protection

[velvet knot]

What's the pick fellas?

[oak ivy]

im takin the signet in this scenario

[pallid quiver]

There is metrics for evaluating your damage in a key, but you have to have a log to see those, since it can't pull those numbers without a log.

[oak ivy]

bloodoath**

[velvet knot]

i have a hero signet already and hero rings.

[oak ivy]

im a signet of the priory hater

so

[lusty tiger]

https://tenor.com/view/his-ass-is-not-reading-flipping-pages-blank-pages-bus-ride-gif-16938147

[velvet knot]

my rings have doodoo stats tho

[pallid quiver]

Signet ain't so good for Prot War, so unless it's an upgrade for DPS

[velvet knot]

so deffo ring then?

[pallid quiver]

In general, ye

[velvet knot]

ty bestie

[pallid quiver]

shame it rolled avoidance of all tertiaries,

but it is at least crit/haste

[velvet knot]

is that our best stats? I haven't played in ages

[lusty tiger]

Just set it from points to damage and they all have logs

[pallid quiver]

He was looking for specifically his +16s, none of which have logs

[rocky crest]

I mean I don't get invited to 16's so I cant have logs

[pallid quiver]

And yeah, generally our secondary stat prior is haste > crit > vers > mastery, though more secondaries is almost always better

[rocky crest]

was wondering if my 15 logs are shit or "under" average for not being qualified to get invs to 16's

[pallid quiver]

For the lower keys, like some of the 15s I can spot, they're fine

There's a lot more damage you could be doing,

But you're technically above average

Tank damage is not gonna be what times a key, to be entirely blunt; it's you not dying by messing up tank specific issues, you not pulling big enough, or the DPS/Heals getting murdered by casts that should have been stopped

[rocky crest]

mhm, it's just that ppl are so used to vdh 24/7 cc that if my cd's don't exactly line up. I might miss a few casts and dps dies

because they zug zug

[pallid quiver]

vdh doesn't really have that much CC anymore

It's definitely no DF S3/S4 control

[rocky crest]

all i see are vdh getting accepted in my groups. I normally spend 25 min to get a grp. I'm not whining ( I know I can make my own )

[pallid quiver]

That's the public perception kicking in.

It's even worse if you're a DPS

If you ain't first, you're last. Prot War can't even tank 2s, maybe not even 0s, if you go by public perception surrounding the meta.

It's also the case that when you get to that point of keys, the only reason to push is for self-fulfillment, so why hurt yourself by not running an optimal class. It might not be better by much, but the comp as a whole should theoretically perform better in the content.

[rocky crest]

I've talked with couple of healers running 16 n upwards all tend to say vdh's are the easiest to heal. As long as their IQ is " above a table "

True one could change class and see how far one could come. But running warrior till the day i put away the shield. Stubborn I guess

but in all honesty I've been thinkin of rerollin healer lately

Thank you for the input and talk @pallid quiver

[wintry wagon]

rip me taking myth one last week got myth pacemaker in my vault this week

[chilly brook]

Sorry didn't see this, this was basically the route I did for mine

[round cliff]

myth gloves in the vault

i GUESS ill take em

and catalyst

[chilly brook]

For pull 2 you're not doing all of that with cookie all at once I was just pulling a pack in every High Steaks

[round cliff]

im ilvl 668 now

still behind everyone 😭

feels like i shouldnt craft anything either cuz my hero slots are bis

[chilly brook]

if it makes you feel any better my monk alt is (slightly ahead) of my warrior

[round cliff]

like, replacing a hero bloodoath signet w/ crafted would feel bad

or replacing a hero semi-charmed amulet would feel bad

but i prob should

ig i could craft bracers instead

since they actually give str

[jagged gust]

Bracer craft feels so bad, higher ilvl but negative dopamine

[pale badge]

this is helpful, ty

[round pendant]

Anyone know if they patched the miniboss skip thing on priory

where you could kill them at the same time as first boss

[shut summit]

yes it's fixed

[round pendant]

so sad

[small steeple]

honestly suprised a bug like that even made it through ptr. It was one of my first ideas. Never tested it but still

[keen vine]

in M+ is there any way we use tome of lights devotion or do we just let it do its thing?

[round cliff]

press it if it's on armor

same as st

you just have less uptime on the crit buff in m+

[frosty mango]

Sometimes people don’t comment

There’s a gally bug that’s been around for a long time and somehow hasn’t been patched and people don’t seem to know about it

[dusky canopy]

HEDGEHOG

[pallid quiver]

i'll hedge your hog

[dusky canopy]

[small steeple]

whats that?

[frosty mango]

Can’t say because then it won’t be secret

[pallid quiver]

the bug is that he dies when you kill him

[frosty mango]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/gallywix-exploitbug/2098140

[pallid quiver]

blizz wanted this to be the last raid, where gallywix successfull kills the heroes of azeroth

[frosty mango]

It’s been around for a while

[idle copper]

There is a weakaura that gives you an alert to change to crit

[heavy sparrow]

I guess I'll have to take the trinket either way since it's probably the last time Imma see it in vault lol

[frosty mango]

Don’t take it and show them, don’t let them live vicariously through you

[heavy sparrow]

I want people to

So at least then people would know, hey, I know that guy

[dusky canopy]

Take the tome and afk on the mailbox in dorn

True vanilla experience

[frosty mango]

Name change to to “tomehaver” and take off all your gear but that

[tribal wharf]

40 paladins

err, whatever the cap is for that fight

[frosty mango]

It def works I’ve seen it done multiple times

[heavy sparrow]

Sword and shield is all you need, oh and don't forget the tome

[frosty mango]

I dont know why it works

[heavy sparrow]

@dusky canopy @frosty mango you guys are funny as hell

[frosty mango]

for different but equally resplendent reasons

[frosty mango]

I used to be memetier in this channel but my stonks are slightly elevating, I need to fix that with more shitposting

no one confuses me with roidstack anymore

[strange lintel]

hey does luck of the draw resets or adds into an already active shield wall ?

[warm plinth]

The power play is take it, then record you disenchanting it, then send the clip to @lusty grotto

Also just calling out a rare Nimchip ping by me that doesn't include a wow classic meme

[unborn island]

believe it adds

[dusky canopy]

Roidstack got perma benched last year iirc

That guy was definitely entertaining

[indigo hawk]

It add in this way but using shield wall after luck of the draw cancel the 4sec and put it to 8sec instead of 12sec… they need to fix that

[next pasture]

i've come to the conclusion i'll never be allowed to parse on gally. 3400 IO tank 3 ilvlvs higher than me, i rip threat, he doesn't taunt back. had to take 3 frontals in a row because even at that IO, i guess the average (insert generalization here) has rocks for brains

shit is so frustrating

so fun having to sit there and spam ignore pain, and thunderclap, never hitting revenge or shield slam because i'm too afraid to rip threat and wipe the raid randomly

[nocturne spindle]

pug tanks are silly gooses

[chilly brook]

Disc priest in high keys is so unbelievably banned

holy moly

anti-synergy healer

[chilly brook]

it's almost like IO has no correlation with raid knowledge

[dusky canopy]

Not only that but dude is probably half afk because he’s doing easy content for a ring and doesn’t give a shit about it otherwise

[round pendant]

HOLY PRIEST IS SO BAD

AAAAA

[warm plinth]

This is how things like that have always worked. I wouldn't hold my breath on it being changed

[lofty warren]

how do you charge on the last boss mechagon without charging and off map

[cerulean tusk]

You simply dont move foward after/as you charge?

