protection

[round pendant]

Sucks

this is one of the best seasons in a while

and yet I think I'm gonna quit

None of my friends are enjoying the game

so they just kinda just complain most of the time

[chilly brook]

no people don't notice it lol

[vocal pewter]

I'm having a lot of groups struggle on the ol' Big MOMMA. seems to be one of the harder bosses for me to stay topped up in. Any advice?

[chilly brook]

they don't realize that warrior has DH sigil of silence

[chilly brook]

gotta use your defensives for every electro smash

can't eat them natty

rough boss for warrior

[vocal pewter]

okay that makes me feel better lol

i feel like i just eventually run out of defensives

[lusty grotto]

you can spell block the initial hit

[sharp gale]

Don’t make me hope

[lusty grotto]

the dot you have to wall or SR+demo l

[chilly brook]

if you have RRM it's pretty big value on that boss

[vocal pewter]

ahhhh okay

[lusty grotto]

always check the blockable/sr sheet

[chilly brook]

and the last boss

[lusty grotto]

it has spell block information

and its always pinned and updated to current seasons

[chilly brook]

and probably the dungeon as a whole tbh

plenty of DoTs in that dungeon

[sharp gale]

But it’s still my fav dungeon

[chilly brook]

I think it's time to see how well Oblivion Remastered runs on the Steam Deck

[chilly brook]

its an amazing dungeon tbh

[severe forge]

So... before the patch yesterday I could see Ignore Pain on my resource display. But now I can't... anyone know what option gets that sucker back on there?

[chilly brook]

none of them lol

[severe forge]

I dislike this lol

[chilly brook]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-working-to-restore-personal-resource-display-buffs-376511?utm_source=discord-webhook

[severe forge]

oh I see. well at least they are working on it... T.T

[chilly brook]

not really something you need to track anyways

[severe forge]

it isn't?

[chilly brook]

Not really

[round pendant]

ignore ignore pain

press it prevent capping rage

that's it

[severe forge]

ah, hmmm

so it's basically just shield block then as my version of 'demon spikes'?

[chilly brook]

yeah

except more important

[solid sun]

I’ll be your non-complaining friend if you play on NA

[sudden lynx]

That sucks man

[solid sun]

I can’t promise sizzling plays 24/7, but I thoroughly enjoy playing WoW year round

[round pendant]

eu

[solid sun]

Sucks

Why are your friends not having fun

Do they hate good seasons as a bit

[round pendant]

in DF it was just me and my healer buddy

but we started getting really annoyed at pug RNG

so we invited some mutuals to do a 5 man but that meant I had to dps

tank replacement mutual wasn't very good initially so me being actually alright at prot warrior gave him some tips (we all agreed previously we'd actually be open to criticism and improving) and he just basically says nah fuck you I'm gonna go solo

so I'm back to tanking

dk dps friend decides that 11s are too hard and he's bored of mythic+ because we asked him to kick more (4 kicks in a priory) and quits m+

healer friend now malds instead about how he can't even scratch his ass without someone dying and mythic+ being a giant waste of time

and I'm just there like "I just want to have fun"

[solid sun]

Oof

[cerulean tusk]

Classic 'keys with friends who don't do keys' moment

[round pendant]

bro they all do keys

tank guy went off and got 3k alone

[cerulean tusk]

Bro, you said 11s

[round pendant]

just couldn't handle being told he was making it extremely hard for holy priest friend to heal him

yeah that guy is an exception

[cerulean tusk]

k

[round pendant]

he's just afraid of big number

Like what is your point?

[cerulean tusk]

Seems like a classic doomed to fail scenario

[round pendant]

We've all done 20-22ss and then 10s/11s in previous seasons individually to get the rewards (none of us give a shit about pushing for the sake of pushing)

it's just as a group it went to complete shit

[cerulean tusk]

Still, ya always got next time. Fail enough times, throw enough mud at the wall, in the end there will be enough mud to stick to the wall (if by nothing else, through sheer mass)

[round pendant]

Like the difficulty is irrelevant

it's more about peoples attitude and reason for playing ig

I want to do somewhat engaging content with my friends

not that I find 12s engaging as a tank they're kinda ez

but it requires some coordination as a group

[cerulean tusk]

Just gotta try again with other ppl. Then slowly you will have a group of friends that vibe as a unit
I believe in Steve

[lusty grotto]

believe in dn

[cerulean tusk]

Dn what?

[round pendant]

Yeah that's why I'm saying I might just quit

[lusty grotto]

[cerulean tusk]

Dooooo it

[round pendant]

Because 3 of these people are long time friends

only reason I wanna play with em so much

it's just idk why people have such a phobia of "difficulty" or improving lol

even when they state otherwise

[cerulean tusk]

Cause what is their limit is often different from yours. Not to mention ego bruises easily, especially when the reality of skill differences come to light

[round pendant]

I don't believe in limits lmao

[cerulean tusk]

You should, we all got em

[round pendant]

No one's wow limit is +12s

unless you've got something wrong with you

[cerulean tusk]

For some it is Follower dungs

[round pendant]

At that point it's just straight up an unwillingness to learn

And it's fine if you don't wanna try

I'm just bummed out that everyone said they wanted to and we've all done similarly difficult keys in the past

but nah

also healer friend just insisting on playing the most dogshit healer spec 😔

[cerulean tusk]

I think you underestimate how much a commitment it is to improve in wow. As such, walls are hit and egoes are hurt

Some just ain't built to improve, even if physically theoretically possible to do so, as it requires energy they don't have or can spend.
Be it mental or physical.

So even if they are your friends that will happen. Limits are reached at different rates.

As a friend you need to learn theirs, and they yours, so you can know how to interact

It is fine to play with A to say a 10, then he sits out for another who would never do a 10, but love to do a 12. Then a change for C, when a new limit is reached in the gang.

You can always play with your friends in their chosen and preferred sphere. No need to think more is required.

It is how you keep the best of terms

[round pendant]

I mean in the case of dk friend who doesn't wanna kick who thinks 11s are way too much harder than 10s

he simply just doesn't wanna "tryhard" (he's stated that after a few bricked keys)

so I stopped inviting him

[cerulean tusk]

Well, feel free to invite him for 10s tho

Weekly keys and social keys

[round pendant]

yeah and then I don't get to play with him cause I don't want to do 10s

unless it's alts

The tank guy, he clearly wasn't at his limit (as he went on to pug harder stuff) and simply got a bruised ego from being asked to do something differently to help out our healer friend

it's all just bad mental

oh well

[cerulean tusk]

Told ya, ego gets bruised easily. Just know it, see it and learn to work around it. Friends require that extra care. PuGs? Fuck em

[round pendant]

I mean I can happily do 10s and stuff just to hang but they also wanted the rewards for 3k

am I supposed to just say

"sorry guys you're not good enough"

lmao

[cerulean tusk]

If that is how you see it and feel, why not?

[round pendant]

I don't believe that but it's just their mentals are fucked

but yeah that's why I wanna quit playing cause I need to stop forcing it

cause it's stressing me out

[cerulean tusk]

Your mental is being fucked by overthinking it. It is just a part of friendship to point out and know eachothers limits

[round pendant]

We all agree to play and then we hop on and I'm just dreading the first bricked key that'll kill the vibes lmao

[lusty grotto]

i actually got a decent vault for once

i cant believe it

[round pendant]

gz!!

