mostly on gally bomb soaks
#protection
sharp gale
No I’m in battle stance and I’m on bandit
neon elk
Do french not have word for charge and meele ? xd
sour flicker
ugh, I think those are French words in the first place 😄
neon elk
Are they?
sharp gale
Yes they are French word origin
neon elk
Och damn, now i look stupid
sour flicker
this does not affect my decisionmaking; but SIM is actually +100k dps 😄
neon elk
Yea mb i guess
round pendant
you're not a native english speaker right?
I'll cut you some slack
but it's common for native speakers to say shit like that and it's hilarious
I mean stats have defensive value so you can gaslight yourself into believing it's a defensive trinket ig
neon elk
you're not a native english speaker right?
Nah im not
lusty grotto
why shield
im not even considering shield, a myth shield is just as good with a very minimal dps loss
its so minimal that it really doesnt matter
jastor, house of cards, bomb suit are more important
grim pilot
do we even know how many dinars are we getting
or is that being gatekept
for whatever reason
harsh patio
Thank you Blizzgods
lilac widget
hahaha thats beautiful
neon elk
We cant yet
neon elk
Chances are they will release them in like .7 and u can get only 1 cuz why not
final linden
I’ve had this mythic shield in my bags for like 4 weeks been using HC gally I got from the weekly quest
lusty grotto
I’ve had this mythic shield in my bags for like 4 weeks been using HC gally I go...
why
myth shield >>>>>>> heroic gally shield
pick myth shield
sour flicker
why shield
because I like its concept 😉
lusty grotto
youre inting
frozen berry
Are dinars heroic quality gear from raid or from whatever tier you’re clearing?
lusty grotto
we dont know, but the last iteration (in DF) is 12/12 tracks so can get to max myth levels and it doesnt matter if you clear the bosses or not
final linden
Sims said otherwise! At base level, brand new to tanking also so i thought would be better to spend my crests on crafts rather than upgrades, but now im comfortably doing 10s I’ll upgrade it
frozen berry
Dang, myth house of cards would be legit
frozen berry
Sims said otherwise! At base level, brand new to tanking also so i thought would...
Do you think sims show defensive value of block?
lusty grotto
Sims said otherwise! At base level, brand new to tanking also so i thought would...
thats the one scenario where sims arent right
shield is always ilvl first
more ilvl = more block value
more block value = better blocks
final linden
Okay I’ll change to tonight, I haven’t been doing any massively difficult content but I’ll remember this for the future
uneven cliff
hello friends, im just picking up protection warrior and im trying to dumb it down as much as possible because everything is new and im overwhelmed, would it work if i made a castsequence macro with reset=13 shieldblock, shieldslam shieldslam shieldslam etc so i dont sit at 2 charges of shield block? content im doing atm is still trivial so there is no dmg intake to remind me to press shield block
tropic tangle
use the trivial content to practice
solid sun
Use trivial content to learn muscle memory
frozen berry
hello friends, im just picking up protection warrior and im trying to dumb it do...
If you’re having problems keeping up shieldblock, you “CAN* macro shield block and shield slam together
lusty grotto
hello friends, im just picking up protection warrior and im trying to dumb it do...
no
it wouldn't work
shield block management is probably the most important thing for prot specifically
rage management being the other
i suggest just looking for a WA or using the in game thingie
solid sun
Focused practice is very useful in kind of working on individual things at a time and fight against the feeling of being overwhelmed imo. Instead of trying to get better at everything at the same time, work on individual aspects at a time
You can spend time on target dummies simply practicing getting better at reacting to shield slam resets, as an example
uneven cliff
i see, thank you
lusty grotto
i see, thank you
also you shouldnt worry about sitting on 2 charges of SB
you should worry about having it up
in case that wasn't clear
there's a difference
i also would advice against cast sequence macros in general
SB is a maintenance buff, you need to maintain it
stacks on the ability do not matter as long as its up
considering shield charge also grants you SB
with champ's bulwark talented, but everyone should be talented into it
steady mason
Focused practice is very useful in kind of working on individual things at a tim...
underrated advice
I got all 12s on controller with BOTH shield block and IP macro'd to shield slam, then realized this macro was a crutch. I took IP off and I've been practicing proper use of IP and hit 3k. Once I feel more comfortable with it ill take SB off too... just gotta find a bind for it
mortal cypress
underrated advice
I got all 12s on controller with BOTH shield block and IP macr...
You play on controller?
steady mason
sure do
mortal cypress
wow....you have some skills
lusty grotto
gotta be extremely fast with hasted/lusted gcds
quick way to get carpal tunnel lmao
not to mention off gcds like IP and SB
steady mason
I played a lot in wotlk and swore id never play again.... when I came back for tww I said I'd play casually and that using a controller would make it more casual
which it did.... until I started doing m+
rough nest
Hmmmm, this shield or myth track gloves ?
I have 675 shield and hero gloves.
lucid mica
I played a lot in wotlk and swore id never play again.... when I came back for t...
But how do you have enough keybinds? Feel like pwar has a ton of buttons
tropic tangle
Hmmmm, this shield or myth track gloves ?
I have 675 shield and hero gloves.
max ilvl shield is priority
steady mason
But how do you have enough keybinds? Feel like pwar has a ton of buttons
this is why I had all 3 macrod together lol
RT for one bar with my main rotation, RT+LT for another with defensives and off GCD, LT for situation things like mark, drink, etc. no trigger for open map, jump, interact, and other non-combat things
sharp gale
I’ve played some ff14 on controller, if you don’t have cursor shit to do, you have enough keybinds on a controller
steady mason
I’ve played some ff14 on controller, if you don’t have cursor shit to do, you ha...
