed instead and have people join instead of lead selecting them, similar to FFXIV
toxic pewter
Uhhh yeah solo queue is regarded as very good for PvP
chilly brook
Uhhh yeah solo queue is regarded as very good for PvP
according to who? most of the people who did pvp as their main form of game mode touted it as a failure
toxic pewter
The numbers alone don’t lie. Solo shuffle increased PvP activity by a lot. Granted PvP participation has always been pretty low
sharp gale
Most people who do PvP now is like 10 dudes
toxic pewter
Also bg blitz is good too
pallid quiver
It wasn't a failure in terms of how many people played; it was a failure because of how it impacted normal PvP queuing and shot Arena and messed with how PvP people engaged with the game iirc
lofty warren
If ppl want to make group manually they can. This is just adding option to solo q as well. More option = more better
chilly brook
numbers doesn't mean good btw
pallid quiver
numbers doesn't mean good btw
This is probably the big thing; solo shuffle doesn't feel as balanced or fun as proper arena play, but it's so much easier to do that people settle for it outside of real dedicated players
toxic pewter
I have reached 2400 in solo shuffle as arms. Definitely was one of my most cherished wow achievements
small steeple
Spending massive amounts of dev time on recreating add-ons instead of focusing o...
lmao
lofty warren
Don't lie you know you agree with me
chilly brook
If I did I wouldn't have said this is a good change 🙂
small steeple
"Real value"
They just need to hire the addon makers and call it a day
lofty warren
True. It's a copy/paste job when they should spend time adding mythic + solo q, flex mythic raid, solo q mythic raid
nocturne spindle
solo pvp q kinda even itself out though
trash one side is statistically likely to be trash on the other side
small steeple
True. It's a copy/paste job when they should spend time adding mythic + solo q, ...
whats with you and solo que? Its an mmo
If you want to play 100% solo with no interactions, this is the wrong genre
chilly brook
if blizzard wanted to do what's healthy for PvP in this game they'd just scrap the whole PvP system and rebuild it from the ground up with a limited toolkit and specific PvP only abilities per class
lofty warren
True they would reduce number of buttons and also remove aoe cap
All those are higher priority than recreating details that literally already exist
chilly brook
aoe cap is garbage
lusty grotto
like... ffxiv
chilly brook
like... ffxiv
correct
the fact of the matter is that unless you've been a PvPer for an extended amount of time already there's just simply way too much complexity to PvP to actually have it be an approachable game mode
lusty grotto
best grouping implementation, just automatically restrict keys to a specific rating,
leader lists
everyone else just joins
leader can set restrictions
small steeple
if blizzard wanted to do what's healthy for PvP in this game they'd just scrap t...
my god, that almost sounds like.... plunderstorm
lofty warren
That sounds like solo q but with more steps @lusty grotto
lofty warren
Hiw
chilly brook
my god, that almost sounds like.... plunderstorm
honestly if they took the lessons learned from plunderstorm and applied it to a wow pvp revamp I'd play the shit out of it
small steeple
That sounds like solo q but with more steps <@131897531251556352>
solo que is you hit a button, then you are in a group/game
lofty warren
And here you hit a button and same thing
chilly brook
I mean honestly
small steeple
No, here you explicitly join a group
chilly brook
solo q argument for m+ just comes down to you don't want to list your own key or push your own key
lofty warren
Uhh but the function is the same?
lusty grotto
you have to choose a group first
small steeple
not like I've played ff14 so don't have much to say
lusty grotto
you scroll, find your dungeon
click
instead of "applying" you "join"
thats the only difference
lofty warren
I guess as the leader you can say "i will only accept 3.1 k io ppl in my +10 key" 🤮
dusky canopy
you have to choose a group first
🤮
lusty grotto
not the 20 million dps
dusky canopy
Oof sorry felt a little sick there for a second
lusty grotto
also you can afk as leader 🙂
dusky canopy
chilly brook
you could just like
list your own key
and then be the on in control of how fast or slow the key fills
lusty grotto
absolutely
small steeple
I only pug when I don't want to do my key at its level, and wanna do lower ones
lofty warren
Even right now you can make group and set minimums so it's basically the same thing except leader can't reject you if you playing augmentation evoke
lusty grotto
you got it
lofty warren
Don't like not being able to reject augs
nocturne spindle
i mean if you do an auto que system i think youd just have to get rid of key depletion
chilly brook
I only pug when I don't want to do my key at its level, and wanna do lower ones
I only pug if I have a key I no longer need for score or my key depleted and I can't be bothered to take the 40m to get it back up
chilly brook
i mean if you do an auto que system i think youd just have to get rid of key dep...
