protection

[lusty grotto]

OH SHIT LMAO

i just noticed

rofllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

[sharp gale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/933386399279878154/1347570769441329202/watermark.gif

[lusty grotto]

this mfer went flying HAHHAA

[frosty mango]

I had a dude in my dfc get hit by the axe and blown into a other room

Yes, exactly that lol

[round pendant]

This happened to my friend

There was a candle right on the edge and he was nervous to jump around

got launched to narnia

[lusty grotto]

this is a quality gif

[lucid mica]

Chat i have a quick question sorry to interrupt, i got the mechagon on use bracers and i had never seen them, they are hero track over the last ones that was champion track, do i use them or them not having stats make them worse even with more main stat?

[round pendant]

They're doodoo

[lusty grotto]

yes they are dogshit

[frosty mango]

You can sim but they are always shit usually

[round pendant]

also can't even macro their on-use

or at least no matter what I tried it just bricked the button they were on

lmao

[sharp gale]

I had them at the start of the season I COulDn’t MZCrO them

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-pepe-think-pepe-the-frog-wojak-gif-13571840648507225174

[lucid mica]

Aight thank you!

[sharp gale]

I did macro them with my death strike = start a rookery 10, can’t death strike on the first pack

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

yep

happened to me with my shield slam

had to open my spellbook mid pack and get my real shield slam out

[sharp gale]

It is fun to open spell book or mdt mid pack

[lusty grotto]

tell me about it

my binds bug out when swapping roles randomly

i have to fucking rebind everything while in combat

[sharp gale]

It happened to me last season, I spec prot before the key, start, I realize I have fury buttons on my bars

[lusty grotto]

yeah something similar to that

this season it has been happening a fucking lot

last season, i dont really remember it happening i dont think it did

[frosty mango]

Has happened to me a lot

[sharp gale]

For this season I just had screen resolution changing in top idk why

[frosty mango]

Espec when changing specs inside a dungeon before the key starts

[lusty grotto]

its happened to me in keys, and its happened to me going into raid as well

Luerce was in the key it happened to me

or keys

[round pendant]

I've never had that happen since I stopped using the "use shared action bars" option on talent trees

if it's what I'm thinking it is

also I use bartender maybe that has something to do with it

[unborn island]

They are very helpful in Priory

definitely a bit of a necro, my bad, convo has moved on

[round pendant]

I mean yeah they got some perks but I'd rather take shammy

skyfury op

[sharp gale]

Evoker can dispel bleeds

[round pendant]

that's true

Shame none of my friends want to play devoker cause it's boring as hell

[sharp gale]

But they never do

[round pendant]

yeah

lmao

I think I can count the number of times a pugger dps has dispelled/etc someone other than themselves on one hand

[sharp gale]

Don’t tell me, I’m playing my rogue since a week, I can’t dispell myself the affix sometime I have to cloak

[solid sun]

ML first boss, do yall just kinda move him around the arena for his vacuum?

Or do you put him in a cubby on the edge and then move for the vacuum and then put him back in there

I saw a vdh do the cubby Strat, but I’ve always just kinda moved around the edge as needed

[lusty grotto]

why do you need to optimize that boss

i dont

ive done it the same way ive done it since bFA

[round pendant]

I just put him wherever and move him away from the coins after the bombs get kicked

[solid sun]

Well I’m mostly asking because sometimes I pug so if there’s a strat people are comfy with that I’m not doing I’ll change it up

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea what the cubby strat is

[round pendant]

I think where you drag the boss next to the building

[lusty grotto]

i just dont see any reason to do it

[round pendant]

so most of the footballs end up close by

[solid sun]

Yeah basically that

Do y’all use the safe zone on the last boss or move away from the helicopters

In pugs I find utilizing the safe spot proves often unsafe for the pugs

[lusty grotto]

i use the safe zone

not all of them, just the one

the good ole faithful

ole reliable

but honestly its not needed

[round pendant]

Make sure as the tank you point the boss away from the safezone

that prevents the overlap with missiles + gatling gun

but thing is people panic when they don't have to

the gatling gun doesn't hurt much you can literally just defensive and run through it (within the safe zone)

[solid sun]

It’s usually when helicopters set up right next to the safe zone because those circles pop almost immediately

Finally tried ass rogue out in some baby keys last night

It’s pretty fun.

Idk a ton about what I’m doing just yet, but I’m surprised I don’t see more of them because it seems way more fun than some of the other dps specs I’ve tried

[sharp gale]

I use it and don’t, depends on the group IQ

But I use only one safe spot, the same as in bfa

[frosty mango]

Safe zone is bis

I also explain at the start of the key

That I am using it and if anyone is not familiar

[frosty mango]

I try to explain this to people, literally just run directly through the boss with a defensive, you will be fine. Do not try to outrun or run through. People are bad at understanding how circles and angles work

[tranquil sluice]

as I understand it, taunt will also increase the amount of that's abilities do for its duration. do we know by how much?

[round pendant]

the amount of threat?

[lusty grotto]

400% more threat

[frosty mango]

400% 3s I think?

[tranquil sluice]

awesome thank you!

[lusty grotto]

[frosty mango]

I think bonus threat is only 3s but I could be wrong

Give me shirk please

[lusty grotto]

its as long as taunt is up as a debuff

so yes 3s

roughly 2 gcds

or 3

depending on haste

[frosty mango]

Or one fat demolish and shield slam

[chilly brook]

it makes it super clean

you drop coins in the same spot every time, melee doesn't lose uptime

and then you drag him towards middle after coins drop

[lusty grotto]

if no uptime is lost then ill look into it

[chilly brook]

https://youtu.be/7talVYqZN-U?si=ffRdu9tSnZejkgaZ&t=249

not sure why Tjuan starts off at a different spot but he goes to the cubby for the rest of the fight

[lucid mica]

But as vdh you have an spot where no one has to press any ball and you can do them all, not sure as other tanks but that seems better for me than making people do the mechanic, i get that you maybe cant do as prot?? so that spot makes it

[chilly brook]

literally never seen/heard of that

[lucid mica]

I did it yesterday but i dont have video, all coins and balls appear stacked under the boss, you use the interact button to use balls behind the boss and then move it awaay for magnet, repeat

[nocturne spindle]

you ahve to like

jump onto the pipe

i dont think other tanks can do it

[lucid mica]

Nah you do with double jump->boss push->vengeful retreat, but yes i dont think so

[chilly brook]

sounds pretty cancer lol

[solid sun]

It’s cool that venge can do neat things

It’s nice to give them something since playing the spec is cancer all on its own

[lusty grotto]

good thing we're not talking about vdh here

cause this is skyhold not fel uwu hammer

[solid sun]

True. Heck them suckas

[nocturne spindle]

fuck vdh

gimme lust

[muted wadi]

is there an addon that helps with learning dungeon routes? something like mdt but actually showing you which packs to take?

[lusty grotto]

basic routes in raider.io

[ruby musk]

You can look up routes that people have made using Keystone Guru

[lusty grotto]

but no, there's no addon like that

[muted wadi]

oh okay thank you

[lusty grotto]

but yeah you can use even more basic routes in keystone.guru

https://keystone.guru/routes/tww

[round pendant]

anyone know if you have resilient 13s

and delevel and brick a 12

does it stay 12?

