protection

[fading tide]

Which other tank is pretty similar to Prot? Which tanks u guys playing as alts u find fun?

[jagged pier]

I dont find any other tank fun

So none

[solid sun]

I play prot warrior

[jagged pier]

Used to be monk but they made it unfun for me last expansion

Praying for shaman tank to be a thing but it wont be

[solid sun]

I dabble with bdk but it stresses me out sometimes

[sharp gale]

Yes monk was fun to me too but bfa brew

[jagged pier]

Nah df brew bringing back rsk not for me

Ruined the flow

[sharp gale]

And I play bdk bc raid and it’s not that fun in keys or raid

[jagged pier]

Very subjective i know

[sharp gale]

Im a button bloat angry boy for brewmaster

[fading tide]

I was gonna try bear but ironfur makes zero sense to me

[sharp gale]

When I play my monk I take the talent to remove tiger palm and WoO bc I just want to chill

[solid sun]

What about ironfur doesn’t make sense to you

[fading tide]

Understanding how many stacks to use on pulls

Shield block and IP are ez to understand

[sharp gale]

Imagine iron fur is your rage dump

Your mind will illuminate itself

[ebon lark]

I mean the most direct one is guardian druid, uses a similar mechanic for a resource, has similar active mitigation, etc.

[sharp gale]

(It means put iron fur on the same button than IP if you didn’t understand)

[ebon lark]

😵‍💫

I would honestly play druid over warrior if it had an Udyr like embodiment of a spirit animal not turning into one directly

Think glyph of stars, but for all specs.

[fading tide]

I like the fel bear but wish they had more colors of that type of model

[hardy snow]

Why alt, when you can just play main

[lucid mica]

Do we use demolish if its not fully stacked?

[west jay]

Anyone else find it extremely frustrating when hunters and rogues don't cast a single misdirect or tricks of the trade though a whole M+ run? Just done a weekly 10 rookery PUG with a rogue and hunter and not single cast all dungeon 🙁. I have played rogue for years and it's not hard to focus target macro which allows you to do damage quicker plus help the tank gather mobs on bigger pulls. Noticing this more on my prot warr since on my prot pala is much easier to gather. Rant over:P

[mortal cypress]

What spec was the hunter?

[west jay]

Marksmanship

[mortal cypress]

Ah, then yes

[drifting hull]

Rogues have a tricks talent that is supposed to make it last for an hour. Maybe they did that pre pull?

[mortal cypress]

Did you tell him to md more?

If I'm mm I pretty much md on CD as it helps me too

[ebon lark]

I do only when its really out of sync with avatar/demo shout/shield wall.

[west jay]

thats whats annoying since it helps us both. Yeah asked nicely but nothing:(

[west jay]

Na dint have that talent. I have that on my trickster outlaw. Such a good quality of life talent

Can see it being very good for coordinated groups for grouping big pulls by stealthing ahead

[mortal cypress]

some people are just bots or lazy

it happens

[west jay]

Yeah totally. Its so basic though I feel like I'm condescending to the players if I ask them to do it before dungeon starts:p

[mortal cypress]

you can say it friendly though....."please dont forget to MD to me, it helps a ton! thanks :)"

noone can be offended by that

[west jay]

yeah very true

[mortal cypress]

they will still probs just ignore it though 🤣

[lucid mica]

So ive read wowheads note on crafting items, i guess its good to craft shield and main hand if im not going to raid/have access to mythic weapons with this char? I saw that i can x2 duskthread or dawnthread, how do i choose between dusk or dawn?

Current gear, i have lots of options to craft as you can see but i wanted to have the embellishments clear

[vestal moat]

Choose whatever you like , you won’t notice a difference and can always switch to the other if you must . Don’t waste time thinking about it

[lucid mica]

Fantastic, and about the crafts, main hand and shield is good then?

[raw folio]

Colossus or thane for pugging m+? Or does it not matter? Slowly working on that 3k rio grind

[grim pilot]

Doesnt matter

[small steeple]

For prot warrior, shield is #1 item defensively. The block rating directly correlates to amount of damage mitigated when blocking

[lucid mica]

❤️

[round pendant]

man doing 10s to help gear my friend's alt

and it's so fucking boring

lmao

[frosty mango]

Colossus does a good bit more aoe damage but is harder to gather, thane does less damage but thunder blast makes gather easier.

Most people will play colo in m+(shockwave knock up too good) but at the 3k level you can play either have have no issues

Demolish is also high value for prio target damage

[lusty grotto]

oof

they were dunking on the poor hunter

[woven torrent]

is there a way to always dodge rookery last boss frontal?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[woven torrent]

i can do it easily with leap but moving i think im too slow or too close

[lusty grotto]

his melee range is massive

you can tank from the cart tracks

literally

[woven torrent]

[lusty grotto]

gives you more than enough time to move out since it has travel time

[woven torrent]

i shall try

[lusty grotto]

let me see if i can find a reference image

i cant but

if youre tanking left side

there's some cart tracks on the ground

and the melee range basically stops at around the edges of it

it is fucking massive the melee range

you can melee from literally africa

[woven torrent]

ye u mean somewhere like this

[lusty grotto]

yea

just look at your SS hotkey

[woven torrent]

i see thanks

[lusty grotto]

if it goes red youre out of melee

but even if youre just at the tracks it should give you more than enough time

sometimes you just gotta eat it though, so use spell block (or wall)

cause crystals might spawn close

[pallid quiver]

you can also get your charge range screwed on pull as a result of this smh

[woven torrent]

yep no problem if i have to eat it just didnt try if the range is that big

[frosty mango]

Stand on tracks and move

Use leap for circle overlaps

It’s brain dead easy once you realize you can stand 11 miles away

[lusty grotto]

[pallid quiver]

I think you're supposed to leap last second before the frontal launches to the location that your friend in the group is at

[round cliff]

ur fat

[solid sun]

What font is this

[jagged gust]

Brother clearly hasn't pugged as a tank yet

Imagine getting angry every time you weren't 4th on the meters

[round cliff]

hmmmm

that was fast lol

[ebon lark]

I want to enjoy Collosus, but the smaller range on thunderclap is noticeable on the pull

[round pendant]

spec into crackling thunder

wait what's it called

yeah Crackling Thunder

[ebon lark]

I've thought about that, but i'm not sure which 2 point talent to drop 1 point in to make the least difference.

I was thinking maybe crushing force, 5% off shield slam crit/crit damage, to gain a much smoother gather.

[karmic plinth]

i would never drop that one

[ebon lark]

Yea its one of those "I'm not sure" things, cause all the 2 point nodes seem significant.

