that alone would incentivize a little bit of pugging
#protection
dusky canopy
If the degen race folks want to waste there lives splitting mythic let them
They clear the raid in the first two weeks regardless
cerulean tusk
Remove lockout after HoF is closed, to still have being in a guild have some status. Then free it up for PuGing?
tropic tangle
What's the negative to removing it altogether?
cerulean tusk
Ppl will start to hammer their head against the content as a PuGer, jumping group to group, trying to find that golden booster run
dusky canopy
The only negative is it de incentivizes “teaming up”
Pug playstyle doesn’t seem to appeal to them based off comments they’ve made during various interviews
lusty grotto
at least not in the same sense
dusky canopy
Well yes it is it’s just a smaller form factor
cerulean tusk
months of prog, vs 20min
dusky canopy
You lock to the key with 5 people
If you fail it it deranks
You’re just not locked for the whole week
I get that
tropic tangle
and? you can still team up for hours and hours with your guild - assuming you're able to outperform weekly pugs
lusty grotto
idk what people you raid with but
i do a lot of community raiding
and removing a lockout would be a big plus
cerulean tusk
Sure, also great for boosters
lusty grotto
because if you wipe on a 4th boss, and timmy the idiot leaves
you can replace
so what
you gotta take the good with the bad
no system is perfect
tropic tangle
as if the boosters aren't feasting right now anyway?
dusky canopy
I agree the lockout is annoying and should leave I’m just saying why I think they still have it is all
cerulean tusk
We are really happy right now
Dinars gonna grant me a lot of gold
Already got a que of ppl
dusky canopy
Yeah just wait the demand for mythic last 3 is going to be insanely high
So will the price due to that
lofty warren
If this is going into 11.2 I'll probably unsub game not for anyone who doesn't want to waist time in 20 man shit shoozefest
hoary pike
?
the difference between u timing a key and not timing is not myth trinket vs not myth trinket
game doesnt end just cause u cant dinar myth raid gear
dusky canopy
No but it’s a incredibly negative feeling to not have access to the same gear level as others doing the same content as you
dusky canopy
Yes they are mythic plus dungeons
cerulean tusk
M+'ers are going to have to do raid now, or be trollin'. If they at all are trying to be serious.
hoary pike
u cant say exactly when the person who typed that sells carries man
lusty grotto
my opinion is that's not true
cause again
items from keys this season are competitive
if they werent competitive, this would be a WHOLE different argument
cerulean tusk
Am I wrong tho?
Just because I profiteer on the situation, doesn't make my take wrong :v
lusty grotto
as long as there's good items in the dungeon pool, its not a big deal
dusky canopy
Idk I think all the dungeon trinkets are hot garbage this tier
lofty warren
Blizz want ppl to buy boosts and tokens so they put the deterministic best gear behind buying boost content
dusky canopy
Everything else is just different started pieces nothing special
lusty grotto
pacemaker and tome are hot garbage?
your 2nd BIS weapon is from keys
as arms
its all competitive
dusky canopy
Tome for tanks sure I’m not speaking from a tanking perspective
dusky canopy
Pacemaker is ok but is outshined by both of the raid trinkets
And a delve trinket lmao
lusty grotto
yes
cerulean tusk
Blizz want ppl to buy boosts and tokens so they put the deterministic best gear ...
Think this is a part reason, but not the main reason. Main reason is to have a feel good failsafe for raid loot.
... that said, ye, I doubt the money they know will be made gonna be ignored when this was decided.
hoary pike
u can still have those raid trinkets btw
lusty grotto
thats a different argument
hoary pike
ya but what does that u stop u from doing
lusty grotto
whether this bad luck protection should apply to items from keys
completely different thing
dusky canopy
It’s not about what it prevents you from doing
It’s about feel
And it feels bad
For anyone who cannot commit to mythic raid
dusky canopy
(This doesn’t effect me btw I CE raid)
dusky canopy
Just stating what Ive heard others complain about
cerulean tusk
Ofc, it is overblown. But if you ever fail your timer by a few sec...
lusty grotto
tf you need from raid? bomb suit and HoC?
cerulean tusk
should have mythic raided
lofty warren
I'm surprised they didn't also announce that m+ row in great vault will be capped at championship track gear and end of loot only drops green gear
lusty grotto
the people that DO NOT raid are very few and far in between
dusky canopy
Look at tettles he’s a prime example,
Decided to take the tier off from mythic raiding and focus on pushing M+
Now look where that’s got him
cerulean tusk
Well, not raiding is already a huge gear handicap
cerulean tusk
Dinar is more just a handicap, nothing more, and it isnt bigger than not raiding at all. It just feels worse for M+ers, as they are getting shafted.
hoary pike
feels fine for me
dusky canopy
Not having access to the best in slot items as a M+ only player is just bad in my opinion, doesn’t matter how you swing it
cerulean tusk
Sure, I also find it to be fair. Doesnt mean I dont understand why ppl feel what they do.
lusty grotto
huh
cerulean tusk
You are set in your ways, that has been clear since word 1 :v
lusty grotto
being empathic has nothing to do with it
can chose not to be empathic when the argument isnt really sound
cerulean tusk
Well, we talking feeling, empathy is the ability to understand anothers feelings. No?
lusty grotto
youre making a broad assumption about his character
lusty grotto
you arent just empathic to EVERYTHING
cerulean tusk
I can only judge his character based on his words, the intent and the message pushed
I stand by what I said
lusty grotto
shrug
lusty grotto
im primarily a M+ player
and i dont see the big deal
my guild isnt in CE territory, far from it
its 2/8M, you TWO
cerulean tusk
Same, but I dont push, nor am I in truth closed out from going mythic if I want to
lusty grotto
you TWO do far more in raid
cerulean tusk
Yet, I can udnerstand those who aint in my position wont feel the same way
dusky canopy
I guess to counter my own statement above, on the other hand it’s kind of nice to have mythic items that are considered hard to get since I will have access to them and a large portion of the player base will not
Almost acts like a legendary back in the day
People inspect you in town and they’re like Hollyy this guy owns
cerulean tusk
Legendary was what 7-8%, a bit more
dusky canopy
Sorta thing
dusky canopy
I get that just a reference
lusty grotto
i understand
cerulean tusk
Fair, but the impact is magnitudes different
I wont deny both might feel equally bad. But in practise? One handicap is not like the other
Like not having a finger, vs a hand
Also, guys, if you could que up a 17 to my group. I been looking for quite a while now
Plx
lusty grotto
brew and me are NA 🙂
dusky canopy
Ngl I’m confident I could go a bit higher I just stop wasting my time once time spent in lfg is greater than a whole dungeon timer
lusty grotto
yeah i feel that
cerulean tusk
Put mythic loot at +15s I’ll be there
lofty warren
Put mythic loot at +15s I’ll be there
No they don't want ppl to abandon raid. If m+ gave good loot then everyone would leave
nocturne spindle
dusky canopy
No they don't want ppl to abandon raid. If m+ gave good loot then everyone would...