ConsolePort addon has an option to put the cursor under target when using things like leap/ravager, which you can then move with your stick of choice
lusty grotto
yeah you trigger for page transitions
theres 4 x 3 combinations on each side
with 2 triggersd
sharp gale
Just arrows, and XYAB, 8 binds, just add a RT modifier, you have 16 keybinds
lusty grotto
thats 24 key binds not counting on joystick pushes etc
err
math wrong
36 key binds each side
nono i had it right
its too early need coffee
12 each side, 24 total
sharp gale
And my warrior has 3 rows of binds (so 36)
steady mason
Just arrows, and XYAB, 8 binds, just add a RT modifier, you have 16 keybinds
up/down/left/right/RB/LB/R3/L3/A/B/Y/X=12
RT, LT, RT+LT, no trigger = 4
4x12=48 keybinds
round pendant
hello friends, im just picking up protection warrior and im trying to dumb it do...
it's super ez, got a shield block charge? press it
lusty grotto
Hmmmm, this shield or myth track gloves ?
I have 675 shield and hero gloves.
if you have rik on farm pick shield, if you dont raid pick gloves
cerulean tusk
But how do you have enough keybinds? Feel like pwar has a ton of buttons
You can combine a bunch of buttons in a myriad of ways. Examples, you can combine abilties off GCD with a GCD ability. Then you can also combine that with buttons that don't overlap functionality.
Example is doing pummel with heroic throw. As heroic throw got a minimum range and cant be used in melee, while pummel is only melee. They wont overlap on the press and cause problems.
Then you can combine things that aren't a huge issue if you do. Just suboptimal. Like shieldblock with shieldslam. Avatar with Roar. Things like that.
You just got to make it in a way that makes sense for you.
The number of buttons should shrink down to a total of around 20 odd, if you do so.
mortal cypress
up/down/left/right/RB/LB/R3/L3/A/B/Y/X=12
RT, LT, RT+LT, no trigger = 4
4x12=48 ...
what controller do you use?
sharp gale
I think you could play perfectly, but targeting would be a nightmare
steady mason
what controller do you use?
xbox one... though Ive heard you can use the ps5 touchpad if you want
lusty grotto
oh you have lower triggers
mortal cypress
xbox one... though Ive heard you can use the ps5 touchpad if you want
okey dokey
sharp gale
I think my random kick macro would be fire on a controller
lusty grotto
or is it joystick clicks you use to page?
steady mason
I think you could play perfectly, but targeting would be a nightmare
yeah targetting can be a pain but its really not bad.... i swear tab targetting has priority built in. plus I can focus a prio target and use a focus kick macro
sharp gale
yeah targetting can be a pain but its really not bad.... i swear tab targetting ...
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Mind Freeze
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast Mind Freeze
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack
It’s a gift, replace the 2 mind freeze with pummel
lusty grotto
with a pro controller you can have even more
steady mason
l3/r3 = joystick pushes?
joystick
lusty grotto
i see
rough nest
if you have rik on farm pick shield, if you dont raid pick gloves
I don't do mythic raids
lusty grotto
pick gloves then
ps5 pro or xbox pro with lower triggers is an extra page on each side
rough nest
max ilvl shield is priority
yeah, just wondering if 3ilvl on a shield is really better than 20 on gloves...
lusty grotto
its comparable yes
cerulean tusk
Probably is, nothing beats the compoundable value more block
also, haste/crit are nice stats
lusty grotto
oh
i didnt see which shield it was
yeah f it, pick shield
you can get myth gloves later, you'll have more cata charges if youre unlucky
steady mason
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Mind Freeze
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,h...
this is way more complex than mine... if im reading right it kicks the focus target if exists, otherwise makes current target focus and kicks?
sharp gale
this is way more complex than mine... if im reading right it kicks the focus tar...
The two first line is to kick and stop the macro if you have a focus, after it’s to do a TAB + KICK, and return on your current target, if I’m correct
I use it in pug, when something is casted I press, it kicks it whatever im hitting the caster or not*
(I need to be in kick range)
rough nest
yeah f it, pick shield
🫡
lusty grotto
yeah thats a weird macro for something you can do with 2 binds
sharp gale
Yes it’s just tab + kick + re click on your target basically
lusty grotto
ah i see
steady mason
how does it know to kick the correct target?
heavy sparrow
I used to use a focus target
Shift+cast and my current target regular cast on a hpally back in cata
sharp gale
It’s not mine, I just did couple keys with it in pug bc no coordination
sharp gale
how does it know to kick the correct target?
Tab is smart tab in wow
heavy sparrow
I do that with intervene
steady mason
so it DOES have prio built in
io knew it
so often when someone pulled aggro one tab would go to the free mob
lusty grotto
I used to use a focus target
Shift+cast and my current target regular cast on a...
we use focus for kicks
steady mason
not always but probably 90% of the time
lusty grotto
but that's not what they are talking about anyway
sweet summit
if you tab to kick i wish you a very good luck
sharp gale
Yes it’s not a focus kick macro
lusty grotto
since happy clarified
lusty grotto
if you tab to kick i wish you a very good luck
its just a suggestion for our controller friend
heavy sparrow
Thanks Nim. I'm on the bus ride to the office so I'm kinda jumping in lol
lusty grotto
since targetting in controller can be different
lusty grotto
no worries, just clarifying
sharp gale
Example on when I tried it and found it cool, (would still have a regular kick button ofc), priory packs with paladins, I’m just hitting the paladins, the 2 casters starts their casts, I press it kicks one of them random without needing me to target one
Not cool was on big momma, it seems if you press and not in range it still waste kick
steady mason
Example on when I tried it and found it cool, (would still have a regular kick b...
ill give it a shot... right now I can focus one or keep target prio (say, on star) and watch that one. if other casts look like theyll go odd I can shockwave/other stun/disrupting shout
Im under no illusions ill be a top 100 player like this
lusty grotto
yeah thats what most of us do
heavy sparrow
I was in a pug ML 12 last night and there was one guy who was indicating to us pugs to use our interrupts first before our aoe like shockwave
sharp gale
That’s how you should do in coordination group
lusty grotto
unless an ability is only stoppable
sweet summit
can you not macro on controller?
sharp gale
The meta comp kick rota is kicks/stop/sigil/beam/kicks
steady mason
can you not macro on controller?
of course, the ONLY difference is that I use RT+A for shield slam instead of SHIFT+1
and lack of a mouse cursor
solid sun
Does that mean you can’t hover over things
sharp gale
Yeah so it’s just @ player I guess
steady mason
Does that mean you can’t hover over things
yea, no onhover
dunno how someone could play healer on controller
frosty mango
dunno how someone could play healer on controller
Same way clickers play
steady mason
but ive heard stories of people (person?) getting glad in arena with one
solid sun
Do you have a mouse connected also, like if loot drops and you wanna hover over the item to see what it is or whatever
frosty mango
Some people are just wired like that
steady mason
Do you have a mouse connected also, like if loot drops and you wanna hover over ...
