bombsuit is good at the correct level of difficulty, otherwise it's a crutch and you're throwing away a lot of damage to use it
#protection
frosty mango
Ritual mud is kind of like Shroëdingers trinket. It is both good and bad simultaneously. (Also sarcasm)
long bronze
I'd try to replace signet with a pacemaker
solid sun
I can feel the tension
trail ibex
I'd try to replace signet with a pacemaker
so not the broken mud trinket, got it! ( hehe )
long bronze
and when you feel you need it, you'll get more value from a champ bombsuit than a myth mud
frosty mango
Pacemaker/tome are the best options for the most part up until prob 15ish?
solid sun
Bigger ilvl number better person
frosty mango
I feel fairly safe in 14s but the 15s I’ve gone in on have been a little scary
Big momma on 15 did make me clench
long bronze
the only 15 I've tried so far was a rookery and my group shat the bed on the hallway trash
long bronze
solid sun
Can’t wait to get home from work and boost my mud since roid recommended it
solid sun
Oh I’ll do it
long bronze
be man enough to wear the mud
what scares me is one day
some guy is gonna post a vault with a tome or pacemaker and a mud as options
and I won't be here to talk him off the cliff
solid sun
What if bloodborne is their favorite game
long bronze
and they have to walk around with a mythic mud for the next 4 months
the mud will be on y'alls hands
solid sun
They’ll probably come in here with a log showing how they didn’t die to something
solid sun
And you’ll get even more furious because they’re attributing the living to mud and not something else that happened
cerulean tusk
and I won't be here to talk him off the cliff
cunning oriole
Which boss in LOU would be the best encounter to use each week to gauge tank performance?
frosty mango
Which boss in LOU would be the best encounter to use each week to gauge tank per...
All of them
They tank all of the bosses, don’t they?
cunning oriole
I'm thinking of tracking ten metrics on one boss each week to look for improved performance
mortal cypress
dont they have most to do on gally?
frosty mango
I'm thinking of tracking ten metrics on one boss each week to look for improved ...
I think a lot of the meta game will be more noticeable because most of the tank mechs are pass/fail but for raid your dps output is really the only quantifiable metric
Defensive use and taunts are quantifiable but I’m not sure they are really useful because if you don’t use them you either die or you don’t
Then there’s the more impactful but less quantitative meta gaming type stuff like boss positioning and mechanics execution (like bombs on gally)
You could probably infer things like boss positioning (am I tanking it in fire) by looking at dps uptime and looking for trends but I think vod review may be an easier path there
cunning oriole
I'm looking to replace wowanalyzer since it's not kept up for tanking. Here's what I'm looking at tracking from logs:
frosty mango
How do you measure the value of a metric like shield block uptime in the context of a boss fight
Does pressing shield block when nothing is hitting you instead of pressing revenge make you an objectively better player, or worse?
cunning oriole
If your SB uptime is only 50%, you have to get better at using SB?
mighty valley
Blocked hits does that already
cunning oriole
That's where blocked hit % comes in
frosty mango
Then why track shield block
sharp gale
If your SB uptime is only 50%, you have to get better at using SB?
Not in raid
cunning oriole
uptime vs blocked hits % can indicate it's not your SB that's the problem? idk
sharp gale
In raid you can have way lower uptime since you don’t always tank
frosty mango
Blocked hits is a good one, ignore pain efficiency would be another (was it used effectively)
Defensives vs tankbusters
I think what you’re doing could be very useful but in order to get true value you will need to intersect multiple datapoints to get a true picture
cunning oriole
In raid you can have way lower uptime since you don’t always tank
Yeah, I'm trying to figure that out, too. Rage starvation is a problem when you're not active tank
sharp gale
And on some bosses you can’t block so it doesn’t matter on them (rik)
wicked stirrup
Was actually just about to ask about shield block and ignore pain uptime
I'm trying to be bit better and I'd imagine we would want like close to 80%?
cunning oriole
that's why I was asking for the one boss that I should use for these metrics
frosty mango
Tracking ignore pain uptime is pointless because you are not establishing the efficiency of its use
wicked stirrup
Prior would use fury gear to just tank to get into keys but this seasons actually looking to build a set
sharp gale
Well i can say none of the first 5 in mythic
frosty mango
Pressing ignore pain does not make you objectively better, it would make you objectively worse because you are wasting rage
cunning oriole
Tracking ignore pain uptime is pointless because you are not establishing the ef...
So absorption is the better metric?
frosty mango
So absorption is the better metric?
Absorbed vs gained
If you gained 50m ignore pain absorb but only 10m was effective
cunning oriole
Absorbed vs gained
not sure where to find that
frosty mango
You are pressing it at the wrong time
frosty mango
not sure where to find that
You don’t, it would require analysis
mighty valley
but are you? you still want to press it with rage you're not gonna have time to spend anywhere else
frosty mango
but are you? you still want to press it with rage you're not gonna have time to ...
Yes but different metric to track
mighty valley
are you trying to build an automated tool? a lot of these things will be misleading without context
frosty mango
That’s why I said quantitative = // = valuable
cunning oriole
but are you? you still want to press it with rage you're not gonna have time to ...
I never have that problem, I just spam Revenge if I'm capping
mighty valley
even when you're going through all your offensive CDs?
sharp gale
You can’t spam revenge to dump your rage
frosty mango
Also how do you know your ignore pain would not otherwise have just been healed off via raid heals
sharp gale
If you ss on cd
cunning oriole
are you trying to build an automated tool? a lot of these things will be mislead...
Not automated, just a tracker spreadsheet that I can look at these metrics for one boss each week (say, Sprocket)
frosty mango
Tbh I think you could go an entire raid and never press ignore pain
And it would make zero difference
Not that you should, but I highly doubt anyone would even notice you didn’t
warm plinth
Well you'd be overcapping rage so your damage would suffer.
mighty valley
i think it's more practical to just check A) dps and B) is the tank dying at bad times, or are healers complaining that they're unusually difficult to heal
cunning oriole
Up until now, my metric for tanking well (enough) in H raid was a) don't die, and b) do as much DPS as possible. This is me trying to work on specific things I'm doing wrong...effective mitigation, uptime, etc
mighty valley
if yes, review the log, or send it over here
honestly, casts per minute is just about the best universal metric for how well you're doing
cunning oriole
if yes, review the log, or send it over here
lol well, I could, but I want to learn how to effectively use logs better myself. Instead of asking someone to do it for me
frosty mango
Well you'd be overcapping rage so your damage would suffer.
True but I just mean from a defensive value standpoint
warm plinth
It's not really useful to track ignore pain. You have to press it to play properly and you can't really waste it. You could potentially waste some of the absorb but that would have no impact on whether you'd press it or not.
frosty mango
Like the defensive value it offers is irrelevant in raid
warm plinth
Yeah that's probably true unless you're undergeared (assuming the encounter presents any challenge to tanks)
frosty mango
I don’t think healers would even notice you didn’t press it
cunning oriole
It's not really useful to track ignore pain. You have to press it to play prope...