[cerulean tusk]

Rat in a hat rare W

[lusty grotto]

now to wait until raid to see if any of these items i want drop

[round pendant]

this what I'm describing here actually happened with another friend of mine

but on Escape From Tarkov lmao

He started getting frustrated after a few years of us playing

and I ended up being so paranoid of a bad raid that I played like a fuckin helicopter parent with him

it ruined my fun trying to protect his fun because he just started malding so easily

I need to accept that my buds aren't having fun and just stop asking them to play ig

[cerulean tusk]

Yep, you need to learn your limit and to see others. Don't try to push them. Recognise them, then simply work within them.

Play with ppl in a way it makes sense. Or you will just start to burn fuel on nothing productive

[round pendant]

I don't play games alone so it really just always ends up with me being alone anyway because I'm motivated by actually being good

then I drop the game

[cerulean tusk]

I don't ask my friends who push title to play with me in push keys. Different goals, methods and settings.

But we have a blast in weekly keys for fun either way.

Key for you is to extend your network, get like minded ppl to improve with

[round pendant]

csgo, got too good for my friends

[cerulean tusk]

Then accept limits will show up, yours or others, and worl within them

[round pendant]

dota and wow too ig

yeah the thing is

everyone I meet on wow who's good just yeets from the group instantly

and of the people I do get to add me never accept an invite

[cerulean tusk]

It is a numbers game. Focus on getting ppl on discord, easier way to get a vibe check. Then it is also more likely they stick around for the next

[sand torrent]

I’m mostly better in games than my friends. And I could play higher in some ( not in wow lmao I got really bad), but I choose fun over rating.

[round pendant]

It's partly my fault too

[sand torrent]

Just have to find either people that have the same goals or cut your goals to the people you have the most fun with playing

[round pendant]

cause I just can't enjoy the actual act of running a +10

I'd rather just sit on voice chat not playing the game than do a 10

lmao

[sand torrent]

I feel you hahaha I got the same

But I get annoyed by pugs way to fast

So I don’t bother pushing

Or finding people that can push with me

[round pendant]

I've had more fun with pugs this season it's sad to say

[sand torrent]

I had to find a new guild because night shift got me out of mine

[round pendant]

Also just had an awful night trying to pug heroic undermine which has brought on this doomerism

[sand torrent]

[round pendant]

I never want to step foot in a fuckin raid again

it's such shit content

[sand torrent]

Hahaha

[round pendant]

(without a guild)

[sand torrent]

It is

It’s hard to find a guild that is fine with shifts and is good too

[cerulean tusk]

Just don't, I haven't raided since DF. It is great 👍

[round pendant]

Yeah it's just fomo, I want curve achievement because I got the previous ones

but it's torture every single time

[sand torrent]

I got the heroic ones and then try I wanna go get cutting edge but work is in the way

[lavish rose]

don't we want to use the capo's knuckles?

I don't see it on the gear page

[cerulean tusk]

I didn't get CE for the first time in ages. My brain just went... This does not bother me, really.

Then I skipped curve. Same feeling.

And I was free.

[round pendant]

healer friend likes getting curve tho

he's the only reason I play wow really

feels bad excluding him

[elfin pivot]

Hey guys! could someone help me out? I started tanking around a week ago and I did a meadery 11 yesterday that was a bit rough for me in the first room, could someone look over it for me and tell me what went wrong?

I looked over it and the thing that came into mind was that i probably should have jumped out to reset my stacks from the bleed (i had 8 stacks). Didnt have any problems when i had much less gear on a 9 so i was confused a bit. On the second bigger pull i jumped out to reset them once otherwise i would have died again i think.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AdYzTJZ6mpyhRDb1

[lusty grotto]

next time post in #1347646810457636974 and tag me

but ill take a look

looks ok, you died to bleed though

[cerulean tusk]

Without looking, it sounds like you are mass pulling without control of what you are pulling in.

Spend some time to look at what mobs does what, then try to decide how many you can pull in of what type before issues arise.

Stacks shouldn't be an issue, really. Not as described

[lusty grotto]

84% effective uptime is reasonable

try to get it higher

you took 109 back hits, careful in cinderbrew

your SS apm is a bit low

but aceptable since youre commiting on revenge on an aoe heavy dungeon

you def need to SS more though

youre cutting your rage intake

[hoary pike]

how does stacking dr shields work.. like ignore pain + bombsuit + scrapfield + idk swarmlords ?

[lusty grotto]

your dmg break down shjould be revenge > demolish > ss

its this instead, which means youre probably not outbursting SS and/or using it

30 total tclaps with outbursts

vs 31 outbursted SS

[round pendant]

I mean if mean mugs get scary you either pulled/chained the next pack before it dropped or the mobs just aren't dying quick enough

that's my take

[lusty grotto]

most of last boss stuff is spell blockable, you didnt use it

[cerulean tusk]

Layered, one absorbs, then the next in line. A mix of prio shields, then what shield came on last. So having em on top of each other kinda wastes them potentially.

If that is what you asking

[lusty grotto]

a shield is not a DR

unless explicitly said as much

[hoary pike]

ok so they just stack and afk until the top ones layer off first

[lusty grotto]

its a waste cause theyre multiplicative

not additive

for example

Wall + SR

is 40% dr for wall

and 25% MDR for SR

[cerulean tusk]

Wasnt he talking shields, aka absorbs, not DRs?

[lusty grotto]

well he said DR

[hoary pike]

ya i just used the word dr

u got what i meant tho

so its ok

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk i guess they stack but its a waste

as far as shields go

full absorbs get eaten first though

before IP and partials

so swarmlords would get deleted first

and scrap

then IP

[hoary pike]

i was thinking maybe it worked like, a hit comes in, swarmlords eats half of it, then ignore pain eats half of it

[lusty grotto]

then the rest

[hoary pike]

seemed kinda crazy

[lusty grotto]

no

thats not how it works

1mil hit comes, if swarmlord/scrap fades cause it hits its full amount, the rest goes into IP, if that's completely consumed the remainder goes into bombsuit

[hoary pike]

it feels like when i press bombsuit im just invincible

[lusty grotto]

bombsuit will last longer than the other trinkets since its a partial shield

we like partial shields a lot

but full absorbs do have their uses

they can negate certain mechanics

like the spiders in BRH or sprocket

theyre just really limited

[elfin pivot]

ah didnt see that channel, ty will do next time!

[lusty grotto]

no worries, i did a decent breakdown, make sure you read it

[elfin pivot]

thanks for the advice, will try to apply that next time.

[lusty grotto]

[elfin pivot]

i think the backhits probably are in the hallways because the charges were sometimes baited a bit iffy and dps running away with the blobs instead of running towards me, i panicked a bit there bcs i didnt want anyone dying

[lusty grotto]

its more likely they are in the first pulls

[elfin pivot]

yea im catching myself very often to spam it because its fun pressing it

[cerulean tusk]

If ppl don't run to you, ain't your problem

[elfin pivot]

how do i check that in the log?

now im curious

[deep wharf]

is zee's thug hotline bait? it like never procs for me

[lusty grotto]

click on the graph

and just shorten the time

you engaged Brewmaster at 3:54

so anything below that

sorry you click and you drag

[elfin pivot]

how do i get to the blocked hits part

[lusty grotto]

damage taken

hover over hits in any blockable attacks

click SB so its green

that means your SB was up, and whatever results from the mouse hover is very likely a back hit

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AdYzTJZ6mpyhRDb1?fight=last&type=damage-taken&source=4&start=0&end=236906&sourcebuffs=132404

put your mouse over hits, SB is filtered to only account for when you had SB up

[elfin pivot]

OHH mouseover melee ok now i got it

[lusty grotto]

mouse over hits

in this case, the 300

[elfin pivot]

got it

thanks

[snow estuary]

could someone tell me why spellblock doesnt block the party pack on sprocket sometimes even though shield block is up?

do I need to be facing him still for it to block?