keys in general
it'd likely just be "okay you've done all 15s now you can q for 16s"
lofty warren
Ohh so you can say "3k io minimum and 670 ilvl min and no augs or any spec that is below A on the tier lists"
small steeple
I only pug if I have a key I no longer need for score or my key depleted and I c...
yeah, at that point I do other keys and try to reroll it
lofty warren
Hmm that seems good. Maybe even better than solo q
small steeple
Anyone here play the early Fellowship?
oh you beat me
lmao
yeah the demo super EA trial of Fellowship had this kind of system
chilly brook
And honestly wasn't a huge fan
lofty warren
Is there a way to auto-block and specs below A on archon tier list or do you have to manually click on the low ones?
small steeple
Is there a way to auto-block and specs below A on archon tier list or do you hav...
...my guy, you always talk about tier lists in the end. What key level are you doing? 10? 11? 12? 13? 14? It probably doesn't matter
lofty warren
What if I want to force the group to have at least 1 brez and 1 bloodlust?
That requires more logic
lusty grotto
it should be possible
xiv has a no class dupe option, basically everyone uses it, you can just restrict slots by class/job
and wow would do something like a lust category
small steeple
What if I want to force the group to have at least 1 brez and 1 bloodlust?
I feel like you are being purposefully obtuse? That wouldn't be hard to implement. There are already addons that filter lfg groups on if they have bloodlust, are if there is enough spots to fit a bloodlust after you join
lofty warren
Well I'm asking because if it's going from manual approvals to rule based then it would have to account for that
small steeple
In this pure hypothetical, I'm sure it would be implemented
lusty grotto
yeah its just an idea
lofty warren
What about cases if you set min ilvl to 370 and there is a group applying 1 guy is wow #1 4k io 375 ilvl and his friend that is 365 ilvl alt of the wow #2 guy?
lusty grotto
im just wondering why no single content creator has picked up on it
lofty warren
Normally I would invite if the other guy is overqualified and other guy under bc it balances out
small steeple
What about cases if you set min ilvl to 370 and there is a group applying 1 guy ...
it would auto decline them
Thats how it works rn
lusty grotto
everything is "solo queue is good, solo queue is bad" instead of just looking at how WoW handles grouping
and looking to other games for solutions
small steeple
As it stands, in current wow, if you apply to a group with a min ilvl, and you have another party member who is below said ilvl, you will be insta declined by the system itself
lusty grotto
well then they wait
but nobody will know whats meta
at least from group lists
and it will feel better than being constantly declined
because you simply do not see the group
dusky canopy
They’ll know what’s popular from the analytic websites just like now and assume that’s meta
lusty grotto
sure
dusky canopy
So the problem is still the same
lusty grotto
not at all
dusky canopy
40 minutes in que when off meta
lusty grotto
youve applied to groups for 40 mins
its not the same thing
youre not getting declined
dusky canopy
I think having the FF group finder would be a nice addition all I’m saying is it doesn’t solve the issue really
lofty warren
*blocks all non meta specs*
This is super necessary and good QOL feature imo
lusty grotto
im not trying to solve the meta issue here brew
lofty warren
Actually idk I'd want to auto reject all low tier specs. Like if the world #1 low tier guy applies to my +13 whatever, I'll probably invite him
lusty grotto
im trying to show there's systems that do not require stinky solo queues to relieve queue times
small steeple
*blocks all non meta specs*
thats what Pepega would do, even asked if he could lmao
small steeple
This is super necessary and good QOL feature imo
no
lofty warren
You would need to have different thresholds depending on the tier list placement
lusty grotto
if you block all non meta specs, the one that waits is the leader
dusky canopy
It could increase a persons playtime who’s willing to play with any specs definitely, I don’t disagree with that
lusty grotto
not the dps applying
small steeple
Tier lists are bs and literally represent what players are playing rather than viabilitity
And would only make it worse
lofty warren
Aug is low on tier list you think that is just bc that is what they would rather play or bc it blows
small steeple
Aug is low on tier list you think that is just bc that is what they would rather...
