and its still doing it
#protection
solid sun
Which trinket
frosty mango
and its still doing it
Did you actually replace the skill on your bar or change the macro
lilac widget
replaced it with skill from spellbook
frosty mango
Are you sure there are no /use in any other macros you are using
cerulean tusk
@strange lintel join us... One of us! One of us!
lilac widget
only use one other macro in my dps skills and its a cursor one :/
strange lintel
<@148972256914046976> join us... One of us! One of us!
shut up! reeeeeeeeeeee
odd comet
Are we using the colossus build for m+ or the mountain thane? Tanking like 12s and 13s
cerulean tusk
You can do either or, most prefer colo
odd comet
Just feels like with colo I’m always searching for an AOE button to hit
Where as thane it feels like I always have something to press
Am new to prot though
cerulean tusk
Colo searching for an AoE button to hit... what?
Revenge!
REeeeVenge!
ReVengE
warm moth
Are you guys finding that on Thane your AOE snap aggro isn't that great? The ret in my group occasionally getting aggro when I'm trying to get packs grouped up
odd comet
Yea true I’m tweaking then the build I imported didn’t have it I think
odd comet
Or it just got taken from my bar and I didn’t look
warm moth
That was my thought but the rets I know are both monkeys, Ty for the confirmation
cerulean tusk
Better throw Revenge real quick on your bars as Colo, it is your enabler
odd comet
Yea weird I imported it right before a key and it vanished and bricked the pulls immediately 😂
cerulean tusk
granite briar
Their problem
but if you have them all gathered into one ball and there's a group of Kobold Workers on the mage that pulled aggro off of you and won't run to you to take the aggro back, you're the problem!
cerulean tusk
You talking about the kobolds, on the boss, that fixate on the person who gets the candle?
twilit turtle
Hey fellas anyone are using cell unit frames?
tribal wharf
most have been bad since DF
elder thorn
tribal wharf
shares cd with potion is main reason and you get more dps from using a potion
narrow jay
It used to be the way to use battle res but now anyone can do it from buying an item
You used to have to put the battle res tinker onto the wrists
tribal wharf
thats only reason i dont play dps negative gold fast through repairs and consumables and upgrades(enchants) to be top dps, so you keep your place and dont get kicked from the raid
don't have to do that so much with tank
narrow jay
I found it very useful in dragonflight
tribal wharf
god, i barely if ever got that wipe robot to save my keystone
rezs everyone low hp, at the robot who explodes and kills them if they dont run.... why....
mild swan
if you have only heroic wep and shield, would you go for crafted wep or shield first?
tribal wharf
that sucks, there is only 4 tinkers and 2 of them are pvp
the other 2 is health pot and invis pot
toxic gyro
if you have only heroic wep and shield, would you go for crafted wep or shield f...
Shield>weapon>everything else
elder thorn
ahh okay I'm going to do that then since I only have heroic shield
round pendant
How do I avoid gaps
still levelling but I have some gaps sometimes prob because I shouldn't press demon spikes when I have meta up?
unless 2 charges
solemn depot
Hey fellas anyone are using cell unit frames?
Yeah, what's up?
And @tribal wharf plater and cell unit frames do different things. Plater is nameplates, cell is unit frames (player, target, focus, party, raid)
chilly brook
still levelling but I have some gaps sometimes prob because I shouldn't press de...
don't spikes in meta basically unless you're running FtD or know you'd also need spikes for whatever is happening
charred ivy
gonna tank a Darkflame cleft 11, havent tanked any of this yet. any tips?
sharp gale
i died 10 seconds before the kill i was a little bit pissed
solid sun
Nice big kill
forest sluice
We can’t even get past 30 percent so don’t feel too bad
Drills hard apparently
Mines hard
forest sluice
But muh battle shout
low thistle
Hello! New tank this season running +13 keys
When going against harder hitting bosses such as floodgate 1st boss and priory 1st boss.
They hit very hard and eat through my ignore pain even with a defensive up rotated appropriately.
Are you supposed to hit revenge a lot still when you have 80+ rage? Or do you wait until the tank buster hits and dump the rage into ignore pain to refill?
chilly brook
Hello! New tank this season running +13 keys
When going against harder hitting ...
IP is largely irrelevant to you living
frosty mango
Hello! New tank this season running +13 keys
When going against harder hitting ...
As you go up in key level there are times when you need to pool rage to help with dots but for the most part you being alive or dead is more about you managing defensives
chilly brook
just make sure you have real defensives rolling for tank busters
1st boss of Floodgate sucks but you should be able to cover most of the tank busters with shield wall or spell block
frosty mango
Ignore pain is much more important for trash
Where you have many white hits
Vs one massive hit
low thistle
Thank you. You should still strive to have near 100% uptime on IP on those bosses tho yeah? In combination with shield wall or spell block?
chilly brook
no lol
chilly brook
there is no such thing as "100% IP uptime"
just press the button when you need to spend rage and aren't able to do so on the GCD or if you think you might need it to help smooth some damage
don't overthink IP
indigo hawk
I don’t reallly follow you on this, like the first boss of priory in +15, every single shield of IP can save you from succed or wype (Im on it so i know)
frosty mango
First boss floodgate IP CAN be useful pooled for the electrocrush dot but that’s along with a defensive
chilly brook
I don’t reallly follow you on this, like the first boss of priory in +15, every ...
I mean I've attempted a 16 on it so sure I guess?
But
Your defensives are doing the heavy lifting
solid sun
I’m on it so i know absolutely sent me
chilly brook
IP is not going to be the make or break
if you don't have a defensive rolling you're gonna die
or rather that's what will cause you to if you do
solid sun
Someone said, maybe Leurce? That people overestimate how much IP does for them defensively
indigo hawk
I really don’t think saying IP is irrelevant is the point for war prot but everybody have a differente point of view I guess
low thistle
So you spam revenge for damage and for the cool down reduction from anger management to get more defensive up? Cuz I feel like you can run out of defensive quite fast. Even with spell block on 20 sec cd
chilly brook
Because it is largely irrelevant to whether you live something
It's not unimpactful but you're overvaluing it if you think it is the make or break
spamming IP will get you killed if you over send it
I'm not saying you don't press the button
solid sun
Just to play off the semantics that maybe at play here, largely irrelevant isn’t the same as entirely irrelevant and also doesn’t mean not at all helpful
chilly brook
I am saying that you need to be intentional with pressing it
Press it to not cap rage and also if you're in a period where you think the extra cast will help you smooth damage
low thistle
Yeah my intention is to always have it up as much as I can lol . Clearly I've been doing it wrong
chilly brook
otherwise press revenge
revenge can reset shield slam
shield slam resets mean more rage
more rage means more spending (and to an extent more IP) which means more mitigation available through avatar and shield wall
You live and die by your rage economy, dead globals and being raged starved is what kills you
low thistle
Thank you!
solid sun
Griff is on it so he knows
chilly brook
Just a random 15 testing routes but 66% uptime on big momma
so like it's still being pressed a lot
but being worried about it being up 100% of the time is not it
solid sun
Wild
chilly brook
big fan of doing standard first pull with lust then grabbing a whole bunch of % and starting the boss with about 1:30 CD left on lust
send it mid boss and she melts
indigo hawk
Just to play off the semantics that maybe at play here, largely irrelevant isn’t...
Yeah exactly that
solid sun
Well I was saying that to try to help Griff’s point… he never actually said it just legit 100% doesn’t matter
indigo hawk
IP is largely irrelevant to you living
That’s pretry confuse but ok
solid sun
It obviously has some amount of defensive value, but if you’re trying for 100% uptime on it, you’re overvaluing IP
forest sluice
SB and shield wall more important
chilly brook
That’s pretry confuse but ok
It's not you just agreed with it
low thistle
Is there math done where if you use shield wall, how fast can you get a charge of it back from anger management?