[lusty grotto]

yes

you cant block with your butt

[snow estuary]

wow I did not know that

[lusty grotto]

its a block mechanic, SB has to be up as well

[snow estuary]

I assumed cause its a spell thats on me I just block facing anywhere

[lusty grotto]

no

[snow estuary]

thank you

[round cliff]

the conflict between making a hunter as a belf for variety or just playing another orc

[languid nova]

hi!

When in a pull you can use Execute, is it worth it or is it better to cycle between Revenge and Shield Slam?

in ST

[lusty grotto]

in raid?

cause why would you be sudden death in keys

but to answer your question

SS over all

Execute with less than 3 targets

more than 3, Revenge

thats it

no reason to be sudden death in anything other than raid though

[languid nova]

sorry, i mean in keys

:#

[lusty grotto]

what cursed build are you running

[languid nova]

nono, its my first time playing warrior,

[lusty grotto]

you should be this

[languid nova]

soi have that dout

[lusty grotto]

as colossus

uhh

right but

why are you sudden death

or do you mean mobs being in execute range

[languid nova]

I just wanted to know if using Execute in M+ is useful

[lusty grotto]

yes

it is

its great for prio targets

[languid nova]

kk, ty!

[lusty grotto]

so if the target has to die, its good to send it

other than that, use it at less than 3 target

3+ targets you just revenge

[lucid mica]

I've also been told to care to not starve myself and end up with no buttons to press due to execute so much

[languid nova]

i got it ty!

[lusty grotto]

yes you dont wanna send it if its gonna leave you dry

press SS over it, all the time

[lone current]

As prot in priory does everyone go 'left' leaving Elaena up when fighting 1st boss?

[small steeple]

how goes the warrior adventure for you

[lusty grotto]

most of us do yea

[lone current]

Thanks. Just wanted to double check as it seems spell block doesn't actually do anything against those two in that fight (according to the sheet) so i shouldn't rely on it as a defensive

[lusty grotto]

thats correct

[lucid mica]

I'm not having so much time due to being in last month of university so I'm mostly trying to do any 16 at dh, but the weekend I'll play prot and hopefully reach 10s, I'm 638 or so and I live 7s very easily now that I know I can extend SB instead of waiting for it to drop hahaha

[small steeple]

same here man, been super busy with classes myself, good luch with that and the 16s on your vdh. sounds like you're getting the hang of warrior

[lucid mica]

Thanks and hope you're doing well 🙂 I'm really liking war, I expected it to be more boring(?) but it's been really cool

[clear geyser]

Is there an argument to make that prot warrior has the highest skill ceiling?

of tanks

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt say its the highest

brew probably has that spot

and/or a well played BDK

its tied with the rest for sure though

[mighty valley]

it doesn't recover from mistakes that easily at the mid level

but it can kinda be boiled down to a pretty simple set of rules

those rules just aren't that intuitive for a lot of players lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah

its kinda hard to quantify skill ceilings though

[mighty valley]

it might have one of the higher skill floors tbh

and the ceiling isn't that far above it

it's not like we have insane levels of finesse

[solid sun]

It isn’t entirely useless to use spell block on the first boss of Priory

@lusty grotto

[lusty grotto]

with eleana, it kind of is

[solid sun]

You can use it so the boss knows that if they were to try any nonsense spells on you, it wouldn’t work. Kinda lets them know you mean business.

[lusty grotto]

lmao

this is true

[lone current]

I see. It's not about whether spell block works or not, it's about sending a message. 💪 😤

[sinful copper]

What are the hardest dungeons for prot warrior?

[solid sun]

I reckon the hardest dungeons for everyone

[pallid quiver]

I don't think there's any that disproportionately hit Prot War this season so much, tbh

[solid sun]

Luerce always just says what I say but way smarter

Except for when he's right and I'm wrong and then he says what I didn't say because he's way smarter

[pallid quiver]

You're mostly looking for constant magic rot or very heavy burst bleeds

[solid sun]

Kinda hurtful tbh

[pallid quiver]

Of which there's not much that hurts tanks of that variety

Every tank has a bit of rough time on first boss Priory, for example, and there's not anything I can think of off the top of my head where there's constant magic rot

technically miniboss at the end of priory, I guess, but that's more a problem because everyone is getting booty clapped there

There's just not really too much that tells tanks specifically to fuck off this set of dungos; a lot of the harder or pain points is for DPS/Heals

Sense or other high key pushers might have a better idea of it, but I personally can't think of anything that really makes a massive difference for any of the tanks

maybe brew just due to stagger being rough for M+ damage profiles, but that's a forever issue that you just have to simply be good for

[solid sun]

Usually the people playing Brew in keys are already accustomed to that I'd imagine

Doesn't seem like a spec that sees a lot of newcomers

[pallid quiver]

Brew is already not too popular, especially outside raid

It's been pretty stable at the number of players, though

It's a decently fun spec for the people who enjoy its gameplay and flavor

[solid sun]

I usually have fun playing it, but I never push content on it

Up to 10's and that's about it

Is this daily nightfall thing working? Some of my friends are telling me not to bother with it because it's broken

But I'm unsure if this is user error or the game

[pallid quiver]

Last I heard, it was broken, but that was literally hours ago

[elfin pivot]

That first pull in meadery is just showing me how bad im actually playing i need to get a grip

[solid sun]

What's your first pull

[elfin pivot]

the standard big pull on right side with lust

im probably just gonna sit myself in a m0 and keep gathering them until i dont get backshots anymore

[mighty valley]

Record yourself and watch it back so you can get mad at yourself

[solid sun]

Recording yourself is such a cheat code

[elfin pivot]

its replaying in my mind

constantly

[mighty valley]

it's so easy to be like

"why the fuck did i do that" when you watch a vod

[lusty grotto]

Charging in is usually a trap

You open yourself to back hits if you charge anything in the middle

[solid sun]

Edging is def the way to go

I agree

[lusty grotto]

Lmaoo

But sure

[solid sun]

Honestly all jokes aside there really is so much to learn when it comes to how to pull stuff

And group it all up

Seems so straightforward but there's some nuance and skill expression that goes into it

I'm still trying to work the kinks out on that first pull of Floodgate when you sneak by the shredder on the left

And pull the pack behind the platform and then everything on the platform and lust

[elfin pivot]

https://outplayed.tv/world-of-warcraft/grJBg5

is it fine like this?

except that shield charge

[topaz hornet]

what do you guys tech out of for bitter immunity or do you just tell you healers to suck it up

[elfin pivot]

why Bloodsurge over Instigate? is it that much more rage generation? (i blindly copied my build from one of the top prots on raider.io)

[pallid quiver]

The green arrows are situational swaps

If you want Bloodsurge, you give up Instigate

You gain value in bungo pulls, lose out in average pulls and bosses

[mighty valley]

I would not take it unless my healer begged and I liked them

it does not have that many meaningful applications

[pallid quiver]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

i don't since i don't find a use, but i'd give up the point i currently have in intervene for mobility qol

it's really nice for moving around town with

[round cliff]

resident nintendrone reporting in

[lusty grotto]

bloodsurge is only good on very big pulls, instigate is more consistent throughout

and has value with battering ram

[elfin pivot]

✍🏻 okok

[lusty grotto]

dope, but i think ill wait until metroid and/or duskbloods come out

[round cliff]

i want mario kart and donkey kong bananza

metroid is a maybe later buy

duskbloods definitely

[lusty grotto]

donkey kong looks good

[round cliff]

donkey kong looks sooooo good

mario odyssey (monke)

[lusty grotto]

yeah i fucking loved odyssey

[timid needle]

I main dps on another character, so new to tanking. how do people decide what to take from gv? do you sim dps? Prioritize main stat/stam?

