protection

[strong forum]

is the general consensus

[past lark]

cool, new build for me at least sounds fun

[long bronze]

collosus is fun but be prepared to apologize to your co tank every couple minutes when your avatar, ds, 10 stack demolish crits and rips threat

[frosty mango]

That’s their problem

Taunt gives a fat threat bonus if they can’t hold aggro it’s a skill issue or a massive gear disparity

[pallid quiver]

instructions unclear, called it a healer issue instead

[frosty mango]

Only time I find it to be an issue is when co tank doesn’t pull with taunt

[long bronze]

one of these will certainly do it

[frosty mango]

Nah I don’t care if you crit for 220 million if your co tank is losing threat at the same gear level as you they are not playing correctly

[pallid quiver]

beacon crits from DF have entered the chat

[frosty mango]

Tbf I do think wow should introduce a skill like ffxiv’s shirk to help cover mass threat disparity due to gear and/or skill

[solemn depot]

solid advice. i ended up making it black, and it turns black as soon as i have > 86% stacks, which puts me 1 ignore pain away from proccing it
my prot war UI looks like a christmas tree anyways

[pallid quiver]

it's called pressing taunt again before you need to taunt so DR falls off

[long bronze]

I have a text weakaura that just says outburst ready on my screen, it's small and near the middle but it's distinctive so I can't miss it

but yeah sometimes it's like well, I just need to hit TC cuz my SS won't reset and I've still got multiple seconds on it

[solemn depot]

no i have that, both in bar form (above my rage/IP/SB bars), and an icon in the dynamic buffs group and a TTS that tells me "red"

the problem is when i hear "red" while i've already queued TB/TC after a rage spender

[long bronze]

well if you're thane it's okay to send it in TB

[jagged gust]

If you're playing thane, absolutely send VO on TB

tbh even TC doesn't need that many targets to make it worth

as thane

[long bronze]

it's not the end of the world to send it on TC as colossus, it's just not optimal but if you're at least TRYING to prioritize it into SS you're already ahead of most

mine looks like this

[mighty valley]

with practice outburst never really sneaks up on you any more, you're just generally aware of seeing red stacks

and yeah, on colossus you absolutely just fish for ss resets with revenge

(which you do most of the time anyway)

[round cliff]

i think u totally can if ur tracking seeing red

unless ur exceptionally unlucky w/ rage gen AND that lines up w/ ur seeing red stacks

[long bronze]

I mean sometimes you just need to hit TC because you get outburst when setting up a pull

I'm not gonna let me DPS die cuz I was too greedy to hit TC

[mighty valley]

on pull yeah, sure

[round cliff]

thats what aoe taunt is for

emergencies

[long bronze]

I wouldn't say thats an emergency

[mighty valley]

(me running into a pedestrian on purpose) well this is what emergency services are for

[long bronze]

plus if you're running disrupting using it from aggro is kinda cringe

[strong forum]

if youre going to those lengths youre wasting other things

[long bronze]

for aggro*

[solemn depot]

mine
the icon AND bar are a bit superfluous, i'll just remove the icon ig

[round cliff]

the only thing im doing to play around seeing red and tclap is occasionally pressing ignore pain to quickly top up the seeing red stacks before pressing ss

[solemn depot]

it's the top bar which stays green and starts filling up again if you haven't consumed it yet

[long bronze]

a bar is a good idea to see progress, as long as it's something you watch

[round cliff]

and that'll be immediately refilled by the outburst

[solemn depot]

it's in the middle of my screen, so hard to miss most of the time

[long bronze]

you'd think

[solemn depot]

i would, and sometimes i'd be wrong

[long bronze]

I've had plenty of stuff in the middle of my screen I just straight up ignore cuz I'm a sentient rock

[solemn depot]

does anyone have a nice luck of the draw bar or do i need to make one from scratch? i just have a glowy icon right now

[long bronze]

do you need to care about it proccing?

what does it change?

[solemn depot]

colossus irl

[long bronze]

you still prio SS

[solemn depot]

i fish harder for SS as thane?

[mighty valley]

• bar's for a buff called seeing red
• is green

[solemn depot]

green when filled

[mighty valley]

that's when i'm seeing the MOST red

[solemn depot]

but it's red when almost full

i see redder and redder, and then i release my rage in a violent outburst and am kalm/green again

[dusky canopy]

Seeing green

[long bronze]

too many bars for my taste, I'd forget what they were all for

[strong forum]

ye

2 bars max

2 rows of icons max

3 makes it too blocky

[solemn depot]

i prefer an IP bar to an IP icon
same for SB
but might play around with having icons for those 2 at some point

[strong forum]

i dont have icon or bar for IP

just number

[long bronze]

I don't have any icons or bars

just numbers

[round pendant]

I have an IP bar but I don't think I pay any attention to it

[long bronze]

my wow looks like dwarf fortress

[solemn depot]

show me?

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-fortress-dwarf-fortress-dancing-gif-17551611517642318557

[round pendant]

You could get away with never even having IP anywhere

[neon elk]

That’s some eco stuff isnt it

[strong forum]

the red number above my health

[solemn depot]

hey that's what my bars and icon WAs look like during combat

[long bronze]

benefits of being a dps main, this man has a HoC

[strong forum]

vault

[solemn depot]

and SB?

[strong forum]

SB is icon in the center which is glowing

cuz its the single most important one

above rage bar

as active buff

[solemn depot]

there is no icon in the center that is glowing

[strong forum]

well duh

lemme find a screenshot

[chilly brook]

sometimes you really don't have any other option

[long bronze]

just link a twitch vod silly

[chilly brook]

sending it on TC isn't even bad in aoe anyways

[runic kestrel]

So heroic Mug'Zee... I back up against the wall, he hits me with molten gold knuckles, I take off running like immediately, but I'm still getting stunned at the end of it. Any idea what I'm doing wrong?

[long bronze]

first off don't back up to the wall

[strong forum]

run more

[chilly brook]

use leap

[strong forum]

you didnt run far enough

[round pendant]

I'll post my WA

[long bronze]

you flying backwards drops gold

[chilly brook]

but also yea don't put your back on the wall lmao

should't be tanking him on the wall

[round cliff]

ive used an outburst when nothing resets, i have no rage, and the only button ill be able to press for the next 4 sec is tclap

but im assuming i misplayed to get to that point

usually

[long bronze]

no sometimes that's just life

SS reset is rng

[chilly brook]

sometimes SS reset is bad

[chilly brook]

and you kinda just have a rage hole

it happens

[long bronze]

if you misplayed RNG you got a real strong opinion of your capabilities

[solemn depot]

aha, a fellow bar person

[runic kestrel]

lol gotcha, we were doing that to save floor space. Knowing leap still drops puddles while I'm in the air is good too. Other tank is a pally and we just couldn't figure it out. Tyty 🫡

[chilly brook]

shouldn't need that space

[jagged gust]

I went like 4 seconds last with, with PI without getting a single SS reset

[long bronze]

see at least theirs are labeled

[chilly brook]

the outside of the room should never be used on the rock side

[jagged gust]

it was torture

[long bronze]

I don't want cognitive load on counting my bars

[solemn depot]

what do i need to label them for if i know which is which? that's unnecessary info and is distracting

[runic kestrel]

oh snap, this is good to know too

[strong forum]

looks like a mix between my and senses ui

[solemn depot]

that's why they're different colors. rage bar is pretty much always red, IP is brown/beige, SB is blue

[long bronze]

yeah that's just on you right, I think it's easier to recognize text or icons than it is to recognize position of bars

[round pendant]

I did look at both of those for inspiration

[long bronze]

but that's how my brain is

[round pendant]

lmao

[long bronze]

smooth, shiny, and cute

if I ever have to mentally pause and think about where to find data on my UI my UI is bad and needs to be changed until that doesn't happen

[cerulean olive]

Guys please tell me, how am i meant to stay alive in priory 15 first boss.