Exactly
solid sun
Oh if they did myth track gear farmable from 15s
I’d have such mixed emotions
I’d be so excited until I realized my squad and I weren’t good enough
sharp gale
No they don't want ppl to abandon raid. If m+ gave good loot then everyone would...
i don't think you abandon myth raiding if m+ gave myth tracks
unborn island
Idk, I kinda get why it's not farmable, and I reckon it's probably a good thing. As for the Dinars, I was excited to be able to get a mythic Titan of Industry/Bombsuit/diamond/HoC or whatever, but now it's just another thing I dont have to think about as I'll never do mythic.
I don't think any of those drops would be material improvements for me, although it might be worth doing one for a heroic Bombsuit I guess
chilly brook
every single key pusher already raids as it is
If they didn’t have to they probably wouldn’t
lusty grotto
some of them, sure
lusty grotto
but thats because of how blizzard intentionally designs items to be stronger when they drop from raid
its not due to any other reason
chilly brook
Either way the dinar system is actively bad
bright oyster
i don't think you abandon myth raiding if m+ gave myth tracks
nope, it'd be relatively the same as it is now, just less stress about shit vaults every tues/wed
solid sun
I wouldn’t quit mythic raiding if keys gave mythic loot
But that’s because I already don’t mythic raid :)
sharp gale
nope, it'd be relatively the same as it is now, just less stress about shit vaul...
yeah bc like half people getting CE are max ilvl before the 6-7-last boss
small steeple
looks like I had some crazy execute damage. Might have got the buff from the coin a lot, can't tell though
ok yeah i had 32% High Roller uptime
lucid mica
Do you recommend any YouTuber that posts prot keys/streams?
wooden widget
lusty grotto
depending on kill times, it can be more dps
long kill time = thane can shine in execute range
other than that, no
lusty grotto
yeah no, spell block does work there which is not thane exclusive
small steeple
Do you recommend any YouTuber that posts prot keys/streams?
all the old prot youtubers/steramers I used to know stoped playing warrior in the time I took my break
oak ivy
do we just do giga single target damage
small steeple
prot war just does great damage
lucid mica
Cool im watching it now thank you nimchip and badkad!
bleak breach
Is it only Prot war the tome doesn’t sim properly for without the manual script?
Just looking at other tanks on bloodmallet and it seems right for them?
Like BDK on blood mallet it’s nearly double or is it even better for them than that?
lusty grotto
good question
hard to know without a way to check their sims
afaik they dont post their sim report
sharp gale
yeah no, spell block does work there which is not thane exclusive
The issue is, you need the last stand shield block on the zug zug jug+35% execute, no Spell block
(Tbf I tried it and I was not getting blasted when I was active tanking in battle stance without shield block)
lusty grotto
The issue is, you need the last stand shield block on the zug zug jug+35% execut...
hes very clearly not in a parse reclear mode
sharp gale
But after couple pulls I reswitched to regular build/ no monk buff so it was not big reward
sharp gale
Well, the only reason to go thane is the zug zug build
lusty grotto
thats exactly what i said
sharp gale
The boss does no damage, he should choose whatever he is comfy to do mechanics, (smashing buttons on the moving carpet or during magnet in a 2 inch space with 2 death beam killing a prot under every cd possible in 0.001 sec )
lusty grotto
he only asked if there's a reason
i gave the only answer, there's nothing else to add
sharp gale
The other reason is if he is comfier to do the boss in thane, he should imo, bc it is something
lusty grotto
i disagree
sharp gale
How?
lusty grotto
you only need spell block for it
theres 2 magic damage mechanics outside of it, and they are dodgeable
so thane provides 0 difference defensivewise
sharp gale
Idk he told me every ppal takes it, I let him do it
And every time I asked during prog if he wants me to take this one, he refused
lusty grotto
i think it does no damage to ams? i could be wrong
sharp gale
I think the only time I took one I just leaped far, in a beam, bc I never took it so I don’t know where the beams are
I will hide this information so I can keep zug zug the boss, but monk buff L
fallow fern
Not sure what to take.. Heroic HoC (I have Champ), or Mythic Helm (I have Heroic)..?
lusty grotto
myth helm probably
fallow fern
HoC has speed.. but eh
lusty grotto
dinars is a thing and youve killed the boss
eager steppe
lol did you guys see battlenet says they are getting ddos attack, people so angry with the dinars
sharp gale
Yes since December-January, blizzard gets ddos
near salmon
how do you guys deal with Taskmaster askari in motherlode? I died to this in +13.
mortal cypress
how do you guys deal with Taskmaster askari in motherlode? I died to this in +13...
What boss number is that
mortal cypress
Ah, thanks
lusty grotto
just dont be a versa gamer lmao
mighty valley
if it's gonna die slow and you're desperate you can leap away to let stacks reset
hoary pike
does anyone happen to have a max rank swarmlords..
lusty grotto
a myth 6/6 swarm you mean?
hoary pike
ya
lusty grotto
what do you need to know
hoary pike
i just wanna see how much healing it does in 1 dungeon
lusty grotto
oh you can just look at logs
hoary pike
i can search logs based on trinket??
hoary pike
i mean like current season using it
in like a 12
im debating getting my guild to do a run for it but i would like to see that it DOESNT work before i do that
lusty grotto
im not sure why youre even considering it
max hero does like 60k hps
max champ does like 60k hps LMAO
so...
idk seems like a huge waste of time lmao
if i was your guild i just wouldn't
hoary pike
mmm
lusty grotto
dropping main stat for a lousy HPS trinket in today's standards
with s1 levels of haste lol
leech alone does double its HPS nowadays
maybe im missing something but it feels more like inting than anything
neon elk
Also iirc u cant have it at max rank, can u ?
hoary pike
u cant anymore
like if u did myth now it'd be stuck at 4/6 myth
i guess my brain just thinks that if a +17 avg hit is 700K and that's giving u a buffer shield of 350K over your IP it seems pretty decent
neon elk
Honestly i think if it was that strong we will see people abusing it already
hoary pike
it seems like everyone is more focused on damage trinkets, because we dont really need more hps/defensive
hoary pike
ya i have bomb suit
but in the top 5 sense is the only one running those
the rest are all dps trinkets
neon elk
But if even highest keys are done without any deff trinket, thats even more reason to drop your swarmlord idea no?
hoary pike
i think that im not trying to min max my parse and what is needed rather than, can this work and make me even more consistently tanky
sharp gale
i guess my brain just thinks that if a +17 avg hit is 700K and that's giving u a...