100%
sharp gale
dunno how someone could play healer on controller
Like a PvP healer
sweet summit
of course, the ONLY difference is that I use RT+A for shield slam instead of SHI...
that's cool
frosty mango
One of the guys in my guild is a pure clicker, regularly gets orange/pink parses
Even watching him do it I can’t comprehend how his brain does it
solid sun
What spec does he play
frosty mango
Doesn’t matter, he does it on all of them
sharp gale
Ret 100%
solid sun
No keybinds at all?
frosty mango
Nope
solid sun
Pure clickable action
frosty mango
Not a one
Literally clicking every button
Click, target, click, target, click click click
sharp gale
I had 1 clicker in my guild back in bfa, it was not an issue, we still did 11/12 Nya fine
frosty mango
Always knows where his mouse is somehow
sweet summit
nya :3
steady mason
when we're talking about eeking out an extra 1% dps or say the vault choice to upgrade a shield from 675 to 678, I dont think this matters to the majority of players.... YES its objectively better but like unless you're in the 95% percentile or above I dont think it will make any difference in game
i feel the same about using a controller
frosty mango
Completely different things
Upgrading gear is a relative upgrade, it’s objective and quantitative
It always matters
Controller vs no controller is completely subjective
sharp gale
i feel the same about using a controller
And you are right, if there is no problem, it means there is no problem
steady mason
i already said its objectively better
my point is that most players miss out on so many places to optimize that their focus/attention for improvement can always be placed somewhere else for better results
frosty mango
I dunno there’s lots of wierd savants out there doing all kinds of strange shit
frosty mango
my point is that most players miss out on so many places to optimize that their ...
Ok this I agree with 1000%
sharp gale
But it’s true that be 100% efficient on gearing is the free win dps part since it needs no physical play improvement
steady mason
But it’s true that be 100% efficient on gearing is the *free win* dps part since...
also true
steady mason
Someone bring up ritual mud vs bombshell again
i dont like mud because I didnt want to fit it on my bars
frosty mango
i dont like mud because I didnt want to fit it on my bars
You just bind it to shield slam
Along with shield block and ignore pain /s don’t beat me
steady mason
hey now, IP isnt on that macro anymore
its a good example of what I was saying though.... I had it there and got resil 12 without issue
but to get better I needed to learn to play the spec better
frosty mango
I was trying to incite violence not calm discussion
steady mason
lusty grotto
wait
what
wait whats bombshell
where is this mud vs bomb suit discussion
if its a bombshell discussion im not interested
i just wanna see the mental gymnastics the mud defenders are doing
cerulean tusk
Mud is really strong in lowkeys
You immortal
Shield will never break
Mud is superior
steady mason
i just wanna see the mental gymnastics the mud defenders are doing
my faulty start of season logic was that Im not a dwarf and the bleed in ML miniboss before boss 2 kept killing me and with CD being reduced with ticks its a massive shield on a low CD
in other words, it was a crutch for bad play 🙂
same for dailcry in prio
lusty grotto
i only use mud sometimes cause i dont have bomb suit 😢
and given my luck with tome
thats not gonna happen until i get a dinar
steady mason
or maybe bad luck with tome indicates youll get it quickly off gally?
lusty grotto
lol i doubt that
heavy sparrow
Mud is not bad tried it a few times
heavy sparrow
Oh interesting first time seeing it. The haste would make sense
Yeah I guess so since it's use on cd basically
lusty grotto
no
its due to CD and its a partial absorb, the haste is not a factor its just the cherry on top
solid sun
I got the hero track bombsuit last night
Not sure I’ll end up using it instead of tome + pacemaker but maybe if I start getting exposed in keys as being bad
round pendant
3 circles right behind us on swampface last night
no one moved
literally just a wall of fucking waves
dps goes "really?"
harsh trellis
lol
round pendant
I hate how fuckin rng that boss is
sometimes you have the easiest time where you never even have to move
othertimes you have to do the craziest shmovement of your life
harsh trellis
I always pull the boss away from the wall for that. Also is it just a thing that everyone goes clockwise around the boss? I know Tactyks out out that video a while ago stating itsjust easier if everybody does that.
SO I still explain that beofre we start
dusky canopy
Wall bad
round pendant
yeah I drag it away
hardy snow
our holy priest just stands away from group
lusty grotto
they wont, pick jastor
chrome sapphire
I've ditched all the mastery I can from gear, but with the Jastor's huge mastery infusion, mastery overtook haste as top stat.
chrome sapphire
Well Im not wearing worse ilvl gear just to get rid of mastery, to be clear.