[long bronze]

or I need more practice with it, but that's not been the case in a long time at this point

[cerulean olive]

I cycle my defensives properly, nothing overlaps

[strong forum]

good healer

[cerulean olive]

🙂

[strong forum]

get dispelled 0.1 from magic

[cerulean olive]

priory has broken me

[strong forum]

nothing else you can do

tip

[cerulean olive]

i feel like deleting my warrior tbh

[round pendant]

after about two minutes start screaming

good luck

[chilly brook]

have a good healer, utilize your defensives properly

[strong forum]

not disc

hpal/rdruid

way more useful for us

disc is the worst healer for us

[cerulean olive]

its jsut such a struggle

[long bronze]

classic pwar moment

omega giga meta healer is not good for us

[dusky canopy]

Hpal & Rdruid slept on

[chilly brook]

don't send shield wall until the very end of the cast

[dusky canopy]

I like to bring Rdruid a lot

[chilly brook]

it will cover the whole debuff if you wait

[jagged gust]

when isnt rdruid awesome for us

[strong forum]

it always is

[jagged gust]

rolling dots supplement IP/leech so well

err hots

[chilly brook]

but idk

the 14 priory didn't feel bad

I doubt the 15 would feel much worse

[cerulean olive]

"pay 25€ to race change to dwarf and dispell the bleed yourself"

[chilly brook]

nah

[cerulean olive]

oh boy youre in for a treat

[strong forum]

get a devoker

[chilly brook]

dorf is so bait

nelf so much better in keys this season

[long bronze]

anyone who hasn't tried dragon is lying to themselves

glide is so giga

[cerulean olive]

don't know why but 14 to 15 difference is priory is absolute bonkers

[round pendant]

stoneform is pretty giga for first boss priory

[strong forum]

cuz its the hardest key

[chilly brook]

probably just variance in group

[round pendant]

what's second hardest?

floodgate?

[chilly brook]

Floody G is goated key

[strong forum]

cinderbrew

i think

[long bronze]

warrior good movement in combat, shit movement out of combat when leap is down, glide fixes this

[chilly brook]

Idk I think Rookery now

[jagged gust]

also multiplicative scaling, the next key is always gonna be harder

[chilly brook]

but that's not because anything inside of it is hard

it's just cuz the timer is so aids now

[round pendant]

My favourite dungeons are priory and floodgate this season

[chilly brook]

last boss too much of a time sink to have the timer it has

[round pendant]

and yeah that last boss is obnoxious

[strong forum]

love exponentially scaling bosses!!!

[long bronze]

rookery?

the hallway trash

[strong forum]

last boss scales exponentially because of limited dmg phases

[chilly brook]

Yeah rookery went from the 2nd most free key to the least timed key

[strong forum]

love that shit

[chilly brook]

kinda nuts

[long bronze]

the boss melee can't fucking hit for 50% of

[solemn depot]

what was most free? top?

[chilly brook]

also I heard DFC 3rd boss is wild now

[strong forum]

dfc

[chilly brook]

DFC

[solid sun]

I don’t understand the exponential scaling comment on the last boss of rookery

[long bronze]

He has a shield you need to break

[chilly brook]

boss has giga shield

[long bronze]

shield gets bigger with his HP

[solemn depot]

really? timer-wise i guess, but goddamn that 3rd boss on a 15 would terrify me as a healer

[chilly brook]

you don't deal damage to boss without the shield being broken

health go up, shield go up

[round pendant]

(it's fucking stupid)

[long bronze]

nobody has ever liked a boss with a shield

[solid sun]

I know there’s a shield but isn’t that just another way of increasing the health bar? Or is it like double dipping in the scaling?

[strong forum]

the more HP the boss has, the time you spend inside dealing dmg to the shield and less time damaging the boss health, the more you need to spend CDs to break shield, the less time you get CDs for the burn phases

[long bronze]

just like nobody has ever liked bolstering

[chilly brook]

meaning congrats on a 15 you get to waste another minute breaking the shield even though you left him at 3% on the last damage amp

[long bronze]

but blizzard is stupid and keeps doing it

[strong forum]

its exponential

[cerulean olive]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-solid-v-kaz-kazuhira-miller-flex-arm-flex-gif-10744758

[long bronze]

should've just done more damage, dummy

[cerulean olive]

just to suffa??

[chilly brook]

I mean the boss could be fixed by just making the shield less obnoxious the lower his HP is

[strong forum]

so you spend like 1min on the shield, 20s on burn, 1.5min on shield, 20sec on burn, 1.5min on shield etc etc

[chilly brook]

but hey

[strong forum]

you get more and more shield phases

[solid sun]

Makes sense now thanks

[long bronze]

that trash pack right before the boss is giga buttcheeks too

that overlap is a good time

[solemn depot]

don't you nuke down the caster first?

so there's no overlap

[long bronze]

I mean yeah

[strong forum]

well

[round pendant]

Man Holy Priest fucking sucks

[long bronze]

but I can't nuke a mob by myself

[strong forum]

caster has like 1bil HP in higher keys

[sharp gale]

Shield phase = it takes a long time to kill / like skarmorak in S1

[chilly brook]

I think it's time to use my 14 resilient keys to just farm dps io

might actually get into 15s as fury instead of prot

[solemn depot]

that was a plural "you", as in the group

[long bronze]

holy priest is pretty good now idk my buddy plays it and it's never an issue at all

[cerulean olive]

lmao, maybe i should do the same

[chilly brook]

Skarmorak was at least less obnoxious

[sharp gale]

It is debatable

[chilly brook]

The worst part is the ones I do get into I'm doing pretty aggressive routes and then some silly goose says "we're going so slow"/"this route isn't it" when the UH DK is barely breaking 3m overall despite big boi pulls

[solemn depot]

speaking of holy priest

why is there one in my m+?

[long bronze]

let's just all agree the bees on benk are sometimes annoying as fuck to pick up on colossus pwar and that boss needs to have those bees flying around above it sent to the shadow realm

[cerulean olive]

Glad to see theres another fella suffering the same way...

[round pendant]

I don't really agree

[long bronze]

let me just stop and heroic throw 3 mobs in narnia before they one shot the boomkin with starfall up

[round pendant]

It's noticeably slower and worse in big pulse damage situations

[chilly brook]

or getting to last boss with almost 6m left and then brick on the last boss because people can't do mechanics

[round pendant]

even tho my friend pumps the same if not more HPS as puggers it just feels worse

[chilly brook]

[sharp gale]

You kinda see most classes/spec when you push in pug

Until Meta wasteland

[long bronze]

the buffs to where 3 POH w/ evang is pretty giga idk

[chilly brook]

15 is meta wasteland

probably not as bad if you get past tbh

but

[cerulean olive]

stop i had a good run on priory 15. But our retri pala refused to use bubble when he was about to die (happened 5 times). Went 59sec overtime 🙂

[sharp gale]

I think it is 15, and 16 is pug/team frontier

[chilly brook]

had my 15 ML bricked on last boss with 20% left on the boss and like 2m left in the key, 5 deaths

within 15 seconds

[nocturne spindle]

since embellishments for us are kinda doodoo is this worth using https://www.wowhead.com/item=215133/binding-of-binding#comments

[chilly brook]

people who insist on sitting in the safe spot and then freak out when there's an overlap on the frontal and the missiles are wild

Like the frontal is not that bad

[sharp gale]

I stopped going to the safe spot, it is not a safe spot for pug it seems

[chilly brook]

run through it you will live

you won't live the missiles

[chilly brook]

I usually don't

[long bronze]

razdunk is an idiot and doesn't realize 300 rounds per minute is fuck all

https://tenor.com/view/merica-bald-eagle-eagle-america-american-gif-2277187416326490184

[woven radish]

My issue has been there is anyways that ONE fuckin guy that dies 8 times and bricks the key while everyone else was blasting.

[chilly brook]

me irl fr fr

[sharp gale]

I had 1 mage rip ML14 last boss by vanish first missiles and die from bombard 20 sec after so his missile exploded on everyone

[cerulean olive]

ok ty priory for destroying my CARDBOARD back

[chilly brook]

yeah some idiot just at the homing missle in the whole group

[cerulean olive]

time to go dragon mode...

