do you guys just do the press W route on 15 cinderbrew? if dps is good and no one dies it's surely still timeable right?
#protection
next pasture
quick spruce
Not a prot question but you guys are super knowledgeable and responsive, where do I find a crafter for t3 dreadnaught set?
lucid mica
do you guys just do the press W route on 15 cinderbrew? if dps is good and no on...
The only skip I did with my main was the double hopgoblin and it went good and we timed with decent but not super good DPS, if you have absolutely no way to skip double hopgoblin that's a time loss and I don't know how you can make up for it, apart from that was just press w
round cliff
@lusty grotto i did ur 1st pull lust in ML and ppl complained 😔
i think is a good pull
will continue to do it
lusty grotto
ive never had people complain about it after 1st and 2nd week
they learned fast
and it was just people that just body pulled for being impatient or some idiocy and blamed the skip
most folks are used to it now
its pretty standard
solid sun
I wanna see Nimchip’s routes
sinful copper
Do I need to stance swap for higher keys like 13+? Or can I just stay defensive whole time?
mighty valley
The gain is tiny, save the brain power
round cliff
The gain is tiny, save the brain power
if u really think about it, it's a dps loss
out of def stance = ignore pain dies quicker -> spend rage refreshing it instead of on execute
🧠
hoary pike
hi
1.) is tome of light devotion worth it if u never on-use it , is it still good or bomb suit better atp
2.) i watched some high keys (+15+) and noticed them not using demoralizing shout vs bosses? does it not stop tank busters (obv w ignore pain and block up)?
neon elk
hi
1.) is tome of light devotion worth it if u never on-use it , is it still go...
Not sure how tome is when u ignore on use, also idk why would u ignore the on use, its one of best trinkets we got .
As for comparing , totaly different use case vs bombsuit so cant realy compare . But dmg wise even badly used tome win against bomb suit ( doesnt mean one is better than another, different purpose )
2 , they are either misplaying , or holding it for specific ocasion , but it definitely works on bosses and tankbusters
hoary pike
i like bomb suit a lot but the guide makes tome seem really good but tracking like a tome swap then pressing on-use and having to track it back n forth seems really difficult . so the solution for me is either hit it off cd or not at all then compare to other trinkets
aaand that's good to know cause i been doing that and felt dumb when they werent
neon elk
Get a WA to track tome , the on use is realy not that hard, or if u realy dont want it then maybe use something else , cuz bombsuit isnt realy needed unless u do some high keys
ionic fern
It's not that difficult,as there are weakauras for it which show the nr of stacks and when to swap over.
This was posted above recently.
languid sorrel
Hi all . Still learning to tank keys and route but noticing we are only one starring most of them. How can I tell if it's my pacing/pulling or dps too slow etx?
hoary pike
https://wago.io/JfpsG2Qpd
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ionic fern
Hi all . Still learning to tank keys and route but noticing we are only one star...
Are you pulling one pack at a time? Are people dying? Is the healer struggling? Are you over-pulling (do you have 100 percent trash before end of the dungeon?)
languid sorrel
Are you pulling one pack at a time? Are people dying? Is the healer struggling? ...
Sometimes one at a time. No one e usually dying and only over count a few here and there were dps but pull. I could probably do bigger pulls but pugging always and tend to ere on side of caution.
I try to use quazzis routes
eager phoenix
Hi all . Still learning to tank keys and route but noticing we are only one star...
up the pace! pull more at once when its easy to facilitate and blast more mobs with same round of cds. alternatively, chain faster when the annoying mobs have been dealt with so getting more isn't gonna cause problems
languid sorrel
up the pace! pull more at once when its easy to facilitate and blast more mobs w...
Ok will do. Any guides out there deal with pace instead of route?
ionic fern
No,as it's extremely dependant on the group.
Pay attention to how your healer and DPS manage first couple of pulls. If no one is dying or doing stupid stuff, you can continue pulling bigger.
eager phoenix
think of it on a dungeon-to-dungeon thing and comp thing.
take the pack after 2nd boss door in priory. i dont wanna drag 2 paladins on 30% with 3 caster dps comp 40 yards up the stairs and get another set of paladins. what will happen? the 2 paladins on 30% will get another round of Divine Toll off, the dps need to move and prolly do less dmg and any spells like comet storm will be whiffed
but in meadery you can just drag hobgoblin or harvester (big ugly looking gnoll guy) into whatever is next up
languid sorrel
think of it on a dungeon-to-dungeon thing and comp thing.
take the pack after ...
Thx this is really helpful i just did a priory last night but we lost time cause dps kept dying to stuff on the ground. One more question, what's a good indicator of how high a key to push. Cause I.am learning i am over gearing for le el I am at. Am at 650 ilevel and doing 3s to learn
eager phoenix
keep going up key lvl until you feel you hit a "wall", log your runs and figure out what the pressure points are
regal epoch
jumping appears to extend the range of any character centered radial AOE, works on every warrior skill that fits the profile - thunder clap, challenging shout, thunderous roar etc
standing CS
jumping CS
doesn't work on shockwave, not that it needs the range
it's also not radial but hey, might as well try while i'm doing the science
eager phoenix
iirc it works the other way around, safer to run out of a circle last moment than panick jumping out of it even if it intuitively feels like jumping is better
regal epoch
oooohh now that's useful info
eager phoenix
i have some memory hearing firedup saying this at some point so thats my only source i suppose xd
from classic i know mages jump to CoC and hit everything they pull. not sure if thats authentic to the 2004 client but classic 2019 reboot was based on legion client iirc
sharp gale
Hi all . Still learning to tank keys and route but noticing we are only one star...
The next key lvl is 10% more hp and damage than the one before, so when I route i check if when I timed I have >10% of the time left, meaning my route works after (it is not absolute but it is general idea of what I do)
If it doesn’t work/ not 10% left in my run, it’s time to remove 1 pull on my mdt
Another general rule I use, if a mm hunter can’t even AoE/fury is not target cap loser on the pull = worst pull ever, wasted time
solid sun
I feel like you edited it and I still can’t entirely decipher the message lol
If your pull doesn’t allow MM to aoe or fury isn’t the worst performer on the pull it’s wasted time?
Did I get it right?
eager phoenix
think he meant you pull to the strengths of the comps cds
if your running target capped group then its technically less worth pulling beyond that in one go and rather chain
if you got arcane mage try have a chunker so they can cleave off
etc
but thats easier said than done. cba when rogue nags about "needing" to drop combat while boomie and uhdk don't care and prolly prefer to chain
tired prairie
Hey Guys! Is there a WA or Addon which shows me if the (most) mobs are in range for my taunt-shout or my thunderclap?
sinful copper
Why is it that when a boss knocks me back and I charge back in, it puts me like behind the boss and seems like it can hit me in the back?
round pendant
Why is it that when a boss knocks me back and I charge back in, it puts me like ...
just wow things
I'm pretty sure when you charge, you charge to where the enemy was
not where it's at
sinful copper
Ok so it's not something I'm doing wrong lol. So I just spin char around immediately after so I don't die?