Only demonhunters gets forced into the model and off the ledge

[lofty warren]

how do you do it as dh

[cerulean tusk]

You dont press the hunt or felblade, you simply run with your feetsies to it

[lofty warren]

is that the for real way to do it

[cerulean tusk]

As long you dont hunt, you can do what you want

[lofty warren]

yea but

it would be better if you could actually use the thing

[cerulean tusk]

sure would

[lofty warren]

wtf

[heavy sparrow]

I'll go on that a tank date

[lucid mica]

We stand in melee range and in a corner, for me it works but im scared anyway and if we are good on time i just dont press it

[jade tartan]

does anyone of you guys know, how to spawn all the bombs on the same spot in ML frist boss?

[cerulean tusk]

as far as I know, you cant. But if you bring it to the wall, you turn it from 360 degrees of drop to 180 degrees

[chilly brook]

Holy priest better than disc for us lmao

[jade tartan]

yes u can a tank just did it

[round pendant]

It's useless for everything else

[jade tartan]

he did it in that corner

all the coins and all the bombs where pixel stacked

ive asked him how he did it he just said "los corner pipes"

[cerulean tusk]

Guess you can place the boss behind there somehow, I know you can get the coins stacked - but the footballs? I will believe it is possilbe, but I dont know how.

Just do a normal run, and test a bit, see if you cant get it done right

[jade tartan]

thats what i am doing right now

he didnt really do any crazy shenanigans with the boss as far as i could tell

he had to dodge the frontal, but the "footballs" and coins

all where perfectly stacked

it was a dh, tho not sure if some doublejump stuff did it for him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcWQCL0dpUc

[lucid mica]

I think thats vdh specific bc the double jump-push-vr height makes the boss walk towards you and gets in the corner, i dont think thats possible for pwar but idk

[waxen frigate]

This is not accurate at all

You only go off the edge if you cast it from a fairly vertical angle

You can safely use those abilities if you’re near the sides of the room though

[cerulean tusk]

All I can say, is that I see them zoom in and off over and over. So fairly accurate. Did not know you could use them if you angle it from the sides.
Learned something new, something to share to next DH I bring

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/доббисвободен-добби-harry-potter-dobby-the-elf-freedom-gif-16615829

[cerulean tusk]

No ya aint

[chilly brook]

Floodgate prison is over

[cerulean tusk]

you need 3.6 for title

get back into flood

chop chop

[chilly brook]

(until I try to hit 16s)

[chilly brook]

nah just another 100ish

until keyflation hits with uncapped crests etc.

[cerulean tusk]

I presume it will rise a bit more untill season end ofc

Ya going title, or just want a pretty number?

If so, go 3333

[chilly brook]

I'm attempting to push as high as I can

so title hopefully

obviously I just swap to horde and get it amirite?

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, I believe ya will get title. I just pray for you there isnt some weird patch balance coming, shooting you in the leg

[frosty mango]

Sad

I gotta take up his mantle

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420

[chilly brook]

they already kneecapped our damage when blood dk was the real outlier

what else could they do?

Honestly, balance isn't even the hard part about pushing it's getting into groups

[cedar flicker]

hey guys, what to drop for disrupting shout?

[cerulean tusk]

The 10% rev dam talent

[lusty grotto]

SoF for colossus

instigate for thane

[heavy sparrow]

@chilly brook did the druid partial tank? Looking at your no rallying cry & his trinkets were they just going for bleed ticks or hwut

[chilly brook]

hmmm?

[heavy sparrow]

Woops* the druids trinkets were pvp trinkets

[chilly brook]

in what?

[small steeple]

i got 2 Big Red Buttons

lmao Its outsimming my myth Pacemaker

@pallid quiver halp?

[jagged gust]

what doesnt outsim pacemaker

[small steeple]

SO i have both big red buttons myth track in my vault, the one from CoC and the one from ML. The big red button is outsimming my mythic Pacemaker

[slow forge]

What’s the worst healer for us in M+?

[heavy sparrow]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-tww-2/12839912-15-priory-of-the-sacred-flame

[frosty mango]

By how much

[small steeple]

not much

[frosty mango]

There are no bad healers

Except for pres vokers

[small steeple]

cough cough holy priest cough cough jk

[frosty mango]

Ok fair

[chilly brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PLWa41ckxDYqCVzw?fight=1&type=summary&source=6

🙂

[frosty mango]

Oh yea I’m keeping pacemaker for sure

.2 % worth the no braining of pacemaker

[small steeple]

yeah

[lusty grotto]

socket

[small steeple]

yeah thats basically what i was thinking

[heavy sparrow]

First time seeing no rallying cry. I dig it. You got the priest and other members who can heal as well

[lusty grotto]

tbf

he did it cause sense did it first

[chilly brook]

^^

[lusty grotto]

but its a good thing if your group is covered by group defensives

[chilly brook]

I've had more people die because of some random mob that barely got touched than people dying from not having 10% extra HP

[lusty grotto]

100%

rally is just dogshit tbh, we only pick it cause we might not have the most coordinated groupwide defensives in any scenario

[heavy sparrow]

I see both those statements

Wonder if it'll ever teach folks to use their algari pots

[lusty grotto]

people use them

in high keys

[chilly brook]

Class discord demons really are something smh

[heavy sparrow]

Which is 33% of most people's health

[lusty grotto]

lol griff

[chilly brook]

health pot very gud

[lusty grotto]

i have like 200 of them at all times

[small steeple]

doesn't heal pot share cooldown with invis and combat pots?

[heavy sparrow]

Same

Only the pink one does

[chilly brook]

people lose their shit when you imply that some healers specs naturally work better with some tank specs

[heavy sparrow]

Not the red one @small steeple

[small steeple]

red one?

[lusty grotto]

algari healing pot

healing pots dont share and havent since DF

the pink one is a new thing

but nobody should be using that one

[small steeple]

ah. last time i used heal pots was bfa

or sl?

[lusty grotto]

these ones are banned

[small steeple]

either way

[lusty grotto]

those ones should be vendored asap, they do share

[heavy sparrow]

Algari

They don't have shared CD

[vestal moat]

What do people get instead of rallying cry? honed reflexes?

[lusty grotto]

whatever sense is getting heh

[small steeple]

this is what I run. SOmetimes I grab fear shout for extra aoe stop

[frosty mango]

These are used to break down into the shit I need to make cauldrons

So please continue to put them on the ah for 1g

And I will continue to buy them

[lusty grotto]

lol same

i just send them to my alch

[heavy sparrow]

I still keep both heal pots and tempered and always take bitter immunity

But I'm also not good

[lusty grotto]

ew

[heavy sparrow]

Yep

[frosty mango]

Ew bitter immunity

Delete

[heavy sparrow]

I should probably go uninstall with my mythic tome too I guess

[frosty mango]

Yes

Please record

[chilly brook]

it's basically a flex point, default I run the 5% shorter CD on interrupt and wall (I think that's honed?) and then the larger TC radius

[heavy sparrow]

I'll try out that build

[frosty mango]

You gave up rallying cry?