[long bronze]

dragon homie

unwashed masses don't know

[chilly brook]

NE so good as dps too

[sharp gale]

Gnome

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[cerulean olive]

dragon double jump is GIGA BIS

[long bronze]

based and true

[sharp gale]

Idk I have charge and leap

[chilly brook]

it's nice but meld is so broken

[long bronze]

and then you have to walk like a pleb once your leap is down and you're not in range to charge

[sharp gale]

If I’m not in combat after leap speed falls off, I pull a random pack by frustration

[dusky canopy]

Meld is to good

Also human stun break

[sharp gale]

Gnome

[long bronze]

yeah I'm hoping I don't have to go human for mythic mug

[solid sun]

Human the goat

Someone trying to sabotage you with drills?

Human

You suck a lil bit and do an oopsie that leaves you stunned?

Human

[dusky canopy]

Preach it!

[long bronze]

my dk is a human

I got to double oopsie

[solid sun]

Double oopsie the dream

And everytime you human out of an oopsie you can’t help but smile at your good fortune

[dusky canopy]

It was such a nice to have on rik prog because I found myself trying to cheat once last global before leaving melee range for the coil spawn and sometimes it would catch me and I’d just instantly nope my way out of it lol

And also as mentioned the drill spawns on sprocket when the noob range can’t pre position for the bait

[solid sun]

That’s a parse Strat if I ever heard one

[near salmon]

Hi all. I have one noob question. Is it okay to believe the shield block uptime shown in details addon after a dungeon is done?

[dusky canopy]

Uptime does not matter at all

[long bronze]

eh the rik stun is kinda a non issue cuz he doesn't move for 2 seconds anyways and you just get knocked to the next spot

[dusky canopy]

You want to upload a log

[long bronze]

ideally not get hit by it but

meh

[dusky canopy]

And check for “blocked hits”

[near salmon]

Alright. Thank you! And how much blocked hits in percentage would you say are okay?

[pallid quiver]

Ideally, you want to block 100% of hits coming in on you

[long bronze]

that's ideal, but there's a strong correlation between uptime and blocked hits so if you're 90+% on details you're doin fine

[dusky canopy]

90%-95% +

[pallid quiver]

Realistically, playing well will end up around 95% hits blocked

[dusky canopy]

But yes ideally all of them

[solid sun]

95+%

[pallid quiver]

The reason for this to elaborate is because even if SB is up, you can still get hit in the back, defeating the point. You also can technically block hits while SB is down, as well, but you shouldn't rely on that

And it can be very hard to not get clipped in the back somewhere by trash

[chilly brook]

or you're in TOP and the mini boss says "fuck your block"

[pallid quiver]

^^^

it feels so bad every time

[long bronze]

or you charge to the front mob of a pack but he winds up behind you because blizzard can't code for shit

[chilly brook]

double mini boss skip is bis

[long bronze]

I'm looking at you, pack after 2nd boss in priory

[dusky canopy]

Double skip must be turbo annoying to achieve??

[chilly brook]

yeah this happens way too often charging through the mobs is so badge

[chilly brook]

do you have movement in your group like at all?

is pretty easy

[near salmon]

Thank you all! Looks like I need a lot more practice then.

[chilly brook]

kill first one, stack at stair entrance, drop movement speed and run onto the bridge

do the same after bridge pack dies

[dusky canopy]

Fair enough yeah just never tried it

[chilly brook]

or if no movement after the first you activate him and then pull him up the left stairs while everyone runs by then you leap and meld

[unborn island]

Ewww nelf

[long bronze]

spot where my blood pressure spiked

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[nocturne spindle]

damn

i never even thought about doing double TOP skip

i assumed there wasnt enough %

[dusky canopy]

You just pull more side trash in magic room

Pretty chill

Or do the first 3 during last boss RP

[nocturne spindle]

yeye i just routed it

i assumed even pulling all of the magic side trash it wouldnt be enough

but its perfect 100

[dusky canopy]

Easily the play in high high keys

Those things waste so much time

Never considered double skip either until now

Griff smort

[nocturne spindle]

hyugeee

[native iron]

the 2nd miniboss before xav, how do you skip that the easiest? warlock gate or what is the plan?

or do i need meld to pull it off?

[unborn island]

Don't need a gate, can just run, stop near the last ridge on the bridge, do a pull timer, and run

Can use leap too

But easier with a speed boost

Have never skipped the first one but it would be pro

[solid sun]

I never skip the first top pack

Every single time I tried it we end up getting them running in during the boss

So I just kill everything in my path, I’m so over it

[unborn island]

I think I have one ever killed them once.

(aside from doing them during Mordretha RP)

[native iron]

not sure how skipping first one would work looking at the boss duel?

[slender bison]

That's because monk

[unborn island]

Think people were saying lock gate, I haven't heard of this before the last few days though, so will try find some videos

[solid sun]

I think dottwo means the actual first mini boss where the people chosen for PvP go to fight

You kill that one, if that’s what you meant

[slender bison]

In an experienced group you cleave the ancient captain pack with the 2nd glad boss if it's just shouting boss

[woven radish]

Such a shit mechanic

[native iron]

was thinking about loosecannons comment about skipping the first one but would be pro

[slender bison]

Skip the 3rd, kill lich wing X2 malevolent casters

[native iron]

is it still possible to f

force the one you wanna fight?

[slender bison]

Why would you skip first? You cleave with the trash

It's the best boss to kill

[solid sun]

They meant you kill the first mini boss in that quarter but then the two mini bosses on either side of the bridge where the Captain is you skip

[native iron]

Have never skipped the first one but it would be pro
from what loose wrote

[slender bison]

The 2nd one is time waste if your group is afraid to cleave with ancient captain pack

[undone orbit]

got my tome today on myth, can anyone recomend a weakaura for pages that only lights up if its ready and im not in sword mode

[chilly brook]

???

you should never pull the captain pack with the mini boss

[chilly brook]

I mean if you really wanted to you could skip all 3 mini bosses

[chilly brook]

https://wago.io/3VXuiahTx

This is what I use

could probably modify it so it only shows if shield mode is up and the trinket is available

[undone orbit]

ok thank you mate

i will try it out

[chilly brook]

anyways back to ToP talk, this is far more time efficient than pulling the mini bosses

[solid sun]

You’re pulling the first mini boss there instead of skipping all three

[chilly brook]

yeah because skipping all 3 is giga bait

just because you can doesn't mean you should

[solid sun]

I mean idk how you even would when the boss sends you down there for the PvP portion

[chilly brook]

Like I said just because you can doesn't mean you should

all I said was that it's possible

😛

[solid sun]

[chilly brook]

I wasn't advocating that you skip 3

[solid sun]

Well if he aggros when your dps get sent downstairs to PvP are you even skipping him

[chilly brook]

for a moment

[steady mason]

do you need a soothe/cloak for those skips?

[chilly brook]

no

just movement speed

or movement abilities

[clear kestrel]

how am i supposed to play the stacks on sprocket mythic?

cant figure out the pattern, our DH is doing every bomb

or is that coked?

[unborn island]

I was talking about skipping the second one, not the very first one - I've never seen that skip done, but it would be pro if it is oossibke

[chilly brook]

they all follow the same rule the RP triggers when you move past a certain trigger in the room so if you can run by fast enough before they flag as hostile then you can skip it, but it causes other issues if you skip the first one

[unborn island]

Where is the skip spot for the 2nd one? Any idea how close you need to be?

Or will just going giga speed into the bridge pack be enough

[chilly brook]

giga speed to the bridge just start stacked at the door before going down the stairs

[steady mason]

at the start of the season i was convinced I needed to swap to dwarf but now it feels like swapping to NE is the play for more skips

[gleaming panther]

Hi guys, do u have somes recos about the best spec for mono in raid ?

i found few versions and i dont know what's the best

[solemn depot]

well my loggerhead didn't log jack shit, even though i set the checkboxes for what i hope is m+

[frosty mango]

As warrior dwarf is pretty goated

Bleeds are not your friend

[solemn depot]

let me guess, "chalenge mode", not "mythic" is m+?