From S1, I learned to spam IP constantly...we can't do that anymore; it has to be a more judicious use. You have to choose between IP and other rage spenders now. Right?
frosty mango
I main heal and our tank doesn’t even play d stance, half the time ignore pain isn’t up and honestly echo of light keeps him at 100% literally the entire fight if they don’t scuff taunts/busters
mighty valley
lol well, I could, but I want to learn how to effectively use logs better myself...
i guess when i look at a log i go through... blocked melee %, damage breakdown (are they prioritizing the right buttons), wasted rage, casts per minute and casts breakdown (usually a good indicator of prioritizing rage gen and always having buttons to press)
frosty mango
IMO all of your raid gameplay will eventually come back to enabling you to do more damage
So if you are consistently doing good damage and not dying
You are performing
mighty valley
From S1, I learned to spam IP constantly...we can't do that anymore; it has to b...
Not... quite... the rule of thumb is still roughly the same, you spend rage on IP that you wouldn't be able to spend anywhere else. Your threshold for when you spend it should just be higher than before, esp. on colossus
Maximize rage gen, make sure you can press a button every GCD, keep up shield block, use your CDs
that's kinda it
cunning oriole
Ah...I'm one of the stubborn ones, sticking with Thane due to playstyle and better defensive
frosty mango
Ah...I'm one of the stubborn ones, sticking with Thane due to playstyle and bett...
Thane does fine damage in raid
Especially the execute build
cunning oriole
Especially the execute build
That's what I'm using
and I'm doing 800k-ish on most bosses.
frosty mango
What’s your ilvl?
cunning oriole
but at 660, I know i should be doing more
frosty mango
You should def post logs, that’s considerably lower than where you should be
cunning oriole
which is why I'm trying to figure this out lol
long bronze
one day somebody will actually post logs when they have issues instead of just having us guess what they are doing wrong
....one day
cunning oriole
I just posted last nights prog on H OAB kill & Mugs pulls
long bronze
you did?
cunning oriole
I know that my dps rotation sucks because I am still relying on hekili...it helps allow me to focus on mechanics and mitigation by not having to think about my rotation quite as much
long bronze
well prot rotation is like 3 buttons
cunning oriole
long bronze
do you have the logs or no, like can you provide a link to them, right here, in this chat
ah ok
thanks
oh you're thane
mighty valley
This just looks like a classic case of not pressing buttons enough
Which kind of makes sense if you're feeling overwhelmed and using Hekili
I'd ditch the training wheels and try and just get comfortable with the basics on a training dummy for a bit
supple meadow
I just studied the rotation on wowhead
long bronze
Let me point you to something rather poignant Mahkarn
you're playing execute build, which means you need to captalize on that because your SS is nerfed
supple meadow
And then threw myself at mobs until I died or they did
cunning oriole
So, I pop execute when it's highlighted...you're saying I need to use it waaaaay more liberally?
long bronze
on a bad day you should have at least twice as many casts of execute as you do
you're running the execute build and don't want to hit execute as much as possible?
you see how that doesn't make much sense right
if I was you
I would run punish
it's not far behind with realistic RNG
cunning oriole
lol no, I'll use it. I just thought I needed to wait until it procced or I was hurting my SS & Rev casts
ebon lark
I love Archon AKA providing information that is incorrect/not possible.
long bronze
you prio SS if you're not going to rage cap, for sure
but you have so many fucking casts of IP
you hit IP 79 times
cunning oriole
haha yes, exactly. I am trying to train myself to get off my IP hotkey
long bronze
like if the boss is below 35%
you need to chill on IP
the highest you got got juggernaught was 6
cunning oriole
the highest you got got juggernaught was 6
opening myself to sure ridicule...but I'm not sure what this means?
long bronze
so look at the right of your prot talent tree
the node that's either punish or juggernaut
supple meadow
opening myself to sure ridicule...but I'm not sure what this means?
Trust me bud I've asked some seriously dumb questions
Honestly this is one of the most helpful class discords I've ever been in
long bronze
you're also pressing your tome on CD instead of only pressing it when it naturally switches to shield mode
that's just free dps you're throwing in the bin
supple meadow
Do not ask questions in the warlock discord. They will either whine at you are just straight up ignore you lol
long bronze
this should be like 90%+ uptime
cunning oriole
So you're saying with my playstyle, it would be better to go Punish instead? Or I need to switch my style to go after more Jug stacks?
cunning oriole
you're also pressing your tome on CD instead of only pressing it when it natural...
Yes, I have it macro'd to use on cd
sick sentinel
Did anyone here ever try to make a M+ Protection DPS spec this season (non-tanking)?
long bronze
if you're doing that you're better off using a different trinket
cunning oriole
look at the pins
I will
long bronze
otherwise just look at your CPM on your cds, abilities
here's the top thane log on heroic bandit
cunning oriole
I'll run a side-by-side comparative
long bronze
CPM is the # here, not casts, because the fight durations are not equitable
(Casts per minute)
even with your insane IP usage, he pressed 25.6% more buttons than you did per minute
cunning oriole
So, is it not worth tracking a baseline set of metrics each week (or on certain M+ dungeons, like, say, Workshop)?
waste of time?
long bronze
if we assume a button press = dps, that's 26% dps you're losing due to not hitting your buttons
that's a gross generalization, but you get the idea
cunning oriole
yes, makes sense
long bronze
no because pwar is basically the same in every situation
you can get 95%+ parses without holding cds for anything
you can go pure zug, hit button on cd all the time and absolutely blast
nothing in the raid on heroic is even beginning to be threatening to us
Just find a log (like the one I posted) of the same encounter of somehow doing it right, and compare it to yours even just the cast CPM and ask why they did that and you didn't
cunning oriole
haha well, Sprocket's party pack was a pita to deal with until I got my timing right
long bronze
you leap away and hit SW
cunning oriole
Just find a log (like the one I posted) of the same encounter of somehow doing i...
Yes, but I'm not clear on which metrics to look up to make that comparison. Like, CPM wasn't even on my radar from earlier in the thread
long bronze
you can literally just hit your shit in a random order, and as long as you're actually hitting your shit you're going to be doing better than you are now
your main issue right now is waste
fix that, then look at optimizing
and if I was you, I would jus tgo ahead and switch to collosus while I still wasn't good at thane because it's better in basically all content this season
cunning oriole
Yeah, I know I spend too much time away from the boss doing dumb shit like trying to kite when its not going to move. Some fundamental stuff like that
cunning oriole
and if I was you, I would jus tgo ahead and switch to collosus while I still was...