Gasp

[heavy sparrow]

Looks very rely on your own damn resources and mitigations kinda build

[frosty mango]

What ever will groups do without it

What they need to do is turn it into rallying banner

And make it do 20% Dr if you stand in it

Banners were bis

[mighty valley]

Just priest barrier?

[cunning siren]

Stupid question. How is the jastor diamond for prot? Didnt expect i'd see it and now i have to chose between a heroic version and mythic cloak in my vault.

[pallid quiver]

give us skull banner back you cowards

[lusty grotto]

sim it

its bis for everyone including us, but against a myth cloak you would have to sim

[cunning siren]

thanks

[frosty mango]

No because it’s a banner

[frosty mango]

Hard agree

Tbh if they just replaced champions spear and made it skull banner

Or champions banner or w/e

Give us some flavor

[warm plinth]

The three things warriors constantly scream for that sucked: banners, heroic strike, and gladiator stance

[frosty mango]

Two of those things sucked

Banners were awesome

If someone wants heroic strike back just ban them now

[lusty grotto]

how dare you

[lusty grotto]

HOW DARE YOU

[frosty mango]

Go back to classic with that nonsense

[lusty grotto]

you would rather have a stupid dumb ass absorb offgcd

[frosty mango]

No I’d rather have skull banner

[lusty grotto]

well im ok with that

but honestly ghash aint wrong

i just want a version of HS that doesnt go on next hit

and so that decision making is made on the off-gcd level

and not in "oh this one dumb absorb is off-gcd so therefore its better"

[dusky canopy]

Oh god

You want heroic strike back!?

https://tenor.com/view/tom-delonge-blink182-wtf-meme-what-the-heck-first-date-gif-25383351

[lusty grotto]

brew

read 3 lines above

[frosty mango]

Isn’t this just slam off the global

[lusty grotto]

yeah basically

[frosty mango]

It sounds so much less offensive when you say “i want slam ogcd”

[warm plinth]

No attacks happen on next hit anymore. Haven't for a long time.

[frosty mango]

What about auto attacks

[lusty grotto]

of course

[frosty mango]

They happen on the next attack

[lusty grotto]

instead of slam

just make revenge ogcd

there

rotation fixed for everyone 🙂

im just tired of IP

[warm plinth]

They could just put IP back on the gcd again Nim 😏

[lusty grotto]

lmao

im not that crazy

[warm plinth]

XD

[frosty mango]

Or just make ignore pain be applied as a byproduct of output

Then we could achieve true zug

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt be against that

[stuck fulcrum]

Who can tell me where I can get some good routes for mythical +10 and up?

[lusty grotto]

raider.io

and keystone.guru

#protection message

[round cliff]

is there catchup for gallagio loyalty rep?

[lusty grotto]

i was wondering about that

im not exactly sure but it wouldn't make sense if it didnt exist

[round cliff]

i missed a week of raid, logged in today, and got told i lost 1500 rep

down to base lvl 9

so i mustve been on track somehow

[lusty grotto]

last week was capped at 9

so uhh

[round cliff]

small indie company

[lusty grotto]

yeah well there were some hotfixes to fix the dumb bugs with it

[nocturne spindle]

i think bosses give double the weekly cap

[pallid quiver]

I thought banners were a really cool utility. And I mean MoP banners. I don't think they're a good fit for current game, but they were cool giving flavor to give you utility options.
Heroic Strike was just iconic, but not actually really meaningful. It was just what we pressed to avoid capping rage like we press IP now. It'd be more interesting if it had a defensive/offensive sacrifice to make, but that's not really common rotationally for tanks. Like, even WoG can have damage attached to it by dropping hammers if templar, so like

[lusty grotto]

yeah well thats what i meant when it comes to decision making

the problem is there's no decision making when an offensive skill isnt off-gcd

[pallid quiver]

oh shit there was a whole conversation that happened

[lusty grotto]

cause the one (or two) off-gcd skills are purely defensive

[pallid quiver]

I just saw the one comment when I tabbed in here

[lusty grotto]

so i would love if there was an off-gcd type cleave (which i equate to HS, but it should def not be HS/on-next-hit)

[pallid quiver]

on next hit spells should never exist again

[lusty grotto]

i agree

[pallid quiver]

And this is coming from someone who is loosely considering trying out MUDs

entirely unrelated, nim what color is my L sprue

there's too many sprues here smh

[warm plinth]

Me as a baby druid:

/casts Maul
/casts Ironfur

Maul no longer casts because I spent the rage I was gonna use for it on Ironfur 🙂

[lusty grotto]

your what

[pallid quiver]

i'm building a gundam model

you clip the parts out of sprues/runners

and they're labelled with letters

[lusty grotto]

oh shit

i used to do jet/plane model building when i was little

so i kinda do know what youre talking about

[warm plinth]

I don't even know if it was Ironfur back then? Might have been something else. But either way I did that all the time.

[pallid quiver]

I grew up as a macro hater

I've never once macro'd a trinket to a CD, even

[warm plinth]

It wasn't a macro

I was explaining the sequence of the events that resulted in Maul not casting

Maul was an on-next-hit spell too

[pallid quiver]

I didn't really play a druid way back then, so

[cerulean tusk]

[pallid quiver]

oh

yeah makes sense

[lusty grotto]

yeah maul was just HS

but for bears

[warm plinth]

The worst part of those was not the fact that it happened on next hit, but that the resource wasn't spent until it actually went off.

Because it made it feel twice as bad

[pallid quiver]

I should've expected that, since Bears were pretty much warrior

[warm plinth]

Which obviously it needed to wait til the cast went off because it would feel like shit to drop 40 rage on a spell that never cast because the mob died or something

[pallid quiver]

it also made you not gain rage, either

since you lost the white to a yellow

[warm plinth]

Let's talk about something cooler

[pallid quiver]

like the zeta gundam I'm building?

[warm plinth]

Like the fact that they're doing an 8 episode miniseries of Tremors starring Kevin Bacon.

Wish they'd done it 10 years ago so Fred Ward could be in it though

[fallow fern]

Is he one of the tremors?

Cause that would be cool lol

[warm plinth]

Nah it's basically his character returning to Perfection decades later from what it sounds like

[nocturne spindle]

im finally free bois

[lusty grotto]

gz!

[warm plinth]

Michael Gross is still alive though so hopefully he shows up

Congrats!

[fallow fern]

Is eye of kezan worth it in many m+ or is it only raid.. wondering if it will be worth a dinar or not.. 🤔

[lusty grotto]

its worth in m+ but it depends on the dungeon

[warm plinth]

Some dungeons, yes

[fallow fern]

I don't really like swapping out gear for certain content lol.. more of a stick one thing kinda guy..

Looking like house of cards and tome gives a decent balance all round..