My guy, you point out the one and only exception, the only one I can think of at all. Its clear its gonna be getting a huge rework and was intentionally made terrible
dusky canopy
People are super self centered and degenerate in gaming now it’s all about being hyper optimal to have the best chance of success because time is limited
It’s really an impossible thing to solve
solid sun
My guy, you point out the one and only exception, the only one I can think of at...
Now do holy priest
small steeple
Which is why adding in a way to filter out "bad" specs would be a terrible idea
small steeple
Now do holy priest
They're just not designed with m+ in mind. Similar to brew
dusky canopy
I personally think it would be a net negative also
Because everybody will be degen about it
We all know this
lusty grotto
you guys do know there's meta comps in xiv right?
but to find a group
i just do this
who cares what the meta is
small steeple
who cares what the meta is
pepega
lusty grotto
if a group is filtered by meta comp, i just dont fucking see it
small steeple
lusty grotto
i dont wait
to get declined/relisted/timeout
i just join
the wait is on the leader
dusky canopy
I’m similar in wow lfg when I’m hosting a lot of times I’ll pick a spec just because I haven’t played with one in a while as long as there score card looks decent they’re in
Most people are not like this
They’ll wait for the meta shit to apply
lusty grotto
setting filters is a lot more work
if you want to do that, at least in this game, have fun
so if WoW also makes it tedious as fuck, im pretty sure nobody will care about setting filters
until an addon comes around...
lusty grotto
no
it is
savages/ultimates are as toxic, they just mask it
anyone that says otherwise is lying to you and to themselves
solid sun
lol
lofty warren
To make a good group sign up it would need to take the initial min rating and then multiply it by how good spec is and then compare it to weighted min threshold. Can apply if weighted min <= weighted rating
solid sun
Wat
lofty warren
Liek a good spec would get a 1.2x multiplier and bad spec a 0.75 multiplier. If the min score is 3k io then a vdh can apply if with 2950 but augmentation needs to have like 3.5k io to apply
solid sun
So you’re just hurting all the one tricks who perform well and are good
lofty warren
All the super good one tricks can still get in. The other choice is to just blanket say "I will not accept bad spec no matter what"
solid sun
And the above average one tricks who would serve your group better than the carried fotm rerollers?
You’d miss out on them
lofty warren
Looks it's all configuration, if you want to have 0 io score minimum you can do that too
You can have group with brew, 3 augs, and whatever the low tier healer is if you want
lofty warren
Pwar is a tier so you would have a more favorable rating multiplier
solid sun
Whose tier list are we uploading into this
lofty warren
I think archon? Or maybe it can pull from all the good tier lists including wowhead and then make a "meta" tier list so it can apply multipliers correctly
solid sun
I think we should remove the group finder
And if you want to run a key you just go to the dungeon and hold up a sign and advertise yourself
and wait
lofty warren
Disgusting
tribal wharf
we need to go back to the time where you went out to the meeting stone and it did fuck all
lofty warren
Want to do this dungeon? OK time for a 45 minute flight and run to dungeon
tribal wharf
that would be the way it was on xbox 360 live for say, bf3, for the sniper missions
filtering out all the trigger happy idiots
that took me like, 6 hours theres a co-op mission you have to work with a buddy as snipers and time and align the shots
just to find someone who wasnt a moron
tribal wharf
yes, thats what im saying to extent
even harder to find players for dead games that i wanted to do achivements in
lofty warren
@lusty grotto using your filter idea i added some improvements and think that is the correct solution. You can put together and send to blizz? They obviously have nothing to do if they just copy/pasting details addon
lusty grotto
lol
if only it were that simple
i think the best way to get attention from blizzard is to convince content creators
tribal wharf
i have a hot take about the 1 button thing
i think if you are using the 1 button thing, it should display it to the world
and you cant remove it
i think that has to be the caveat
pallid quiver
yogi wants us all to suffer
hardy grove
How do you guys tank 2nd boss in rook
lusty grotto
theres not a way to tank it
lofty warren
Very carefully
pallid quiver
How do you guys tank 2nd boss in rook
Tank it in the puddles so your melee DPS bitch that you suck
hardy grove
Been tanking him like back corner to start and just baiting there and moving one over
But there’s always ranged or healer that just stands in middle of room or in a spot that ends up cornering me and melee
lusty grotto
it doesnt matter
tribal wharf
i think take out 10 or so of the useless buttons, for each class so we have 20 active buttons instead of 30
lusty grotto
i dont think ive ever thought about where to tank him
you just move around the room thats it
tribal wharf
like, having shield slam in the spell book as arms
lofty warren
Inly thing that I do that uses some thinking is making sure i take the purple arrow debuff thing unless I just had it
hardy grove
Do you run out to ranged to take it ?
