protection

[frail ibex]

or rogue

is wild to me

And

I get that they are in higher keys

but that doesnt mean they are like

in a great spot lol

Like this dungeon pool is cheeks if you are target capped

[chilly brook]

Idk I think fury is okay, phys cleave comps kinda fuck

Outlaw pumps

I’d actually say if you weren’t allowed to pick boomkin and unholy DK that phys cleave would be the next best comp

[frail ibex]

hmmm maybe

Both deffo need a nerf

The fact that a unh dk can do 16mil or more with bad procs is

gross

Like even on prot warrior I feel like

If the pulls are right

I would gap myself on fury

[proud cosmos]

I m the guy who makes Murlok.io. I was checking the rankings for Tank in M+ and there is DH 200 pt ahead of the pack. All the other tanks seem on par in terms of score.

[frail ibex]

Like last season but with pally

pally was 200 io ahead

[proud cosmos]

True

[frail ibex]

And maybe yall will disagree with me but

Either they really need to bring dh down or bring all the tanks up

[chilly brook]

Tbf I think a bit of it is self fulfilling prophecy

[frail ibex]

I pref the 2nd

[proud cosmos]

It is also okay for pally to do way better dps than other tanks for half of the season but nor for warrior 😦

[chilly brook]

I don’t think DH is actually 200io ahead in terms of tuning

But since it’s considered “the best” the most serious pushers are going to be on that

Therefor even if it’s only (and this is an arbitrary number) 3% better than insert whatever tank it’s 10% ahead in score

[unborn island]

Likewise. Having to do own keys

[vernal crescent]

Can we macro another cd with avatar like dragons roar?

[remote anchor]

you can

but shouldnt

[vernal crescent]

do they not line up enough? I know avatar is twice the cd but feels like anger management gets it close to 45

ravager better?

[remote anchor]

avatar is also a defensive cooldown and you dont always wanna roar with it

if you want damage only you can just macro them ig

[onyx vessel]

Quite simply its dh's buff probably

[frail ibex]

I mean

it has god like synergy with balance druid

Just deny 90% of the dungeon from ever getting a cast off

I mean

you can do that without vdh and boomy

but

it goes from hard to very easy

[round pendant]

Target caps just need to be removed

[ionic nimbus]

They just should handle the speccs at the same way. Some got different softcaps, others got hardcaps etc. that makes balancing impossible. Idk why they choose this way..

[round pendant]

I mean, just let everyone cleave into infinity and just balance the encounters

just softcap everyone at like 8 targets

that's good enough imo

[graceful kite]

like every dungeon pool

target cap always sucks and always sucked since they reintroduced it in bfa

[frail ibex]

I've been saying this since forever

[strong forum]

Why do you think that caster comps are 90% of the meta specs

And always boomy

Cuz they are far far far less affected by the caps

[round pendant]

Crazy, I never see anyone advocating for target caps and it's still in the game

[strong forum]

Casters also generally come with strong offensive cds

Whereas melee dps are "always in cds"

So casters also in that regard are more suited for big pulls as they can remove said big pull more easily due to higher highs

Uhdk being the exception among melee due to being the most uncapped of the specs

With a strong set of cds 🙂

Usually mostly fit for mdi speed keys

Weird how that works huh

[toxic pewter]

Why they allow this

Is there some flip side weakness we not talking about or something

To these more uncapped specs

[strong forum]

The flip side weakness is that they suck in uncoordinated environments

Pug boomkins are absolutely horrendous

Abysmal performance

Same with mages

I'd rather take full melee comp over bamkin+mage

[toxic pewter]

Yes I can’t deny since I only pug I generally avoid certain specs ya

[strong forum]

Cuz they need to be actually good at their classes

To do what is expected of them

Melee dps can kinda just do w/e and do fine

[toxic pewter]

What tank is most uncapped or they all sort of the same

[strong forum]

Bear vdh and bdk

[toxic pewter]

Damn

Why they make our thunderous roar capped

[strong forum]

It's only the initial hit

Not the dot

Dots are uncapped

[toxic pewter]

Oh

True

[strong forum]

Thrash, sigil of flame, blood boil + plagues, immo aura

Fel dev also uncapped

I guess our deep wounds is also uncapped

Rend has a theoretical cap as we apply/refresh 5 per cast

Rend doesn't have smart targeting

[toxic pewter]

Does bdk blood boil have a cap at all

[frail ibex]

Doesn't feel that way in 15+ maybe lower keys

[toxic pewter]

I guess you just said it doesn’t right

[strong forum]

Blood boil is uncapped from my understanding ye

[toxic pewter]

Should let clap apply 8 rends and make clap aoe larger by default

[strong forum]

Idk I've only seen 1 mage perform well, and it's a premade of mine

Every other mage I had lost to me as tank

Bamkin I've yet to see 1

[frail ibex]

Oh yeah mages are all ass but boomy and dk are 50/50

[strong forum]

Wait no ive had 1 boomy

That pumped

[toxic pewter]

I’ve seen some solid unholy dk but I guess it’s just sort of naturally easier for melee perhaps

[frail ibex]

I will not invite any mage that is arcane in que right now

[strong forum]

I wouldn't any mage at all

Unless they have 90+ myth logs

[frail ibex]

Yeah thats fair

[strong forum]

Rather get me an enha

My skyfury

My beloved

Shit is like 150k+ dps for me alone

[toxic pewter]

Skyfury such an awesome buff lol glad they added that

Do dk people still complain they don’t have a buff

Is it actually warranted maybe give them a haste raid buff or something

[strong forum]

Do not give anyone a haste raid buff

[toxic pewter]

Lol fair enough

[strong forum]

Haste is the most volatile stat in the game

[toxic pewter]

Yeah that would be unwise

[frail ibex]

Unless they added it to shout :))))))

5% haste and attack power

Not broken at all

[coral sonnet]

Hey guys what the defensive rotation for CDs on first boss floodgates? I’m doing spell block > SW > SW but eventually run out of steam

[slender bison]

Spell Reflect always for 25% MDR and IP when SW is down. The rest is healer's job, especially on high keys

Priest Suppression, Monk Cocoon etc

Flood 13-14 Electrocrush has 14 Mil nature damage

But the dot is actually killing you

[mortal cypress]

whats MDR

[slender bison]

Magic Damage Reduction

[mortal cypress]

oh lol ofc

[slender bison]

Few PUG healers know that Electrocrush is the giga tank buster this season. They learned the hard way last season at EDNA in Stonevault

[toxic pewter]

Why rallying cry still suck so much ass

What they did to this ability post shadowlands may go down as the biggest spit in the face to any class in the game

[jagged pier]

Because bliz know they cant change warrior stuff because then ppl will roit

Because warrior was good in classic, it cant be ever again

[toxic pewter]

Yep

It’s actually wild that is literally the situation

[small steeple]

fuck even an ele is good rn

lowish st but meh

[strong forum]

ye but nah

[mortal cypress]

"oh no we are all dying, i better press rallying cry!"
we all die anyway

[edgy prairie]

so dumb question is mountain thane viable? or is colossus the move in 100% of situations regardless?