[lusty grotto]

sure

bomb suit, HoC, jastor, kezan are the big ones

im just probably not gonna use my dinars which feels bad

except for maybe a jastor

shield isnt even worth it

[fallow fern]

Yea my first will likely be a jastor

[lusty grotto]

cause hero

its barely worth it at myth lol

[fallow fern]

Yea.. CE not in my near future lol

I'll have to look at bomb suit.. hadn't considered that one..

[lusty grotto]

its the best def trinket in the game right now

[mighty valley]

hot take: it wouldn't be good design if we were making offense/defense tradeoff decisions basically every gcd

it's fine if a lot of your time is spent mentally chillin

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[mighty valley]

this is picking up a convo from half an hour or more ago

[lusty grotto]

if the gameplay was more complicated i would agree

but our gameplay just isnt

like i wouldnt want to do that shit on arms for example

where i have to track like 4-5 different things

jugg stacks, OP resets, SD amount, etc

that being said, it also depends on the season's current cognitive load

because even on simple gameplay, outside shit can complicate it, so in a position with massive coggy load then i would agree as well

[solid sun]

When I was younger I took pride in playing things that were difficult, but now life is difficult, so I don’t mind chilling in my games

[lusty grotto]

those are 2 different things though

difficulty is independent on cog load

[solid sun]

The opposite of simple is complicated

[lusty grotto]

of*

[solid sun]

Complicated typically also means more difficult

[lusty grotto]

hmm not necessarily

things can be difficult without being complicated

and vice versa

its mostly because its different things working in parallel

if you wanna see it just one thing, then yes you're right

[solid sun]

I think within the context of WoW, when something is more complicated it’s generally going to be more difficult. That could be complex movement within a boss, a more complicated spec than something else, etc

It may not play out that way 100% of the time, but I’m trying to think of specs I find rather complicated or have historically been more complicated and I think I’ve typically found them to be harder to perform on than simpler specs

[lusty grotto]

lets say you play a ret paladin

[solid sun]

But there’s some amount of subjectivity to that, I suppose. Sometimes specs click better with certain folks over others

[lusty grotto]

would you consider queen ansurek mythic difficult?

as a ret paladin?

its difficult right?

now imagine youre playing a class/spec that has to work overtime on their gameplay

[frigid valley]

Most often than not, the opposite of simple is "stupid".
beacuse if something is convoluted for the sake of being hard then it's a bad design, ergo stupid

[frosty mango]

Difficult is an ambiguous term

Difficult in wow is subjective, it’s a bad descriptor

Complex is the word you are looking for

[solid sun]

I reckon Mythic Queen Ansurek is difficult regardless of the spec I’m playing

[frosty mango]

Complexity can = difficulty but that’s highly subjective

[lusty grotto]

yeah i think roid got what im saying

[fallow fern]

how much better is myth shield over crafted? and those bracers have a socket.. but I could craft a set..

[lusty grotto]

i picked myth shield

on this vault

i got that same one

[frosty mango]

Like mistweaver is far more complex than prot warrior but if you throw a mw main on a prot war and stick them directly into mythic gally - what is more difficult? Is it the more complex spec or the less familiar spec?

[lusty grotto]

shield is much better than a bracer

[fallow fern]

replaced your crafted?

[lusty grotto]

of course

[fallow fern]

cool

[solid sun]

This doesn’t seem like a particularly worthwhile experiment

[fallow fern]

the ring is nice but with crafted and jastor prob not worth

[frosty mango]

It’s meant to illustrate that difficulty is completely subjective dependent on the player and their relative experience

[lusty grotto]

yeah the point is, there's more at play than just one thing

in WoW

so like he said, difficulty is relative

and highly subjective

[frosty mango]

You could replace mw and prot with thane and colossus, same thing.

[solid sun]

This just doesn’t seem all that subjective. Like to a varying degree I suppose, but we see that there are specs designed to be simple so that people will have an easy time picking them up and performing well

BM Hunter or Guardian Druid as examples

They’re intentionally designed to be simple. This inherently makes them easier to perform on

[lusty grotto]

its subjective because some people may be used to tracking a lot of shit vs others

[frosty mango]

Yes but simple (less complex) does not mean less difficult

[solid sun]

But that’s literally the result of the two specs. They’re easier to play

[frosty mango]

In a complete vaccum sure

But we don’t exist there

You stick me on a Druid I will 100% be worse than I am at prot

Just due to hours of muscle memory

[solid sun]

Just because playing guardian Druid on Mythic Queen Ansurek is harder than playing Guardian Druid during a +2 Big Mama doesn’t really change the fact that guardian Druid being simpler also makes it easier

[lusty grotto]

right, but youre picking what you want to focus on in terms of difficulty

not generally

your focus is on bear gameplay

[frosty mango]

You’re not wrong about it being simpler I just don’t agree that in a game like wow that makes it easier

I guess if we had a static definition of “difficulty” then sure we could say that

[mighty valley]

in general i think they deliberately keep the moment to moment decisionmaking importance lower on tanks

since players are terrified of having the responsibility of tanking

[frosty mango]

This convo is way too serious, back to shitposting and answering questions about which talents to drop for disrupting shout

[mighty valley]

so if the bar to being a good tank was both effective routing and positioning AND pressing buttons real good constantly

[solid sun]

I mean, usually I'm entirely on board with difficulty being a poor descriptor.

[mighty valley]

more people would be afraid of it

[lusty grotto]

yeah but tank anxiety is a lot more social in nature

[mighty valley]

but it does mean that people who play tank a long time

[frosty mango]

I got kicked out of a raid today for doing too much dps

[lusty grotto]

generally, not saying that gameplay isnt a factor

[mighty valley]

plateau and want more skill expression

[lusty grotto]

tbf

[solid sun]

It's tough to say Dark Souls is a difficult game when people run that game with no gear and complete hitless runs

[lusty grotto]

i dont consider off-gcd decisions such a huge part of skill expressions

[frosty mango]

That’s literally proving what I say though

[lusty grotto]

banner IS skill expression though

[frosty mango]

“Difficult” is relative

Difficult to me? Yes. To them? No

[solid sun]

This is why I said usually I'm fully on board with difficulty being a poor descriptor

[mighty valley]

i think "do i need offense or do i need defense" asked every 1.5s would be difficult if it truly was a life or death decision

[lusty grotto]

hmm

but its just IP

so it wouldnt be that

[frosty mango]

Play a mm hunter this is a very real decision in high keys

All your defensives are on global and you’re standing there casting aimed all the time - it’s not engaging gameplay

The current design of the game is to do as much dps as possible - not pressing buttons that moves that goal forward feels bad, almost universally

I don’t know how you fix that problem, but imo it is a problem

[mighty valley]

right, that's where the challenge would be with the "offense or defense button off gcd" idea

offense is correct, like, 99% of the time

so you're gonna have to be constantly vigilant for that 1%

[frosty mango]

Yea and that feels bad

Because it feels wrong

Players constantly say they want more agency but every time they add kiss/curse mechanics with real impact players hate it

Players really just wanna dps

Or more accurately they want a quantitative measure of success

If there were a details metric for tank mitigation and a parse for it, players would 100% play to that

[mighty valley]

hmm

[frosty mango]

We are all just primitive monkey brains in the end

[mighty valley]

i dunno that they would because it's not that meaningful for success, right

"not dying" is good enough

and then damage provides speed

[frosty mango]

Does doing a shitload of dps mean success? No usually not - but that doesn’t stop people from focusing on it overwhelmingly

[mighty valley]

you do get to top a meter

and it feels like it's going into your future goals

[lusty grotto]

i dont know if i agree with all this, we have a huge amount of people that come in here and say "sims dont help with defensiveness"

it has been extremely recurring for a very long ass time

of course, they are incorrect, but you can see where they are coming from, they dont consider survival 2nd to offense

[frosty mango]

but at the end of the day on the grand scale of wow I’d imagine those people are far more rare than those who are wholly focused on dps

[lusty grotto]

i suppose there's no real way to know

[frosty mango]

And thus we come full circle, ambiguous

https://tenor.com/view/movie-film-well-then-what-did-we-learn-jk-simmons-gif-241363999726507875

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[undone beacon]

we learned that you should trust your heart and that love always wins!