But I thought mastery was our worst secondary stat. Or at least, least valuable.
lusty grotto
that doesnt mean its worthless
topaz hornet
Is eye still worth in M+?
lusty grotto
if you can maintain combat its S+
dusky canopy
lusty grotto
so avoid using it on dungeons with a lot of RP and travel time
its very good in priory
topaz hornet
so meh in TOP
harsh trellis
I like the cinderbrew changes
harsh trellis
so this got posted yesterday for DFC. IM sure itll get patch if its not patched already but...... check this out....
where are you supposed to kill sully? On the stairs?
this seems insane to me
lusty grotto
yeah it was posted a couple of days ago in wowhead
topaz hornet
do you think a heroic eye would still be worth to take over a champion mechano-core in the less efficient ones
lusty grotto
probably not
for example in Workshop or ToP the amount time to ramp up Kezan again would be a dps loss
on every reset
solid sun
Can grab citizens for the obstacle course
But conveyor belt and the flying part your SOL
round pendant
so this got posted yesterday for DFC. IM sure itll get patch if its not patched ...
it's super ez with 2nd one but I just did suleyman normally cause he's not that inefficient with extra packs
second one is NICE though
hope they don't fix it
round pendant
I was having a nice time in a +12 priory and then the frontal fucked up and killed someone it wasn't even pointed at
thanks blizz
round pendant
The changes to sharpshooters seem noticeable
what changes?
solid sun
Their potshot or whatever had the cd increased by 100%
solid sun
Same time they changed lynxes
solid sun
I can’t remember if it was a hotfix last week or with this reset
But it’s been recently
Think it was in for part of last week
Cinderbrew hop goblins got changed too
solid sun
They don’t spawn droplets when they die
round pendant
I was hoping I'd have a nicer time next time I play priory
tacit smelt
I cant for the life of me remember the wa/addon i had that tracked the spell queue of mob abilities, its like a top to bottom scrolling bar with the icon
small steeple
raid timeline wa?
tacit smelt
eh does it work fo M+
sharp gale
Cinderbrew hop goblins got changed too
It was already last week the hopgoblin change
tacit smelt
@round pendant gonna go walk into a M0 and see if it works on non-boss enemies
lusty grotto
<@71384769899794432> gonna go walk into a M0 and see if it works on non-boss ene...
if its not tracked by dbm or bigwigs, you wont see it
its just a different way to post dbm/bigwigs timers
golden panther
do you think a heroic eye would still be worth to take over a champion mechano-...
should not take eye unless u raid basically its garbo in M+ prob extra grief as a tank since the other trinkets are just so much better than eye
lusty grotto
should not take eye unless u raid basically its garbo in M+ prob extra grief as ...
no
golden panther
yes lol its very bad
lusty grotto
no
tacit smelt
just type "timeline" in wago
i did and am currently trying the first one hence why i was going into a M0
lusty grotto
👍
golden panther
both pacemaker and tome are just flat out better but if u want man
lusty grotto
no
chilly brook
should not take eye unless u raid basically its garbo in M+ prob extra grief as ...
So in what world, would a trinket that’s arguably the best trinket in raid because it’s just an insane main stat trinket on longer fights, is it suddenly bad in m+?
nocturne spindle
mannn
golden panther
because in an actual run theres a lot of situational things that can cause you to lose all stacks
golden panther
in a perfect world yes its good
lusty grotto
so were anvil and cataclysmic signet brand bad?
by your logic?
cause they werent
they were big fucking BIS
chilly brook
because in an actual run theres a lot of situational things that can cause you t...
You are the tank, you decide what gets pulled and when
lusty grotto
not just for tanks, but for melee as well
golden panther
going into the first pull it gives you nothing until you ramp
also people die man so no not really you dont always decide 100% of the time what gets pulled lol
lusty grotto
just like anvil and cataclysmic signet brand
chilly brook
That doesn’t mean it can’t be a good trinket in m+
golden panther
yeah i mean its ur trinket u can choose to use it
lusty grotto
people die? if youre doing content where people are just dropping then youre right its probably bad
jsut like using it on a sub 5 min boss
chilly brook
Also just because someone dies doesn’t mean you need to stop
Or that it’s even going to lose you all stacks
nocturne spindle
tbf anvil had a much longer timer before you lose stacks
chilly brook
You lose one stack per 2 seconds
nocturne spindle
and you could extra cheese it with saving the cast to get 30 seconds
chilly brook
At worst if you pull before the 20 seconds is up out of combat you’re at 10 stacks so you’re not even that bad off
(You can also do the same toy cheeses you’d do for anvil or brand btw)
chilly brook
i think worn doll was nerfed, wasnt it?
Can drop target dummy tho no?
nocturne spindle
is the M+ cheese just dummies?
lusty grotto
yeah
im not sure target dummies work
but worn doll did
i just dont know if it still does
so cant say for certain
worth a try
chilly brook
idk any time I've used the trinket I'vew not needed to try
frosty mango
i just dont know if it still does
I tried the other day and it didn’t seem to work
lusty grotto
i know in workshop you can just agro random shit around the sneak gauntlet so thats good
frosty mango
But I didn’t get much of a chance to really check because dps kept pullin
frosty mango
It spawned and I tclapped it but I didn’t go into combat
lusty grotto
ah rip
chilly brook
ye
lusty grotto
im sure there's another new toy we havent tried
frosty mango
I think we can maybe try to demo shout it (so it doesn’t immediately die) but I think they changed it so it doesn’t start combat
golden panther
at 10 stacks of kezan, you get 4k str
baseline for pacemaker same lvl you get a tiny bit more
golden panther
ur basically just walking around with 10 kezan stacks at all times while wearing pacemaker and not even counting the actual use crit boost of the trinket
yeah sims will always have kezan be better lol
because thats how sims work
kezan is just better in sims and in a perfect world
lusty grotto
if you dont wanna use it, dont use it, but I already talked to the guy youre replying to about the ins and the outs
blanket statements like "its dogshit in M+" just wont fly here
chilly brook
only reason I dropped stacks before the last boss RP was because I died stupidly
solid sun
I’ve never paid attention to what the trinket says
Do you lose main stat at 20 stacks?
chilly brook
Do you lose main stat at 20 stacks?
nah just ramping main stat
lusty grotto
no, you maintain it
lusty grotto
yeah its just an okay bonus
solid sun
I see
I guess if you’re really good at staying in combat which tbh I’ve noticed is a weakness of mine
For some reason I’ve made it a habit to not move on until all the mobs are dead sometimes
chilly brook
me fuckin around as arms
also essentially a 20 stack the whole dungeon experience as long as you don't eat bombs that bugged and instantly went off like I did
Only time it drops in Cinderbrew is the bee ride up to Yes Men
And there are ways to negate that
(bring priest/warlock)
the lowest it got that whole key not counting the bee ride is 16 stacks
heavy sparrow
I saw this build and wanted to see what people's take on it is.
