protection

[lusty grotto]

we're complicating answers

most pugs have problems with skips as it is and you wanna do this elaborate plan to do a very easy skip

[rocky crest]

anyone getting invites to 16's ?

[cerulean tusk]

Stopped at the 14 range, months ago. I would presume you could get into one, but at 16 we talking though competition and a lot of scruteny. You already got all 15s and some 16s done?

If you got all 15s done, before you try to PuG the rest, do at least a couple with your own key. So you look like an better option

16 keys with your own key, to make it crystal clear

[rocky crest]

DFC 16 and all 15's

[rocky crest]

Thanks for input, will do

[round pendant]

holy moly I ate an unmitigated buster from final boss top

it hurt

doesn't kill at +12 tho so whatevs but kinda rough during the succ with the healer panicking

12s are too ez

feels so nice not having the affix

[ionic nimbus]

You should have at least a small def cd for every scythe

[round pendant]

yeah idk how I fucked it up

it's chill tho

it won't kill me on a +13 either and that's the furthest I'm going with ToP lmao

(I'll do it better next time tho)

look at the shadow priest's dps

(he's #4)

[chrome falcon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35IIQJfkWFc can someone explain what sense is doing on the first tankbuster? he just sits in the fire and it's all good?

is he human racialling at 2:05?

[lusty grotto]

yes

he swapped to human for that boss

[round pendant]

damn that's op

[warm plinth]

You're OP

gottem

[round pendant]

[lusty grotto]

EMFH takes care of golden knuckles

and/or spell warding

otherwise you do it natty

[warm plinth]

Every Mole Favors Holes, exactly

[chrome falcon]

yeah ok this game is beyond dogshit

[heavy sparrow]

I've been having a terrible habit of having my spell block and shield wall at the same time lately

Utter waste

[round pendant]

it be like that sometimes

[jagged pier]

i believe services are on discount atm

[nocturne spindle]

i think spell reflect is up for every one anyway

[frigid plume]

just have your BDK IBF it

[shut summit]

i did it this past week without human racial, made almost no difference

just run along the wall and drop it, disappears before last phase so w/e

[chrome falcon]

god bless ty

was worried it'd be another sarkareth dwarf angle

[wraith ibex]

Any good tank focused plater profiles?

[lusty grotto]

quazii

its free

[fallen spindle]

Looking at yoda playing prot warr. his dmg seems kinda low when they make so big pulls, is he not smashing the rigth keys or ?

[lusty grotto]

probably playing thane

hard to say

without logs

[fallen spindle]

ah ok. his playing colo it seems

[lusty grotto]

well i cant do much i dont watch him

[fallen spindle]

🙂 normally i dont either. but it was just there so im peeking

[kind urchin]

Yoda generally ranks prot warrior low in tier lists and is terrible at playing it.

[round pendant]

Yoda said pwar is #2 rn

so he ain't downplaying it atm

[heavy sparrow]

#2 before the nerf maybe back when he claimed it d tier

[round pendant]

nah this was like a week ago

[heavy sparrow]

Same - I heard about names but don't really care about person(s) just routes
https://tenor.com/view/bromance-sig-curtis-alex-louis-armstrong-fullmetal-fma-gif-18194534

[round pendant]

Yoda's keybinds for pwar are absurd

[cerulean tusk]

You should watch more of his vids, make sure all the binds are bad and always has been

just remember to turn off adblock first

o7

[round pendant]

why would I do that

[cerulean tusk]

Same reason ppl should watch his tierlists

Money

[round pendant]

I'd rather not give him any money

[storm stone]

hey yall whats better for m+ currently. colossus or mountain thane?

[lusty grotto]

colossus

[unborn island]

Finally got fucking 14 priory

[lusty grotto]

gz

[unborn island]

Competent group, and missed +2 by like a minute

Now at least a bit of a breather until I have to do it on 15 🙂

[unborn island]

Thanks dude 🙂

[storm stone]

am i trolling if i go mountain thane then?

[lusty grotto]

not at all

you just do 20% less damage

thane is also easier to play

but is more than capable

[warm plinth]

You're more than capable

gottem

[lusty grotto]

[kind urchin]

Mountain thane's fine. I play it sometimes just because I like it and damage is fine. Still more than vdh and bear.

[round cliff]

dear diary today i finally timed priory on an 11 and got my portal

before now literally every group i was in was key bricking sim

[stray lark]

I just started tanking Mythics. One of the things I Struggle with is establishing agro across multi pack pulls. Especially with caster in them. I feel like whatever ability I use to try to establish agro isn't enough and mobs get pulled off super fast. Any tips of tricks?

[round cliff]

well 1 ur dps need to not suck scum

2nd troar is goated for aggro management

[lusty grotto]

are you thane or colossus

[stray lark]

Colossus

[lusty grotto]

talent crackling

use troar for gathering

thunderclap with crackling to put rend after troar

wait until they are gathered and then unload avatar + demo shout + demolish

remember you can always leap to reset taunt

[round cliff]

HUH

[lusty grotto]

and remember you can also disrupt/challenging shout

[round cliff]

what do u mean leap resets taunt

[lusty grotto]

fruiter dont spoil it

[round cliff]

😭

[lusty grotto]

its only tasty if its authentic lol

also make sure your weapon is competitive with the group, you should have crafted shield + weapon first

[thorn patio]

Calling yoda terrible at warrior while you are probably hundreds of io under his warrior is kinda crazy my dude

[round cliff]

bouncing and moaning on it

[round pendant]

bad argument

[lusty grotto]

hes a very good tank, hes just not the best warrior

far from it

[thorn patio]

he is ranked 19 out of all of the warriors, i would not say that is far from it. id say its about 18 slots from it

[lusty grotto]

he doesnt optimize for it

he overvalues IP

[round pendant]

rio isn't a measure of how good you are at the class

[lusty grotto]

he doesnt really solo keys, nobody does

[round cliff]

reminder that tank survivability is not a factor in keys rn

its dps eating shit

[lusty grotto]

at that range anyway lol

also he made that garbage ass doc last season lmao

[round cliff]

GOOGLE DOCKEY

[round pendant]

There's a lot of factors that go into having high rio

and I wouldn't even say being good at your class is top 10 in that list

[round cliff]

is good keybinds in the top 10

[lusty grotto]

either way that doesnt mean hes a bad player at all, hes very good at what he does in general - tanking, shotcalling, etc etc

[round pendant]

nope

[lusty grotto]

a lot of those people simply cant do

[bleak breach]

I dunno, you’ve gotta be pretty good to be high io

[lusty grotto]

as long as you understand your defensives

thats all that maters

[bleak breach]

What is high IO these days?

3k used to be pretty high, but seems kinda chill to get

[lusty grotto]

3k is nothing

[round cliff]

tomrus has 3k

[bleak breach]

No idea who that is

[round cliff]

our goat

[round pendant]

3k is piss

3.3k maybe?