lusty grotto
no need
just be closer to them
than any other
ranged can be in africa
as long as youre the closest, youll get it
you dont have to hug them
small steeple
Pwar is a tier so you would have a more favorable rating multiplier
lmao again with the tierlist. They are bullshit. It's literally aggregated data representing more what people play than viability, or just some streamers opinion
lofty warren
That way real data and expert opinion is used
Wowhead is expert opinion not aggregate data
frosty mango
Tier lists are….an attempt to represent quantitative data effectively but it’s up to the person to arrive at the correct interpretation
small steeple
you will not find a single tierlist anyway that agrees
frosty mango
Like archon is great if you understand how to use it
small steeple
lofty warren
Yes but if you pull the ones that use data + expert opinion ones together you can have a "meta" tierlist that is most accurate.?
frosty mango
But if you just load up archon and have no idea how they arrived at those conclusions you’re not really getting any value from it yea?
frosty mango
Yes but if you pull the ones that use data + expert opinion ones together you ca...
What is expert
Subjective
small steeple
Plenty of these "experts" have been wrong too.
lofty warren
Wowhead icyveins expert opinion
frosty mango
Wowhead icyveins expert opinion
They are far from experts, lol
small steeple
Wowhead icyveins expert opinion
first time I've ever heard Petko called an expert on tanks
lofty warren
That one guy yoda made the wowhead tier list and said that vdh s tier even though it was lower in 11.0 and he was right
small steeple
That one guy yoda made the wowhead tier list and said that vdh s tier even thoug...
what?
frosty mango
That one guy yoda made the wowhead tier list and said that vdh s tier even thoug...
That has a lot more to do with influence than reality
Did it occur to you that everyone started laying vdh because yoda said it was better and that makes it self reinforcing
lofty warren
Before 11.1 yoda put on wowhead tier list the he thinks vdh is top tier and he was right. And he wasn't using historical data bc vdh was not top tier the season before
frosty mango
That’s why tierlists are useless because they are echo chambers
frosty mango
Before 11.1 yoda put on wowhead tier list the he thinks vdh is top tier and he w...
Why was he right
Explain it to me
Why is vdh the best
small steeple
Everything points to it being prot paladin last Season. And before that everything points to it being fairly balanced.
frosty mango
I’m not saying it isn’t I’m saying I want you to tell me why it is and “because yoda said so” isn’t right
lofty warren
I think it's because they spec is actually better and the good ppl go to it. But nobody on earth going to convince me that if you put aug in top tier 11.1 that it would stay there
frosty mango
I think it's because they spec is actually better and the good ppl go to it. But...
Why is it better
lofty warren
They got lots of buffs in 11.5 like a free talent point and a buff to demon spikes so they have like 100% uptime
frosty mango
So how does that translate to it being better than prot pal, or war
small steeple
I think it's because they spec is actually better and the good ppl go to it. But...
Because aug is literally the most unviable spec possibly ever right now. And even then, a good aug player is perfectly fine, assuming their group is good too.
I think you are moving the goal post here
comparing literally dirt with apples
lofty warren
Ppal goy nerfs in 11.5 and therefore became worse, so much worse that it dropped to a tier
Ppal got like 3 nerfs
frosty mango
Ppal goy nerfs in 11.5 and therefore became worse, so much worse that it dropped...
Yes but why is it worse
lofty warren
Why worse? They do less dps and require more hps
small steeple
Ppal goy nerfs in 11.5 and therefore became worse, so much worse that it dropped...
bro wtf is 11.5? And what does "a tier" even mean? Is there a quantified value for what S tier vs a tier is?