[graceful kite]

all shaman specs are good

skyfury is a great buff

[small steeple]

So good

[edgy prairie]

I'm pretty dogshit at the game in general, so sorry for the dumb question lol

[graceful kite]

colossus has a lot more damage

you can play thane no problem tho

[small steeple]

MT is viable, just does a signficant amount less damage

[graceful kite]

people are trying thane in 17s now

[edgy prairie]

im assuming it doesnt sacrifice equal value of defense for the same offense it brings or else it wouldnt be taken right

[graceful kite]

if you want cool parses on wcl play colossus, if you just want to play whatever you like play whatever you like

playing thane isnt griefing, its just suboptimal in dps

[edgy prairie]

yeah im only like 637 nowhere near that level

[small steeple]

play col if you want to parse like this. Otherwise no real reason outside of damage and playstyle

[cerulean tusk]

not all 99? Yikers, not for me. I going Thane for all 100 for spec

[small steeple]

lol

[slender bison]

Thane is fun and Colossus is clunky for average subs. Both will finish with 3k easily this season and move on with their lives

The Colossus Vs Thane topic just keeps alive streams and channels until Devs add more content

Then we'll have Seat of Triumvirate Vs Shrine of the Storms giga pull discussions

[small steeple]

Imagine if both of those are in m+ next season. So much dooming until they fix them

[slender bison]

It's void patch. So Mana Tombs also

[toxic pewter]

I find colossus more fun personally don’t find it clunky

[slender bison]

Because you're not average sub

[small steeple]

^ this. I enjoy the more methodical playstyle. Might be my years of bdk main coming through though

[toxic pewter]

What that even mean average sub

[slender bison]

Most people on this channel are sweat lords. Average prot guy with $15 wants to smash, and Thane fulfills the dopamine hit until 3.2k

[small steeple]

Average guy isn't going to do above 10s

[toxic pewter]

Average guy is like level 37

They don’t even know what a hero spec is

[slender bison]

Colossus became a thing this season because they buffed Arms a little. Otherwise we would be Thane last 4 seasons

[graceful kite]

thane got significant nerfs too

as did wall cdr

[slender bison]

More like IP "rework"

[graceful kite]

nerfing rage generation isnt ip rework

[slender bison]

Do you feel worse than in S1?

I find Thane more fluid and Colossus clunky if you don't put your technical hat on

[small steeple]

I feel better, but I also prefer Col even in S1

[slender bison]

My only issue is that at 13/14s you get a garbage bin unless VDHs are offline to the mall food court or it's 7AM

And BDKs are asleep

[slender bison]

No idea who played Colossus in S1. Prob a hipster gang downtown I probably never heard of

[small steeple]

I know Nome played a lot of Col in S1, you didn't run it for pushing keys, but for farm keys in teh 10-12 range? Hell yeah I ran it. Not like I did any higher last season though

[slender bison]

But at least this season we have two performing specs to talk about. Which is good, means they work on it

Next expac we might hopefully get talent tree rework/utility

[small steeple]

Please lets be reasonable, we'll be nerfed at start of next s1 and won't be good for 8 months

[slender bison]

I think there's a critical mass of players for the past 2 years talking about either moving BLs to tanks baseline or for us giving some utility or more DPS and more squishy status

Waiting on the numbers from Brewmasters buff this week

I think we'll go lower

[small steeple]

Everyone knows that Fury Warrior is really a healer spec, its healing is just bugged to only effect itself

[slender bison]

True that

[slender bison]

Average Joe today with a 14 key will get a prot warr only if he's in a hurry and it's 7AM and needs to leave to work soon

[small steeple]

and then shout at you until you stand back up 🙂‍↕️

[slender bison]

Get-the-fuck-up Shout - All allies in a 30yds radius get to fight and die at the same boss mechanic again. Cooldown is reset if one of your allies dies again

I want this utility, instant re-sub

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/full-metal-jacket-gunnery-point-soldier-officer-gif-18129368714491295608

[fading tide]

What does thane do that colossus can’t? I’m new to tanking and only been colossus so far

[small steeple]

Arguably nothing. They can both do all content

But if you mean playstyle wise? It hits Thunderclap on cd

[slender bison]

Thane generates more rage, which allows you to spam your rotation more freely and TC spam at a cost of damage

[small steeple]

and spams ignore pain

[slender bison]

Actually you should try it in some high keys and come back with feedback

Experiment, else we're all slaves to wowhead guides

[small steeple]

YoDa does that then we all call him stupid... /j

[slender bison]

Anyways I'm running my Legion disc priest now and I don't care about rage management anymore

[strong forum]

consooom, never experiment or try out only blindly follow

[cerulean tusk]

Or just experiment, and then bring your findings here, and we can laugh at the YouTubers together as they say things like "Warrior is F tier tanks, low damage"

[small steeple]

I sense a Petko/yoda/dorki call out...

[cerulean tusk]

Oouah! I am appalled by your insinuation that I am attacking others character! Shocked! Shocked, I say! Shocked and appalled!

[fading tide]

Does anyone run both roar and spear?

[cerulean tusk]

Probably someone out there

[strong forum]

some people do, its objectively not optimal for dps

maybe its just a comfort, enjoyment, spear rooting? roar threat? thing

technically speaking spear+both nodes is most dmg
roar + both nodes is most effective and consistent threat without losing dps

spear + roar is just worse than 1 or the other with both nodes

[dusk crag]

Guys wanted to try get some advice on crafts. Mostly aiming to do keys as Prot. I have 4 sparks available, am I just sending wep/shield as first 2? Even if I have gallywix hc shield?

[strong forum]

yea

id send ring neck weapon shield

to have prime slots immediately on good ilvl without needing to burn yourself out trying to get "good" ring/neck

[dusk crag]

I have:
Neck is Crit/Vers/Leech
Ring is Haste/Vers/Leech, is it worth keeping them longer or still craft over?

[strong forum]

neck no, ring you want to pick up cyres circlet takes like 10 min

[dusk crag]

yer will replace the crit/mastery one

[strong forum]

ye

[dusk crag]

thought worth holding onto this and crafting belt as 3rd craft

and idk, cape as last?

or neck better than cape

generally

[strong forum]

not a fan of having suboptimal stats on jewelry

up to you if you wanna lock yourself into cinderbrew prison/get lucky from rik

you got enough spare sparks to make that decision

[dusk crag]

i thought to a point vers was a worthwhile stat to have?

or is it just pure always crit/haste

[strong forum]

more the haste

than the crit itself

but big crit is big dmg and a large amount of parry

and with the sheer size of pulls this season

parry is extremely valuable (it always is) for big pulls

[edgy prairie]

Is that a way to say it’s easier? Cause I’m an idiot, and ease of use is pretty imperative for me.

That said, knowing this, I should’ve just rolled a BM hunter or something.

Warrior seems fun and badass though.

[small steeple]

Difficulty is hard to judge and is always subjective, but with Mountain Thane, there is somewhat less to consider in how to use spenders. Its usually just spend on Ignore Pain, and save enough for Shield Block.
Col you need some more thought. Use IP if your going to over cap rage, otherwise use revenge and save enough for Shield Block. Just a different mind set

[edgy prairie]

Nice thanks

[fading tide]

I’ve tanked 4 plus 10s but have not timed. How do I know if I’m the reason or heals/dps is the reason?

[delicate wave]

logs or noone can say

[fading tide]

What should a dps avg overall at a plus 10?

[strong forum]

Depends on your group, ilvl and key

And hero talent

Anywhere from 2 to 3mil overall is alright I'd say?