Assuming unlimited rage, spamming revenge, occasional ignore pain, shield block, and natural cool down timer ticking?
2min CD... Maybe 30 secs real CD assuming above?
indigo hawk
SB and shield wall more important
Obviously but when they are done and you struggle to survive IP is not irrelevant
chilly brook
If I have no SB or Shield Wall/Spell Block then it's entirely out of my hands
the damage intake even with IP is going to be greater than I can cover myself
I can help the healer a bit by good use of IP but it's not up to me at that point
chilly brook
Like I still needed 913k HPS from my healer
a couple extra IPs isn't going to move that needle in a super favorable direction
frosty mango
I think the question at that point is - does pressing ip provide more value than pressing revenge
Which imo the answer is yes, but to say it will prevent your death is a big leap
chilly brook
harder to quantify but again even revenge press holds defensive value
frosty mango
At that key level I think it’s far more effective to plan defensives properly rather than relying on ip (which will result in your death)
chilly brook
oh for sure
frosty mango
The entire conversation is moot if you have a disc priest bc they can just press ps
And the problem disappears
frosty mango
Or slt
chilly brook
super low CD on their external and they work very well with us
but like if I'm sitting at 60 rage and I already have like a 2m IP and everything is on CD I'm just better off hitting revenj
frosty mango
My greater point is trying to argue ip is life saving is a vaccum is not a valid argument because m+ is a group based activity
So the real answer is just plan to not be in a situation where the question even needs to be asked
frosty mango
highly underrated item 🙂
Blasphemy
I main healer and I put health pot and stone in mrt as a cooldown
We will hold all the hands
chilly brook
Also as much as I used to be a BSV hater, having one of the shortest CDs of a cheat opens a lot of doors especially intentionally using it as a defensive
frosty mango
Also as much as I used to be a BSV hater, having one of the shortest CDs of a ch...
I use it in priory and flood exactly like this
Just take the buster to the face
Free defensive
chilly brook
ye I actively communicate with my healer depending on the situation
if he's already taxed with group dam I just tell him to let me rot
frosty mango
IMO not much value in other keys until you get to a level higher than I am (14-15)
frosty mango
I don’t wanna give up ravager
chilly brook
But that's my experience
frosty mango
I run with a boomy it makes me feel safe
chilly brook
I don’t wanna give up ravager
you don't have to
frosty mango
Starfall is not my friend
chilly brook
You can just drop Battering Ram instead
seems to be largely the same result overall
solid sun
What happens if it’s like a lot of hits
Do you just get axed down somewhere above 30%
And then your health bar mostly stops moving?
chilly brook
with BSV?
solid sun
Yeah
chilly brook
I believe it calculates the damage instance that would cause you to drop below 30% cuz I've had it proc when I'm fairly high HP and then yeah my HP just stops moving lmao
well it starts moving up pretty fast cuz double healing intake
elfin ginkgo
Does it prevent oneshots?
indigo hawk
Yeah sadly it’s calculed post mitagation…
chilly brook
Yeah sadly it’s calculed post mitagation…
that's a good thing
elfin ginkgo
Can i just have reaping scythe without any mitigation and pive with it?
indigo hawk
Wym ?
chilly brook
it used to calculate the damage based on pre-mitigation numbers
you'd proc it on just any random white swing
chilly brook
Can i just have reaping scythe without any mitigation and pive with it?
idk and there's no reason to do that
indigo hawk
Ah yeah mb
chilly brook
you have SR up for every one and block should never drop
elfin ginkgo
I was just wondering
indigo hawk
But it work weirdly some Time when it proc at 90% hp, that’s sad
chilly brook
it should prevent one shots unless the remaining 20% of the damage is your entire health pool
chilly brook
But it work weirdly some Time when it proc at 90% hp, that’s sad
because whatever hit you would have taken you below 30% even with whatever you had rolling
it works like WotN now, any damage that would take you below that threshold is mitigated by it
elfin ginkgo
Pretty good
oak ivy
it should prevent one shots unless the remaining 20% of the damage is your entir...
I got hit with both parts of M ansurek's buster and BSV saved me 👍
(nevermind that I also had shield wall, pain supp, and time dilation)
the things you do to survive getting hit for half a billion damage
small steeple
it works like WotN now, any damage that would take you below that threshold is m...
wotn?
indigo hawk
it works like WotN now, any damage that would take you below that threshold is m...
Not really if you look at log, the hit that make bsv proc will not be at -80% dmg reduction
I already asked this question here and after a lot of speak we didn’t know how it work
small steeple
ah
jagged pier
yes
because the first hit also gets the 80% DR
so it would have taken u below 30%
hence why it proced
indigo hawk
because the first hit also gets the 80% DR
I dont understand how the first hit can get 80% DR and in log it’s 54% ?
fading tide
Where are you guys on the dos charts? I just did my first plus 9 and I was second
Dps
Am I in bad groups or is this normal for prot to do a lot of dmg
mighty valley
Am I in bad groups or is this normal for prot to do a lot of dmg
those are some pretty bad dps
well... idk, in a 9 it's possible that everything died too fast for some of the rampup specs
mighty valley
but in a real key, with good dps, i'm not beating them these days
chilly brook
Am I in bad groups or is this normal for prot to do a lot of dmg
bad groups
best case scenario I'm doing like 2.8m but everyone else should be well above 3m in that case if not pushing 4m
forest sluice
MM on top baby
round pendant
IP is largely irrelevant to you living
I feel like using it correctly matters for not making your healer want to murder you
Had a guy playing pwar and I was dpsing and he just didn't use IP enough (2-3CPM) and it made my healer friend have to focus much much more on him than when I'm tanking
jagged gust
Sometimes you let IP fall off and you immediately regret your life choices
warm plinth
I dont understand how the first hit can get 80% DR and in log it’s 54% ?
Not 100% on this but pretty sure it functions like Will of the Necropolis for bdk. So only the portion of the first hit below 30% hp(or whatever the threshold is) would be reduced by 80%.
lofty warren
best case scenario I'm doing like 2.8m but everyone else should be well above 3m...
What is the dps not damage done
lofty warren
More than the pugs I'm in with
On the circle spinning boss in TOP what do you do when thr big green circle come? Go around boss all the time, go back and then back when orb go, or step in and back out?
hallow smelt
i cant seem to find a spell reflect weak aura, is that because it doesnt exist, they are bad and not worth, or i am just an idiot and cant find it?
cerulean tusk
I just ignore it, even on 13 it doesn't do anything as far as I know. But, if I had to dodge it, I would dodge towards the boss and back out. If that did dam, I would spin around 
cerulean tusk
i cant seem to find a spell reflect weak aura, is that because it doesnt exist, ...
Google spell reflect WA tww, should be the first thing that pops up
hallow smelt
Google spell reflect WA tww, should be the first thing that pops up
ah so the answer was i am an idiot.. thanks hehe
lofty warren
Ohh didn't know the correct thing was to ignore it all the time
cerulean tusk
No clue if it is correct, it is what I do
chilly brook
I feel like using it correctly matters for not making your healer want to murder...
For sure, but it’s really just as simple as using it when you’re high on rage and don’t have free globals and or when your damage intake is going to be high but it won’t cost you your rage economy
cerulean tusk
Going away from melee range? Mods ban him
chilly brook
Nah he’s right
mild river
He doesn’t melee anymore
This.
chilly brook
I mean if you do it right you won’t lose any uptime
But then again I can’t be fucked to get a swing timer for that lmao
elfin ginkgo
For sure, but it’s really just as simple as using it when you’re high on rage an...