lofty warren
Let me see if I can find the 11.5 patch notes
small steeple
Let me see if I can find the 11.5 patch notes
11.5? again? Is not a thing
frosty mango
Tier lists provide no supporting evidence for their rankings (usually) and then people do literally what you’re doing now, which is basically just saying “it’s better because it’s better” with no factual basis for that decision
Tier lists are hands down the worst trend to come out in the past few years, they lower the collective iq of the entire player base
I’ll die on that hill
lofty warren
This is why ppal got worse
frosty mango
Vdh is better if played optimally but instead of players using their brains we have 6000 people fotm rerolling because of a tier list
And that’s why dhs leaping into packs and falling over is a meme
Direct result of tier lists
lofty warren
Vdh has higher skill floor than ppal in my opinion
small steeple
Vdh has higher skill floor than ppal in my opinion
lofty warren
Do you agree with this @frosty mango "tier lists are imperfect and often the published tier lists are partially self fulfilling. However, they provide a good estimation on the relative power of specs within a specific role/content set. Forward look tier lists look at upcoming tuning, ptr testing, and high key ppl providing opinions while backward facing one's rely on aggregated data" ?
frosty mango
I agree with the premise but my personal belief is “tier lists dis-incentivize player knowledge growth and actively harm the community by reducing a complex set of data which can be highly subjective into a single data point which may or may not be accurate and is essentially an opinion presented as fact”
agile parrot
has anyone ever tried the talent second wind? i wonder how big the healing gets, it only says increases the closer you are to death
frosty mango
has anyone ever tried the talent second wind? i wonder how big the healing gets,...
Not enough to be meaningful
Not in pve anyway
The healing it does would almost certainly A) not save you if you were dying and B) be healed by the healer anyway
agile parrot
cause im wondering what the best way to get self sustainablity into the kit theoretically
frosty mango
It’s great for pvp
frosty mango
cause im wondering what the best way to get self sustainablity into the kit theo...
You don’t, you’re a warrior
agile parrot
i know
frosty mango
You have impending victory and ignore pain, that’s the extent of your sustain
agile parrot
can get indomitable as well but idk how much that really helps
frosty mango
I personally think it’s a waste of a point given the healing it does would otherwise just be healed by the healer
(Indom)
lusty grotto
can get indomitable as well but idk how much that really helps
it doesnt
if youre taking these talents to solo some non-content, then by all means
do what you must
but in current content, they do not provide anything meaningful
agile parrot
if youre taking these talents to solo some non-content, then by all means
yea thats what i was looking at it for, high keys the healing is irrelevant
frosty mango
If you have a problem and the problem is you are rotting out and dying - assuming you are using your mitigation properly that’s not a you problem
Is it April first?
One button rotation?
What is this even lol?
frozen berry
Bringing classic players back to retail
lusty grotto
so its just for people starting out or w/e
lusty grotto
i'd imagine you would be able to tell whos using it and whos not
forest sluice
Bringing classic players back to retail
But according to the Twitter comments classic is super hard and us retail andies are bad
We could never understand the complexities of pressing 1 button for an entire raid
frozen berry
I’m going to use it to multi box an entire group for keys
lusty grotto
feels like a bad idea though
it works on other games cause there's combos
WoW doesnt have combos
so i agree with you there Roid
the silver linining is that due to the "slightly longer GCD" or "1 second delay" you will be able to know who is using it and who's not
but that's about it
i dont think its a classic push
its a console/controller push
a very clear one
frosty mango
Gonna backfire
frosty mango
Players will always (generally speaking) the easiest path
lusty grotto
we have voice comms in game, and nobody uses it
frosty mango
We are going to be inundated with people using a one button rota doing ass dps and bricking keys
Same result as tier lists, dis-incentivizes player learning
I’ll hold judgement until I see their implementation though, I may be misreading it
If it was like, a one button base rota and it didn’t include any procs etc I guess I’d be ok with it I just don’t see how they could make it work
small steeple
You don’t, you’re a warrior
ehhh you kinda do. It's called leech 
frosty mango
ehhh you kinda do. It's called leech <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
Yea but that’s better the more you zug
More zug more live
Like a real warrior
small steeple
Yea but that’s better the more you zug
zug zug. I had a key where I was like 3rd lowest ehrps
yeah found it. Rookery 10 I did last night
lofty warren
I agree with the premise but my personal belief is “tier lists dis-incentivize p...
Good now that we agree we can discuss how all the tier lists can be brought in automatically and when you set min io score and each spec gets a multiplier based on the tier list they are in so high tier gets an artificial boost in their io score and lower get a decrease proportion to where they are
frosty mango
Good now that we agree we can discuss how all the tier lists can be brought in a...
We can also have a new interface where we can interview group applicants and score them poorly if they’re bad
Like social credit
That would work great right?
Right?
small steeple
solid sun
Are they angling for no more addons?
small steeple
Good now that we agree we can discuss how all the tier lists can be brought in a...