round pendant
so if the mob moves towards you then you'll end up behind it
sinful copper
Ahhh
round pendant
I mean the enemy has probably already melee'd you when you get into range
so you'll have enough time to turn around
but yeah
thorn patio
I just posted on the wow forums for literally the first time ever because threat is so annoying in keys right now. Almost every key I did tonight there was at least one death from the unholy dk or ret pally getting slapped by enemies, and when that happens while I’m in avatar, after roar, demolish, and ravager it blows my mind
thorn patio
I even had the ret get the bfa back enchant for reduced threat and he isn’t stupid and always waits a sec and doesn’t just blow his load
And still sometimes he gets wrecked randomly
It’s not even like an on pull death it’s like we are fighting the pack for a minute then suddenly the ret or dk pull and die
round pendant
Haven't had that happen
strange
sure he's not accidentally fatfingered taunt? lmao
thorn patio
I don’t think so. Barely failed a couple keys tonight that would have pushed me over 3300, so it just sucks depleting by like a couple seconds when those deaths just shouldn’t happen
It’s especially bad in the big pulls like cinderbrew where like even if I’m blasting when the dk and ret are doing 20 mil+
eager phoenix
either mobs are glued to tank from walking past and we back to infinite kite meta or we get this situ. idk what solution is but i feel if your connecting with spells it should be enough
tank with 670 shouldnt struggle because power creep has some dps doing 30m+
woven ice
I've never had anyone rip threat after all those tho
i know my destro warlock can pull threat like crazy when i infernal +lust and chain like 6 chaos bolts that all hit for 4m +
thorn patio
The more geared we get the bigger and bigger that dps gap between dps and tanks keeps getting
eager phoenix
yeah its dogshit
thorn patio
Also doesn’t help just going for less dam more tanky talents the higher key level too
woven ice
Also doesn’t help just going for less dam more tanky talents the higher key leve...
are you running colossus build or mountain thane?
thorn patio
Did both tonight in 2 motherlode 16s. The mountain thane run was the first time I’ve tried it all season
eager phoenix
it shouldnt matter in principle what hero class you play. why even bother with more than 1 hero class if one is by happenstance solving fundamental issues like threat
woven ice
i’ve notice mount thane generates so much threat at the expense of dps because the lightning burst or whatever it’s called is such a high damage high frequency use
thorn patio
I think in the mountain thane run specifically I had the dk rip threat and die from his blood is life proc
And the timer in that run was depressing
eager phoenix
sure but its weird that can make a diff. not how well your using spells
thorn patio
That one death not happening could have made it not failed, idk if the other deaths involved threat shit I don’t remember but one for sure was threat, like a minute into a pull which just shouldn’t happen
eager phoenix
yeah its def stupid
thorn patio
Side note, not being able to demolish the adds on 2nd boss in motherlode because you are thane feels real bad lol
woven ice
yeah game feels really good for ads and REALLY bad for boss fights
only run i’ve felt like thane was okay for both was an 11 psf
thorn patio
Priory is actually the main dungeon I wanted to try thane in but 15 priory I was still kinda chilling on the damage taken. Idk what level I would want to swap to feel slightly more tanky
eager phoenix
does the classic enchant for 2% more threat on glove still exist
thorn patio
I did tell the ret that he has it lol
round pendant
does the classic enchant for 2% more threat on glove still exist
yeah but doesn't work on high ilvl stuff
the ilvl limits on enchants are so dumb imo
eager phoenix
its kinda the same situ as with bfa cloak enchant then. cringe it randomly still works when its like 3 expansions ago
maybe time to rotate engineer target dummys
cerulean tusk
Well, without it we would be rocking enchants in all slots at weird power levels. Then you got things like weapon chain for PvP
It would be a mess
woven ice
just disable enchants for pvp #eZpZ
eager phoenix
my point was more, its just bad that some enchants randomly still have relevancy while others cant be used at all (and for good reason)
thorn patio
Saddest thing with old consumables was when they disabled the 150% speed potions from bfa. I loved using those for grouping big pulls
eager phoenix
yeah they were great
cerulean tusk
150% speed pots were great
sharp gale
I think in the mountain thane run specifically I had the dk rip threat and die f...
When I play with my udk friend I always keep the mass taunt/shockwave for his blood is life, feels bad not timing for 2s F, 20% less damage L ?
thorn patio
I did have to aoe taunt several times tonight, which also feels bad when you want it for the aoe kick on so many packs
sharp gale
I don’t hold my shockwave for his blood is life, it’s just when he gets the proc, he tells me if he gets the proc and I tell him if it’s fine or not depending what I have ready
- he is night elf
So when it is a problem I tell him to shadowmeld
It is 10 sec to react/ prepare, shockwave is 20 sec cd
devout topaz
is everyone playing thane again now or
woven ice
is everyone playing thane again now or
depends on the dungeon/comp/style you play
like hpriest/hpal + unholy dk + mage + boomy i run thane just because i don’t gotta worry about personal dps and can just be better about cc/bigger pulls
sharp gale
is everyone playing thane again now or
Nop just people preferring thane I think, they take the damage loss in exchange of liking the gameplay
woven ice
Nop just people preferring thane I think, they take the damage loss in exchange ...
glyph of lightning strike go brr
sharp gale
I do prefer too the clap prot war gameplay, but not to the point of choosing it over the best
thorn patio
I had heard Yoda say he plays it for survivability in higher keys. But honestly doing 16s I do not feel any tankier in thane than Colossus it feels the same pretty much
woven ice
I do prefer too the clap prot war gameplay, but not to the point of choosing it ...
yeah especially when demolish can hit for 20m total damage on a single cast
cerulean tusk
Yoda said PWARRIOR had low dam
jagged pier
yoda says a lot of things
cerulean tusk
Take what influencers say with a big pinch of salt 🧂
jagged pier
so do all wow influencers
lucid mica
yoda says a lot of things
Cool to see this is a constant for all classes hahaha
thorn patio
The difference is most wow influencers say things but don’t actually push high end content. He does
jagged pier
good players, but mostly they have a consistent group of good players and time to put into pushing keys
sharp gale
I had heard Yoda say he plays it for survivability in higher keys. But honestly ...
I don’t really see where thane is more surv than col, col has so much free DR in the hero tree
jagged pier
doesnt mean they know everything
cerulean tusk
Doesn't make his words more true, when they blatantly false
jagged pier
its more consistant survivibility against bleeds and magic because more IP
jagged pier
colossus is more bursty and technically rng defensive
because if u hold avatar for a SW use
u wasting it
as colossus
cerulean tusk
Meh, you could hold it if needed
sharp gale
its more consistant survivibility against bleeds and magic because more IP
Yeah it’s the only point I can see something, bleeds = IP spam
cerulean tusk
You do, but if it is needed, it is needed
jagged pier
u get more walls with UW but u might not have it when u need it in higher keys
round pendant
I think it's viable to hold avatar on some things
like first boss priory
but holding it feels bad
really don't like CDs that combine both damage + defensive
cerulean tusk
Better be alive and able to feel, than dead but with better theoretical uptime
round pendant
for sure but it's not usually a case of just dying if you don't hold it
at the end of the day you can't cover all bleeds on first boss priory
healer gotta heal
but is it worth making it a bit easier by holding it for a bit? on that boss I'd say yeah
cerulean tusk
As long you got it for the overlaps of judge/bleed 
sharp gale
The difference is most wow influencers say things but don’t actually push high e...