Which is quite a large spectrum

[round pendant]

sounds right to me

[fading tide]

I’ve been grouping with dps doing under 1 mill overall and that seemed very low to me

[round pendant]

in 10s????

[fading tide]

Yea

[round pendant]

1m is like less than half my dps as a tank lmao

[fading tide]

Yea I tanked a plus 10 rook and I was second dps lol

[round pendant]

how are you even timing them with that low dps

[small steeple]

He's not

[round pendant]

oh you said you haven't

Yeah uh, just invite better people

if you're joining groups then it's just rng

Also check routes on keystone.guru or something and make sure you're not just single pulling everything

[graceful kite]

warcraftlogs parse addon

[unborn dragon]

If a DPS in my key is doing 1mil overall I'm just leaving lol

[round pendant]

valid

[fading tide]

Yea I just did a 10 top and fire mage did 900k overall

[small steeple]

Fuck I don't even see dps do 1m overall even in 7 keys. How the hell are you getting that in 10's???

[round pendant]

There's your mistake

playing with pug mages

mage and druid puggers never do any damage

[unborn dragon]

Hey now I main a mage and I do damage

900k on fire is diabolical haha

[round pendant]

You're a unicorn

[strong forum]

I literally did 2mil overall as 620 affli warlock

How the fuck

Do people do less

[unborn dragon]

Also a mage playing fire instead of arcane on ToP is insanity

[strong forum]

Yeah

[round pendant]

pug 610 shaman in +2 ToP did 1m overall last night

there's no excuse to do sub 1m lmao

[strong forum]

Okay well it's top

But sub 1mil is still special

[small steeple]

1m overall was bad last season

[round pendant]

I'm saying he's 610 and it's ToP and still managed to hit 1m overall

so a mage with actual this season ilvl doing <1m is.. something

[strong forum]

Even if you do well in top with 670 you do like only 2.5 - 3mil as dps

[small steeple]

Now its a sign of severe incompetence and lack of understanding

[unborn dragon]

I'm 666 and when I played arcane in ToP I did 2.9 mil

[strong forum]

Ye

[unborn dragon]

Kinda hard to get BIG overalls in there

[small steeple]

also, why arcane for ToP?

[round pendant]

omg

[strong forum]

Cuz more prio and St

[round pendant]

I feel like everyone just misunderstood my point

[strong forum]

Yep

[unborn dragon]

A lot of pulls with prio mobs. Arcane has crazy funnel so it nukes them down.

[small steeple]

yeah he was 610, so that just further illustrates the point

[strong forum]

1mil with 610 is perfectly fine

[small steeple]

Good honestly

[round pendant]

That's what I'm saying!!

[unborn dragon]

Nope yam is being toxic reported and sent to prison

[strong forum]

Yeah, you shoulda added "the fact that a 660+ mage did less" more quickly

[small steeple]

we didn't misunderstand you. We just ignored you. Big difference

[round pendant]

[strong forum]

Yeah fuck you

See the emote makes it non-toxic

[round pendant]

lmao

[unborn dragon]

Nope reported and also sent to prison

[small steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-serious-stare-gif-11979677

[small steeple]

to make this a less toxic community

[unborn dragon]

Go join altered time if you wanna see toxicity for real haha

Warrior disc is genuinely one of the better class discords

[strong forum]

Yeah dps cords tend to get personal for whatever reason

[fading tide]

Agreed monk is solid also. Shaman is a nightmare

[small steeple]

Altered time? Mage I assume

[unborn dragon]

Yeah

[round pendant]

only tankcord that sucks is paladin

[small steeple]

Rogue one seems chill from the bit I've checked out

[round pendant]

yeah rogue isn't bad

[strong forum]

I try to stay level headed most of the time but I do catch myself slipping every so odd time

[unborn dragon]

I'm IP banned from rogue disc and I have no idea why I've never even joined that server before

[strong forum]

I can ask whisp

[unborn dragon]

Do it

[round pendant]

I just wish Outlaw and Sub weren't so fuckin hard

[unborn dragon]

Sub ain't too bad just really punishes you if you mess up

[round pendant]

Yeah

[strong forum]

Whisp is checking

[unborn dragon]

Sick

Idk if I'm actually banned tbh but I could never join when I tried

Buddy said that discord bans can be wired though and if you share an IP with someone who IS banned you can get caught in that net

Weird*

[strong forum]

He says you ain't banned

[unborn dragon]

That's so weird then

[round pendant]

Ban him for wasting the mods time

[unborn dragon]

fuck not skyhold too

[strong forum]

https://discord.com/invite/ravenholdt

[fading tide]

Dude just wants attention

[strong forum]

Try dis

[unborn dragon]

Sorry on mobile but see?

If I'm not banned something isn't right

[solid sun]

Something isn’t right, that’s true

Flash banging everyone with your discord light mode!

[unborn dragon]

I always get shamed for light mode

[round pendant]

why does is say "this guild"

wtf is a guild on discord

[unborn dragon]

I have no idea

[solid sun]

Have you tried closing discord and reopening it

[round pendant]

oh he's not on wifi

someone using your data provider prob got ip banned

[graceful kite]

just restart your internet

[unborn dragon]

I'm at work I can't

Big sadge

[strong forum]

Restart at&t I agree

[solid sun]

It’s possible that your phone doesn’t have enough battery left to join a new discord

[round pendant]

lmao

[graceful kite]

cant you just tap on your mobile connection option and tap to turn it on again

[unborn dragon]

But yeah guess I'm not allowed to play rogue discord said so

[graceful kite]

and it switches your ip

if youre not subnet banned

[round pendant]

It'll prob be the entire range that's banned

[solid sun]

Not the subnet!

[unborn dragon]

Wym?

[round pendant]

but idk how cell towers assign ips

[unborn dragon]

Some random dude got banned so I got banned too?

[round pendant]

yeah you're on data so your IP has been shared with thousands of other people

this is why ip bans are fuckin stoopid

[solid sun]

Tbh I’ve never heard of this before

I am being learned up

[unborn dragon]

Well that's lame

[round pendant]

just disable and re-enable data and see if you get a new ip

[small steeple]

The guild part is what makes me question if it is an ip ban at all

[solid sun]

Does their ip change as they move to areas covered by different cell towers?

[round pendant]

yes

[unborn dragon]

Idk what else it could be if the mods there themselves said I shouldn't be banned on their end

[solid sun]

Okay so quit your job and go work somewhere else so you can join the rogue discy?

[unborn dragon]

🤷‍♂️

Guess no rogue discord for me

Tried to reset my data and tried work wifi

[round pendant]

alas

skill issue

[small steeple]

@strong forum ?

[solid sun]

Rogue discord may have to unban everyone

I highly doubt any issues would arise :)

[unborn dragon]

Unban everyone in the central US

[strong forum]

He isn't banned on this disc account, so yeh.

Not much I can go after

[unborn dragon]

Google said if you use the same IP as a banned person it bans you as well so that's literally the only thing I can think of

[pallid quiver]

clearly you were shot for using light mode. Serve your sentence smh

[unborn dragon]

U right

[pulsar locust]

Howdy warrior enjoyers

I see everyone out there takes spell block for m+ and I can't for the life of me figure out what that's for.

I get it for Motherload and that's about it.

[steady mason]

Don’t phones use static ipv6 addresses?

[pulsar locust]

What are yall pressing spell block on? I don't think there's many mobs that strict cast bolts on tank or do magic damage that I need it for.