What's the major playstyle differences?
warm plinth
Much less thunder clap, muchmore revenge
long bronze
you use IP less because the rage gen is less
warm plinth
And the added cooldown in Demolish
long bronze
and you absolutely fucking blast in AOE
their ST is more or less the same
as soon as you add cleave in
it's over for thane
and every fight in this raid has cleave except one
I guess mug'zee is arguable
basically you can switch to colossus and swap your IP and revenge keybind and you'd be better off lol
just make sure to press demolish on CD
cunning oriole
Ok, I'll grab a Col build, practice ST and AOE on dummies, do my weekly delves, and then try it in some M+
cunning oriole
just make sure to press demolish on CD
So I can macro it to my rage spenders like I have Avatar now?
cunning oriole
Ah, it's an ability lol
long bronze
what do you have macrod to avatar now
cunning oriole
I use mod macros...it's...convoluted lol
nocturne spindle
It's pretty much send on cool down unless your about to get ads in the next like 10 seconds
No need to think about it, if button up press it, do a billion damage
long bronze
the main thing to note with demolish is it roots you during the cast
sigh I got filtered
cunning oriole
#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast [mod:ctrl]Rend; [mod:shift]Slam; [mod:alt]Revenge; Shield Slam
/use Avatar
/use Recklessness
/use Blood Fury(Racial)
/use 13
/use 14
/use 15
long bronze
don't get yourself killed with it*
long bronze
what is this monstrosity
cunning oriole
Rend and Slam can be deleted, I never use it
long bronze
cape I think
nocturne spindle
Yes I was gonna say
long bronze
you need to delete whatever slot your tome is on too
cunning oriole
yeah, 15 is the rocket pack back or w/e
long bronze
because you're fucking yourself with that one
warm plinth
#showtooltip
/startattack
/cast [mod:ctrl]Rend; [mod:shift]Slam; [mod:alt]Reveng...
This is cursed
nocturne spindle
You'd want all your use stuff bound to like
cunning oriole
haha...yes I am hadnicapped by doing it wrong for 15 years.
nocturne spindle
Thunderous roar
nocturne spindle
Assuming 1:30 cool down
long bronze
I've given you some of the advice I can, now it's up to you
warm plinth
Is that like your regular shield slam button? Or?
ebon lark
Macroing 3 skills into one with just modifiers is cursed x.x
warm plinth
Or regular revenge
cunning oriole
I've given you some of the advice I can, now it's up to you
Understood, and I appreciate the time
long bronze
cunning oriole
Is that like your regular shield slam button? Or?
yes, if I press 3 without any mod it does SS. And all the others if they are off CD
warm plinth
What about Revenge? You have to press alt any time you want to cast Revenge?
cunning oriole
Macroing 3 skills into one with just modifiers is cursed x.x
what's the difference between this and assigning keybinds to 3 different hotbars?
cunning oriole
What about Revenge? You have to press alt any time you want to cast Revenge?
alt+3
warm plinth
Because if you assign to different bindings you don't have to use a modifier
long bronze
the fact that all the other lines without the conditionals are going to run
warm plinth
Using a modifier for rotational abilities is wild
long bronze
also kinda that
toxic pewter
Prot palas being roasted in wow forums right now
long bronze
if I had to use a modifier to hit revenge my fingers would look like I was 90 years old with rheumatoid arthritis
toxic pewter
warm plinth
Like by all means press shift or alt or whatever you want for a cooldown, but for something like Revenge that you're pressing 15 times a minute? That just sounds terrible.
long bronze
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1356307571878920412/im...
they deserve it, ppal sucks so bad they have a 30 second cheat death in their kit
imagine
paper ass tank
warm plinth
Playing piano to play WoW XD
toxic pewter
Am I able to post gif in wow forums
sick sentinel
What I do is I rebind my thumb button on mouse to CTRL key. And then I make it so first actionbar is bound to keys 1234567
Next bar is CTRL + 1234567
So if I want to do next action bar of abilities I just hold thumb on mouse. Voila!
My thumb is now 7+ abilities
long bronze
I just use an mmo mouse
warm plinth
I used to do that before I got an MMO mouse; had one bound to ctrl and one to alt
long bronze
but I do that same thing with shift in games that have shift to sprint
I put shift on my mouse
toxic pewter
I’ll never understand people that actively use control as a modifier and even prefer it
long bronze
cuz holding shift is cursed
warm plinth
But my rotational abilities were never on a mod, even then
toxic pewter
Control literally a cursed key location
sick sentinel
I used to do that before I got an MMO mouse; had one bound to ctrl and one to al...
Yeah 👍
cunning oriole
I use one of these, so using modifiers aren't difficult. I've got the muscle memory now
warm plinth
I’ll never understand people that actively use control as a modifier and even pr...
They be like yeah I'm pressing it with the side of my palm
toxic pewter
That’s wild to prefer control over shift what in the world O_O
cunning oriole
used it for 15 years
long bronze
warm plinth
And I'm like how the fuck are you ONLY pressing ctrl
toxic pewter
Did I read that right
A dude just say control better than shift
What in the world..
warm plinth
What in the actual fuck is that thing
sick sentinel
Hahah
warm plinth
MAHKARN SAY PSYCH RIGHT NOW
toxic pewter
In some countries you actually arrested for preferring control
cunning oriole
Nope...it's how i roll lol
long bronze
alt is a good modifier as long as you don't need to jump when using it 🙂
warm plinth
That's like that shit they used to sell with SOCOM or something on PS2
mighty valley
it looks like the pretend gameplay controllers i give my child
cunning oriole
glad I could amuse y'all this mornin
stuck coral
hello can we ask some question here?
mighty valley
i'm impressed it's held up for 15 years!
long bronze
I play wow with one of these
stuck coral
ML 3rd boss "Searing Reagent" is reflectable damage? can we track it with boss mods/WA ? it's hurt me alot
warm plinth
ML 3rd boss "Searing Reagent" is reflectable damage? can we track it with boss m...
Not reflectable, but it will still reduce the damage
warm plinth
And you can spell block it
warm plinth
I use one of these, so using modifiers aren't difficult. I've got the muscle mem...
ngl this is still (somehow) better than the people who use those thumb trackball things that look like a torture device
hollow hill
Is there a specific way we should be simming eye of kezan? I picked up a champ level one last night, and somehow it's simming lower than a champ mechano core amplifier
lusty grotto
i bought 1 of these for work and im seriously considering upgrading my corsair kb to a hall effect one https://nuphy.com/collections/in-stock-keyboards/products/air75-v2
stuck coral
hmmm thank you
long bronze
Is there a specific way we should be simming eye of kezan? I picked up a champ l...
you need to run like an 8 min sim
lusty grotto
Is there a specific way we should be simming eye of kezan? I picked up a champ l...