Because using it on ip too much means ypu dont cast revenge for shield slam resets?
chilly brook
Yea
strong forum
You can step out of melee on that boss and it doesn’t matter
do NOT
do that
do NOT leave melee range
chilly brook
do NOT leave melee range
You can now
strong forum
you can stay on the boss
and just turn your back to the soul spot
your soul spawns at the edge
always
cerulean tusk
Nome really missed the thing here, huh
strong forum
so they removed the boss melee attack?
chilly brook
Yea
cerulean tusk
Yeah
strong forum
cuz shit tanks kept killing my pets
cerulean tusk
chilly brook
Was in hotfixes or w/e with the reset
chilly brook
Because using it on ip too much means ypu dont cast revenge for shield slam rese...
Revenge very important for shield slam resets
Dead globals are really bad for the spec
You want to find a balance between sending IP and sending revenge to keep a smooth rage economy
That’s mostly done by just sending IP as a rage dump when high on rage and in danger of overcapping
past laurel
(I know probably a dumb question) What would you craft? knowing that the Puzzling Cartel Chips, are coming, and can buy shield and such, would it be worth crafting wep and Belt/Cloak? over say wep and Shield.
For m+
Since I'm not raiding mythic.
indigo hawk
Not 100% on this but pretty sure it functions like Will of the Necropolis for bd...
I don’t think it work like that because it would put you all the time close to 30-40% hp when bsv proc. But sometime it proc on a hit that put me from 100 to 80%. So it cannot really work like you Said
solid sun
Maybe you took that much damage
Or maybe you thought you went to 80% but the double heal intake timed well with the hit that would have taken you below 30%
And it was like turbo instant and you lived inside the Matrix momentarily
indigo hawk
It happen a lot of time and thing like you said would not happen as much I think
tribal wharf
is it can you recycle the cpu cooler if you go from am4 to am5 cpu
i figure someone here would have upgraded pc in last years
shrewd grove
@strong forum What's your average DPS in a key right now
sharp gale
(I know probably a dumb question) What would you craft? knowing that the Puzzlin...
Depends on what you want to do rn, if you game a lot etc, for a new char / I don’t want to push m+ I would farm hero pieces not craft until I want to push
If I game a lot / want to push directly craft 4 things (things I really need rn / wep shield, and craft the 2 thing you are less likely to have/pick in your vault)
past laurel
Wanna push high keys, only 620. tryin to hit 3k asp
but vdh is 668, got bored of that.
and do big damage
😄
sharp gale
If I’m 620, I would craft next week bc you will destroy farm 10s this week
On my Druid (was 630), I jumped in m+ to +6 to grab few pieces + some runed crests and after maybe 3-4 drops I just spammed over 7 for gilded
I joined groups with the most leather dudes
On my rogue (since he can only dps), I just do my own 10 with 632 ilvl and I invite leather dudes in prio, I’m now 645 i just do 1 key per week on him
small steeple
So last night on hero gallywix, I accidentaly got 2 BOmbs in a row. Is shieldwall and shield block falling off fractions of a second before I get hit just terrible timing or an evenr log error?
hardy python
Do we know for sure the raid item bullions, Puzzling Cartel Chips are coming out with 11.1.5? I don't see it in the patch notes
hardy python
<https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-confirms-dinars-puzzling-cartel-chip-are-...
Missed this, tyvm
jolly swift
in keys whats stopping me from pressing shieldblock on cd, seems like you get the full 8 each time
opaque snow
I just keep it and ignore pain up as much as I can
round cliff
So last night on hero gallywix, I accidentaly got 2 BOmbs in a row. Is shieldwal...
gallywix solo tankable
i think u just got fucked
cuz that cast should do like 0 dmg
oop that post was from hours ago mb
pallid quiver
in keys whats stopping me from pressing shieldblock on cd, seems like you get th...
It caps at 3x duration, and you can spend SB when there's downtime/nothing meaningful to block, being a cd time you could have had to let charges sit/recover
small steeple
gallywix solo tankable
nah your the only one who responded to it. So I took 2 of the bigger badder bombs in a row, which makes the next one do 200% more damage, and unfortunaely my SB and SW expired a fraction of a second before I got hit
round cliff
tragic
granite briar
I'm trying to pug resil 12s, I'm having a hard time with me pulling, having full aggro, and DPS and healers still dieing. As the tank, what more, in general, do I need to do to make sure they survive the pulls? And I'm not doing massive youtuber pulls either that require proper coordination. I also check details afterwards and I'm often the highest kicker of spells too.
Do I need to start logging and recording my play so I can analyze what I'm doing wrong?
toxic pewter
Sounds like you may be doing bad pulls if it’s a consistent thing
Either too large or maybe wrong packs who can even say
Yeah log would prob help I guess or post routes you’ve been using
lusty grotto
troar/tclap with crackling talented
have a high ilvl weapon
leap to reset taunt
other than that, they are on their own
and yes logging is always helpful
you should also have avatar up at least close to when the gathering is done
ready to land a demo shout for your demolish
more damage = more threat
pearl river
anyone got a nice BSV tracker WA
granite briar
Sounds like you may be doing bad pulls if it’s a consistent thing
One specific pull I have is I was in Cinderbew, Ipa side at the end of the long hallway, pull after the first two are dead, we're working the pull and suddenly I realize I'm alone. I wait for them all to walk back, I'm alive, nobody has torn threat. Key is bricked.
lusty grotto
thats an incredibly ambiguous scenario
granite briar
thats an incredibly ambiguous scenario
Alright, nevermind then.
I'll setup logs and start logging.
granite briar
you didnt even look at death logs in details?
Yeah, apparently an explosive barrel went off
lusty grotto
well theres nothign you can do ther
barrels are cleaved though
best you can do is cleave em with revenge 🙂
granite briar
I'm just bein a bitch, I need to listen to my groups better
timber forge
hello. someone knows how I push the add bonus on first boss in workshop? for funnel
steady mason
gotta boast a new pb: broke 2m dps as thane in +13 cinderbrew
whoever told me i was dumb for taking instigate over ravager a few days ago deserves a hug
lusty grotto
i mean a lot of people dont like it
and thats fine, but to argue its not strong in aoe due to that reason is... uhhh
steady mason
i dont think anyone would make that argument
steady mason
probably not... being able to separate an intellectual feeling from an emotional one is NOT a strong skill in most people
lusty grotto
agreed
tall rampart
Do other prot warriors find the spec clunky?
I have an alt who is 660 ilvl now and just use for m+ and normally a few 10s for vault. But I find the game play clunky and annoying to maintain ignore pain & shield block.
When you get bad rng and no shield slam procs I find I run out of rage etc or if I need to move away from boss/mobs due to mechanics I can run out of rage and can't maintain defensives etc
lusty grotto
no
tall rampart
Prob 80% play style skill issue... But I just don't find it flows well
mighty valley
you're over-prioritizing ignore pain uptime
tall rampart
So prob doing something very wrong perhaps
lusty grotto
yes, what Harrow said
tall rampart
you're over-prioritizing ignore pain uptime
Ok, what is the rule of thumb?
mighty valley
you want to play to make sure you can press a button every gcd
mighty valley
so you need to make sure you keep enough rage in the tank to press revenge when it's the only button available
tall rampart
I definitely feel a lot more squishy without IP up
lusty grotto
or only when you think you will need it, maintain it with damage done
tall rampart
Haha true
lusty grotto
you will feel squishier without SB up, not IP
mighty valley
yeah, it's a little counter-intuitive - you're afraid without IP, but if you play for the long game and maximize your chances for SS resets, you'll have more rage and thus more IP over time
tall rampart
Best to save IP for big incoming hits?
tall rampart
yeah, it's a little counter-intuitive - you're afraid without IP, but if you pla...
This makes sense
opaque snow
do you have something to track how much absorb IP is currently at?
tall rampart
Ok, so getting close to max rage use IP
If big hit coming but lower rage and no IP up, use IP etc?
tall rampart
do you have something to track how much absorb IP is currently at?