Yeah average hit is 700k but 10 dudes are bashing your shield
lusty grotto
its a shield
you wont be more consistently tanky cause youre dropping a primary or secondary stat
neon elk
Like its your sub and time, u do u , but to me it looks like a waste of time , but if your guild would enjoy a reclear of old raid, go ahead and have fun
lusty grotto
and primary and secondary stats have defensive value
700k shield to complement a 4 million IP is weird
hoary pike
i think it probably gets outweighed defensively by kezan
i didnt think about how mainstat would effect our mitigation
lusty grotto
yeah well
strength not only increases parry, it increases AP
and AP factors into IP
and leech
sharp gale
the rest are all dps trinkets
i'm checking on raider.io, the 2 chinese dudes are using dps trinkets but bobas and sense, bombsuit and pika mud
lusty grotto
also its not 700k
https://www.wowhead.com/item=212450/swarmlords-authority?bonus=7981:12042:5878:11974 these are the stats on a 6/6 myth
item level 678
frosty mango
Wouldn’t that just get deleted instantly
frosty mango
497k is functionally zero
frosty mango
but thats mitigation B)
Er, no
sharp gale
yeah bc in a 17 there are 10 dudes hitting you every seconds at 700k
lusty grotto
but why are we even contemplating on these so-called hits? block takes care of that
sharp gale
and 1m+ for the big boys
frosty mango
Is it really mitigation if it would otherwise have been healed off either by ip or your healer? Actively gimping your most important contribution (dps) in the name of defense is silly
Even trinkets like bombsuit really only have one use and that’s gather safety
hoary pike
ya i wasnt really having a convo about meta
sharp gale
but why are we even contemplating on these so-called hits? block takes care of t...
it is blocked hits average damage taken
lusty grotto
🤷♂️
this is some wild theorycrafting thats spawned over a past season trinket
at almost 1am my time
sharp gale
in a 14
hoary pike
hoary pike
sharp gale
there are some 2.1m blocked hit swings
lusty grotto
what is happening with that dude
hoary pike
:LMAO
lusty grotto
but to be fair, if hes shotcaller its easy to get lost in securing block uptime, i guess
sharp gale
what is happening with that dude
the 84% is me, it is my ML 14
lusty grotto
be better happy
frosty mango
Out of curiosity
sharp gale
i take it in the back when i pull packs
lusty grotto
sharp gale
95%
hoary pike
sharp gale
could mean back hits yes
not really when i'm looking at every 70 hits i took, it is when im pulling packs
like i took 6 back hits from the vendor casters, i think it's just the first pull
hoary pike
i clicked the button and it just put a bunch of gray lines on the graph
lusty grotto
and then check hits again
sharp gale
14 hits from the little rats
lusty grotto
ah well those dont matter at least lol
sharp gale
maybe 3 from taskmaster askari might be problematic in higher keys
sharp gale
i took 70 hits, 8 without shield block
hoary pike
defensively what do u think is better kezan or tome, even if using tome on crit
lusty grotto
tome
hoary pike
ok tome is just broken
sharp gale
and it's literally the first pack, the rats, and i'm 100% it's me spamming execute on a specialist to finish him
lusty grotto
kezan is good but it wont be consistently good
and the same rules apply as for obtaining max dps from it
tome is more consistent that way
and if you forget to swap, its still a purely defensive mode
sharp gale
i need to look at the number 1 chinese logs, he runs rezan on so many dungeons, im wondering
lusty grotto
chinese M+ players do all sorts of unexplainable shit
sharp gale
maybe i will take eye with my dinar
lusty grotto
sorry
fixed
a lot of it defies logic
and numbers
the only thing you can get out of it is
you can probably climb the ladder with just about any build as long as your base is solid
and obviously its a team game so
sharp gale
Floodgate
frosty mango
chinese M+ players do all sorts of unexplainable shit
I’m sure they have a reason we just don’t know what it is
sharp gale
i think the reason is DPS
urban bane
you can get a lot of good uptime on it in plenty of dungeons
urban bane
lusty grotto
I’m sure they have a reason we just don’t know what it is
you'd be surprised
maybe theyve found a way to stay in combat with kezan
sharp gale
Or I overrated how fast it drops
urban bane
yeah youre right guess one dungeon means you should never use the trinket
lusty grotto
nobody said that
ive been an advocate for kezan in here
and told people why its one of our best trinkets
sharp gale
yeah youre right guess one dungeon means you should never use the trinket
The Chinese use it in priory, flood, dfc, cinderbrew, and I didn’t check others, he switch to house of cards (might watch out with the time he dropped Rezan bias)
lusty grotto
urban bane
could you make it bigger?
lusty grotto
The Chinese use it in priory, flood, dfc, cinderbrew, and I didn’t check others,...
then hes smart about it
youre just being an ass
🤷♂️
for no reason too
urban bane
yeah i just don't like you, it is fine
lusty grotto
glad we got that settled
sharp gale
ToP
lusty grotto
which goes with what we've said to not use in ToP
what about workshop
sneaking up its easy to stay in combat, but it'll lose stacks in the RP after Kujo
and in the travel time to last boss trash
sharp gale
he plays in every dungeon rezan+house of cards, it's just the last he did he used house of cards+pacemaker
and not lot of logged ones
chilly brook
I'm watching Towelliee play MoP beta and I'm literally punching the air at the fact that monk ever lost chi across all 3 specs
FUCK BLIZZ
WHY
neon elk
I kinda wanted to play mop but then i realized its only raid cuz no m+ and gave up
jagged gust
timeless isles were some of the most fun I had back in early wow
Though I've had my fill of open world flying disabled zones
frosty mango
you'd be surprised
I dunno man those guys are crafty as shit. They’re always figuring out the new tech
frosty mango
glad stance 🙂
Ngl only reason why I’m playin lol
chilly brook
it means you performed at X percentile in said metric
lusty grotto
oh true
frosty mango
Rip guess I’m playing not warrior
lusty grotto
mop was banners
chilly brook
existed for one expansion (was only good in PvE for one part of the first patch) and was nerfed into the ground and removed with the excuse of "no one played it"
frosty mango
Someone get tshirts made
frosty mango
existed for one expansion (was only good in PvE for one part of the first patch)...
Nah it was back at the start of tww
They just renamed it colossus
chilly brook
nah cuz you actually tank as colo
frosty mango
Yea they buffed it so we could be a dps and the tank
lusty grotto
did you miss BFA prot?
frosty mango
The good ion giveth and the good ion taketh away
ionic nimbus
Best thing about glad was pugging Dungeons and raids … the Flame why you are in a tankspecc but applying as dps… the questionmarks why a tank is toping Meters kekw
frosty mango
did you miss BFA prot?
Yes I was forced to heal for that expansion
Sadly
Like I am now
lusty grotto
i like healing
heavy sparrow
Yea they buffed it so we could be a dps and the tank
Yeah
frosty mango
Raid healing is boring
lusty grotto
but i get not liking it if youre forced ot
ionic nimbus
did you miss BFA prot?