[nocturne spindle]

yea

[round pendant]

cause I know if you go 12->11 and brick it, it goes down

[nocturne spindle]

check the text on it

actually itll say resilient 13 wont it

but it should stay 12 even if you brick

[round pendant]

idk I don't have 13s yet lmao

[lucid mica]

No it doesnt stay

You cant deplete 13 to 12 if its resil 13 but if you downgrade it to 10 you can deplete 10 to 9

[lusty grotto]

thats.... not what he asked

and he knows about the last case

[lucid mica]

yes i think? i may not being understanding it well

[dusky canopy]

to my knowledge if your key is below your resilliant level it just stays where you derank it too unless you re time it

[lusty grotto]

its a simple as, if it you have resilient, it'll be resilient

except under 12s

thats it

[lucid mica]

oh does it stop in 12s i didnt know lol, i thought the limit was specifically the number it said, not all above 12

[dense remnant]

wish there was an easy way to account bound get it so that it doesnt decay under 10

[round pendant]

yeah basically wanted to know if a resi 13 becomes a resi 12 when you manually downgrade

I got me answer tho

ty

[solid sun]

Well what about a resi 14 to a resi 13

[lofty warren]

Is the head enchant available now?

[solid sun]

No

I believe that portion of the patch is like… May 20th?

[lofty warren]

Then what is this

https://www.wowhead.com/news/quickly-getting-to-the-nightfall-scenario-with-any-character-376557

[lusty grotto]

catch up gear rep

[solid sun]

Thats some world content in Hallowfall for ^

[lusty grotto]

good for gearing alts, 1 champ piece a week

[lofty warren]

Ohh useless stuff got ti

[solid sun]

Some of the tmog stuff is nice

If you like purple or black and white

[lofty warren]

Best m+ tank 11.2? That would be good to know to start gearing alt

[lusty grotto]

better yet

"Best m+ tank midnight?"

[nocturne spindle]

vdh or prot pally

[lusty grotto]

hell, what will be the best tank in the last titan!

[nocturne spindle]

dont lie to yourself

[lofty warren]

Pwar not making a come back? 😦

[lusty grotto]

no

we're dead forever

🫡

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, we dead till next expansion s1, first two weeks

This is da way of the warrior

[lusty grotto]

meta tank in BFA classic though, so you can look forward to that 🙂

[lofty warren]

I've been doing vdh and it's fine but having some aggro issues

[sharp gale]

Meta tank will be decided by tier lists

And after 4 weeks real meta will appear

[lofty warren]

Pwar might have been top tier list if it didn't get nerfed in 11.1

[rough nest]

I'm doing a zero to hero on bm due to half my m+ team away for a few days. Every brew is macroed with a thunder ale.

[round pendant]

holy, 1 piece a week!

Surprised they could spare that much

truly generous

[lofty warren]

Fadter to get gear in delves to start

[lusty grotto]

the answer is no, dont macro anything

except for thunder ale

that one is fine 😉

[rough nest]

It's interesting and lore consistent

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[rough nest]

I'm documenting the progress with a YouTube channel and excel spreadsheet with number of ales drank per run.

[lusty grotto]

[rough nest]

175 is pretty fun, got stunned a few times but don't know if it was the mobs or the alcohol consumption.

[sharp gale]

Is there still the puke animation

[rough nest]

I'm not getting stunned on the war

[chilly brook]

what are you talking about?

I don't have these mechanics on my brewmaster

[rough nest]

You're not invested enough

[lusty grotto]

clearly uncultured

[rough nest]

Yeah think the puke is still there, that must be what was stunning me

Will be fun in higher keys

[lusty grotto]

seriously

[rough nest]

Of course

[lusty grotto]

and stopping the meme for a moment

#promotion

thats where you post that

also its brew content

[rough nest]

Ah

[lusty grotto]

its not lost on me that youre promoting

now carry on

[chilly brook]

that audio is so cooked

[rough nest]

Can you remove it ?

[chilly brook]

like why is your audio so muffled

and distorted

[rough nest]

Here, removed

Yeah don't know why audio is bad, shadowplay issues maybe.

[lofty warren]

Dps queue using lfg dungeon queue doable or are the wait times too long? Tank queues are instant

[rough nest]

While leveling ?

[lofty warren]

Ye

[solid sun]

They’re fine. Pick some herbs or do WQ’s between queue pops

[rough nest]

Few minutes wait

[lusty grotto]

dont worry about it, just a heads up, you could have left it up should be fine just dont do it a lot

can also post in promotion and link to the message here, if you want

[rough nest]

Yeah maybe later down the road, it was just for the meme

Now I know why I got stunned tho

[round pendant]

🤔

[cerulean tusk]

Bladestorm prot back?

[nocturne spindle]

the parse hero talent

[fiery wren]

why is it bad for mobs to hit you in the back as a prot warrior?

[round pendant]

cause you can't block

[pallid quiver]

You can't block

[cerulean tusk]

Is that a serious question?

[dusky canopy]

ask yourself how a shield works?

[pallid quiver]

You also can't dodge or parry from behind, but that's less important as prot war specifically

[cerulean tusk]

Btw, it is bad for all tanks, just extra bad for warrior

[fiery wren]

I see

[inner belfry]

Just strap a shield to your back bro

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine if we could

[pallid quiver]

that's what armor is tho

[fiery wren]

sheath your shield and start backtanking

[pallid quiver]

smh blizz cheating us

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, we want 100% shieldblock from behind, wearing a towershield

[inner belfry]

double shield build when?

Elden Ring prot warrior build

[round pendant]

what if

talent that gives you 360 block

but you can't dodge anymore

[nocturne spindle]

id take it

ultimate meme gathering tool

[round pendant]

it'd be super nice for some big gathers yeah

[cerulean tusk]

Cant dodge... that is my nelf passive?!

No take deal!

[nocturne spindle]

it would probably be a decent dungeon dependant talent

opt in on like floodgate

[round pendant]

priory too

[nocturne spindle]

maybe?

priory has big pulls

but i feel like alot of them are stuff runs towards you

[round pendant]

the shooter guys shooting you in the ass hurts

so it'd just make it a bit comfier

[kind urchin]

We were the only viable tank in vanilla so we must pay for that transgression for all eternity.

[jagged pier]

well thats wrong

because there were druid and paladin tanks in classic

at like the top end

[lofty warren]

In bfa pwar was good too but that was like a long time ago

[cerulean tusk]

Perma root clap

[round pendant]

wait.. what

you can build Seeing Red up even past 100?

[tender zealot]

country roads take me home

[round pendant]

Since when could you build up towards your next outburst while having outburst active

has it always been like that??

I literally never noticed

[lusty grotto]

pretty sure its been that way for a while

the problem is you never see it cause everything that generates rage outside of big cds consumes outburst

[round pendant]

yeah I only realised when I decided I wanna make my own bar instead of stealing nome's

[rocky crest]

what's with these +16 groups saying "tips welcomed" fill me in here plz ELI5

[small steeple]

Always been like that. Even when it was just a tierset in SL. It would just waste one if you generate/consume enough to get it again

[round pendant]

It's just weird cause I've never noticed having any stacks towards the next one after spending

but yeah neat

[lucid mica]

Do we not press smth in single target and only press above certain threshold? Like troar or any other spell, or every rotational spell is rotational in every situation?

Up to now for me it has seemed the latter but i doubt with troar

[round pendant]

you send toar on CD regardless of targets

[lucid mica]

Cool thanks!