[small steeple]

just drop intervene

[lusty grotto]

sans spear

im just doing a workshop so

spear all the way

[coral sonnet]

Hi all need some help with first pull of priory with mini boss + knight + trash. Seems like the tank buster from mini boss absolutely trucks me

I’m almost exclusively pushing IP in this pull but is there something else that I should be doing with my CDs?

for reference I’m 654 ilvl and this was a +12

[strong forum]

The pull kinda needs to die in less than 1 minute, otherwise most tanks will just flop

The tankbuster of the miniboss is not blockable, so be aware of it with cds planned for em

Otherwise yeah, just good ol IP + revenge spam however possible. Leech + brutal vitality is what keeps you alive there

Or generally in most pulls, leech is what keeps us alive

Besides IP

[coral sonnet]

yeah right okay

[unborn island]

I've done that pull about 10 times tonight on 14, and what Nome says is basically true.

If you have people interrupting the footmen's defend, focus firing the knight, and blasting then it does and it's easy, if it ends up lasting too long you're kinda boned 🙂

[coral sonnet]

Do you generally SW on gather?

[lusty grotto]

sure

plus

avatar has a mini wall

if youre playing colossus

[coral sonnet]

yep colossus

so my typically thing is charge into the 4 pack, clap leap into charge the knights SB, SS then just start trotting away to mini boss with taunt and tag archer with throw cleaver

usually once I hit the knights I pop a SW

[unborn island]

I usually clap the 4 footmen, leap, charge the knight pack with avatar+block, and clap again, throw at 2 of the middle pack, taunt the other one, and then shield charge into Suley. At which point I use my first wall

[coral sonnet]

Gonna steal that cheers

[unborn island]

Let that one knock me into the corner, pop ravager, and then get chunking

[coral sonnet]

Oh that’s another question I’ve noticed all the top warriors don’t run ravager but why

I feel it would help me with aggro

[unborn island]

I will be honest and say that it's a bit fucked and I don't actually execute it 100% of the time

[coral sonnet]

well I just started learning prot yesterday so I’m sure you’ve got a better handle on it than me 🤣

[unborn island]

But I just successfully did it 6 times in a row, so getting there, and the above is what I did

I could probably just use normal wall when I charge the knight and it will still be up for the first shield slam tbh

[coral sonnet]

oh and do you run a defensive trinket?

[unborn island]

Or if the healer is a priest, just get them to PS you

Mythic Tome and heroic Seaforium

If I raided and had a bombsuit I might be tempted to use it as an extra defensive on the first boss would be nice.

[coral sonnet]

what about the mud trinket from flood

Any good?

[small steeple]

mid on prot war

[coral sonnet]

appreciate the help

[strong forum]

We don't have ways to reduce the cd of mud

And it's essentially just the much worse version of bombsuit

Cuz bombsuits partial absorb is much more potent specifically on us because of IP

Also shorter CD

[round cliff]

scrapfield my beloved

[strong forum]

Funny thing about scrapfield

When the proc is on cd, it still counts the timer that grants you the haste buff

So proccing the absorb actually doesn't impact the potential of the haste gain at all

[small steeple]

lmao

[round cliff]

well the timer gets interrupted if it procs

doesnt it?

[small steeple]

so no downside? so basically big haste proc for any tank? not just prot warrior because we can stay above the hp threshold?

[strong forum]

Yeah no downside

[strong forum]

Moreso cuz you fell below the threshold

Not because of the proc, or the debuff it applies

The debuff is for the shield, not for the haste proc

[round cliff]

if u fall below the treshold while the shield is on cd does it still interrupt ur haste proc then

[strong forum]

Once you have gained the haste proc, it stays, but the timer until reactivation I think gets interrupted yeah

[round cliff]

yea thats what i meant

[strong forum]

Either way the expected uptime is ~33% of the haste buff

And wherether you proc the shield or not doesn't affect it

[round cliff]

neat

scrapfield Ws piling up

[strong forum]

It was always a great stat stick

[naive panther]

I timed 14 priory last night. Took a bunch of tries. Even swapped tanks and lust class and ended up finally getting it. I did do it with ravager, tossed it into a pack from center to help threat. Gotta have good classes that can coordinate the defends, and your range needs to be close. Had an evoker one attempt rip aggro because deep breathing shit in China.

Our timed attempt wasn't very clean either. I died at end of first pull when mini boss was still up. Pally bubble and instant res from dk saved it. Someone body pulled lightspawn into that mini boss with stuff I pulled around the back. Somehow we survived and I ended up pulling one less pack at end room to make up for it. Think we had like 6 deaths total. I did include dog pull at top of stairs. Not so bad post nerf with good stuns.

We lusted first pull. Triple pull after first boss. And then the final room blazing strike dude.

[idle copper]

Just learned we can spell reflect the whole room after the candle boss in DFC - not tried it

Do we just aggro them and spell reflect as normal (as they are all seemingly synced)?

[undone beacon]

@lusty grotto That 13 cinder you're in right now

Makes you a nerd

NERD

Tell that shaman he is a cring

[still sequoia]

Whats the average dps should be doing as prot in 12+?

[lusty grotto]

lol

[undone beacon]

woulda timed that if u were a bear just sayin

smh my damn head

[lusty grotto]

our sp is fucking bad

but hes a friend

[undone beacon]

yeah I saw that LMAO

Homie is strugglin

Barely did more than ya

[lusty grotto]

i was also spear

LOL

big int in this dungeon

[undone beacon]

Hyuge

Poor Pal is 4 rating from his 3k lol

[ebon lark]

I don't know how I should feel regularly out dpsing usually one of the 3 dps as prot if they aren't a meta spec.

But its happened from 2s all the way to 10s

[round pendant]

I simply wouldn't do suley with knight in a 12

oh those messages were old mb

[lusty grotto]

@undone beacon goblins stink

c:

[undone beacon]

GASP

:c

[lusty grotto]

lol your friend is a good one

fun dude

we tried but mistakes were made on the redo

[sharp gale]

I don’t compare myself with bad/learning players, so I don’t see value in details dps in low keys

[lusty grotto]

indeed

[topaz latch]

is anyone using indom on thane?

[round pendant]

happens in 10s

[ebon lark]

Its more so that I can see my own improvement, but its just a trend i noticed.

[odd comet]

Anyone know what mythic key level hero gear starts to drop?

[idle copper]

6

[odd comet]

Trying to go farm tome from priory

Nice

So 6 will drop 1/6 hero gear

[idle copper]

Not sure what ?/6 it is but its definately hero

1/6 according to wowhead

[odd comet]

Nice I just meant like 1/6 in the track so like 6/6 gets it to 665

[idle copper]

you get Gilded crest from 7 upwards

665 yep

Crafted gear with gilded is 675

[warm plinth]

@odd comet

[odd comet]

That’s huge right there

[idle copper]

why tome?

Sorry thought i was on fury channel

[odd comet]

No worries

I really wish I could play fury right now I’ve got 13s timed but above that i just feel like a bad person for not playing arms

[jagged gust]

can still rock with fury in raids

[sinful copper]

is our hps generally low? i only did like 400k hps in a key and wondering if that's ok.