Especially season 1! IP on gcd yikes
lusty grotto
Especially season 1! IP on gcd yikes
what about it
heavy sparrow
Forever tank
frosty mango
Mistweaver felt fun
lusty grotto
we still parsed high on zul
in bfa s1
thats beside the point anyway, high dps tank
ionic nimbus
Yeah that’s true, but first you had to reach zul
chilly brook
Yeah that’s true, but first you had to reach zul
none of the bosses before Zul were particularly dangerous for prot
lusty grotto
just so we're clear when i said Zul i meant Uldir
chilly brook
Zul was the only boss that raid that fucked you in that raid
lusty grotto
raid parsing Zul
ionic nimbus
none of the bosses before Zul were particularly dangerous for prot
Ok now I get it, you are talking about uldir and I am talking about kr
lusty grotto
not KR
even then what Griff is saying still applies
Zul was the hard part
in KR
but we didnt exactly parse on him in that key lol
ionic nimbus
Bleed berserkers were fun too, but Shade was the true boss of KR
ionic nimbus
….
lusty grotto
i feel like im gonna lose some sleep
ionic nimbus
Dont want KR back fr
lusty grotto
i wouldnt mind it
ionic nimbus
Was not a fun dungeon
lusty grotto
it'd be a lot more manageable now
if spell block applies to Zul
but its a linear dungeon so that's probably the worst part about it
ionic nimbus
Yep
heady nimbus
how do you keep 100% uptime on shield block if the CD is longer than the buff?
lusty grotto
and there's no safeguard for first boss
lusty grotto
how do you keep 100% uptime on shield block if the CD is longer than the buff?
cd is hastened
haste affects it
and you have Shield Charge with Champs Bulwark
heady nimbus
what your cd on sb
chilly brook
I also have 12s with 13k haste
do you have ITF?
heady nimbus
What's that?
chilly brook
into the fray
heady nimbus
yes
heady nimbus
ah I see. I figured it would increase my haste in my stat window
but I see that it does not
lusty grotto
ITF does not increase rating
thats why its not affected by DR
thats why it gets better the more haste rating you have
heady nimbus
Nice
lusty grotto
but you shouldnt be ITF
heady nimbus
ty for all the help
heady nimbus
yeah that makes sense
chilly brook
heady nimbus
As soon as you said that I started putting it together
chilly brook
as cool as playing colo has been I really wish they'd buff thane damage
ionic fern
It's not even that horrendous.
ionic nimbus
as cool as playing colo has been I really wish they'd buff thane damage
I mean we had a full season of thane, one season of col is fine. Hopefully we will get some changes to have anything new in s3
vale escarp
Is it only me or are other tanks really that low on the damage pov that I would outdamage them as thane?
chilly brook
I mean we had a full season of thane, one season of col is fine. Hopefully we wi...
it would just be cool to have it be more neutral in terms of choice
Brew may not be the best tank at the moment but at least they can choose their hero spec and basically be the same in output
ionic nimbus
Is it only me or are other tanks really that low on the damage pov that I would ...
You won’t outdps lunar guardian, any blooddk or templar ppal as thane (ne clue about bm)
ionic nimbus
it would just be cool to have it be more neutral in terms of choice
Yeah but as always one Specc is much better. Same for the other classes
chilly brook
Yeah but as always one Specc is much better. Same for the other classes
not really?
like I said brew is like a 60/40 split
ionic nimbus
not really?
Brew is the exception. Huge dps difference for bdk, guardian and ppal
chilly brook
like thats sick
get invited to a 15 ML, immediately off to a great start, no lust in the group
speaking of monk
my damage might not be complete poop now
ionic nimbus
Dps wise its same for vDH
The other tank speccs have clear preferences when you Look at dps
sand condor
chilly brook
part of me wants to do a bunch of keys on thane just to compare logs
vale escarp
The importent questions, do you need a Designkamin?
ionic nimbus
Doing some MT Keys from time to time. It’s okay, but you missing some dmg
chilly brook
I'll be honest in 15s I'd trade some damage for some comfort
especially when pugging
ionic nimbus
The importent questions, do you need a Designkamin?
Always. Sitting at work, Next to me is a big wood factory, so ads are linked to them a lot kekw
chilly brook
and when not pugging my resto druid has a bad habit of getting himself killed by being way too close in melee while I'm grouping new stuff
ionic nimbus
I'll be honest in 15s I'd trade some damage for some comfort
Agree, but the knockup shockwave is big in pugs.. missing that in MT
vale escarp
Btw does the knockup shockwave use the same DR as a normal stun?
ionic nimbus
Nope
chilly brook
Btw does the knockup shockwave use the same DR as a normal stun?
yes
but the knockup doesn't count
so while you might not stun because of DR, you will always knock up
ionic nimbus
If they are immune to Stund due to DR, they still get KU
Together with AoE Interrupt, we got a good aoe CC toolkit
oak ivy
Is it only me or are other tanks really that low on the damage pov that I would ...
when i have a good set of procs and he doesnt i sometimes double my brew cotank's dps
like 900k/1.8M
agile parrot
is TOP just by far the easiest dungeon to tank or what?
ionic fern
It's easy for Prot,yeah. Majority of damage is blockable.
agile parrot
yea felt like it, other dungeons like priory make me sweat but it feels like i didnt drop below 90% hp once this dungeon
neon elk
Yea top is goated for us , but its such a boring dung
Especialy xav wing , u go in sith Pwar and u just hear your shield bonk , u go in as anything else and u hear healer crying
agile parrot
i never know how big of a defensive cooldown is spell block really is? never really know what the most efficient way to click it is besides in packs with bunch of casters
agile parrot
probably changes with higher keys but sure feels like bosses in general are free, only big pulls or funilly enough too small pulls give me trouble sometimes
wicked plank
So...any idea what were gonna aim for with dinars ?
agile parrot
So...any idea what were gonna aim for with dinars ?
sadly unusable system for me
remote anchor
sadly unusable system for me
you can still get hc items
hc jastor is still your bis
agile parrot
i dont like raiding
remote anchor
yea you dont have to
agile parrot
has blizzard ever spoken out about why
ionic fern
So...any idea what were gonna aim for with dinars ?
Titan of Industry if you want a shield..
Kezans for raid tanking.
House of cards
Jastor's..