[frosty mango]

Every dungeon is timetable without meld skips, most dungeons are bricked if the tank dies

[neon elk]

Did u allow advanced loging in wow tho?

Or w/e its called

[granite briar]

Everyone see Dinars got confirmed we got told we would get more information on Dinars in 11.1.5?

I'm wondering how we'll sim it vs something else for M+

[peak iron]

blizz and the announcement of the announcement name a more iconic duo

[granite briar]

timegated

[peak iron]

we will get one quarter of the dinar information announcement message each reset starting from 11.1.5 launch so 4 weeks for the full info

[granite briar]

just wondering, when we do get dinars, how we'll decide on getting an Eye of Kezan v. Jastor Diamond

bc i know eye can be a sim trap

[neon elk]

Depends on content u do and your playstyle

Im gonna spend mine first on either bomb suit or hoc, depending how far i push by the time we get them , but as i know blizz , we will have them closer to 11.7 than to 11.5

[granite briar]

oh that's not a bad idea actually. Is bomb suit better than the mud trinket?

for prot war anyway, I'm assuming we're not talking about in general

[neon elk]

Different use case , but generaly partial absorbs are better than full ones

[granite briar]

ok, so instead of absorbing damage like the mud, bomb suit just straight up prevents damage, right?

[solemn depot]

Yes it's enabled in network settings

[neon elk]

Not realy it absorbs % of dmg taken untill shield is broken , and u still take remaining % as dmg

Its like 75% dmg absord iirc on bombsuit

[neon elk]

Then i have no idea im not at pc and cant realy help you

[solemn depot]

It is 75% damage reduction

[neon elk]

From dungeons probably only one i would choose mud over suit is floodgate , on very high key, and even that is debatable probably

[granite briar]

even still I'll probably be running Floodgate on farm to get the mud till we learn more about Dinars

[solemn depot]

You should be running floodgate for pacemaker

And priory for tome

[granite briar]

i'm not really having a problem with survivability but the additional support will help my mw significantly

[granite briar]

i have 'em both

[solemn depot]

Mud is just a worse chromebustible

[granite briar]

Sure, but I can't farm Heroic gallywix

[solemn depot]

True

[neon elk]

Dude mw is perfectly fine for healing anything , if u arent doing any of top keys just run dps ones , they provide deff value also

[granite briar]

We're tryna push 12s, I'm not sure what we could be doing differently I'm just trying to figure out what I can do to help my m+ team get 12s, we're pushing for 3000

I'm not having a problem, but I want to try to make it easier if I can on the healer so she can focus more on helping dps

[solemn depot]

I have no clue what I'm doing still and if people do mechanics correctly i only use gally trinket when I'm feeling exceedingly lazy and don't want to get out an aoe or something in 10s

[granite briar]

lol

[solemn depot]

She already is as a mw

Edited cause I forgot to mention in 10s

[neon elk]

Its hard to tell you what to do differently when i dont even know how any of u play or what u "struggle " with but usualy ( apart from few cases) tank healing isnt what bricks keys there , u doing more dmg matter as its all just dps race , and if anybody is gona die its either your heal or dps

[granite briar]

I'm not usually the one who dies unless I really fuck somethin up

it's mostly DPS doing mechanics/pulling/not kicking/not doing enough dps to kill what needs to die

[neon elk]

Like big mooma first boss priory 3rd in ML are pretty much only ones where healer needs to babysit you , everything else he should be healing u more or less pasively

[granite briar]

for instance, the ML drills after the 1st boss are really brutal b/c people can't not die to the damn pools

[neon elk]

Well yea ,thats an issue, but tank trinket wont fix that

[granite briar]

I know

[neon elk]

If it helps you u can pull them back into boss area and dont pull more than 1 at a time ofc

[granite briar]

I do

[neon elk]

But once people learn the pattern its realy not that hard to dodge, most important there is to dont run like headless chicken , one step at a time , just like rookery 1st boss

[granite briar]

yeah

[solemn depot]

pools spawn on people. stay clumped and move as one unit, left or right

[granite briar]

Or the Darkflame 2nd boss and them not being topped off for them to use defensives for the massive wind blow or w/e it's called

[solemn depot]

are you only extinguishing one candle and lighting as many as you can?

[granite briar]

yeah

[neon elk]

Well that boss is pure dps/heal stuff u dont do anything there

I see a lot of issues u and your group has, yet none that your trinket choice will make any different xd

[solemn depot]

then you shouldn't be getting one-shot
extinguishing gust can also be side-stepped

[granite briar]

I'm always the last one alive on it

[solemn depot]

honestly i think you could benefit way more from going through breakdown videos as a group, like Quazii x Ellesmere Explain EVERY M+ Pull & Boss

than you farming a trinket that is arguably worse for you than what you already have

[granite briar]

You're not wrong, I'll scrap the mud idea then

That's a really good idea though

about the pulls and bosses.

[solemn depot]

you could just sort of wing it, but why bother reinventing the wheel? you can still do your own thing, but with better foundational knowledge

[devout star]

what classes do you need for ragehorn skip on theater

[paper dirge]

Dh cage, mind Sooth from priest

[round pendant]

Floodgate is such a good dungeon

until the tunnel

😔

[cerulean tusk]

DH, Monk, Evoker, Warlock, priest or rogue

[round pendant]

Anyone else get some crazy lag spikes on big momma sometimes?

2 times on that boss where my game just froze up for 5 seconds

[cerulean tusk]

I had those freezes lately, but not on momma, just randomly once in a while when mobs activate in combat

[round pendant]

Yeah I've had it once somewhere else I think but I can't remember

just twice on big momma

it's insane

[paper dirge]

How do you guys keep aggro when pulling? I am new to prot warrior and i immediately lose aggro. And it is very hard to get it back.
I usually pull with avatar, thunderclap and thunderous roar.
In small pulls i have no issue. But if i gather 2-3 packs I loose aggro to heal before I can group them.
If i use thunderclap for first pack, charge to 2nd and 3rd pack i already lost aggro from first pack.

Or is this just low level dungeon issue (pug 7s, only play 10s with group sofar)

[round pendant]

dps issue

[paper dirge]

My dps or the dps player?

[round pendant]

If people are unloading on the first pack as you're pulling more

they're griefing

[cerulean tusk]

If the DPS say "tank, agro" or "agro", similar lines ofc. Just ignore em.

It is a them issue 9/10 times.

[round pendant]

first pull floodgate is annoying af

[paper dirge]

Ok thanks alot 🙂

[round pendant]

people just start pumping instantly

[paper dirge]

For that I have the aoe taunt. But then the long cd for next pulls

[cerulean tusk]

Just be aware, that low keys and up to midrange, DPS will not understand what gathering means. They will die to it. They will complain.

Just do a quick thought about the situation, could you have done better? If you dont figure out something obvious, just file it under: Not my problem

[round pendant]

even in 12s people do that shit

It's so nice when you get a group who doesn't

feels like real wow

[warm plinth]

Just teleport back to legion. One thunder clap and they're yours forever

[round pendant]

The good ol days

wait why is hpal good now

did they get buffed?

[solemn depot]

yes
both in 11.1.0 and just now

holy shocks have become monstrous after the 11.1 changes, like doing 8m crit heals

they're very reactive, but boy can they react
and the tier 4-set bonus makes them be able to cope much better with aoe spikes basically every 15 seconds like clockwork, ignoring wings

it's a good time to be an hpal
the other healer classes don't know yet, i think

[round pendant]

Nice

[pliant jackal]

uhhh this shield good? LOL

[nocturne spindle]

no

[vocal flame]

I only had time for one dungeon last week, i got lucky

[worn steeple]

Greetings. I'm having an identity crisis with my dear prot warrior. I feel like my contribution to the group (in Mythic+) is just being a meat shield. Meanwhile, I see other classes like DH, Paladin and Druid doing the same, but contributing significantly more CC, buffs and combat ress. I need to know if the buffs we provide are truly good enough to justify continuing pushing myself to play warrior. Currently, I'm trying to PUG alk dungeons at +13, and I feel like I'm reaching my personal limit. Sorry for the rant. Thanks

[gentle acorn]

As of the recent changes, prot warrior has a longer aoe silence than DH, so that utility is p war king!