[unborn dragon]

Wormy purple dudes in the hallway in DFC

[pulsar locust]

Oh, that dot

[unborn dragon]

Their attacks count as spells you can even spell reflect them

[mighty valley]

Check the spreadsheet in pins, there’s stuff in every dungeon

And your other options on that level are miniscule dps increases

[pulsar locust]

I been liking Bolster.

Bolster habit hard to shake since shadowlands

[mighty valley]

We get 100% block uptime pretty easily without bolster

[round pendant]

not necessarily and that has nothing to do with the wan address

[solid sun]

Saw a twitter post with guardian druid, MW, some flavor of warrior and rogue and hunter. Called it the "phys god comp"

Wouldn't they really be aided by having a shaman?

[pulsar locust]

I should actually try playing without it.

are we 100% uptime on it even without that talent that extendos the shield block when you slam?

I been taking Into the Fray

[mighty valley]

Yeah if your haste is decent and you have 4set

[round pendant]

Bolster is an absolutely dead talent

[steady mason]

Right I guess I misunderstood…. Good old CGNAT

[small steeple]

i only use it in a few raid fights where i don't need spell block, so I can get more revenge/executes out

[round cliff]

big brain actually

[frozen berry]

Is the priory timer just super tight or do I have dogwater dps? I’m doing 2.5 mil on average and they’re sitting at 3 mil-3.2

Missing timer by 1-2 mins

[steady mason]

That should be more than enough for 12-13

[frozen berry]

This is 13

[rigid yew]

Are you pulling big?
It's a pretty tight timer imo
Super easy to brick
Million casts to kick
Every boss is rough
Healer constantly checked

[mighty valley]

are you seeing random deaths? those still hurt timer pretty bad

[frozen berry]

Yeah random deaths happen, maybe 4 or so per run

[small goblet]

Did something happen to threat? or is it because I was playing with a Ret Pally and an Arcane mage? I never had any issues holding threat, but yesterday when playing with these 2 classes it was insane. I would open up with everything and mid pull some mobs would lose aggro

[frozen berry]

But I’m doing the first big 3 pack + mini, then 2 packs with leap bleed boss etc, just seems like there’s always one or two dps just not doing much damage. The cathedral pulls are hard to pull too big if you get 3 paladin rolls back to back it just wipes the group. Puts a lot on the healer to perform

[small goblet]

I just did Priory 13 yesterday, my tip is to pull big + lust after 1st boss (entire room with 5 paladins), and then you go to one pack (2pally 1 priest 1 mage) and focus the casters always

Divine Toll doesnt kill you because the healer has time to top and all dps have defensives, what kills you is a cast + Divine toll

if you guarantee that no casts go through this pull is very very easy

[unborn island]

Yeah, this is the issue 🙂

I typically do the middle + 1 side, but also depends on how my defs are looking post first boss

[small goblet]

the first 4 packs after the 1st boss only have 2 casters, just focus them down first and it's fine

Then I do just the pack on the left, and once the 2 casters die, I chain to the pack other pack (1 paladin, 1 templar, 1 mage 1 priest)

[unborn island]

You must be a lot luckier with pugs than me, because I don't think I have ever had a pug that would pull that off 🙂

I bet it would be fun though

If you're running with a premade I don't doubt it's the right way to do it though

[frozen berry]

Yeah after first boss defensives are definitely lacking

[strong forum]

50% of rookery dmg intake is magic, cinderbrew entire bee wing is magic, darkflame cleft entire trash + boss has a lot of magic dmg + worms, priory 1st boss, 2nd boss + trash, 3rd boss trash + miniboss

top first boss, ghost boss, last boss

floodgate first boss + the trash mobs before last boss

what else

motherlode basically all trash has magic hits + 3rd and 4th boss

[small steeple]

Yes

[warm plinth]

You're magic

Gottem

[strong forum]

what else am i missing

[small steeple]

Priory

[strong forum]

priory is in there

i think i named pretty much most of it

[elfin ginkgo]

Did you remember priory

[small steeple]

priory isn't

I see no priory

oh wait i see it

I is dum

zug zug

[strong forum]

prior messages previously prioritised indeed include priory

[forest sluice]

I press shield block

I for sure know what I’m doing

[strong forum]

already know more than most pug tanks

(the bar is really low)

[elfin ginkgo]

I don't press ignore pain

Basically a pro

[ionic nimbus]

Seeing guardians soaking 5 stacks of 2nd boss priory solo makes me feel bad for playing warrior

[small steeple]

Assuming Incarn is up, guardian is basically immortal

[forest sluice]

I respect bears they’re usually chill guys

I haven’t run into many bad bear players for whatever reason

[frosty mango]

Hard to be bad at bear

Only four buttons

[ionic nimbus]

Yeah druid is really the best Specc for beginners as tank

I mean pwar isnt rocket science, but guardian feels much easier

[small steeple]

idk most bears I've seen are pretty bad

[ionic nimbus]

Maybe it’s the players that are attracted by guardian kekw

Atm wanna prep a 2nd tank as alt, assuming that vdh will get rect maybe prepping a bear for the lulz

[small steeple]

Make a brew

[ionic nimbus]

You can hunt to Valhalla and back before playing monk

They are throwing beer kegs…

Dafuq

[small steeple]

For a second I thought you were @lusty grotto (nimchip) lol

[ionic nimbus]

You r not the first one assuming this

[small steeple]

lol

You ever heard of the game of Nim?

[ionic nimbus]

Nope

[small steeple]

Fun little deterministic game where you can always win if you go first

Or second, depending on rules and setup

[ionic nimbus]

In tbc i started my 2nd warrior and had no name ready, wo i took a lord of the rings mal and picked nimrais from it kekw.. with time nimrais became nim

[tribal wharf]

i feel like monk tank is probably really satisfying to play if you have a good healer

its not for me, stagger is nice, until is not

[frosty mango]

Yes brew is so satisfying

That’s why everyone is playing it

All four of the people who still do

[tribal wharf]

too many buttons is my complaint, like druid and paladin and i guess priest

[rich ember]

Hey guys.... as mountain thane, would it not be better defensively in M+ to use Immovable Object over Unstoppable force? For the extra shield wall during tank busters if you do not have a shield wall cast ready?

[ionic nimbus]

Paladin tank is satisfying af.. you can handle a lot of things alone and be really supportive for the group, but I don’t like templar so this time no Pala alt

[covert helm]

MT generates a lot more value from thunder claps

So if you want Immovable you kinda just have to play Colo

[ionic nimbus]

Declining 50% thunderburst dmg is not the way to compensate dmg loss of picking MT over col

[rich ember]

Understood, thanks for the input. Next question... again as mountain thane, does the mixture of Gathering Clouds (30% more lightning strikes) and Burst of Power make the talent Impenetrable Wall (6sec CDR on shield wall) more valuable?