Whatever you need
remote anchor
has blizzard ever spoken out about why
its a bad luck protection feature
agile parrot
m+ doesnt have it own gear like pvp? probably scared raiding dies out
remote anchor
not a gearing feature
remote anchor
m+ doesnt have it own gear like pvp? probably scared raiding dies out
you would see m+ also crash hard
agile parrot
its a bad luck protection feature
you say that but in df s3 u didnt need to have cleared the boss right?
remote anchor
you say that but in df s3 u didnt need to have cleared the boss right?
it was fated season so not a real season
agile parrot
oh mightve been s4 u right
remote anchor
they never gave us this in a normal season
neon elk
They should either do it way sooner as bad luck protection or just give us dinars same way we are used to as they are coming kinda late anyway
agile parrot
bro i can unbind whirlwind no? when would i ever press it
jagged pier
ww is 360 degrees
unborn island
They should either do it way sooner as bad luck protection or just give us din...
I'd be happy if they just gave a vault BLP to people who do m+ in the same way. Hell i'd even pug the 4 raid bosses if that's what i'd get. I don't raid though, and I've been filling my vault since week 1, so very little benefit to even engaging with the system at the moment, transmog maybe?
indigo hawk
Is the priority for spell with Colossus is every Time (aoe or ST) this : Shield slam > thunder clap > revenge ? Or there is some variant ? Maybe more revenge than TC when you are not in danger ?
remote anchor
thunder clap doesnt really do much once you get rend up
indigo hawk
Thunder clap give you a bit of rage. I don’t use it on CD but I saw some video of Topicx on YouTube that use it on CD at every moment
heavy hazel
can i pull the same way i do in 11-12 as i do in a 10 or iis dmg and stuff to big?
static owl
is there any site where i can download good/common roots for MDT ? im getting into tanking and dont want to fuck up %
heavy hazel
is there any site where i can download good/common roots for MDT ? im getting in...
raider.io has
ionic nimbus
Keystoneguru
static owl
this keystoneguru doesnt have an addon where i can import the routes?
lilac widget
is the 6 ilvl increase item for crafteds not out yet?
remote anchor
can i pull the same way i do in 11-12 as i do in a 10 or iis dmg and stuff to bi...
you can
will be harder
try and find out
ionic nimbus
The gap between 11 and 12 is not as huge as last season
No annoying season affix is the big w for 12+
frosty mango
Thunder clap give you a bit of rage. I don’t use it on CD but I saw some video o...
Tclap gives rage and can reset shield slam
You should absolutely press it if you have an opening
vestal ruin
Do u guys spell reflect on cd or wait till u are targeted by something?
noble berry
One question. Does Second wind work in combat? specialy the second part of the talent? doesnt say anything about "not taken damage for 5 sec"
graceful kite
what should i do here? i got 1shot
cc to stop cast and kill them
can spell block to be safe
kind urchin
what should i do here? i got 1shot
Spell block, shield wall, stuns, spell reflect for dr,
graceful kite
Do u guys spell reflect on cd or wait till u are targeted by something?
its a magic dr, you use it whenever you need a cd for magic damage unless there's a reflect coming
you save it for magic tankbusters or reflect, if you dont have those coming/have plenty other cds to mitigate tankbuster just use it
tulip oar
Anyone else notice that shield charge also does a thunderclap?
neon elk
It does like a shockwave aoe around main target , do you mean that ? Or legit thunderclap with all its efects and stuff
strong forum
One question. Does Second wind work in combat? specialy the second part of the t...
it does
but a) it rarely gets time to activate
b) we never spend long enough time below 35% hp for it to trigger
tulip oar
It does like a shockwave aoe around main target , do you mean that ? Or legit...
Might just be a graphical change, but I notice hitting shield charge smashes the ground where you are before charging your target.
warm plinth
I would probably never notice because I dont use shield charge to charge
remote dawn
when i play with arms gear and i have 2% vers is it bad for 14/15 keys?
round pendant
fucking gpt
dude it's literally useless
and people are still trying to gaslight everyone into thinking AI is useful
🤢
tribal wharf
for some things, yes,, some times
remote dawn
kk, and play prot the ring from isel?
round pendant
for some things, yes,, some times
An unreliable information source is not a useful one
it effectively renders it untrustworthy and useless
tribal wharf
i dont like ai, but i dont hate it
i still fear the terminators
its a tool, to be used, so i dont want to criticize it like an old hand and tools and ox farmer would talk about a new fangled tractor
tribal wharf
i dont want to unfairly judge it when its stil lvl 0 or 1
is what im saying here
cuz, you arent forced to use xyz tool
elfin ginkgo
I would probably never notice because I dont use shield charge to charge
Your missing oot
solid sun
Nope
We like our shield charges to be instant
We don’t leave tables waiting for their food. We deliver it promptly
warm plinth
Your missing oot
Well, at least mine is buffed by demo shout! 😉
topaz latch
does anyone here stack a lot of verse or does everyone do haste-crit-mastery? it takes so many points to make verse appear useful.
warm plinth
dude it's literally useless
Not chatgpt specifically but I have gotten use out of AI. What i can't stand is people asking chatgpt questions about politics or medical questions (actual important things to get right in general) or googling it and reading the AI overview and treating it as gospel when its wrong so fucking often
tribal wharf
gpt knows the fuck out of how to build a computer or mod a games console
i will say this
warm plinth
I use Microsoft copilot quite a bit to help write vba macros and write Lua script
Its not perfect but it's surprisingly good as long as you double check its work
Saves me a lot of time
tribal wharf
ye, and all im saying about it being a tool is, if it strips screws, sure dont use it, but the option is there, and you are free and likely right to complain about it
round pendant
I mean yeah I'm being hyperbolic
You can get some use out of chatgpt
but it's still 98% useless
warm plinth
gpt knows the fuck out of how to build a computer or mod a games console
See that's exactly the kind of thing I wouldn't use it for. I'd rather find a reputable website (which is at least partially where the Ai is getting it anyway) for something like that.
round pendant
vibe cobing is fucking cringe too
tribal wharf
i just think using an option you have another option for, which you know the one you are already using is bad, and then you complain about it
thats when i lose it
round pendant
The option I'm using is my brain
tribal wharf
i did a whole bunch of xbox live indie games recently
and it knew all about rgh process and what i should look out for
was able to help me install the files, get games to run,
warm plinth
Thing is, I've used it enough for coding to know that it gets confused very easily. The number of times I've pointed out a mistake in its code, which it then fixes only to make the same mistake later in the conversation is crazy
round pendant
Yup
tribal wharf
as soon as it goes astray i make a new conversation, even if its the same topic
seems to not like 20 reply conversations or 45k character inputs
round pendant
I don't believe it's useful for anything more than a glorified google search that you can't trust isn't just lying to you
at least if you search something on google and slap "reddit" on the end you'll get answers written by a person
and sure lots of redditors are just wrong but it can point you in the right direction
depends on the topic tho
tribal wharf
yes, i think its about the same usefulness as googling "my car is making a funny nois when i turn the key wtf"
warm plinth
It's just a tool. Like any information you get from the internet, take it with a grain of salt.
