If you rage starve cause you pressed SB when you didn't need to
#protection
round pendant
thorn patio
Thats it. He convinced me. I'm macroing all my abilities together. Going to make my shield wall, last stand, spell reflect macro right now so i can tank some keys
round pendant
you're missing out on potential SS resets from Revenge
sharp gale
Thats it. He convinced me. I'm macroing all my abilities together. Going to make...
Wait no more
round pendant
Revenge is less rage and can refund half of the rage when playing colossus
sharp gale
/cast Charge
/cast Avatar
/cast Pummel
/cast Taunt
/cast Last Stand
/cast Shield Wall
/castsequence reset=alt Shield Slam, Revenge, Thunder Clap, Ignore Pain, Shield Block, Demoralizing Shout, Shockwave
thorn patio
Dude that a sick macro it should be pinned for all warriors to use
round pendant
sacred hedge
/cast Charge
/cast Avatar
/cast Pummel
/cast Taunt
/cast Last Stand
/cast Shield...
Ctrl c + ctrl v
sharp gale
(if you have a SS reset, you press alt)
if you need Shield block you have to SS, Revenge,TC,IP and then it will give you SB
sacred hedge
Is that the great almighty RURSTOMP ONE TANK MACRO?
sharp gale
shockwave is to reduce demo shout CD (it is a thane 1 button build)
round pendant
/cast Charge
/cast Avatar
/cast Pummel
/cast Taunt
/cast Last Stand
/cast Shield...
will still kick more than the puggers
sharp gale
i got some insanity macros
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Pummel
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm]
/focus target
/cleartarget
/targetenemy
/cast Pummel
/target focus
/clearfocus
/startattack
the famous random kick macro
solemn depot
Is that the great almighty RURSTOMP ONE TANK MACRO?
can you explain the joke? i didn't get it
round pendant
They're implying you'd like this macro because you macro'd two abilities together
sacred hedge
sorry if it was not funny , my social skills are very bad
solemn depot
sorry if it was not funny , my social skills are very bad
yeah, asking people to explain the joke (or irl to repeat themselves) almost always works when the joke they made is bad 🙂
solemn depot
They're implying you'd like this macro because you macro'd two abilities togethe...
HA! plot twist: one of my two abilities macro was actually from gasp wowhead's prot warrior guide!
sacred hedge
Another PLOT TWIST: Gasp is RURSTOMP
round pendant
now that one's just bad
sacred hedge
u just wanna promote your guidep
solemn depot
i just naturally assumed all 2-ability macros are god's gift to warriors, but have since learned the error of my ways and am working to correct my ways
thorn patio
If wowhead told you to jump off a bridge would you do it
sharp gale
Another PLOT TWIST: Gasp is RURSTOMP
-100 aura
solemn depot
If wowhead told you to jump off a bridge would you do it
if they said i'd get 2% dps out of it you betcha
round pendant
Anyway
sharp gale
IM FUCKING SHACKING IM NOT ALLOWED TO OPEN IT
round pendant
I'm just a no-training-wheels kind of guy
I think crutches are bad
If you want to learn something, take the time and effort to learn it properly
sharp gale
no it's my gnome on yam picture
solemn depot
If you want to learn something, take the time and effort to learn it properly
hope you'll apply that IRL too if you ever break your leg
just ignore pain and learn how to use your leg again properly, without crutches
thorn patio
Ignoring pain is what we do
round pendant
I mean it does apply to breaking your leg in some ways
sacred hedge
hope you'll apply that IRL too if you ever break your leg
just ignore pain and l...
Wishing someone irl is not cool bruv
round pendant
But it's a bit of a different scenario innit?
sharp gale
Ignoring pain is what we do
sacred hedge
I think authorities have to do something
sharp gale
at least hospital is free in your country if you break your legs right ?
round pendant
People don't want to do rehab because it hurts but it ends up setting them back and making their recovery longer or they even end up with long term issues
red tree
at least hospital is free in your country if you break your legs right ?