Yup, I have a duration and size tracker
lusty grotto
way too much emphasis on IP, thats most of people's problems nowdays
tall rampart
Seems my issue is that I'm trying to keep 100% uptime on both shield block and ignore pain then
lusty grotto
SB is your primary and most important active mit, not IP
an IP will not save you, it smoothes out damage intake, thats it
mighty valley
most of the time, the rule of thumb is just: spend rage on IP that you're definitely not gonna have to spend on revenge
tall rampart
I only use revenge to fish for shield block procs when nothing else
lusty grotto
are you colossus
or thane?
because if youre colossus, you need to be using Revenge a lot more than that
tall rampart
Thane
lusty grotto
especially with big rage influx like with Ravager up and chunking mobs
ok then you're doing it right
as long as TC/TB is on cd
tall rampart
I like the thunder clap
lusty grotto
if you're thane you should only be pressing IP when about to cap
70+ rage
not below it
its a tad more complicated as Colossus
tall rampart
Ok cool, I'll do some runs and see how it goes. Think just experience issue
Cheers for the advice
lusty grotto
so weird, i was away for 2 days and i see way too many thane questions
mighty valley
is this because yoda did one thane stream or something
lusty grotto
what mech is giving you guys problems? just everything?
fernando side? ape side?
fernando is the trex's name, and he will stay fernando to me for as long as WoW lasts
solid sun
Why Fernando
pallid quiver
love as large as brontosaurus
ionic nimbus
KEKW
round cliff
what mech is giving you guys problems? just everything?
im not sure exactly
reptar side seems pretty good tho
and then monke side seems like it's going good but then somebody sniffs glue and drops a puddle where it shouldn't be
lusty grotto
torq side is just aids
cause people just murder each other by panic moving
oh you mean adds
oof
are they stacking on the wall?
round cliff
when possible yea
but sometimes u get the adds that spawn in uzbekistan and people try too hard to get to the wall and then they expire in the worst spot
lusty grotto
that kinda happens to toy kickers
round cliff
we're not stacking on wall, tho
we're stacking on tank and moving as necessary for the adds or the thunderdrum
round cliff
yea we have toy kickers, two bm hunters
they're fine
lusty grotto
and of course the fucking greedy ass feral druid that always murders me
that is NEVER at the wall
and always on Torq's ass
round cliff
if adds spawn on the wall i do my best to leap to em to pop em em instantly
feels right
round cliff
adds don't spawn on people tho
lusty grotto
ideally you move together as a group
no
but they tend to favor the wall
if youre stacked at the wall
lusty grotto
or relatively close to it so that youre not screwed by electric ground shit all over
at the wall
lol
its a fast dance
stack at wall, move to avoid swirlies, reposition (back where you started)
stand still
adds pop, people or you pop em
rinse and repeat
lusty grotto
yes
round cliff
and where are u stacking if the wall is all electrified
lusty grotto
right beside it
lusty grotto
right beside the electrified ground, i mean
round cliff
yea
lusty grotto
you move for swirlies and go right back to that spot
stand still for a bit to reduce the moving meter etc
round cliff
yea i gotcha
round cliff
u live in prot channel and u dont play prot?
lusty grotto
but we have way too many melee to begin with, so thats probably half of the reason
i dont raid as prot, no
i tank from time to time, but not full time
same as Nome
i never dps keys though
ever, as warrior
its just easier to find guilds/groups as dps
tanks are usually hard locked
lusty grotto
and arms is fun in its own right
round cliff
tanking keys but dpsing raid feels bad
lusty grotto
nah
round cliff
don't like it
lusty grotto
tanking raids is usually stupidly boring
im not against it, but again
its easier to find guild/groups as dps
by a wide margin
round cliff
the only dps i want to play in raid is bm hunter so i can be forced to do all the mechanics
sounds fun
how i yearn to be a toy kicker on cauldron
round cliff
i loved ducking so much in amidrassil lol
lusty grotto
i had to do it a couple of times as ret
round cliff
i just love doing mechanics that have variance to them
lusty grotto
cause our duckers were missing
round cliff
you have to adapt and it's fun
lusty grotto
yeah youre not wrong
round cliff
like ducks or toys
i might level my hunter for this reason
plus i like pet classes cuz pets are fun from a flavor perspective idk im easily swayed by things
like this
opaque snow
bm is in a good spot now, the other two specs are good too
killing world bosses solo on bm is always fun
tranquil sluice
plus i like pet classes cuz pets are fun from a flavor perspective idk im easily...
getting pets that match your transmog is 💯
sharp gale
tanking raids is usually stupidly boring
Tbf this one is pretty fun
Sprocket is goated boss
The first 3 is usual first 3, target dummy for the tank (and the dps), and I like doing balls on stix
(For stix I did version 2 dk tank, 1 dk tank/pal both do balls and dk tank/war i do all balls)
shy rock
Hi. I my boots/feet are currently an ilvl 629 veteran item (which is by far my lowest item), should I craft Sanctified Steps or Everforged Sabatons? Thank you.
lusty grotto
perma embelishes are a nono
slender bison
Damn, warr talents are perfect . Devs are focusing on aesthetics
slender bison
Warbreaker is much more fun than demolish
Demolish is a giga hammer but sounds like an engarde sword slash
Or shield slam eggs frying pan
lusty grotto
i mean
you have both in M+ specs
but yeah the CS sound is satisfying
the 11.1 graphic was just too much
or animation, rather
idk who posted it but someone put a 20-30 mob warbreaker and it astro-fucked a pc
a gif
slender bison
Weird, I smashed some Cinder with my arms and it was chill
round cliff
idk who posted it but someone put a 20-30 mob warbreaker and it astro-fucked a p...
huh?
i didn't know it scaled based on number of mobs
i wanna see this now
remote dawn
whats the best def trinkets? Chrombasti, RingingMud and Tome?
and whats the better use Mud or Chrombasti?
indigo hawk
IP is largely irrelevant to you living
So I did the math 
For Pierce Armor on the first boss of priory, I toke a +16 from a warrior prot :
Pierce Armor Damage : 511m dmg
Pierce Armor Damage after Damage Reduction (DR) : 190m dmg
=> 63% DR
Dmg absorbed after mitigation :
Pierce Armor Dmg after mitigation : 190m Dmg total
Pierce Armor Dmg after mitigation and self healing : 116m Dmg
=> 74m dmg healed overall
71.5% of healing come from Ignore Pain
=> 53m dmg healed by IP
DR from IP for Pierce Armor = 10.4% DR
I really don't think we can say that IP is irrelevant when it does 10% DR on Pierce Armor during all the fight and our biggest DR is 40% for the Prot Warrior.
I saw that in average, Warrior Prot doing this boss in +16 cast IP 40 time.
In the other hand, you pressed IP 28 times in your +14.
You think what you want of that but you got the numbers now. 
indigo hawk
or just push it whenever in my rotation
Tracking it is very important, you need to know the amount and the time when he gonna fade
I use this personally : https://wago.io/ExbBTpeRR
coral sonnet
cheers
slender bison
So I did the math <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
For Pierce Armor on the fir...
Thanks. Saying IP is not crucial in high keys means you either have stellar heals/groups or are just giga geared doing 10s or something. You basically get deleted without it
chilly brook
So I did the math <:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
For Pierce Armor on the fir...
Brother you're actually still on this? You literally agreed with my point when someone else said it.....