tribal wharf
but i think it fills in some gaps cuz you can add a bit of context
round pendant
why the fuck would I use a tool that's not useful more often than not?
warm plinth
I wouldn't agree that it's useless more often than not. But it depends in what context you're using it
For coding, its very useful. For a philosophical debate, its virtually useless
tribal wharf
cuz we refined the hammer over time and now we have amazing hammers buzz saws maybe better example, gpt will get better over time
round pendant
classic
warm plinth
Use the right tool for the job. I'm not using a hammer to plow a field
round pendant
It's not useful for coding other than for extremely simple code snippets that are already copy-pasted all over the internet (this is where the data came from in the first place)
warm plinth
I've made very complex things with it in coding lol
The thing about not using something that changes over time is that you tend to base your opinion on the only time you ever used it.
round pendant
Brother I keep up with all of this shit so I can hate on it accurately
tribal wharf
what im actually waiting on them to create is an in real life tricoder from startrek
round pendant
define "very complex things"
warm plinth
Well you're saying inaccurate things so maybe you're behind
tribal wharf
"gun" with a screen that you point it at anything and scan instnatly knows wtf it is
warm plinth
Lol yogi, next stop is the food creator thing
tribal wharf
you make that you can travel to mars n shit
solid sun
Y’all need to rewatch AI documentaries like Terminator or I, Robot
round pendant
Also doesn't change the fact that you're robbing yourself of actually learning 😔
Yes you can create seemingly complex apps with chatgpt and vibes
tribal wharf
i think if left unchecked and constantly powered and evolved, computers have the capability to go almost near infinite power
thats how i will say it
tribal wharf
almost cosmical powers
round pendant
also imagine having to ask for help to add something to your program every single time
tribal wharf
MRI machine doesnt count
round pendant
i think if left unchecked and constantly powered and evolved, computers have the...
LLMs don't
tribal wharf
cuz you cant dam well stuff it in your car
warm plinth
I learned a lot from it. I knew nothing about Lua going into it. I learned enough to know if it made a mistake and learned a lot of the syntax of the language
round pendant
Oh are you a beginner?
tribal wharf
the food creator is bullshit and we know it
not for another 100 years at least
for the prototype that explodes
no, 300 years, i think it fundamentally breaks the laws of physics "computer create me a burger"
round pendant
I learned a lot from it. I knew nothing about Lua going into it. I learned enou...
If you're a beginner and learning via chatgpt you're going to hit a wall. The difficulty in coding isn't the syntax or even making something that works. It's all about being able to implement your ideas in an extensible and clean way so your app is hard to break and easy to improve
chatgpt isn't good at either of those things
as chatgpt doesn't know anything and can't think about how things will be used in the future
I mean if it's just a hobby thing then whatever but for me the fun part about hobbies is actually learning and doing things myself
round pendant
no, 300 years, i think it fundamentally breaks the laws of physics "computer cre...
We "just" need a printer that's able to manipulate individual atoms to create molecules
before that it'd probably be custom biology but that'd be much slower
round pendant
???
round pendant
except in 300 years?
tribal wharf
well, if they have tech in 300 years to bend laws of physics
round pendant
cause I'm telling you teleportation, time travel and santa clause still won't exist in 3,000,000 years, let alone 300
tribal wharf
i don think those are possible PEROID unless you become super sayan
round pendant
but molecule printers certainly will
tribal wharf
million billion trillion years we never get teleport 100 million light years away in 0,01s
tulip oar
but molecule printers certainly will
As soon as that's invented we solve world hunger.
tulip oar
Lol true, but it will be vastly easier to pull off with a printer.
round pendant
You think people are gonna spend their precious resources printing food for the poor?
tulip oar
The only way we get any of that tech in the next 1000 years is if it drops from the skies. IE - extra terrestrial life visits.
tribal wharf
if we ever found some planet exact-ish same earth, but 1000 times size, no such concept as resources
sharp gale
I would rather print me a thicc furry goth femboy over solving world hunger
tulip oar
Worst and most depressing thing; if we ever discover a signal from some other planet, even if we have the means to travel there. They will most likely be long dead and gone from time.
tribal wharf
nah, i figure its going to be they will be alive and pissed off and kill us
sharp gale
I don’t think we will ever leave our solar system imo
tulip oar
We would need to figure out faster travel or cryo sleep tech before that's possible.
sharp gale
And million years automatic maintenance cycles
tulip oar
And renewable energy reserves.
round pendant
if we ever found some planet exact-ish same earth, but 1000 times size, no such ...
1000x bigger would be 1,000,000,000x more mass than our earth
tulip oar
Lol
round pendant
it'd be a black hole
though it'd be a lot bigger so way less dense
so maybe not idk I cba doing the maths
tribal wharf
well maybe its 100 earths
round pendant
alright then it's like 1,000,000 more massive
round pendant
bro we have asteroids
there's enough resources in our solar system as it is to support humanity for the rest of time
tulip oar
it'd be a black hole
It could be bigger, but the gravity would make life that much harder. It could possibly create the superman effect.
small steeple
1000x bigger in what way, radius? Mass? Surface area? All of these would change the resulting bodies mass in different ways
round pendant
1000x bigger in what way, radius? Mass? Surface area? All of these would change ...
he said bigger so I assume radius
sharp gale
Not the rest of time, the rest of humanity*
tribal wharf
we'd evolve into slime creatures
sharp gale
Bc we will obviously not last a billion year
small steeple
Well then assuming same density of earth, a 1000x larger radius would make the mass be 1000^3 soooo
So 1*10^9
round pendant
yeah I said that already
tribal wharf
no, i dont believe in flat earth or icewalls
small steeple
Times the mass of earth
tribal wharf
i just figured id say that now
round pendant
I don't think anybody here is a flat earther yogi
small steeple
Which would be thousands of times larger than the mass of the sun itself
round pendant
and it only takes a few times the mass of the sun for a black hole
yeah it'd definitely be a black hole
tribal wharf
im like 99% sure there are tons of stars out there that are 1000x times of our sun as is
round pendant
a big one too 
tribal wharf
dying ones
urban bane
yogi doesn't believe in flat earth or icewalls. he just believes in doom
small steeple
Black hole isn’t dependent on mass. It’s dependent on density. So this is all under the assumption it has the same density of earth
urban bane
kinda based though
small steeple
Really? Looks cool to me
tribal wharf
i mean, yes, but no, not really, i'll play it, and then probably never play it agin
urban bane
I've always preferred Quake if im being honest
small steeple
Only quake I played was the weird one from like 2009 on my ps3
round pendant
Black hole isn’t dependent on mass. It’s dependent on density. So this is all un...
Well it's dependent on both.
lofty warren
Where is the blizzard retraction/correction on dinars?
tribal wharf
quakelive browser era was peak quake
get a lan party of quake 3 going, max players thats fun
sharp gale
Where is the blizzard retraction/correction on dinars?