Not sure what part of what Roidberg said he agreed that this should be an automated system. He said, "I agree with the premise" in refrence to your" Foward and Backward Tierlist"
lofty warren
We can also have a new interface where we can interview group applicants and sco...
Ohh good idea
small steeple
ok he has to be trolling now
lofty warren
And their personal score can factor into their io multiplier when applying
forest sluice
Please God don’t let blizzard cook with their own boss mods and shit
They’re gonna be inferior garbage
solid sun
Idk if anyone should be able to identify when a boss ability is coming it’s the people making the bosses right
forest sluice
They could do a lot of things (and should have already with the money they make) but I can almost guarantee it’s gonna be garbage like the cd manager
dusky canopy
Right, it has huge potential but they need to succeed with it
We’ll see show it goes
lusty grotto
im so bored of the doomposting, ive played this game for too long
frosty mango
We’ll see show it goes
More likely we’ll see how it doesn’t
forest sluice
The fact that they are just now, 20 years into wow, considering adding a dmg meter is insane to me
frosty mango
im so bored of the doomposting, ive played this game for too long
Switch to shitposting like me
Much more fun
lofty warren
I will say it would be nice not having to update add-ons and know on every patch day shit gonna be broken
forest sluice
It’s not even here yet gotta give it a chance
I’ve been burned every time
frosty mango
It could end up being better
There you go, top quality shitpost right there
forest sluice
At some point it’s just pattern recognition
dusky canopy
How many times have you heard a person say “huh I guess my timer was off”
lusty grotto
was it pattern recognition when they improved keys this season?
🥱
anything they put in will be instantly hated
but given enough iterations, and it'll do
given that they iterate
forest sluice
was it pattern recognition when they improved keys this season?
They’ve had m+ in the game since legion my guy
forest sluice
Yeah, they either make improvements years too late or not at all
forest sluice
I mean everyone is entitled to their opinion mine is just based on what they have historically failed at
lusty grotto
which is everything, right?
forest sluice
When did I say that
forest sluice
You just wanna argue with someone not engaging
lusty grotto
is that what im doing?
forest sluice
You have your opinion I have mine there’s not much more to talk about
lusty grotto
ok then o7
harsh trellis
bombsuit
how good is it now?
I just got one in the mail I guess nobody rolled on it last night
forest sluice
Isn’t it the best defensive trinket
I assume the higher you push it could have better and better value
harsh trellis
yeah like 8.5 mil dmg reduction
lusty grotto
bombsuit good
jagged gust
Had a BDK rocking 950k overall in a 10 flood last week
nocturne spindle
i cant wait for like
dev evoker to not care about the delay
and be at like 95% effectiveness
solid sun
I think nimchip has a real point, and idc that the people involved in the conversation ended it. I’ll still make the point. It’s so tiresome how everytime an improvement is attempted people just instantly shit all over it
jagged gust
That's wow in general
solid sun
“They’re too late” or “it’ll suck” get a new act
lusty grotto
see i would be one of them too if it wasnt for the turn around theyve done since SL
jagged gust
did you see the dozens of threads complaining about MM hunters getting an owl for lust?