[round pendant]

You do BIG DAM

[tacit parcel]

I haven’t looked a ton into comparisons but our damage feels great

[round pendant]

Also warrior has pretty nice CC

[tacit parcel]

Working on +14s for context

[paper dirge]

Shockwave has a knock up, which you can use when mobs are already stun immune

[tacit parcel]

Attack power is pretty good if you’ve got a melee comp too

[gentle acorn]

also, don't neglect b shout, it's a massive buff to phys dps

AND rallying cry can be really clutch at times

[tacit parcel]

You get to press execute on bosses and that is nice 👍

[gentle acorn]

AND, you get to shout at stuff!

[graceful kite]

tank utility is a meme and community trying to invent a reason for meta

warrior buff is good, warrior cc is good, warrior dps isnt meta/popular in m+ rn so you wont get many

[round pendant]

This is just warrior cope

[graceful kite]

vdh has mid utility

Ppal is actual utility tank and when its meta everyone is screaming that dungeons are unplayable w/o it, when other tank starts contributing more dps to the group suddenly dh has crazy utility

Just like in s1 dragonflight people found out insane truth that warrior takes no damage and were even hyping up shockwave and stormbolt a crazy utility that other tanks lack

[round pendant]

Never saw anyone hyping up shockwave/stormbolt lmao

[graceful kite]

you werent there for s1 df i guess

[tacit parcel]

Sounds like blizzard does a great job of making all tank specs feel like they have a good toolkit

[round pendant]

I.. was

[mighty valley]

shockwave's pretty good with a 25 second cd these days lol

[ionic nimbus]

Knock up with very Short cd is very good. We arent utility kings, but we are not bottom shit like our fury brothers

[vocal flame]

has there been any change in Tom? I feel like I change pages a lot faster now

[chilly brook]

Man that’s crazy remind me again how much more CC does DH have over warrior?

[chilly brook]

Shockwave gained an immense amount of practicality in this season since we’re running Colo tbh

As far as 13s being the limit not even close, I’m perfectly comfortable in 15s/16s and there are warriors in 18s so

[round pendant]

context was s1 df

yeah it's good af now

[sharp gale]

Im in the 13-14 range now (2 13 needed for resi) and I think I can tank 20% more damage fine, I use bsv and I only procced on gathering in 1 or 2 dungeon, and bad cd def rotation on bosses ( Rixxa and MOMMA)

[frosty mango]

Pretty sure from a tank perspective the only tank that has a hard upper limit is bdk because at some point they will simply die

Anyone who says a prot war isn’t capable of running any key level is wild

[rotund wyvern]

What would you pick? I already have the Improvised Seaforum Pacemaker and Tome of Light's Devotion hero track (both 658), and 678 shoulders

[visual rapids]

keep stacking crit and haste?

[strong forum]

Socket

[lofty warren]

is wowhead updated for 11.1.4

because there were so many changes its super important that they up to date

[strong forum]

Oh yeah all the

And

But don't forget the

Is all included

[pallid quiver]

prot wars can't tank +40s, don't @ me

[tacit parcel]

@pallid quiver sounds like skill diff to me

[pallid quiver]

reeeeeeeeeeeee i said don't @ meeeeeeeeee

[frosty mango]

I can reply tho it still workkkks

[small steeple]

ayo pink parse on hero CoC

[long bronze]

grats @shut summit!

[shut summit]

🙂

[warm plinth]

what happened

[long bronze]

his guild killed m gally

[warm plinth]

Oh, nice! Congrats Sense!

[small steeple]

Grats

[urban bane]

[shut summit]

ty ty

[pallid quiver]

How'd you like the raid overall? I've heard mechanically mythic gets disappointing, but that likely could just be people who aren't actually raiding complaining

[gentle wind]

would you take the mythic set chest over the hero cinderbrew chet?

[shut summit]

sucks ass for tanks, rolling on balls, run out to explode, run out to drop puddle, run away / get stunned for gold debuff, etc etc

[pallid quiver]

that's about what i expected tbh

[lilac jetty]

in order to block the hits from popping the unstable crawler mines, do I need to face Mug'zee or the mines themselves?

i assume the mines since the damage seems to be sourced from them in logs

[lilac jetty]

also why tf does my battle scarred veteran proc here when i dont even drop below 30%? does it have a weird interaction with the big absorb shield from bomb suit?

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MXwZNgvhBQkYDzGJ?fight=49&type=auras&source=15&spells=debuffs

[shut summit]

yes fairly certain it does not account for bomb suit absorb, have had it happen in top 17 on last boss

you can just face the mines, i never did any facing boss stuff

[lilac jetty]

ty 🙏

[paper dirge]

I play the "archon" build currently https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/protection/warrior/mythic-plus/overview/10/all-dungeons/this-week

I would like to play with battle scary Veteran, as i am still learning to stay alive during big pulls. But can't decide what to drop for it.
Any suggestions?
See in some rio profiles they either get rid of Ravager or indomitable.
But as both always have skilled sudden death, i am not sure if they logged out in raid build.

[ionic fern]

Indom or Ravager.

[waxen frigate]

How fast can you run a half marathon checkmate bud

[mild river]

Intercept is a dead talent for m+?

[cerulean tusk]

More or less. You can use it to move around mainly.
Some fringe uses like making ppl safe from kobolds fixating, make healer safe from random shots, those kind of things

[outer quiver]

I'm new here, i wanna start tanking, how Is Warrior comprard to DH or druid? Ty for help

[cerulean tusk]

Warrior mitigates damage more easily and controlled than the two options. It is simpler and more straightforward to the task at hand. You are simply just a tank.

Problem is, you are just that. Just a tank. So you lack the utility and flexibility of VDH.

[tough finch]

Hey! What Intervene does exactly? Will it redirect the damage to me or not?

[slender bison]

Only white melee/range attacks. No spells

[cerulean tusk]

It redirects the hits to you, you take the dam instead of the target and on hit applications.

[tough finch]

oh I see, thank you!

[slender bison]

If you use it on Jagged Arrow on ToP arbalests, it won't work

So Intervene is kinda garbage. Needs a rework

Good only to use as a 3rd charge

[unborn island]

Hey, it's also good to help out wheelchair movement speed when leap is on CD and there's nothing to charge at (changing wings on ToP, for example)

Side note on ToP, I not have 2 depletes on 14, 9 and 4 seconds over time

Sadge

[tough finch]

Good ideas, thanks!

[cerulean tusk]

Should have pressed execute harder

[unborn island]

We had 7 deaths to random shit on the 9second one and 9 on the 4 seconds one

DPS just need to not be dead 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

Smh, imagine making excuses instead of

4 sec is a question of: did demolish crit or not

[unborn island]

Probably correct

[next pasture]

am i expected to skip bubbles in a 14/15 floodgate, as a non nelf warrior? what about double hop goblins? what key level does it start mattering?

[cerulean tusk]

If you plan to skip bubbles, the area you are around now is a good place to start getting the practice done. Ppl should be able to follow simple plans at that level

Expected? Probably not. They expect you to have a functional plan and the skill to execute it. To drive them to a timed key

How it is done, is entrusted to you. Any complaints will be addressed during the planing phase

[unborn island]

I've timed both of those keys on 14 with mediocre DPS performance, so definitely don't need to skip to do either with a reasonable plan.

Both skips are kinda rough without being a nelf though I think - there's the water skip on bubbles which is probably(?) the non nelf play but requires a specific comp.

You can death skip double hobgoblins, but I've never done it.