I think if they do something is : nothing and never do dinars ever again
small steeple
Well it's dependent on both.
Well this whole scenario was what if there was an earth like body with same density but 1000x the radius. Of course a real body of that size and mass wouldn’t stay at the same density, most likely it would under go gravitational collapse until electron degeneracy kicks in and stops further collapse. Or it will over come that and become a black hole. Not at my laptop so I can’t do the math for that rn though 😦
tulip oar
Where is the blizzard retraction/correction on dinars?
They're the same, but we're getting a full one instantly on release, and access to 2 more after that.
sharp gale
But I see why they try to do the .5 shenanigans, it fills what borrowed power filled, but général audience don’t like what they need
round pendant
Well this whole scenario was what if there was an earth like body with same dens...
maths is hard
urban bane
dumb question, is there a better site than wowprogress to look at current mythic prog completion rates as percentages and stuff?
topaz latch
is anyone here stacking more mastery than verse? does anyone else think verse is useless?
sharp gale
dumb question, is there a better site than wowprogress to look at current mythic...
You just have to keep in mind it’s only guilds that are on wowprogress, and it’s only guilds, I think 90% of players are not in a guild
cerulean burrow
is this actually how bomb suit works? i honestly dont believe anything at face value from an LLM
or is it like a set separate value for determining if the x amount of damage prevented and its separate from any other type of DR
like how does it interpret that
round pendant
why do people keep asking chatgpt for wow help
cerulean burrow
cuz yall were yapping about not wow shit
round pendant
You're allowed to butt-in
sharp gale
I don’t think you need chatgpt to know it is good to have DR with an absorb
cerulean burrow
yeah the question is maximizing that 75% dr and if other ones impact the damage prevented
sharp gale
(Wall, dwarf, spell reflect and press bombsuit)
cerulean burrow
ok so that is how it works?
sharp gale
The DR applies to the shield
steady mason
ok so that is how it works?
If you're taking 40% less damage with SW up, then it'll take ~40% longer for the absorb to break
sharp gale
So imagine spell reflect + bombsuit, the bombsuit will be able to take 20% more damage
cerulean burrow
does the input order matter for the game in regards to interpreting like is there an order of operations
round pendant
no
cerulean burrow
or is it just whatever you pu ton first
round pendant
damage is calculated in the same order
sharp gale
You mean in the events ?
cerulean burrow
yeah so like if i take an arbitrary amount of dmg where in the line does that "damage prevented" value start to be calculated if say you have bombsuit on in conjunction with ignore pain and shield wall for instance
cuz the trinket says for 20 secondss OR x amount of dmg prevented
round pendant
Wow isn't really consistent with it
cerulean burrow
this whole thing started cuz i thought of that first cinderbrew pull and i was like "how can i maximize that 75% dr"
small steeple
where is bombsuit parsed
absorbs are done last
sharp gale
this whole thing started cuz i thought of that first cinderbrew pull and i was l...
Don’t imagine bombsuit as a DR trinket, it is just an absorb
small steeple
^^
its just an absorb shield that only can do 75% of damage at a time, like ignore pain can only do 50%
sharp gale
Do you have bombsuit ?
sharp gale
Just press it
cerulean burrow
and im pushing 15's and was like "i wonder how best i can use this" and thus here we are
sharp gale
You have the amount you read as an absorb on you
cerulean burrow
so shield wall would help in regards to hitting that "damage prevented" threshold slower?
sharp gale
But it’s like IP, 25% damage goes through
cerulean burrow
yeah i wish i knew how it was calculated
round pendant
🤔
small steeple
For absorbs its the last one applied
cerulean burrow
so if bombsuit is applied last in the sequence of inputs it would be calculated last?
round pendant
so you want to drop IP before you bombsuit theoretically?
sharp gale
yeah i wish i knew how it was calculated
I think you log, take a swing from the dummy in Dornogal and read the event
round pendant
nah it's irrelevant really
Since the bombsuit only reduces damage taken to IT'S shield
small steeple
so if bombsuit is applied last in the sequence of inputs it would be calculated ...
so hypothetical scenario:
You cast Shield Wall, Shield Block, Ignore pain then Bombsuit in that order
Damage calc goes
Parry>Block>DR/Armor>Bombsuit>Ignorepain
round pendant
the only thing that affects how much mitigation you're getting from it (a stronger absorb) would be defensives
but you're stacking your 40% shield wall with that 75%
mellow bridge
so shield wall would help in regards to hitting that "damage prevented" threshol...
yes but you shouldnt stack them either way
round pendant
it's prob best to send it raw
mellow bridge
youre just gonna cause bombsuit to time out that way
cerulean burrow
okay yeah thats also the solution i arrived to with putting a bunch of prompts at chatgpt but i always wanna double check
well if its a giant pull and im taking metric fucktons of dmg anyways i just wanted to see how long i could make that last for
sharp gale
but you're stacking your 40% shield wall with that 75%
You are thinking bombsuit as DR, don’t
cerulean burrow
theoretically
round pendant
You are thinking bombsuit as DR, don’t
I mean, it is
cerulean burrow
since im human i cant get rid of bleed on first cinder pull
and 14's i was getting my face smacked but still timed it
thats really where this all sprouted from
sharp gale
I mean, it is
The shield IS the « 75% DR » of the tooltip
small steeple
so hypothetical scenario:
You cast Shield Wall, Shield Block, Ignore pain then ...
so in this scenario, you can either have the damage miss because of parry
or it gets reduced by block, then by the DR from wall and armor, then the absorb from bombsuit takes 75% of remaining, then ignore pain takes 50% of remaining
That just determines how much of the leftover damage goes to the shield instead of your hp pool
elfin geode
Do we know what corruption we'll wanna play? the bdk discord had some sims but idk if anyone did some here
steady mason
so in this scenario, you can either have the damage miss because of parry
or it ...
Effect #1 here is the same one that appears on IP, so assuming that it's coded to apply in buff application order (rather than, say, class buffs then trinkets) then I think this makes the most sense
round pendant
The shield IS the « 75% DR » of the tooltip
You can look at it like it's a shield for the tooltip amount or it's a 75% mit on tooltip * 1.33-ish worth of damage
idk the exact numbers
but it works out to effectively the same thing
no?
small steeple
Effect #1 here is the same one that appears on IP, so assuming that it's coded t...
the absorb that gets used first is the last one applied
sharp gale
I read bombsuit as I read ignore pain, I never considered ignore pain as DR
Just absorbs
small steeple
no?
not exactly because mechanics that deal damage or dot based on unmitigated damage such as Ego Check from gally don't count damage in an absorb as mitigated I believe. So its an important distinction to make
sharp gale
With a long tooltip to say how much it absorb
round pendant
not exactly because mechanics that deal damage or dot based on unmitigated damag...
yeah ig with my "logic" you'd be inclined to think you could press this instead of SW in that scenario
small steeple
yeah ig with my "logic" you'd be inclined to think you could press this instead ...