[ionic nimbus]

I am playing double shield wall when I am playing MT

[rich ember]

I'm not dying to a lack of defensives or anything, I just find the whole lightning strike thing really cool

[ionic nimbus]

SS procc rate is lower than in season 1 and I guess IW got us rage in season 1 aswell, which makes it weaker this season

[rich ember]

It would pick up speed in multitarget situations due to Flashing Strikes, right?

hm yeah i just fully reset my shield wall in 37 sec on 5 target dummies

[forest sluice]

I play colossus cuz demolish go brr

[ionic nimbus]

Demolish is nice dmg on prio targets

[mighty valley]

You’re basically picking between more total shield walls across a dungeon vs. a more flexible shield wall that you can use back to back if needed

Imp Wall used to have more benefits in s1 but overall I think aegis will be more effective in basically all dungeons this season

Since you can waste some cdr on imp wall by holding it for when it’s actually needed

[mild river]

A question: for example, 3 targets and i have enough rage and a shield proc, should i revenge or shield slam? do we have like a number of targets for when revenge does more damage than a non-outburst shield slam?

[fading tide]

My understanding is shield slam is most important over everything else

[mild river]

even with full rage?

[warm plinth]

If you had full rage you would press IP and shield slam

There surely is a number of targets for Revenge to do more damage than SS but SS is also rage generation, which equates to more Revenges in the long term.

[mild river]

so my question is "what is that magical number"?

[unborn island]

'it depends' and presumably varies with stacks of colossal might too

[warm plinth]

There isn't one. There are multiple variables that could impact it. How many colossal might stacks do you have? How many brace stacks do you have?

[strong forum]

the magical number is 3

if you count raw dmg

and nothing else

[lavish rivet]

Do we have a target haste rating (for SB uptime) this tier, or does 4 set remove the need to push into excessive amounts of haste?

Coming back to Prot after a hiatus.

[strong forum]

15-16k is minimum to run ITF with 4pc

more is recommended

[lavish rivet]

I imagine there's some nuance between Thane vs Colossus considering the rage gen profile is vastly different. Just didn't know if we were needing to pushing into haste DR or anything.

[lavish rivet]

Preciate the input, Nomer!

[grand sequoia]

Hey, how is the Mugzee fist wep for prot damage wise?

[slender bison]

If Indomitable procs and you're at max hp, does it overheal?

I find it weird that some tanks get healed for 5% and others for 20%

[ionic nimbus]

Indomitable is bad, don’t play it

[slender bison]

Like Details at end of dungeon

I don't, I've been healing and checking prot tanks end of dungeon

[lusty grotto]

slightly better in ST than other weapons, but not as good in AOE. It's not a heavily sought out weapon for us, grab it solely for sprocket parsing if anything

[hallow smelt]

What are you guys doing to generate quick threat on big pulls. I know the right answer is for DPS to hold some but it won’t always happen. Is it like charge / SS/ TC / revenge? I find myself wanting to spend rage on IP / SB but then I sometimes struggle to have enough rage to get the aggro I need

[lusty grotto]

TR

are you colossus?

if so, Troar, talent crackling

are you thane? avatar send TBs

as for the latter part, it seems you already know the answer to that

if youre doing all of what i mentioned, and your weapon is high ilvl (crafted and/or myth), the statement "it won't always happen" should be the least of your worries, they dont hold, they die, that's not your problem

specifically referring to any dps that pops cds on a single pack before the pull is done

[elfin pivot]

Since this is my first time gearing a tank, is the priority with crafted items on new characters the same like dps? as in weapon and then the embellishment slots?

this is how my gear looks rn

[lucid mica]

Do you have a section of abbreviations? idk what's TB or TR 😦 tr I thought it was thundering roar but after I saw troar so 🥺

[drifting hull]

Shield is top priority for prot, because so much of our defensiveness comes from blocks, which scale off shield values.

[elfin pivot]

:noted:

[drifting hull]

TB = Thunder Blast
TR = Troar = Thunderous Roar, AFAIK

[lucid mica]

Thunder blast being empowered thunder clap no?

[drifting hull]

Yep, only on Mountain Thane

[lucid mica]

Cool thank you 🙂

[sick sentinel]

is this trinket decent for col?

[idle copper]

Wowhead has it at the bottom of the pile

[lusty grotto]

tb = thunder blast
TR/Troar = thunderous roar

[sick sentinel]

poop. maybe i should have skipped it then. ty.

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets heres a link for reference

[sick sentinel]

oh hm, its b tier. not that bad?

hm

[idle copper]

Sorry getting my roles mixed up, it's B toer for prot

It's bottom for fury sorry

[sick sentinel]

ah.

phew. at least i didnt mess up too bad. kinda bad, but i had no other good options

stupid repeats on every other slot lol

ty

[mild river]

Do we have a full max dps build for m+? Can someone link one for me?

[lusty grotto]

the default one

in wowhead

and swap Troar for Spear

thats it

for keys at least

thats the highest dps build

[mild river]

Thanks

[lusty grotto]

for raid, an execute build

colossus execute or w/e its called

both colossus, of course

@mild river also swap indom for battering

here you go:

CkEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAoxAAAAwMzMmZmBzyMLzMzstYGjZaMLjZYsMwwyMzYGzYYAAAAAAgZAAsstBAsZGDLkBmhFawC

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAPAVVBRFQgYVIoUFQBANVUVFRERFVZUVQDRQAEFVVUBQ

thats the best talents you can get for max dps in keys

sacrificing gathering/pull help talents like Troar for spear

and crackling

and disrupting, if you use that

[mild river]

Thanks! I'm gonna run some keys tomorrow and see how much I can achieve with it

[fading tide]

How much difference is a 10 compared to a 11 compared to a 12?

[elfin pivot]

how much uptime on Ignore Pain and Shield block should i aim for in the average key? currently hovering between 80-85% on SB and 60-70% on IP i feel like im using revenge a bit too much

[jagged pier]

Uptime isnt really something we care about we like blocked hits, which u can only see on logs

[elfin pivot]

[pallid quiver]

Also, IP uptime isn't a meaningful metric, as it depends on damage profiles

[elfin pivot]

specs really fun, but the last 2 bosses on ML 10 scare me with their hits

[lusty grotto]

use spell block for rixxa

use reflect for last boss

use reflect in general for the DR

check out the pinned blockable/reflect sheet and you'll have your answers as to how to manage them, they arent so difficult

[elfin pivot]

i did, i mean it worked out since i didnt die but its scary seeing chunks of my health poofing away all few seconds, feels like im doing somethign wrong

probably just need to get used to seeing a bigger part of my health drop and not panic because it happens. since i never tanked before its a bit weird 😄

[lusty grotto]

as long as youre not saving walls for the next dungeon

just dont overlap walls with spell block on rixxa

[elfin pivot]

used it 29 times in my ml 10

[elfin pivot]

🫡

[strong forum]

8% iirc

[molten rivet]

Life of a PuG tank:

[opaque snow]

too bad they don't show stuns/stops/knock ups/etc

[pallid quiver]

Logs show those

[opaque snow]

a lot of players are basic

[lusty grotto]

you could have just said "stops"

[molten rivet]

I'm slacking on Stormbolt :S

[frosty mango]

This always gonna be skewed to you bc details counts every taunt application from disrupt and every shockwave regardless of efficacy

[lusty grotto]

eh

its probably a low key so it tends to happen

akin to linking LFR parses really

🤷‍♂️

optimizing in low keys is like swimming against the current

or like trying to get reddit to stop looking at IP uptime on prot warriors and instead look at SB

[fading tide]

whats the deal with the second boss of priory? seems like alot of dmg going on

[lusty grotto]

if people are panic soaking sure

otherwise it shouldnt

[fading tide]

when do u run into the circle? after he cast shield?