[lusty grotto]

this season in general is miles easier than any other

[bleak breach]

I don’t really watch much wow stuff in fairness. I only know who Yoda is from this disc

[lusty grotto]

for better actually

[round cliff]

the only 2 wow Content Creator i know of off the top of my head that i can trust to not be entirely full of shit is critcake and megrocks

[lusty grotto]

as long as seasons keep being this way, m+ will be eating good

[bleak breach]

The io will jump a lot with the 7 extra ilvl or whatever it is too

[lusty grotto]

but that does mean that people that did keys last season will be better in general

and in DF

yeah that too

[chilly brook]

Idk man lots of people in my 15s at mid to high 3200s that I question if they have thumbs much less a brain

Also I mean like you’re still well ahead of top 10% in score at 3k even if it’s not that hard to get

[bleak breach]

It’s not, but you have to be a good player to get 3k

[lusty grotto]

thats a moving target

[round pendant]

if by good you mean "above average" sure

[bleak breach]

Like there’s still a big gap between the top 1% and top 0.1%

[bleak breach]

That’s very elitist of you

[lusty grotto]

i mean he does have a point

[round pendant]

Not sure what's elitist about it

[chilly brook]

Yesn’t?

[lusty grotto]

your "good" is very relative

sokraxx

[chilly brook]

I mean call it cope if you want but I’m within one key level of top 0.1% and honestly most of the time it’s not my own play that’s keeping me back it’s a mixture of getting into the keys that I need as an off meta spec and people being terrorists in my own key

[round pendant]

At the end of the day, to be above average in any game you need to put in very little effort

[lusty grotto]

ehh

[chilly brook]

I’d really say the biggest difference between 1% and top 0.1% is basically the amount of time you have to dedicate to pushing

[lusty grotto]

see the problem is you guys keep saying good, but your base is completely different

[round pendant]

so when we're talking about GOOD players I'm only really thinking about the top 5% if that

[chilly brook]

I mean if you’re in the top 10% of m+ you’re “good”

[bleak breach]

^

[chilly brook]

By statistics anyways

[lusty grotto]

i didnt mean you griff

[chilly brook]

Doesn’t mean you’re an immensely skilled player tbh though

[bleak breach]

I feel it’s pretty easy to measure

[chilly brook]

Just better than the other 90%

[round pendant]

Yeah but we weren't talking about good relative to the entire player base

[lusty grotto]

why arent the top 25% good?

[round pendant]

We were talking about if yoda is good at prot warrior specifically within his skill bracket (high end m+ players)

no?

[lusty grotto]

or the top 40%?

see how its relative?

[bleak breach]

No

[lusty grotto]

yes

its relative TO YOU

[bleak breach]

I just said anyone who got 3k was good

[chilly brook]

I’d say he’s above average but not a top prot player

[lusty grotto]

"oh they are below me, they must be bad"

[bleak breach]

I mean top 10% is good

[chilly brook]

He doesn’t really know the spec very well and makes basic mistakes

[lusty grotto]

why isnt the top 25% good ?

sokraxx?

[bleak breach]

I didn’t say it’s not

[lusty grotto]

are the top 25% CE guilds, bad?

[bleak breach]

All CE guilds are good

[lusty grotto]

the point is, its all relative

[bleak breach]

Bad guilds don’t get CE

[round cliff]

blizz just pushed a patch cuz bad guilds were getting CE

[bleak breach]

I get what you mean Nim

[round pendant]

The fact that the the percentiles include all the people who do literally a few keys and then quit

[bleak breach]

No, bad guilds aren’t killing M Gally

They cheated to get there a lot faster

[chilly brook]

It wasn’t because bad guilds got CE, it was because people were circumventing regular prog to obtain CE/HOF

[bleak breach]

^

[chilly brook]

There’s a difference

[round pendant]

top 10% isn't impressive when 80%+ of m+ players don't take m+ seriously at all, yet they're included in the stats

imo

[bleak breach]

Top 10% is impressive regardless

[chilly brook]

And 80% of most multiplayer gamers don’t take their PvP game seriously either like CS:GO

That’s just how it works

[round pendant]

top 10% in something like dota is impressive tho

[chilly brook]

Casuals always outweigh the competitive audience

[lusty grotto]

also another point: any player getting 3k this season will have an easier time on the climb than last season... hard seasons train players and that skill obtained never goes away, paired with the fact that this season is a lot less coggy loaded and a lot more closer to BFA seasons than any other

[bleak breach]

Is it really any different Yam?

They’re all full of heaps of players who don’t play a lot

[chilly brook]

Other than magnitude of players I don’t think it’s very different

[bleak breach]

The top % plays a lot, the bottom don’t.

[frosty mango]

For cinderbrew 15+ how is everyone handling the first room? I feel like not pulling chewie with something else is kinda eating into the timer enough it’s meaningful

[bleak breach]

Yep

[round pendant]

same with chess

[chilly brook]

3-4 pulls

[round pendant]

The amount of information you need to learn, and hours put in to be top 10% in dota is ridiculous

I don't think it's the case with wow

[frosty mango]

I’m doing right side 2 muscles, chewie + pyro, left side rest and pugs are melting down telling me I’m insane

[chilly brook]

Big big first pull, Chewie afterward, pull in some smaller packs that don’t have a muscle while killing chewie

[lusty grotto]

youre wrong

its very comparable

[chilly brook]

Then big pull or 2 smaller pulls after into boss

[frosty mango]

Ok that’s exactly what I’m doing these people must just be cooked

[chilly brook]

For pulling mobs that don’t do shit into chewie?

[round pendant]

how

[frosty mango]

Yeap

[chilly brook]

Yeah cooked

[lusty grotto]

for the same reason yam

[chilly brook]

Cuz peeps are doing that in higher keys

[lusty grotto]

you need time and experience in the game

[chilly brook]

It’s what I did in my 15 and it was smooth af

[thorn patio]

Yam is definitely right. Most m+ players are just people filling vaults doing 10s not people pushing rating and that makes up a massive part of the statistics, where in a pvp game people that are queuing ranked are trying for rank

[round pendant]

I hadn't played wow since Legion and I was never good at wow back then

came back for DF and statistically immediately became top 10% in S1

[frosty mango]

I think people vastly underestimate a) how much people like yoda and squish play and b) how much better they are

[round pendant]

I'm not even good at wow now 🤔

[chilly brook]

Like chewie is basically a nothing burger of a mini boss

Outside of the big aoe

[lusty grotto]

youre undervaluing your own experience yam

[frosty mango]

It’s one thing to watch those people play but most people do not comprehend the extreme chasm of skill between them and the people running like 15s

[chilly brook]

And as long as you don’t pull muscle or big packs into him everyone is more than safe

[frosty mango]

That’s what I said, if it’s not muscle it should be no problem because there’s no unavoidable damage

[lusty grotto]

most? is 10% most?

jesus lol

[round pendant]

well 10% is like half 11s half 12s rn

[bleak breach]

I’ve always wanted to push really high in keys but I just struggle for time

[frosty mango]

What do you define as really high

[round pendant]

actually nope top 10% is all 12s I think

[lusty grotto]

so?

that doesnt even take away from the point, that his "most" is not even close to reality

[round pendant]

50% is like all 8s

[lusty grotto]

looking at a bubble

[bleak breach]

But Yam, not everytying is easy for everyone that’s the point.

[chilly brook]

I mean I also almost bricked a 15 ML because I said we’re skipping the double mastermind pack before the 3rd boss and pulled and went to do the meld skip but someone in the group said “can’t skip this bro” and pulled it

[bleak breach]

You might find it easy, but the majority of the players can’t even clear 10s by seasons end.