Probably on like 16/17 you start 'needing' skips there...but idk

[sharp gale]

I think floodgate 14-15 if you have the dps to kill big momma you time the key whatever you do bubble or not

[vital vale]

I timed floodgates 13 yesterday with 10 deaths and two buttpulls

so we were overcount too

[round pendant]

yeah floodgate timer isn't too bad

Big Momma is hell though

and then swampface I'm shitting myself expecting someone to just die and ruin the key right at the end

[cerulean tusk]

This is a very fair take

[lofty warren]

arcane frost DK meta now?

this from mechagon 12

[sharp gale]

Frost dk I don’t think so, arcane has a place in a meta comp 100%

[neon elk]

Especialy in dungs like workshop and top where heavy aoe doesnt matter

[sharp gale]

Arcane does so high prio damage, you put them with 2 AoE shitters killers it’s 100% goated comp

I did a 12 priory to fill the vault of my friend on arcane, first pull Suleyman is the first to die lol

(So we did the end of the first pull with shaynemail)

[olive zenith]

Why is colossus so rage starved

[jagged pier]

its not your over spending on ip probably

it just has less rage than MT

[olive zenith]

probably overspending on revenge yea

[unborn island]

Average swampface experience

[ionic fern]

On a switch side,healing Floodgate bosses is super fun.

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-elf-buddy-the-elf-throne-of-lies-christmas-gif-1174038786188830953

nothing about floodgate is fun except the chest at the end

[neon elk]

I just hate that duo boss when i perfectly position ogre so that someone can shot up 3 bombs and they do like one

[mortal cypress]

i dont mind that one....i hate the first boss in some pugs where we wipe 2-3 times then the key is basically bricked

[cerulean olive]

HEY GUYS, IM HAPPY TO ANNOUNCE I FINALLY TIMED PRIORY 15, WHAT A DOGSHIT DUNGEON IT IS FOR US WARRIORS

[unborn island]

Well done :).

Which part(s) did you find dog shit? I tried a 15 on Thursday but we wound up GGing it because people ass pulled 2x triple caster packs onto the caster miniboss ><

[mortal cypress]

congrats!! Shit all over the floor, it sucks....and those snipers that refuse to stand in the pack....i try to use blasting shot on hunter to push them in

[cerulean olive]

first boss and the room after that

[cerulean olive]

haha yeah, having to time shockwave so it pot shot doesnt overal with distracting shout

[unborn island]

Do you do 3 packs immediately after first boss? I've always found that a bit janky because I'm completely dry on defensives after the boss...

[solid sun]

Def feels like I need a break after the first boss

I end up just pulling the first paladin pack and the neophytes and drinking some sweet tea while I mentally recover from the first boss

But it wouldn’t surprise me if that’s not allowed in big keys

[neon elk]

If u do it like that then what the next pull ? Double on one side+stairs from other ?

[unborn island]

It was absolutely fine being conservative in a 13, I tried it in a 14 but we ended up wiping later in the run so not sure if we would have timed, it was probably going to be tight.

There's only like 14 warrior - tanked priory runs which are 16 or higher

[unborn island]

Just the 2 packs that are there (left and right), then both stairs packs

That's how I've done it anyway

4 paladins with the priest and all the acolytes + 3(?) templars is a rough pull with no defs on the gather, especially because I always wind up running with a shaman, so no PS

But it's obviously super efficient if you can make it work

[strong fox]

How are you living 4 paladins? My healers omega bitch when I pull three

[rocky crest]

How are you guys coping 1st boss in Priory ? it just hits like a fucking truck. Regardless if I rotate defensives.

Keys are 15++

or I should say 15 for now. in 14 it was a breeze

I'm always going left side. But maybe I should start going right

[solid sun]

At a certain point you need healers to dispel you like .1

And keep you alive

From what others have said if you’re rotating defensives, etc., there’s just so much you can do and the rest is up to the healer

[rocky crest]

Yeah that's what I was thinkin. sometimes the dot lingers way too long

like a free bleed tick gets through and just rips

with dmg amp buff

[solid sun]

I imagine if you had a log or something the scientists here may be able to see if there’s a mistake that was made

But yeah first boss is rough

[rocky crest]

yeah, I tend to ask advice without logs. Gonna do it now while I wait for grp

[small steeple]

ayo

Got two 99 parses last night

[amber wedge]

I see top chinese prot warrs using thunderlord instead of SD or show of force, i guess that's good for more demo shout juicin

(m+) ofc

[small steeple]

Thats the only reason. They have to hit thuncerclap way more than Col likes but they go for it for more demo shout uptime for the DR and damage amp

[amber wedge]

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/protection/colossus/DAPAUVBVFUgYRIpUEQBANVVVEVBRFVZUQUCVAEVVVUBQ this guy for example is using roar and spear 😮

[small steeple]

As far as I'm aware, it might not be worth it, but that's the sort of talent choice there that shows player skill has more to play than talent build

[small steeple]

I mean thats just silly

[amber wedge]

Yeah seems clunky to me

But they are the 2 top rated prot warrs though

[strong forum]

It's certainly not more dps

[amber wedge]

so if it works it works

[strong forum]

Ofc it works

Everything works

[small steeple]

Player skill>>>>>>>>talents

[strong forum]

It's not optimal, but it works

Chinese players always do funky shit

[amber wedge]

Yeah I'm just trying to figure out what I should opt for. Not really tank by heart but it's just way easier to get into keys

[small steeple]

@strong forum are you proud of me dad? 😂

[strong forum]

Getting there!

Certainly better than a few weeks ago!

[amber wedge]

Did a +12 rookery and felt like I took 0 dmg, was comfy

Also managed to do ~2,3 mil dps overall. was super nice 😮

[rocky crest]

[elfin ginkgo]

My war feels so much tankier than my paladin

Is nice

[amber wedge]

I have been doing some +10s on my pala alt

And I'm probably playing it wrong but it feels so bad compared

[small steeple]

Eye of tyr feels good at least with Templar, and I like the Shake the Heavens minigame

[amber wedge]

Yeah big numbers are always nice

I should try thunderlord how it feels. Never tried SD either

[rocky crest]

SD in dungeons ?

[small steeple]

SD I'd only run in ToP because that dungeon is a boss rush. Haven't tried it yet myself but planning too sometime this week

And disrupting shout only gets some use on last boss

[amber wedge]

Yeah ToP i'm thinking for sure

Not sure what's the logic behind raider.io showing the build, but looking at Yodas warrior he's also running spear + roar

Love the idea of big demolishes though

[small steeple]

I get the logic behind running spear+roar, but the sims show its straight worse than taking only spear and its nodes, or only troar and its nodes

[solid sun]

When fighting ToP’s lich boss, am I free to help kill the adds we drop? What does the boss even do if I’m not in melee? Anything different at all?

[small steeple]

He just casts, and they removed his melee swings this week so no reason not too now

[solid sun]

I thought so, but I wasn’t sure if I was gonna get someone owned

[small steeple]

just realized I was in D Stance for these so I could have done more

[dusky canopy]

[cerulean burrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xigKKto6WBkg7Y1p4XHgCW

damn.. i finally simmed with the custom apl and

[dusky canopy]

Ez 99s not in dstance

[cerulean burrow]

i didnt think it would be better single target then eye of kezan hero track but ive been trolling apparently

[dusky canopy]

[graceful kite]

ive seen it in hios dfc run, maybe he used it to avoid knockbacks from roar

[trim estuary]

This enough to run Into the Fray in M+?

(without flask)

[earnest cove]

With T Set you can make it work

[trim estuary]

Ait. How much am I looking for for it to be comfy with ItF?

[cold nova]

Hey guys, I know its early to ask, because I'm not 80, but leveling up in dungeons 'Revenge' doesn't do much, do we not use this at 80? i'm only 31 atm

Or is it strictly used just for a dmg reduction

[cerulean burrow]

we opt for whirlwind instead common mistake

[strong forum]

revenge gets an armada of dmg buffs via talents later on, especially as colossus

pwar will feel pretty bad until level ~65

also ignore izzy, whirlwind is completely illegal as it can not reset shield slam

[strong forum]

16k, so you're completely fine

[limber kraken]

So is Colossus the play for M+?