heavy sparrow
They pose with bloodsurge, both roar & spear and no bulwark
chilly brook
what in the
heavy sparrow
Right?
lusty grotto
yeah that's a cursed build
heavy sparrow
I seen something like this last season with someone doing 14s
lusty grotto
why the fuck arent they picking bulwark
chilly brook
dropping champs bulwark is tf
heavy sparrow
And something like this again
chilly brook
this is like that cooked troar/spear yoda thane build lmao
sharp gale
It is a brave no second charge build I’m seeing here
lusty grotto
and they should be full sending into spear OR into troar
why would they pick troar without Twords + Crackling
chilly brook
thunderlord is a wild pick
lusty grotto
its nerfed snap threat
TL is fine for defensive use on a REALLY HIGH key
but even then its debatable
since TC usage needs to be factored in
sharp gale
Champion bulwark is the biggest ????
chilly brook
not catching me not doing this for TL
lusty grotto
Champion bulwark is the biggest ????
agreed
sharp gale
The rest is not that INTING compared to bulwark
sharp gale
It is but you will not DIE
lusty grotto
yeah ig
sharp gale
Bulwark you will die
lusty grotto
your snap threat will suffer though so others might die
chilly brook
I'm still not convinced on bloodsurge
lusty grotto
depending on dungeon
eh i use bloodsurge in priory and cinderbrew, its okay
but you wont gain much compared to instigate
so i agree
my opinion is stop pulling builds from random people lmao
chilly brook
I just look to see what Sense does tbh
lusty grotto
that's fine, usually Sense provides his reasoning here
chilly brook
speaking of
lusty grotto
but also hes not cooking without bulwark lmao
chilly brook
I see he's dropped Rally for Crackling
which valid
kinda a meh CD in raid much less keys
sharp gale
Like the 30sec leap/ second charge (dungeon context), there are not that important
heavy sparrow
I'm still not convinced on bloodsurge
Agreed. Why take battering ram and not take instigate?
lusty grotto
thats a good point
chilly brook
Agreed. Why take battering ram and not take instigate?
whose build is this anyways?
heavy sparrow
Don't want to name anyone but inboxed
chilly brook
not familiar
heavy sparrow
Not saying it's a bad build just wanting to get people's take and might know about the spear and roar that I don't know about lmao
sharp gale
It is bad
chilly brook
I'd only pay attention to Sense and Plka for builds
assuming high keys are your goal
sharp gale
Or Chinese Cooks
lusty grotto
could be
chilly brook
Chinese cooks are wild
round cliff
where mud
lusty grotto
chilly brook
ive seen mythic mud in my vault like every week
great trinket in priory tbh
sharp gale
they try random shit all the time
But he has resilient 18, the Cook is cooking in the right kitchen
chilly brook
But he has resilient 18, the Cook is cooking in the right kitchen
tbf there is a limit to when your build (for the most part) stops mattering and everything else matters a whole lot more
Obviously if you've burnt the build you're just gonna get owned
steady mason
too many cooks in the kitchen leads to spoiled food
chilly brook
very cursed
lusty grotto
the only reasoning i can see with the troar/spear split is using spear for utility
but troar without nodes is just dogshit snap threat
i just dont understand it
no cd being reduced either
sharp gale
If I were to split, I would take 45 roar bc roar and simple spear would be utility too
steady mason
maybe spear in DFC to counter the smash that sends mobs flying?
chilly brook
maybe spear in DFC to counter the smash that sends mobs flying?
why
lusty grotto
if you want spear for the utility, you very likely wont use it repeatedly
chilly brook
you just shockwave lol
steady mason
just grasping at straws
chilly brook
the knockup from shockwave stops momentum
round cliff
good to know
lusty grotto
they usually have a druid
round cliff
how tight is the timing
lusty grotto
so vortex is in play
sharp gale
Or have a mage nova the shitters
chilly brook
or you stay in the circle and you micro move all the mobs to the side that's next to the wall
and then they go nowhere
lusty grotto
shockwave > vortex > shockwave
chilly brook
how tight is the timing
just send it at the end of the cast
lusty grotto
chilly brook
it's not super difficult
lusty grotto
ring of peace also works too
chilly brook
as long as you can see the timer
lusty grotto
and shaman knock up
heavy sparrow
the only reasoning i can see with the troar/spear split is using spear for utili...
To be fair I'd see the roar as just another aoe taunt for chain pulling another pack into the other 2-3 packs while DPS is interupting
lusty grotto
you can do that with just crackling + tc
heavy sparrow
you can do that with just crackling + tc
True, cause the rend
lusty grotto
even then its minimal without full Troar talents
cause you dont have Twords
and no -45s cd reduction
its kinda meaningless to pick it without the two
or at the very least just one if you need a baseline spear for utility
cerulean burrow
i dunno at the start of massive pulls without your aoe taunt once all the mobs come in roar feels pretty necessary and good to immediately grab threat from the blasting frothing at the mouth dps
heavy sparrow
Exactly that
lusty grotto
yes but you guys are playing troar with full nodes
try it without twords and -45s cd
lusty grotto
heavy sparrow
Maybe high high keys the 1.5 is their wiggle room? I mean we sim our DPS to 1min 30 seconds
lusty grotto
its a possibility
and maybe the snap threat isnt needed at all since its a coordinated group
cerulean burrow
the only rationale ive been able to find is like on 17 18 the packs take long to die and it might be up in time again? or they wait? cuz at that point its all premade
lusty grotto
so why spec troar at all?
heavy sparrow
Could be a pack to pack thing, but for like 14 keys and below, 45 seconds is practical
heavy sparrow
so why spec troar at all?