long sims
warm plinth
Which switches did you get
lusty grotto
warm plinth
I have the huntsman analog v2 atm
long bronze
I have a wooting 80he it's really nice
warm plinth
Has the mechanical/optical hybrid switches
lusty grotto
wootings are A+
solid sun
Wutangs
lusty grotto
ive been looking at keychromes though
long bronze
If I ever got in a fight with only my keyboard near me I'd also be good to go
warm plinth
idk if I'd like low profile though; what's the actuation on those things
lusty grotto
keychron*
warm plinth
My hand sits heavy so I had to really lower the actuation on mine to not hit shit by accident
warm plinth
Is that the full keyboard just no 10key?
long bronze
yeah basically
warm plinth
I'm thinking about getting one of those. I like having home/end and shit but I type numbers with the number row exclusively (and quickly)
So the numpad just takes up sapce
space
long bronze
not having f keys would be omega cursed
lusty grotto
i wasn't convinced on 80%s because im ancient and i like the numpad but after buying the nuphy one i'm convinced
even though the nuphy is 75
hollow hill
you need to run like an 8 min sim
Thank you, I wouldn't have thought of that. So Eye of Kezan is really only good for fights that last longer than 5 minutes?
long bronze
yeah unless you're like a data entry goon number pad is kinda useless
can always buy a standalone one too
long bronze
Thank you, I wouldn't have thought of that. So Eye of Kezan is really only good ...
typically yeah
def not shorter than 5
warm plinth
Yeah I've always just been faster with the number row. I can use the numpad decently if I want to but I rarely want to
long bronze
unless you get omega rng
warm plinth
Part of it may be that I'm a lefty so maybe I just don't have the dexterity in that hand for it to be comfortable to me.
hollow hill
I know it's not great for M+ because you won't get enough time during pulls to get the stacks up
long bronze
the meaningful size difference between a 60 and 80 is insigificant as far as I'm concerned and I want those extra keys
lusty grotto
ive heard good things on priory/DFC/cinderbreww
hollow hill
I guess you would have to chain pull to stay in combat right?
warm plinth
yup
lusty grotto
yeah similar to anvil and cataclysmic signet brand
warm plinth
Do the keys have a nice chonky sound Nim? They look like chonky sound keys
long bronze
don't use it in keys man, you'll be that guy "but my eye!" whenever somebody needs to stop for something
hollow hill
yea could definitely see it doing okay in cinderbrew, i tend to stay in combat for almost the entire length of those hallways to 2nd and 3rd bosses
long bronze
for like 30k dps
lusty grotto
they def sound chunkier than my corsair reds
warm plinth
We love a chonky key sound
hollow hill
don't use it in keys man, you'll be that guy "but my eye!" whenever somebody nee...
lol yea, I usually tend to run a defensive trinket in my other slot for big keys anyway. But it's a fun concept to think about how to utilize it
long bronze
also imagine playing eye with a rogue in the group
hollow hill
yea, they will be pissed they can never stealth lol
warm plinth
I remember the first mechanical I ever got; that thing was like someone was constantly shaking a Yahtzee dice cup
lusty grotto
we had a convo about rogue restealth and the damage gain they get is not really significant
so fuck em
lusty grotto
yeah but its a key
hollow hill
A group in my guild the other night had a pug rogue leave mid key because they wouldn't let him stealth 😅
lusty grotto
and you'd rather just pull fast anyway
lusty grotto
ive only ever had corsair mechanicals ghash
warm plinth
I bought uh
lusty grotto
but im sold on hall effect for sure
warm plinth
I forget, k90? is that a thing?
lusty grotto
yea
warm plinth
I bought that and ended up giving it to my brother because I learned that I despise Corsair's software
lusty grotto
i had a k90 that lasted forever and im using a k75 that has easily like 7 years
icue has become better, ngl
lusty grotto
but it was fucking terrible later on
long bronze
so I can delete this fucking software forever
warm plinth
I love my MMO mouse but it's discontinued now 😢
lusty grotto
i just use g502s
warm plinth
I use the G600
lusty grotto
but its not an MMO mouse
long bronze
logitech software is also ass
sharp gale
I don’t have eye how fast does it drop stacks ?
warm plinth
Really? I love G Hub
lusty grotto
100%
long bronze
I shouldn't need software to use my fuckin mouse
frosty mango
i just use g502s
I have 15 g502s
lusty grotto
desktop to game and vice versa
long bronze
and the lights will just randomly turn on and turn my 40 hour of battery life into 3
warm plinth
The profile switching was annoying, for sure. Like when it would auto swap if you alt-tabbed
lusty grotto
yea
warm plinth
I had to turn that off
frosty mango
I just bought a ton because I’m scared they’ll discontinue it
lusty grotto
lol roid
frosty mango
And I’ll have to use a diff mouse
lusty grotto
ive had... uhhh like 3
tacit smelt
@lusty grotto I'm sorry again nim... it dropped a second time
warm plinth
Didn't they just rerelease the 502?
lusty grotto
i want a light switch one soon
warm plinth
the 502 x or some shit
lusty grotto
no thats the mx 518
warm plinth
Oh
lusty grotto
which was also a beast, and i had like 2
frosty mango
I have a g502 light speed and all the ones in a closet are hero’s
Hard to find a mouse to fit my shrek sized hand
Gotta doom prep
lusty grotto
yeah once this hero one dies, im buying the light switch one
warm plinth
G600 was wonderful; cheap, great buttons, but now it's gone so when mine dies, I have to do what I hate: peripheral shop
frosty mango
G600 was wonderful; cheap, great buttons, but now it's gone so when mine dies, I...
Shoulda been like me
My grandchildren will be using 502s
long bronze
I have a g502x for FPS/general use and a naga pro for wow
so I have to have both shit pieces of software
lusty grotto
oof
long bronze
meanwhile my keyboard
frosty mango
You don’t need ghub
long bronze
with 50x the number of inputs and macro capability
doesn't need software
how novel
frosty mango
You can load the macro to your mouse
warm plinth
I have a razer webcam but I don't think I've ever even opened the software
frosty mango
Then delete the software
warm plinth
He doesn't want you to fix this; he just wants you to listen
frosty mango
We don’t play warriors because we’re smart, right
long bronze
right
warm plinth
man what movie is that
long bronze
so somebody make a good mmo mouse please and thank you, much love, -zug
warm plinth
Oh it's an episode of HIMYM
"I don't want you to fix this; I just want to feel heard"
toxic pewter
Only the smartest play warrior to be honest
frosty mango
"I don't want you to fix this; I just want to feel heard"
This is basically how marriage works for the unfamiliar
long bronze
true and based
toxic pewter
We have all realized “why not just play training wheels tank” why bother with annoying shit in life
warm plinth
I had to practice a lot to be able to do that. And it's really hard sometimes when the solution is very simple.
long bronze
try being an engineer in a long term relationship and figuring out how to disable the natural inclination to fix any problem that exists
warm plinth
The good news is, I'm single so I don't have to do it
frosty mango
I’ve been married multiple decades so really now I just keep chocolate on hand at all times
warm plinth
I’ve been married multiple decades so really now I just keep chocolate on hand a...