[lusty grotto]

yeah simming is the go to

and the wowhead guide is a great resource for trinkets

pins as well

its usually ilvl > all for the most part with some emphasys on haste

the only thing that wont yield good sim results because they are purely defensive are shield track upgrades, which you SHOULD take, and bombsuit which is purely defensive

[timid needle]

ok! Thank you. deciding between m track shoulders and rings

[lusty grotto]

myth shoulders is probably the pick

unless one of the rings is jastor

[timid needle]

alas, no, but it is wick's loop

[lusty grotto]

shoulders it is

myth rings dont have primary stat so its better to go shoulders

or armor, for that matter

[timid needle]

makes sense, thanks!

[sinful copper]

When I look at shield block uptime in details, I want to see 95%+? Or is it in warcraftlogs instead?

[lusty grotto]

warcraftlogs effective uptime is more accurate

details uptime is fine for the most part

but its highly unlikely you will see 95%+

[sinful copper]

Oh so 79% uptime in details is bad? Lolol

[lusty grotto]

wouldnt know

logs better

[sinful copper]

Searing reagent ability from 3rd boss ML hurts so bad. Do I have to have spell block up for it or something? 7m dmg ticks

[lusty grotto]

youve answered your own question

[sinful copper]

Never realized it hurt so much

[lusty grotto]

if spell block is down, just wall

and check the pinned sheet for blockables and reflectables

[neon elk]

Its probably only boss that realy hurts there, but i feel like i cant die there also

Like u get hit like a truck but even if u dont have anything big up your healer should be able to top you before u get another hit, and group doesnt take dmg there

[chilly brook]

nothing because it sucks

[hoary pike]

yknow whats better than bitter immunity

a potion

[sinful copper]

I died on ML 13 cuz it ticked for 7.5m and I didn't realize and didn't pop wall so I just fell over lol

[sharp gale]

8.1m swing in 14

[cerulean scroll]

Hi all, i´m new at protec, only play it one season in DF as an alt, in my first m+ I feel really weak, i´m spaming pain, trying to have shield block and wall high uptimes, but my problems come when my hp falls, I use my victory to heal myself and then i can´t up my hp with my self sustain. Any tips to improve that?

[ionic fern]

Protection is not a self sustaining tank. You mitigate the damage upfront.

You have Last Stand and IV to heal you if needed.

And healers will cover the rest.

More than likely you are failing in some part of the mitigation. Either SB up-time or turning your back to enemies or not casting enough SS so your rage Income is lower so you can cast less IPs..or overlapping defensives.

Which of these you are failing at,I can't say without logs.

[cerulean scroll]

Ok, I think maybe i´m doing something wrong or missing some self heal skill, when i see other protecs in m+ they feel really tanky when they group the pulls. Maybe my low haste makes me don´t have a good SB up-time, i´m 631 now. I´ll try to improve my mitigation up-time and trying to get some logs if i keep hiving this problems to give u more info

[sharp gale]

When I’m healing a prot war/brew, i wait them to be lower to active heal them to top hp, usually just passive heal cover most damage and hp slowly falls and top again by me

My heal targets in a 12 rookery

[wicked pollen]

have you tested if its worth holding demolish for demo shout in execute similar to cs for arms

[elfin pivot]

4 more to go 🫡

[unborn island]

Always just curious, of the people here how many have resilient 14/15/16s?

Personally I'm PSF away from 14s, and can't for the life of me get into 15s

(as expected)

[sharp gale]

I have 13 resil, 2 key in 14, but I’m no pusher, I just do 8 dungeons per week

[unborn island]

Oh I'm not judging one way or another RE progress, I'm just wondering 🙂

[sharp gale]

I have cinderbrew 14 and ML 14, I solo depleted a priory by body pulling end room

[unborn island]

Sounds much like my deplete of the priory by adding the packs near boss onto the miniboss at the end and dying 😒

[sharp gale]

If I do more trashs with the mini boss it’s the patrol / or the right pack

[ionic nimbus]

And this is perfect. You just need to know what kind of dmg is hurting your tank the most. Melee hits won’t hurt a warrior, but magic dmg or bleeds will need you to pump.

[sharp gale]

Yeah it is a bonus to be a tank first when I’m on my rdruid, I know when he needs to be topped before tankbuster, what scares me etc, and if it scares a prot war it terrifies any other tank in my brain, except bleed on some of them

And by routing, I know in advance the heal profiles, so I’m not discovering on my druid

[sharp pasture]

Should I simulate to know what to craft? I say this because simulation does not simulate survival.

I have this and i can do 2 crafts

I was thinking in Wirst ring or boots

[round pendant]

Ring is nice for sure

Neck too

since you can guarantee the stats you want rather than suffering never getting a drop

[cerulean olive]

i got resi 15's, priory 15 was the hardest dungeon for me

[round pendant]

gz

[cerulean olive]

no u

[sharp pasture]

I can do 2 crafts, ring for the circe?

[round pendant]

Sim the ring

Do you have 2 embellishments? it's only minor though

[sharp gale]

I would craft ring and maybe boots / since you already have a myth neck, and max upgrade every myth you already have before thinking crafting again

[round pendant]

oh yeah the neck is myth

I need glasses

[sharp gale]

What I have on me rn

[sharp pasture]

Belt?

[sharp gale]

I don’t any crests left

I spent 0 gilded on hero gear / since week 1

[sharp gale]

Im 255 crests from everything 675

So in 3 weeks I have the achievement if I drop a ring

[solid sun]

It’s Thursday. Is everyone excited

[mortal cypress]

no

[round pendant]

why would I be excited for thursday

[sharp gale]

Thirstday

[solid sun]

Why not be excited

The alternative is far less fun

[tribal goblet]

sorry if im asking this in the wrong place, but are any of the trinkets from the new event (nightfall) any good? like early to mid gearing process

[sharp gale]

It is the same with farts, if you don’t find it funny, you choose to have less fun every time you fart

[sharp gale]

What these trinkets are ? I didn’t start the event yet

i didn’t finish undermined campaign yet

[tribal goblet]

there are a bunch, and they are just champion track, but stat sticks are normally pretty nice

[sharp gale]

I can already say NOP for the effect

[tribal goblet]

if its at cost of stat budget i would agree yeah

[sharp gale]

But it’s a trinket giving secondaries with main stat

So at least you can wear it in the meantime I guess

[solid sun]

Don’t wanna give any blanket statements without seeing all of them but if they’re what you have right now use them

Probably won’t unseat the staples we all currently use

[mild river]

Is shield charge bugged right now? It stuns and does damage BEFORE it hit the mob!

[solid sun]

Idk I’m pretty sure I’ve only used it in melee this entire season

[sharp gale]

Me too

[mild river]

I do tons of world solo stuff and it's happening all the time

[sharp gale]

Maybe as a setup / third charge, but I don’t pay attention

[mild river]

I'd love if you guys could try it and see if it's me going crazy or not

[solid sun]

You’re definitely crazy

Don’t need to test anything to know that

It’s a feature of being a tank

[sharp gale]

I don’t think it is crazy, bc charge lock the target before you are on the target

[mild river]

It stuns AND does the aoe damage before it hits the mobs. I'm gonna deactivate my addons and try again

i mean if you are using it NOT in melee

my english sucks. idk how to explain haha

[solid sun]

You’re explaining it just fine

[mild river]

Just made a video. It does the aoe before and after? look at the floor

[sharp gale]

Doesn’t look crazy, charge root before you get to your target, we are saying we never payed attention

[mild river]

Ok then. Thanks 😊

[heavy hazel]

when i sim as a prot war on raidbots, as its just picks the most dmg gear. How should i think about gear for suviveabililty??