You do the same keys he does on his warrior (16s), you can also have your own opinion
thorn patio
Fair
sharp gale
And don’t be baited by streamers filling their vaults on their alts near the end of wow week
round pendant
Yoda repeatedly says wrong things about warrior anyway
sharp gale
They do 2-3 lvl below mains bc you have to be prepared to tuning
thorn patio
That’s basically what I do too. 13s/14s on alts then try to push on the warrior when I can do actual keys
I do remember looking last season at Yodas warrior video and thinking he was insane for not running the talent that gives 8% armor, stam, and 2% haste lol
amber wedge
Speaking of bleeds
I dabble tanking as offspec in some random 12s. Psf, how do you deal with the first boss. Getting my cheeks clapped very often there. Havent died but have procced cheat death many times. Same with the mini boss before last boss. They hurt even on 12s 🤐
cerulean tusk
If you don't die, it ain't an issue. Healer fight. Rotate CDs on overlaps in particular
thorn patio
That’s the only dungeon I 100% of the time use an on use defensive trinket in, use spell reflect as the judgment hits to reduce the initial hit.
sharp gale
Yes it is one of our biggest issue (the first boss of priory), you need to have a good def cd rotation / you can be dwarf too
thorn patio
Going nelf has made that and cinderbrew so much harder
amber wedge
Yeah its just mega scary every time. Doing my best to have some CD but im always dry at some point
No dwarf 😵
cerulean tusk
Just shadowmeld, now it is a DPS problem 
sharp gale
Going nelf has made that and cinderbrew so much harder
You can take an evoker in your group if you really need to dispel bleeds
amber wedge
If i wanted to do higher than 12s i would struggle perhaps
thorn patio
Dude my first day as a nelf I shadowmelded the entire first pull in priory on to the dps because I went to dwarf racial a trap
sharp gale
If i wanted to do higher than 12s i would struggle perhaps
I think if you do over 15s
cerulean tusk
Dude my first day as a nelf I shadowmelded the entire first pull in priory on to...
Ace move
amber wedge
I think if you do over 15s
Yeah not a chance, atleast as a tank 😅
sharp gale
(I did cinderbrew 14 and the first pull/bleeds didn’t matter at all I thought I could take 20% more damage / so a 16)
amber wedge
I just sometimes tank cause its hard finding a (good) tank. Might aswell tank some resilient keys and get better. Can only blame myself if its shit 😅
cerulean tusk
You be surprised how much DPS and healer makes a difference
thorn patio
I can no longer do that pull without my group telling me to not shadowmeld
amber wedge
Meadery is rough
woven ice
the single most based move to make
red tree
I just sometimes tank cause its hard finding a (good) tank. Might aswell tank so...
The whole run isn't just on the tank. We ain't god (anymore)
amber wedge
Dealing with pugs is a coin flip
cerulean tusk
Spend a little more time vetting, and ya reduce it to throw of a d10
sharp gale
The whole run isn't just on the tank. We ain't god (anymore)
The tank in pug does carry imo, since you choose the packs in pug
amber wedge
Managed to run my own keys to 13 ish as arms but starting to be very frustrating trying to push higher
I still feel like tank is like 70% of the effort 😅
If you have a good route and good with pacing you can find some dps who can press buttons in correct order and profit
woven ice
prot warr tank is god below an 8 wdym
i’ve pulled the entire first room of meadary + mini boss on a 6 and never dropped below 50% hp
just SPAM ignore pain/revenge/SS until everything died
sharp gale
If you have a good route and good with pacing you can find some dps who can pres...
If you have a bad group, you slow down your route, change it midway to be safe
woven ice
and if the dos/healer dies just simply live until they get back
sharp gale
Like if your healer struggle in priory until the first boss, don’t take the full 5 paladin pull
amber wedge
Yeah that makes sense
round pendant
Yeah its just mega scary every time. Doing my best to have some CD but im always...
You're guaranteed to go dry eventually
that's when it's the healer's turn to lock in
amber wedge
Maybe its just was just healer issue there cause I was clenching all fight
sharp gale
Yeah that makes sense
And when you have a good grasp on the timer / how long things takes, you can slow down when you are way ahead to be safe
woven ice
you could always save your 30% hp heal cd for the first boss/oh shit and be relatively fine
sharp gale
(Like what time is left when you enter the last room of priory
amber wedge
That just comes with experience yeah 🤔 dont pay too much attention to that as dps
Rookery on the other hand felt so comfy as 12
sharp gale
You pay attention as dps, for your cds, use it to know how long a pack takes
amber wedge
I couldnt tell a difference between 10 or 12
sharp gale
I couldnt tell a difference between 10 or 12
Same for 13 or 14
amber wedge
Is priory just kinda rough for us
sharp gale
Each key lvl is 10% increase of the previous so usually you don’t notice it
thorn patio
The two things you mentioned, first boss and mini boss at the end are just exceptionally hard on prot warrior compared to every other tank
sharp gale
So you slowly integrate the increases lvl in your brain
woven ice
Is priory just kinda rough for us
yeah without a dk it can be rough ngl, them having the grip is so nice for before the first boss but once you get into the pally area it’s not too hard, focus down the priests and the whole group dies pretty easy after the 10% hp nerfs
amber wedge
Yeah. Other than the bleed guys i feel its quite chill. Only annoying part is the lack of grouping abilities on the group. But felt no danger anywhere else
The timer is quite generous
For lower keys
woven ice
yeah if you have some pace and a good enough healer chain pulling is pretty easy ngl
sharp gale
I think the only danger is healer struggle and the bleed jump of shaynemail for the first part
woven ice
i did a 7 for my guildie and basically pulled the two sets of mobs into the last boss with ease and timed the hero for p2 of that fight
amber wedge
Sheesh
unborn island
The two things you mentioned, first boss and mini boss at the end are just excep...
I bricked a 14 a couple of nights ago on the miniboss because I fucking noobed and followed a healer ping to add in one of the packs near the stairs and I died wiping us, the key was free at that point as well 😦
Note to self, never ever listen to the pings - i would've been flamed if we missed time, but as it was I fucked the whole run doing something I didn't need to, sadge 😦
thorn patio
That’s rough. In general if people tell you to pull stuff and you think it’s a bad idea just ignore them. People are stupid, especially greedy little dps players when their big cds come up
unborn island
Yeah, I should've ignored, it was the healer pinging though so I guess my thoughts process was 'well I guess he has cocoon or something up' - didn't check if he did even though I have it tracked.
Like I said, my noobing, super raging at myself for it 🙂
thorn patio
I did a key and I guess the dude I was playing with was some streamer warrior guy, and he kept pinging other packs the entire time and I guess raging on his stream the entire time. It was like a week one or two 11 floodgate and that mad man wanted me to pull the 2nd to last pull in floodgate into the last pull. 3 of those big guys is an insane way to wipe the group. Lol
I just ignored him. If you want to do crazy risky for no reason pulls, you tank it
woven ice
Sheesh
i am also hilariously overgeaded for a 7 and so is our healer
i’m 665 in prot and the healer 668/9
so it was kinda cheese for most of it, i did end up at top dps tho by like 300k dps
round pendant
I don't ignore peoples pings
I can just never fucking SEE them
I hear the ping and go
WHO THE FUCK IS PINGING AND WHY
eager phoenix
if ppl want to have an opinion on route they should ask before key starts. if they dont i assume they are fine with whatever. if you deplete who gives a shit go next your tank 
round ermine
Is there a cheat sheet for when to use Spell Block? I feel like I'm not using it enough (aka randomly pressing the button when I remember it exists) and could benefit from it in M+/Raid
lusty grotto
yes in the pins
round ermine
Amazing thank you, sorry I didn't think of checking the pins first
lusty grotto
it happens
sharp gale
I don't ignore peoples pings
Tbf I personnally use pings a lot
dusky canopy
I love when the ping goes nowhere near your cursor
sharp gale
When I want a pug to pull a pack for me I mass ping the pack and they understand somehow
Or to say the direction I will move the pack from an AoE I do the mass ping line
lusty grotto
prot warr tank is god below an 8 wdym
i’ve pulled the entire first room of mea...
spamming ignore pain huh
no bueno
woven ice
100% uptime or you playing wrong /s
sharp gale
What key lvl I can do without pressing IP 🤔
lusty grotto
What key lvl I can do without pressing IP 🤔
all of them
sharp gale
Yeah I’m thinking I can do my current key lvl without pressing IP
woven ice
yall not rocking with IP?
sharp gale
14s
woven ice
not rocking with the 3s off avatar?
lusty grotto
you mean outburst
sharp gale
yall not rocking with IP?