@lusty grotto Bear vault was trash this week took a socket. This is your weekly bear update. Beardate if you will

[lusty grotto]

lol

[undone beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-exploding-gif-18403884229748594041

[lusty grotto]

now thats a quality gif

[winter kiln]

This is what I got in vault, and this is my current load out. I do not raid on this toon only M+

https://raider.io/characters/us/bonechewer/Embersrage

Trying to decide if Heroic Eye is worth it, or should I go with mythic cloak

[lusty grotto]

pick kezan

and craft yourself a weapon holy

youll get more cloaks later on

[winter kiln]

Been farming mechagon, no luck on drops though...lol

[lusty grotto]

why

just craft it

ilvl > all on weapons

just like ilvl > all on shields

[winter kiln]

any crafted weapon over another?

[lusty grotto]

weapon type doesnt matter

if thats what youre asking

axe, sword, mace it doesnt matter

any is fine as long as its gilded crafted

[round cliff]

2.4 mil overall for a 12 priory

good or bad

[lusty grotto]

uhh

thats not 2.4mil

this is

so yes could be higher, but not a lot

[round cliff]

wtf my details ingame said 2.4

damn

[lusty grotto]

your ok though

my first 12 there i did a lot less

2,019,219 to be precise

[round cliff]

there were some bits where i was permanantly scared of dying so i didnt have shield wall available to juice every demolish

thats prob a bunch of lost dps

[lusty grotto]

i generally dont use wall to buff it

unless there's a damage amp phase

[chilly brook]

Logs do count out of combat time I believe for keys

[lusty grotto]

id rather wait for demo shout tbh

[round cliff]

wym wait for demo shout

hold demolish?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[round cliff]

damn i was taught to never hold demolish

i can try it

[chilly surge]

Hey Prot gang, i looted the Reactive Webbed Escutcheon at hero track, is it any good at same Ilvl compared to a normal shield?

[round cliff]

whats the longest amt u hold for

[lusty grotto]

its a couple of seconds

[lusty grotto]

no

[round cliff]

so ur sending shouted, non-avatar demos?

[lusty grotto]

wdym

avatar is up before demo shout

AM

[round cliff]

right

so ur just always syncing demolish

[lusty grotto]

avatar + demo shout + demolish, yes

[round cliff]

ill try

[lusty grotto]

also i dont send it when pack is about to die

[round cliff]

obvi

[lusty grotto]

unless they have a hefty amount of hp left

[round cliff]

im not THAT dum

[chilly brook]

I send pretty much most things on CD

So yeah

Sometimes

[ionic nimbus]

forgot to set lootspecc to prot ... its an arms wep now..

[frosty mango]

i frequently send demolish without demo

imo doesnt matter if they desync if your intent is to nuke prio targets

[fallow fern]

On CM last boss, is there a reason to break more than 1 flaming barrels at once.. or can you just do them 1 at a time?

[lusty grotto]

it really doesnt matter

as long as they are all down before the transition

[round cliff]

my intent isnt to nuke prios its to beat dps on the meters then complain about it

[frosty mango]

oh then by all means

[sour flicker]

sheesh!!!!

should I be choosing myth track Mud for champ track bombsuit?

[lusty grotto]

uhh

did you buy a gally kill or something

why wouldnt you pick the jastor

[sour flicker]

no, thats a hero track dimond

[lusty grotto]

oh right i forget jastor is uppied

[sour flicker]

simming right now to see if its worth it over myth track rings

[lusty grotto]

make sure you sim it maxed

if its not already i cant remember off-hand ilvls

or actually i do, i just dont wanna do math

[sour flicker]

what about the Mud? 😄

[lusty grotto]

what about it

[sour flicker]

is it worth more than champ track bombsuit?

[lusty grotto]

what key levels do you do

[sour flicker]

13th atm

[lusty grotto]

then no

it has some value in floodgate, but im not convinced on the cdr, seems dogshit

[sharp gale]

I wish I had it so I can check myself

[lusty grotto]

i did 2 floodgates with it after the convo with griff and it didnt really cdr as much

felt like bomb suit would be better all around

also

you have a fucking jastor

the fuck are you thinking about mud for

[sour flicker]

nah, just want to check all the possibilities

as I am still missing myth hands 😄

[sour flicker]

xD sim says mud is better dpswise than jastor

that was unexpected

[lusty grotto]

link the sim

[sour flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oUtWf8dz4tDuHkQeSCFBDX

[lusty grotto]

youre not picking gems

[sour flicker]

youre right!

[lusty grotto]

idk, i wouldnt fucking pick that mud

and a jastor is one less dinar you gotta worry about

[neon elk]

Whats the difference between hero and myth mud ? Cuz u know, one is farmable, migh take like 46 runs or so but still better than once a week with competition

[sour flicker]

simming it once again

[ionic nimbus]

Myth mud is worse than hero bombsuit

[neon elk]

Yea but thats not the debate , wanted to know how big/important difference is between hero and myth one

[neon elk]

Feels like nothing tbf

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[neon elk]

Like 100 versa 1m more shield , idk man if i wanted it i would farm hero one and pick jastor from vault

[lusty grotto]

and use the dinar on a hero bomb suit

yeah

[neon elk]

Yea pretty much

[jagged gust]

97 for key %, pretty gud

[lusty grotto]

will scrolled up

[jagged gust]

not me forgetting to update discord

[neon elk]

But then again, what are u gona use dinars on ? One for bombsuit and next ? Neck perhaps

Can we even get that ?