[lusty grotto]

we dont look at hps

we're not an HPS tank

[sinful copper]

that's what i figured... and with colossus not really prioritizing ignore pain spam, i figured our hps would be very low compared to other tanks

[round cliff]

thats way too high

ur running indom and you shouldn't be, perchance

pump those numbers DOWN

[sinful copper]

ohhhhh wow yeah i am running that because i was tanking 10's at 630 ilvl so i wanted some more defensiveness lol. should i drop it for ravager?

[quick spruce]

Quick question? How do prot warriors dispel the corridor creeper dot on themselves?

[lusty grotto]

we dont

unless if we're dwarves

thats a healer job otherwise and/or if stoneskin is down

[quick spruce]

Oh I was watching topicx he said we could

Gotcha dwarf only

[lusty grotto]

well

you can talent Bitter Immunity but

[quick spruce]

Right

[lusty grotto]

so its a possibility

but its kind of 🤷‍♂️

[quick spruce]

What’s a good flex point to drop for disrupting shout?

[lusty grotto]

SoF

if youre colossus, that is

[quick spruce]

Awesome thanks!

[lusty grotto]

if youre thane, probably instigate

[frosty mango]

You can spell reflect it off

If there’s only one

But typically you have more than one

[mild pendant]

What kind of shield block uptime are you guys getting in higher keys?

[frosty mango]

97-99

I just did 14 rook and it was 97%

[queen elm]

What is the haste% before we want to swap to into the fray?

[tacit smelt]

eh around 16-18k if i recall correctly

[queen elm]

16k has me at 30% anyway, without into the fray

[tacit smelt]

i'm sitting on 22k haste, nothing wrong

[elfin pivot]

one question about the crafted weapons, i know their damage per second is the same, so even though their highs and lows are different it doesnt matter right? or should i craft a mace for the consistency?

[remote anchor]

it doesnt matter

[sinful copper]

In #protection-faq , I clicked the WAs and macros and it says I don't have access. How do I fix that?

Also, spell block only works with shield block up right?

[sharp gale]

You have some block, but yep you need to have shield block if you want >100%

[sinful copper]

Should I aim for both 100% uptime of shield block and also 100% uptime of ignore pain as Colossus?

[sharp gale]

For shield block you should aim the closest to 100% blocked hits on logs, and for ignore pain you just don’t want to overcap on rage

For block, it’s bc you can : not block an attack and die because you turned your back and 100% uptime is not the issue point

[sinful copper]

Ok ty!

[remote anchor]

just scroll down

you just dont have access to type there

[sinful copper]

that doesnt work on mobile. only worked when i was on PC

[sinful copper]

is the crafted neck behind at all from hero raid or M+ necks? im guessing not.

also, is intervene especially useful against any M+ mechanics? or just use on anyone that is low hp?

oh sorry, one last question too: does the 4pc significantly help with shield block uptime? im only getting about 70% with no tier

[round pendant]

crafted neck is a good craft

intervene kinda useless this season

swap it for crackling thunder imo

[round pendant]

What's your haste?

4pc does help yes

[sinful copper]

15k haste

[round pendant]

yeah without 4pc you're gonna wanna use Heavy Repercussions instead of ITF

[sinful copper]

ahhh ok ty!! appreciate the help

[lucid mica]

When do we want ITF instead of HR?

[round pendant]

18k haste without 4pc

I've heard 14k haste with 4pc but idk the exact number

personally wouldn't trust 14k

15-16k is prob a safe bet

[carmine cape]

hey guys, I am playing BDK in raid rn and we are on mythic gallywix. of course, a lot of the kills for gally are with prot warr and prot pala, but we are doing with BDK prot pala. I was curious if anyone here has an idea of when healers are using externals on the tank taking all the ego checks (i.e. prot warrior) so I can let my team know

if anyone has timestamps or logs or something of when prot warrior needs externals, I am assuming it will be somewhat similar for BDK and it would be helpful for me

[round pendant]

Check out lorrgs.io

[carmine cape]

ok I will when it is back up, seems like lorrgs is down

[solid sun]

All I need for resplendent 12 is a priory

I left it last on purpose

I’m never getting resplendent 12

[lusty grotto]

it definitely works

i just checked in case we needed to talk to Mwahi

[frosty mango]

Ego check is a big one

Also the trick shots/gatling gun overlap while the adds are up in p2 can be especially heinous on tanks

Warriors in particular

The bomb pops can also be very hairy if they’re far away

I just looked at top logs by execution on wcl when planning our cds and started there, if you see overlap on external usage across multiple groups that’s a good indicator you’ll definitely need something

Tactyks has a relatively easy to follow video about it on YouTube as well

[carmine cape]

This is what I am looking at, and the timing for lots of externals seems to be pretty consistent between pwarr and BDK

[frosty mango]

The bomb debuff isn’t a tank mech but good luck if you don’t have good healers or players lol

[carmine cape]

though it looks like more externals are used on BDK p1 and none are used in p2 on BDK

and pwarr has more externals in p2

it is difficult because a lot of the logs rn are prot warrior and I am BDK

[frosty mango]

You will naturally find your external places

Basically any time you need to eat damage and not have something to hit will probably be where you need them

[carmine cape]

Gotcha, thank you! Im just trying to use as many resources as I can 🙂

[lusty grotto]

who keeps shitting on WCL every NA morning?

this has become a recurring thing

[cerulean olive]

imagine stacking mastery versa on prot warrior, whos with me

[frosty mango]

All the nerd gods who should be working

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

meetings are boring

so gotta look at something 🙂

[frosty mango]

See

He gets it

Speaking of gallywix, in heroic how close do you need to be for Gatling gun

I got hit for 11m last night (and subsequently fell over) which I think was because I was too far from him - but I was still in melee range

[lusty grotto]

that's very strange

[strong forum]

me

[lusty grotto]

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-pikachu-pokemon-shocked-gif-16985133

[dusky canopy]

You guys gotta eventually learn that nome is just the goat bro

[small steeple]

Kill the BrewMaster!

[nocturne spindle]

Stack so much mastery you hit 100% block without sb. No need for haste

[sharp gale]

Funny bc I crafted my cloak vers mastery

[rigid kestrel]

i survived

😠

[sharp gale]

GG, so you managed to have goated def rotation on the bleed ?

[rigid kestrel]

lmfao

i race swapped bro

[sharp gale]

Or dwarf

Lel

[rigid kestrel]

dwar=no problems

[sharp gale]

I will swap too, I’m just staying gnome longer to get the full pain more

[small steeple]

that is the prot pally way

[sharp gale]

and I don’t really push

[round pendant]

I should gear my dwarf pwar

[frosty mango]

How much mastery would we need

[round pendant]

too much

[frosty mango]

Given Dr it has to be some astronomical number right?

Like would 100k mastery even be close?