Im rocking with IP to dump my rage
Not to get more IP or chase uptime
woven ice
i really only spam ip when a pull goes wrong
sharp gale
Uptime is kinda automatic
lusty grotto
yeah thats fine i guess
sharp gale
When pull goes wrong I press def cd + shockwave
lusty grotto
but in low keys SB takes care of the majority of the damage and you can just Brut Vit any existing IP
sharp gale
and stay calm to not take backshots
solid sun
Finally got all 12s done
solid sun
Three 13s as well
- I’m hoping one more 13 gets me to 3k
The number of pugs I’ve seen decide we need to pull extra stuff and then die has risen towards the end of the week
round pendant
pug quality goes down the closer to reset it is
lusty grotto
it be like that
dusky canopy
That’s when the afk thru a 10 weekly because I only “raid log” gamers pull up
jagged pier
hey thats me
dusky canopy
I think I have zero interest in farming a full vault because the trinkets all suck
lusty grotto
yeah thats a big one too
dusky canopy
If they had a great 1:30 trinket I’d be way more inclined
lusty grotto
most of the gear comes from raid, outside 1 trinket
which is pacemaker, and thats it
big part of it really
lusty grotto
yeah i get it
lusty grotto
at least this season is fun
so keys shouldnt be a hassle for you guys that dont like em
or dont need them etc
round pendant
I've been playing a lot
mainly to help friends gear and just to play with friends in general
done way too many 10s and under
solid sun
Maybe if even just one other video game existed I’d play something besides WoW
heavy sparrow
If they had a great 1:30 trinket I’d be way more inclined
solid sun
But alas
heavy sparrow
I'm a 1.30mim trinket guy myself
round pendant
Maybe if even just one other video game existed I’d play something besides WoW
Yeah it's really crazy how nobody's made any other video game yet
solid sun
I’m telling you. Seems like a wide open market
dusky canopy
Yeah bro fr playing with un-syncd trinkets is dog!
lusty grotto
we're all a 1:30 min trinket guys
round pendant
it's actually unreal
dusky canopy
Refuse to do it
round pendant
PoE 1 no updates
PoE 2 is ass
Tekken 8 got literally destroyed
SF6 sucks (opinion)
life is hard
lusty grotto
monster hunter is $$$
dusky canopy
I will use two passive trinkets before I equip a 2 minute trinket
round pendant
I don't like monster hunter sadly
lusty grotto
unfortunate
lusty grotto
eh they did some improvements after the last update
im doing fine with a 3070ti and a 5900x
dune awakening will be the one that will tell me whether i need an upgrade sooner rather than later tbh
round pendant
you're nowhere near needing an upgrade lmao
round pendant
are you playing 4k?
lusty grotto
nah
round pendant
then you're good
lusty grotto
but monster hunter is a vram vacuum
round pendant
cause the game sucks ass
zero optimisation
We need to stop allowing devs to just be like "oh well it works on latest gen"
games are literally uglier than ever too
crazy
lusty grotto
its not that game, its every game lately
round pendant
yeah
Devs are lazy as fuck
cause DLSS "solves" the issue with performance
and so every game is ugly as fuck or runs like shit (or both)
lusty grotto
yeah
small steeple
but monster hunter is a vram vacuum
is the new one good? Haven't gotten it yet
lusty grotto
its, easier than past monster hunters
but it fulfills the itch
i dont think being easier from the get-go is a bad thing
as long as g-ranks are challenging
frosty mango
its not that game, its every game lately
Why would a business spend money optimizing when they can make more money by just….not.
As long as people keep buying poorly optimized new games, companies will keep releasing poorly optimized new games
There’s no profit in pride
small steeple
I've played some of the older ones on the switc after I played world/iceborne, and they are pretty tough at times
lusty grotto
Why would a business spend money optimizing when they can make more money by jus...
because they are already optimizing for consoles
amber wedge
I bricked a 14 a couple of nights ago on the miniboss because I fucking noobed a...
I feel you. Never listen to anyone 😂 we got a rogue for our meadery, cause tank wanted someone for skips and he insisted on this rogue. Guy (near 3k rated) ended up doing 2.3mil overall and dying to stupid shit. All for skipping 1 pack
Didn't time
lusty grotto
most of the games coming out are remakes, reissues, those are the bulk of basically the majority of the sales
also switch 2
frosty mango
I feel you. Never listen to anyone 😂 we got a rogue for our meadery, cause tank...
I’m fully convinced meadery doesn’t need skips and people spend too much brainpower trying to justify/perform skips
Just w key and pump
solid sun
I heard the new Oblivion remake is like significantly larger than the original
steady mason
I heard the new Oblivion remake is like significantly larger than the original
oblivion remake AND skyblivion coming soon
small steeple
Oh god Oblivion remake has got me hyped. Oblivion was like my childhood from 7-8 years old
frosty mango
Meadery boss kill times are what destroy you, ipa in particular
solid sun
IPA feels like it takes 11 years
frosty mango
I cheesed my 14
solid sun
I can feel my beard turning gray on that boss
frosty mango
I brought two boomies and a mistweaver
Ez
Mw goes out and controls/dps adds while boomies starfall them to death, melee stays on boss
amber wedge
I’m fully convinced meadery doesn’t need skips and people spend too much brainpo...
Agree 100%. It was only a 13 aswell. Surely you can just power through
solid sun
Has anyone grouped with a good arcane mage yet? They’re like a cheat code
lusty grotto
yeah they have bananas funnel damage
frosty mango
Gotta be careful with the good ones especially if they get pi
small steeple
Has anyone grouped with a good arcane mage yet? They’re like a cheat code
My guildie is one, dude is super nice to party with
solid sun
If you need a mob deleted inside a pull, arcane just explodes it’s insane
frosty mango
I did 5.5m dps on big momma on my marks hunter, proc life
amber wedge
Idk i feel mages are generally quite bad. Like 1/10 is good
amber wedge
Now boomie seems like the same
small steeple
Idk i feel mages are generally quite bad. Like 1/10 is good
just like ret, they are the 2nd most played class
amber wedge
1/10 is good
lusty grotto
doesnt mean good ones dont exist
frosty mango
Idk i feel mages are generally quite bad. Like 1/10 is good
Most mages are fire and most mages are bad at managing combust
amber wedge
Tops
frosty mango
If you see a 3k arcane mage chances are they are not bad
solid sun
Vdh has the same issue. Very popular and common so you see a lot of bad ones who jump into the middle of packs and get deleted
amber wedge
Its just how do you sort one If their rating is 3k and they are shit anyway
Coin flip
lusty grotto
you dont
small steeple
Most mages are fire and most mages are bad at managing combust
Friend of mine is swapping to fire from his feral druid, and he loves it. He's got combust every pull, assuming he doesn't die lol
frosty mango
Vdh has the same issue. Very popular and common so you see a lot of bad ones who...