[lusty grotto]

yes after shield baits

theres more than enough time to space soaks out too

[opaque snow]

yeah, lots of people just beeline right for the soak and basically gib the group

[lusty grotto]

DKs are notorious for it since they can AMS all soaks

[round pendant]

My UI is too perfect

I can't fiddle with it anymore

[lusty grotto]

i need to make a macro for "can you guys help me out by switching to tank loot spec?"

[round pendant]

I've done dozens of keys on my rogue

and am still stuck with s1 legs

[frosty mango]

My monk has run 40 cinderbrew

And has no neck

I am cursed

[round pendant]

just craft a neck

[frosty mango]

I feel your pain

[frosty mango]

No it’s principal at this point

[lusty grotto]

45 priories total

44 with hero loot

[raw parcel]

So are we getting dinar after all?

[lucid mica]

Is it normal to have downtime as colossus? Had a couple times now in a dungeon where i had no fury and no shield slam or thunder clap

[opaque snow]

are you using it on a lot of IP?

[lucid mica]

Most likely yes

Can send a log if it is fast to see, i dont want to lose ppl time with a +3 log hahaha

[mighty valley]

You wanna avoid spending so much rage on IP that you can’t keep pressing buttons every gcd

You don’t really need to focus on IP uptime

[opaque snow]

focus more on keeping SB active, revenge to proc shield slam, demo shout for more rage, etc

[lucid mica]

Ive been sleeping on shield block so much i think, 30% uptime seems bad, i can focus less IP and more SB yes

[opaque snow]

yeah my last two runs with some downtime between pulls put me at 84 and 88% uptime on SB

do you have a weak aura that is tracking any of that?

[lucid mica]

Yes luxthos but i have a hard time noticing shield block in there idk, it will come naturally with more time playing

[opaque snow]

not sure how that one presents it but I like the timer on this WA

[lucid mica]

This one shows it with a number like this, i dont really like it, i like more a progress bar like yours

[opaque snow]

that is senses pack I believe

[mighty valley]

Shield Block is your highest priority to keep up

[lucid mica]

Oh you meant the progress bars?

[opaque snow]

yeah my image

[lucid mica]

Aight ill think more about ir and less about ip bc im super focusing ip

[mighty valley]

IP is mostly just where you put extra rage you can’t spend on revenge

[round pendant]

I don't like Luxthos packs

I feel like those packs by people who make packs for every class ever

are just never actually that practical

[lucid mica]

Im now trying nomeratur one

[round pendant]

It's good

but I think he also just uses an icon for shield block

I have my charges in 2 tiny bars on the left

and a bar for the duration

[tribal wharf]

i think if possible with the new buff tracker thingy they should allow for sharing of "profifles" of those

where its like, its just like, empty, once you get it, and then you fill it with the ones you want, or like, half a dozen pre-sets by blziz

maybe if you are the same class, you can share one with buffs already on it

dunno if wow, but planning for upgrade cpu massively some time next 90 days

something like +30 +50 avg fps

[opaque snow]

9800X3D or 9950X3D is about the only upgrade I'd do right now

I'm on a 12700k with DDR4 at the moment

[small steeple]

not sure if it helps much but this is How i have my luxthos bars set up,

luxthos does have a progress bar too

you might need to enable it in the resources section

[mortal cypress]

Luxthos is modular and super customisable. He has YouTube videos on it

[round cliff]

blessed luxhos bars user

but where u have some things is ick

[small steeple]

like which ones?

[round cliff]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1357601684490162246/image.png?ex=68053bd8&is=6803ea58&hm=83fb43091d4813f13baf12d302c8dc3b486ac16ac863334e9af5d94d9f874e5f&

defensive goes on the LEFT

right is for ur cc

[small steeple]

So Left for me is keybinds left of my wasd, so q, and right is e and r

[round cliff]

my health bar is to the left so stuff that affects it goes left

[small steeple]

although I didn't realize it could double stack on the sides

[round cliff]

enemy health bar is to the right so enemy affecting stuff goes right

[small steeple]

makes sense too, but this is how orginally got it from how I first custimized my bars

[lucid mica]

Ty both ill take a look tomorrow!

Did a rookery 6 that went mostly fine but with some aggro problems, if someone can take a look whenever itll be amazing, not focusing so much about aggro but for a general perspective, ive never played prot and i might be doing stupid things

[tribal wharf]

ya, thats what i went for 9800x3d gotta work out mobo ram maybe psu

[round pendant]

guy with the worst imaginable mindset making this video

lmao

[rain light]

every time I open his stream hes just being toxic

[small steeple]

not super familiar with him, whats bad about his mindset?

[tribal wharf]

is that the "asmongold is crazy bc take on arthas purge"?

guy

thats who he reminds me of when i see him and hear him

[solid sun]

What's his mindset? Is he a pretty mean dude

[round pendant]

dunning kruger

he's awful

but to him, everyone else is the problem

[solid sun]

lol

[round pendant]

Man has/had a spreadsheet of every run he ever ran

and had like an 85% brick rate

[jagged quail]

lmao

[jagged gust]

I've never ran with a streamer who didn't suck turd tbh

[round pendant]

and the name of the person responsible

to be fair he did say it was his fault a few times

[small steeple]

I've mostly just watched him to laugh at the dumb shit people send him to review. Never actually seen any of his gameplay

[tribal wharf]

the guy says the paldain shouldnt bubble after being rezzed

and i think what that is is he has the taunt everything talent

and hes fed up with "bad healer"

so he's "fuck it, imma bubble instead of taunt cuz healer wont heal me and i will die"

thats how i would be viewing it most likely

[jagged gust]

Is he ppal?

[solid sun]

no he's a bdk p sure

[tribal wharf]

the guy making the video says hes squish

and you generally only say that about tanks

[solid sun]

I honestly have no idea what Yogi is on about rn

[tribal wharf]

im watchin the video you were saying

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2XxDxcrDK20

[round pendant]

yeah I mean obviously he's not aware of bubble taunt

[small steeple]

whos yogi

[round pendant]

doomguy is yogi

[solid sun]

Is oneazeroth saying that the prot paladin is fed up with a bad healer

I don't really wanna watch the video; just trying to parse the storytelling I'm receiving

[tribal wharf]

thats how i view what the tank is feeling

after watching it

if its not just a ret,

2 rets in a group wtf,

[jagged gust]

Like you even need a healer at that point lol

[round pendant]

the healer is kinda unaware

pretty mid/bad

[solid sun]

Would you say being mid is bad

Or avergae

Average*

[tribal wharf]

average

if something is dog shit i say its dog shit

[jagged gust]

Mid is literally middle, not bad, not outstanding, just kinda there

[tribal wharf]

more positive than negative in general, but no problem to call something that is bad bad

[round pendant]

mid is worse than bad

If you say something is mid

people get more offended than if you said it's bad

but in this case I meant average

[jagged gust]

That's cuz zoomers are sensitive to not being viewed as unique

If you're mid you're average, don't stand out

[tribal wharf]

some people use it as synonym for bad

[round pendant]

This video is just a bit weird tho

The players were all pretty bad

and the healer wasted like 1 minute in death time loss

I'd reset too

cba watching the rest

[tribal wharf]

i use all kind of words when reviewing something great good fantastic, average, bad etc

not just bad and good and okay

[lyric fern]