[warm plinth]

Can't really go by char sheet because mastery DRs based on mastery points, not % like other stats. It's 700 mastery per point, but what percent you get per point varies by spec

[sharp gale]

50k without taking diminishing returns

[small steeple]

not quite

[lusty grotto]

no

not even close

[sharp gale]

maybe i did math wrong, 5692 / 8.1 = 702
37.22-8.1 = 29.12
100-29.12 = 70.88
70.88 x 702 = 50k ish
idk how it really works just bare ratio math im dumb

[dusky canopy]

I can barely handle clicking log in let alone all that math

[harsh trellis]

then the math gets all distorted when flasks kick in and kill your stats

[small steeple]

so just going on the base and the picture here, 4% at 0 mastery, with +4% block chance every 5k mastery (which is wrong but rough) would get 25 blocks of 5k mastery, which, is 100k mastery for 100%, taking in this rough approximation and before diminishing returns

[lusty grotto]

at 50k mastery you would have -50% DR

[small steeple]

before DR

[warm plinth]

It's not 5k mastery for 4% block

[sharp gale]

at 0 mastery i have 30% block

[small steeple]

from mastery, ignoring that

[sharp gale]

from what i did it's 702 mastery for 1%

[lusty grotto]

right

but you cant say "its 50k" without factoring DR

[small steeple]

so 8 mastery points gives 4% block chance

[strong forum]

base mastery is 8 or 12%

iirc

[sharp gale]

my 37% base block and parry is what made me do the keys with no shield block

[small steeple]

8, but block sclaes at 0.5 from mastery

crit block at 1.5

[small steeple]

points not rating mind you

because all classes start with 8 points

so then 700 rating per point,

[sharp gale]

kinda wild

[small steeple]

hover over mastery

[strong forum]

thats world pvp scaling

[small steeple]

it will say 4

[small steeple]

boom

8 points, for 1.5*8=12 crit, and 0.5*8=4

[frosty mango]

I’ve been gone for like

20 mins

And we still do t have an answer

[sharp gale]

NAKED GNOME YES ROIDBERG

[frosty mango]

This is important guys

If I need 300k mastery to drop shield block I gotta get to work

[lusty grotto]

you cant get there

140k mastery is 100% DR

its impossible

[sharp gale]

how much for 100 % crit blocking

[frosty mango]

That’s quitter talk

[small steeple]

oh thats only 1.5*master points, where 1 mastery point = 700 rating (before diminishing returns)

[frosty mango]

Someone call rextroy

[sharp gale]

it is 92k* mastery when i do with my 5692 gives 4.1% block

[strong forum]

yeah but you gotta calc in the DR'd mastery aswell

the -10%, -20%, -50% and -100% thresholds 😄

[small steeple]

so

[solid sun]

Hey @frosty mango did you do any mud gaming this weekend

[sharp gale]

yes it was without deminishing returns

so now it is just calculate like my taxes (need 66.33% block, 1% is 1388)

[frosty mango]

Yes my hot tub was filled completely with mud and I streamed it

Dirty keys

[solid sun]

Suits would have been an even better show if their mudding sessions included a few keys

[frosty mango]

Suits had the chick who played Donna AND Meghan Markle that show is top tier

[solid sun]

It’s quite good, yes

[small steeple]

so at 28k mastery, you would have a raw just 31.5% extra block chance

plus 30% baseline

so 61% block at 28k mastery

[solid sun]

Now factor in mud

[small steeple]

Mud?

Trinket?

[solid sun]

How much extra block does that give you

[small steeple]

that gives vers, not mastery?

[solid sun]

If you imagine the shield mud provides as a force field that blocks a hit from getting to you

It’s a brief 100% block chance

[small steeple]

oh...

[frosty mango]

Untrue

[small steeple]

I'll see myself out now then

[frosty mango]

The mud is doing the blocking, not you

[solid sun]

Okay that’s fair

Bad does not appreciate the addition of mud into the equation

Do y’all remember that trinket in SL that had an on use effect that created a literal barrier in front of you

[sharp gale]

i don't think you can have 100% block with mastery

i have +34,82% with 56k (so now with diminishing returns) and i need 66.33, and i can't go over 140k

[mortal cypress]

isnt that the point of diminishing returns? to stop people doing weird shit and breaking them

*the game

[sharp gale]

oh no i can, it's 121k mastery

[mortal cypress]

reported

[nocturne spindle]

I say one meme and y'all still matching

Mathing

[sharp gale]

that's why they introduced it AFTER corruptions ?

[nocturne spindle]

Fuck you phone

[solid sun]

I thought secondary DR’s were to help main stat to stay the best stat throughout an expansion

[mortal cypress]

i thought they were in already

[sharp gale]

nop it's SL

[buoyant sparrow]

What is the magic haste % to keep shield block up 100%

[sharp gale]

a beautiful straight line in blue

[lusty grotto]

there is no such thing

[sharp gale]

maybe it's another Math question

[lusty grotto]

player skill, content, number of targets, there's way too many variables

talents, etc

[sharp gale]

there is a haste number where shield block cd is under its duration

[lusty grotto]

thats not what he asked

but feel free 😉

[nocturne spindle]

you get shield block cooldown lowered by procs

[sharp gale]

oh the tier no tier haste for ITF basically ?

[nocturne spindle]

which you get more of from what nim said

17k

[sharp gale]

i kept stacking until the same amount as S1 bc fuck rng in keys

[toxic gyro]

Technically if you don’t consider rng part of shield charge from tier, you could give him % number required to maintain 100% sb.

[lusty grotto]

the numbers we give here are kinda based on the minimum number you need to have a chance of keeping SB up for a very determined amount of time and only focused on effective blocking, not full block uptime

there's way, WAY too many variables

for a blanket number to be said for 100% blocking and a lot more nuance than that

[solid sun]

Since the animation for shield wall is shields circling around you I think you should be able to block fully 360 degrees around you during shield wall

[mild river]

True. And we could back tank stuff haha

[strong forum]

16k for weekly keys is comfy enough and 18k+ to be on the safe side tbh lad

[lusty grotto]

Yes nome

But there's several assumptions with that statement, was my point

[mild river]

I tried a DFC 15 and then 14 and in both times we got obliterated by the candle king. Wtf is that damage? Was it buffed?

[lusty grotto]

Im not saying it's incorrect, im only saying its a lot more nuanced than just asking for a very specific number with a very broad question

[sharp gale]

a hotfix buffed the boss yes

but then they nerfed the absorb i think

rdruid is the best for candle king

[toxic gyro]

They fixed him applying absorb shield to all affected players. So technically it got buffed.

[mild river]

So how do you guys tank it? Stack, destroy and move to a clean area?

Right?

[toxic gyro]

Keep him next to wall and move along after each set of statues.

[mild river]

So never in the middle?

[brittle summit]

Does anyone know if spell reflect negates the dud bomb on Gally?

[toxic gyro]

Nope. It stacks the statues if you tank him next to wall.

[solid sun]

Seems like he places new statues so fast nobody has time to reposition

[toxic gyro]

If they’re close to begin with then you spend less time to reposition

[solid sun]

And if he’s on the wall we always get screwed by sand

I’ve had way more success in the middle

So there must be something to the wall Strat that’s not happening in my groups

[toxic gyro]

Idk that’s how most groups do it from what I’ve seen.