This is just standard for all tanks
Vdh is the meme but most tanks that aren’t Druids or brewmasters will just run into a pack, get hit in the back and die
frosty mango
Yeah they got moonfire to pull tho so I find generally they don’t do it as much
frosty mango
lol
lusty grotto
a druid will instantly get deleted if they dont have some kind of opener defensive going
they need to ramp iron furs
frosty mango
The amount of warriors I heal that heroic leap into 4 packs with no shield block up while simultaneously getting blasted in the back is too high
lusty grotto
they are the original "VDH gets remotely uninstalled"
frosty mango
Like I literally life grip them back now
solid sun
But anyways yeah, fotm classes always have a higher than average number of bad eggs who do a lot of oopsies
lusty grotto
💯
small steeple
solid sun
I’ve also been shocked by the number of people I’ve been meeting this season who don’t join any class discords
lusty grotto
thats pretty normal
round pendant
the vast majority of players don't care to learn to be gooder
this goes for any game
solid sun
I can’t imagine not being in the class discord for at least the class(es) im playing
So much free info
frosty mango
https://tenor.com/view/paul-rudd-anchorman-the-legend-of-ron-burgundy-works-ever...
Can we put a block icon on this gif
cerulean olive
Cant wait to try 17 floodgate today! Hope big momma doesnt delete me!
frosty mango
Healer problem tbh
violet ginkgo
eh they did some improvements after the last update
although some players report it some performance actually got worse after the update but well I expect they roll more update for that.
cerulean olive
Healer problem tbh
Well said brother
lusty grotto
although some players report it some performance actually got worse after the up...
got better for me
not a huge improvement but still noticeable
violet ginkgo
anyway nim is what weapon main?
violet ginkgo
oh you are hammer bros too
sharp gale
although some players report it some performance actually got worse after the up...
I played on launch with my doggo pc on medium,I just had 1 graphic bug happening very rarely
sharp gale
Charged blade / The machine gun for me
sharp gale
Focus mode goated btw
lusty grotto
yea
lusty grotto
youre gonna need an uppie soon
sharp gale
i'm waiting gta 6 / a game i can't play on this pc to buy a full new one
lusty grotto
as you should
sharp gale
but being able to play MH on medium gave me more cope on it is alright config
lusty grotto
FSR does wonders for MH
sharp gale
FSR does wonders for MH
i am clueless about computers, i just ask my dad who knows more to tell me WHICH ONE
and i say a price i can afford
lusty grotto
its generally cheaper to build
you just pay extra for pre-built for the peace of mind
sharp gale
i take second-hand personally / used ones
lusty grotto
i always build though
sharp gale
bc it is REALLY cheap
dusky canopy
Dragonwilds is sick btw
dusky canopy
There’s plenty of content
Building is fairly fleshed out you can get pretty creative
sharp gale
so it's a typical survival game ? i didn't read much about it
dusky canopy
It’s still early stages you can tell but it’s a great nostalgia trip if you were a RuneScape gamer as a kid
Yes it’s just like your standard survival game
Maintain hunger and thirst
final linden
i'm waiting gta 6 / a game i can't play on this pc to buy a full new one
be waiting a couple of year
sharp gale
i think i'll wait, i am in the looking for another game / almost raid logging in wow, i'm in the trying spree rn
2 enemies
dusky canopy
Skyblivion announcement today hopefully releasess this year!!
jagged pier
the actual oblivion remake annoucmenet today
dusky canopy
It would make sense for them to use the more modern system like Skyrim
sharp gale
so many tiktoks about the remake, like it will come out this week, it is so weird
dusky canopy
Not just graphical upgrades that mods already do
sharp gale
It would make sense for them to use the more modern system like Skyrim
i hope they steal everything / gameplay from avowed
dusky canopy
No way it’s released right away
I’d be shocked
And very pleased
But thats pure hopium
violet ginkgo
Dragonwilds is sick btw
right uh I've been seeking some youtube video but they don't say too much about class, what weapon/class is available?
sharp gale
they are mid games yes
jagged pier
dusky canopy
right uh I've been seeking some youtube video but they don't say too much about ...
Melee has perks, ranged and magic exist but do not have perks yet that is the next step on the road map
lusty grotto
i have never played them either
dusky canopy
Nah hard disagree
Fallout 3 and oblivion were my first ever video games
So much nostalgia for me
sharp gale
so you have the "first video game" biais
violet ginkgo
hmmm what weapon are available brew? like 2h, then 1h+shield or dual wield maybe?
dusky canopy
Hmm wait technically n64 games with my dad
rustic epoch
anyone know what helm enchant we go yet
sharp gale
but when skyrim guilds quest : in 2 jobs you are GUILD GOD WEREWOLF SECRET KEEPER
lusty grotto
i just dont klike american RPGs
lusty grotto
anyone know what helm enchant we go yet
wait until may
small steeple
not just may
may 20th
fun
I love waiting a month after a patch to get its main content
dusky canopy
hmmm what weapon are available brew? like 2h, then 1h+shield or dual wield maybe...
So far 1h/shield but I’m still very early in the game so surely more to come
Barely explored the map
Just made it to the swamp area
Witch is “second” I guess
sharp gale
I love waiting a month after a patch to get its main content
idk about the enchant it is whatever, i don't count cyrce ring as content
small steeple
idk about the enchant it is whatever, i don't count cyrce ring as content
i mean the horrific vision
dusky canopy
<:pog:470005648394944543>
YouTube!?
small steeple
yeah *things you do once to get the loot and never see it ever again*
from what I've heard from people doing the horrific visions on ptr, its actually, you know, fun, and not obvious filler content that you will only ever do once
sharp gale
sweet summit
the pope died for oblivion remake thank you pope
sweet summit
can you tell me if it's areal remake or just skyrim bullshit again please thanks
sharp gale
oblivion is my first ps3 game
heavy sparrow
Pinned post says indomitable should be req
#1269007003469090878 message
Colossus Mythic+ Build
See below
Import code: CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIGAAAAmZmxMzMYWmZZmZmtFGjZaMLjZYsMmZGWmZGzADDAAAAAAMzAAsstBAsZGDLkBmhFawC
This should be used as the basis of a Mythic+ build as Colossus.
lusty grotto
Pinned post says indomitable should be req
https://discord.com/channels/14887221...
you do know you can link to messages right?
sharp gale
he did
sharp gale
that's not a link to message ? ( i meant he did a link AND copy pasted)
small steeple
he opened the gates
Uriel Septim? More like Uriel Pope
lusty grotto
anyway thats not gonna get updated unless Nome and Mwahi decide to
Nome hasnt even updated wowhead for battering ram
sharp gale
who is gooning rn on the bethesda stream ?
sharp gale
but i think it will be just a remaster with no real quest changes (it will still be 10 vs 10 char max battles like every bethesda game)
and towns of 20 NPCs
jagged pier
we will see i guess
sharp gale
i'm pre-dooming
jagged pier
if its just a graphic over haul they might as well release it now
heavy sparrow
anyway thats not gonna get updated unless Nome and Mwahi decide to
I could potentially lend a hand if needed
lusty grotto
thats not how it works
ebon sandal
wait, leap can actually be interrupted by rocket on sprocketmonger?
onyx cliff
so dont leap into one
😂
mortal cypress
i'm pre-dooming
Don't worry, if there is one thing Bethesda is known for its the extreme polish of their games
sharp gale
Don't worry, if there is one thing Bethesda is known for its the extreme polish ...