[dusky canopy]

Sweet thing about Prot is gearing for offense also gives you defense

Crit/haste owns both offensively and defensively

[heavy hazel]

vers is just crap now?

[dusky canopy]

You’ll probably get a bunch of mastery too witch is also good

Yeah vers is mid because you can’t stack it to 90% with corruptions

[heavy hazel]

corruptions?

[dusky canopy]

Oh right, that was a “borrowed power” thing in the battle for Azeroth expansion

Gave us giga stats

So tanks would run a ton of vers

Now days you cannot get enough for it to make a noticeable difference

[heavy hazel]

aha i just started playing as prot war this season, and before i only played DF. That was something totally new 😄

thanks for the advice and knowledge

[dusky canopy]

Sure thing Goodluck!

[inland pewter]

hi does anyone know of a spell reflect weakaura that tells me what i can reflect? All i found were ones that annouce successful reflects

im fine without one but i feel like im insulting the spec if im not using it

[heavy hazel]

https://wago.io/pjl-p3su9/16

[inland pewter]

thanks, it's weird that didnt show up when i searched spell reflect on wago

[heavy hazel]

heh i feelt the same as you when i never used it before. Im not mutch better now but it helps 😄

[small steeple]

Good morning fellow zug zugs

[lofty warren]

On the bee boss in cinder what do the little barrels do?

[sharp gale]

They spawn the bees

[small steeple]

That’s like, the bosses entire mechanic my guy

[lofty warren]

Hmm all I know is that you drop the aids next to wall and get aggro on adds

What i miss

[sharp gale]

It is not a tank mech

The barrel spawn the adds, you hop on a dead bee and charge barrels to destroy them so the next add wave they don’t spawn again

[small steeple]

The barrels spawn a new bee every 30 seconds

[sharp gale]

And adds put a NASTY dot

[small steeple]

Adds are also enraged if they stand in the bad too

[sharp gale]

If you love stackable bleed, don’t do barrels

[small steeple]

Make sure to pull all the tiny bees too and ask your healing to not dispel you. The 100+ stacks of the dot is okay and nothing is wrong

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-1750056094467610487

[strong forum]

always has been

nah but stats matter way way less

than people give credit

only thing you need as a tank to survive is play well

no amount of stats can fix a shit tank

outside of bfa s4

or SL s3/s4

[night sparrow]

Assuming im going to take the Abbot up to 658.. do we think it woudl be better than the veteran devotion?

[small steeple]

sim it? does that need a custom apl too?

[dense cradle]

Its not better than tome

also 2k haste proc seems kind of weak unless its near 100% uptime

considering energy drink is like 4k proc

[night sparrow]

RNG hates me.. i keep running priory and getting nothing, or yet another signet while everyone else specs tank and collects hero track devotion books, and cant trade.

[small steeple]

energy drink is also an on use and that would be much higher ilvl i think

[dense cradle]

energy drink is proc

[sharp gale]

tome of devotion is 100k dps just the damage proc alone for me in ST, nothing will beats it this season imo

[small steeple]

Wait is it? What am I thinking of?

[dense cradle]

wowhead says that abbot thing cycles between stat procs

[dusky canopy]

Funhouse lense is the on use delve trinket that’s good

Or ratfang

[dense cradle]

so unless you have near 100% uptime the buff sounds underbudget

[small steeple]

Funhouse thats it ya

[night sparrow]

eh. ive got a signet, i use that with the book

[dense cradle]

funhouse is like 9k stats

at 658

kinda big

[small steeple]

signet is kinda bad on prot war

[dusky canopy]

I took heroic funhouse from vault over a myth piece

It was just too nice to have a 1:30 trinket that didn’t suck

[small steeple]

I've done the same on my dk

[dense cradle]

unironically i feel the shining arathor insignia from the new vendor

is the better trinket

[night sparrow]

well.. i mean.. i have what i have. I dont have a ton of choice, beyond what drops for me.

[dense cradle]

it used to proc alot as a wq trinket

do delves

get a mechanocore or funhouse

[night sparrow]

besides, for me funhouse and signet are the same. Funhouse is crit or haste. Signet is highest, which is crit or haste depending on gear, but theya re close either way

[dense cradle]

signet is 2mins

[small steeple]

Funhouse cd time is better for prot war

[night sparrow]

oh yeah.. didnt think of that, cause if macro trinkets to avatar, anyway

[dense cradle]

the only upside of those trinkets imo

is they give you the free mainstat from the cloaks off same event

4rppm on wowhead

[inland pewter]

has anyone tested if eye of kezan is still our bis in keys, assuming you cant chain pull in some spots like cinderbrew

guessing its not, warcraft logs shows pacemaker and a defensive trinket like ritual mud, tome, or bomb suit

[neon elk]

Wouldnt call tome a defensive trinket

[sharp gale]

Tome is definitely not a defensive trinket

[cerulean burrow]

its defensive in that it lets me hit harder and in turn leech just a bit more

[tribal wharf]

i have big pc parts now, but i will wait to install them

[solid sun]

Doesn’t tome give crit

[neon elk]

In that same case every single stat stick is defensive trinket

[solid sun]

It has defensive qualities

[steady mason]

dead things cant hurt you!

[solid sun]

Is it the same as an absorb shield? No. But it still provides some amount of defensive value

I do agree I wouldn’t call it a defensive trinket, though.

[inland pewter]

Oh yea I forgot it swaps. I'm assuming the idea is to use it on cd yea?

[solid sun]

Eye of Kazan is fantastic in most dungeons if you can maintain stacks. I believe Theater is probably the worst dungeon for it

But you do need to maintain stacks for it to serve better than other trinkets

[inland pewter]

I am notorious for chain pulls. I got that much covered

Sitting there hitting 2 mobs always feels awful

[solid sun]

Workshop can be painful because it has a few moments where you aren’t in combat

[steady mason]

speaking of chaining.... do rogues want to be going back to stealth between pulls?

[inland pewter]

yea i get an earful all the time

[small steeple]

I mean, they want to. Doesn't mean we let em

Not really worth it generally now days

[steady mason]

of course lol

mkay... are there other specs that want 1/2 second of downtime like that?

[small steeple]

Feral? for their stealth opener? Not as important for em though

Honestly easier to think of specs that want chain pulls and to never drop combat

[inland pewter]

i was about to joke and say resto shamans cause their mana issues

but its not that severe

[steady mason]

good call out though

[inland pewter]

i think unholy dk wants huge pulls?