or about them complaining about warbreaker graphics
wow players be salty dogs
lusty grotto
i think as long as they listen to the community (and they have been in comparison with the past Blizzard), they should try new things
you can say all you want about blizzard, but ignoring the fact that they arent pre DF blizzard is just dooming
without any rational thought
jagged gust
I play with people I like but just genuinely suck at the game, if this lets me include them without having to carry their corpse I'm all for it
lusty grotto
yeah see thats a plus side
and youre probably the first person to say it here since this announcement
and its important to take note of it
jagged gust
frosty mango
I am a realist
jagged gust
I am the realest
frosty mango
When they show me results I’ll be on board
lusty grotto
with all due respect roid, you arent
nocturne spindle
i think the only like
lusty grotto
cause youre ignoring the good things theyve done
solid sun
There’s plenty of people who want to game with me on my friends list that don’t update addons and don’t venture to wowhead and don’t join class discords and do weekly 10s for gear and if blizzard implements things that help them join me and it helps improve their baseline performance I’m all aboard
lusty grotto
your mindset would be on point if it was pre-DF blizzard though
nocturne spindle
well one of the reall big downsides. is this will push a decent amount of DPS higher, and there will be an even bigger tank/healer drought at most levels
lusty grotto
i can see it being realistic there
frosty mango
with all due respect roid, you arent
Ok, pragmatist. I agree with you that they are seemingly listening to feedback
I’m just not sold yet
Though the dinar changes were swift
So maybe I’m investing
lusty grotto
well
frosty mango
I mean it’s less awful
I don’t see them budging on mythic rewards though that seems to be a pretty hard line in the sand
lusty grotto
its also human nature to highlight negative things instead of good things, tbf
jagged pier
Dinar stuff actually awful
Huh its great
Finally dont have to compete with everyone else for items
frosty mango
They also explicitly stated they are meant to be blp not acquisition like they were in fated
So in that sense - I understand their viewpoint
I think it’s dumb and incorrect, but I understand it
lusty grotto
i dont think, in its current form, the dinar will satisfy everyone
nocturne spindle
i think having dinars would be dumb just in a season
but they fucked up calling it dinars
and so now everyone wanted dinars as they were
lusty grotto
but a lot more people play keys instead of raiding, so it feels overly negative
jagged gust
Fellas, reddit is being reddit again
nocturne spindle
i do think the dinars should let you get mythic track M+
frosty mango
But that’s an easy fix, and they could easily fit that into their current philosophy
They just….dont
lusty grotto
Fellas, reddit is being reddit again
lmao
frosty mango
I mean technically knowing not to spam only revenge in single target is wrong is nuance
Also that advice is just gonna drive you back to shield slam since you will run out of rage nearly immediately not pressing shield slam and it’s gonna be all you got left to press lol
jagged gust
I wish Reddit worked like wowhead, my up/downvotes are worth like 3x
They also started the post with "Which mastery spec are you using? I’ve found colossus has a lot of down time"
HMMM
solid sun
Huh its great
Bait
jagged gust
S4 Dinars are poison imo
This iteration I like
Getting BIS is awesome, until you're inundated with dinars and realize there's zero incentive to actually do any content and the season dies out super early from lack of motivators
solid sun
Cope
jagged gust
copacetic
solid sun
The benefit to raiding mythic is you get access to the gear earlier than people who rely on the dinars
jagged gust
That's a benefit
I personally enjoy the experience of mythic raiding, the gear is a plus
but when you remove the motivator, you lose out on a large crowd of the playerbase
solid sun
Then it doesn’t matter if other people can get the gear
You’re motivated by the content
lusty grotto
im in a position where i wont really use dinars as they are
jagged gust
yes but I'm also motivated by having a playerbase to play with
lusty grotto
other 5 in my bags forever, unless if i somehow kill myth 1ab
oh im not saying that Rhino
prime sphinx
wew mugzee down 
jagged gust
Grab the cloak for the free movespeed if you don't have it yet
I'm constantly updating my old raid speed set so that's a big prio for me
lusty grotto
eh...
jagged gust
ymmv
lofty warren
eh...
Should also add a multiplier to more favorable show ppl that timed the key level and dungeon to the multiplier
solid sun
I keep typing stuff but I feel like I could write a whole novel about why this version of dinars sucks
But it doesn’t matter. The season was fun and overall was a W
lusty grotto
i think its mid, its not bad, it satisfies a section of the pop
i dont know how i would solve it for the rest of us without turning it into DF S4 dinars though
the current problem is that the good loot comes from later bosses which not everyone will be able to reliably pug
i think that's the root problem
jagged gust
As with every season, I learned to appreciate it but honestly there's a lot that didn't agree with me, but I came in to the season expecting mid so I'm not disappointed
forest sluice
I’m not gonna poopoo on free loot
Beats the alternative
We’re gonna be extending so it’ll be nice to snag myth house of cards or the mugzee gun on my hunter even if we never kill the boss again
solid sun
i think that's the root problem
I think it grossly offends heroic raiders and m+ers
I’ve never been a mythic raid pug kinda person so idk how often it is to reasonably pug any M bosses. I know last raid the first four were kind of a meme, but even then I never attempted it
lusty grotto
i think what would solve it is a way to jump tracks by doing the same content you are limited to
maybe at a slower pace
lofty warren
The implementation of dinars is bad and they should change it
forest sluice
Your average pug isn’t even gonna kill stix too much personal responsibility
chilly brook
dev evoker to not care about the delay
I mean they might not care about the channel GCDs but at least with current tier set there are a lot of instant casts and non channels
jagged gust
I’ve never been a mythic raid pug kinda person so idk how often it is to reasona...