Meaning anyone in top 10% is good

[lusty grotto]

10% is simply not most

[frosty mango]

I dunno I feel like this season one good player can reliably carry four shitters through a 10

[chilly brook]

Was very silly

[lusty grotto]

just saying that is ridiculous

[round pendant]

he didn't say that though

[lusty grotto]

anything below 50% is not most

lets read it again

[chilly brook]

Hunter in that key also never pressed turtle and never feigned the homing missile on last boss

[round pendant]

Where did he say 10%?

[lusty grotto]

i said 10%

cause he said people filling vaults doing 10s

[round pendant]

He's simply saying that most M+ players aren't trying to be good at the game

[lusty grotto]

i dont understand this ackchuallying going on

whats the point

most people in the game dont do 10s yam

most players in world of warcraft do not do 10s

[round pendant]

yeah, and people doing tens regularly are where I'd start considering comparing against other people actually being valuable

comparing someone that's 3k rating vs some dude who does a few keys and is at 1.5k

is pointless

"valuable"

[chilly brook]

There’s definitely a hump to get past in the 15 range because people can’t brute force their way through keys at that point

[round pendant]

as in, as a measuring stick

basically, everything below fuck it, let's say 2.5k

is meaningless data

since it's so easy and you can just be carried

[lusty grotto]

i disagree

but this topic is pointless

[round pendant]

whereas in a real elo system (pvp) it's all meaningful since it's only the people who've fallen all the way to the bottom who aren't actually trying

basically, rio doesn't measure skill at all unless you're talking the key levels where it requires real effort to succeed

that's my take

[chilly brook]

I mean I’m unironically bronze in league, I try I just suck

[round pendant]

I mean there's a bit of a learning gap between m0 and 10s so maybe I'd lower that 2.5k a bit to 2.2k

[round pendant]

Bronze isn't the bottom tho

[chilly brook]

Better than I used to be, I was iron when I started

[round pendant]

Iron IV would be what I'm referring to

[chilly brook]

I bronze quite literally tops out at 37th percentile

Bottoms out at 24th

So like

That’s pretty damn much the bottom

[round pendant]

you still have to try and win some to stay there though

and not to mention it's pvp so the system tries to make it even

My whole point is just that it's fair to compare elo in competitive games because you actually lose points and will (generally) reach your correct elo

in wow you can just get carried to 2500+ because 1 dead weight is irrelevant

so I don't think that it's very meaningful to say anyone is "good" compared to be people at that rio

that's not to say players at 2500 can't be good tho

[chilly brook]

I mean you can definitely get carried to a certain degree in wow

But I’d wager hitting title range is basically impossible this season if you don’t deserve it without someone else just playing for you

[round pendant]

I agree

It becomes competitive at that point too!

[lusty grotto]

everything below 2.5k is meaningless data is so ridiculous

that statement alone

you cant just pick and choose what data you want to see just because you feel a certain way or have an opinion

its all or nothing

your perspective does not matter

and that's all it is

[pallid quiver]

unless you have contextual basis attempting to support something; data is meaningless without context after all

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

if youre putting data under a microscope you need a valid reason to do so, so yes you're right

[cerulean tusk]

As the lowbar of the warrior class, and I am 3k score. We can safely say anyone at 3k or under are underperforming and all they bring are scrap data.

[round cliff]

i thought i was the low bar :(

[lusty grotto]

welcome to 0k rating Funky!

[cerulean tusk]

Would be funny, if me gaining rating didn't move me upwards, but work as an negative score mod for everyone else

[lusty grotto]

lmao

and btw the context for the entire convo was "skill" which really isnt measurable, is subjective and is relativistic

[round cliff]

is bm hunter literally 4 buttons like actually im leveling one rn
i press barb shot, i press kill command, i press cobra shot and i press multishot sometimes

[lusty grotto]

not to mention r.io does not equal skill

[round cliff]

kill shot occasionally

[cerulean tusk]

Just play MM instead, 100x the fun

[lusty grotto]

yeah its pretty simple

[round cliff]

i need full mobility

im leveling a mechanics hamster

[lusty grotto]

simple does not mean unfun

[round cliff]

i dont mind the simple rotation the fun comes from doing the mechanics

in every fight always

cuz mobility and immunity

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

Kill command, cobra shot, barbed shot, dire beast if you’re talented into it, kill shot, explosive shot in aoe if talented, call of the wild and bestial wrath

[cerulean tusk]

BM is more complex than MM, you drunk?

[chilly brook]

About it

[round cliff]

is turtle a literal real immunity like bubble or is it fake

[lusty grotto]

not from what ive heard

funky

[chilly brook]

BM is easier to be decent at, but in reality i fell like it’s harder to be great at

[round cliff]

being a great BM hunter is about what ur doing while doing full dps

innit

[lusty grotto]

its exactly like bubble

well, except for the part that you cannot attack while in it

[round cliff]

always a catch

can u cancelaura it?

[lusty grotto]

probably

[round cliff]

can u put a cancelaura macro in the same button as the aura

[tranquil sluice]

yes

[round cliff]

like
/cast turtle
/cancelaura turtle

[round pendant]

I already explained it. Now the cut-off rating for where you can no longer be carried to is somewhat subjective, it's DEFINITELY not below 2500

And the fact you don't lose rio means that it's not measuring skill below that point

[lusty grotto]

its not a measuring stick regardless

[round pendant]

but whatever man

[cerulean tusk]

Untrue. Turtle is 100% evasion, it does not remove debuffs or immune damage during it. On the flip side, bubble can be dispelled and turtle can not 🐢

[tranquil sluice]

you probably want to change the order

[lusty grotto]

today i learned

[pallid quiver]

This, you always want cancel auras before the cast

[cerulean tusk]

Imagine not doing PvP

[pallid quiver]

so you don't instantly drop your own buff

[round cliff]

what does this mean in practice

[lusty grotto]

means no debuffs are dropped, thats about it

[pallid quiver]

You can't retroactively disable some debuffs, and some debuffs hit you through evasion

[cerulean tusk]

Bubble in PvE got more flex, turtle is a pure evasion mechanic

[round pendant]

I gave that context multiple times 😔

[lusty grotto]

no you did not

because your point is

[pallid quiver]

Also, for things that can spell steal/dispell/etc, it means bubble is more at risk than turtle. That mostly only matters in PvP, to be fair, but

[round pendant]

Yes?

[lusty grotto]

and if the context is title range, congratulations, now less people will get title

because you just cut a huge portion of the rankings

on a whim

[round cliff]

any raid mechanic id want to turtle is probably not gonna put a killer debuff on me tho

like soaks

u can turtle most soaks

right

u just get the "cant soak" debuff after

[round pendant]

And if you ARE trying to measure it (which we were by saying whether or not yoda is good or bad) then it makes zero sense to include people in that pool who could literally get there by chance with zero effort or skill on their part

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, as you evade the effect, or "immune" it

[lusty grotto]

measure what

say it

what are you measuring?

skill?

[round pendant]

I'm not saying blizzard should change the title range to top 0.1% of people above 2500 either lmao

[lusty grotto]

are you measuring skill using r.io score?

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, like Funky said, it'll generally work for most soaks

[cerulean tusk]

Why are you guys talking about morality?