No one said it wasn't helpful
Or that it made no difference
elfin ginkgo
I gotta admit im a little confused about the whole IP discussion... according to the tooltip, IP reduces damage taken by 50% until a certain amount of damage has been prevented. This to me reads like a 50% damage reduction given enough rage, which seems huge during moments like the priory 1st boss bleed. I know it reduces the total amount of rage gained, but it seems 50% damage reduction during high rage (e.g. hero on big pulls or when ravager and avatar are up) moments seems BIG
chilly brook
I gotta admit im a little confused about the whole IP discussion... according to...
it's just an absorb
functionally the same as if it absorbed 5m all at once, it just does it where it takes half of whatever damage is incoming until it hits the aborb amount
elfin ginkgo
Well it smoothes damage intake by a lot right, which is super nice for your healer.
I am coming from prot pala which just gets CHUNKED and it is really annoying to deal with sometimes
chilly brook
yes it's great at smoothing damage
coral sonnet
hey guys im coming from bdk main, trying to find buttons that match ... whats the equivalen to vampiric blood for prot warrior?
aka most used defensive button outside of usual mitigation like IP and SB
chilly brook
I just don't know why this guy is so fixated on this
coral sonnet
ardent defender for prot pally etc
elfin ginkgo
Shield wall
chilly brook
He literally agreed with my statement (when it came from someone else) and is now typing up a disseration
coral sonnet
pretty long CD tho is that the ur most used one?
indigo hawk
I just don't know why this guy is so fixated on this
I'm not fixated ? I just don't like people telling thing without proof, and it was waht we did last night, now don't be scared of number man, they don't hurt
elfin ginkgo
A lot of cd reduction through talents and shit
chilly brook
do I need to track ignore pain?
Tbh you really don't need to track it, it can be helpful but you really don't need to
indigo hawk
I never said i agree with you, I aggre with the statement the man did, but telling to people how don't know the game "IP is largelly irrelevant" is for me a mistake, that's all
chilly brook
I never said i agree with you, I aggre with the statement the man did, but telli...
he literally said exactly what I said
slender bison
If you're getting BigMomma casting 3rd Electrocrush and you don't have IP you die. Who says otherwise has memory from their 8s or 10s
chilly brook
he just summed it up in one statement instead of over the course of the argument
coral sonnet
do I ever cast rend or slam as colossus?
chilly brook
I never said i agree with you, I aggre with the statement the man did, but telli...
also comparing a 14 to a 16 is kinda weird?
boss going to live longer meaning more IP casts naturally
slender bison
do I ever cast rend or slam as colossus?
No, TC casts Rend for you. Never Slam
coral sonnet
love you cheers
indigo hawk
also comparing a 14 to a 16 is kinda weird?
yeah comparing have limite
indigo hawk
But don't get offended because I tried to prouve something on a discord that is made for that, that's a bit weird...
chilly brook
But don't get offended because I tried to prouve something on a discord that is ...
at this point you're arguing against a point I never made
At no point did I say " you don't press it"
or that it wasn't helpful
indigo hawk
I never said yoo that you said to never press it ? why you say that ?
chilly brook
And I literally said the same thing that Rhino did a couple minutes before he did and then you agree with Rhino when he said the same thing I did in a more concise way
indigo hawk
man i told i was confuse, i'm not fluant in english and though he told something else
slender bison
Guys you're talking in circles, take a smoke break
indigo hawk
nvm it's just ego here, i just wanted to prove that IP can be relevant, now you take it or not idc
chilly brook
I mean this conversation was done 10 hours ago until he came back to this conversation
IP is helpful, it is not what is going to save you
slender bison
My 670 healer will
chilly brook
pretty much
your job is to make your healers life as easy as possible, overfixating on IP while it might seem helpful is counter to that
tropic star
since i try learning Prot warri why is pressing IP too much bad?
tryed scrolling up but its a crazy convo xD
indigo hawk
since i try learning Prot warri why is pressing IP too much bad?
IP is not good or bad, it's just part of your defensive/rotation. You use it to no overcap rage or when you gonna die if you don't use it. That's all, it's not "good" or "bad"
tropic star
my guild trying to form a push grp is prot War a good choice atm? or isnt a way around VDH atm ?
indigo hawk
It's like people telling you that Veteran (BSV) is bad and for noob player. It's just an other defensive that can help you and you can rotate your defensives around it, that's all
elfin ginkgo
In short: it costs rage, which you dont have an endless supply of. You have to choose between IP and revenge. Other than doing more damage, which kills shit faster (death is the best form of cc), it also resets shield slam which is your main rage generator. So pressing IP too much is bad because sooner or later you will run out of rage which means you cant press anything at all.
echo arrow
Hey guys, we are doing some progress on Rik Reverb MM (first night yesterday => 15%)
We are running 3 tanks to do that, and i'm assign to soak the pillar as much as possible.
It's hurting like a truck, i'm taking 6m / seconds when i'm around 15-17 stack. So, ofc i'm trying to save my CD's for 10+ stacks...
The problems i'm facing is the lack of defensive and self healing, even when i'm full rage I can't ignore pain enough.
Any advice ? I'm feeling like war prot is not a good fit for that
indigo hawk
my guild trying to form a push grp is prot War a good choice atm? or isnt a way ...
Depending your goal but for medium to high level he is pretty good (not optimal for first pusher)
elfin ginkgo
my guild trying to form a push grp is prot War a good choice atm? or isnt a way ...
I think the main benefit of VDH is all the weird ass skips you can do with it. It also pairs really well with boomie because of the voetex lunar beam and because of the 5%magic buff
tropic star
goal is to come close to title range @indigo hawk
im the only one in the team with tank exp so im kinda torn atm
elfin ginkgo
If you are going the meta comp of boomie mage/sham DK disc/sham then yeah VDH is better Dont know exactly how much better
tropic star
is it just a dmg thing for the buff or is vdh just that much tankier and self sustained
elfin ginkgo
Vdh healing scales with number of mobs, which is nice
I dont know if it is much tankier
indigo hawk
Hey guys, we are doing some progress on Rik Reverb MM (first night yesterday => ...
You should keep your defensives for the last tick who hurt the most. In the excel of blockable damage, we can see that the Lingering Voltage (the dmg you take on the soak) is blockable, so use it as much as possible and for the last tick, use Shield wall and spell reflect (it reduce magic dmg to 25%). Otherwise, try to call for external when you are on 12+ stack if you got nothing else. You can play BSV too to use the -80% when it proc
elfin ginkgo
The silence being reduced from 4 to 2 seconds hurts quite a bit though, for vdh
chilly brook
since i try learning Prot warri why is pressing IP too much bad?
Pressing IP too much will kill your rage economy. If you have no rage to spend on revenge during free globals you will end up in a spot where you have nothing to generate rage available and if you don't have those available and you're under 20 rage it's big sad time for warrior
chilly brook
The silence being reduced from 4 to 2 seconds hurts quite a bit though, for vdh
not really tbh
as long as the silence functions as a kick (which it does) it's really a pretty negligible difference
thorn patio
Pretty much hurts them in pugs and makes 0 difference in organized groups
elfin ginkgo
Hmm ok
echo arrow
You should keep your defensives for the last tick who hurt the most. In the exce...
oh ? it's blocable, I didn't notice !