[steady mason]

me. i want to never drop combat

[clear geyser]

why is collosus considered harder in M

plus

[strong forum]

cuz it requires you to use your rage with more of a thought process than thane

[inland pewter]

is it? I havent played mountain thaine. You just rip cds and destroy whatever is there

[solid sun]

Ass rogues run double vanish so they can hold a vanish for chain pulls

[strong forum]

thane just fullsends 90% of its rage into IP

colossus doesnt have as much rage generation and does its dmg with revenge

so you need to more actively think how to use rage to get IP up or not

its also more punishing to fuck up as you have less frequent access to SS and TC

[clear geyser]

thank you for answering

[inland pewter]

tbh sometimes (with the talent) ill pop a shield wall charge to get that 4 seconds of avatar to pop collasus or whtever the cd is called

[strong forum]

yes

thats why colossus is generally better

but it is TECHNICALLY harder

not hard

but harder than thane

[inland pewter]

the only hard part i have ever saaw is when the healer dies and impending victory got used immediately

[strong forum]

well imp victory is used on cd

mostly 😄

[inland pewter]

maybe i dont have enough haste but it feels less self sufficient than a VDH or Prot pally

but the DR is insane and the dmg is i believe the best of the tanks

[steady mason]

thats the trade

[solid sun]

Not a haste thing

Pwar has less self sustain

[inland pewter]

btw what is the ideal haste stopping point since we have that talent that gives us 10% with 5 mobs around us

oh maybe its 8% haste

[tribal wharf]

out of loop but someone i believe here said 18k yesterday

[solid sun]

I’m unsure that there’s necessarily an ideal stopping point

[inland pewter]

oh does it not stop giving GCD reductions

[solid sun]

I think most people here have somewhere between 17k-21k

[inland pewter]

sounds about where im at

[tribal wharf]

more haste = more shield slams = more dmg = quicker kill the trash/boss = complete more keys/raid bosses

something about reloads and pings and dopamine too

[frosty mango]

I have like

29000 haste

Because I am a smooth brain

Shield slam all day

[solid sun]

That’s how much haste you need to make mud viable

[frosty mango]

You know what they say, fail fast

[solid sun]

Roidberg, the 1st mudlord

[tribal wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/l6WQq21xEVo

haste, in a nutshell

[frosty mango]

I don’t really tank raid (they make me heal, rude) but I did 2.6m on vexie and the parse machine said that was good

So in my limited anecdotal experience haste is good

[solid sun]

Seems good

[frosty mango]

I also got shiny numbers on mugzee when they made me tank

[small steeple]

hero or myth vex?

[inland pewter]

2.6m healing as prot war? How many times did you spam ignore pain lmao

[frosty mango]

Uh both? We did heroic skip and then mythic

My dps was similar for both

[small steeple]

I assume he meant damage, healing parses don't matter

[inland pewter]

ah

[frosty mango]

Parse machine says I got a 98 on heroic and mythic is private but I did 2.46m so I assume that’s probs close

[small steeple]

thats pretty good, my 2.4m last night on h vex is rank 18, so 2.4m on m vex is good

[frosty mango]

I don’t think you can actually generate enough rage to do that much healing

[frosty mango]

Execute is juicy

And demolish

Raid tanking is kinda boring tho

I just stood there and hit most of the bosses

[small steeple]

I like it

[inland pewter]

oh yea haste would make execute more often because you'd have more rage

[small steeple]

But most tanks, at least good ones, don't like it, and I get why. Its not like m+ tanking

And most raid tanks are just so passive

[frosty mango]

Heroic mugzee kinda had a mechanic? I moved the boss twice.

Gally has bombs so every minute or two I got to run into something

That was exciting

[inland pewter]

Nah its not boring, you get to shame the dps for being below you

[small steeple]

the big gray block is execute. mmm

[frosty mango]

Fair, and I’m not gonna say I didn’t

[solid sun]

It’s still boring

It’s just boring with attitude

[frosty mango]

I love my raiderbros tho id rather teach them than shame them

Maybe a little shaming

[inland pewter]

i was doing a normal pug last night and i was at the top. I was surprised we got anythign down tbh but it was normal

[frosty mango]

I will say when tanking heroic gally the bombs bugged so as I was charging to the boss they spawned in front of me and I charged into them and got bounced into the hole

That was new and exciting

[inland pewter]

the big aoe everyone moves out of? I think that happens if you hit the center of it

I got trolled so many times with gust of wind on my resto shaman

[small steeple]

normal pug group

[inland pewter]

lol

[small steeple]

Think this was like week 2 or 3

March 21

when did this season start? lol

[outer turtle]

Anyone know roughly how much dps you lose going Mountain Thane in m+?

Like is it significant?

[small steeple]

Yeah quite a lot

No number off the top my head because I haven’t touched MT this season

[outer turtle]

Sweet, ty

[chilly brook]

At least 200k but most likely closer to 400k

[steady mason]

I got 1.89m dps in +13 CB as thane, the top 13 CB is 2.25 as col

[chilly brook]

2.25 seems a little low

But eh

[small steeple]

you including 11.1.0 or just 11.1.5 in that filter?

[steady mason]

1.33 in +13 Mech v top +13 Col is 1.45

[chilly brook]

Only saying that because my 14 logged is 2.4

[steady mason]

uhhh base filters so prob 11.1.5 only

[steady mason]

this range seem accurate though

[chilly brook]

Not sure where you’re getting the numbers from

[steady mason]

13s only?

[chilly brook]

Cuz the top 13 logged is at almost 2.7

[steady mason]

hmmmm

[chilly brook]

For cinderbrew

[steady mason]

i mean im still learning how to read logs so i could be fucking up

yeah i still see my numbers

[small steeple]

send a screenshot

include the search filter part too

[chilly brook]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/43?boss=12661&bracket=13&metric=dps&class=Warrior&spec=Protection&heroTree=62

[small steeple]

thats by points

for MT

[chilly brook]

Yeah you’re sorted by points

Not by damage

This is mountain thane in 13s

[steady mason]

oh yup there we go

[chilly brook]

So quite a few hundred thousand below

[steady mason]

thanks for including me in that screenshot though 🙂

[simple oasis]

switching from fury's gear, how good/bad is suspicious energy drink for prot ? mostly m+

[solid sun]

It’s listed as a b tier trinket on the wowhead page

[inland pewter]

I think mastery is the lower of stats? Maybe im wrong and people run some vers just for higher keys

[round pendant]

all stats are pretty even

but it's haste > crit >= vers > mastery

[frosty mango]

But tldr it is not “bad”

You’ll get a lot more mileage out of tome but using energy drink until you farm one isn’t actively trolling

[hallow smelt]

It’s interesting because house of cards is S tier

[chilly brook]

Big mastery big dam

Not that insane tbh

We don’t stack it normally so it’s going to get more mileage naturally

[hallow smelt]

Well the point was someone asked about energy drink which isn’t very good according to the list but it also gives mastery no?

[chilly brook]

It’s also limited to heroic ilvl at best

At the same ilvl they’re not too far off in terms of relative gain

But also the amount of mastery gained is much much different

Far more skewed in favor of house of cards

[versed talon]

How good is cinderbrew trinket vs pacemaker and devotion?

[solid sun]

Stein?

[versed talon]

yeah

[solid sun]

I’ve never seen it drop, so I have no personal experience with it, but I’ve also never seen anyone here get excited about having it

I’ve seen people here get excited about pacemaker and tome

[versed talon]

i have it in my vault (stein) Myth track but running heroic devo and pace. It's good but i think it's good but not in line with devo / pace even verse heroic to myth tracks

[red tree]

Tome is kind of annoying to use and sometimes you just get stuck in the def mode, but a myth tome upgraded was like 7% of my brewmaster dps in a dungeon (just the damage not counting the massive crit+)

[solid sun]

Dinar news!

[tribal wharf]

will install some day

[fallow plinth]

How does Molten Knuckles go on Prot has any1 tried?

[karmic plinth]

assuming u have a weapon with stats of the same ilvl itll be better on pure st only

[solid sun]

I imagine this version of dinars will mean those of us who don’t raid mythic won’t be buying the shield

Hero track house of cards and jastor diamond would be my guesses

[round pendant]

Oh

Dinars are useless

Thanks blizz

[solid sun]

I mean

Hero track cards and jastor diamond still good right

But def not as useful as they were

[round pendant]

sure but it's a month away for some.. hero loot?

[slender bison]

Summers nearly here, lots of unsubs until S3/expac. Nobody cares about dinars, DF S4 was all time low.