[lusty grotto]

what are you measuring yam

[round cliff]

we're warriors the most moral class

[round pendant]

American reading comprehension strikes again

[pallid quiver]

There's a few specific things where Blizz just says "fuck you in particular" but in general, they'll both work for "immuning" mechs

[lusty grotto]

ad hominem

say what youre measuring

answer the question

[round pendant]

I already did

lmao

[lusty grotto]

say it again

what are you measuring?

[round pendant]

"it" is explicitly referring to something you said

There's no confusion here.

[lusty grotto]

can you answer the question?

[round pendant]

Nah get more upset

[lusty grotto]

ad hominem again

[round pendant]

lmao

[cerulean tusk]

Yam just lost a lot of good faith points

[pallid quiver]

Then your conversation is over, both of you, please; I'm not sure if Fruiter's gonna ask more about the thing, but

I'd prefer while people might ask questions that there's not fights going on

[round pendant]

Man's spamming me to say a word when he already knows what I'm saying

[lusty grotto]

as you wish Luerce

[cerulean tusk]

Fruiter is a regular tho, it is fine

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, but the amount of text being posted can push questions off the table

it's a pain for me to scroll up and spot it

[cerulean tusk]

Don't worry, we catch 99.9% of questions, and sprouts gets tons of love and water

❤️

[lusty grotto]

no u

[cerulean tusk]

There is nothing come back from thay

I am ded

[lusty grotto]

[round pendant]

oh I even said the word in the message he replied to too

that's fucking cringe

[pallid quiver]

sprouts get a health amount of skepticism from me since like half I've seen or something have actually been bad raid leads disguising themselves as a newbie warrior trying to get us to rail on a player they don't like

[warm plinth]

I killed a king

[pallid quiver]

based

need me to bury the body?

[pallid quiver]

you can't come in here and post things about garou, man, i'll be tempted to get the new one

[solid sun]

What game is that?

[pallid quiver]

and I haven't actually played a fight game in a hot minute since all my fight game friends have stopped fight gaming

[solid sun]

Looks very... bright

[warm plinth]

It's the new Runescape survival game, Dragonwilds

[solid sun]

Oh! I've heard good things about that one

[warm plinth]

I think I got the image mid lightning strike; that's why it's so bright

The zone that's in is called Stormtouched Highlands so, lots of lightning XD

[round pendant]

yuck

Runescape that's barely Runescape 😔

[warm plinth]

Idk. Friend of mine is a big OSRS nerd and while there are things that are not runescape, he still really likes the game.

[solid sun]

I think Runescape has earned the ability to branch out. They been doing the same thing for one gazillion years

[warm plinth]

There are definitely yucky parts of the game, but I really like it

[round pendant]

The most runescapey thing I saw in it was a goblin that looked like an rs goblin

everything else felt very not-runescape

but idk I haven't played it or watched much

[warm plinth]

It's also early access (and early into the early access at that), so I'm not expecting fireworks at this point.

[round pendant]

Are there fireworks when you level up?

[warm plinth]

I've never played Runescape of any type

[solid sun]

Don't need fireworks when you have lightning strikes like that

[warm plinth]

Until this

There's a toast when you level a skill, but no fireworks lol

[round pendant]

@lusty grotto sorry for the ad hominem (fallacy fallacy btw) but don't patronize me next time

[round pendant]

fireworks when you level up is like the fundamental runescape thing

😔

https://tenor.com/view/osrs-level-up-old-school-runescape-runescape-gif-27498720

[warm plinth]

Yeah, honestly not sure how I even play the game without fireworks every time I level a skill

[round pendant]

Yeah I'd get a refund

[solid sun]

Today was a bad m+ day

We got roasted in a 13 floodgate

[round pendant]

Which part?

[solid sun]

Big heckin' Mama

[round pendant]

Yeah that's the hard part

I'm gonna guess low dps

[pallid quiver]

A non-zero amount of people leverage pulls to pull her near the start so they can lust

I ain't played the last 2 weeks, though, so I can't tell you if people are actively doing that or not, though

[solid sun]

We usually angle to the left at the start and skip that mech and pull that first platform with the group on the backside and lust that whole pull

I was thinking about trying to pull other stuff between that and Big mama so I could have that first pull lust + lust on her

[round pendant]

are you premade?

what exactly happened on big momma tho

too many cycles?

[solid sun]

People seemingly randomly dying

Healer said he had to pop too many cd’s before the second aoe damage + vuln phase and had nothing for that portion on the second attempt

Also she got her shield bubble thing. Idk if that’s normal or a sign of low dps but it did feel like the little sniper robot dudes existed for a while

I also def underestimated how many times I’d have to live through an electrocrush

[round pendant]

I don't think you should ever run out of defensives for electrocrush

not sure tho never took that long on the fight

spell block works btw, covers two of them I think?

[solid sun]

Seemed like the dot itself was always just kind of forever rotting me away

[round cliff]

its real!

[bleak breach]

Do you guys run BSV in high Priory?

Highest I’ve done is 13 and first boss was rough. I was just fighting for my life the whole time.

I think I’m going to swap to it once I venture into keys above 13/14 anyway

[round pendant]

it's nice

[main blade]

What's the cleanest way to gather the priory big pool (4 footman +2 fountain packs + knight + miniboss) I always feel like i take too much when gathering and find myself at 30% when arriving to the corner

[lusty grotto]

yea

[lusty grotto]

pretty normal to dip im not sure you should be at 30% just make sure youre facing the sharpshooters or else you cant block the shots

[main blade]

Oof I didnt take that into account that might help thx, i dont always drop that low but it happened a few times might be backshots from sharpshooters

[lusty grotto]

yeah i dip some in that first pull

just have pot ready cause usually were leaping way far ahead of the healer

and algari healing pots are great for it

also you can try to ask for a pre external

i dont depend on it but it helps in both that and cinderbrew

[main blade]

Yeah, scary to drop low as prot war when I do i feel like i could of prevent it

[lusty grotto]

yeah its usually due to the footmen putting the shattered defenses thing on us

once we're in place, its a lot more controllable

but not blocking sharpshooters while running + shattered defenses does indead chunk

and the knight bleed

[main blade]

Yep, thanks I will be more careful on those, will help a lot

[lusty grotto]

[main blade]

<--dwarf 🌝

[crisp ocean]

Can you play prot with arms gear?

[topaz verge]

Just started gearing up a prot warrior alt yesterday and i am noting being raged starved compared to 11.0 its making it harder to establish threat on secondary targets . Is this a bit of a thing now or is it because i'm undergeared?

[mighty valley]

you’re probably pressing IP too much and starving yourself of SS resets

how under geared are we talking

[topaz verge]

640 in 9s

still doing like 1.4m overall though

doesn't seem like my damage is low, just my threat

[mighty valley]

damage is threat… are you just struggling at the start of pulls? we are one of the worst tanks at gathering

[ionic fern]

Wdym. Just Thane and clap.

[mighty valley]

I shan’t be doing that

[jagged gust]

I miss thunderblast 😦

[ionic fern]

Fun fact,you can still MT.

[sick grotto]

Same i miss thunder blasting as well and the back to back shield slams felt good

[jagged pier]

just play MT then

[topaz verge]

it is just on pulls, is it just because we're not taking the extra range on thunderclap now?

[ionic fern]

It's because most people play Colossus now without UF. Colossus can't spam TC to gather packs easily while maintaining threat. You need to spread out your abilities,e.g TC one pack,Revenge another etc.