Metro is a pretty interesting person
He exclusively pugs all of his runs, and hardly runs his own keys
the reason his depletion rate is so high is because he pushes as high as he possibly can in pugs only
He timed a 13 week one of the season, as an example, its all in his spreadsheet

[tribal wharf]

does he have end goal with it

do 1000 runs send findings to blizzard something, i dont get it

the taking notes of everything

[solid sun]

It sounds like it's just content for him

[tribal wharf]

is what i cant grasp

[lyric fern]

Its content mostly, he documents everything so he can show people what he believes the general pug experience is like from season to season
and his spreadsheet lets him do a pretty detailed breakdown at the end of each season to compare various things, like how easy the season was, how high the key levels got, etc

He also posts videos reviewing people's runs, people send him videos of disaster runs or just runs where people are generally super toxic and stuff and he goes over them both as commentary and to have a good laugh

[tribal wharf]

cuz, i love any dungeon crawler type, like, inside the dungeon type ones, and wow dungeons is one of the best dungeon crawlers

not like, skyrim where you are outside, instead you are trapped in cave/prison, have to fight way out

[round pendant]

yogi

why are we talking about skyrim

you're wandering

come back to earth

[small steeple]

oblivion remaster was confirmed

[fading tide]

anyone droptheir cyrce circlet?

[tribal wharf]

return to wow? im not so sure

i just wish the multi player aspect of doing challeging dungeons, uh, felt better

[round pendant]

imo M+ 2-10 should be squished again

and keystones only apply at 11+ (and are all resilient if you've done them all at that level)

[tribal wharf]

either its, you are killing some obviously evil dude, or its just really well designed if its boring

[round pendant]

You should have M0, M1 (let's say M+4 diff), M2 (+7) and M3 (+10)

once you do all M3 you should get a keystone and then it's normal push stuff

that's my 2am ramble goodnight

[lusty grotto]

what'd i miss

[topaz hornet]

im having trouble with bank buzzbee. The over lap of the puddles and bees is hard I have trouble getting agro on the bees and getting the puddles to the edge of the room. How are you guys dealing with that fight

[lusty grotto]

focus on the puddle

taunt/leap/taunt bees

heroic throw etc

1 bee isnt gonna kill anyone

obligatory daily reminder: Heroic Leap resets taunt cd

[topaz hornet]

okay okay I am new to prot tbh and I didn't even know the heroic throw existed.

nice I didn't know that either.

[lusty grotto]

since forever, read its tooltip - General PSA

[lusty grotto]

sorry, let me clarify

get the bees locked down first

then move for puddles, you have more than enough time

just do it immediate

having puddles in the middle of the room isnt a big deal

my brain is backwards cause i just got out of our raid and i was tilted throughout

[topaz hornet]

Thank you

just need to get some reps in

[mighty valley]

heroic leap resetting taunt doesn’t come up that often but it’s sick for a fight like that where you don’t really need to leap for any other reason

[patent pebble]

Hi there apologies but I couldn't find anything on it in the FAQ comparison, is one hero tree better at generating / keeping threat than the other? Gonna be new to the spec and seen lots online about tanks having trouble keeping threat this season and as the faq says usability wise they're the same I thought id ask

[vernal crescent]

is there a rule of thumb or some kind of measure of how much uptime we should have on shield block and ignore pain in M+?

[lusty grotto]

it is done

[lusty grotto]

no, colossus just uses Troar to help gather since it doesnt have big claps

[lusty grotto]

as close as possible to 100% SB uptime

IP uptime is not a good metric

damage profiles differ etc, dont look at it

priory total runs: 46

priory hero total runs 45

but tome has finally been acquired

[small steeple]

woo!

[mighty valley]

you may rest, king

[mighty valley]

threat is just damage done, and colossus does more total damage, but mountain thane is better at immediate burst damage at the start of the pull

[lusty grotto]

[topaz hornet]

Does tome come from a prot vault or fury?

[lusty grotto]

prot

has to be tank loot spec

[topaz hornet]

thanks

[weary saddle]

really?

whoa

[warm plinth]

Nicely done!

[patent pebble]

Does whirlwind have any situation anywhere where it's worth using? Trying to set my bars up and didn't know whether to just leave it off

[jagged gust]

NOP

[waxen cradle]

The planets have aligned and all is right with the universe, Nimchip has received the TOME!!!!

[solid sun]

big uppies, heck yeah

[knotty mantle]

Is there a haste point with 4p where I can drop enduring defenses in M+? Assuming I keep heavy repercussions

[torn gulch]

I don't think you ever drop enduring defenses

is too powerful of a talent

[warm plinth]

I mean, theoretically you could drop enduring defenses instead of heavy repercussions but it would be silly to do so since then you could never swap to Into the Fray, which is easily the biggest DPS gain when swapping off after the haste req.

[heavy sparrow]

when is eye of kazan good for prot wars?

[weary saddle]

its not good for pwar except maybe in raid

[chilly brook]

?

if it's a longer than 5 minute fight it's basically BiS

And in M+ you can def keep stacks up in almost every dungeon bar 2

[remote anchor]

how does it work on stix so only 1 tank ever rolls? is the roll tank just taunting for the tankbusters?

[jagged pier]

yes

[frigid plume]

the ball tank taunts a few seconds before every demolish and keeps it until the sorting

[remote anchor]

okay so roll tank gets demolish the other meltdown

ty

[sharp gale]

In raid

[jagged pier]

for parsing

[sharp gale]

You can activate countdown in bw/dbm for the demolish, or taunt just after he does the spread

[round cliff]

now get it with leech

keep farming

[round cliff]

don't you just taunt after demolish??

[jagged pier]

no

cause then the tank will be tanking with 100% increased damage taken

and just die to meltdown

and if u mean swap tanks thats not how it works on mythic its easier to have like a bdk or grip tank constantly tank so they can grip adds

[sharp gale]

I did 1 reclear dk/pala and I was not constantly tank bc he didn’t wanted to do balls

[last jungle]

First boss in Flood turned me into potato mash at 20% with her tank buster.. how can i survive that?

Any ideas?

[round cliff]

oic

i thought demolish was just demolish dmg

xd

so the same tank just taunts before every demolish and balls?

[jagged pier]

ye

[round cliff]

sounds easy if u have accurate timers

[jagged pier]

u just taunt as the demo debuff falls off

u can if u want 3 tank which what we did, one to do balls, one to position boss and one to deal with adds

[round cliff]

our tanks are pwar ppal rn so it probably doesnt even fuckin matter

so who care

[jagged pier]

i mean paladin can also control adds by spamming shields out

[round cliff]

ig so yea

[jagged pier]

do u have a dps dk?

[round cliff]

ya

[jagged pier]

honestly

have him go blood

then u do balls

and pala tanks boss

it will make prog a joke

[round cliff]

you overestimate us

we're stuck on cauldron rn

no prog is a joke

i think our lowest pull is like 19%

[jagged pier]

dont matter where u are. it will make it easier

[last jungle]

shield reflect worked

[sharp gale]

BIG MOMMA

You need a good def cd rotation

And dps needs to kill the boss before it kills the group

[sand torrent]

Drop down your pants or show her feet pics.