Now that's a good joke
solemn depot
it's a crutch in both situations, and it, you know, shows what the point and purpose of crutches is. in both situations. they help you get back on your feet faster. like BSV.
round pendant
crutches can be necessary to even move for some people
and due to an actual physical injury/ailment?
I was gonna be toxic sorry
solemn depot
good on you for catching yourself
i'm trying to catch myself before i wreck myself by not casting SB manually when i should be
look at us, learning and growing (maybe)
round pendant
Personal growth feelsgoodman
but for reals just have WA honk a horn at you when your SB is like <4s
sharp gale
I prefer human barks sound for my WAs
solemn depot
excuse me?
round pendant
arf
sharp gale
excuse me?
It does stutter you so you perfectly know why it made that sound
solemn depot
you need jesus
round pendant
just kinda sucks how you can't increase the volume of WA sounds higher than the channel they're on
I have my game on like 5% volume
can barely hear the suppressed gunshot sound I use for my tclap falling off
sharp gale
I have on master (I decreased the suboptions)
solemn depot
try the sawed off shotgun sound? i hear they're loud
solemn depot
when it fell off might be 2s too late tho
round pendant
do you have any logs
sharp gale
I want to add the vine boom sound effect
you just throw the file in the WA sound fold
round pendant
I wanted to look at your CPM
Most pwar issues come from just not pressing buttons enough
mostly SS
sharp gale
yeah because it feels off dropping SB with HR
solemn depot
yes, it's a side effect of being new to the class and the spec and tanking and positioning as tank.
round pendant
Yeah but now you know the solution (press buttons more)
you don't need to defend yourself
sharp gale
if you have questions on positions / gathering
solemn depot
so many
sharp gale
there are general things i follow (like death ball point / end gathering is on a caster)
solemn depot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1pfw8vqxXDY7h4rF?fight=3&type=summary
is the only 10 log i have, i think
sharp gale
you end on the pack with the MOST casters if you have more
solemn depot
it wasn't my log and the person who was logging is german
round pendant
idk what Thane is like this season as I haven't played it
solid sun
That damage is low
solemn depot
super chill
okay. is it low for someone who has not played warrior since he was doing stupid shit as a level 38 fury warrior in vanilla until exactly 1 week ago?
solid sun
But idk if that’s because you pulled small the whole time, are thane, or weren’t pressing buttons as I gleaned from barely reading earlier
solemn depot
or ^
round pendant
Yeah your CPM is low for thane
sharp gale
idk what Thane is like this season as I haven't played it
same gameplay as last season, but damage L yeah
round pendant
I get ~70 CPM as colossus and I assume thane is higher than that
sharp gale
my first 10, first week was as thane, and i discovered it didn't tank more than colossus 
sharp gale
I get ~70 CPM as colossus and I assume thane is higher than that
remove the part they wipe
solemn depot
where do you see overall CPM?
sharp gale
bump gone wrong i guess on the first part
round pendant
still 60CPM
round pendant
where do you see overall CPM?
Casts tab
solemn depot
60 CPM to your 70 when i'm brand spanking new sounds.. fine? not good, but fine
i'm very happy with being mid right now, given my level of experience
round pendant
Sure it's good enough as shown by the fact you timed the key
Your blocked hits is fine too
But you can get more dam and more survivability by just focusing on pressing SS more
sharp gale
yeah if you have no dead gcd as thane (around 55-60) it's just more IP dumping
solemn depot
hence the SB/SS macro instead of SB
solid sun
Idk how to say this without possibly coming across as a bit of an ass, but if you’re just gonna keep mentioning things are fine because you’re new and you’re happy being mid idk why you’re linking logs
round pendant
well he linked cause I asked
solemn depot
^
solid sun
I may feel differently about this after I consume coffee
solemn depot
he wanted to see my SB CPM or CPM
solid sun
Just say nah I’m good
sharp gale
you do waste rage a lot
solemn depot
two people literally just told you why i linked the log, wtf
because he asked it and he was curious about my CPM and i'm fine with him being curious about it and wanted to see what it was/what it means for me as a player
best go get that coffee
solemn depot
you do waste rage a lot
i mostly exist in two states, capped on rage or not enough for a SB and I (borderline) die
I'm going to tweak my rage bar more to try and prevent that from happening
round pendant
Also since you were thane, you pressed revenge too much methinks
solemn depot
what else am i supposed to use rage on if i'm capped on IP?