POLAND MENTIONED
woven ice
140gig brother i hate UE5
jagged pier
i'm pre-dooming
steady mason
whelp my sub expires today anyways
dusky canopy
sharp gale
<a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
YEAAAAAH
jagged pier
sharp gale
fuck the website i use to buy games crashed
mortal cypress
its free on gamepass
sharp gale
idc about game pass, i want my mods
sweet summit
6 billion dolalr
sharp gale
we are in bobby kotick's maze after all
chilly brook
<a:LETSGOOO:770741530805796874>
Yeah getting off of this for raid today is going to be so hard
nocturne spindle
and its gross reclear day
jagged pier
shkip
chilly brook
I'm glad that they made changes where it made sense (like the leveling system)
chilly brook
Sleeping is fine
Meant more like the obtuse having to min max the leveling up of skills before actually doing the level up otherwise you lose out
nocturne spindle
yea im curious how much leveling jank there will be
i hope you can still max attributes somehow
without minor skill min maxing
frosty mango
Yeah getting off of this for raid today is going to be so hard
Just don’t
You seem kinda sick tbh
Can’t raid when you’re sick
dusky canopy
Yeah getting off of this for raid today is going to be so hard
Going to be giga challenge to watch people fuck up on sprocket and keep my mouth shut when we should have killed the boss already (4% wipe)
When I could be playing oblivion having fun!!!
frosty mango
Is the remaster on gamepass?
chilly brook
yea
chilly brook
Going to be giga challenge to watch people fuck up on sprocket and keep my mouth...
that's the prog tonight is sprocket
frigid valley
if i REALLY want disrupting shout as thane what do i most likely ditch? thunderlord?
steady mason
if i REALLY want disrupting shout as thane what do i most likely ditch? thunderl...
instigate/indomitable if you're running either of those
frigid valley
coolio ty
solid sun
Gotcha
frigid valley
surerly SB will be good again 
solid sun
I’m gonna play Druid
frigid valley
havent been a fan sadly, rarerly a pure phys build is good
frigid valley
ya, spiritborn d4
sharp gale
What are you gonna play ?
sharp gale
Sybau
vital tundra
My prot warrior only does m+, is it generally better to select arms or fury when opening the GV or should I stick to prot? I don’t have either the tome of lights devotion or pacemaker
sharp gale
Stealth archer of course
vital tundra
If I get the tome would I then switch to a dps spec?
lusty grotto
not until you get a myth shield
chilly brook
https://tenor.com/view/dale-walking-dead-i-know-what-kind-of-man-you-are-gif-313...
I mean I’ll actually probably do some kind of stealth character because I love RP as an assassin with the Dark Brotherhood
vital tundra
I have a 675 one hand and 675 sheild
chilly brook
Just not an archer
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
chilly brook
chilly brook
I’d love to do an unarmed build but idk if they did any rebalancing (it was pretty piss poor damage in the original oblivion)
sharp gale
I mean I’ll actually probably do some kind of stealth character because I love R...
Oblivion dark brotherhood is so good, I can’t wait to see how they did the butchering of … , but I’m impatient so I never do stealth in games
vital tundra
@lusty grotto thxs!
mighty valley
you didn't really need to be patient if you minmaxed stealth, you just tapped crouch whenever you feel like it and murk people
but yeah, minmaxing in og oblivion was a nightmare
you chose skills you want to use as major/minor? you fucking dolt
chilly brook
I’m just so glad that they kept the original spell casting system where it doesn’t require a specific hand @sharp gale
hardy grove
Seems like the majority hero talent is colossus is mountain thane grief to play ? New to prot war
chilly brook
Just being able to cast with a 2h or sword/shield is BiS
lusty grotto
if youre new thane is simpler
chilly brook
Seems like the majority hero talent is colossus is mountain thane grief to play ...
Griefing to your overall damage but that’s about it
lusty grotto
once you get good at using rage
you can swap to colossus
you need some experience
when you stop getting rage starved and/or capped, thats when you swap
rage management is essential important for both but essential for colossus
but its easier to handle as thane
you'll do around ~20% less aoe damage as thane though
stick to thane if you're new, make sure your SB management is good, make sure your rage management is good, make sure your defensive cycling is good and then swap to Colossus
youre also free to just go colossus and get better using it, but that's entirely up to you
wicked whale
seems pretty popular now
bronze lantern
seems pretty popular now
silence dog
sharp gale
I’m just so glad that they kept the original spell casting system where it doesn...
idk i never played magic in oblivion, i was 2 handed if i member, if you meet a zombie, tell me if they are still as CREEPY scary with traumatizing sound effect
lusty grotto
?
left meteor
seems pretty popular now
@bronze lantern was wrong
left meteor
6 years ago
lusty grotto
thats
when i discovered RF worked with Devastator
well some time after i guess
holy cow
thyme was still active
c:
lusty grotto
sure
solid sun
I think that’s fair too
hoary pike
i was a bear main and can say bear is significantly easier. i literally had ironfur macro’d into my thrash/mangle. there is min maxing, just like with anything, but in general bear doesnt really have to focus on half the stuff warrior does.
can bear even take backshots
lusty grotto
bear is more forgiving for backshots but you still shouldnt
you shouldnt macro IF either
lusty grotto
doesnt matter
hoary pike
so i had no rage dump other than IF
lusty grotto
you shouldnt macro off-gcd spenders regardless of reasoning or talents, it builds bad tendencies
lusty grotto
that being said, you should never get back hits on any tank
you cant dodge (as bear or brew), you cant parry (as prot, DK, pally, VDH)
or block as pally or prot
its just a lot more forgiving on tanks which active mit is armor
like IF
mighty valley
i think you should be able to back dodge
hoary pike
aura dodge
mighty valley
maybe just as monk since they got them senses
hoary pike
haki BM
lusty grotto
i think positioning requirements should get fucking deleted, dont get me wrong
mighty valley
why the fuck does bear have decent dodge, they're fucking huge bears
lusty grotto
its an outdated system
one of my biggest gripes in XIV
and still existing in WoW to some extent
at least in the opposite side
but block would be insanely strong as it stands without a positioning requirement, so i suppose that's cope justification
solid sun
why the fuck does bear have decent dodge, they're fucking huge bears
It’s so weird to me that guardian uses agi instead of str
mighty valley
possibly just history based on the fact that feral used to be one tree
i guess there are no classes with a str spec and an agi spec, right?
solid sun
It’s time
frosty mango
one of my biggest gripes in XIV
It’s gone in xiv
At least the irritating idiotic version of it
Now it’s just skill expression
frosty mango
Positionals?
frosty mango
Yes now they are just flank and rear
lusty grotto
theyre still bad
frosty mango
And the position requirement is basically anything that isn’t rear is flank
Not like it bricks your combos or craters your damage anymore, you and zug and miss half your positionals and you can still parse 90+ easily
lusty grotto
im just capping real quick brew
one of the best things ffxiv has is you can cap weekly shit in like 2-3 hours depending on hunt trains
that being said
any positional requirement in 2025 is outdated
lusty grotto
Not like it bricks your combos or craters your damage anymore, you and zug and m...
and im 100% aware
lusty grotto
yup
dusky canopy
How am I suppose to live out the fantasy of being a badass warrior who charges his opponent head on and demolishes everything in his path
When I gotta sneak behind the target like a rogue and stab them in the back
frosty mango
How am I suppose to live out the fantasy of being a badass warrior who charges h...