So Spell Block is kinda huge there
echo arrow
Maybe a dumb question, i'm fury/arm as main, do I have to have both spell block & shield block to block spells or only spell block ?
elfin ginkgo
Both
Shield block increases your block chance
Spell block gives you the ability to
echo arrow
tyvm
Does this look like a good plan for maximum solo soaking of rik ? I'm not really supposed to tank boss
jagged pier
i mean they kind of fixed that strat
u cant fudge the stack anymore
we also are by far the worst tank to do it mostly
but sure i guess its okay
you'd also just run thane because it gets easier access to rage for IP for soaking
and still run IO over UF imo
echo arrow
How are you guys doing Rik, 2 tank, 3 heals and everybody do the fucking mechanics don't try to cheese your way into mythic ? 😄
jagged pier
no the cheese got fixed
so 3 tanking doesnt work anymore really ppl still do it 
but it doesnt work anywhere close to the same
as dps still need to soak pillars
just 2 tank 4 heal
ppl need to soak as well as the tanks not tanking
remote anchor
so 3 tanking doesnt work anymore really ppl still do it <:shruge:111120434283022...
im playing as 3rd tank
only time i need 2nd tank to help is end of p2
dps just soak the pillar that they break
echo arrow
That s what we are doing as well. Dps soak what they break and starting second p1 one dps Empty the first pillar (3 ticks) so i don t start my debuff too soon
remote anchor
i just swap with 1 of the other tanks halfway through p2
and tank the boss for a bit
honestly most important thing is making your dps swap to barrels and not getting mcd
pillar soaking was never an issue for us
echo arrow
Yeah, we're not in "big trouble" aswell, 15% in 2 hours, boss is pretty much dead, but i'm always searching to be a better raider 🙂
fair beacon
Yo. Question: if I wanna live log across multiple groups, do I have to enable live logging before each group or can I enable live logging once and it does its thing despite any groups I swap for different bosses?
spring cedar
once
fair beacon
thanks mate 🙂
spring cedar
as long as you dont stop logging, it just keeps on tracking
covert helm
so 3 tanking doesnt work anymore really ppl still do it <:shruge:111120434283022...
3 tank still works fine, just a tad more sketchy to do it as non-prot pala compared to b4 the change I suppose
sharp gale
no the cheese got fixed
When it got fixed ? We did 3 tank last week idk
And this week too
jagged pier
like 3 weeks ago
sharp gale
Oh you mean the max stack change ?
jagged pier
as i said the cheese doesnt work anymore 3 tanks still work its just not as important anymore
jagged pier
Oh you mean the max stack change ?
no the step in in out so not even get stacks
the max stack was changed even longer ago
sharp gale
I didn’t even know there was a thing to not get stacks, our bear druid just has 30 stacks at the end of the phase
indigo hawk
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZRmJyrbvhQaqPVBf?fight=69&type=auras&spells...
wtf 32 stack...
At 16 i'm like "every tick gonna kill me..."
jagged pier
again as i also said earlier we are like the worse tank to be doing the job
strong forum
Nah bdk and vdh is worse
We atleast have d-stance, sw and Sr
Ppal and bear are the best
Bear takes more healing from healers, pally can wog
But 30-40 stacks is normal
sharp gale
wtf 32 stack...
The only time someone other than our 3rd tank interact with the amplifier is when the two explode the shield, they both click for 4 stacks
indigo hawk
We don't really have problem as 2 tank, when the other tank have aggro I go discharge, and when i take aggro back he go discharge too
rancid tiger
How are you guys doing Rik, 2 tank, 3 heals and everybody do the fucking mechani...
How was itnfixxed? We still prog with 3
idle copper
whats the best order for doing the corridors once you go down in ToP
strong forum
i like melee > disease > ghost
idle copper
thank you
tribal wharf
back in SL i always did arena boss, teleport, then abombination
interchangable 3/4
arena trash is easy, teleports is hard
strong forum
not anymore
tribal wharf
i always had to resort to bad practices to not get merced on the final tp
actions towards aoe cc, instead of shield block and slam
cuz it was 3.5 kicks on the pull or you'd wipe, like 2.5 on fort
unborn island
I have started doing the first PvP miniboss, then going to gorechop so that I have lust for gorechop
tribal wharf
in past i wanted lust for final boss
to reduce the amount of time spent in phase 3 with charging ghosts
and i think i read now you cant even reflect it any more
that boss, reaping scythe some shit
does fuck load of dmg in SL
unborn island
Yeah, in a high enough key you get 4 lists
Lusts*
The last one is almost always Mordretha P2
If you don't have lust it's because you've finished the key 🙂
I'm always a bit unsure about lust on xav, because I'm not sure you get everyone up top for long enough to warrant it?
solid sun
That’s how I’ve always felt
I value lust on the first boss, the abomination, and p2 last boss most
tropic star
Nah bdk and vdh is worse
spellblock doing a lot of heavy lifting as well.
coral sonnet
Why do a lot of prot warriors in top io run haste vers crafted gear? Thought crit haste was what we wanted
tropic star
high keys you are pushing the limits of survivability. verse generally better for that
round pendant
Why do a lot of prot warriors in top io run haste vers crafted gear? Thought cri...
There's very very little different between crit and verse
some people just find crit more fun
coral sonnet
interesting
warm plinth
Its normal for high key wars to stack vers but it's needless
And vers costs a lot more
700 rating for 1% crit, 1560 for 1% dr from vers
frosty mango
I’m just now moving past the 14 realm and I really thought this would be a nonissue by now but is it normal that people just dont kick?
Im regularly like 3x the amount of kicks as others
frosty mango
Priory is the worst, there’s a billion kicks in there….if I end at 55-60 kicks I’m expecting at least 30 from a dps….not 15, especially when people are getting cranked by smites
warm plinth
Where are you looking at the kicks
woven radish
Priory is the worst, there’s a billion kicks in there….if I end at 55-60 kicks I...
Experiencing similar myself. I'll end a run at like near 30 kicks, and will have another short kick class at only like 9
frosty mango
Where are you looking at the kicks
Details and logs
Logs show a lot of folks do overlap, but there are plenty of incidences where they just….dont kick
woven radish
New details plugin also shows successful vs total kicks
frosty mango
If we get blown up by a missed kick when I go look at logs I would say 90% of the time someone’s kick was not on cd
woven radish
Along with cc/stun used
frosty mango
Or their stop wasn’t on cd, or we
Monks who never use rop, priests who don’t fear, etc
I expect this in a 10 but I didn’t expect that it wouldn’t get better in the 14/15 range
woven radish
Had similar issue last night in priory, bricked to a volley going off, as we were all dying i saw 2 kicks off cd 🫠
gloomy glade
playing a bit of arms and prot is it fine to craft 2x dawnthread?
woven radish
Yyes
remote dawn
whats the best def trinkets? Chrombasti, RingingMud and Tome?
and whats the better use trinket Mud or Chrombasti?
solid sun
I like Mud because of the flavor
And that’s a message I don’t think I ever thought I’d say
unborn island
Monks who *never* use rop, priests who don’t fear, etc
Monkeys paw curls - monks now exclusively use ROP to put mobs behind you.
remote dawn
ok so bomb better than the mud
frosty mango
Monkeys paw curls - monks now exclusively use ROP to put mobs behind you.
lol fair and true
night sparrow
i was gonna ask if spell block was even that useful.. then i just went and looked at he spreadsheet.. and will be using this button ALL THE DAMN TIME now.
quick spruce
Why don’t they just bake shield block into shield slam like pallys have for shield of the righteous
long bronze
cuz that would be fucking lame
quick spruce
Is it? You can already macro it to shield slam and get 99% uptime
quick spruce
i was gonna ask if spell block was even that useful.. then i just went and looke...