[solid sun]

Hey @gentle violet have you iterated on your priory route since your +12 video

[lusty grotto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMDLUn8T_ZY

here you go

you dont hug the wall

you just stay close to it

i do it on the edges, its basically the same

and rotate around

[solid sun]

Gonna send this to the squad, thanks

[round pendant]

It's longer than it seems but it's still absurdly tight

genuinely surprised they haven't nerfed it cause it feels like shit

has done all season

[mild pendant]

When do you press Tome Of Lights Devotion? not super clear from the tooltip what it does. Can I just macro it into Avatar?

[round pendant]

no

You press it when you're on shield mode to switch to sword mode

there's a pin about the trinket

[solid sun]

Only pain point in the dungeon for me

[mild pendant]

Ahh so you kind of want to press the on Use to get back to sword mode always

[round pendant]

There is very little you can do as a tank other than hope people move quickly after soaks

staying near wall is all you can do really

and pray

and scream

[round pendant]

yeah

get a sin rogue in your key and they'll just shadowstep back each time

[solid sun]

I’ve been leveling my ass rogue and it’s surprisingly fun

Feels like it’s lost some buttons since last I played it but I don’t mind

[lusty grotto]

im trying to get this done

fucking sns loadout is ass

i might just hammer or gun lance it

[solid sun]

I didn’t know you were a MH gamer. I’m a big hammer type of fellow

[lusty grotto]

i was a hammer main until this one

i swapped to sns so i figured do ithe A time rank as sns

[round pendant]

yeah it lost having to press slice and dice and I don't think any build takes ER anymore

oh they changed that anyway

it's a passive

if you want more buttons you gotta play hybrid but it's kinda just not as good for m+

[solid sun]

I assume Slice and Dice is for pirates

[round pendant]

no

Slice and Dice is a base rogue finisher

[mild pendant]

Any good WA to track what mode youre in?

[solid sun]

Search for tome on Wago

There’s a few different ones

[round pendant]

https://wago.io/3VXuiahTx

[mild pendant]

Is that your custom link?

[round pendant]

I changed it so it's only saturated when in shield mode*

[round pendant]

no I didn't make this

so basically if I see it lit up I press it

never have to think about it any other time

[sharp gale]

i motivated myself to do the last 13 i needed W

[small steeple]

Grats!

[dusky canopy]

Hammer betrayer!

[lucid mica]

How is MT vs Colo defensively? I might like MT more because more fury and i like thunderclap more than revenge + i feel its easier to gather as mt

[lusty grotto]

theres not a huge difference

its marginal at best

with proper play

[lucid mica]

Fantastic 🙂

[lusty grotto]

just better to play colossus since it gaps thane in damage

[lusty grotto]

hammer is kinda underperforming in this game

sadly

apparently they will balance it by next update

but until then... sns

[lucid mica]

Annnd one last question, when do we take BSV? Is the same case as vdh where to take a cheat death you make yourself weaker?

[lusty grotto]

youre slightly weaker

dps goes down somewhat

but that's fine

its perfectly fine to take it

ideally in the content type that demands it

[lucid mica]

Is it like this or we swap other talent?

[lusty grotto]

not under

what are you playing?

you mentioned thane

is that correct?

[lucid mica]

No im staying colo

I like MT more but anyway

[lusty grotto]

we don't play indom

[lucid mica]

I took this from wowhead 😦 what should i play then?

[small steeple]

You'd move Battering Ram from shield charge to BSV, Indom is trash nowdays

[lusty grotto]

these are the swaps we make as Colossus

depending on what you need

[lucid mica]

Badkad i have no clue what battering ram is hahaha, i was about to ask for a screenshot tyty

[small steeple]

left node for Shield Charge

[round pendant]

Talent tree has a search

[lucid mica]

Yes but im spanish

[lucid mica]

Thank youuu

[lusty grotto]

Ariete

is battering ram

[small steeple]

Also, bloodsugre (or whatever for rage on deep wounds) is never worth it now imo. It only makes more rage in 5+ targets, but thats when we have the most rage already, so I take instigate always

[lucid mica]

Cool thank you all again

[small steeple]

do keep in mind, this is from my own experience. I personally haven't had a situation in a 5+ target scenario where I was like "damn I need more rage" or I would have been able to live if I just had more rage.

But similar stuff has happened below 5 targets

[fading viper]

Yoyo, Ive been picking up some prot again (played last season), but I notice now that we arep laying colossus, I struggle with threat since I dont have the enhanced thunder clap mountain thane gives me.
Any tips? (I do want to play colossus, im trying to push 15/16s so I wanna be optimal)

[lusty grotto]

talent crackling

and use troar and tclap

[fading viper]

I have

[lusty grotto]

well you shouldnt have a lot of issues

[fading viper]

maybe i need to use roar better

[lusty grotto]

whats your weapon ilvl

[fading viper]

weapon 678 haha

its mainly at the start of a pull

now that i cant thunderclap avatar thunderclap

[lusty grotto]

use ravager as well

[round pendant]

in m+? your dps are griefing you prob

[gentle violet]

I wouldn’t ever give up disrupting shout. 6 second AoE Kick/Silence is way too OP in high keys.

[round pendant]

if in raid idk shouldn't be an issue

[lusty grotto]

i didnt say that

that is the base build

and those are the swaps we make

context

[small steeple]

^

[round pendant]

is your avatar ai generated

opinion DISMISSED

[gentle violet]

I know, I’m just saying I would recommend it as a swap ever. It’s too valuable, even in low key pugs when nobody kicks. In raid, you could drop it obvs.

[small steeple]

Nim was just showing what the flex talents were, and what to flex too

[small steeple]

disagree, even in low keys, people just throw aoe stops, so if you use it, you're quite likely to wiff it because of that more in lower keys

[gentle violet]

People using AoE stops in low keys must be new.

[gentle violet]

Weird comment

[small steeple]

not really. They send it on cd for the most part, making it get wasted because they overlap.

[round pendant]

I mean disrupting is a valid pick

but it's not necessary for anything below like a 14

[small steeple]

oh yeah, I take disrupting in 12+

[gentle violet]

I suppose I’m out of touch with what happens in low keys. I’m probably wrong. Probably rather have show of force dps.

Not like a kick going through is going to 1-shot.

[grim hare]

does champions spear just root or does ir pull enemies in

[round pendant]

not as weird as using ai "art" 😔

[round pendant]

it "roots" but it just yanks em back if they leave the radius

[grim hare]

so its ursols vortex with a different animation

[small steeple]

hey, no need to be mean here

[gentle violet]

AI art > graphic designer. Unlimited options and alterations for free. This is the new way. On 5 years it will be the only reasonable option.

Do I like people losing jobs, no. Just reality.

[grim hare]

Where do you think AI learned its art from

[small steeple]

I mean, AI art is just a reconstruction of graphic designer art in a manner to reproduce what it was trained on.