You think you do, but you don’t
dusky canopy
Yes
frosty mango
All warriors must stand in front of the enemy, this is why prot is best
dusky canopy
Haha psych parry
sharp gale
any positional requirement in 2025 is outdated
It is what I say for so long, it is an rp thing not fun, archaic
lusty grotto
100%
sharp gale
Anti new player mech
frosty mango
You can already be s tier with your eyes closed
dusky canopy
Logging into the game is anti new player
frosty mango
Plus anyone who played 1.0 with any real dedication knows that this iteration of ff positionals is at least doable
The devs will never let it go, lol
lusty grotto
Plus anyone who played 1.0 with any real dedication knows that this iteration of...
dont be a gatekeeper
sharp gale
Logging into the game is anti new player
You talk about xiv ? Bc it’s true each time I try to take a sub I want to end
lusty grotto
its not the fact that xiv has positionals or not, its the fact that it stille xists on both games
dusky canopy
I just don’t
lusty grotto
its magnitude doesnt matter
frosty mango
I just don’t
Not your fault tbh
dusky canopy
I’m to WoW pilled
frosty mango
Unless you are a story enjoyer really the game doesn’t offer much
dusky canopy
Yeah I’m totally a combat guy
lusty grotto
just story skip
dusky canopy
I skip quest dialog and text
frosty mango
Endgame content is still not challenging tho, at least not in any real sense
sharp gale
It does provide goated group prog feelings
sharp gale
Not really
Classes are
Not the content, in your m+ everything happens the same / that’s why you can compare it to myth prog when you prog giga high keys
frosty mango
In ff every mechanic is resolved in the same exact way every time - almost always “stand in this place” and there is minimal skill expression
There’s multiple ways to resolve mechanics in wow - though still somewhat limited, and the interaction of your class with mechanics is a lot more dynamic
So I guess I’d kind of agree with you
lusty grotto
also im a 2.0 guy
lusty grotto
so you didnt even clear savage?
frosty mango
so you didnt even clear savage?
I stopped on last boss after wiping for months because our reaper kept backflipping off the platform
I haven’t logged on since
dusky canopy
Sounds like a chill guy
Now that you mention it, kinda funny!
We have demon hunters front flipping off platforms
You guys have reapers back flipping
sharp gale
In ff every mechanic is resolved in the same exact way every time - almost alway...
I don’t see the big difference in wow, I don’t LOVE ff gameplay bc of classes gameplay / server ticks, in wow raid I do the exact same every pull, my char move the exact same positions, just sometime I’m picked like in ff you have to read the boss picked pattern I don’t remember how the concept is called
dusky canopy
so you didnt even clear savage?
sharp gale
And in wow if I’m picked, I move the same way I did for the 30 times I got picked during the 100 pulls
frosty mango
I don’t dislike either I just find wow raiding to be more complex. As a whole wow is a more complex game. Tho ff story is great - and their crafting system is great but underutilized
frosty mango
Ff prog is built in a way that you can easily play both games
lusty grotto
cant really make the comparison at all
sharp gale
Yes they are 2 different raid philosophy
frosty mango
I dunno I think it’s fair to compare fight and mechanic design directly
lusty grotto
highly disagree
frosty mango
But in the limited scope that ff has a 3s hard tick rate and that has to severely limit what they can do
lusty grotto
there's a reason why FF fights are designed in any way that's different than WoW
sharp gale
I compare usually as dance fight in wow but it’s way more pushed than what we have in wow
sinful copper
What's a super nice melee comp for prot warrior?
Enh, ret, MM, MW? Any others that are really good together?
lusty grotto
gcd, server ticks are extremely important for timings on fight design
frosty mango
there's a reason why FF fights are designed in any way that's different than WoW
Yeah their server tick rate, it drives everything they do lol.
sharp gale
And old
Bc classic is tick rate / they did the switch in Cata or mop I don’t remember
lusty grotto
WoW doesnt have that problem, but if it did, GCD/Haste would be a huge problem for console players, at least normal non godlike reflex ones
controller players will always be a step behind
on WoW
so just due to that reason
you cant really compare the 2
lusty grotto
there are aspects you can, like "this raid has no trash and its just 4 bosses or phases" vs "look at all this shit i have to clear /afk"
frosty mango
What's a super nice melee comp for prot warrior?
Enh, ret, MM, MW? Any others t...
Anything that isn’t a star falling boomkin
sinful copper
Lol!
sinful copper
Oh ok ty!
sharp gale
You need some ranges no ? Are there annoying things focusing prio them this season ?
frosty mango
All melee sounds terrible why would you do that
lusty grotto
other than that, straight melee
dusky canopy
What's a super nice melee comp for prot warrior?
Enh, ret, MM, MW? Any others t...
Monk/shaman/hunter/druid
Would give you the most dps
If you don’t want Hunter for burst damage on boss then rogue fits nicely in that list
sharp gale
I would put a rdruid in the comp
cosmic torrent
Hi I’m new to warrior tank this season (have played in old expanisons) is there any good tank videos I can watch for mythic dungeons? To learn positioning and such?
sharp gale
Bc I feel it will be annoying absolutely 0 range
dusky canopy
Hi I’m new to warrior tank this season (have played in old expanisons) is there ...
Tactyks in general has fantastic M+ content/guides
sharp gale
Like second boss of ML
dusky canopy
Not warrior specific but they’re very informational
For warrior specific watch sense gameplay
frosty mango
If you wanna do all phys I’d say pwar/mm/rogue/windwalker/rdruid
cosmic torrent
Thanks warrior specific would be best as I know the dungeons well as melle dps
Thank you! ☺️
sinful copper
Do I want to demolish early in rotation? It adds a debuff to enemies to make them take more damage right?
And lastly, any tips for best utilizing the AOE silence?
I can't put rdruid in my team because my healer friend said it's too much work lol
pallid quiver
Do I want to demolish early in rotation? It adds a debuff to enemies to make the...
The damage taken debuff scales with stacks of Colossus Might
frosty mango
Mistweaver will do phys damage as a healer but two monks would be troll
sharp gale
They play 2 Druid on MDI for DFC
pallid quiver
Mistweaver will do phys damage as a healer but two monks would be troll
you'd probably r sham for windfury, though I haven't looked to see if we're talking melee or phys damage in general
pallid quiver
Do I want to demolish early in rotation? It adds a debuff to enemies to make the...
To fully elaborate, ultimately, you kinda just want to send Demo in CD, since it lets you leverage CDR more often. Generally when gathering a pull, you'll get a few initial stacks just from gathering needs (Revenge, SS crits, etc)
Also, Disrupting Shout isn't a silence; it's an AOE interrupt, so you use it to catch multiple interrupts at once or just as a spare singular interrupt that has a longer lockout than usual
sharp gale
You need a skip way, disenrage, BL, brez, your stop rotation, your uncap/big aoe dudes and prio dude (have the damage comp to time keys)
frosty mango
Mm has tranq and huge aoe burst
It’s capped but 4set procs aren’t
It’s not melee but is a good fit into a phys comp
sharp gale
So rogue is, and he got shroud
solid sun
I was doing Tactyks route for ML and had people complaining to me about the route
dusky canopy
Pugs can’t always handle tactyk route
solid sun
Well it claims to be pug friendly
But it pulls quite a bit at the beginning of ML
Healer was pretty upset
🤷♂️
sinful copper
Also, Disrupting Shout isn't a silence; it's an AOE interrupt, so you use it to ...
Ahhh I see
sharp gale
I was doing Tactyks route for ML and had people complaining to me about the rout...