[round pendant]

the only aoe consideration you make is with thunder blast

Violent Outburst Thunder Blast on 3+ targets > Shield Slam

[lucid mica]

🫡

[unborn island]

You mean this
https://youtu.be/_A7UZFzsrn8?si=_8qIJaMBTVila-Vl

[inner belfry]

That’s exactly what I was thinking, I want to be an immovable object

I mean, we’re already shield slamming

[unborn island]

Can you imagine doing M+?

"WHY TF IS THE TANK RP WALKING EVERYWHERE"

[pallid quiver]

They'll stop talking that shit when you RP walk your way into the entire instance's trash and a boss and walk that shit off

[nocturne spindle]

lmao

rp walking except leap and charge

that would be hilarous

[warm plinth]

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=19321/the-immovable-object

[pallid quiver]

"ilvl 65"
"Immovable Object"

sounds like a very movable object to me

[tribal wharf]

i cant wait for mdi for just the fails that will happen on the candle mechanic of that one dungeon

[warm plinth]

Put some respec on the name

[tribal wharf]

ran it like 300 times on paladin for trinket for mount, usually had trouble on that boss often

[elder mesa]

any tips on bandit me and the other tank keep ripping aggro from eachother

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dJZ1nC7PKT3LDfRh?type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1

[lusty grotto]

i guess my question would be why is he not Fel Scarred

Aldrachi shouldnt be too far down

but

youre spiking really high in comparison

in damage

damage = threat

that compounded by high roller

cause cause a lot of issues

he definitely is keeping high roller way more than you, but youre still doing more damage than him, so that explains the back and forth

and bursting higher

this alone should be an agro rip

on wipe 10

i dont have a definitive answer

you are both making mistakes

hes doing garbage ass dps

and your uptime on high roller isnt as high as his

that's basically what i can take away from this log

at least specifically concerning threat

maybe someone else sees something im not seeing

[compact warren]

Shield charge bugged for anybody?

[lusty grotto]

how

[lusty grotto]

is there any specific wipe you remember having a lot of issues?

[lusty grotto]

bugged how?

if youre using it to charge (which you shouldn't) elevation makes it stop

that has been a thing since DF

but most of us dont use it to gap close

we use it point blank

[lusty grotto]

btw this isnt accurate, you were padding on adds

forgot to set it to 1ab as target

[elder mesa]

nah been here and there

[lusty grotto]

ok next time it happens

[elder mesa]

some pulls i rip aggro

[lusty grotto]

take note of when it did

[elder mesa]

and sometimes he does

[lusty grotto]

its kinda hard scanning a whole log

without knowing where it happened

[elder mesa]

ive just been stopping execute on tarageting the assistants

only when they really need to die i swap to execute

[lusty grotto]

is it on the assistants that youre losing agro?

i mean they technically shouldn't matter agro wise

so no need to stop execute on them

[elder mesa]

its been like right before big hit

he gains aggro

but it hasn't happened for some pulls

i ripped aggro last pull before the big hit but he taunted in time

[lusty grotto]

last pull?

let me check

[elder mesa]

one before last

[lusty grotto]

#26 yeah?

this one?

also is it only you ripping agro?

oh you did mention he gains agro before big hit

hes panic taunting

[elder mesa]

its basically happening same with eachother

[lusty grotto]

nono

youre ripping

[elder mesa]

i sometimes gain aggro right before his big hit

[lusty grotto]

and hes panic taunting

i just saw it happen on wipe 10

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dJZ1nC7PKT3LDfRh?fight=10&view=replay&position=5753

he needs to stop doing garbage dps

so you dont rip as easily

and so he stops panic taunting

youre doing around 120k more dps than him on the boss alone

AND he has a myth weapon, vs your crafted

so gear is no excuse

[elder mesa]

hmm

also i was thinking of either crafting a ring or wrist

[lusty grotto]

at this point either is fine

[elder mesa]

not a fan on running 658 ring ngl

i just need to get the gilded 😦

guess im doing weeklies again

[lusty grotto]

the upgrade bag shouldn't be locked behind the gilded achievement

idk why it is tbh

i.e. so you can convert runed into gilded

🤷‍♂️ but blizzard is blizzard

[elder mesa]

i have the achi

[lusty grotto]

Gilded of the Undermine?

you need every item slot at 675 for it, i thought

more or less, i guess

[jagged gust]

For converting runed to gilded?

[lusty grotto]

nah im asking if he has the achieve

cause i know for a fact the upgrade conversion only unlocks after

so that he doesnt have to do "weeklies"

oh im wrong, when was this changed

i guess it unlocks with the runed achieve?

[jagged gust]

Ye

So 658? I thiiink

[lusty grotto]

just convert your runed away my friend

15 gilded for 45 runed 🙂

[jagged gust]

Still weekly cap tho, I'm saving money up for once the cap is released and they raised max ilvl

[lusty grotto]

yeah i guess, i dont really care since im swimming in runed

but i also dont buy those

since its plenty easy to cap gilded

[elder mesa]

ah no

[elder mesa]

i have so i can turn runed into gildeds

[lusty grotto]

ye

just do that

[elder mesa]

but i need to farm out my runeds

and gildeds

[lusty grotto]

ah

i see

[elder mesa]

i am dry

can get 10 myth track upgrades worth

dont check last pull btw

deffo didnt die to big hit

i didnt have either shield wall nor last stand up

[frigid valley]

any major benefit of thunder roar in m+ as colossus or can i run spear if i'd prefer?

[elder mesa]

think its about the same overall

its just wether u want 45s burt or 1.5min burst

[lusty grotto]

you run troar to gather packs

[elder mesa]

if i read wowhead right

[lusty grotto]

as colossus

thats the benefit

its good for gathering and pulling

if you dont have issues with it, you can run spear

spear is more dps

[frigid valley]

cool ty

[lusty grotto]

troar is better to set up pulls

thats it

[elder mesa]

i just run troar and thane

for my keys

so easy ot just thunderclap ignore pain spam

when just doing my weeklies

[frigid valley]

between chall shout, shield charge and rav i dont feel i have to much of an issue

[lusty grotto]

just run spear as thane

thane doesnt have problems setting up pulls

TB + Crackling is enough

[nocturne spindle]

thane just runs around clapping its booty cheeks

doesnt even press the button

its all in the cheeks

[lucid mica]

Indomitable and demo shout cd are worth over punish and alacrity or this is not the play? I mean i dont think it is but worth asking ig
Also when do we run fight through the flames over best served cold? Thank you

(this is not my talents)

[elder mesa]

btw for keys

on wowhead i do not see a build for the aoe kick

[lusty grotto]

no

not having punish is trolling

as if indom is better than a DR

[lusty grotto]

if youre thane, drop Instigate for it

if youre colossus, you drop SoF for it

[lusty grotto]

different people

[cerulean tusk]

They not rat or cat, all humans look the same

[lusty grotto]

im answering Drimbrez

well youre not wrong lol

[elder mesa]

HMM

im a rat

[cerulean tusk]

Caught lying in 4k

[nocturne spindle]

the real best talent tree no questions please

[cerulean tusk]

You didnt take SD or Jugg?

Smh

not bestest

8/10, try again

[lusty grotto]

no ravager = bad

worstest talent tree

[cerulean tusk]

Ravager is optional Nome said so

[lusty grotto]

everything is optional

[cerulean tusk]

You aint optional in my life

[lusty grotto]

but ravager makes us revenge spam happy

[lusty grotto]

[nocturne spindle]

no ravager cause duh

[lusty grotto]

ok then

ill allow it

[nocturne spindle]

the real best talent build

[lusty grotto]

[candid yacht]

this maybe a dumb question lol so crucify me if needed... but does anyone have a list or bot command to list the spells on and off GCD?