[sudden lynx]

@jaunty latch I think you're in raid with some of my friends lol

PUMPING damage

[grim hare]

Using AI for personal use? sure. I do it all the time for DND. Commercial art sales though is crossing a hard line

[chilly brook]

12s and under I’d drop it tbh

[sudden lynx]

Nvm the guy was pulling my leg gg

[small steeple]

The problem with AI art is it can't create anything new. It can only create stuff similar to what it was trained on

[chilly brook]

Reality is though even if you’re covering a lot of extra stuff if your dps aren’t bothering kicking properly then you’re just giga owned anyways because they’re going to fuck something else up that will matter in high keys

[grim hare]

Is NELF basically required. I'm currently an orc but meld is way too good

[chilly brook]

No not required

Is really nice tho

Most meld skips can be done by someone else

[tribal wharf]

if you want to know how bad chat gpt really is, ask it questions about your favorite obscure video games how to finish it

[chilly brook]

And most of them aren’t required to begin with

[lusty grotto]

Not quite, it's better than vortex since it Yanks back more than once

[tribal wharf]

something like a beat em up game or contra rip off thing

thats when it gives the really shit answers

[round pendant]

I'm not even top 5 meanest person here

😔

[tribal wharf]

however, ask gpt a question about tech and generally it seems to know

[lucid mica]

Ask a non very basic question and I lately disagree

[round pendant]

It doesn't know shit

[grim hare]

Are there any pulls that a DH can do that prot can't? I'm going to try prot since my friends play mostly physical and I don't want to roll in and eat shit on my normal routes

I know its kind of a vague question but its the aggressive pull routes for high keys

[lusty grotto]

Not really

[chilly brook]

Not that I really know of

You might not want to do those pulls but that depends entirely on the group you’re running

[sharp gale]

I think it’s more down to meld skips with dh, and not needing dwarf THAT much (and can’t)

[chilly brook]

Keep in mind a lot of those aggressive pulls are large and aggressive because of the fact that the comp is UH DK and boomkin

If you’re running outlaw rogue and WW monk then you’re not gaining much at all by those pulls

So entirely comp dependent

[grim hare]

My uncapped guys are UHDK and sin rogue with the mass bleed build

[chilly brook]

Then sure ye

[tribal wharf]

i can garuntee gpt knows about computers

maybe not super well

[round pendant]

It doesn't "know" anything

[sharp gale]

Google knows about computer

[tribal wharf]

it sure as fuck doesnt know how to beat sword master for nes

what if im playing that and i get stuck

and all i have is gpt, well then im probably fucked cuz its gunna give shit answers for that

i ask it, what parts do i buy for my pc how do i hook this and that up

ez

[round pendant]

It's bad because it steals artist's hard work, their jobs and beyond all of that it's soulless too. AI "art" enjoyers are just overly entitled hedonistic slop consoomers who have no appreciation for anything beyond how much it fires their dopamine receptors

idc if people use it to create crappy dnd characters though

but you'd be cooler if you just scribbled in ms paint

[round pendant]

You could use your brain and practice omg

[tribal wharf]

that games hard as shit

and i keep sliding off the ledges

and i cant figure out why

[grim hare]

I use it in my sessions to just create theater of the mind pictures for towns or encounters and such

[tribal wharf]

and ive been at it for 7 hours

[round pendant]

Doesn't that kinda rob people of their creativity and imagination though?

[tribal wharf]

thats something that can sort of happen on one of the stages of that game, but what i mean is, it cant navigate that shit at all

[sharp gale]

Nah we will choose the gps in exchange of orientation skill in every universe

[grim hare]

Now I just need to convince my disc player to go MW lol

[tribal wharf]

what im trying to beat atm 100% is prodeus

doom 2016 at home

[sharp gale]

Just show him a twitch vod of top world m+ healers doing weekly’s on their alts near the end of the week and gaslight they are rerolling

[pallid quiver]

you could even have yourself some ms paint adventures, even

someone put me down, i'm too far gone

[round pendant]

That's a throwback

[sharp gale]

In my dnd games we just take google image pictures for everything and we do awful mix on paint, it is so much fun

[lusty grotto]

LOL

cmon now, too soon

[sharp gale]

and when i cry i draw it

[lusty grotto]

rip the current pope

[sharp gale]

the gravel is because i have 150 stones on me

[lusty grotto]

as of this morning i guess, so a little late

[sharp gale]

it is a coincidence, i was a priest in this campaign couple months ago

[lusty grotto]

yeah im just messing with ya

[chilly brook]

I'm so angy I have to wait until tomorrow for the Oblivion Remaster

reeeeeeeeeee

[keen pivot]

Hi all, for keys 10-13, battering ram or ravager, which does more dps?

[lusty grotto]

you pick both

#protection message see here

with flex points included

[keen pivot]

Hmm, instead of indomitable, ok will give that a go, thanks

[chilly brook]

indom sucks

blizz killed it

[sharp gale]

when i had more rocks on me and (something happened when i slept/why i have a white stain)

[round pendant]

That's more like it

[lusty grotto]

🤔

happy

did you

ok you know what, im not gonna ask

[round pendant]

Huh

[sharp gale]

char of my friend

[lusty grotto]

wolf hat

[sharp gale]

and 3rd member of group

[lusty grotto]

[sharp gale]

when someone has a torch ofc (and if we steal something from their spreadsheet page without them noticing, we successfully stole it in the game

[sharp gale]

And for the white stain, I didn’t put it on my char/ we slept (cigarette break for me) I come back and I see this

[lusty grotto]

yes yes

your priest gooned

[sharp gale]

I think i got gooned on

[pallid quiver]

That was me, my bad

[lusty grotto]

hooooly

[pallid quiver]

I spilled the yoghurt

[round pendant]

see how much more fun that is than ai slop

[lilac widget]

guys is there a way to sim as tank?

[round pendant]

yeah you just sim dps

you can't sim defensiveness

[lilac widget]

ahh crap

[lusty grotto]

we just sim dps

and yes we do sim

all stats provide a defensive value, so higher sim for dps usually means more defensiveness

[lilac widget]

yeah i do sim

i was asking if theres a way to sim if something is better specifically defensively

ah well

[round pendant]

if there's some choice you're specifically thinking about

just ask here and some nerd who's already thought about it will let you know

[topaz latch]

super late, but is it trash for both colossus and thane?

[heavy sparrow]

What was it before of you don't mind me asking

[lusty grotto]

wowhead is your friend

10.0.0 is DF

compare to TWW's version

[heavy sparrow]

We are each other's friend

[lusty grotto]

plus the rage changes this season

[heavy sparrow]

Ahhhh

[round pendant]

I think it's alright for thane right

since you got more rage gen

wonder if it's good if you pick bloodsurge too for certain dungeons even as col

🤔

[topaz latch]

i moved back to MT, and i havent really thought about it, until i realized it got nerfed and we dont rage gen as well as we use to. so i still got indom on and never thought about it til now.

[pallid quiver]

I have no friends.