Keep the sorry in the back pocket too even though you probably didn't do anything wrong right?
frosty mango
Keep the sorry in the back pocket too even though you probably didn't do anythin...
Nope I say sorry all the time
warm plinth
Hells yeah
frosty mango
canadian spotted
I’m from inner city Baltimore I’m about as hoodrat as you get
toxic pewter
What do Canadians call pancakes
warm plinth
Oh, Baltimore, yikes
frosty mango
I don’t live there anymore
warm plinth
Not because it's Baltimore, btw. I had a bad experience.
frosty mango
Bootstrappsed myself into a nice fancy life
frosty mango
Not because it's Baltimore, btw. I had a bad experience.
Yes so has everyone who has ever been there
toxic pewter
Baltimore one of the most dangerous cities in the world
long bronze
What do Canadians call pancakes
sorrycakes bagged milk eh
warm plinth
Back in the day, some WoW friends paid for me to meet up with a group of them in Wilmington
toxic pewter
sorrycakes bagged milk eh
.. checks out…
warm plinth
And my friend picked me up from the bus station and drove like 110 on the interstate in gridlock traffic. It was terrifying.
Then my other friend drove 90 everywhere around Wilmington, even though it's like 35mph
frosty mango
No one hates Baltimore more than people who are from there
Having to drive on 495 and 695 regularly may qualify as actual torture
mortal cypress
Then my other friend drove 90 everywhere around Wilmington, even though it's lik...
And that is the story how my butthole got destroyed
warm plinth
Oh they also took me to a strip club in Philly (I was still a virgin at the time) and bought me a lap dance. One of them even recorded it on his phone, so there's a video of that somewhere.
Just an overall traumatic experience
keen vine
did cyrce's circlet got nerfed? just looked at it again and it gives trash stats
keen vine
mine(658 ilvl) storbringer gives 163 every stat
lusty grotto
thats certainly strange
waxen frost
For last boss of Floodgate; if you used berserker rage before the spark hit, would it negate the stun effect?
keen vine
on my char pannel the sttats seem to match
frosty mango
For last boss of Floodgate; if you used berserker rage before the spark hit, wou...
No
lusty grotto
For last boss of Floodgate; if you used berserker rage before the spark hit, wou...
no
waxen frost
Sadge
frosty mango
on my char pannel the sttats seem to match
Take the ring off, take all the gems out
Then put it back on
And put them back in
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/it-problem-phone-call-have-you-tried-turning-it-off-and-on-again-gif-17823069
frosty mango
Classic IT maneuver
Let’s be honest the way it handles its stat inference is dumb
I wouldn’t put it past blizz to have some weird nonsense where the stats get stuck because the gems never left the ring
But yes unplug and plug it back in is a trope but it also works
keen vine
still didnt fix the issue, but the funny thing is in bag, if i take the gems out they are slightly stronger (ie: stormbringer gives 400 all stats instead of 163) but as soon as i put them back in the value is lowered again
lusty grotto
did you destroy the ring recently
keen vine
maybe it is because i faction changed recently, who knows
lusty grotto
for the ring thing
keen vine
nah
tribal wharf
G600 was wonderful; cheap, great buttons, but now it's gone so when mine dies, I...
g 502 hero is the only mouse i would ever use
keen vine
im going
warm plinth
Not enough buttons on the 502
tribal wharf
mine is missing a pad and the others banged up, and the weel its a bit iffy
lusty grotto
g 502 hero is the only mouse i would ever use
yogi based
tribal wharf
and its STILL better than any other mouse i ever use
solid sun
Is doomguy yogi?
lusty grotto
well except the light switch version
warm plinth
Yeah
tribal wharf
there was back in the day the MS sidewinder and that was good
lusty grotto
lol rhino
warm plinth
Yogi aka deathray aka doomguy
tribal wharf
microsoft old mice are still very good
solid sun
wtf
tribal wharf
death ray, line of sight, cant be seen cant be killed
lusty grotto
for reference
tribal wharf
hide behind rock 🙂
solid sun
I was wondering where yogi went and he’s just some new person all of a sudden
tribal wharf
prevailing survival strategy
solid sun
I know that
lusty grotto
LOL
warm plinth
I know, because I just told you
solid sun
I was here when that happened
lusty grotto
maybe yogi doesnt know
tribal wharf
no, i do not know if i will be playing doom whatever on release
i dont give a fuck currently
warm plinth
Yogi answering the question I asked him weeks ago
lusty grotto
based
solid sun
Doom: Skyrim?
lusty grotto
i want to play it
warm plinth
Back then he just shit directly on my chest in response to the question
tribal wharf
they need to take fuckin
lusty grotto
i remember, ghash
tribal wharf
duke nukem and doom guy and halo man
and put them all into starc raft
and its a shooter game
and you kill zergs n shit
keen vine
for reference
I still got a different value, just this time in my favor lol, this is with new gems
warm plinth
666
lusty grotto
yeah
thats fine though
its because of the stat calculation shit, i think someone mentioned it here once
idk if it was Funky
warm plinth
It seems pretty funky
keen vine
ok, nice
warm plinth
I'll go now
warm plinth
I think its post food nap time now
solid sun
If only I wasn’t working all day forever
warm plinth
Then you could play dbd with me
solid sun
I need a nap to prepare for our 2nd round of pulling H Mug’Zee
warm plinth
I leave you all with an interesting animal fact
Hippos can't swim and can barely float. They move by slow-mo galloping on the riverbed. They also sleep underwater using a subconscious action where they slowly bob to the surface, take a breath, then sink back down.
solid sun
Bye
lusty grotto
mortal cypress
so, i was thinking about pizza today, and then this showed up
buy 20
tribal wharf
just 1 probably
sharp gale
Im glad i ate before seeing this photo
tribal wharf
i just think its,... someones got art skills
i wonder if they made the image with AI
sharp gale
I think it is, bc I’m zooming bc it is so weird, why it looks half a finger half a blazing hot dog poop
odd comet
can we put enchants on shields or no
jagged gust
embellishes on crafted yes, enchants from an enchanter no
odd comet
10-4
mild pendant
If im only pushing m+, do recommended embellishments change?
mortal cypress
If im only pushing m+, do recommended embellishments change?