[lusty grotto]

no bot commands

avatar, wall, ip are off gcd

thats it

taunt/challenging/disrupting as well i guess

[candid yacht]

pummel as well correct

[lusty grotto]

just hit clap and notice what goes on gcd

[candid yacht]

ayeee thats thinking your head right there!

[lusty grotto]

here you go

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[elder mesa]

@lusty grotto do you have any pointers on my rotation?

what can i do to improve my dps

i think im doing fairly ok

[lusty grotto]

uhh

seems ok

[elder mesa]

but as i did on dk i got 95 parses and ppl get mad cuz i waste rp or some shit

[lusty grotto]

hmm

youre execute build

so execute should be #2 on the breakdown

i suppose youre not watching jugg stacks

i wouldnt be execute build for prog btw

go for a punish build

[nocturne spindle]

you hold demolish on your opener for a long time as well

not a big deal but i dont think you held it to cleave the add just held it

[lusty grotto]

yeah theres a lot of small things you can do

im thinking he holds so he doesnt rip

but he should hold it a little bit at least for high roller

youre also overcapping rage a lot

and rage starving a lot

press IP when youre almost capped

dont rage starve yourself

always be between 30 and 70 rage

you blocked big hit 100% but

the rest of your uptime is kinda eh

at least in this wipe im looking at

also

everything is blockable or spell blockable

you didnt use spell block at all in wipe 10

not that it matters, just a minor nitpick

[undone beacon]

Yeah it uhhh looks like you didnt cast ironfur at all?

Kinda weird ngl

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/thisistheonedude123-bears-gif-18779976

[undone beacon]

I can't wait for chips so I can buy a bombsuit on my bear and not have to step foot back into raid :3

The spec has genuinely grown on me a ton and I don't know how to feel about that

Like, for push keys I'm always back on the warr (esp since Arms is so much nicer to play than Feral), but its nice to just thrash sometimes

Speaking of push keys, if I brick another fucking rookery because some braindead dps stands on the onning and starts blasting before I have gathered, I'm gonna go apoplectic

[lusty grotto]

remember to burn rage

but not rage starve 🙂

[undone beacon]

truer words have never been spoken

[fiery wren]

is there any other times in m+ besides the giga lust pulls at beginning of dungeons where spell block gets absurd value?

[neon elk]

Every time there is something spell blockable ?

[fiery wren]

or should I just use it as a general defensive if I know il be taking magic damage

[neon elk]

I mostly use it against bosses tankbusters rather than on random pulls with casters tbf

[fiery wren]

most tankbusters are magic damage then?

[lusty grotto]

look at the pinned sheet

by sense

spell block has insane value this season

[neon elk]

Nah, i would say like maybe half ?

[lusty grotto]

wrong

most of them are spell blockable

[neon elk]

Are they?

[lusty grotto]

look at the sheet

[neon elk]

Anyway, what i tried to say was , i feel the value of it more on those tankbusters than on random pulls, even if its big caster pull like in priory

[sharp gale]

Since I don’t tank bandit , the pylone (shrapnel) I guess it is considered in front of you when you click on it

[lusty grotto]

i have never seen so much teal/cyan or whatever light blue color that is

in a season before

heres hoping it continues

[neon elk]

Yo nim, how is new monsterhunter for someone that never played it ?

Like will i be lost af for first 100 hours ?

[lusty grotto]

hmm

ive been playing for a while so i dont know if i can say

the franchise i mean

it definitely has a learning curve

but it is easier if youve played dark souls

combat wise

its not a soulsborne-like in that you lose shit when you die

[neon elk]

And how is it with build if i wanna try different thing ? Its more like wow where is have to start over or just swap wepon?

[lusty grotto]

you craft the weapons you dont have to start over

[neon elk]

And i guess controller is waay better, right ?

[lusty grotto]

yeah it is

this is the first one i play with kb+m

i just wanted to try it

but controller is superior

[neon elk]

Okej will give it a try since i got the game already, thanks bro

[lusty grotto]

its def fun, but its not for everyone

[neon elk]

Yea gotta try it and will see

[solid sun]

You know, I still haven't looted a myth track 1h

[hardy snow]

it took me "only" 5 Rik kills to finally get sword

[nocturne spindle]

still no vault shield or rik shield

[frosty mango]

Why is mistweaver omega big brain

Got to be the biggest brain spec there is

[hoary pike]

what

rsk tp bok rsk

[unique gale]

how is tanking as prot in heroic raid? I've only tried normal and was ok, but on my pally things get hectic in heroic, so was curious about warrior and if it starts getting too much or not

[hoary pike]

tank is the easiest role in the raid

[neon elk]

That kinda depnds on your gear skill and your whole group, but overaly hc should be pretty eazy in terms of tank dmg and mechanics and whatnot if u have at least basics managed

[unique gale]

alright then I guess have to be pretty well geared then. there are several oh shit moments where pally's toolkit saved and i just don't foresee that option with warr, so I'll have to make sure to be well geared before trying.

Also (sorry for many msgs) having active mitigation tied to a rage-dependent shield block rather than sotr which is just always available basically kinda feels rough, any tips on this? people just always keep some rage in the bank for shield block when needed?

I'm not super well versed on what hits "need" active mitigation, so I just automatically try to shield block on all bosses, and possibly spell block for the non-physical ones, but kinda rough that these are pretty costly buttons in terms of rage or cooldown cost, vs paladin (e.g.) cheaply available SoTR

[hoary pike]

how much crit do u get from tome ?

(i still dont have it)

[hoary pike]

you have more than enough rage to put shield block up whenever you need it (always), not to mention shield charge gives shield block, then you have crit block and IP along with all your other % mitigations

there is never an oh shit moment with war because the idea is that you mitigate before the hit so when it does ur just like "hah."

in raid at least

[warm plinth]

Shield block should be active as close to 100% of the time as you can get it, even when not actively tanking (for damage)

[unique gale]

Thank you all!!! ❤️ Ah how can I get 100% shield block? Again, I'm very noob at this, but like shield block is only 6 seconds but the cooldown is significantly longer (don't remember off the top of my head, like 15s?) , and only 2 charges, so I always have "downtime", is there some trick to lowering the cooldown?

[small steeple]

with enduring defense and my 19k haste shield block is over 100%

plus shield charge also gives shield block

[unique gale]

Got it. i also see there is a talent to lengthen shield block uptime with shield slam, but none of the wowhead talent builds suggest talenting into this, nor do murlock top m+ players talent into it. I guess it means I need way more haste? to make the cooldown the same as the uptime (<=8s) . I think i'll talent into this until I can get more haste

[hoary pike]

you also got this

[small steeple]

the other option is taken once you have enough haste, otherwise HR is good

[unique gale]

thanks to you both, you're legends

[pallid quiver]

As a heads up,

there shouldn't be any oh shit moments in raid

It's extremely telegraphed, and damage outside of Mythic tends to be very low, particularly for tanks. If you have oh shit moments, it generally means you're not pressing a CD when the boss is using its telegraphed "I am hitting the tank, use defensive" ability. The only boss in raid atm where it's not the case off the top of my head is Rik; everything else is mechanic starts coming, press GoAK/Shield Wall/Icebound Fortitude/etc

So you might find more general success learning the fights and understanding what's going on better, for both your pala and warrior

And ITF is recommended in raid at any haste level, since you can safely assume you'll always have full stacks and it isn't as much of a damage upgrade due to raid fights mostly only being ST.