round pendant
You don't care about IP cap
sharp gale
IP
solemn depot
executes and?
no I mean when my IP shield is at 80-90% of max possible strength and duration is like 8s
sharp gale
IP dump is whatever the amount of IP you have
round pendant
Never EVER refuse to press IP because it's capped/near cap
sharp gale
even as COlossus
solemn depot
okay, can do. why though?
sharp gale
because anger management
and you can't spender anywhere else
since your gcds are mostly builders as thane
solemn depot
revenge. but yeah, that makes sense.
round pendant
Revenge is a wet noodle as thane, you wanna spend rage (which thane has a lot of) to get your CDR
solemn depot
i did feel like my AM procs were suspiciously low, that is probably why
sharp gale
nop bc revenge prevents you from pressing SS and TC (which is more important as thane)
solemn depot
but revenge becomes a dry bronze die cast noodle when it gets you a SS reset into TCs
round pendant
And you just revenge as a last resort to hopefully get a SS reset
Yeah but you'll never press it over tclap as thane
sharp gale
yeah as thane you want to revenge only you are gcd locked but can revenge (it's the filler as thane, TC is the filler as colossus)
round pendant
Also another minor thing, don't spend Violent Outburst on tclap
You wanna spend it on Shield Slam
TBlast is acceptable I think I don't really remember
on big aoe
solemn depot
i am not tracking that at all, but probably should
sharp gale
i think 8 targets is TC violent outburst, i don't remember
round pendant
ye sounds right
solemn depot
i was just ignoring it/thinking of it as a bonus
sharp gale
yeah it is really minor
solemn depot
even as COlossus
is that correct tho?
round pendant
I don't agree that it's minor
sharp gale
don't think about it now especially as thane (but it will be important as colossus)
solemn depot
isn't the primary dumpspender revenge in colossus, unless you need IP?
round pendant
Spending it on tclap is really bad imo
I got a lot more overall dps when I started using it "properly"
sharp gale
isn't the primary ~~dump~~spender revenge in colossus, unless you need IP?
revenge is not a dumping button
dumping meaning you need to consume rage bc you will overcap
round pendant
You IP to prevent overcapping and then it's just SS > Revenge > TClap
solemn depot
so above 80 rage with 90% IP absorb strength and 10s remaining duration as colossus i should still send IP over revenge?
sharp gale
and the most efficient way to dump rage (when you are above 70-80) is IP
solemn depot
oy vey. is the +30 rage talent a no-go?
solid sun
revenge is not a dumping button
This isn’t true actually
sharp gale
+30 rage cap doesn't add anything just you start higher dumping rage
yes i know at certain tagets number you just spazm revenge
solid sun
When you press revenge you dump on them mobs big time
solemn depot
it makes it easier to keep range undercapped and above 30 for a SB
coem on guys, can i not have a SINGLE fucking crutch 😦
solemn depot
that was thane
sharp gale
yes it is usually the timing when rage is at 20-30, people don't think about revenge is still the button to press if no SS
solid sun
Too many IP presses, not enough Revenge presses, not enough SS presses
And then you’re rage starved and sad
solemn depot
and dead and made 4 other people sad
charred ivy
solid sun
Classic warrior maneuver
solemn depot
im just sad i don't have a log for that colossus cinderbrew
solemn depot
on that topic, do you have anything that always automatically logs?
round pendant
Loggerhead
jagged pier
mrt, loggerhead theres probably more
warm plinth
Make sure advanced combat logging is enabled in your network settings in-game or the logs are useless
solemn depot
just enable it for all mythic dungeons under party?