[lusty grotto]

probably nothing lol

[neon elk]

Hoc if u dont have it

[lusty grotto]

yeah

jastor > bomb suit = hoc > kezan is my thinking

as it stands, at least

[jagged gust]

I'm thinking of prio'ing kezan after jastor for fury trinket viability

[sour flicker]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ehE9v6NT9dyNJ9UVyCzuiT

it is the best, but not by far best tbh

[sick grotto]

Man jastor is so good I got one from normal ages back that sims higher then cyrce and its boosting others

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter dude its a jastor 😉

you only replace it with a myth jastor

[restive oak]

if i'm like a really late ce raider do i just hold my dinars til then? lol

[lusty grotto]

i would

[sick grotto]

The value of jastor is more then what it sims as well because it feeds other stats as well

[restive oak]

i got r1 on stix, pog

[sick grotto]

Sounds good to hold then you have mythic jastor bleeding over into next season

[jagged gust]

I mean, it's outsimming a myth glove slot over heroic vs same ilvl jastor against another ring, that's pretty good

[sharp gale]

I would because YOU WANT eye of kezan for next tier

I got a JUICY guild proposition I’m in big doubts about accepting

Bc if I accept I’m in eternal tank jail + I’m intimidated bc top 100

It feels too big of a jump from my current guild

[lusty grotto]

cyrce's shit still works right?

well i guess im about to find out

[jagged gust]

like the island?

[lusty grotto]

no like the free uppies

gearing an alt

[jagged gust]

ah yeah, heard about a bug that prevented it, no clue if thats been resolved sorry

[sharp gale]

It’s been quite a time I didn’t try it

But it worked on my rogue / a week or 2 before .5

[lusty grotto]

still works

[jagged gust]

hof progging is quite the sweat, whats the commit?

[sharp gale]

It is not HoF progging / it is like pre-nerfs HoF progging, like ansurek kill before the 11th nov that make me doubt, but it’s more the commit to tanking in raid / im still searching what is my main role

[lusty grotto]

youre gonna play all the tanks

thats how it is

and swap to whatever they need

[sharp gale]

I know that, I did it this tier with bdk / prot

[sick grotto]

Oof gott level the dk for the grip

[lusty grotto]

sometimes on a fight by fight basis

[sick grotto]

Man gearing all those toons sounds rough

To have most tanks available

[lusty grotto]

well its not

[sharp gale]

I want a guild like that but it’s the jump from 500-600 to 80 like huuuh

[lusty grotto]

cause between 2 tanks you can take 3 each

[sick grotto]

Still

[jagged pier]

have u checked the guild? a hof guild reaching out for tanks is a bad sign imo

[lusty grotto]

that also

[jagged gust]

Jakey raises a good point

[sharp gale]

They search 2 tanks and 2 heals

[jagged gust]

oh my

[jagged pier]

have u checked how many ppl left recently

sounds like a team implosion

could be a rare case of burnout

[sharp gale]

I need to ask people / or the gm directly

[jagged pier]

i wouldnt ask the gm he will glaze if its bad

[sharp gale]

Idc if he glaze I don’t want him as my gm

If he can’t tell me why people left

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbsup-thumbs-up-ajstyles-wwe-gif-7370543531950963495

[jagged pier]

i mean easiest way is go to wow prog or io and just look at recent joins and leaves

u can kind of tell if its an implosion or not

all im saying is, just be careful

[sharp gale]

Why I see ppl leaving / rejoining / leaving on the same day

https://www.wowprogress.com/guild/eu/hyjal/Mindless

17th April

[jagged pier]

i dunno but based on they are looking for 6 ppl thats not a good sign

[jagged gust]

4 hour raids 5 days a week?

thats some burnout territory for me

[jagged pier]

20 hours a week

shkip from me thats high rank due to time

[sharp gale]

I did 4 x 3 in my current for a month

[ember token]

Thats like old vanilla/tbc style of gaming

[ionic nimbus]

20h is insane…

12h max or you have to be during Progress atleast world100

[sharp gale]

I asked my goated friend, it is french guilds

And i witnessed that with my current

[jagged gust]

they were top 50 voti

[sharp gale]

You always need context for every raid on WHEN

Because if it’s nerf day = they can raid the morning 5 am reset day

And grab 100 ranks

But voti is so far behind I don’t remember when razageth got obliterated by Blizz

[jagged gust]

I popped in to DF in S2 so zero clue

but yeah 5am raid? kind of a neat advantage

[sharp gale]

Like Ansurek / there is a HUGE gap between pre nerf or post 11 November (HoF filled in 1 week lol)

[jagged gust]

"warrior (dd) medium"

Has been making me giggle

[jagged pier]

i mean for me it would be a no, not even on them needing 6 ppl, but on the amount of raids, cant stomach 3 days a week nowadays 2 or shkip

[sharp gale]

I am more siding with the no, I think I will decline, I wanted to heal the next tier anyway / maybe try English guilds

[jagged gust]

oooh what healer caught your eye

[sharp gale]

But not decline bc of 5 days + splits + usual surprise raid mid Saturday and Sunday

I can play that much for 2 month

[jagged gust]

I mean play the way you wanna play

Personally 2 raid days+ one day of chasing vaults is about my limit

(Otherwise my garden would die of neglect)

[jagged pier]

that just seems for so long to me like if your raiding that much u need to be killing it in a few weeks

[sharp gale]

I started rdruid in chill m+ in s1 (I restarted serious wow with TWW), it is fun, I’m still looking for my main and why not try healer

[jagged pier]

not 2 months

[sharp gale]

Yes it is the french guild thing

[jagged pier]

french need to learn how to chill the fuck out

[sharp gale]

That’s why I might try an English one raiding more usual days like 3 x 3

[jagged pier]

3 x 2 is bis

[sharp gale]

I discovered with my current that to get CE you just have to keep pulling the boss 3 times per week and just dodge disbands

[jagged pier]

yes

[jagged gust]

I dream of the day I find a 3x2 early afternoon weekend

[jagged pier]

there will be some out there

[sharp gale]

Or 3x2 yes but thèse CE guilds are either clearing 1 week before next or it is the secret best guild in the world

[jagged pier]

i mean im in one

we dont clear in a week and we arent the best trust me

[jagged gust]

Yeah linc was bragging about it a while ago and it made me jealous lol

Eat some lunch, kill a goblin, go hit the driving range afterwords

[sharp gale]

I think you underrate your team / 2 days raiding is an issue imo for a lot of guilds (bc it makes them do the extend death march into disband)

Or maybe my knowledge about non French guilds is too limited

[ionic nimbus]

Best example is FSY, they are the chads of efficiency

[jagged pier]

i mean they are a clear in a wekk type of guild

[proud cosmos]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/titan’s-grip-for-prot-main-hand/2029626

Just because it would be freaking awesome and allow godly transmogs, lets upvote this folks!

[sharp gale]

I will downvote it bc I play gnome

Thanks for your takes guys btw, I will decline this guild

[jagged pier]

they not even made SMF a tmog thing

they wont do this

[ionic nimbus]

TF is bigger than most of the 2h wep, so if u want a big bonk, mog tf or talon blade

[sick grotto]

What defensive talents are you guys running on fights this tier. Which ones are you bringing spell block or bolster

[jagged pier]

why would u even take bolster?

u have enough sheild block

[sick grotto]

Cause i imagine there is fights when spell block is not value

Well what talent instead of spellblock

[jagged pier]

none because u need to get to punish or jug

[sick grotto]

Ahh k

[jagged pier]

and spell block has a use on every fight

[sick grotto]

alright sweet

ill have a look at logs but assuming thane is the go to?

probs just run execute thane

[jagged pier]

no

colossus

[sick grotto]

ahh yeah looks like colossus is majority still

is it even close dmg wise?

cause there is a couple of thane up there

on some fights

looks like a thane got top log for OAB only it seems

[ionic fern]

Both are fine. Colossus will net you more damage.