Combine with the above of damage intake being generally low outside of telegraphed moments, SB uptime isn't as much of a concern in raid. You just need it for those specific moments that hit hard, then you maintain as much uptime as possible to get the extra SS damage. If you don't want to ever worry about SB uptime, though, HR is always a better option.

It gives you disgusting amount of SB uptime as long as you don't hate pressing SS

[next pasture]

what key level do i start taking BSV over BR?

[round cliff]

my off tank has given up on ever trying to take boss first

😔

because i just rip

[neon elk]

Depends on many things , but generaly i would take it into my first 15s just to have some "safe net"

But thats just me , i pug only and there are some pulls and bosses where it might come in handy , probably wouldnt take it into like top or workshop , but definitely will take it into pripry and flood gate

[next pasture]

i just did a 15 ml and that third boss was def a BSV moment lol

i was hanging on 15% hp for so long

[neon elk]

Thats a healer thing i would say

Like that boss is definitely hard on tank dmg , probably like top 3 hardest, but u shouldnt realy hang low for too long

[next pasture]

i thought it was just a warrior thing, that shit is crazy, idk if spell block works for her attacks?

i don't even think i was able to cast a single revenge outside of cds, just all into IP lol

that's how much healing i got from the healer

maybe some more penances? lol

was certainly the only clencher of that dungeon

[neon elk]

Healing is one thing, CD usage is another v

[sweet summit]

idk if it has changed since bfa but you kinda just rotate cds reflect the dot and pray to whatever dieties

[neon elk]

Shes doing dmg on pull and them between " phases " where she sprays someone

[sweet summit]

priest can md every other set iirc?

[neon elk]

With dpriest in group u have enough CDs to cover everything , he can use all his stuff on you as group doesnt take dmg there

[sharp gale]

Except if the healer is chosen to drop the puddles he is weird with these type of mechs, idk who is picked in prio

I see a possible window of the healer is busy

[neon elk]

Yea but u shouldnt take that much dmg during those windows and just one gcd for defensive can solve it . And honestly i havent see like all sprays be on healer so its still manageable with proper CDs i guess

Not sure if u can get like all sets on healer , that would be extremly unlucky

[sharp gale]

Since you blink for 0.01 sec you proc bsv on that boss it is crazy

Last week I redid it in 13, ONE SWING without anything and bsv procced

[neon elk]

I dont run bsv in 13s and i dont think i even droped below 30%

But like i said, different scenario every run , even more if u pug, and 15s looks to be the right dungs to start using it, at least for me , untill i get comfy

[sharp gale]

I pug, and I would use it before 15s since 16s is kinda the wall for pugs, like use it just in the last 8 dungeons I do, weird to me

[neon elk]

I goes from dung to dung , in priory even in 14 its fine i guess, kinda depends on what first pull you do , as lately i find that part harder than first boss for some reason

In top i feel like there is no need for it , same for workshop or dfc

[frosty mango]

You can spell block and use reflect mit there

It takes some time to really understand the flow of her damage but once you understand when she attacks you, it’s easy to roll cds

Basically any time she’s not casting she’s hitting you, so on pull and then after each set of pushbacks while you move

But the dangerous times are when you are positioning her from the middle to the safe area

[sharp gale]

Yeah those two I don’t take it, the others it’s more bc I’m terrified of back shots while gathering

[unborn island]

I also pug and have used it for everything 13 and above. I guess if I ran a 13 now I might not use it, but I just think the fact it acts as a bonus Def/safety net with pug healers is too big for me to give up.

Oh yeah, I'm also not very good, so there's that too 🙂

[sinful copper]

Are there any tips for shield block uptime? Is a big part of it using shield charge on CD for resets? Does using shield block when u still have uptime extend it or does it just reset the duration?

I am doing 13-14s now and I have 80% uptime lol. I feel like I'm going to just fail due to that at these levels

[unborn island]

It extends it. And sending shield charge is a big part of keeping uptime high. Charge does good damage, generates rage and gives block...and is reset by tier, so you want to use it as often as possible 🙂

80% isn't ideal but depending on the 'when' might not actually kill you in a 13 or even a 14, but getting it higher massively improves your tankiness

Ideally you want 100% of blocked melee hits, but that's not really realistic, 95% is good performance, but usually you'll be fine if you're high 80s upwards.

uptime % on details can be misleading so if you want to check it you'd need to log.

[narrow wing]

Hi! For mythic+, whats the difference between MT and colossus? On some guides (icy veins) they recommend MT but the highest keys in murlokio are run with colossus. Is it that colossus outputs more dmg so it is preferred if you dont die?

[wicked pollen]

mt is easier if you are picking prot warrior for the first time

[lime mantle]

MT is easier.
Colossus does like, 20%+ more damage 🙂

[narrow wing]

thanks guys 🙂

[slender bison]

Run Colossus until M14 then switch to VDH

[frigid valley]

surerly the gap cant be that large overall

[karmic plinth]

it's closer on st

but colo does substantially more aoe

[round cliff]

yea why is this random ass goblin so crazy in terms of tank dmg

they aren't even doing anything it's just autos

[torn gulch]

her autos are pure magic

as far as i know

[ionic nimbus]

And you can not parry her shots afaik

So spellblock and DR via SW or SR is our only chance

[strong forum]

But she only "Autos" 2 or 3 times back to back, then she's afk again for 40sec

So she's manageable if you're prepared

Pulling her is the scariest part

Cuz she Autos 3 times back to back instantly

[sharp gale]

don’t over commit cds when she does the X blow at a dps, because she just swing once and recast the next

When she ends these casts and you have to move again you will be sliced to death for way longer

[stiff gate]

My group pulls a war machine with her, I grab it and wait til it starts its first AoE so it will only hit me and then pull the boss. The first ~5 seconds of that is probably the scariest pull in any key lol

[unborn island]

Yeah, did this the other night in a 15.

Definitely requires better CD management, but I used the same CDs as I normally would Spellblock the first bunch of autos, demo/SR the ones once block finishes, then burn my wall charges on the ones when she's finished propellant and is repositioning. I think you could repeat that cycle indefinitely?

[stiff gate]

Yeah you can

It’s the first few seconds that are scary still though, even with spell block up she hits fairly hard + charged shot

[frosty mango]

I offset this with reflect and I fire demo too so I can stack IP

It’s not a lot but it’s enough to keep you healthy while the healer gets the rest of the group sorted

[heavy sparrow]

I'm surprised that no one linked a free to use paid version of sim

[solid sun]

Anyone playing the new d4 season

[dusky canopy]

What’s that?

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-elder-scrolls-oblivion-remaster-the-elder-scrolls-knight-gif-5950817914005702046

[cerulean tusk]

Is that a Diablo cross over?

[lucid mica]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rPNK8p3YfWTXvbGg?fight=last&type=damage-done
Shit starting to look better @small steeple , i still struggle to press SB on cooldown but at least its not 1cpm as before

[sharp gale]

Yes there is still some improvements to do, but you are focusing on the good part 👍

[small steeple]

only 49 back hits when you had shield block up so t hats good

[lucid mica]

Eeh how do i watch that? im in damage taken tab but it doesnt show like that

[small steeple]

I filtered by source aura

when Shield block is on

[lucid mica]

Cool i see it

[lucid mica]

🙂

[small steeple]

Still getting VO on TC instead of SS

[jagged pier]

why are we using wow analyser?

isnt it completely unsupported? or did someone pick it up?