just sim them
oh its prot
mild pendant
Sims dont really work well with all the conditional above 90% health stuff
jagged gust
your uptime should be default to 80%
but honestly there's not a good embellish, they're all quite tame and close enough DPS-wise to each other it's not worth dwelling on
unborn dragon
Embellishments are a scam being pushed by big embellish to get you to waste your gold
lusty grotto
Sims dont really work well with all the conditional above 90% health stuff
they do fine
but no, embelishments are just dusk/dawn
solid sun
I know grips are a dk thing but I sure would like being able to transform spear into a Scorpion get over here type situation
jagged gust
Not really tho
solid sun
Ya rly
jagged gust
DH have chains, pals have ranged kick on shield, monks have a good ol ring, not entirely sure if bears can vortex/typhoon without leaving bear, but as a class we're the exception to ranged pull abilities
us not having a scorpion get over here is an oversight
solid sun
Vortex seems more like our spear than the other stuff you mentioned but if you’re on board with us getting scorpion get over here tech then we are in agreement
jagged gust
true, bear needs a better mob displacement ability as well
lusty grotto
bears also have a 40 yard range nuke they can use to pull mobs, and we dont
and it does chunky damage depending on their hero spec
spammable too
and they have a knock
and an incapacitate
so they have around the same numbers as our mob control, except we can def talent for more
a lot more comfortably
fair beacon
Question: are embellishments worth spending that much gilded to craft a piece?
lucid mica
Finished leveling yesterday and did a couple +2s as 578, they mostly went fine but I feel like I just keep my health steady and it's healers job to heal me instead of it being on me for recovering, apart from victory strike idk if it's called like that, and sometimes I kinda notice I heal off leech but not always, is it like that? Or am I doing it wrong? I can provide a log but it's a bit early for that I guess
lusty grotto
Question: are embellishments worth spending that much gilded to craft a piece?
thats a pretty broad question
is it worth crafting at all? yes, to get ilvl up
embelishments themselves are very min-maxy this season, so it highly depends on what your playstyle is
fair beacon
I mean, based on the hp requirement to stay up for some of them, and the fact that they don't scale with ilvl and basically stay static, are they still impactful on the metrics?
lusty grotto
our uptime for dawn/dusk with optimal gameplay is good
you dont typically dunk hp or stay under for long
yes they are impactful
but that number its magnitude is 🤷♂️
lusty grotto
Finished leveling yesterday and did a couple +2s as 578, they mostly went fine b...
maintain SB up
as close to 100% as you possibly can
dont get hit in the back
log your runs, so we can point out what youre doing wrong
tl;dr embelishments: if you have a myth piece, its probably worth using over an embelished piece
otherwise, yes you want the embelished piece, typically on low stat pool slots like cloak and bracers
fair beacon
say I would wanna go for them, which slots are best for it? like the waist, wrist, neck, cloak, and ring all drop from the first mythic bosses, and pretty damn good ones too. early I crafted boots and wrist, both of which I got next week, so kinda iffy on my luck 😄
lusty grotto
i answered that a line above
fair beacon
oh yeah, just saw 😄
lusty grotto
for dusk/dawn: cloak=bracers=shield-if-crafted then boots/belt
those are your go-to slots for dusk/dawn
lucid mica
log your runs, so we can point out what youre doing wrong
Ty ❤️ will do
fair beacon
my loot luck has always been screwing with me, if its a mog piece, I always roll above 90, if its smth I want, I always roll under 10, UNLESS I have spent time upgrading a piece in that slot, then I get it immediately 😄
lusty grotto
yeah that tends to happen
fair beacon
btw speaking of dusk and dawn, is dusk still viable especially since crit gives us more benefits based on current tier?
lusty grotto
both are good, pick what you like and/or sims better
fair beacon
I hate sims, always went for what feels fun 🙂
mighty valley
Finished leveling yesterday and did a couple +2s as 578, they mostly went fine b...
we have the worst ability of the tanks to restore big chunks of health when we lose it, but the best kit for preventing damage in the first place
mortal cypress
we have the worst ability of the tanks to restore big chunks of health when we l...
i thought that was brew
mortal cypress
i could never got on with the stagger thing except in mop where it was OP cos it was new
opaque snow
my monk never made it to max level in any expansion yet
lucid mica
we have the worst ability of the tanks to restore big chunks of health when we l...
That's what it seemed, I'll try to get used to it, so much time used to vdh so now it's strange
fair beacon
tbh, warrior feels to me like wow banked all in on magical/superior abilities on their champions and just kept the warrior barely there to maintain their DnD-esque roots 😄
mortal cypress
my monk never made it to max level in any expansion yet
i only did it in MoP cos it was the fresh new thing
opaque snow
I think I'd be WW if I played one at max level
solid sun
Monk has significantly more healing than warrior with orbs yeah?
mortal cypress
i tried all 3....brew was unique as hell with stagger, but ww was fun with having to not press the same ability twice
solid sun
It isn’t a bdk but it’s def not a war in that regard from what I remember
cold mountain
hello I got Bomb Suit 665, PaceMaker 665, Signet 665, and Tome 678 which combination to use for M+?
solid sun
Hmmmm, didn’t get a mud?
/sarcasm
Pacemaker and Tome should be the best combo for offense. If you need a defensive trinket Bombsuit is the best one there is
solid sun
I think tome beats out pacemaker in offense but pacemaker doesn’t have an on use
So I guess really either sim it or pick the one you like best
fair beacon
huh, tome seems to be off rotation. as in it does not take an impact over the other usable trinket, you can use it whenever you wanna switch modes
can use tome and another usable trinket together if you wanna
jagged pier
really its kind of easy kick balls use demolish on shield jobs done
pallid quiver
any advice for zekvir ??
Did you mean zekvir or the current delve dude, underpin
jagged pier
u cant do zkevir anymore i believe
near briar
really its kind of easy kick balls use demolish on shield jobs done
i can handle everything else, the balls just feel like absolute dump to interact with
pallid quiver
u cant do zkevir anymore i believe
I feel like you should at least still enter, but that's baseless conjecture on my end
pallid quiver
i can handle everything else, the balls just feel like absolute dump to interact...
The fight really is just a kick ball mechanic check. If you save all CDs for the shield, he'll eventually die
near briar
i guess
the problems im having are:
he usually starts casting recharge immediately after ads spawn
kickballs feel like crap
this feels like a struggle and not in the fun way when i did zekvir
mighty valley
Yeah the kickballs are irritating, I try and drag him away from them so his hitbox isn't overlapping them, can go get some during casts or pathing
heavy sparrow
crafted trinket or no
odd comet
did we get a sparkthis week?
heavy sparrow
yes
chilly brook
crafted trinket or no
No imo as annoying as it is to try and farm the right ones
near salmon
there are crafted trinkets ???
nocturne spindle
Kickballs become super easy if you bind an interact key
The only hard part of that fight was the trying to kick balls he stood on
hazy lake
If you craft a weapon as prot warrior what embellishment do you put on it?
nocturne spindle
Just put it on bad armor slots
So Incase you get a 678 vault slot you can move it around
hazy lake
TY
trail ibex
look what i got guys 🙂 good thing we talked about it today right ?
heavy sparrow
look what i got guys 🙂 good thing we talked about it today right ?
hey I got this same thing today!
trail ibex
its insanely good right ? 😛
heavy sparrow
what am I missing out on
coral sonnet
Hey guys how is warrior for pushing high keys? If I’m doing 15/16s on my bdk are they pretty chill on warrior in terms of survivability?
round pendant
Friend got a +2 ToP on his fresh 613ilvl priest that we didn't feel like doing
but we get insta declined from every other 2
😔
mighty valley
Hey guys how is warrior for pushing high keys? If I’m doing 15/16s on my bdk are...