But once the packs are gathered you should have 0 issues since Colossuses damage output is solid.

[lilac widget]

guys i got 2500 last night, and it seems ot have unlocked not just the special effect on shoulders

but a whole new off-black color variant?

is this true or did i get that color from somewhere else?

[vital vale]

you get the special effect version of the colors that dont have it, and the none special effect version of the colors that do have it by default, which are the mythic version and elite version, but you need the default version unlocked first to use the alternate one you just got

so you do need to get the black color variant of 1800 pvp rating to be able to use the none special effect version of it from 2.5k io

i hope i explaiend it well

[lilac widget]

yeah thing is, i dont have 1800

[hot orbit]

Hello everyone. I would like some advice from you guys on how to manage aggro well. It happened yesterday, for example, in the first pull of Cinderbrew +10 that I group the mobs and after a while I lose threat (normally I take half a room except the miniboss). How do I maintain threat especially when I have powerful dps that do a lot of aoe damage? In addition to obviously spamming Thunder Clap. I play Colossus

[lilac widget]

but i can use the black none special effect version

ohhh i see

is this just the mythic tier without the effect?

much cooler

[lofty glen]

what do you think is a nice trinked to have for tanking? i only have energydrink and pacemaker and want to farm another trinked (pls a defensif trinked 😄 )

[unborn island]

Bombsuit for def

Ringing ritual mud is okay, but situational

[lofty glen]

not able to get this one sadly. or is it on hero track also nice?

[ionic fern]

You spam Revenge as Colossus.

Not TC.

SS to generate rage on CD. tC to spread Rend (or when no SS procs and low on rage), and send majority of your rage on Revenge.

[unborn island]

If you need a Def trinket, yes

Although imo you don't need a Def trinket at all, but depends what content you're doing

[hot orbit]

Eh when rage allows it we spam Revenge

[ionic fern]

If your rage does not allow Revenge spam as Colossus you are doing something wrong.

[lofty glen]

i am going for 13+ and thinked about getting def trinkeds so magic dmg is a bit easyer to sustain

[unborn island]

You don't really need one, just better play 🙂

[lofty glen]

well i am pugging and i realy have no luck with my healers. but i cleared raid in HC so ill buy bombsuit when able

[unborn island]

Yeah, the healers can be problematic in pugs, especially at that range. If you're having difficulty I'd suggest taking BSV instead of indom, as it catches you when you misplay or the healer switches off brain.

I know there's a lot of people who have pugged quite high just using offensive trinkets though, so I wouldn't say a defensive one should be necessary.

[mystic perch]

Sorry if this is a stupid question. I also find myself rage started a lot. I feel like when MT was meta, i never had rage issues and was told to button mash ignore pain. now if i do it. i just have zero rage/ i See you mention spamming revenge, did something change?

[lofty glen]

i have BSV since i pugged 10s XD

[sharp gale]

Going to this season they removed some rage sources / like they moved the more rage on shield slam from impenetrable wall to the colossus tree, slight nerfed shield slam resets

Nothing changed on the rotation, you IP to rage dump as thane and as colossus, it’s just you have more rage to dump as thane

Since as colossus revenge has higher prio over TC

[mystic perch]

I see I see, why are people saying revenge spam? ahhhh

[sharp gale]

Because you IP to rage dump, if you don’t have rage to dump, you press revenge

Sry I’m on the phone lel

[cerulean tusk]

Execute is my max prio, no matter what

Makes my brain feel good when I press

[sharp gale]

When I’m in raid execute window I shutter a little bit bc EXECUTE

[ionic fern]

[sharp gale]

Not my gift cards

[jagged pier]

mwahi fast today

https://tenor.com/view/flash-run-fast-gif-26117167

[ionic fern]

Pay me 50 euro,I'll forward the link.

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/brad-pitt-deal-yeah-right-agreed-i-would-make-that-deal-gif-15679299

[crisp gull]

Is it normal that I don't cast many revenges in a key ? Like when I compare myself to top logs keys I am just not casting them because I upkeep the Ignore pain / shield etc and there is not much room to spare for revenge

( I started playing prot literally yesterday )

( Just chilling at 630 item level in 6/7s without 2 or 4 set )

[keen vine]

wiht low ilvl you dont have allot of rage so dont compare yourself to geared people :p

[indigo hawk]

You are probably using IP top much, just use it when you are at like 80+ rage. Otherwise use rage on shield block and revenge

[white dragon]

I started tanking this weekend and I have the same issue. The cause seems like overcasting IP as you said. I don't know how can I survive without using it though. Best key I was able to time was +9 floodgate on 640.

[manic sage]

Just play more, you get a feeling for it. With more gear your ip lasts longer and yoz got more rage to use on revenge

[crisp gull]

Oh good to know then.

[crisp gull]

Is it really the case ? I thought that it must be always up so I press it if I don't have it or it is low

I was really tanky though haha

[manic sage]

You can have it up nearly all the time and spam revenge anyway with more gear

[crisp gull]

oh that explains then !

I am going to get more gear then....

but is it the same thing in like 18 then ?

that I must use more rage on ignore pain again ?

( Just example, not gonna push that high )

[white dragon]

To have shield block up all the time, is 4 set necessary?

[crisp gull]

not for me.

I have like 2 seconds gaps

plenty of time between pulls

without even 2set

[white dragon]

It must be my talents then

[crisp gull]

remember about this one

but after a bit there is a bit of downtime maaybe tbf

with really long pulls

or chains

[manic sage]

You can have sb up all the time without 4pc, if you talent heavy reoercussion

[crisp gull]

dunno if I want to lose 8% haste though

don;t really feel like it's worth it

[white dragon]

Yep, seems like better gear will make it better

[manic sage]

Also use spell reflect and spell block, saves ip stacks. There are wa's for both

[sharp gale]

If you can’t maintain shield block….

[indigo hawk]

Whatever the stuff you have, you want to use IP to not cap on rage. That’s all, so use it only when you got 80 or more rage. And you should do that on mythic 0 to +18

[vital vale]

yes, but if you scroll all the way down in your shoulder appearance tab, you will see this highlighted in red, which means you have obtained this appearance but its locked and you cannot use it

if you get 1800 in pvp and unlock the alternate version of this, then this one will unlock as well

[crisp gull]

Thanks !!!!!!! that is huge difference for me then

[crisp gull]

Also true

[vital vale]

in fact if you scroll down to shoulders / helm on any class you will see the same for their tier sets. its collected but not unlocked until you collect their primary appearance

[crisp gull]

I want to do a key now so much...

[sharp gale]

You can modify your rage bar to have an indicator when you are above 70-80 rage if you really want, I have it on my bdk when I have enough rp to double death strike (I put it at 75 as example)

[crisp gull]

that is also nice. I am doing my own wa pack like always so I will add it I think

[humble rose]

What's the best way to deal with Fluxflame's (3rd Boss on Motherlode) "Melee" attack?

I was doing a +12 yesterday, and the ~6 million autos going straight through shield block felt awful - Spell Block can only cover so long. Spam Ignore Pain?