[strong forum]

Both thane and colossus are great, both have they pros and cons, most commonly colossus is run

[cerulean burrow]

oh yeah my fault i was thinking of rend make sure you are casting that on every mob it might take a second but those dots put in work make sure you bind it to something helpful 💪

slam is also very good

[strong forum]

Why are you trolling someone new?

[cerulean burrow]

youre right honestly my fault

just sowing chaos

gotta keep the discord lively you know how it is

[strong forum]

Colossus does significantly more aoe dmg than thane and gets access to immovable object

[trim estuary]

Good stuff!

[strong forum]

Thane is tankier vs unblockable hits and magic

But does less aoe damage and doesn't have immovable object

[small steeple]

Is it really though? I know it has more IP casts but Col has much higher SW uptime

[limber kraken]

Thanks, answered the question before I typed it. I prefer big damage, so sounds like colossus for me

[strong forum]

You have much more IP and Demo shout uptime

But this is a very specific case

Vs constant big hits, colossus is better because of more SW uptime yes

But vs constant dot dmg like say first boss priory, thane is tankier

In that specific instance

But colossus is better on the trash itself by a big margin

[pallid quiver]

It'd mostly come down to damage profiles and how damage is coming in, like anything tankiness related

[shut summit]

ye have debated doing the old swap like we used to in motherlode, port out right before 3rd boss and go thane

[strong forum]

Ye

[shut summit]

have lived it fine on 17 but can get sketch when pulling trash with the boss

[trim estuary]

was just gonna ask about that act

[limber kraken]

What is the diff feel between lvl 70 from 80. Any?

[shut summit]

gonna just try thane next priory, that dungeon is just insanely punishing for us as levels go up

[strong forum]

The diff is about 3-4hrs

[pallid quiver]

You get your hero talents in, so you change the flavor of the spec entirely based on which you pick.

that being said, Colo is better to level as since Thane mostly works with all hero talents

[limber kraken]

Good deal. Thanks

[cold nova]

Yes, I can barely keep myself alive xD

Also thankyou all for response ^^

[strong forum]

Correct

Pwar gets literally all it's good and fun buttons after level 60

I recommend not to level as prot, it's miserable

[small steeple]

I remember when I first started playing, I transfered my vdh to horde because their were more players (S4 bfa) and then decided I want to play warrior. I wasn't going to spend money to transfer or boost a new prot war, so I just leveled one straight to 120 in a week with like 3 days played time. Took so long

[strong forum]

Wellllllll

Bfa was entirely different

[small steeple]

True 😂

[strong forum]

It's with DF talent tree rework that prot leveling got awful

[cedar flicker]

any weakaura to track the tierset and also tome of light devotion's?

[strong forum]

Generic spellID tracking should suffice

[onyx vessel]

nomeratur you leveled as prot all the way?

[strong forum]

Ye for heritage armor

I once Re-leveled during DF

[onyx vessel]

i mean tanking in dungeons low level is kinda a struggle cuz healers dont heal and you dont self heal

same way with early monk leveling

[strong forum]

Is fine if you're aware of that

[idle copper]

https://wago.io/JfpsG2Qpd

It gives the icons and the word tome I think when you need to pop . It's easy to get it to say trinket as well

[strong forum]

But yeh, questing was faster

[onyx vessel]

youd just be fury for questing

[strong forum]

Hell naw

[onyx vessel]

cuz self sustain

[strong forum]

I ain't touching fury for shit

"self sustain"

[onyx vessel]

wut

[strong forum]

Brother on low level you 1shot mobs with execute procs

Cuz it's Hella overtuned on low level

You heal via VR resets

[onyx vessel]

fury executes

[strong forum]

Fury just dies to 10mob pulls, prot atleast lives to spam revenge

Fury is just 1 mob gaming

Turbo cringe

[onyx vessel]

makes sense

[solid sun]

Biggest prot war weakness is that I don’t dig either dps spec

[onyx vessel]

you dont need to dps spec ever as a prot warrior

[strong forum]

By the time I killed and gathered 10 mobs as pwar for questing fury is starting it's 3rd mob

[onyx vessel]

just pull huge hit demo

everything dies

[solid sun]

Yeah but if I wanna offspec because I’m tired of tanking I go to a completely different class because I don’t wanna fury or arms

[toxic pewter]

arms is fun

[solid sun]

You’re fun

[onyx vessel]

fury is just

slap buttons hard

[vagrant badger]

just levelled a war from 0 to 80, 100% as prot

doing mainly dungeons

[cedar flicker]

thanks mate apperciate it

[cedar flicker]

Ah no, I'm not looking to track a generic spell, just the tierset

[vagrant badger]

it was pretty smooth actually, the scaling is so messed up while levelling

[onyx vessel]

why do you need to track it

its pretty obvious when it happens

with little to no control to when it happens

[strong forum]

Yes, the spellID of the buff

[pallid quiver]

To elaborate, like almost every buff/effect in the game is identified specifically with what's called a spellID

[cedar flicker]

It's spelled Luck of the draw! I think

[strong forum]

To know if you should squeeze in a few SS in your revenge spamming to ensure to get demolish and SC within the +15% dmg window?

[pallid quiver]

I don't think it's shown on base UI unless they updated that, but you can just grab the ID of the effect and use basic ability tracking in WA for it

[strong forum]

Yeh, you want the spell ID

[onyx vessel]

too much paying attention

[strong forum]

1218163

Is the ID for our luck of the draw

[strong forum]

That's what you gotta do if you wanna do phat dam

[cedar flicker]

I'm sorry i'm confused

[pallid quiver]

Basically,

There's the name of the spell/effect

And then there's a number on that effect that's actually what it's for

With WAs, there's a built-in like auto-create feature, and one of the fields you can use to track for buffs is spellID

[strong forum]

It's more accurate to track the spellID instead of the simple name for weakauras

[pallid quiver]

It uses that number to track it so it knows what ID to track

[strong forum]

If you only track name, you could get the wrong thing

[pallid quiver]

Since "Luck of the Draw!" is the same named effect for all the other tanks, but each "Luck of the Draw!" is technically a different spell in the game

[onyx vessel]

maybe now that i got the pacemaker i can do big dam

[strong forum]

Hope you get better soon!

[civic holly]

Hi team, where's the best resource for my spell prio currently? Do I prio ss above tc and revenge, or only when I want to build demolish stacks? Do I prio revenge if I'm already at high stacks? Do I delay demolish in aoe to spam more revenges? Do I delay my demolish till I get lotd?

[strong forum]

Don't delay demolish

Dont overprio revenge

[pallid quiver]

To clarify a bit, ElvUI shows spell IDs base, so I can show you what I mean with this:

[strong forum]

SS to get rage flow going, don't go 100-0 and 0-100 with your rage

You want to weave it

Always hover around 30-40 rage

[civic holly]

Thanks

[cedar flicker]

oh that seems pretty handy

[pallid quiver]

If you go to Weakauras, and use one of the presets (progress bar, icon, etc), then go to trigger, you can set the trigger to Aura, Buff, then bam, slap in that spell ID

Don't need anything super fancy, especially for something gone after the season

Wowhead should also allow you to pull spell IDs for WA use, as well, though I've just always handled it in game

[strong forum]

Luerce going all out

[pallid quiver]

i have like 30 minutes before i have to work

that's not enough time to do anything really meaningful

send help

[solid sun]

Why do you use elvui

[pallid quiver]

I've used it for years and I like the base look

It packs in a bunch of useful things so I don't need multiple addons for it and, again, I like the base look

[solid sun]

Are you going to use the new ui buff tracker thing that’s coming

[strong forum]

Cuz elvui owns

Been using it non-stop since wod and haven't regretted it once

[lucid mica]

Hey! If I'm new to the class I'm assuming it'll be easier to be mountain thane than colossus, is that true?
Also how do I gain fury fast at the start of the pull to start rolling IP and shield block? I feel like I get hitted too much before having those up(?)