Ikr
lusty grotto
you dont really use troar for pack to pack
well
you can, but its better to save for a double at the very least
cerulean burrow
yeah ill sometiems send it in the same pack but if everytings at like a quarter hp im just waiting for next to send and get all the bleeds out
lusty grotto
similar to ravager yea
chilly brook
you dont really use troar for pack to pack
you guys only pull one pack at a time?
lusty grotto
no lol im just addresing what Mcaulkiner said
cerulean burrow
i believe in this instance by "pack" were talking one pull
or at least i was
wether thats 3 packs or 4
lusty grotto
i see
solid sun
Every dungeon starts with the first step, step by step, pack by pack, and when you turn around and see four sets of footprints instead of 5, that’s when the healer carried you
cerulean burrow
chilly brook
so uhhh just got resil 12 on my monk and apparently I'm already about to hit resil 13s lmao
chilly brook
Settle it down let the rest of us catch up on our first character
push 🙂
12s are ez pz
chilly brook
13s are basically 12s
dusky canopy
Monk owns bro!
solid sun
Would you sooner talent into BSV or replace tome with bombsuit to pair with pacemaker
dusky canopy
I always have fun on the monk
heavy sparrow
Would you sooner talent into BSV or replace tome with bombsuit to pair with pace...
Try both, have some fun with it and tell us how it went
If I want to be or feel comfortable in a key I'd do the same
round cliff
12s are ez pz
just barely didn't time a 13 cuz of tiny mistakes this shit gets difficult quick
😭
i think i pulled one pack extra and our hunter fat fingered lust in the wrong spot
key dead
7 deaths too ig
steady mason
Would you sooner talent into BSV or replace tome with bombsuit to pair with pace...
i like tome/pacemaker/bsv, but I dont have bombsuit so its an easy choice
chilly brook
Would you sooner talent into BSV or replace tome with bombsuit to pair with pace...
Don't have bombsuit so
If you look at the highest keys tho a lot of people are running an absorb and BSV
sharp gale
Mud 658 enjoyer I see
sick grotto
noticed that some of the higher keys are dropping indom to keep ravager bsv and bulwark
shut summit
indom is not that great anymore unfortunately
sick grotto
just cause since s1 they nerfed our rage gen?
shut summit
and nerfed the talent
sick grotto
eh i might drop for ravager see how it goes
shut summit
just look at logs of how much it's actually healing / overhealing, not really that useful anymore
frosty mango
I haven’t run it in some time and have not missed it
sick grotto
mmm just noticed that some of the high keys still keep it just not many
will run a few without having ravager is pretty nice
frosty mango
I will never give up my beloved ravager
solid sun
Yeah not having ravager is cursed
Ravager and mud is all you need
(Sarcasm about mud)
sick grotto
eh i mean its not that bad im still doing 2mil dps overall and feel tanky still
steady mason
i dropped indom for ravager 2 weeks ago and my dps went up 5-10%. though to be fair i also got pacemaker in that time
frosty mango
Gather*
solid sun
It’s about the rage gen and gathering help
sick grotto
you guys are using it to gather don't you lose a instance of dmg and rage due to travel time?
heavy sparrow
I will never give up my beloved ravager
I'm always happy to give up ravager in exchange for battering ram 8)
lusty grotto
you guys are using it to gather don't you lose a instance of dmg and rage due to...
no, you use it on the path so it hits as many mobs as possible as they come to you
you cant just send it to a single pack, youll lose value
ideally as close as you can to where you will end up tanking
its a good rage intake for indirect threat via revenge spam
sick grotto
i generally been throwing it at my feet to avoid missing dmg i feel like there is extremely few isntances you dont have enough tools to aggro 3-4 packs at once
like double charge leap and provoke
lusty grotto
what pull in particular
sick grotto
just seems edge case
like for instance maybe 2nd pull in flood
but yeah just seems niche
id rather use for more dmg and tag with tc or revenge and roar when they come in
lusty grotto
well idk what your 2nd pull is
solid sun
Ravager doesn’t seem particularly niche. It helps enable revenge spam. It seems like not having ravager for something else would be more niche
But maybe I’m not understanding
sick grotto
i like ravager dont get me wrong
lusty grotto
but if its this one
sick grotto
i just feel throwing it to tage
lusty grotto
i just leap to the top pack, tclap
sick grotto
yeah but i pull south pack after
sick grotto
with scaffold guy
chilly brook
i generally been throwing it at my feet to avoid missing dmg i feel like there i...
first pull is a bit sketch
chilly brook
in Floodgate
sick grotto
ask for kick top kek
lusty grotto
run over to architect
sick grotto
feels rare in pugs
amber wedge
been running w/o ravager and feels fine, not sure if you drop battering ram if u want it
chilly brook
someone always ends up pulling something
sick grotto
but yeh
lusty grotto
youre not losing anything by asking
if they dont kick, they die
thats not your problem
its a single kick
sick grotto
but yeah for packs like that i wouldnt want to throw ravager to aggro one of them
lusty grotto
and most dps will recognize it has to be done
chilly brook
been running w/o ravager and feels fine, not sure if you drop battering ram if u...
you can, some people run it in higher keys some people drop battering ram for ravager
lusty grotto
but yeah for packs like that i wouldnt want to throw ravager to aggro one of the...
i dont
just leap over the water and tclap
sick grotto
yeah and wait for them to group then throw
chilly brook
but yeah for packs like that i wouldnt want to throw ravager to aggro one of the...
why not if you're ending up at said pack?
lusty grotto
yeah and wait for them to group then throw
chilly brook
aggro three send ravager at the 4th as you're moving to it
amber wedge
you can, some people run it in higher keys some people drop battering ram for ra...
yeah dont feel high impact with battering ram but it doesn't feel bad either
lusty grotto
yes
sick grotto
its for the slam reset?
mighty valley
surely ravager doesn't tick until it arrives at the spot you targeted, am I wrong?
lusty grotto
refer to this
sick grotto
no it does iirc
lusty grotto
with arrows just indicating potential swaps just depending on what you need
thats what we're running
or any variation with those swaps
amber wedge
I tried thunderlord, wasnt bad
sick grotto
is bloodsurge not good?