[small steeple]

I just used it to check the violent outburst

[lucid mica]

Ive been told to VO TC over 3 targets so i try to remember but mostly is random for me right now

[sharp gale]

Last time I checked it was on 10.5

[cerulean tusk]

Fury got some love, no clue about prot

[jagged pier]

but u can check that in logs?

[small steeple]

I don't know how

low rage wasted too

[small steeple]

ah cool thanks

[sharp gale]

I hope the next time they buff fury, they buff roar so I can enjoy as prot too / like the demolish buff

[cerulean tusk]

=_= I was talking about analyzer.

Also, I really hope they buff Odyn's Fury, as that is supposed to be "the AoE burst dam tool". A solid 125% at least.

[sharp gale]

Oh mb, I don’t think it really needs an update for prot if it’s still on 10.5

Maybe the set / but I’m sure it already spank you if you don’t press shield slam on cd

Fuck OF

[cerulean tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/zombielandsaga-sakura-spray-begone-goaway-gif-13162288

[storm swan]

I haven't got a single 1H wep drop, is it good to craft one? I have already crafted shield and feet both with duskthread

[cerulean tusk]

Sure, but wait till after you opened the next vault (today for NA, or tomorrow if you are EU)

[sharp gale]

If you did a 10

[storm swan]

yeah good point I'll craft tomorrow, ty

got full vault of 10s

[cerulean tusk]

We pray for ya

[sharp gale]

Do I open as prot tomorrow and gaslight my rl I forgot my loot spec

[graceful kite]

you will get armored plating trinket in your vault and everyone will laugh

[nocturne spindle]

Anyone get some servers?

[mild pendant]

Theyre up

Damnn. Mythic haste/crit wrists or Mythic crit/haste shield.

I already have a crafted shield but is a mythic shield too good to pass up with the increased ilvl track?

[nocturne spindle]

Get it

Might be annoying to craft the ilvl upgrade later

[mild pendant]

Crafted peices are also getting an ilvl upgrade?

[nocturne spindle]

Yea but you have to recraft with some new items

Who knows how well get those

[topaz rivet]

this happened to me last week... and this week it's the Mud trinket.

[undone beacon]

hey, we LOVE the mud here

we are BIG MUDDERS

[sharp gale]

MUD FOR THE MUD GOD

[frosty mango]

mud for the mud god

[undone beacon]

YESSSS

[sharp gale]

🙏

[undone beacon]

MUD FOR THE MUD GOD

[sharp gale]

It is the Day

[undone beacon]

LET THE VOICES RING TRUE

THE RITUALS RING

THE MUD IS LOOSE

[sharp gale]

The Ancient War between the Worldbreaker Plating Golem and the Mud God

[tall cairn]

Yo, what up fellow zug zugs. How do you usually sim yourselves in Raidbots? I'm asking configuration. Do you do patchwerk 5 bosses for mythic plus? Dungeon slice is what i thought was the way to go, but never read the notice about it not being optimized for prot warrior.

[nocturne spindle]

oh boy time to get nothing

[vapid sable]

this is kinda tough to figure out in a sim, myth track 1h wep vs hero knuckles?

[undone beacon]

I do a 1, 3, and 5 target sim. Maybe an MDT sim if I'm feeling spicy

Average out the results, find the pattern, win the game

[sharp gale]

Mdt sim doesn’t work for prot,

Even tho I hope it would

[heady nimbus]

Hey guys I got a couple of questions as a new tank trying to do 10s.

[undone beacon]

Wait hold up, wdym

Because I've been running them to moderate success I felt

[heady nimbus]

So firstly, how do you guys deal with the fact that ranged, particularly casters, will not tuck in? Like, it feels almost impossible to route because of the constant butpull and other issues that pop up when ranged are standing in narnia.

[sharp gale]

I asked nome about it, he said the apl / whatever is not built for mdt sim, I launched it, I saw I had a little more than ST damage sim even tho it was a fucking necrotic wake

[undone beacon]

Well fuck

[dense ingot]

I like to ping and remind people to tuck in.

[heady nimbus]

Then secondly, what's your strategy for real big pull openings, like the first pull of cinderbrew or priory? The normal opening is avatar, charge and then shield block, but how do you change this up when you are chain pulling a couple of packs? What are your next steps after shield block during this situation?

[sharp gale]

Maybe it works but I didn’t try since

[undone beacon]

I've been running mdt sims using my Motherlode route but, I'll keep that in mind. Maybe pick Nome's brain when he's around

[heady nimbus]

lol yeah I try this but people seem confused by most pings and just ignore them.

[sharp gale]

You mass ping

[dense ingot]

I usually hold the avatar and just send shield wall while finishing gathering and once i've gotten stuff gathered I send avatar.

Make sure you have shield block up too of course.

[sharp gale]

You mass ping a line toward the melee*

[undone beacon]

Unironically, when I pug I have an extra action bar with /yell macros for commands like "LUST" or "STACK ON TANK" or "LOS ON PING" lmfao

And i spam the shit out of them

[heady nimbus]

nice

[heady nimbus]

ok

[heady nimbus]

I will try this.

[sharp gale]

And if you wipe because the caster don’t care, just leave 🤷‍♂️

[heady nimbus]

I have tried like 5 times to pull mobs around the corner near first boss in DFC but no one ever listens to my pings even though I like draw a line where I am going. Dps still just flat footing dps pulling mobs off me and wiping while I'm trying to LOS them and healer is always way in the back like wtf is happening. So out of those 5 times, I think once I have gotten cooperation. Feels like I just need to keep things super basic and slow and just aim to +1 dungeons at this level even though I could do better pretty easily, I feel like.

[sharp gale]

I did a rookery (tight timer) and 3 of us say bl on the damage phase last boss, the key leader don’t bl, we say bl mass ping second damage phase, third still no bl -> deplete boss has 3% -> I instantly jump in the water and leave

[heady nimbus]

I have thought about like writing up a bit about various things I want to do and posting it before key start but then I feel like that's just going to get me kicked and people won't read it anyway.

[undone beacon]

Nobody is going to kick their tank for trying to explain the route

They might ignore you but

They wont kick you

Remember that it takes you less than a minute to get into a key, it can take those smarmy dps 10+ mins

You have the power, dahrling

[sharp gale]

It’s been quite a time I didn’t push DfC, I was pulling the 2 packs after the door with the first and Los in the first room

[undone beacon]

I fucking hate DFC

Everytime I run it I hate it more

[sharp gale]

The first pull is not fun

[undone beacon]

First pull sucks, first hallway sucks, elementals before second boss suck, little caster shits after 2nd boss suck, pugs can never do the minecart section correctly, nobody grabs candles on last boss, blegh

[dense ingot]

Just do simpler pulls in dfc if you're noticing pugs struggle with keeping up with your movement. In 10s you shouldn't really need to do fancy pulls to time the key, especially darkflame. People are probably used to their tank literally pressing W from one pack to the next.

[heady nimbus]

I actually really like DFC on my resto sham main. Less so on my tank, for sure.

[vapid sable]

any take on myth track 1h wep vs heroic knuckles? hard to figure out the full value of knuckles on a sim

[heady nimbus]

Yeah that's what I am leaning towards. Just sucks when you get into those groups that start pulling shit for you because you're not big braining pulls.