They should think on how to handle content draught better

[hoary pike]

the uppercut animation it does works with transmog’d weapons too and thats really all u need to know

it might not be bis but its my bis

[solid sun]

I wouldn’t say nobody cares about dinars

[slender bison]

From subs point of view, nobody. Subs drop

[solid sun]

This feels like a logical fallacy

S4 having low participation doesn’t mean nobody cares about dinars

[hoary pike]

slightly skewed because BM damage kekw

[nocturne spindle]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24195999/kick-the-war-within-season-2-into-turbo-boost-may-13

no free gallywix loot with dinars

[pallid quiver]

so since i don't raid mythic, dinars are literally useless to me

Pain

[hoary pike]

where does it say that.. u just have to kill hkm once

[solid sun]

People who don’t kill M Gally will not be able to purchase M Gally loot

[urban bane]

the part that says mythic track stuff is only redeemable if you've killed the boss on mythic at least once

[hoary pike]

r we not killing m gally

i wanna kill em

[nocturne spindle]

i mean sure but lets not pretend most people will

[urban bane]

Considering the majority of players do not clear CE, no

[solid sun]

Approximately most of the wow population will not kill M Gally

[nocturne spindle]

its what like 2000 guilds on average kill it?

thats 4000 total tanks so like

[hoary pike]

i hope they do the rotational raid thing they did before and we can get scarab lord trinket

that was fun

[solid sun]

Depends a little bit on how H Jastor Diamond and H Cards sims in comparison to myth track items in those slots

But probs mostly useless, yeah :(

[ionic fern]

Garbage design, agreed.

[ionic nimbus]

pretty worthless ...

liked df s4 coins, this is just meh

atleast another 35 bugs to spent in something usefull

[pallid quiver]

The thing most interesting to me about this dinar implementation is that it helps a disgustingly small portion of the player base. There's a larger portion of players who get their Myth track gear for M+, and never M Raid, who it won't really help on that end. If you're not even getting myth track gear, it's of minimal use since heroic track items are generally easy enough to get unless cataclysmically unlucky by the point the come out.

This mostly benefits people who luck their way into pugging M bosses deep enough for what they want or for guilds who are barely scraping by for CE. If you pretty comfortably get CE or clear bosses fairly early, you're likely loot councilling stuff out, which means you'll likely get the gear eventually unless, again, cataclysmically unlucky.

I probably won't even think about dinars after just today because they're just so limited in value.

[steady mason]

looks like their solution is to time gate content 😦

[slender bison]

Yes, 90 gilded/week to avoid having too much fun. Also you reach 678 in 4 months of subs if you don't raid

[small steeple]

yeah looks like its pretty useless

[steady mason]

I meant more the horrific visions and dastardly duos, but yea... that gate exists too

[slender bison]

It's just content draught. It's WoD, but this time its 90 euros/expac with 2-3 raids per expac

It's perfectly fine to play other games after 2-3 months of sub on an expac

[steady mason]

mine expired this week and I started playing Mass Effect Legendary Edition 🙂

[slender bison]

Good. Maybe resub in S3 with the new M+ rotation

[steady mason]

exactly... maybe 2 weeks before to bump up my gear

[solid sun]

What you’re describing isn’t necessarily a bad thing

Taking breaks from an MMO you end up playing every year is probably a good thing moreso than a bad thing

Unless you really just wanna play WoW

[past cobalt]

do you guys use the vers embellishment or the crit one? for m+

[nocturne spindle]

i ended up with one of each

[chilly brook]

I’d be very surprised if it remains as proposed

[steady mason]

I didnt play for the last round of this, but it certainly seemed like the whole point was gear entitlement / letting players get some power creep

do you think it would be received better if it was still kill restricted but also allowed purchase of M+ gear on mythic track?

like sure I cant get myth bombsuit because I dont raid, but I can pickup myth tomb / pacemaker / mud

[mighty valley]

there are a lot of players who primarily just raid heroic, aotc is their prog goal

[tropic tangle]

yeah, honestly, feels like they were happy to ride hype train when everyone filled in the blanks that it would be the same as every other dinar/bullion iteration except with an item cap

the attitude towards this patch would have been markedly different if they announced these restrictions in the lead up

[steady mason]

woah woah woah, you trying to say clear communication is key to healthy relationships? /s

[solid sun]

I’m pretty sure they even named them dinars

Just like corruption, they really need to stop invoking names with already set expectations

[tropic tangle]

To me it's just so clearly simple to not fuck up this bad lol

[solid sun]

Literally just common sense

[steady mason]

have they done the boost to hero (6/6 to 8/8) before?

[violet ginkgo]

damn, isn't this kind of dinar will make more ppl to create or take bus for Mythic Raid?

[tropic tangle]

not that I know of

[sharp gale]

Is it a sign of a long patch ?

[tropic tangle]

it better be retroactive, but the track record for this patch is not looking good lmao

[wide pilot]

anyone know if they patched the raid rep bug

[steady mason]

the roadmap says 11.2 is summer... so late june/july?

[agile parrot]

probably a question asked a million times by now, but all the reddit or forum posts i can find are from previous seasons - what uptime am i supposed to be able to keep for shield block?

[warm plinth]

Pretty close to 100%, though uptime is a suboptimal metric. % of blocked hits is more useful (only seen on logs)

[pallid quiver]

The problem is that even they don't benefit much from this, since heroic prog groups normally get stuck on last boss, so they either can't even get the main loot or can just farm the loot they want, since it's easy enough. It's more likely to be of use to the group who only raid normal and do nothing else, and even then, they likely won't be doing content to get the crests to upgrade to heroic

Even among the people it can benefit, it's still a very small portion of people, because you have to limit it to people who don't just get a lot of the things as drops.

[warm plinth]

You're a very small portion

Gottem

[pallid quiver]

While technically possible to block 100% of blockable hits, that's not realisitc

[pallid quiver]

i am, indeed, a small portion of the playerbase

we'll start with the fact i even actually look at logs in any meaningful capacity before we even get to my play habits

[sharp gale]

450 more crests to farm is 5 more weeks added to the patch

[pallid quiver]

Realistic good play will tend towards 90%, though you want to aim for 95%+ blocked hits. Things will just naturally clip you in the back sometimes because mob movement jank, or maybe they stepped on a pebble and so now z-axis funny happens and they're definitely behind you now

[tropic tangle]

not when they're lifting the cap

[sharp gale]

oh it's big then

but i think i might be done with the raid end may

so useless to me

[agile parrot]

i see so try max shield block uptime and use the other cooldowns like shield wall/last stand on pull when gathering or as fillers inbetween shield blocks - prot warrior is way more fun than it looked like from the outside
also noone told me about impeding victory, i didnt know it heals this makes a lot so much easier

[steady mason]

cooldown wont reset on kill in m+

[warm plinth]

It will. You have to get the last hit though, which is why it doesn't reset as often as you might think. Even not being last by a millisecond is enough to not reset it.

[agile parrot]

still a heal in a kit with almost no heal

feels so good

[steady mason]

I assumed it was because exp was turned off in m+.... thanks for clarifying

[warm plinth]

There won't be downtime in shield block with proper play/talents

But no one is perfect and you will probably take hits to the back or not have it up at some point; that's why he said blocking 100% of hits is unrealistic.