If you insist on trying to be my friend, then you must perish.

[heavy sparrow]

Both bloodsurge and devastate rage? I thought about it for fun, but I don't have rage issues

[sharp gale]

i think you could sim with high target numbers (those dungeons i question myself too about bloodsurge) and check ressource gained with the 2 talents on the detailed report

[lilac widget]

well im using cyrces circlet, and a 665 crit haste ring, but i just got a heroic track vers mastery ring, i was just wondering if i should swap out cyrces for it in 10s as above? as i read we need more vers higher keys

also, does anyone have a good wa for tome of lights devotion

[round pendant]

sim damage

if it's more dps than circlet, take it

[mortal cypress]

Is your first name Barry?

[sharp gale]

your first name is Bad ?

[round pendant]

https://wago.io/3VXuiahTx

[mortal cypress]

Nah, but his name just reminded me of this

[lusty grotto]

dont do that

waste of a talent

in fact, as thane you dont need either

[sharp gale]

i wonder what his ancestor did to get that name

[topaz latch]

no need for devastator as thane???

[lusty grotto]

oh shit i misread

or did i?

im pretty sure he didnt mean devastate but instigate

[topaz latch]

OH lol

[lusty grotto]

which you dont need either of

as thane

[topaz latch]

yeah that makes more sense. lol. i should have inferred lol. was just taken by surprise

[lusty grotto]

just press more SS

[topaz latch]

i got instigate up, dont remember when i added it tho

[lusty grotto]

you have enough resets as thane, you have triple SS with Burst of Power

its fine, but if you need disrupting you swap instigate for it as thane only

[topaz latch]

oh its my flex point. i think it was left over when i copy and pasted the build from wow head

[topaz latch]

and colossus gives up SoF right?

[lusty grotto]

correct

[lilac widget]

@round pendant tyvm, 🙂

finally got the spicy 'in' trink

[topaz latch]

thank you for clarifying

i love dis shout, but ihate how expensive it feels to take.

and its long ass cd

is taking both thunderlord and SoF a thing, or is it dumb?

[lusty grotto]

as colossus? dont do it it'll desync demo

the only value TL has as colossus is a defensive value

and that is debatable

considering you dont Tclap that often, at least not in AOE

[chilly brook]

Rage changes finally killed it

[topaz latch]

My apologies, I mean Thane. Im moving back to my first love.

[lusty grotto]

you dont SoF as thane

i mean, i guess you can but

TL is more important

[topaz latch]

the 20% dam to tc not that good?

[lusty grotto]

as thane

[topaz latch]

yeah thunderlord is good shit

[lusty grotto]

idk i never played TL as thane in s1

or instigate or bloodsurge

[topaz latch]

where would you move the instigate point?

[lusty grotto]

challenging, wherever

[topaz latch]

ill use that as my midgate flex point.

[lusty grotto]

disrupting, i mean

[topaz latch]

yeah, gotcha

[lusty grotto]

its fine to use since it got buffed

instigate, i mean

[round pendant]

got me excited then

thought disrupting shout got buffed

[topaz latch]

lolol

[lusty grotto]

lol

[lucid mica]

How much rough % more damage is Colo over MT in m+? Like are they doing so much difference?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[small steeple]

Mountain Thane does a sizable amount less. Like take the difference between AR and FS, then times that by 10

well ok maybe 4

[round pendant]

let's take cinderbrew +12

top colossus is 2.2-2.6m

thane is 1.6-2.2m

granted, less people are playing thane so it's probably a bit low

[small steeple]

The highest damage parse in a 12 CB for mountainthane is only a 96 parse for 12 cb for prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

its around 20% less damage as thane

[lime mantle]

You also gain nothing by being thane, don't you?

[lusty grotto]

in broad terms, no

there are differences between the two though, so it depends on what specifically youre looking for

[lime mantle]

In M+ specifically since we are discussing that.

[lusty grotto]

still broad

[lucid mica]

🥺 Thats way more than I expected, colo is then hahaha, I just like more the Mt playstyle with thunderclap but it is what it is

[lusty grotto]

if you want an easier time, and are inexperienced and want your defensives to be passive, you can pick thane

if youre bad with rage management in general, pick thane

if its a new player, thane is also recommended

until you get the hang of rage management

and of defensive cycling

thane just has a tad of more room for error

[lucid mica]

Just new to pwar, I'll learn to play properly as colo, it's just a matter of time, after all it's my first week as pwar

[small steeple]

Coming from vdh like you are @lucid mica, rage management is very different from how souls and fury work for vdh

[lime mantle]

Only way to make thane viable again is to give it Bastion of might and deafening crash from BFA, trust 11.2 🙏

[lusty grotto]

generally speaking there should be no difference defensivewise when both are played well

and if there is, its so small that it doesnt really matter in the grand scheme of things

compared to a whopping ~20% damage disparity

[lime mantle]

Thane also felt pretty awful to play, at least at the start of the season.
Felt very rage-starved.

[small steeple]

I saw Leurce did a log review for you Quaarkz, but a way to think of it is with vdh you have spikes, SoF, FB, and meta too all manage. With prot war, keep shield block, and then use cd's like shield wall in addition to shield block. It should always be up

[lucid mica]

Yes I did not know that I could press SB back to back and duration added, so now it's much easier to manage, I still oversend IP though but I'll work on it

[lofty warren]

11.1.5 combat manager to replace the class weak aura to put in middle of screen?

[sharp gale]

In my mind the only difference in def is col has the 10% Dr for 10 sec when you demolish, avatar wall and mountain of muscle vs keep your feet and thunderlord as thane

[sharp gale]

Depends on the customization options, my big guess is : no

[round pendant]

god I kinda hate vdh

though I think it's my wa pack

[sharp gale]

Unless you could customize more the combat thing we already have to whitelist/blacklist few things, with cd manager it can be good

[sharp gale]

It’s your mog the problem

[round pendant]

my vdh is naked

[sharp gale]

You know what I’m making a dh rn, I was asking myself what to do in wow (beside turning in Dornogal)

[lusty grotto]

yup

[solid sun]

I dislike vdh

Just feels weird idk

[solar forum]

New prot warrior question: should I be charging into packs in m+ keys? Does that sync melee hits from the mobs? That was a thing on bear tank I remember but not sure if Warriors charge functions differently.

[lusty grotto]

doesnt matter if you have SB up

and charge gives you rage

and so does avatar

its bad for bears because you probably have to ramp up iron furs

we dont care about it

[solar forum]

Word I figured as long as SB is up it’s fine

Thank you

[lusty grotto]

just watch your butt

butt hits = deleted

[toxic pewter]

I can get new corruptions and shit tomorrow right

Can do the visions

[lusty grotto]

temu corruptions sure

no

[toxic pewter]

Wat that

[lusty grotto]

visions come out later

[toxic pewter]

Yeah later tomorrow patch come out

Visions revisit

[lusty grotto]

no

[toxic pewter]

Wat in the world

[lusty grotto]

look at the schedule again

[toxic pewter]

…

[toxic pewter]

Wtf another month

wait what you mean temu corruptions

[lusty grotto]

do you not know what temu is

how about wish.com

[toxic pewter]

Can’t remember

Ok lol

So the corruptions are available how we get them anyway

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea

its just a head enchant

[toxic pewter]

Isn’t it from the horrific visions though

[lusty grotto]

its not technically a corruption since it has no drawback

[toxic pewter]

At least I assume

[lusty grotto]

yeah they come out with visions

apparently

so

in may

[wide quail]

newbie prot warrior here. do most of youu go Thane or Colossus?