solemn depot
Make sure advanced combat logging is enabled in your network settings in-game or...
yeah it is, i just didn't have any auto logging enabled
round pendant
It can ask you when you enter an instance if you wanna log it
then it'll remember that
solemn depot
ty
round pendant
yeah my brain just autocorrected it
solemn depot
two wrongs DO make a right
slender bison
Anybody attempted pulling 2 void rock mobs in Rookery last platform? Let's say 10 key
round pendant
my WA pack is so good
solemn depot
Anybody attempted pulling 2 void rock mobs in Rookery last platform? Let's say 1...
i don't see the problem if people focus one down and keep the other one above 50% until the first one is dead
slender bison
Trying to hyper optimise, not sure yet if healer can manage if we de sync the aoe
Yeah, exactly
Same as Grim Batol duo flame casters
solemn depot
i don't think it would be easy to reliably desync it, just prio 1 and when it's at a few % switch
but that would only work in the last 2 packs basically, and then you have a caster too
slender bison
The problem is that there is other trash that can snipe clothies
solemn depot
and then that's probably higher prio and cleave damage might bring both below 50% before you're ready
what the leapers? they do like very mid damage on a 10, 15% of my monk's health bar
slender bison
Leap + Void lady ball
solemn depot
i would absolutely focus the caster first, because dodging orbs while the void zones are up is unfun
slender bison
Yeah, kinda messy pull
solemn depot
but then depending on how much cleave you have you might not be able to get away with having 2 big guys up
why are you hyper optimizing this on a 10 tho?
slender bison
Can't do it in PUG unless we're like 6 min in and boss needs at least 4-5 min
solemn depot
the timer for a 10 is very generous there imo
slender bison
Farming crests
And maybe make this decision when I feel the group is right in higher keys
solemn depot
boss should go down in about 3 mins tho, in my experience. i can check my logs but 3 to 3 and a bit mins feels about right, he should definitely die during 3rd vuln phase at the latest
slender bison
But it's way too dangerous. A wipe here bricks the key
What about triple pack at 1st boss?
solemn depot
i mean technically you could pull first void guy and 2nd into the pack between them. but then you also have a caster and need to backtrack for first caster pack
slender bison
Seems too much overlap with the bird aoe
solemn depot
i think those have an icd, let me check
apparently not
triple pulls there are fine, like 2 or 4
only the slightly bigger icon birds have the aoe
slender bison
Nice. But need confidence based on 1st quartermaster pull
solemn depot
what i really hate is pulling the 3 casters from 5 into anything else because it becomes too many interrupts and just those 3 are bad enough
i do first pack (with pack to the right) with lust and CDs into JUST pull 5 in the screenshot above to get that out of the way and get CDs back, then go to 2, then 3, then 4
2 can be segued into 3 easily, or you can grab 3 with the patrol that's part of 4 in the screenshot if they're heading that way
slender bison
what i really hate is pulling the 3 casters from 5 into anything else because it...
I actually do bottom half of 4 with 5 and disruption shout
They die fast unless bad luck sniping the same target
solemn depot
i've had way too many pugs without a balance druid that wiped on any pack + those 3 casters
because pugs don't reliably interrupt, or they overlap, or they use an aoe stop as someone or multiple someones are kicking
slender bison
what i really hate is pulling the 3 casters from 5 into anything else because it...
Oh wasn't considering lust since I prefer to have 1st pull to have ready at x2 big guys hall
solemn depot
and one person dying is almost a guaranteed wipe, because you lose 1 interrupt and it snowballs
slender bison
Yeah
solemn depot
i lust the first pull of the dungeon, orb guy + 3 guys to the right
slender bison
Yeah
The most time sink here since to be this platform and the void rock mobs down stairs
solemn depot
if your comp has very high prio damage and low-ish natural cleave you can try that last pull with 2 void and caster
or you could do the parasol skip since it's available in trading post right now
slender bison
if your comp has very high prio damage and low-ish natural cleave you can try th...