There's a warrior in the top 200 runs but no BDK
(plus a billion demon hunters)
coral sonnet
I refuse to play vdh lol
mighty valley
Good
coral sonnet
but on bdk I have to sweat to survive some massive pulls. Is warrior the same for trash pulls or relatively chill with SB and IP
lusty grotto
with SB
coral sonnet
Oh and why don’t people recommend you craft a 675 wep? Is the wep ilvl not important?
lusty grotto
harrow, tell me im not crazy
shield = block value = shield block
shield > weapon > everything else
lusty grotto
ty, i needed that
mighty valley
well idk maybe you're a serial killer in your daily life
mighty valley
but on bdk I have to sweat to survive some massive pulls. Is warrior the same fo...
warrior's sturdy for big trash pulls but doesn't recover from mistakes/missed kicks etc well
coral sonnet
warrior's sturdy for big trash pulls but doesn't recover from mistakes/missed ki...
right didn’t think about missed kicks actually
next pasture
fellas how the hell do i get threat on all the lil shitters at the start of DFC. do you guys pull them first and then pull the mobs past the tunnel, or do you go past the tunnel, come back, then pull them?
actually nvm, i'm just gonna pull sleepers at the end and skip them. they piss me off
chilly brook
fellas how the hell do i get threat on all the lil shitters at the start of DFC....
Just pull the ones near the big boy, like 2-3 packs not the 2 by the cart
solid sun
Tell the hunter to MD you and go to town
jagged gust
if available stampeding roar/wind rush or w/e the shaman one is called, leap and zoom around the room, you can gather in 3 seconds flat
Though I just ravager far pack and double charge to the first big guy
TC+revenge as you run, hope no one gets trigger happy
sick sentinel
Hey team, which hero talents is better for raids/dungeons atm?
wicked pollen
colo
sick sentinel
ty
fair linden
anyone have any tips for living on Dailcry in Priory? I feel like i could barely live on a 14 with a ton of healer help
cold nova
anyone have any tips for living on Dailcry in Priory? I feel like i could barely...
Don't scare me, thats terryfing xD
fair linden
that bleed just evaporates ignore pain 😦
cold nova
that bleed just evaporates ignore pain 😦
I'm planning on tanking m+ , just got lvl 70, and having this problem even on low lvl dungeons xD
fair linden
😮 gl
thorn patio
anyone have any tips for living on Dailcry in Priory? I feel like i could barely...
Use spell reflect/block when the judgment is going out to take less damage and priory is the only key where I always wear a defensive on use trinket to have that extra button to hit
solid sun
And even more changes!
chilly brook
anyone have any tips for living on Dailcry in Priory? I feel like i could barely...
- tell your healer to dispell you
- use shield wall at the end of the pierce armor cast
fluid widget
the hobgoblin change is great
chilly brook
kujo change is dumb
has existed since it was introduced as a dungeon
and several M+ seasons
and now it needs to be "fixed"
solid sun
I'm not excited about it, but I get them not wanting it in
chilly brook
boss sucks
solid sun
Def agree that the boss sucks
chilly brook
it losing 10% health doesn't offset the downtime
pallid quiver
what change to kujo junk now
mighty valley
they should’ve just rethought the mechanic when they brought back the dungeon and redesigned other bosses
pallid quiver
Do we have to proper los now?
mighty valley
maybe they just ran out of time
chilly brook
Good CD usage does drop down the healing required quite a bit
mighty valley
Do we have to proper los now?
they’re removing the sweet spot idea
mighty valley
It’s bad design for it to exist but it’s also bad to just not get to do anything for the full channel
at least they shortened it
unborn island
Good CD usage does drop down the healing required quite a bit
There is also the super hax approach of...be a dwarf and take an evoker on your run 🙂
steady mason
Is it a hot take to think that damn near necessary tech like that KUJO boss is toxic?
Change is a huge win
chilly brook
There is also the super hax approach of...be a dwarf and take an evoker on your ...
dorf bait tbh
lucid mica
Is it a hot take to think that damn near necessary tech like that KUJO boss is t...
But I don't think the health nerf makes up for the loss of uptime, even tho I didn't know how to place kujo hahaha
small steeple
They're doing it for the MDI coming up soon in a couple weeks
Where its basically just TGP now
also @lucid mica nice to see you over here from dh land. Enjoying being a steel wall of rage that punches back?
warm plinth
Didn't they change venting flames anyway where it's just a single hit?
Or am I imagining things
small steeple
don't think so
lucid mica
also <@352782416458285056> nice to see you over here from dh land. Enjoying bein...
Right now I'm just a punching ball more like a steel wall, but it's looking promising hahaha, did a couple 2s as 578 and I'm just slowly gearing up
steady mason
But I don't think the health nerf makes up for the loss of uptime, even tho I di...
I usually got it like 50% of the time, so hopefully it’s at least on par with that
mighty valley
Is it a hot take to think that damn near necessary tech like that KUJO boss is t...
Yeah I agree that it’s bad that it existed, it’s just kinda weird timing to change it
On the THIRD time in rotation, halfway through the season
steady mason
Not wrong 😂
orchid mural
anyone having trouble listing keys?
won't let me list for some reason -,-
strong fox
Just confirming that details is an accurate barometer for SB uptime in combat?
My blocked hits are like 70%, so I assume those are hits to the back yeah?
or sides?
waxen frigate
Just confirming that details is an accurate barometer for SB uptime in combat?
Yes but uptime is irrelevant
As you said blocked hits matter more
Specifically melees
Block is a 180 degree cone, so it’s really just your back half not the sides
strong fox
Ok, cool thanks. Something to work on for sure
lusty meadow
does anyone know how the spwan positon of the 1000 pound dud on gallywix is determined?
lusty grotto
anyone having trouble listing keys?
won't let me list for some reason -,-
ctrl + A on the title and delete
orchid mural
hmm i will try if it hgappens again
waxen cradle
What boss is changing ?
warm plinth
What did they actually do?
sharp gale
I think they nerfed hp and fixed the sweet spot
warm plinth
Ah, yeah that's weird but it's not that impactful. I honestly thought it was weird that they did it with a buff in the first place.
warm plinth
So what are they doing now?
lusty grotto
so traditional line of sight simply doesnt work, but whats funny about this is that things like this used to work fine like Sapphiron's blocks etc
its a hidden buff now
what other encounters have line of sight on objects that just show up?
besides sapphiron's iceblocks and that box
there are more but my brain is in brain rot right now
warm plinth
3rd boss of Halls of Infusion
lusty grotto
oh true
warm plinth
Maybe it's something they just didn't have set up to work back then but now they do?