What’s the route
sinful copper
Healer was pretty upset
Tell them to get good
solid sun
I’m mobile but uhhhh
If you go to threechest.io and hit the pull down you can see Tacyk pug friendly
mighty valley
"pug friendly" means so many different things
the types of players you get in +12 pugs vs, like, +6 pugs are just completely different
pallid quiver
Healer was pretty upset
The only time I was upset with any kind of pull while healing ML, it was when I was upset that it took like 5-6 mins for the DH to use their first Fiery Brand or whatever that spell is called
sharp gale
If you go to threechest.io and hit the pull down you can see Tacyk pug friendly
I will look at it
mighty valley
and their expectations are different
sinful copper
+6 pugs don't even know the mechanics still lol ... No one does +6. It's either +7 for hero/gilded or +10 for weeklies
sharp gale
I had 1 healer complained I took the mécha on the first pull ( he died but not bc of the mécha)
solid sun
Under sample routes not the pull down sorry
sharp gale
So I left and timed 13 ML and 14 ML back to back
solid sun
lol
sharp gale
And in none of the two they were « wtf mécha »
sinful copper
Oh u do peacekeeper on first pull?
sharp gale
Yes bc I’m not in high keys yet
solid sun
Unfortunately if I go to threechest.io and hit the route and then try to copy the url it just stays threechest.io and trying to get a screenshot on mobile is too small
sharp gale
So it’s just free
At one point I will not take the peacekeeper anymore and take another pack with the first
jagged gust
sharp gale
I had 2 peacekeeper in 1 pull in one of the 12 ml I did bc someone pulled through the wall (I was doing the press W route)
On my first couple 10s the first week I was taking 2 extractors after first boss
solid sun
That’s a streamer pull
Dorki does that for sure and so does Yoda
I asked my normal squad if they wanted to try it and they said yes and quickly changed their minds
sharp gale
I asked my normal squad if they wanted to try it and they said yes and quickly c...
Like going right in priory
solid sun
lol we tried going right in priory after the nerfs to the fire wizard
We decided it wasn’t worth
lone hemlock
I went right the first week and I saw my group melt every time lol
that boss sucks anyway
sharp gale
One of my friend convinced me to try, when I saw the mini boss = NO SHOT I do trashs on top of him when I will push
sinful copper
At one point I will not take the peacekeeper anymore and take another pack with ...
Yeah now everyone skips it with the wall jump cuz it just murders everyone with the first pull
sinful copper
lol we tried going right in priory after the nerfs to the fire wizard
I feel like only prot pally gets good value out of it cuz they won't die on the boss, right?
sharp gale
Maybe in 15 I will start to not do the peacekeeper
lone hemlock
im guessing you are referring to the slow dot
sinful copper
Iunno I just heard prot pallies prefer right route cuz the first boss deletes them if not
sharp gale
The first boss deletes us and we don’t go right
solid sun
Well it tries
But after careful usage of defensives and screaming at the healer we live
steady mason
The first boss deletes us and we don’t go right
seems as good a time to ask as any...
should I be pulling dailcry out of the arcane explosion channel?
i usually just hold demo shout but realized in my last run I could probably just range that cast
frosty mango
Has anyone seen the “pug friendly route” on keystone guru for priory this week
Double knights, double light spawns
These dudes planning routes like it’s April first
solid sun
Lmao
I noticed raider io weekly routes last season were scuffed
Have you checked those out this season? I wonder if they’re any better
waxen frigate
Double knights, double light spawns
In a 10 tbf that’s pug friendly
Double light spawns ehhh
frosty mango
In a 10 tbf that’s pug friendly
There’s no world where 2 knights or 2 light spawns is pug friendly
waxen frigate
Can have some bad rng unless they fixed the ability to double target
waxen frigate
There’s no world where 2 knights or 2 light spawns is pug friendly
If everyone is properly geared and not awful at the game it’s fine
But with pugs yes that’s a gamble
sinful copper
U can get double targeted by light spawn.
waxen frigate
It’s a gamble for sure but also like idk
If you’re worried just…
Break up the pulls?
frosty mango
Yes but the point is most people who look at keystone guru aren’t gonna be worried
frosty mango
They’re gonna full send that route and then wonder why the group is dead
lusty grotto
@waxen frigate
waxen frigate
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lusty grotto
hooooly
outer willow
Is anyone using spell block a ton? I found that I get better use putting the talent point elsewhere.
lusty grotto
yes
waxen frigate
Is anyone using spell block a ton? I found that I get better use putting the tal...
Check the spreadsheet on pins
frosty mango
Is anyone using spell block a ton? I found that I get better use putting the tal...
Then you are not using it properly
lusty grotto
virtually everything is spell blockable
waxen frigate
Spell block is great but situational
lusty grotto
use the pinned sheet
waxen frigate
You just need to know the right situations
lusty grotto
theres 0 dungeons where spell block isn't useful this season
sinful copper
Is it ok to overlap spell block and spell reflect? Or usually don't do that?
outer willow
I see the pinned sheet, and maybe it’s just because I’m only pushing M10s, but I just typically use reflect or another defensive. Maybe I’ll see the diff if I really send it for every thing on the sheet…
waxen frigate
I see the pinned sheet, and maybe it’s just because I’m only pushing M10s, but I...
In 10s yeah it probably has low value because nothing hurts
sinful copper
Can u live the tank busters that are 50/50 melee and magic with just spell block/reflect? Like uhhh +15 swamp face smash
outer willow
In 10s yeah it probably has low value because nothing hurts
Ok that makes me feel less dumb. I have no aspirations of pushing beyond KSH
lusty grotto
i mean you should be using it regardless
outer willow
I can imagine that at higher keys things hurt a LOT
lusty grotto
its a tool, its free, and the alternative to it is virtually nothing
outer willow
i mean you should be using it regardless
I’m going to try it on my next priory and see how it feels
steady mason
There’s no world where 2 knights or 2 light spawns is pug friendly
I usually pull the 4 defenders and the right knight pack, chaining into the second knight pack as it pats back to the center. it works at 12/13... definitely not the most lust-efficient route but it works with pugs
outer willow
Follow up question :
I have the WA for spell reflect, but could not find a reliable one for Spell Block. Does one exist that you guys have had success with? Or should I just know when it’s needed?
outer willow
Affirm. Will do homework.
sinful copper
The WA for spell reflect isn't even that good. It pops up even when things are targeting others
lusty grotto
no you
sinful copper
Nimchip, how high r u in io now?
solid sun
Infinity
lusty grotto
1990\
sinful copper
Oh what? I thought u were one of the top prot warriors
steady mason
Affirm. Will do homework.
if youre just pushing for 10s, "this mob looks like it does magic damage" will probably get you 70-80% of the way
nocturne spindle
nim is simply the discord demon
sinful copper
Ooo
outer willow
if youre just pushing for 10s, "this mob looks like it does magic damage" will p...
This is definitely me. I’ve been farming priory 10s and it’s time to push the rest
lusty grotto
this is true
sinful copper
Do we think prot warrior will eventually be equal in top 100 with vdh when everyone is max ilvl?
solid sun
Being 1990 doesn’t mean you aren’t a top warrior. It just means you didn’t push keys
lusty grotto
yes, i lied, im 1476
sinful copper
That's the year I was born
sinful copper
That's twice as much as me
dusky canopy
Nim you don’t even have all 10s done!?!?
strong forum
lusty grotto
im 5k rated in yapping
dusky canopy
Ping the monk main canned fish enjoyer