[undone beacon]

I'm gonna lean myth weapon, esp with good stats

[vapid sable]

ok thanks

[topaz rivet]

sorry, had to work and tabbed away.

so if my defensive trinket options are Myth Mud (from today's vault) or the champ Bomb Suit I already have, is it worth it to take the Myth Mud? (I'm a on a casual heroic prog raid team with friends, so Myth Bombsuit is out of the question and we're far from a Gally kill, so no bombsuit till dinars).

[waxen frost]

Question for you guys, would you choose the shield or strapped rescue keg? (I have the hero track semi charmed amulet from raid at 665 and a crafted shield at 675, for reference) Thanks!

[sharp gale]

ANOTHER MUD?

[topaz rivet]

sadly this was an earlier reported Mud.

[undone beacon]

Honestly, if you’re just doing casual heroic prog and no push keys, you don’t really need a defensive trinket at all

[heady nimbus]

ur not getting bombsuit even with dinars it turns out.

[undone beacon]

As much as I want to say to slather yourself in the mud, you’re gonna get more value out of offensive trinkets with the damage profiles of the content you’re doing

[topaz rivet]

cool.

yeah my little crew is new back this xpac and our push keys are 12s

[undone beacon]

That’s fair that’s fair

Bombsuit is far and away the better option, I’d wager even at champ track since neither has STR anyways

If you have other good myth vault options consider those first

[undone beacon]

Sim it, do you have myth tier legs?

[topaz rivet]

Cool cool. Thanks!

[waxen frost]

I do, yeah.

[undone beacon]

Sick, then yeah probably the keg but still sim :3

[sharp gale]

Bombsuit is = roughly mud just mud has more 30 sec cd (but have cdr if dots)

[waxen frost]

Thank you for the reply!

[undone beacon]

Bombsuit does have natural haste which ups its value, plus the dr that mud lacks

[heady nimbus]

what other strategies or defensives do you use prior to using avatar, other than shield block. I feel extremely vulnerable during the chain pulling and my hp ping pongs.

[undone beacon]

I find my mud expires super fast compared to my Bombsuit

Though its hero mud vs hero bombsuit so

[nocturne spindle]

bombsuit works better for us cause IP and shit works on the 75% absorb but not the 100% of mud

or something like that

[undone beacon]

75% dr on top of IP + other DRs = very little damage taken for 5-20 seconds

However
Mud summons a little mud god
So like, yeah

[heady nimbus]

raidfinder bombsuit vs hero track mud? by mud u guys mean that trinket that coasts you when u take damage and then does aoe, right?

can't remember if it's a delve trinket or from that boss in floodgate.

[sharp gale]

It is true, since bombsuit shield let 25% go into your IP/hp, you get more value of it

It last longer

[undone beacon]

Mud is from Floodgate yeah

Speaking of floodgate, I made a gif of our tank the other night hitting the big slide :3

[unborn island]

Just gonna have to do LFR gally to be able to buy a fricking bombsuit

[heady nimbus]

thought so, yeah so raidfinder suit vs hero mud?

[heady nimbus]

this is art

[sharp gale]

Raid finder bombsuit is maybe too low for me to judge

[heady nimbus]

I might try to pug a normal or heroic raid this week.

[wanton mantle]

hmm suggestions? myth track bis ring or hc track bis belt with third stat and socket

[unborn island]

Ring

[sharp gale]

I would go ring too

[full plover]

bro that's 21% points right there

[undone beacon]

1. Sim it. 2) If you have cauldron on farm wait and see if belt drops. 3) ring probably anyways lol

[full plover]

+4 green arrow too

and it's worth more gold

[unborn island]

Belt I would wait until I get a myth track one then catalyse it

[sharp gale]

Bc you don’t usually care about myth vs hero except trinkets

[unborn island]

Because the catalysed belt has sick stats

[full plover]

^^ i catted my myth belt last week

[undone beacon]

you CATTED your belt? uwu nyah~

[sharp gale]

The crit vers belt from raid is bis as it is (yes it depends on your stats and fuck bis list btw)

[undone beacon]

Sorry ill leave now

[solid sun]

You’ve made me feel uncomfortable

[full plover]

bro who let the feral in here?

psss psss

[solid sun]

I thought you were a bear, so I had adopted standard bear cultural standards

But now you’ve revealed yourself to be a cat

[full plover]

naw bruh he's got cat ears

if you uWu he has to respond

[sharp gale]

uwu ?

[full plover]

he left

sad

[wanton mantle]

went for the ring, the nearly passive bl levels of haste its nice, although the 10% lost of mastery hurts, but sim says its a 1.4% upgrade soo

[undone beacon]

I would never leave you my beloved prot warriors

uwu

The druidism is seeping into my bones

[undone beacon]

nyah~

[full plover]

ra ra

[solid sun]

How easy is arms

In raid

I might have to off spec to help another group out and there ain’t no way I’m touching fury

[undone beacon]

I mean, its not bad

hit mortal strike and execute and overpower and win

[wanton mantle]

prot and arms share stats, so, you basically gearing 2 x 1

[full plover]

This guy knows how to train arms
https://youtu.be/PS9LtjQ1MDM?t=11

[undone beacon]

this

certified uwu

[full plover]

ty

dont click that at work people

or do im not a cop

[undone beacon]

pfft

God has cursed my bear's vault, this sux

[full plover]

is priory signet not good?

[undone beacon]

Its a decent on-use but I'm already using pacemaker+mud

Might end up just taking a socket because that ring is actually trolling for guardian

Its hard to say exactly because simming when you are wearing bombsuit or mud is fucked

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cGtLrdCKbWpxor6GZ4CMTN

At least my prot vault had a clear winner in a myth helm smh

[sinful copper]

Omg didn't even realize it extends.... How high can it extend to? I've been trying too hard to hit shield block or shield charge near the end of its duration when it didn't matter this whole time

[dusky canopy]

@jagged pier blast the campaign yet or just endlessly side questing!?

[jagged pier]

30hours in, only just met martin

I made some rules tho, no fast travel, and if i come across a dungeon i have to do it

May take that rule off tho wanna doing rhe mage guild to make spells 😂

[humble rose]

Evening all, What's the deal with Execute during a ST Raid Boss? We've got Sudden Death, so where in the rotation priority does Execute and it's free proc come in? Checking the Wowhead guide, it says after SS, Revenge AND TC?

[frosty mango]

I usually move it up the prio list if I can use it to refresh the execute buff with lucky procs

But realistically the proc lasts long enough that you won’t really be at risk of wasting it

[humble rose]

My concern is that, with lucky shield slam resets, and enough rage, Thunder clap would be lucky to even see action - Execute being after that seems unwise, being that it's ST - Would you say it takes Prio over Thunder Clap when it's a Proc?