Its the exact reason why Blood Shield for bdk and Ignore Pain for prot war and Celestial Brew for BrM aren't counted as mitigated damage but as healing
cerulean burrow
yeah i think bombsuit also comes up as healing
small steeple
yeah i think bombsuit also comes up as healing
it indeed does
solid sun
Blood DK’s say your first absorb shield in is the last absorb shield taken
steady mason
I want bleed removal trinkets
I saw an idea to change bleeds to be removed when the player hits 100% hp, which i thought was a cool way to hjandle that mechanic
round pendant
that would make bleeds irrelevant
sharp gale
Just imagine bombsuit was 100%, the tooltip would just be it is a big ass shield with no 100% DR mentioned
small steeple
In fact, healing done and recieved multipliers apply to bombsuit, so on my 630 bear wth a vet Bombsuit, instead of the stated 6.5m shield, its 10.1
solid sun
I think that’s how some bleeds already work, yam
round pendant
Just imagine bombsuit was 100%, the tooltip would just be *it is a big ass shiel...
yeah idk why they complicate the tooltips like that
solid sun
Like I’m pretty sure the bleeds lynxes in Priory apply are removed upon reaching full health
round pendant
when they could just say "gives an absorb shield preventing X damage"
tho I think 100% shields are kinda op ig
sharp gale
yeah idk why they complicate the tooltips like that
Bc it is lame to read the same trinket (trinket give shield)over and over, at least when it’s more complicated you can do it over and over
small steeple
when they could just say "gives an absorb shield preventing X damage"
thats what it does say when its an absorb that just prevents damage
round pendant
Like I’m pretty sure the bleeds lynxes in Priory apply are removed upon reaching...
ig if it's primarily affecting dps it's fine
but a bleed that gets removed at 100% on a tank is useless
solid sun
That’s not true
You give the ability initial damage to take them below full health (and in the case of trash mobs, other stuff will also be hitting the tank so their health is dropping for that, as well)
sharp gale
Yes what’s the point of the mech if it disappears every second
solid sun
It just applies extra pressure
You can add other things to it as well if you want. Maybe it’s a large tank buster with a bleed so it’s immediately threatening. Maybe it’s a bleed that also applies a mortal strike debuff
steady mason
they could come with a heal absorb
bleeds just seem clunky, just a dot that has fewer ways to be removed
urban bane
You just have to keep in mind it’s only guilds that are on wowprogress, and it’s...
yeah i found progstats.io which is a bit closer to the level of granularity im looking for
kinda nice site
sharp gale
It just applies extra pressure
The 100% hp remove debuff mech is a healer pressure, I think it is better to put on vulnerable targets if you want pressure
solid sun
Sure, it’ll be more deadly as is on a dps than a tank, but that doesn’t mean you can’t have bleeds that work the same way on tanks and make it meaningful
sharp gale
yeah i found progstats.io which is a bit closer to the level of granularity im l...
I would take the number of guilds who killed the 4th boss as the low-end MYTHIC guild, below I would say it’s an heroic guild enjoying some myth prog
jolly bough
For this week's affix is bitter immunity or second wind have any value at all? Improved victory rush doesnt quite get it. Just want to help my healer.
solid sun
Is it the healing absorb?
jolly bough
Yea
solid sun
It’s a free affix. It doesn’t work like a normal healing absorb so it’s essentially a free affix
unborn island
It isn't actually an absorb
You still get the healing, it just needs an amount of healing to break it through, so if you're taking it should break passively as the healer heals you
jolly bough
Did not realize that. Pug healers are meh so just looking for ways to assist...
round pendant
For this week's affix is bitter immunity or second wind have any value at all? I...
last stand + victory rush
is about all you can/should do
would never spec into bitter immunity or second wind for it
sharp gale
And health pot
jolly bough
Okay thanks
small steeple
Just AMS it...
sharp gale
Death strike it
round pendant
does the shared AMS from the talent negate it?
vivid lantern
Play dwarf and you can get every other one.
sharp gale
Did not realize that. Pug healers are meh so just looking for ways to assist...
Well if you have 2 members who can’t dispel themselves, it might be a pain for the healer, since dps in low keys never dispel the other dudes
cedar falcon
Hi guys ; sorry to bother with this, but i'm trying to push 13 keys, but i can't find road that suits well for PUG ; where do you find your routes pls
sharp gale
- there are mechs using the healer’s dispel, if he is not aware…. You know
solid sun
Well if you have 2 members who can’t dispel themselves, it might be a pain for t...
Healer I play with just heals them off since they aren’t normal healing absorbs
Doesn’t even think about the affix
Unless it’s a season where she’s playing priest and she rips a MD to get the buff faster
sharp gale
me too i just dispel myself and HoTs do the reset and at the end i just do something
(rdruid)
solid sun
Sometimes we just gotta do something
sharp gale
Hi guys ; sorry to bother with this, but i'm trying to push 13 keys, but i can't...
which ones you struggle with ?
steady mason
Play dwarf and you can get every other one.
I wish we could choose our own curse of the flesh and not need to be dwarf/ne/whatever just to get a racial ability
next axle
So I have 6/6 House of Cards, Pacemaker, Hotline and a Myth Signet. Raidbots is simming hotline as a dps loss (guessing because it does not consider the goon squad proc). Bloodmallet shows it as one of our top trinkets. Can someone help me out with which of these trinket combos would be best for m+ vs raid?
remote anchor
So I have 6/6 House of Cards, Pacemaker, Hotline and a Myth Signet. Raidbots is ...
sims have the trinket effects
cedar falcon
which ones you struggle with ?
i only timed Darkcleft and Motherlorde ; i struggles with other ; i think i don't apply good road for this level
vivid lantern
I wish we could choose our own curse of the flesh and not need to be dwarf/ne/wh...
100% agree.
round pendant
i only timed Darkcleft and Motherlorde ; i struggles with other ; i think i don'...
You can W-key 13s
check out keystone.guru
if you're pugging it's probably just shit dps and unnecessary deaths
chilly brook
i only timed Darkcleft and Motherlorde ; i struggles with other ; i think i don'...
I just kinda watch some of the top tanks do their push keys and formulate routes based on things I see that I like
mild river
Why is almost Every mage rerolling to arcane?
steady mason
Why is almost Every mage rerolling to arcane?
funnel damage
chilly brook
Similar overall
Better prio and funnel
You already have unholy dk and balance Druid owning AoE
You don’t need mage trying to do mass aoe too
cedar falcon
Ok, thanks:)
dusky canopy
Because everybody meta chases