This was as Colossus

[ionic fern]

That boss spends most of its time afk'ing. The time that you actually get autod should be covered by CD.s

[humble rose]

Previously I've cleared it but left it more or less up to the healers, Mitigated about 40% of the damage according to logs, but I'd like to help out more if the healer isn't the best geared or specced

I suppose it's my management then, keeping them rolling at the right times

[ionic fern]

Just don't overlap.

You can also actively save DS for it if needed.

[round pendant]

It's worth it if you don't have 100% uptime on SB (you need 16k-ish haste + 4pc, or 18k haste without 4pc to use ITF)

[crisp gull]

oh okay. Gonna try it then

for now I am 630 - 10k haste no set pieces so gonna take it

[round pendant]

yeah

definitely don't use ITF just yet lmao

[unborn island]

Spellblock, from the start, SR the final melee before she re-casts the poop, both walls on the next one, demo shout, and then Spellblock should be back up when you need it

[crisp gull]

will do ! It is kinda fun learning tank in 7/8+ with low gear.

hopefully can do higher than that soon

tbf... 630 is not that low

[unborn island]

630 is pretty low for now, so 7/8s are pretty good going at that ilvl. Many people were higher than that at the very start of the season :). On the plus side I guess healers and spa might be 660+ so life might be a lot easier 🙂

[round pendant]

yeah 630 is low

it's like last season's gear

[prime sphinx]

anyone know if u can do bomb on gallywix without being drakthyr by just running fast?

[jagged pier]

do u mean mythic?

or what bomb

[prime sphinx]

ye

[jagged pier]

well theres no floor

[prime sphinx]

last bomb

[jagged pier]

so no

the recue would have to be stupid fast

well as far as i understand the fight its a no

[covert helm]

You can do it with a potion of gusts

https://youtu.be/e-7Rum6gnyU?si=2VcpPNtbA5eVELF5&t=465

You can see it here

You just do a countdown for the gripper, jump, press potion of gusts, get gripped back

[prime sphinx]

ok nice ty

[covert helm]

Just keep in mind potion of gusts shares cd with dps pots

So you only dps pot on pull

[prime sphinx]

yeah

[covert helm]

And then save pot cd for the jump

[solid sun]

I think blizzard should pay tank players some kind of salary

That way I don’t have to go back to work every Monday morning

[jagged pier]

they wont they get money every tier from tanks having to change race

[solid sun]

lol

[jagged pier]

far too much for an automated service too

[solid sun]

Do you change your race every tier?

[jagged pier]

they would actually get more money from them if they reduced the price and had FF pricing $5 dollars

so many more ppl would swap

[jagged pier]

only when required too by mechanics

[solid sun]

You don’t strike me as a race changer

[jagged pier]

i have to change for mug'zee

[solid sun]

I don’t mythic raid so I’m ignorant here. What’s that for? Void elf for teleport?

[jagged pier]

nope human

so i can afk in the fire and get stunned to save room

because we dont have a prot paladin

[solid sun]

Ooooohh

Did you become a gnome or robot gnome for spider queen last tier?

[jagged pier]

no because warrior just spell reflected the roots

and u could leap over the circles at the end

[solid sun]

Nice. Free tier!

[jagged pier]

so no need for void elf or anything

[odd comet]

did we get a spark this week from anything?

[lusty grotto]

yes

weekly quest is always the half spark

i think its the titan pieces weekly, i could be wrong -- we're up to 4 full sparks by this week, next reset is catalyst

[shut raft]

Weird question about prot warrior: is anyone putting ignore pain on a macro?

I rolled a prot warrior and it seems a lot harder than my BDK.

[lusty grotto]

no

[round pendant]

press ignore pain at 80+ rage

that's all you need to know (in regards to ip)

[lusty grotto]

also dont overvalue IP

SB is vastly more important

[tame quest]

Is ignore pain worth spamming during heavy magic damage or bleed? Basically when you see your ignore pain being chunked away

[lusty grotto]

magic damage? no, use spell block, it covers most of the cases

bleeds? depends

a DR will do far more than an IP

[round pendant]

Only in the rare case where you've already used all your other mitigation

spamming IP kinda fucks you over defensively

[lusty grotto]

wall/demo/punish stacks

trinkets/BSV

even demolish applies DR

spamming IP just for spamming will get you killed faster if you're starved and your SB is about to run out

we never want to be rage starved

[sharp gale]

You forgor the best cd, last stand 😎

[lusty grotto]

as long as your rage intake is good, you can use IP, sure

its too early for memes, i need coffee Happy

[tame quest]

Btw my aoe damage feels extremely weak compared to say my prot paladin if equal ilvl.

I do the obvious like avatar, dragon roar, shield charge,thunder clap, then do we just spam revenge for aoe damage? Do we ever press whirlwind?

[sharp gale]

Nop

Never ww

With the new hero tree next expac maybe

[cerulean tusk]

Whirlwind isnt touched. Your AoE should feel better, especially when you get that demolish crit go burrrr

[tame quest]

Oh yes I forgot to add demolish into my list above. Is that about it tho? Just use all those buttons then revenge spam?

[sharp gale]

And shield slam

[jagged pier]

u got logs?

[sharp gale]

And thunderclap when you can’t do any of the 2

[tame quest]

In a big aoe pull, would you prioritize using shield slam over revenge? Or does it depend on your current rage?

[lusty grotto]

with tier

you just send SC

even without

[round pendant]

shield slam > all

[lusty grotto]

well, actually without you might wanna wait for avatar/demo shout

[sharp gale]

Me personnally, on really big pulls I just send revenge spam, and I shield slam with outburst

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[sharp gale]

But it requires a lot of targets

[lusty grotto]

we're assuming youre colossus

if youre not, that would explain a lot

[sharp gale]

Oh yeah if you are thane, normal you do no damage

Less*

[lusty grotto]

around 20% less damage in aoe

[rancid tiger]

Monkythane

[lusty grotto]

and if youre thane you shouldn't be using revenge that much

[round pendant]

afaik it's never better to press revenge over ss?

[lusty grotto]

yea

rage generators are higher prio

[round pendant]

and if you're being flooded with rage, press IP+SS button then just go back to spamming revenge

[tame quest]

So again just to clarify, even on a massive pull like first pull in cinderbrew, still use shield slam over revenge even if you're full rage?

[sharp gale]

It is a doubt in my mind the « spam revenge » on my huge pulls

[lusty grotto]

with the exception of TC as colossus

[round pendant]

If you're "full rage" you need to press IP first

otherwise you waste the rage genned by SS

[lusty grotto]

IP is off gcd

you shouldn't be full rage

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs?

jakey asked

[round pendant]

#showtooltip Ignore Pain
/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam

[lusty grotto]

but if we had logs we could tell you accurately what you should correct

[round pendant]

make this your IP button, press it when you're >80 rage

[tame quest]

I do not 😦 but I can try and log next time. Btw im not a high key pusher, just got into prot warrior like a week ago lol.

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

all this advice isnt for any specific key level

can look up your character in WCL? sometimes people log runs, doesnt matter which key

[tame quest]

Let's say you have shield block up, you have majority of your ignore pain still up, and you're approaching full rage, still shield slam even when you have a giant massive pull in front of you? Cause shield slam is a pure single target hit right?

[lusty grotto]

press IP

again, its off gcd

that means you can weave it between GCDs

there's no decision making

[tame quest]

I have no problem pressing shield slam, it's satisfying, just feels weird to do a single target ability in front of a big pack.