Just to be clear - today I do the 2 void caster dwarves together. Then the last 2 rock mobs remain, which I'm curious if I can stack
solemn depot
i meant the last 2 pulls in the dungeon, to the left of the boss
you can't pull that last void caster separately, can you?
solid sun
Just to be clear - today I do the 2 void caster dwarves together. Then the last ...
I pull the little mobs to the void caster on the right and then pull the void caster in the center area with the void rock pack in the corner
Leaves one pack left with both a void rock and void caster
I tried doing the two void rock packs that are next to each other on a 12 I think it was and we had a few deaths but we pulled it off
The outlaw rogue told me not to do it again
slender bison
Leaves one pack left with both a void rock and void caster
Yeah, you're doing 2nd to last rock void with the mid void caster. I'm doing both void casters. Did you pull 1st void rock with the other right void dwarf?
Lmao too much void in these comments
slender bison
The outlaw rogue told me not to do it again
Now I wanna try it since I see all these 675/678 geared guys
Heal will need therapy
solemn depot
I pull the little mobs to the void caster on the right and then pull the void ca...
but you have 2 void casters then
the one right in front of the boss and the one to the right before the boss
but i still think 2 void casters + big rock hurt less than 2 big rocks + void caster
because your melee can hide under the void caster that is doing bouncy balls
slender bison
Rock pack - two void casters - rock pack - rock/void caster
slender bison
but i still think 2 void casters + big rock hurt less than 2 big rocks + void ca...
Yes, this makes sense. One rock with two void casters. The initial ones
solemn depot
yeah so technically you can just pull both void casters from range into the first rock, but again, you would need to make sure that you don't get the rock down to 50% before void casters are dead
i don't know how 2 void casters' heal absorbs overlap, but 2 sets of orbs while dodging the purple void zones sounds like a wipe to me
slender bison
Last two packs are two rocks + a caster which is insane. Forgot about it's heal absorb cast
solemn depot
depends on your healer and dps. if you have a pally with wings and house of cards, and you can burst one or both of them fast enough, you can probably do 2 rocks + void caster if 2 void zone casts overlapping don't one-shot anyone
solid sun
The two casters plus all those small ones into a rock will raise the rock’s stacks pretty high yeah?
You’d probably have to delay it
slender bison
Small ones not in last two packs. Only like 5 guys
solid sun
Yeah but didn’t you say the two casters into the rock? They also have an additional small baby dwarf pack between them and all the other associated mobs
solemn depot
i know that the rock guys have increased damage on the void zone ability based on how many of their buddies are present/died, but idk what range it has
if it has a max range, maybe you could kill everything else and then pull those 2 back to where mid caster was?
slender bison
It's easier to kill small ones, casters and avoid rock mob to 50% since it's Unleash spell does dmg based on dead small ones
Ok, I'll try this later
solemn depot
oh nvm it just continuously bfufs itself with this
you can't just kill all the other mobs first so it doesn't get the buff because it can cast it immediately on pull and get the (permanent) buff
final linden
how does the DR for stuns etc work, on my lock i just do it as i please
solemn depot
It's easier to kill small ones, casters and avoid rock mob to 50% since it's Unl...
or it does damage based on infinite duration stacks of that buff which it can cast at any time, i think
slender bison
you can't just kill all the other mobs first so it doesn't get the buff because ...
Yes but it's the 50% hp spell that giga kills you. That needs to be 20 sec after everyone's dead
To deplete the stacks
solemn depot
the 2% damage buff doesn't have a duration though, how does "20 secs after" help you?
harsh trellis
So uh what are you guys theorycrafting this mornin
solemn depot
rookery 10 apparently
harsh trellis
what is up with rookery 10?