Deff cooldown work too I think

[last jungle]

hahaha

well, a good mix of refelct and ignore pain did the trick and 20% was + shield wall

[sharp gale]

You spell reflect every tankbuster, it doesn’t count in the def rotation I mean, and ignore pain is not a def cd, i talk about spell block, shield wall, last stand, Gallywix trinket and bsv

[last jungle]

ah ❤️

[sharp gale]

You need to press one of them + spell reflect each tankbuster basically (you will maybe proc bsv if you last stand idk the boss dies before I have to last stand)

[elfin ginkgo]

What does spell reflect do here?

And if it reflexts the spell, why do you need a defensive

[sharp gale]

For the magic DR of spell reflect

[edgy prairie]

Is there an LFG channel

[unborn island]

Anyone got a WA which highlights when you've got an external on you?

Like obviously barrier/link are obvious, but idk how to tell for bark etc.

[sharp gale]

https://wago.io/4J8ChnHOM

[unborn island]

Nice, thanks!

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/yRF2jcq.png

[small steeple]

No option 5? Rigged

https://tenor.com/view/muppetwiki-muppet-wiki-muppet-muppets-statler-gif-17429387779501052163

[solid sun]

Is sin rogue trash now

I never see any sin rogues at all. Almost all outlaw and a few sub

[strong forum]

outlaw is less popular than sub

[sharp gale]

Sin is the most popular by far

In m+ 10-13 I do, i see only ass

[solid sun]

I think I've seen like 8 or so pirates and 1 or 2 sub

0 sin rogues

[round pendant]

Sin is prob the best outside of ToP

[solid sun]

I've been in the 10-12 range for a couple weeks now

[sharp gale]

It’s funny the only sub I saw was in my 12 ToP a week or two ago

[vital vale]

which one is the spec that yells at me for chain pulling without restealth

[round pendant]

I haven't seen a single outlaw this entire season

[sharp gale]

Ass

[round pendant]

Sin but if they're doing that they're just bad at the game

[vital vale]

yeah I figured

[solid sun]

Are they supposed to use vanish during chain pulls?

[sharp gale]

And he can restealth even if 1 mob is still alive and dies far, he solo just finish it, it puts him out of combat

Yes if you chain pull I hold vanish for it

[vital vale]

what's vanish cd

[round pendant]

2min

2 charges

[vital vale]

oh lol

free

[sharp gale]

It is enough to do a full dungeon without screaming stealth but it fucks some bosses if you don’t have it

[round pendant]

good thing we're basically dead weight on bosses

:)

doesn't fuckin matter if you get your vanish on bosses cause you're doing zdps regardless

(they should buff sin st)

[sharp gale]

Really ?

[round pendant]

yeah the st is awful

[sharp gale]

I only play my rogue for 1 key per week (a +10) so I’m only with bad players I can’t say if I’m awful

[round pendant]

I think it might be the worst st spec in the game

but idk

in m+ that is

idk about raid builds

[sharp gale]

I guess it is giga broken in raid, like pala ret, the spec is so easy /simple in ST build

[solid sun]

Seems like sin is middle of the pack to upper echelon on the boss fights I look at on warcraft logs

Just looking at like 95th percentile heroic bosses and skipping around

I feel like that means their raid build(s) do okay?

[round pendant]

in M+ and good gear you get like 1.6m ST max

it's cheeks

[solid sun]

That's def pretty poop

Have you tried the hybrid build that takes kingsbane?

[round pendant]

afaik it's less st dps

somehow

[solid sun]

Hahahahaha

"Here's this hybrid build so you can do more ST damage but also it does less ST damage"

[round pendant]

It's because of Zoldyck Recipe and Blindside

[sharp gale]

You don’t need to check specific bosses, you just check boss damage

[round pendant]

I wish the m+ stats worked properly

or had more features

I'd like to see average boss dps in specific key le vels for each spec

[solid sun]

Do you mean just looking at "all bosses" or are you going to a different page altogether

[sharp gale]

All bosses, boss damage

[solid sun]

Oh there's a "Damage to Bosses" thing in the drop down where it says "Damage"

I had no idea!

Is it best to use mythic or heroic? And is there a percentile that's best? Like 95th percentile for mythic raid seems like you'd only get the best players, and that could skew the numbers a little too much? idk I'm not a statistician I'm just a tradesman

I don't even work here

[round pendant]

95 percentile is prob the most accurate if you wanna compare specs/classes

but it's still skewed a little since the best players will just play the better specs

so the gap between the worse specs and best specs will be larger

[sharp gale]

I do 90 to have larger / I have the irrational feeling I don’t like only 95-100 data, never heroic logs except first weeks when no lot of mythic data

And after some time I don’t check the target dummy bosses

Like the first 4 in nerubar

To see if a boss is a target dummy I check if the prot war talents % is too much in zug zug build (juggernaut AND 35% execute)

[rigid kestrel]

How do i stay alive on the 1st boss of priory +16

Its just not tankable, the bleed i mean

[sharp gale]

I guess you need everything to be perfect on cd usage + dwarf / evoker can be really nice

[rigid kestrel]

Im about to re race dwarf just for this shit man

[small steeple]

If you ain't dwarf, you ain't prot

[sharp gale]

If I was in the key range it mattered (16+) I would re race dwarf

[rigid kestrel]

Ah...

[sharp gale]

Im in 13-14 for now

[rigid kestrel]

But i love my gnomish rebel

[sharp gale]

I am gnome

[small steeple]

ganome

[rigid kestrel]

Guess ill rerace

[sharp gale]

There is a lot you can dispel with dwarf, not a lot with gnome big sad especially when avatar dispel too

[rigid kestrel]

Idk ill just wait for the dinnar system to come back and see whats up with the items that ill be able to buy

[small steeple]

Try going right maybe? Not sure how that would turn out in high keys like that, but less tank damage going out with that miniboss instead

[rigid kestrel]

And if still struggling well...

A New dwarf will be born

[sharp gale]

It’s the boss who does the bleed not the mini boss

[small steeple]

Yeah but without the miniboss, there is just raw less tank damage, and 1 less tankbuster

[rigid kestrel]

No one goes right :p

[small steeple]

So easier to prepare

just a thought anyway

[rigid kestrel]

Blacksmith miniboss is awful

[sharp gale]

Ye I tried once the first week in 10, I already knew NO shot you go right ever

[rigid kestrel]

And yeah bleed in +16 is straight up too much to tank

Few prot timed priory16

[sharp gale]

And boss lock a player + mini boss does puddle under him = -15 sec on timer

[rigid kestrel]

Ya

[sharp gale]

Only 18 prot have all 16s, so I would maybe focus on the other ones first

Or if you play with team, try to cook something, bc a dude did an 18 priory as prot war

[toxic gyro]

I started using roll system too. Everyone seems to like it in my group

[unborn island]

This is what I was gonna say, I think that boss is a pretty hard wall unless you're in a very good organised group and can dynamically call for externals etc

[sharp gale]

16s are the pug hard wall in the first place

[strong forum]

bigsmart to the rescue

[round pendant]

yeah the dice roll to pick a key is great

then the key goes to shit and your friend goes "yeah I knew we shouldn't have done that key"

[ebon lark]

Is there anything I can do as a tank to help healers not die in the magnet pull in on the last boss of mechagon? It seems to happen a lot.

[sharp gale]

You can rally and pray they are not in full casting autism mode -> getting pulled closer and closer to the thing

[ebon lark]

I just watched a guildie's perspective and it was just chunking them like 1/3 of their hp at a time even like 20-30 yards from it in a +5.