[pallid quiver]

On first initial pull, charge+avatar is enough to get you shield block before ever even touching an enemy

[lucid mica]

Charge being shield charge or normal charge?

[pallid quiver]

IP is a helpful mitigation tool, but it is not a main mit, so don't stress over it too much

Normal charge

[dusky canopy]

You touch the enemies????

[pallid quiver]

You only use shield charge in actual melee range

[dusky canopy]

Slam them with your shield or devastate them with your sword

More effective

[lucid mica]

Cool 🙂

[solid sun]

I think you touch the enemy if you pummel them, brew

[lucid mica]

And about mountain thane vs colossus as newcomer?

[pallid quiver]

Thane is easier to play, since you prio a generator over a spender

So it can be easy to mess up the flow of the class while playing Colo

That being said, Colo isn't that hard to play; there's harder DPS specs out there

[solid sun]

Tbh I don’t think newcomer matters very much. You’re going to develop muscle memory either way

[cerulean olive]

Sorry for late reply, no we didnt. Just lusted the boss when we had BL. Then pulled 2x paladin /templar and neophyte pack, when templars died i chained to another paladin pack, killed the caster and then chained to next pack until 2nd boss came down 😄

so basically just chain pulling "safely"

never 3 casters in a pull

[solid sun]

I try chain pulling sometimes and dps pugs get mad at me

:(

[cerulean olive]

feels like for prot warrior thats sometimes a necessary thing to do haha

[pallid quiver]

the only person who should have a legitimate complaint for that is the healer, and even then,

they should probably manage their mana better in the large majority of cases

[cerulean olive]

and tbh i think chaining is very giga fine aslong theres no casters present in the pack

[lucid mica]

Both noted 🙂 tysm!

[urban bane]

eh sin rogue likes the free restealth i could see them being understandably peeved

[solid sun]

I very rarely ever see rogues anymore, and when I do they’re outlaw

Idk how much stealth matters for them

[echo grail]

Don't forget about your feral druids

[urban bane]

oh yeah the mangles

[solid sun]

And I absolutely never see cats

I’d invite them if I did

I hate inviting balance Druids

[cerulean olive]

for all fellow prot warriors who are running own key... Get mistweaver monk, feral, enhancement shaman and mm or rogue. Giga phys dmg is fun

[pallid quiver]

the only shamans in my keys are me

it's all hunters and mages, boss

[mortal cypress]

do you get BM hunters or just MM?

[solid sun]

Inviting mages is pretty iffy, too

[mortal cypress]

cos mm is target capped like fury

[solid sun]

MM also pumps regardless of target cap

But I see both

[neon elk]

Isnt there a rogue spec that doesnt like it because restealth?

Or people dont play that anymore , i know it was issue in s1

[strong forum]

Assa

[frosty mango]

Is explosive shot target capped?

Bc pretty sure their aoe burst is largely from that

[cerulean olive]

imagine 5 target cap comp and just chainpull to the end of dawn

[frosty mango]

Explosive is soft capped but not hard capped I think

[mortal cypress]

no clue, its a push back and interrupt

[echo grail]

That's bursting

[mortal cypress]

thats the one I meant

im shit with ability names

was calling bladestorm, whirlwind for ages

[echo grail]

Whirlwind and cooler whirlwind

[craggy niche]

Titan-Wrought Frame or rugged tenacity Wich racial is overall better for protection warrior?

[frosty mango]

Shadowmeld

[craggy niche]

I'm Horde 😢

[frosty mango]

Yes

[jagged pier]

Nose for trouble then

[tribal wharf]

hmmmm

[strong forum]

me when i am about to have a thought

[tribal wharf]

thats a good improvement i didnt expected

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dSs1kU2AnrY weak auras super lite

ill be honest, if i ever want come back to wow, not doing it until way bigger D cpu and all that

im extreme cpu bound, so it total kills it for me

might get it not sure,

[lilac widget]

hey guys what haste are you guys sitting at?

[oak ivy]

I think I'm at like 19k unflasked

im crit flasking tho so

[sharp gale]

19k too

18k crit

[harsh trellis]

lol so after timing all 12s... I guess its swap to paladin or DH?

LIKE WTF word got out that after timing all 12s. dont take prot wars into 13s

[solid sun]

Listing your own key and networking homie

[sharp gale]

idk it was so chill doing 13s in pug

[harsh trellis]

Yeah 13 dfc was like nothin

[neon elk]

I have almost all 13s timed with pugs, if u wanna get into your very first 13 is gona be hard as any tank, do your own

[sharp gale]

i did priory, workshop and rookery 13 yesterday, none i waited more than 10 seconds to tag in

[solid sun]

I’ve done all 11s with a 13 dfc and 13 rookery

Either friends or listing my own keys

[tacit parcel]

Anytime you go up a key level you wanna run your own key. People won’t invite you if you’ve never timed that key level on at least a few dungeons

[vital vale]

oof

[tacit parcel]

I typically only start applying to other keys to finish out my last 3-4 dungeons on that level

[sharp gale]

maybe having cinderbrew in 14 is what makes me tagging in 13s easy

[lilac widget]

guys anyone know how to rid myself of this ?

[gentle acorn]

you enable pop ups so if you middle click or control click the submit button it will work, otherwise just click with a normal click

[heavy sparrow]

is our cap gems for prismatic gem cap still5 or does the gem still increase after 5 different gems?

[lilac widget]

@gentle acorn yeah normally this works

but not tonight 😦

[round pendant]

god how do I learn vdh

I hate learning new specs

[frosty mango]

Go into pf and invite the first azralon vdh you find that is sub 2k and has no completed keys

Pay attention to what they do, then do the opposite

[chilly brook]

Idk I don’t hit a wall with getting invites until 15s

[chilly brook]

Uhhh it’s warrior but with blood dk healing

If you’re playing the real keys builds you just always keep up demon spikes and then use your other defensives as needed, in aoe you care about souls in single target you only care about fury

Gg ez

[round pendant]

I'm just levelling atm

[chilly brook]

In that case press buttons

[solid sun]

If you aren’t using spb you have no culture

[chilly brook]

But uhh yeah, press demon spikes if you don’t have any other defensives rolling

You just don’t want to be tanking without some sort of defensive rolling like spikes/brand/meta

[chilly brook]

I feel like it’s a wasted talent point in higher keys as AR but that’s just me

Well it’s not just me actually

Lots of higher keys don’t run it

[vestal cove]

How are you dealing with Sir Braunpyke on higher keys? His blazing slash hammers me - I can spell reflect every other but the one missed with other mobs pulled ruins me

[chilly brook]

Rotate CDs and hope your healer is good

[solid sun]

I’m a felscarred gamer

[chilly brook]

The initial hit is spell blockable so it should cover at least 2

[lapis vigil]

hey guys, how much haste cap for prot?

[chilly brook]

Ah ye then no bomb is very bad

I like fel scarred but I gotta be doing something wrong with it since I just fall over randomly when using it but I don’t with AR

[high aspen]

there isnt a haste cap

[lapis vigil]

ty

[chilly brook]

I mean technically there is

You’re just never hitting it

[high aspen]

^

[chilly brook]

Man I can’t wait for next week

I need this Oblivion remaster

[lilac widget]

how come my trinket is doing both ?

[heavy sparrow]

is 5 gems for the prismatic bonus for each individual gem still in effect or can we get 6 bonuses?

[dusky canopy]

Do you have /use 13 or 14 in a macro somewhere?

[lilac widget]

wait,

oh my god thankyou

its in my avatar macro ahaha

[dusky canopy]

Ask me how I knew

😜 hehe

[toxic gyro]

Me bitching entire ToP key that they nerfed tome trinket and it keeps flipping pages faster…

I had tome in wrong slot and my avatar was auto using it.

[frosty mango]

Spellblock and wall, I also run ravager on this key and pop it at the start for rage gen to stack IP

[lilac widget]

hey guys

i took off my macro