It's the preferred tree this season in m+/raids both.

[sick grotto]

yeah im just clutching straws trying to justify thane cause i loved raiding it last season

[jagged pier]

well thats your reason

[sick grotto]

welp i like doing dmg as well quite the predicament

haha

[jagged pier]

your playing a tank if u want to do damage play a dps

[sick grotto]

ahh im just filling for tonight usually fury in raids

[jagged pier]

the biggest factor to your damage this patch is number 1) are u the tank doing all the mechanics or the one doing the afk jobs?
2) did your tier set proc around 30% at the right time

and your tier set can proc less than 10% per fight

[sick grotto]

oof rng

[jagged pier]

yes

u can have a 300k dps swing pull to pull

probably more

[sick grotto]

thats rough

kinda nuts that specs can swing that hard

[jagged pier]

as i said all depends if and when u get tier set procs

[sick grotto]

even if your doing everything perfect or the same

i actually haven't read the tier set this season for prot that is nuts

that proc is huge af

if you got the burst of power thane talent reset during that it has so much potential dmg swing

whats the proc rate on the set bonus?

is it per auto?

[jagged pier]

ppl say its 1 rppm

but u can have 1 proc in a 6 min fight

[sick grotto]

yeah thats rough cause in m+ it pops a fair bit

[jagged pier]

so anywhere from like 5% to 35%

[sick grotto]

mmm

[sharp gale]

Or it can also not proc for the 2 first pulls of cinderbrew

[sick grotto]

my haste is pretty bad this season and dont have any good accessory swaps and won't have 100% shield block uptime would you still run ITF or run the HR for raid fights

[sick grotto]

big oof

[sinful copper]

with 21k haste, do i use haste flask too? or alchemical chaos?

and is it useful to track my luck of the draw procs, or no because it doesnt change our rotation at all besides knowing ill get shield charge soon

[sharp gale]

I engaged the second pull and after 10 seconds I realized I will drop SB, I didn’t have it for 1-2 sec, my hp didn’t move but I had the bsv debuff

[sick grotto]

haha

time to pop IV or last stand

[sharp gale]

Ahah I think you just instantly die no matter last stand or IV

[jagged pier]

U should never use haste flask always chaos but more stats> then less better better stats

[sinful copper]

i dont understand how to increase my shield block uptime. it's always 70-75% in keys and i shield charge on cd and i try to use shield block charges before they hit 2. is there another thing im missing?

[sick grotto]

oh yeah for sure, melt without sb. i mean once bsv pops like to pretend im a bdk or vdh temporarily and don't need a healer.

just proc your tier set next time and your good

no bsv required

[jagged pier]

Cant tell without logs, but very likely u arent pressing your buttons enough

[sharp gale]

Yeah it was early in the season / now I have 20 k haste to secure this eventual issue

[heavy sparrow]

To relate to this and to look for your area of improvement, I have a nasty habit I need to get rid of and it is overlapping my shield block and shield charge or my shield wall and spell block

[sinful copper]

why would shield block and shield charge overlap matter? it extends

[heavy sparrow]

Shield charge and then shield block make me feel like I waste

[sinful copper]

but why?

doesnt waste anything

[heavy sparrow]

Or shield block and shockwave cause faster diminishing returns

[sharp gale]

You don’t waste anything except if the pack dies just after you do that ofc

[sick grotto]

i mean it depends where you are in the pull if its the start of the pull it gets the shield block cd rolling

[sinful copper]

maybe im pressing ignore pain too much. i have a WA that alerts me when i dont have ignore pain and above 50 rage.... or if in general if im at 80 rage. should i turn that off? do i not want to press it too often?

[sick grotto]

its normal to shield charge and shield block at the start of a pull

only press when your gonna overcap

[sinful copper]

so if i odnt have ignore pain, and not overcapping, then dont even bother?

i thought i wanted at least one application of it if possible

[sharp gale]

If you are colossus shockwave is a bump, if you are the only dude with displacement, your shockwave will always mass stop

[sick grotto]

na your overthinking it and i used to as well just press when your going to overcap you dont want to starve your rage because you think you need to press IP

[sinful copper]

because brutal vitality talent doesnt give me ignore pain, it just adds to it if i have one... so if i dont press it, then it's a wasted talent

so should i change my WA to just alert me to press IP when im at 85+ rage?

[sharp gale]

Rage starving is worst than no IP

[jagged gust]

Well sometimes the rage you would spend on IP to prevent it from dropping is also the rage you needed to proc another SS, but now you're sitting there for 4 seconds straight waiting for TC to come off CD

[sick grotto]

again overthinking it there will be scenarios where your ip will be up and that talent will work

ip uptime doesnt really matter and will look worse depending on the dungeon and key level

[sinful copper]

oooooooh. dude thats why my uptime is so low i think. i was pressing it way too often

[sick grotto]

yep

[sinful copper]

i have 183 casts of IP in a 28 min dungeon or something

[jagged gust]

If it drops, feel free to throw out a SW mid pull, feel safe

[sinful copper]

unless details isnt accurate for that

[sick grotto]

honestly the only time i consider pressing early if my IP is going to fall off and im close enough to a good rage range

otherwise sticking to the overcap rule is very good

[jagged gust]

its usually not life or death so long as your uptime is generally good, your healer hasn't had to heal you for 5 minutes, it's time for them to step up to bat

[sick grotto]

yep and usually you will have Shield walls or even BSV to cover it

[sinful copper]

im looking at a high key log and the prot warrior has more revenge, shield slam, and ignore pain casts by a large margin

[sick grotto]

if your playing well you will be naturally tanky

[sharp gale]

I have 250 IP in my ML 14 idk 28 min

[sick grotto]

cause he is probably generating more rage then you because you are starving

[jagged gust]

proper rotation leads to more SSs leads to more rage leads to more revenges

[sinful copper]

250 IP? i did ML 12 and i did....

395 revenge, 300 SS, 258 thunder clap, and 183 IP

[sharp gale]

250, and i do have time i just don’t have IP at all for few gcd

[vestal ruin]

guys is it better to open vault as prot or as another spec?

[sick grotto]

depends on what you need and what you want

like i main fury and opened as prot this week because my 2h are sorted and trinkets arent bad so i opened as prot

[sinful copper]

so i prioritize main defensives if i need to survive a tank buster.... then shield block > shield charge procs > shield slam and resets > thunderclap > major dps cooldowns > revenge - is that right?

[sick grotto]

cause i wouldnt mind a myth 1h or shield for dungeons

[wicked pollen]

jakey remember when i first posted log of me playing prot

i was handless

[vestal ruin]

so the way to look at it is by checking drop tables from dungeons for the specs to see what i want guess?

[sick grotto]

yep

just double check trinkets cause they can be finicky with tank specs

[jagged pier]

nope but i wouldnt be suprised its always the same

[jagged gust]

My first message was something along the lines of "I know how to use my defensives, I just press shield wall when SB falls off"

[sharp gale]

You answer the tankbuster with an anti-tankbuster (a def cd) like a healer send a heal cd for a group wide damage

[sinful copper]

does shield block get cd reduction or resets from anything?