[lusty grotto]

colossus

but thane is easier to play

[toxic pewter]

Reeeeeeeeee

[lusty grotto]

if youre new, do thane until you get better at rage management and defensive cycling

[wide quail]

thane it is, I guess. thanks

[lusty grotto]

or you can always bite the bullet and go straight in, whichever you think is best for you

[sharp gale]

yeah in char creation i lost all my will and im on my rdruid pushing now

[round cliff]

"defensive cycling" we have 1 defensive 😔

[lusty grotto]

we have 2 walls

not "one"

and one mini wall

and spell block

those are all defensives

how dare you 1 guy me

[sharp gale]

last stand

[lusty grotto]

demo shout

spell reflection

punish stacks

[sharp gale]

IGNORE PAIN

[lusty grotto]

[sharp gale]

the worst of all

[lusty grotto]

[ionic nimbus]

IP can be useful as thane

[sharp gale]

A PROT IN MY KEY

[ionic nimbus]

Bleeds you can literally spam it to span bleeds

[lusty grotto]

or you can just

dwarf and parry

🙂

[ionic nimbus]

Looks Like a fury that found a way to Deal with target cap

[solid sun]

I’d like to learn how to heal, but I think I already dislike people enough

[round pendant]

I love being dripfed content

yum yum thanks blizz

[solid sun]

It’s a bad patch anyways

A buff tracker that seems mostly unusable, a garbage version of corruptions, aaaaaaand ig whatever you can get from doing visions?

[round cliff]

visions are peak content

good patch by default

[solid sun]

In what way were visions peak content?

[lusty grotto]

visions were peak content

this aint the og visions

we will see if these match up

[solid sun]

I guess getting the mask tmog things were pretty cool and getting to stack more and more OG corruptions was sick

I loved t.dev and juicing my stats

[round cliff]

nimchip tempering my expectations instead of letting me be excited

[lusty grotto]

i mean there's literally no corruption

no ghosts following that 1 shot you

or close to 1 shot you

[round cliff]

no corruption?

sus actually

bad patch

[lusty grotto]

the head enchants are very underwhelming compared to the originals

[solid sun]

It’s kind of a disservice to corruptions to name these head enchants the same thing imo

[round cliff]

idc much about the corruptions

none of em really changed how i played

[lusty grotto]

shouldnt be called corruptions if they dont have drawbacks

head enchants is a more appropriate name

[solid sun]

Do you think the new class/spec buffs resetting when raid bosses are pulled is intended or some kind of oopsie

[round cliff]

id be ok with it if they also made short cds reset just like all the others

im fuckin tired of not having ravager on pull

[solid sun]

Well it sounds like if a fury warrior presses recklessness before charging in and the boss gets pulled after that

They lose the recklessness buff but the ability stays on cooldown

[round pendant]

it's so scuffed and stupid that it has to be an oopsie

[pallid quiver]

From what I saw, it also affects Avatar for Wars

So if you just charge+Avatar in, you'd likely lose Avatar as a prot war

[round pendant]

I always taunt before avatar

[solid sun]

Same

[round pendant]

I was preparing for this fuck up the entire time

[solid sun]

I guess you could heroic throw > charge + avatar

[round cliff]

charge pulls

just charge ava

[mighty valley]

I always heroic throw when the timer's at 1 then taunt when it lands then charge + avatar

Dunno why

Something to do I guess

[sharp gale]

I just taunt charge

[worldly parrot]

hey, im crafting my 675 shield for my prot warrior right now, i was wondering what embelishment you guys recomend in general?

i was thinking like dawnweave thread, but i wasnt sure

i am doing everforged defender btw

[sharp gale]

I have 1 crit and 1 vers but i think i should recraft now but lazy

[worldly parrot]

what missive do you have?

[sharp gale]

I have crit haste on shield/neck/ring and vers mastery on cloak

I just simmed when I crafted

[worldly parrot]

oh ok, thanks

[fiery wren]

Do i need to bind rend, ww, or slam as prot? (thane)

[vestal moat]

nope

[fiery wren]

if i am collosus do i need WW?

[pallid quiver]

Whirlwind unbound at all as prot war

you use revenge instead

[fiery wren]

ty

whats better enchant for m+, radiant power or depths?

[sharp gale]

Radiant

[fiery wren]

is there supposed to be some downtime in the rotation of prot warr?

[pallid quiver]

No

If you ever have a missed global, you messed up

Generally by overspending on IP so you were unable to reset the CD on SS

However, based on your comments, I'm guessing you're still levelling

In which case it's definitely possible to have some downtime depending on how the content is going

[fiery wren]

no im a 666 ilvl fury warrior learning tanking for the first time

lol

[pallid quiver]

in that case, no, Prot War should have every single global filled

[woven ice]

how are you guys generating threat during chaotic pulls where stuff gets but pulled? i’ve noticed while using colossus specifically it’s harder to get them attacking me when challenging shout is on cd

[mighty valley]

It’s easier mid-pull where you’ve been doing your rotation, you should have rage to slap a couple revenges on the stragglers

[sharp gale]

If you are close to no more rage, no shield slam and have to choose between thunderclap or revenge, you still revenge

Bc you keep the clap if the revenge doesn’t reset ss, to get another chance of SS reset + the rage to revenge again if tc didn’t reset SS

[sharp gale]

I instantly shield wall + charge the pack who got pulled and mass taunt

[heavy sparrow]

Sim

I sim higher with council's gil for some odd reason

[woven ice]

ah i usually try to shield slam or shield charge

i also don’t tank much and only usually for less than a 8 when i just want to speed run something

[sharp gale]

Yeah it’s just it is something to tackle real quick bc healer will have the aggro on those but pull packs, he will not be in melee 90% of the time and if he dies mmmmh

[odd comet]

Anyone know the best WA for the tome stacks

[sharp gale]

But in 8 it should be fine, just charge clap / mass taunt / shockwave, whatever to prevent someone getting meleed, the pack transforming into a 6 casters pack is a later issue

[woven ice]

just pull more melee mobs into the caster mobs for more aoe damage

if your not speed running you’re doing it wrong

[idle copper]

This is the one I use

https://wago.io/JfpsG2Qpd

It gives the icons and the word tome I think when you need to pop . It's easy to (adjust and) get it to say trinket as well

[odd comet]

nice

[heavy sparrow]

Disrupting shout or sudden death for ToP 13?