solemn depot
To deplete the stacks
i don't think they ever deplete
harsh trellis
also that is a useless skip, scrolling up there
main thistle
Guys i need help on picking my weekly upgrade. I think i got fugged really bad again. So i am wearing a improvised seaforium peacemaker champ 8/8 and a scrapfield hero 6/6. And my weekly vault is this: https://gyazo.com/e7c31509f58821cb169dbf02c15f8bbb
I ran a sim and it told me the Viscera of Coalesced Hatred is best with the imrpovised seaforium. It is also a C -tier trinket compared to the remnant of darkness. What do i do?
those are myth btw
harsh trellis
Guys i need help on picking my weekly upgrade. I think i got fugged really bad a...
viscera
solemn depot
also that is a useless skip, scrolling up there
agree, i think doing the 2 extra packs (on your right) after you drop down from first boss and using parasol skip is faster and safer
harsh trellis
agree, i think doing the 2 extra packs (on your right) after you drop down from ...
My rookery pull hasnt changed 2-12
harsh trellis
it feels so poop outside execute phases though
I dont use any of those things
im just going over whatever the hell https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/protection/trinkets/castingpatchwerk
says
solemn depot
My rookery pull hasnt changed 2-12
well, clusterhead wants to change his pull to optimize it further for farming crests ig
solemn depot
im just going over whatever the hell https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/prote...
isn't that a personal sim that doesn't really apply to others tho?
harsh trellis
isn't that a personal sim that doesn't really apply to others tho?
I dont know, I dont care, I just go by whatever line is larger. and personally I dont use any of those trinkets. I just stick with the tome and pacemaker
harsh trellis
The question was asking between 2 trinkets
solemn depot
both suck ass
this is correct
solemn depot
but viscera is more consistent
yes but it's still consistent ass
harsh trellis
so you want to go with whatever youre gonna get more dmg out of there since theres nothing else in your vault
harsh trellis
^
solemn depot
i would honest to god grab remnant and hope for a tuning pass just because viscera sucks so much ass
harsh trellis
boom
thats it
SO Back to rookery
doing a 10. theres nothing fancy that needs to be done
harsh trellis
In pugs. especially I would avoid fancy skips
solemn depot
don't think he's doing a pug, and it's not about timing it, but making it more efficient
solemn depot
i don't think the skip he's considering does that
solemn depot
I got you there
what will you do with me now that you have me?
solemn depot
i know
i just.. don't want to. especially psf. floodgate i like
lavish sleet
Damn took a break from the game and just saw the Prot warrior nerfs 😦
solemn depot
but i will have to
solemn depot
because it's bad
harsh trellis
Damn took a break from the game and just saw the Prot warrior nerfs 😦
no nerfs
just go in and hit shit
solemn depot
Damn took a break from the game and just saw the Prot warrior nerfs 😦
what nerfs?
lavish sleet
I took a 2 month break maybe to update* So the march nerfs
harsh trellis
I took a 2 month break maybe to update* So the march nerfs
its fine
go colossus
and have fun
solemn depot
can't even get a fucking funhouse lens from delves
lavish sleet
go colossus
Will do
solemn depot
you can't chain run it for a (hero) funhouse lens
one shot a week or vault
i've shot my shot this week and got papa's prized putter
harsh trellis
@slender bison https://keystone.guru/V8dqhgS
I added notes.
all the ! have notes on chaining pulls. The point is to keep chaning pulls into each other to save time
lusty grotto
idk if i would do 2x voidriders
on lower keys
depends if healers can maintain healing up
its not a complicated dungeon, you can do 4 pulls there without having a double voidrider pull
an absolutely 0 reason to do parasol skip
solid sun
Rookery very lenient on the timer
solemn depot
<@338293279579963404> https://keystone.guru/V8dqhgS
very interesting notes, thank you for that
lusty grotto
if youre worried about caster packs in 1st boss room, you can pull them by themselves
solemn depot
an absolutely 0 reason to do parasol skip
because they're rushing is the only reason, yeah
but it literally saves like 15 seconds?
cerulean burrow
i think you can also combine 18+19 so long as people focus and void ascendent ive never really had issue with it
solemn depot
if youre worried about caster packs in 1st boss room, you can pull them by thems...