lusty grotto
no
mighty valley
low vs high target dungeons i think
lusty grotto
its okay to use in big pull dungeons like priory and cinder, but its not a big increase from instigate since instigate is more consistent especially with battering ram
mighty valley
if you spend tons of time in giant pulls and barely any in boss fights, bloodsurge can pull ahead
sick grotto
and the ss reset is kinda nice suppose
lusty grotto
of course
mighty valley
yeah battering ram is good this season since we shield charge way more
lusty grotto
☝️
sick grotto
was shield charging a bunch last season as well its been pretty decent then as well bulwark is good
you couldnt run ITF without it
lusty grotto
its way better this season since cdr from tier
mighty valley
yeah bulwark is a given regardless of tier
lusty grotto
and regardless of ITF
you still pick it with HR
and regardless of hero tree as well
heavy sparrow
chart intensifies
sinful copper
Is there a way to quickly search through a log for how many hits a tank took in the back?
nocturne spindle
click melee
mouse over hits on damage taken page
which is technically just non blocked hits
buts helpful to guesstimate
lusty grotto
Is there a way to quickly search through a log for how many hits a tank took in ...
damage taken, click on SB to negate it
hardy grove
What’s standard uptime for shield block
lusty grotto
as close to 100% as possible
steady mason
What’s standard uptime for shield block
im learning to go through logs atm and I'm comparing my 13 mechagon to the #100 and #500
I had 84.7%
#100 had 84.8
#500 had 79.6
hardy snow
Finally Rik dropped sword 
nocturne spindle
theres actual like down time in dungeons
so you will never really hit 100
like the sneak phase, the conveyer belt trash chute
hardy grove
So 80-90 is good depending on the dungeon ?
nocturne spindle
yea
steady mason
i cant give advice since this is the first time ive looked through logs with intent. those were just the numbers I was actively looking at when you asked
strong forum
goal is ofc over 95
but while gathering and stuff or gigantic pulls, sometimes things slip through the cracks
but even i myself usually hover between 85 and 90
nocturne spindle
i was about to say
steady mason
theres actual like down time in dungeons
is there an "in combat" toggle to remove downtime from these values?
strong forum
yeah nahahnahaha
ionic fern
strong forum
yah
nocturne spindle
is there an "in combat" toggle to remove downtime from these values?
not that i know of
undone beacon
Oh @lusty grotto I forgot to give you the patented bear update
Bear keeps eating good fr fr ong
kind urchin
Just started teaching my 4 year old nephew how to play WoW.
undone beacon
Get him on the bear
kind urchin
He picked warrior.
steady mason
He picked warrior.
sinful copper
damage taken, click on SB to negate it
Is this only for warriors or can I apply something similar to vdh?
sinful copper
Cuz no shield haha
Yeah
But the non shield block could be me dropping shield block right?
lusty grotto
but you can identify which hits werent parried without fel spikes or something
yeah
you gotta cross reference with uptime
its a little complex
but negating helps narrow it down
sinful copper
So it only estimates hits in back if u have 100% shield block uptime?
And for vdh it could be more complicated?
pallid quiver
So it only estimates hits in back if u have 100% shield block uptime?
You can get a useful estimate of hits to the back by having shield block active in the source aura filter
pallid quiver
Shield Block sets your block % to 100, so any unblocked hits are either unblockable or back hits
lusty grotto
sorry in the middle of meetings
sinful copper
Cuz on big pulls I sometimes get chunked so hard before I've done much and someone earlier mentioned it could be hits in my back so I want to log and look at them
lusty grotto
make sure the icon is green on SB
pallid quiver
Yeah, for that, you'll want to zoom into to just the timeframe of the pull
Then as Nim mentioned above
You can zoom in to a timeframe by clicking and dragging
In the most recent log review for Prot War in the logs threads, I did a little run down of how to look at some things in logs
lusty grotto
i had 46 back hits in this particular full run
sinful copper
And sometimes I'll click something and press demolish and it will spin my character towards it and other things are hitting me in the back. It's so bad
lusty grotto
95% effective block, so im good 🙂
heavy sparrow
i had 46 back hits in this particular full run
Hell yeah
cosmic chasm
is Mugzee Capo 1h any good for prot?
small steeple
is Mugzee Capo 1h any good for prot?
cosmic chasm
Is it the missing 2ndary that makes it shit or
lusty grotto
Is it the missing 2ndary that makes it shit or
its only slightly good for pure ST
so in general its very meh
cosmic chasm
Ok, so for pure ST its best, but for general purposes its not?
lusty grotto
there's only 1 fight in the game that's pure ST right now
and that's sprocket
but yes that's an accurate accessment
cosmic chasm
Thank you
lusty grotto
its better on dps classes
cosmic chasm
none of mine wanted it
lusty grotto
i think
cosmic chasm
so i took it 678
elfin ginkgo
When dh nerf pls d tier ty
gleaming knoll
I got myself some upgrades, i now wonder, in all honesty... how much haste is too much haste for Prot Warr
heavy sparrow
I got myself some upgrades, i now wonder, in all honesty... how much haste is to...
I like your add-on
gleaming knoll
I like your add-on
Truestatvalues c:
lusty grotto
I got myself some upgrades, i now wonder, in all honesty... how much haste is to...
as long as you can maintain SB, you can get other stats
sim
nocturne spindle
moarrr crit for moarrrr damage
also that seems like a lot of secondary stat overall...
gleaming knoll
Crit is a bit fake cause of the priory trinket
nocturne spindle
still
lusty grotto
i hope youre not using pure haste gems
heavy sparrow
Your mastery could be up a bit though, over time as you get gear
gleaming knoll
naaa, haste/crit for gems
gleaming knoll
how do i send you a list without screenshotting every single item
gleaming knoll
lemme log out and hopefully it updates
nocturne spindle
oh yea i guess you just have like
literally 0 mastery 0 vers gear
cause thats mine at 671
gleaming knoll
https://raider.io/characters/eu/argent-dawn/Ragestarved
yee i kinda dodged mastery/vers
lusty grotto
why are you dodging mastery
gleaming knoll
purely on accident actually
lusty grotto
or vers
gleaming knoll
I just took what the game gave me, i could recraft for other stats tho
lusty grotto
another person that doesnt use cyrce
nocturne spindle
fuck cyrce
gleaming knoll
alright
Ive been playing Prot Warr for like a week now so any help is much appreciated <3
gleaming knoll
So replace cursed with radiance?