Where’s the spreadsheet?
night sparrow
If you go to the Protection-Faq channel, its the spell reflect spreadsheet link there
warm plinth
Its also pinned
night sparrow
actually.. its in th epins here
quick spruce
I’m discord illiterate on mobile I can’t find pins I’ll go check the channel thank you
long bronze
discord mobile is an abomination I don't blame you
warm plinth
For future reference, tap on the channel name at the top, then the pins
long bronze
Is it? You can already macro it to shield slam and get 99% uptime
sure I guess but this is a bad habit because depending on talents 100% uptime isn't possible and you need to bank charges for active tanking
frosty mango
Is it? You can already macro it to shield slam and get 99% uptime
Don’t do this
long bronze
having some skill expression is actually nice
frosty mango
It will work fine when you’re playing battering ram but when you eventually need to drop that for bsv, you will end up with large swaths of downtime where you’re getting trucked bc you did not use it intelligently
warm plinth
Yeah you will have downtime doing that and it will bite you in the ass.
frosty mango
And then you will also have no muscle memory for pressing shield block
So you will doubly get shit on
warm plinth
Battering ram doesn't give shield block uptime
frosty mango
What’s the other one
long bronze
enduring defense or something like that
long bronze
the massacre choice node
frosty mango
Whatever the talent is if you macro them it will be a net negative once you’re high enough
Especially on fights where you need to leave melee and your rage gen plummets
quick spruce
I hear you, trust me, I hear you, but for the content most people are doing (heroic/m10) macroing shield block to shield slam isn’t going to be a detriment to your play.
long bronze
well it's more your haste plummets if you have to leave melee
warm plinth
You say that until you fall over because it dropped at a bad time
long bronze
because you drop your 5 itf stacks
frosty mango
I hear you, trust me, I hear you, but for the content most people are doing (her...
This isn’t true
supple meadow
Someone told me this trinket goes crazy for prot
long bronze
that person is stupid
warm plinth
Like you might survive downtime due to natural block chance, but you can also just fall over instantly
quick spruce
Someone told me this trinket goes crazy for prot
I love ringing ritual mud, it’s a great defensive trinket
frosty mango
It is absolutely a detriment to your play. It will not block you from getting keys completed but that’s because you’re being carried by your healer when you are getting blasted with no shield block up
long bronze
if you have to play that trinket below a 15 you have other issues to sort out
and then you play bombsuit, not that abomination
supple meadow
But if you don't have bis, is it a good alternative?
quick spruce
if you have to play that trinket below a 15 you have other issues to sort out
Alot of people have issues, not everyone is capable of perfect play, or playing with a static team, sometimes your pugs are bad.
urban bane
I hear you when you say it is fine in heroic and m10 but yeah as others have said, it is a pretty big detriment to your performance and play. maybe the barrier to overcome isnt as big in m10 and heroic, sure, but you will not do as much damage and you will not be able to survive as well
Just a bad habit to get into
supple meadow
That's understandable
frosty mango
Shield block uptime is a good stat to track - but it doesn’t really help you understand why it’s detrimental. 95% uptime is great sure, being able to control when the 5% downtime happens is the important part
quick spruce
I hear you when you say it is fine in heroic and m10 but yeah as others have sai...
What leads you to not doing as Much damage?
long bronze
I guess it's your character if you want to lose hundreds of thousands of dps because you refuse to learn to play better and need a crutch go for it
urban bane
Macroing shield slam and shield block is like not washing your hands after you wipe your ass. Just because you don't eat shit once or twice doesn't mean it is good hygiene
warm plinth
Shield block increases shield slam damage
frosty mango
Macroing shield slam and shield block is like not washing your hands after you ...
What if I have a bidet
urban bane
Touche
frosty mango
warm plinth
I should get a bidet
frosty mango
I should get a bidet
Yes you should
warm plinth
But I need a warm one
frosty mango
30 dollars on Amazon change your life
long bronze
I'm sure 90% of people running mud have 1/4 of their potential SW casts too
warm plinth
Do I gotta do anything weird to hook it up? I'm half stupid
frosty mango
Do I gotta do anything weird to hook it up? I'm half stupid
You can use a phone so no you’ll be fine
raven perch
Do any of you find yourselves fury starved? Or is that just me. Ive tanked almost all 14s so far, but as you go into the 15s I feel like I am just stuck standing there with no fury to refresh IP and all abilities on cooldown. I feel like it happens too often.
solid sun
Tbh I don’t think telling people to “just use bombsuit” instead of mud is particularly helpful because you can’t necessarily “just go get bombsuit”
frosty mango
Do any of you find yourselves fury starved? Or is that just me. Ive tanked almos...
You’re either not in melee range or not pressing shield slam enough
long bronze
Listen
warm plinth
Or overpressing IP
long bronze
If you're doing content where running a defense trinket makes sense
And you can't kill heroic or even normal gally every week
raven perch
That's probably true, from being a hard thane player its hard to break the habit of pressing it more than needed
solid sun
Doesn’t matter
frosty mango
If you're doing content where running a defense trinket makes sense
Fair but people doing content where they’d need a heroic bomb suit are probably going to be able to get a heroic bomb suit
warm plinth
Yeah its an adjustment im still working on myself Holgo
long bronze
That's exactly what I just said
frosty mango
That's exactly what I just said
I’m bad at reading queue Bobby hill window meme
long bronze
Normal bombsuit is better than mythic mud
solid sun
We also just had people talking about how sometimes people feeling more comfy often times play better and Roidberg who is a good player just said earlier today mud is a good alternative to bombsuit so if somebody wants to use mud and can’t just “go get a bombsuit” but has mud that’s fine
warm plinth
He's bad at reading but uses the harder to spell cue smh
long bronze
If you fucked up bad enough the extra absorb saves you vs the shorter cd on bombsuit I'm sorry you just need to get better
frosty mango
We also just had people talking about how sometimes people feeling more comfy of...
It is a good alternative
frosty mango
If you need a defensive trinket and you do not have a bomb suit then it is the best alternative prob?
long bronze
Because it's the only one that exists
Doesn't make it good
And you provably don't need a defensive trinket
warm plinth
I feel like we're just arguing semantics at this point
quick spruce
Lmao this guy
frosty mango
But that being said if you need a defensive trinket you will almost certainly be playing at a level where you can get a bombsuit….eventually
frosty mango
We also just had people talking about how sometimes people feeling more comfy of...
I never claimed to be good don’t you put that on me
long bronze
Show me a single log below a 15 where a situation was unlivable without mud or bombsuit
solid sun
Too late you’re good
warm plinth
Sometimes you just want a defensive trinket. It's very common for people who don't "need" defensive trinkets to want them anyway. If it makes them comfortable then who cares
long bronze
And I'll change my opinion and say sorry
frosty mango
Sometimes you just want a defensive trinket. It's very common for people who do...
Tbf I care when they’re in my fourth alts 10 key doing 400k dps and I am running from the mobs I pulled aggro on
quick spruce
You’d just move the goalpost and say it was survivable if they didn’t macro shield block to shield slam 😂
solid sun
If someone feels more comfortable with a defensive trinket on and plays better as a result then that’s a good thing
long bronze
Stop projecting buddy
warm plinth
The use of a defensive trinket isn't what's causing them to do 700k dps
solid sun
Disc priests literally lose hundreds of thousands of dps to play Oracle
warm plinth
Or 400k w/e
solid sun
Feeling comfy can be good
supple meadow
Im sorry I caused such a stir 💀💀
frosty mango
From now on if I invite a tank that has mud equipped I’m kicking them
Indicative of skill issue
supple meadow
From now on if I invite a tank that has mud equipped I’m kicking them
That's understandable
warm plinth
I'm gonna kick tanks that have bombsuit out of principle
frosty mango
No defensive trinkets
supple meadow
No trinkets at all
tall gorge
I'm gonna kick tanks that have bombsuit out of principle
Just kick tanks who wear trinkets in general
warm plinth
Now we're talking
supple meadow
Just kick tanks who wear trinkets in general
This guy gets it
warm plinth
Trinkets are a crutch
warm plinth
frosty mango
An angry screaming naked man, carrying only a large piece of plywood fashioned as a shield and a crooked stick. Peak tank vibes
solid sun
Should be pressing slam
long bronze
You could in bfa
supple meadow
An angry screaming naked man, carrying only a large piece of plywood fashioned a...