[lusty grotto]

you still need rage for revenge

[round pendant]

Consider that it gives you rage to spend and spending rage reduces your CDs and if colossus it lets you press revenge

[lusty grotto]

and SS provides it

[warm plinth]

We don't care about IP status in that context. It could be empty, full, in between

I haven't tracked IP since I started playing pwar back in Legion. It's not necessary.

[lusty grotto]

SS wont be available all the time, you can fill in with revenges

[shut raft]

Tons of great info! I’ll read through, learn, and run some M0’s to get some logs to share. This is a very helpful community!

[lusty grotto]

if youre playing ravager, which you should be, in a huge pack pull, you'll likely have a massive influx of constant rage in which you can just revenge alone

[shut raft]

And yes - Mountain Thane 🙂

[lusty grotto]

but that's a very specific case

[hollow hill]

Is there a guide anywhere on how best to use Tome of Light's Devotion? Just got it last night finally and been messing around with it. I know the goal is to keep it in sword mode as much as possible. Would it be ideal to get into shield mode before starting a pull on a boss in raid, and then immediately use it to shift to sword? Or start in sword, wait until it goes to shield, and then click to shift back to sword?

[lusty grotto]

pins

but yes

you want to be in sword mode

[warm plinth]

Yeah Thane and Colossus have very different playstyles. Thane is very TC focused and presses far fewer revenges. Colossus barely uses TC and spams revenge a lot.

[hollow hill]

Just did 5 minutes on the target dummy and the sword damage proc was 8% of my overall damage lol kinda nutty

[lusty grotto]

its pretty big yes

[warm plinth]

Be careful with dummy tests in general, especially with trinkets

[round pendant]

damn I must be using it wrong

I do keep forgetting about it tbf

[hollow hill]

I'll be testing it out in raid tonight as well!

[warm plinth]

Dummies can and do have weird interactions with a lot of spells and items

You're gonna pewpew

[round pendant]

My tome did 5% of my damage in my last key

that doesn't include the crit buff

actually insane trinket wtf

[hollow hill]

Yea I'm stoked, it should be pretty wild

i've also got maxed out myth track seaforium pacemaker so crits go brrrr

[solid sun]

I know I could just sim but I’m lazy and I haven’t had any coffee yet nor am I home

Should I expect a hero track house of cards to beat out myth track tome and pacemaker for key pushing

[lucid mica]

I dont know if tome behaviour is implemented by default in sims or you have to add the custom thing

[lusty grotto]

depends on the dungeon

its not

thats why we have the pinned custom APL

[tame quest]

Appreciate the responses I got from you guys today. If I have any more questions I'll provide a log as well 🙂

[round pendant]

generating rage = good (as long as you don't cap, use IP to prevent it)
spending rage = good (as long as you don't starve, don't press IP/Revenge to prevent it)

As Anger Management means you get 1s CDR on Avatar and Shield Wall every 10 rage spent

and also Violent Outburst means your shield slams SLAM

[tame quest]

What if your IP is almost "full" so to speak so your next IP press would barely contribute to your total IP? Then can we press revenge?

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

youre overcomplicating things

IP when youre close to cap

thats it

its status doesnt matter

[round pendant]

Overcapping IP isn't something we worry about

Send that shit

[tame quest]

I should mention I am playing colussus as well. 🙂

[round pendant]

You can press revenge if your SS is on cd

But if it's not it's better to ip -> ss

[lusty grotto]

tl;dr: if youre at 70+ rage and your next SS will cap you, you send IP in between the gcd followed up by SS (or Revenge if you have ravager up)

if youre at 30-70 rage you just SS into Revenge constantly (on Thane you only revenge if you need an SS reset, so you would be consuming rage with IP)

if youre at 30 rage, you SS only

you always want to be between 30 and 70 rage

for both colossus and thane, it doesnt matter

the way you consume rage is different for both, but the idea remains

whether IP is up or not, what amount it has, its uptime, and so forth, does not matter

and have as close to 100% SB effective uptime as possible

those are the prot warrior fundamentals

[solid sun]

Nimchip, The Big Fundamental

[sharp gale]

At around 30 rage you kinda throw some thunderclaps depending on context / you will get it with practice

[solid sun]

If anyone is familiar with nba nicknames

[lusty grotto]

yeah Happy is correct

[round pendant]

Yeah when your SS refuses to reset

[tame quest]

Where does our aoe damage come from as colussus? Say you blow all your cooldowns like avatar, demolish, thunder clap, shield charge etc.

I understand pressing IP, I will prioritize it more now. If we do IP and then shield slam, where does the aoe damage come from there?

[sharp gale]

Yeah basically thunderclap is the last resort to reset ss or last resort to give you enough rage to revenge again

[lusty grotto]

kinda feels like youre not understanding the IP part though

its only a priority when your next GCD will rage cap you

[solid sun]

You’re going to press revenge a lot more than IP

[lusty grotto]

^

this should be your breakdown as colossus

[solid sun]

You can rename col. it can be called revenge

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[round pendant]

Yeah the whole point was that IP isn't a concern, it's just to prevent rage capping

But spending rage and generating rage properly is what let's you get your CDs more and spam revenge more

[sharp gale]

*you have to divide by 2 for real revenge casts on logs

If you want a number of casts

Or is it already done ? Bc reverberation

[solid sun]

That’s above my pay grade

I just work here, dude

[lusty grotto]

Nome could answer that, i honestly have no idea

but

[sharp gale]

I just checked on my logs it doesn’t double the casts

[lusty grotto]

this is a sim breakdown at 5 target 1.5 mins

(without the tome apl cause i forgot)

[round pendant]

why is your demolish doing more dam than your revenge

[lusty grotto]

oh nvm it has it on

[round pendant]

mine is always second

🤔

[sharp gale]

Motherlode second boss

And first boss

[round pendant]

oh ig the dungeon matters yeah

I think my breakdown is about right

[sharp gale]

Second boss

[solid sun]

I hate the second boss of ML

My rapscallion ass dps always take forever to kill the empowered rock idiot

[tame quest]

I think this is what I was not understanding. Sorry for the confusion Nimchip

[lusty grotto]

so kill it yourself

[tame quest]

This makes so much more sense now lol

[sharp gale]

I demolish the add and it dies

[round pendant]

damn I only did 2m dps on second boss ML in my last +12

[lusty grotto]

you need to put punish stacks on the add regardless, the boss itself does no damage

[round pendant]

but I think people gotta bait the fixate add better for me to do fat dam on that fight

[solid sun]

I do! I target swap to it and pump into it and it’s still just like yo what’s up

[lusty grotto]

you just move constantly

you follow the fixate add

its not up to the fixated target

its up to you

[round pendant]

should I save my demolish for football phase on first boss ML? 🤔

[lusty grotto]

you want all 3 to be in range of your demolish anyway lol

[sharp gale]

Yeah the boss should be on top of fixated or the fixated should be on top of the boss if you can grab it with your comp

[round pendant]

huh

Weird I never did it like that

lmao

I've been griefing

[solid sun]

And then I went into a +3 ml on my ass rogue and swapped to the empowered add and it just started fighting me because the venge ig wasn’t even targeting it. I’m always tanking the add no matter what I’m playing!