warm plinth
Oh, right
lusty grotto
maybe it just worked on sapphiron cause it the iceblock was around a player
warm plinth
Is it possible that Sapphiron was the same way as KUJO and people just didn't know though?
lusty grotto
could be
warm plinth
Anyway, I don't think it's really that impactful of a change; it is odd they waited so long to do it though.
solid sun
Why did they have to fix it
lusty grotto
probably because it was an advantage to players that knew about it
i can say we've known since BFA, but the fact is not everyone has played since then
solid sun
That didn’t seem to be an issue however many times it’s been in the dungeon pool
warm plinth
Yeah like, you have to know it exists to even know to get a WA for it
Since it's already a hidden buff
Who knows, that's blizzard for ya
solid sun
I mean I get the idea of it being “bad”
warm plinth
Why did they let Echo do like, half the shit they've done in MDIs over the years XD
solid sun
But Nim said “they had to” so I thought maybe something new was going on that required the fix
warm plinth
I mean shit we had an entire expansion's worth of just egregious snapping before they fixed it
BfA was literally Battle for Snaperoth
lusty grotto
that dungeon has been in play for 6 seasons
well...
actually not 6
cause mechagon was put in around season 3 of BFA
warm plinth
Yeah, and workshop has been M+ for 3 seasons I think? Including when it was released
lusty grotto
yeah youre right
cause Uldir > Dazaralor > Eternal Palace
so 2 BFA seasons, 1 SL season, 1 TWW season = 4 seasons
wait no
1 BFA season
Eternal Palace technically put the dungeon in as a mega dungeon so not in keys
well then, it hasnt been so long after all
2 MDIs/TGPs
3 with this one
warm plinth
crazy
lusty grotto
i guess
5 vanilla BFA dungeons are the ones with more appearances in seasons, with a total of 5 season each
FH, Underrot, ML
and AD
Waycrest
holy fuck lol
warm plinth
ngl I want them to put King's Rest and Tol Dagor back in rotation in the same season just to see the meltdown
warm plinth
Honestly, I'd rather see TD in the rotation than Arcway.
Very boring, very long, and no one wants to see another 5 boss M+ dungeon
frail ibex
Man
Veng feels so much stronger then prot warrior
Dumb
I dont even feel the nerfs that veng got
elfin ginkgo
Yeah? Why?
urban bane
ionic fern
Veng feels so much stronger then prot warrior
Cool take.
I'm happy being a weak warrior smashing keys with minimal damage intake.
ionic fern
Whatever floats your boat.
frail ibex
I mean
I would pref warrior
right
but
we both know
these people
will take a 3100 dh before a 3200 warrior
andits
sad
ionic fern
Jeah,people follow meta blindly.
cerulean tusk
Can't blame em, spell comp want the 3% dam
elfin ginkgo
What makes vdh better than war exactly
Is not damage, it's not damage taken
Its utility raid buff and skips
cerulean tusk
3% for spell dam, in a meta with spellcleave
elfin ginkgo
Yeah exactly, given that they do what, 4m overall dps? It adds 120k dps per dd
Wiat that math sucks
But it's not that much is all in saying
frail ibex
What makes vdh better than war exactly
It handles alot of pulls better then warrior
Not just like
util either
its self healing is disgusting
being able to pulls that warrior would probably fall over in
Or atleast
having a much easier time
unborn island
I'm guessing they don't need to worry about dying on the first boss in a priory regardless of how badly they play it? 😛
cerulean tusk
But it's not that much is all in saying
That is a lot of damage. But it is easier to think of it as: make the key combat 3% shorter
Now that is value. Then we can ask if warrior makes up for that with our dps lead.
Let's say DH grants around 400k DPS
Warrior do on avg 2m DPS, VDH does around 2m.
I dont know, seems like quite a bit to me. Especially when we talking saving seconds
slender bison
I see mostly everyone wants either a boost to Rally (cap to 5) or Bloodlust/BR
Maybe Demo Shout does -30% dmg to tank and -10% dmg to group
Regardless, maybe next expac we will see a rework
And make Anger Management baseline for Warr
And they delete the left half of the Warr talent tree
heavy hazel
Hi! Ive done all dungeons on 10 and im looking to step into 11 and 12. Dose it hurt alot more? Any advice for a new scared tank?
unborn island
It's very similar 🙂
dense pulsar
Hello guys,
Someone know the CAP on stats we aiming for ?
chilly brook
It handles alot of pulls better then warrior
I mean what pulls?
I haven’t run into a pull that I’ve seen a DH do that I can’t live on my warrior
frail ibex
I mean what pulls?
Venture co war machines on third boss in motherload
chilly brook
Veng feels so much stronger then prot warrior
The irony when you watch VDHs just either fall over randomly or just randomly proc last resort in 16s
chilly brook
Venture co war machines on third boss in motherload
I did that on my warrior
War machines don’t do damage to the tank really
wide scaffold
Is there a way to sim gear as tank? Or do we look at the most dmg?
frail ibex
I did that on my warrior
Also what key level?
chilly brook
That boss fucks tanks in general
frail ibex
That boss fucks tanks in general
Not vdh
chilly brook
Also what key level?
14 and 15
chilly brook
Not vdh
Yes the boss just hits hard
You just cover it the same way that any other tank should
frail ibex
Hitting hard means nothing when you can hit spirit bomb and max yourself out in 1 button press
chilly brook
Only added benefit is you can self sustain but so can blood dk
chilly brook
Someone who likes the class?
chilly brook
It definitely doesn’t handle melees better
frail ibex
Prot still needs healing where as vdh really doesnt
chilly brook
chilly brook
Idk man
Needing healing isn’t a good reason to say something is hands down worse
Paladin needed healing last season
frail ibex
Needing healing isn’t a good reason to say something is hands down worse
Im not saying its not meta
chilly brook
He also admitted to misplaying it
He’s really not a warrior boi
My dh is pretty close to my warrior in terms of ilvl and doesn’t really feel like its head and shoulders ahead of warrior at all
The only reason I’m considering playing it is simply because it’s a brick wall trying to push past 3200io without being DH because people won’t invite you
frail ibex
The only reason I’m considering playing it is simply because it’s a brick wall t...
Thats where I am at rn
chilly brook
Hell if warrior didn’t catch a damage nerf pretty sure it would have passed up DH or at the very least have been a dark horse pick
frail ibex
Hell if warrior didn’t catch a damage nerf pretty sure it would have passed up D...
Oh for sure
I feel like
that would have been the 1 thing that made it really desireable
I mean
I do more dps on my prot then any other tank still
chilly brook
Nah
frail ibex
But it aint what it was
chilly brook
Blood dk is still stupid
chilly brook
frail ibex
I already beat my dps on bosses
chilly brook
Post blood nerf btw
proud cosmos
Blizz don’t like us 😦