Naked orc using broken sword and plank shield
warm plinth
Only warriors using the wooden plank shield from bloodborne
supple meadow
I actually had that as a tmog in SL 🤣
warm plinth
Solid mog tbh
frosty mango
Ok we’re back to sub quality shitposting I can go back to work
Had to get us back on the rails there
long bronze
Naowh had a video on YouTube of doing a high key with just a shield on. Too bad his youtube got deleted cuz he streamed himself having a little personal fun time
warm plinth
We were on topic for a distressingly long time
tall gorge
Naowh had a video on YouTube of doing a high key with just a shield on. Too bad ...
When warriors were actually broken
strong forum
Uhm
quick spruce
Can I macro, shield, slam, shield, block, and spell block to one button?
strong forum
Sorry to burst your bubble but we are currently stronger than warri in that video
frosty mango
Sorry to burst your bubble but we are currently stronger than warri in that vide...
No we’re not, we’re f tier, revert nerfs now
strong forum
And he still had max ilvl shield, in a dungeon with 0 tank dmg, and after 3 attempts
frosty mango
We’re not crying hard enough
trail ibex
hey currently starting of as prot warrior and trying to tank some 13-14 but i feel squishy despite 665 and someone told me i should try mountain thane because its tankier, is that true? because no one on murlok io pretty much plays it XD
warm plinth
Yeah wasn't he doing court?
strong forum
Ye
He also did the same thing in bfa in freehold
Only a few prime items + weappn/shield
frosty mango
hey currently starting of as prot warrior and trying to tank some 13-14 but i fe...
It’s not tankier by just swapping to it, for the most part
long bronze
he was probably wearing mud, that filthy cheater
frosty mango
If you feel squishy it’s likely a play issue, prob shield block uptime
Can I offer you a ringing ritual mud to ease your pain? /s
strong forum
Feeling squishy comes mostly from lack of knowledge
frosty mango
Post a few logs, you should get some good feedback to help
strong forum
Either from not knowing the encounter or the spec
Can't feel squishy if you know how when and why you lost hp 😉
warm plinth
I feel squishy because im fat
frosty mango
From a purely technical perspective you can only be squishy if your health comes back up, if it just goes down (to zero) then you are soft
small steeple
From a purely technical perspective you can only be squishy if your health comes...
squishy to the point of plastic deformation
frosty mango
Instructions unclear, squished too far
trail ibex
Can't feel squishy if you know how when and why you lost hp 😉
yeah thats most likely the problem on prot i have in m+ XD like i played arms before and now tried to tanke 13-14 today after crafting some gear and for the most part its fine but sometimes its awful, i spam shieldblock and shield charge on cd but maybe i dont use ignore pain enough? i just spam revenge to be honest
frosty mango
yeah thats most likely the problem on prot i have in m+ XD like i played arms be...
So that’s your problem
long bronze
yeah thats most likely the problem on prot i have in m+ XD like i played arms be...
sounds good to me
frosty mango
Spamming it on cooldown is gonna leave gaps on your uptime
No shield block = dishonor to your family
frosty mango
The prot faq has a good write up on it, but also post logs and you’ll get a lot of help
strong forum
While tanking is getting easier every patch, it's not that easy if you just yolo into 14s immediately
trail ibex
didnt log the few runs i did but can do the next time i do it 😄
trail ibex
While tanking is getting easier every patch, it's not *that* easy if you just yo...
resilient keys changed me what can i say XD
strong forum
Ye
long bronze
I would guess, if there is one thing you're not doing is keeping up with SS resets
it'll crater your rage gen
strong forum
Resilient keys offer people to actually TRY things in a Video game
Crazy thing blizzard discovered
Only took them 4 expansions
strong forum
Legion, bfa, SL, df
long bronze
trail ibex
I would guess, if there is one thing you're not doing is keeping up with SS rese...
so i guess shieldblock 100% uptime, shield slam on cd, thunderclap on cd, ignore pain 100% uptime and THAN revenge? should probably read a guide instead of asking XD
long bronze
I mean
strong forum
long bronze
not exactly
unborn island
If you're playing Thane
frosty mango
Ignore pain won’t be 100%
unborn island
But also what they said about IP 🙂
solid sun
Stop roidberg you aren’t even good
frosty mango
The basics are strive to keep shield block up WHILE you’re in combat, always press shield slam when it’s up
frosty mango
Stop roidberg you aren’t even good
Those that can’t do, teach
solid sun
I’m jk Lookit how good you are
frosty mango
Why you think I’m here and not playing
Actually rn I’m looking for my pants which seem to have disappeared
solid sun
I hate when my pants depart
trail ibex
The basics are strive to keep shield block up WHILE you’re in combat, always pre...
cool that is a quick fix i have to do.. when it came to bigger pulls i only used shield slam when i didnt have rage or anything else ready
frosty mango
Shield slam is life
long bronze
SB 100% uptime when you're getting meleed, shield slam on CD (it resets) is your highest prio button, use your free revenges, IP @ > 70 rage, Actually use your CDs on CD (SW, DS, etc). Actually Use impending victory it's goated. Don't get hit in the ass
frosty mango
Can we add a section to the prot guide about getting hit in the back
In like size 72 font
solid sun
Yeah I was watching a prot on YouTube and everytime they turned their back I had a miniature panic attack
long bronze
I posted this yesterday but this shit makes my blood boil
trail ibex
SB 100% uptime when you're getting meleed, shield slam on CD (it resets) is your...
yeah using DS as a defensive might help as well i mostly used it for dps XD
solid sun
They may have been running mud though so that might be a strat I’m unfamiliar with :)
long bronze
free butt melee courtesy of blizzard's spaghetti code
mighty valley
yeah using DS as a defensive might help as well i mostly used it for dps XD
nah press demo on CD... mostly
frosty mango
I posted this yesterday but this shit makes my blood boil
I charged the rookery boss today and it charged me off the platform then the boss glitched into the floor and his lightning wheel was vertical
Like it was so impressively bad
long bronze
yeah using DS as a defensive might help as well i mostly used it for dps XD
you just hit it on CD you really don't need to think about it more then that
frosty mango
I wasn’t even mad
long bronze
lots of people just sit on SW too, which is stupid because we have two charges, it gets CDR, and is a DPS cd
solid sun
So good at the video game you’re creating new boss killing strats
trail ibex
thanks for the help guys, gonna fix the rotational issues than 😄 my warrior is 665 so i ran out of excuses for being squishy xD
long bronze
also make sure you're in dstance lol
frosty mango
also make sure you're in dstance lol
That’s a dps loss that only mud enjoyers do (this is sarcasm)
long bronze
like if you have a button from arms that switches to dstance and you press that thing as prot on accident and don't have anything telling you about it
frosty mango
I have to flag all my sarcasm now lest we mislead the younglings
long bronze
I did a 13 or 12 priory in bstance the 2nd or 3rd week
it was amusing but not worth it
solid sun
If I could run double mud I’d take off my tome and pacemaker
trail ibex
oh yeah i am always in dstance, i have a button that changes it for arms but i dont have it on prot because why would i
solid sun
Just wallow in how immortal I’d be
long bronze
if mud gave you 16% DR this would be funnier
instead it'll give you like 40k hps over a dungeon if used on CD
so
solid sun
Just to clarify because eventually roidberg is gonna target me, I don’t use mud
frosty mango
Just bring back dreadplate
Trinket is ez when it’s both the best defensive and offensive option
trail ibex
so i guess the ringing ritual mud is good or what ? xD
long bronze
trinkets that give stats are defensive too
frosty mango
so i guess the ringing ritual mud is good or what ? xD
Don’t say that
steady mason
We’re back to this?
frosty mango
Talking about the value of ritual mud is heresy
trail ibex
well people here seem to talk a lot about it i dont know??
long bronze
its a shitty bombsuit
trail ibex
i have the priory signet and the tome on HC currently xD and the bomb suit on champ track