Despite them being meme worthy, getting 0-1 bosses down in a singular pug is my typical experience
You can bounce around a little or form your own if you're comfortable with impromptu RLing and get 1-2 with some luck but it's a time investment
next pasture
mage who did bottom dps and pulled an extra mob right at the end of 2nd lust pull by accident said this route is bad. true?
i mean, it was certainly timeable, and the mage was an idiot, but if you're doing parasol skip is this not optimal?
was a 16, failed to 3 dps dying on last boss
mellow bridge
looks pretty standard except for pull 9
jagged gust
aren't you missing a bit of % in the last room?
next pasture
no, 102%
mellow bridge
generally you'd skip that and pull the 2 guys into 1st pull
next pasture
can you shroud pull 9?
jagged gust
generally you'd skip that and pull the 2 guys into 1st pull
oh I like that, good tip
mellow bridge
besides that it's the standard pug route for that lvl, if you wanna go higher you'd probably have to do 1st boss room more aggressively (assuming the comp allows it)
lofty warren
I normally don't do half of the guys on p7 and then just more downstairs idk if that's a good route but I timed 13 with it
mellow bridge
can you shroud pull 9?
ye
there is a truesight mob but he's looking away
so you can pass it if you hug the wall
jagged gust
I normally don't do half of the guys on p7 and then just more downstairs idk if ...
oh im dumb I missed pull 7
mellow bridge
i cant go on rn but usually pull 7 you'd pull the pat as well
use all CDs
then solo the next pack
skip
BL with all CDs
next pasture
yeah, i pull the pat in 14-15 but the healer was kinda cheeks
hence the 3 dps dying on last boss.. lol
2 spirit links all dungeon >..>
was instadispelling and melee was flooded with blue shit
lofty warren
Pulling more aggressively before boss 1 is a recipie for dead imo if you gonna have the interrupts and dps. That spam casters show no mercy
If you don't have the dps and interrupts*
mellow bridge
at a certain keylvl you have to assume your group has that 🤷♂️
but it depends on the comp obv
no point in pulling giga if you are playing targetcapped specs
forest sluice
Just bring a boomkin and unholy dk all the time forever
next pasture
i grabbed an arcane mage with my sin friend and an UH dk
arcane mage ended up being bottom damage... lol
forest sluice
They should yeah
mellow bridge
arcane kinda requires you to play around them
and assa competes for the same role
both do prio damage
next pasture
my friend actually was in the bleed build for lower keys still
lofty warren
Call me crazy but id rather have ele, balance, udk, disc with me instead of arcane mage. Especially if the shaman can add more aoe cast stopping
next pasture
not the high ST/prio build
i outdps'd him on first boss xd
didn't realize how rough sin ST is with that build
forest sluice
Dark ranger MM Hunter does good single target and still pretty good aoe depending on their build
next pasture
yeah i think i much prefer a mm hunter over mage just for BS value
forest sluice
I fucking annihilate bosses as dark ranger
next pasture
or balance just because they're busted + vers
forest sluice
I always like having a boomie man solar beam is so good
lofty warren
Solar beam ==> shaman knock up ==> aoe silence ==> aoe stun ==> mobs dead. Whole room before boss 1 in 2 pulls
forest sluice
Yeah that kind of cc makes a huge difference
next pasture
so the entire top and bottom sides?
forest sluice
Boomies are the only reason I didn’t break my monitor in stonevaults on anything higher than 13 last season
So many fucking casts happening always
next pasture
2 stormrooks isn't too much for healer?
- voidrider aoe
i guess if kicks are going well, dps can have defensives
lofty warren
Even you said pulling more in boss 1 room to save time @mellow bridge
mellow bridge
yes but not in 2 pulls lmao
lofty warren
Well it's 4 now so either it goes down to 3 or 2
small steeple
never listen to pepega
this
lofty warren
Watch i bet mdi does some BS and do it in 2 pull or less
small steeple
Watch i bet mdi does some BS and do it in 2 pull or less
MDI is the TGP now, not old format
lofty warren
Same thing but on the first keys they do (lowest level)
small steeple
what?
next pasture
what weakaura is that that shows all the casts going off?
or something built into his ui?
small steeple
what weakaura is that that shows all the casts going off?
https://wago.io/bYBj1kDwz
might be this one
no its not kicks are to side there
might be caused wa
lofty warren
Can you link the noawh one pls