If you get into the low-mid 90s or blocked hits, that's about as good as it gets for an average

[agile parrot]

isnt the only way to proc it through clicking shield block or shield charge? noone seems to play heavy reprecutions or bolster according to murlok

[warm plinth]

Of*

You should play heavy repercussions unless you have enough haste to play with into the fray. Which is approximately 16k if you also have 4pc (since that gives you shield charge more often)

No one should be using bolster

[agile parrot]

dont have 2 or 4 set yet but isnt that insane uptime on shield charge?

no clue how often luck of the draw actually procs

[warm plinth]

I dont know the numbers off the top of my head

Looks like it's approximately 1ppm

[light drift]

What is best titan shield 6/6 hc or crafted shield 675?

[tropic tangle]

crafted 675

[undone beacon]

Can’t wait to never get my mythic Bombsuit, sadge

[frigid valley]

is the dmg as collosus the main reason 90% of ppl play it instead of thane in keys?

or is it monkey see monkey do

[jagged gust]

revenge go brr

[torn gulch]

A 8/8 Hero Bombsuit will be good enough at 671 ilvl

[jagged gust]

Im already dreading the first week of gilded farming, I gotta stop blowing my runed crests on tuesday reset

[torn gulch]

all the 678 gear that we have will have to be upgraded to 684

[jagged gust]

oh fr?

[torn gulch]

at 30 crests a pop

i suspect so

[jagged gust]

oh you monster, I thought we'd get free upgrades

[torn gulch]

no way

i wonder if they upgrade the achievement to reduced gilded on alts

the ilvl requirement

[jagged gust]

Did they say anything about removing crest cap by the time this "feature" releases?

[torn gulch]

yes they remove it on the 17th

at the same time the turbo season releases

[jagged gust]

ah so plenty of time to stock up, thanks

[torn gulch]

if you intend to stock up and not spend until then then yes

[jagged gust]

oh runed crests yeah

[steady mason]

assuming existing gear gets the upgrade 🙂

[torn gulch]

there will be riots if that does not happen

[jagged gust]

Been blowing my 90 each week buying gilded so I don't have to run anything but the bare minumum of m+ lol

[frigid valley]

it did happen, s2 in df if memoery serves me right

[torn gulch]

you basically invalidate everyone vaults up until the 17th if you don't add 2 levels of myth track on existing gear

[jagged gust]

Blizz: Go agane

[steady mason]

OR you encourage them to keep running to chase gear score!

[small steeple]

dopamine

[torn gulch]

the problem is that you're not getting enough vault gear until the end of the season

to cover your slots

[frigid valley]

who gives a fuck tho, its literally just to catfish us to keep playing

[jagged gust]

I mean vault is welfare epics

[small steeple]

There;s what? 14 slots? In 14 weeks you can have 7 crafts, so in 7 weeks you can have 3 crafts and 7 vault myth, so in week 10 you have 5 crafts, 10 vaults

[jagged gust]

if you cant fill your slots next patch then raid mythic more ig

[frigid valley]

Im a tank, im the bottom of priority on loot xxd

[jagged gust]

thats wild

Some guilds are weird like that

[ruby musk]

Wait what?

[frigid valley]

main has 20 mythic kills, i actually havent looted a single myth item from raid, everything is crafted+keys+vault

[jagged gust]

id leave guild tbh

that's what, 80 mythic pieces?

[ruby musk]

Why even do the raids then if you're gonna just gear out from everything else anyway.

[steady mason]

exactly the kind of player these dinars are for!

[ruby musk]

Well unless you have friends there or whatever then I can see it but if not

[jagged gust]

the people you raid with and the friends you play with don't necessarily have to be the same people

[frigid valley]

ehh, dunno where u at but in eu its feels pretty rough finding guild as tank

[ruby musk]

NA but here it can still be rough since most raid groups have dedicated tanks

[jagged gust]

Just be a better tank mhm

[ruby musk]

I found my guild by showing up in pre-made raid finder and replacing their tank because I was better lol

[jagged gust]

fr, there are a lot of grey parsing 4/8m tanks out there

double their damage, actually position the boss correctly and someone will take you

[nocturne spindle]

dont hate the grey parsing tanks

[nocturne spindle]

they make our parses look better

[ruby musk]

Idk the running joke in my guild is that I'm the bar for dps to beat because I'm usually top 5 on meters

[jagged gust]

I want all warriors to be 100 parsers

[ruby musk]

Colossus has been wild to play

[small steeple]

tell my heroic parses that. Doesn't seem to matter

[frigid valley]

im like 90on myth and 97 or something on hc. to many dumb dps who grief or reroll bi-weekly to ruin good parses

[jagged gust]

damn wtf were you cooking on that OAB kill?

[small steeple]

idk something good. This week i did 400k dps lower. Last week was weird, several 98 and 99s

[jagged gust]

yeah you gapped me by like 300k

oh I got a ton of my parses last week invalidated

[small steeple]

lmao how? did you get pi by more than 1 priest?

also, looking at boss damage instead, its even crazier

[jagged gust]

oh this week my b

something about an NA renown bug

[small steeple]

Oh yeah the 20 renown randomly?

[jagged gust]

yeah reading the logs now I have 4 stacks of the damage buff lol

[small steeple]

lol

[mellow bridge]

how much haste for itf?

[lusty grotto]

15-16k with 4pc

14k at a bare minimum but hard to keep SB up without gaps at that point

[mellow bridge]

ty

[lusty grotto]

so 15 to 16k is recommended

[pallid quiver]

ur recommended

gottem

[small steeple]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

let's no ruin the atmoshpere

we are cultured woryer

[frigid valley]

thats why you bring a healer xdd

[lusty grotto]

no

you just spec HR

[nocturne spindle]

mann

if they arent gonna give me M raid loot

at least let me just get some myth track M+ trinkets

[violet ginkgo]

nope getting that is "fun", blizz doesn't like player having fun.

[lofty warren]

So m+ ppl are getting fcked as far as dinars go?

[stiff gate]

correct

[lofty warren]

Why

[dusky canopy]

They want you to raid

Kinda makes sense

[muted wadi]

kinda sucks if you don't have a mythic raiding guild. I could only kill first 3 bosses on mythic without a guild

[lofty warren]

Bro fuck raiding i hate that shit

[pallid quiver]

There's a lot of breadcrumbs and things trying to incentivize people to do other content, like the breadcrumb crest at delves that tells you to do an M+ dungo

[stiff gate]

if they dont bribe the playerbase with power rewards you can't get elsewhere nobody would spend their time scheduling around 20 people i guess

[dusky canopy]

Exactly that saiyoran

They’re adding additional value to raid content

[lofty warren]

This is so true

[stiff gate]

honestly i even liked raiding back when i did it, but it is crazy how hard they have to subsidize it in terms of ilvl advantage and bis trinkets/weapons to make sure people keep playing the content

[lofty warren]

Blizz taking a dump on m+ again unbelieve

[tropic tangle]

is it really added value though? people who don't currently touch mythic are not likely to jump in when the appeal of the dinar was targeting the rare good shit from last 3 bosses

[dusky canopy]

IMO it seams more so to make people who already do cutting edge mythic raid to have a way to stand out ahead of the rest

Feel more “rewarded”

[lusty grotto]

its not a big deal, keys have very competitive items

[dusky canopy]

Raid is kind of the staple of WoW

[lusty grotto]

the problem would be if the season didnt have competitive items to begin with

[dusky canopy]

The entire game focuses on you defeating the big bad guy at the end of the raid each patch

[tropic tangle]

idk, if they want to incentivize mythic raiding I don't think this is the answer

priority number one would be ditching the strict lockout

[lusty grotto]

oh

i agree

[tropic tangle]

if they really wanted to see myth raid participation rise

[lusty grotto]

100% the fucking lockout has to go

and has had to go for AGES

archaic piece of shit lockout

[dusky canopy]

I agree lockout should go

We should be able to freely hop in and out just like heroic