gleaming knoll
Alrighty c:
lusty grotto
anyway it'll go down, you still need to replace boots and cloak
gleaming knoll
Which ones would i go for then? Id assume both from Motherlode?
gleaming knoll
The pure Vers one?
lusty grotto
ML one is fine though
yea
also you just swapped to amorphous
which is doggy
no bueno
trade it for 87g
gleaming knoll
So energy drink it is for now
Thanks a lot, youve been a great help for my plan forward. <3
nocturne spindle
also
giga haste sims very similar to actually worrying about stats anyway
and is kinda fun to be button mashing
sinful copper
Why do u want to lower your haste?
nocturne spindle
so no need to rush trying to get out of it
other stats gib more damage/survivability because math
once you have like 19k ish haste
sinful copper
i wouldnt enchant cursed haste
Cursed haste is actually good? I always avoided it
gleaming knoll
Id like to get Crit/Vers kinda equal eventually, the nonblockable dots are too spicy for my tastes
sinful copper
I have viscera of hatred now. Changing it to pacemaker will be big for survivability right? Because of all the massive crit?
lusty grotto
lusty grotto
So energy drink it is for now
ye energy drink is a lot better
just try your best to get a pacemaker and youll be set
gleaming knoll
i genuinely did a lil happy dance when i got my tome, leech tome seems massive
even tho its "only" hero track
round pendant
Anyone know on mugzee
in p2
why are the frost boots coming out before the gaol?
wtf are you supposed to do lol
buoyant sparrow
I am sitting at crit 30% haste 21% and mastery 24%. Should I focus on more haste and less mastery?
lusty grotto
ratings please
lusty grotto
why are the frost boots coming out before the gaol?
thats fucking weird, could be a bug?
solid sun
I’m assuming you’re talking mythic
round pendant
Heroic
strange lintel
no thats heroic too
round pendant
I didn't know that lmao
strange lintel
you get the ice arrows gotta aim em at bombs
solid sun
Heroic add aiming is only the last phase
round pendant
yeah I said p2
strange lintel
^
strange lintel
they probably asume p2 as left side
last phase is like last 40% hp right?
why are you getting that mech as a tank
tho
round pendant
I'm not tanking
solid sun
Yeah sorry. I think of each side as repeating phases until intermission which is charges, and then last phase
round pendant
fair
strange lintel
ah asumed you were since youre talking in the prot channel mb
sharp gale
pls someone declare war, i'm wondering wtf it does since i noticed
round pendant
It lets you attack npcs of that faction
sharp gale
yes but that's the raid reputation
strange lintel
im surprised that button is still a thing
sharp gale
im surprised that button is still a thing
me too you can't declare war anymore since a while ago
strange lintel
join gally for the big bucks
sharp gale
it does nothing i can't find npcs i can beat up
round cliff
is wowhead dressing room broken rn
round pendant
people use that?
valid sleet
Hi friends. Haven't kept up with prot since early season 1. Why do we like Defender's Aegis over Impenetrable Wall now? Is it because of the reduction of Shield Slam resets?
lusty grotto
Hi friends. Haven't kept up with prot since early season 1. Why do we like Defen...
IW was heavily nerfed, Wall cd was reduced baseline
that means DA is better
valid sleet
Ah I see. IW is 6 seconds now. What was it before?
valid sleet
Ahhh Understood. Thank you!
valid sleet
Yeah makes sense now. Thank you!
lusty grotto
yeah it got a -30s reduction in cd
DA is -60s
so 3.5 (pre s2) min cd turns into 2 min, this season with DA
and of course AM still affects its cd
round cliff
people use that?
why wouldnt u
its not like i have every race and tmog ingame to whip up every idea i get
sudden lynx
What do people here prefer between show of force and disrupting shout? I feel like its very interchangable, but that aoe kick is looking more and more appealing
lusty grotto
disrupting is a good pick if your comp isn't tightly coordinated
and/or if its a vault key where a missed kick wont really matter
so it highly depends on those scenarios
and your usage of it
if you end up not using it a lot in keys, its a good swap
since i dont have a full coordinated group i end up pugging some if not all slots, so i use it
its probably popular in here, i wouldnt doubt it
unborn island
for me shout depends which dungeons I'm doing, DFC, Mechagon, ToP I find it particularly useful. Rookery it can be helpful if the group doesn't have beam, but I don't always take it.
ML, Priory, Floodgate, Cinderbrew I don't usually bother.
solid sun
I don’t take it because I like watching people who don’t kick get owned
pallid quiver
based
native ember
help not sure wtf to take i have bis from dungeons only thing i really see viable is mechano core for fury offspec and tier chest even tho stats arent ideal but it is more ilvl over the crit haste one from cinderbrew any input greatly appreciated
lusty grotto
help not sure wtf to take i have bis from dungeons only thing i really see viab...
is that mechanocore hero track?
if so pick it
its very good for us too
native ember
oh really over tome and pacemaker ?
native ember
no mythic chest yet
lusty grotto
pick chest
native ember
thats what i was thinking also
lusty grotto
chest > mechanocore
native ember
my pace is mythic track also
lusty grotto
chest is one of the 3 highest stat pooled pieces for everyone
ok then you dont need mechanocore
native ember
bet appreciate the help
solid sun
What exactly is a piff 420 and how did you procure it?
lusty grotto
native ember
lol
lusty grotto
lol rhino, really
solid sun
sharp gale
its probably popular in here, i wouldnt doubt it
I use it a lot, shockwave to sync casts +mass kick really carry in pug imo
chilly brook
I use it a lot, shockwave to sync casts +mass kick really carry in pug imo
even in a coordinated group
it's pretty bigly
sharp gale
I can’t say since I pug, but after few months playing col, im scratching my chin : « shockwave 20 sec cd bump and the mass kick are crazy strong in my personal experience keys, do people notice that?»