[sharp gale]

Well your melees can’t cc the fixate if it is in Africa

[ionic nimbus]

When Add is kited Good, this Boss insane

[sharp gale]

You know the hunter didn’t kite good

[tame quest]

Nim I think I'm gonna bind IP to my mouse wheel now, should make pressing it much easier if I am rage capping easily

Just spam my mouse wheel 🧠

[sharp gale]

Huuuuuh

[lusty grotto]

uhhh

kinda feels like

[sharp gale]

I imagine him with enough rage to double ip

[frosty mango]

Yes this is definitely a good idea /s

[tame quest]

Spin2win

[lusty grotto]

yeah its a meme

ok the caffeine is taking effect

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[lusty grotto]

MORE POTS

[solid sun]

Better to macro IP into every ability

[frosty mango]

Yes and shield block

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-grohl-yelling-pot-of-coffee-fresh-them-gif-11650171

[sharp gale]

And your kick

[frosty mango]

In fact macro all of your cooldowns and abilities into a castsequence macro

And just autopilot to win

[tame quest]

Maybe I could take IP off my bars to give my healers a challenge. Don't want them sleeping at the wheel.

[sharp gale]

I still have The Button macro

[jagged pier]

[sharp gale]

#protection message

[small steeple]

when was that used? lmao

[sharp gale]

In a 7-8-9-10 last season

City of thread

[jagged pier]

[frosty mango]

I made the point before that if you did it no one would notice

And I stand by that

If you never pressed ignore pain 99% of healers would not notice

[jagged pier]

well that depends what lv of content your doing

[frosty mango]

The content 99% of players are doing

I’d probably notice if my tank wasn’t pressing IP in like, a 15

[jagged pier]

oh for sure

[frosty mango]

But in a 10?

No fucking chance

[jagged pier]

i made this argument about thnae and rev last season when ppl said they were struggling like just removing revenge and ignoring it made a very small difference

[round pendant]

Nah you can definitely feel someone not pressing IP in a 10

[jagged pier]

did a couple of keys to prove my point think i had like 2 dead globals over the dungeons

[round pendant]

Literally tested this exact scenario with my holy priest friend this season

[frosty mango]

That’s because it’s a Hpriest

[round pendant]

yeah I was gonna say maybe it just applies to holy priest

lmao

[frosty mango]

99% of healers not playing them and 99% of players not inviting them lol

[solid sun]

My disc priest friend didn’t notice a difference when we tested that out in a 10

We wanted to see how much IP mattered and we decided not very much

[round pendant]

but he healed me who's good with IP usage and doing dam

[mighty valley]

i'd notice if i didn't press ip since i'd take a dps hit

[frosty mango]

I main priest and you could not pay me enough to run keys as holy, it’s actively griefing 4 other people to do it

[mighty valley]

nightmare

[round pendant]

and my other friend who's not as good at that

and said I am WAY easier to heal

but maybe he was fucking up in other ways too

but he was pressing IP like 3x less than me and I only press it at 80 rage so

[frosty mango]

Hpriest is the ultimate troll healer in keys to play because you can do more dps than any other healer spec but you can’t heal while you do it

It’s like that dude pushing a rock up a hill, I forget his name

[round pendant]

yeah holy is awful but my friend refuses to switch because he cba learning something different (his words)

I wish he'd just go resto druid or something it's so comfy to play with

[frosty mango]

Your friend is dumb, disc has 4 buttons it’s 10 times easier to play in keys

[round pendant]

It's not about difficulty

It's laziness

lol

[solid sun]

I bet if I swapped my shadow priest to disc I’d see way more than 4 buttons

[frosty mango]

Yea but you only gotta press 4 of them to heal

[small steeple]

sisyphus

[frosty mango]

Yea that guy

[small steeple]

cba?

[round pendant]

My friend is definitely sisyphus

Keeps pushing that holy priest boulder up the hill

He's not happy though

[round pendant]

can't be arsed

[sharp gale]

I did a key with no source of shield block but it was a 7 top

[frosty mango]

Speaking of terrible off meta specs, I had an Aug try to sneak into my 15

Append as dev, then changed specs when timer was going down

Caught his sneaky dragon ass tho

[lusty grotto]

roid i have a question

[small steeple]

Fuck I had that happen to me. Twice in a row from the same guy. I forgot to block him so when a dev and ele sham applied I took em

[frosty mango]

Yes, maybe, and if I did I didn’t mean it

[round pendant]

In fact I think IP is STRONGER in lower keys

[lusty grotto]

does beacon of virtue show up in details aura

[round pendant]

so not using it is more noticeable for the healer

it smoothes everything out

[lusty grotto]

and if it does, is there a reason why an HPal isnt using it?

[round pendant]

just don't invite evokers lmao

dunno why you'd take one over any other lust class

[solid sun]

I wish my devoker friend would play mage or smth

[sharp gale]

Ppl in lowers keys run bsv in a +5 and still getting ass clapped, ip is not noticeable when I heal a 10, even tho I see the absorb on my thing

[solid sun]

Everything ends up dying evenly with very little prio damage and none of my sword icon mates seem to be able to fix it

[frosty mango]

I’d have to check if it does or not but I never see anyone running bob

Bov

Because faith is much more reliable

[lusty grotto]

what are hpals running?

ah

i see

[round pendant]

So even if they're doing everything else correctly, IP is not noticeable?

It's still a few hundred mil of mitigated damage over the span of a key

[frosty mango]

Over the course of 40 minutes, much of which is probably just healer overhealing

[lusty grotto]

so what youre saying is, that in DFC 2nd boss, an hpal should be able to keep up HPS for it without Virtue

[frosty mango]

Just because ip is doing effective healing doesn’t mean it would not otherwise be healed

[frosty mango]

Uh is that the fire boss?

[lusty grotto]

no

3rd boss?

yeah 3rd boss

[sharp gale]

Maybe it’s bc I’m healing as rdruid, any tank in 10 I don’t see their hp move, I’m thinking if pwar took double damage to their hp i wouldn’t notice it

[frosty mango]

Candle boss?

[round pendant]

I get this but it's basically an extra 20% more healing the healer will have to do

[lusty grotto]

candle king

[frosty mango]

You’re assuming they are not already doing it

Which they almost certainly are

[frosty mango]

I’d imagine faith would be better there because the real danger is low health people not overall hps

[lusty grotto]

ok

i was on a funny pug run during the weekend

[sharp gale]

Or 20% less overheal

[lusty grotto]

and the guy couldnt keep peope up

but the funny part is

this mage refused to stack

[frosty mango]

I disc there if I’m healing and imo it really just depends on if people do mechs

[lusty grotto]

and he dropped dead and said this

[frosty mango]

In 14s sometimes I do 3m+ sometimes it’s like 1.8

[lusty grotto]

i was fukcing laughing

reminded me of of the 2nd vdh gif

big

[round pendant]

I mean overheal is a point but there's certainly points where the healer can be stressed and you not using IP is definitely gonna be noticeable I think

but I mean depends on the healer spec

[lucid mica]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif

[lusty grotto]

yeah that one

[round pendant]

maybe holy priest just sucks but my friend certainly noticed a diff

Doesn't REALLY matter since not using IP is just playing wrong anyway

[lusty grotto]

lol

[frosty mango]

Yes take it from a Hpriest raid main, it does suck in keys, incredibly