[sharp gale]

Haste

[sinful copper]

(not running the talent for SS to extend shield block)

[wicked pollen]

@jagged pier

[sharp gale]

And shield charge gives you block with champion bulwark talent

(And Heavy repercussions is Heavy repercussions)

[sinful copper]

ty, changing how i think about IP casts will help me so much. appreciate it

[sick grotto]

you will be tanky boy and beating the bad dps

[zealous dagger]

Hello gentleman, can i ask for help? Which one should i choose? Iam thinking about the weapon but not sure..

[remote anchor]

sorry but i cant see shit on that picture

if you dont have mythic weapon and that is mythic

sure take it

[orchid mural]

more importantly, why is rend bound 😄 🙂

[lofty warren]

How can dh use the hunt on last boss workshop

[lucid mica]

Not being in the middle

[lucid mica]

Are there any dungeons where you need intimidating shout? Id like to know if i ever use fight through the flames and int shout

[solid sun]

I've never heard of anyone using fight through the flames this season

[jagged pier]

u can use it as thane

cause u dont really care about revenge

and int shout can be used in any dungeon where there arent undead mobs

[solid sun]

I think more people use Disruptive Shout instead of int shout, but there are some talents in that tree that some people don't use like rallying cry or intervene and you can talent into it over one of those two

[lucid mica]

Perfect thank you both!

[lilac widget]

is there any way to stop any cloak i choose to wear from horrendously clipping with EVERY shield and 2h wep

(without not mogging a cape obviously) 😦

[jagged pier]

nope

[inner belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/frankt-gif-23053344

[lilac widget]

you'd think they could just make it stick closer to your back or something

in 2025

[lofty warren]

Twigglifht dev best corruption come next patch?

[strong forum]

not even close

[lofty warren]

Rip. Is it the boring one that gives Haste proc?

[strong forum]

🙂

not just a haste proc tho

its all stats

[lofty warren]

Lame

How to use the hunt and felt rush as dh on workshop last boss? I keep falling off

[strong forum]

34

[lofty warren]

Who

[strong forum]

frank

[lofty warren]

When i do warrior charge I don't fall off map in workshop

[strong forum]

charge puts you infront of the mob

hunt puts you inside of it or w/e

[neon elk]

Wasnt you asking this exact question like yesterday or am i triping ?

[charred basin]

use it at an angle, imagine a cone infront of the boss, never stand in the middle

hitbox is huge, you'll be fine

[round pendant]

so sad

[lofty warren]

So it works if you stand in a specific spot?

[round pendant]

Already got crafted shield so this feels like whatever

[prime sphinx]

seen it asked here like 5 times in 24 hours, think they got dementia

[frosty mango]

Guys am I doing it right

[round pendant]

seems about right

[frosty mango]

Farming interrupts on affix, gotta pad somewhere

[unborn island]

Average priory pug

[frosty mango]

Nailed it

[unborn island]

My personal best is 51

70 is big league

[round pendant]

imagine next season if they brought back CCs being interrupts

I'm so tired of using all my CCs and kick and people still not kicking the casts and some poor guy gets double fireballed

Shamans not using cap totem

😔

[frosty mango]

Ime it’s always priests

Those sobs do not fear or dom

ever

Or non ropping monks

[round pendant]

in my last key it was a warlock

died 4 times before first boss

and did shit damage on every pull

needless to say I gave up

[frosty mango]

I dunno shadow fury having a cast time is doodoo I support warlocks not using it

[round pendant]

1.5s vs 15s + runback + no dps for dying

[frosty mango]

Prob had burning rush on the entire key

[round pendant]

🤔

[woeful trellis]

So 1 cast over grp feeling safe and can do rota:/ mhh

[frosty mango]

You gotta add more context there chief

[woeful trellis]

You Said, you Support Locks not using it.

[frosty mango]

Oh yes, I was memeing

[woeful trellis]

Ahh mb

[round pendant]

honestly I'd be happy if they just made stuns last a bit longer

[frosty mango]

But seriously, the cast time on it feels terrible

[round pendant]

but they should make them interrupt again imo

My friend still hasn't gotten chest or legs drop all season btw

removing the free tier piece at 2000 rio was a fucking joke

instead you get a catalyst.. which requires getting an item worth using it on

thanks blizz

[woeful trellis]

Or give us a chance, that a stun interrupt 🙈 they love rng 😂

[wanton mantle]

i might be dumb, but can someone explain to me ITF/HR when its one better than the other, when is haste good enough to keep Shield block uptime, etc?, i currently have this amount of haste/sb cooldown

34% haste, thats without ITF stacks.

[strong forum]

16k is good enough to run ITF

18k is recommended

so youre fine

HR you run when you have less haste than that

[wanton mantle]

what about that 4s downtime between SB duration and the cooldown?, how is the 100% uptime maintaned (maybe i'm just dumb and there is something i'm not seeing)

[frosty mango]

Shield charge

Also take into account time between packs for m+

For raid there will be large swaths of time where you are not actively tanking

[unborn island]

Haste also reduces that downtime, as that 12s is reduced by haste

It's very hard to get it to 0 (I did the maths a while back without DR, but idk if it's even possible with DR).

But with shield charge 100% is doable, especially with combat breaks like roidberg said

[strong forum]

youd need 67% haste perma for true 100% uptime

[frosty mango]

If you press your buttons with any intelligent intent it is pretty easy to maintain 97% ish uptime

[unborn island]

Yeah, I remember thinking something along the lines of ' this will work with lust, but otherwise no dice'

[strong forum]

and 100% haste for true SB uptime without shield charge

[unborn island]

I'd imagine 67% base haste is impossible even with ITF because of DR

[frosty mango]

Tbh just get 150k mastery and call it a day

[strong forum]

with just gear, yeah

[frosty mango]

Or whatever ridiculous amount of mastery we’d need after Dr to get to 100% static block

[silk holly]

anyone have any clue what I should do with embellishments if I want to both DPS and tank?

got shield, wrist, boots, and 2-h sparked items

[small steeple]

Arms or fury? Arms likes crit so Dawnthread is good I think

[silk holly]

arms

just doubling down on dawnthread then you think?

[small steeple]

Yea, I think Dawn is the crit one. Embelishments are pretty minor in the grandscheme of things

[silk holly]

any1 know what happens if say i got duskthread on shield and boots, and then writhing armor band on wrists and ascension on 2h?

does that work or will it bug out if i got Arms and it sees 3 embellishments?

[small steeple]

well that is 3 as Arms. Boots, wrist, and weapon

[silk holly]

never testewd that out

what happens?

does it just null 1 of them? or wont let you equip?

[small steeple]

You can't have 3 embelishments equiped, it just won't let you put it on

[silk holly]

ah makes sense

[heavy sparrow]

Fully buffed highest I got was 57% no affixes

[hardy grove]

How useful is mastery for prot ?

[heavy sparrow]

I found my survivability to be better in season 1 of TWW when I got back into the game

The higher it was