But not SS or Revenge*

[frosty mango]

Thunderclap will see plenty of action

Don’t try to overthink it

Just make sure you press execute before the proc falls off - start there

[humble rose]

I'm currently doing that now, but it's hard to tell if I should have waited until SS was on cooldown, and Revenge was still useable - Trying to figure the prio of the choices to make during all 3 being available to prees

[frosty mango]

Full send shield slam, revenge, tclap, don’t waste sudden death procs, ip if overcapping, thats the general ruleset i use before execute range and it works fine for me (no issue parsing 90+)

I’m sure there is an exact ideal order at all times but imo trying to dynamically decide like that all the time is going to net you a worse result than trying to be consistent - that being said if you’re already pulling top tier numbers I’m sure someone can break the math down for you

[humble rose]

I appreciate your answers and time :) Thank you - The math is where my head is currently at, just to see what exactly is going to benefit me the most in terms of prio, only because the Wowhead guide doesn't do a great job at explaining execute for us

[real thunder]

So i know the general rule is Ilvl above all. I have a crafted shield and got a heroic level "Titan Of Industry" shield. Not sure how great the proc is and if it's worth the ilvl diff between my current shield. Would you keep the higher Ilvl crafted shield?

[humble rose]

In terms of damage or survivability? Damage is always to sim

[undone beacon]

If you have crafted, not worth

[sinful copper]

Anyone know how high u can extend shield block by pressing more shield blocks and shield charges?

[undone beacon]

The 10 ilvl difference between a hero gally and a crafted is a big gulf

[real thunder]

Thx all.

[undone beacon]

I want to say theres diminishing returns above 20 seconds but don't quote me on that

[sinful copper]

Ooo

[undone beacon]

I've shitted around and had it at like, 25 seconds?

[mighty valley]

think it's 3x the standard duration for pressing it

but bolster ignores this if you ever take that for whatever reason

[sinful copper]

So do I have to actively monitor the duration to make sure I'm not wasting by exceeding that? Or it's very hard to get above 3x duration?

[nocturne spindle]

you wont get it

[frosty mango]

It’s 24 seconds in the standard build and generally you only want to press shield block to keep shield block up

Like in theory you could press it twice for 16 seconds but that would cause things to go all wonky for me

I don’t think I’ve ever been in a situation where I could overcap it, outside of shield charge tier procs but tbh I’ve never really paid attention

[heavy sparrow]

Dang both bis

[frosty mango]

Tome

[dusky canopy]

This guy Hollyy

You take tome bro

[frosty mango]

Lots of sources of feet, only one tome and good chance you’ll never see it again

[dusky canopy]

Assuming myth track

[nocturne spindle]

fuck mythic trinket getters

i hate all of you

[frosty mango]

I got a myth pacemaker and myth tome

I got all the luck, lol

[nocturne spindle]

ban him

[frosty mango]

Just need a myth bombsuit to round out my collection

[undone beacon]

mods, remove his femur

[chilly brook]

shoulders and gloves are same stat budget yea?

[dusky canopy]

Uh yeah iirc

[undone beacon]

Yeee

[dusky canopy]

• helm/chest/legs
• shoulder/glove/belt/boot
• wrist/cloak

[chilly brook]

choice is between myth shoulders and myth gloves don't wanna sim but w/e I'll just send it

think gloves win out just simply because my gloves are 658 and shoulders are 665 already

[dusky canopy]

Sounds like it ye

[chilly brook]

and I was correct

[undone beacon]

which mog do u need more, ez

[chilly brook]

I don't "need" mog but it'd be gloves

heroic items upgraded to 662+ get you the myth appearance

[heavy sparrow]

First and only, even in season 1

[full plover]

I just macro block and slam together and just hit the '4' on my keyboard zug zug

[chilly brook]

tfw you cap on crests for the week without stepping foot into content

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-boba-fett-the-mandalorian-this-is-the-way-the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-gif-24825263

[frosty mango]

It feels even worse when you can’t actually use them to upgrade anything

[chilly brook]

I mean I got my myth gloves and my myth tome to upgrade

oh and myth belt

what feels bad is that I can only choose one thing to upgrade fully

[frosty mango]

I am 670 and it hurts, I DID get myth cinder neck last week tho so

Cheers for the little wins

[chilly brook]

I'm chillin on gear

[frosty mango]

That 658 neck

Trolling you

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full plover]

'could be sluttier'

[chilly brook]

jewelry can afford to be lower ilvl

[frosty mango]

That’s quitter talk

You better get to farming

Cinderbrew ain’t gonna clear itself

[chilly brook]

hey man I like my fit

[frosty mango]

I ran like 30 floodgates last week on my hunter and didn’t even see a pacemaker drop, I’m cursed

Are you playing on a bike powered potato

Where is your anti aliasing

[chilly brook]

this neck is better than cinderbrew neck

[full plover]

I can't talk

[frosty mango]

Sub par ilvl unacceptable

the roidburg drip is undeniable

thicc and sturdy, like a tank should be

[undone beacon]

mods, goblin time

[jagged gust]

I don't have my glasses on and thought that mount in the background was a hat at first

I was so hyped for a second for a dope ass new helm

[dusky canopy]

[pale badge]

Hey timed my first 15 (floodgate) with 2 min left on teh clock, warr seems like it's still viable at 15s! I was hoping

Boss 1 Electrocrush did 15% of my overall damage taken tho, holy shit not fun

[chilly brook]

I mean of course it's viable in 15s

gratz though I'm a bit jealous

Floodgate and Priory are the only 2 15s that I haven't timed

[pale badge]

did it with a friend playing a weird build of rsham that focuses on big single target heals, seemed to help a lot

[chilly brook]

usually me dying isn't the problem

[pale badge]

haha fair!

i'm def still learning

Do you have any tips for cinderbrew at 14/15? seems to be the toughest dungeon for me to get

not personally strugglign with anything in particular in there, just wondering if there is any particular tip about that place that comes to mind. Seems to just be the hardest dungeon for my groups

[unborn island]

Big pulls and good dps, that's about it.

I also quite enjoyed doing to do the first bee-side pull before going back to IPA side. It means there's one fewer pull to complete on that side after IPA and doesn't materially alter lust timings.

The MC trick on the yes men also saves a bunch of time.

But mainly...find those DPS who got you through a 15 Floodgate with 2 mins to spare would be my take.

[neon elk]

Didnt they already fix MC there like 2 weeks ago?

[stiff gate]

no it was fake news, my alt group has a priest and it still works

i think they fixed ranging the heal though

we couldn't get that to work

[lusty tiger]

What is yogi’s name currently?

[frosty mango]

Yogi

You can tell by the way that it is

(That was a joke)

[lusty tiger]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/244190952107933697/1366843466335649983/b23274aa-b5ca-493d-9b10-9d936de3dd2f.png?ex=68126bad&is=68111a2d&hm=3c5d7bdc98a319e622f90daaa3e2db49fa4c323bcaf0630f237bd06fea3df215&

@tribal wharf

The yogi that plays doom

[round pendant]

god I wish Holy Priest didn't suck ass

[solid sun]

Your friend needs an intervention

[round pendant]

@tribal wharf

[lusty tiger]

Omg yes

Ty

[tribal wharf]

i mean hey

its the CACO demon

i mean

do i really need to explain it lol

fuckjin, also, when doom releases im going to change my name to say no i am not playing it, if im not lol

i never had a fair shake with oblivion, i was thinking about giving that a go

[solid sun]

Riding nostalgia pretty hard imo

But it’s better than another Skyrim release!

[rocky crest]

just trying to figure shit out, I'm wondering if someone has time and can check https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/reftion?zone=43 and see if my parses are shit or not for +16 keys? Because I suck at reading them

[pallid quiver]

Like, damage-wise?

[urban portal]

Key parses aren’t real

[pallid quiver]

If so, literally impossible to tell. None of those have logs.

The % shown on your logs page refers only to key level done compared to other players of your spec

It has no relation to your performance in the key.