seems like a best practice with the added benefit of letting you get CDs back up for either double patrol or patrol + 2 packs or double patrol + 2 packs
lusty grotto
i think im missing context for this
is this for anyone?
because its not a good route for anyone
harsh trellis
Updated
solemn depot
which route isn't a good route. nav's?
lusty grotto
are we MDI'ing and aiming for the lowest timer in a 10?
solemn depot
i think im missing context for this
you probably are. it is for someone, but they've dipped out of the convo, so at this second it's for nobody i guess
harsh trellis
I just updated it so the void riders arent double pulled
but thats the route I use on 12s
solemn depot
odd, i see the update but the mdt import text didn't update
harsh trellis
i think you can also combine 18+19 so long as people focus and void ascendent iv...
I tried chaining 15 into 17 once and it was bad the voidstone was unkillable
solemn depot
https://threechest.io?id=NRlUTOwxxKG
what does that have to do with discussing a faster route for 10s?
lusty grotto
it applies
solemn depot
sure, in the sense that any route for rookery "applies"
lusty grotto
what exactly are you looking for
solemn depot
you probably are. it is for someone, but they've dipped out of the convo, so at ...
i'm not
but i am thankful for nav's annotated route all the same
solemn depot
i didn't ask you anything, and i'm not sure anyone else did either, so i can see why you're confused
harsh trellis
our main goal is to avoid any downtime in pulls
lusty grotto
what does that have to do with discussing a faster route for 10s?
this seems like a question
harsh trellis
low keys you can pull stop
lusty grotto
am i wrong?
harsh trellis
ask if everyone is ok
solemn depot
lmao
lusty grotto
get to the point, what is your problem with my suggestions?
its a public channel right? im coming into the convo just like anyone can
solemn depot
you need to take a breather. i don't have a problem with your suggested route. it's your route, enjoy it and may you time all your keys with it.
solemn depot
you're right, i won't, and just let you wonder out loud for nobody else to reply to you
in the future. good? good.
solemn depot
that is very clear, yes
lusty grotto
uh huh
cerulean burrow
solemn depot
mostly i was replying because you asked questions. "is this for anyone?" -> yes "are we aiming for the lowest timer in a 10?" -> someone is, or for a lowER timer
lusty grotto
ok
solemn depot
I like skipping 1 void diffuser if possible.
that's how public discussion forums generally work. people ask questions, and people reply.
anyways nav, thanks for the route. do you mean you skip the one after floating down?
harsh trellis
that's how public discussion forums generally work. people ask questions, and pe...
I dont have any skips.
Im just sayin after the dwarf boss you go into that room with 3 mobs. you waste time trying to kill all 3. Just focus the caster and jump down.. the other 2 mobs will chain to you at the bottom.
solemn depot
don't do that one then. some people skip the first pack to the right of void orb guy and pull a diffuser into the patrolling oracle pack once they get down
lusty grotto
Im just sayin after the dwarf boss you go into that room with 3 mobs. you waste ...
yeah that works
solemn depot
sorry, i confused you. the first part of my reply to you was in reply to nimchip
harsh trellis
theres no reason really to get heated over rookery
this season is the best its been I feel like. Im just having fun in all these keys
solemn depot
i'm cool as a chilled cucumber
solemn depot
the racehorse?
slender bison
The whole Rookery thing started when I asked if anybody had a good time pulling 2 void rocks together at last boss
harsh trellis
I had to search the name because Im not in the know
but it was a discord thing
I think
lusty grotto
The whole Rookery thing started when I asked if anybody had a good time pulling ...
in that case
harsh trellis
The whole Rookery thing started when I asked if anybody had a good time pulling ...
No
never do that
lol
solemn depot
but it was a discord thing
i'm sure it's very funny
lusty grotto
void rock + ascendant is already hard without oracle priests
i havent done 2x voidstones so im unsure if they sync or not
but if they do, youre pretty much dead
slender bison
You keep one above 50% like Grim Batol duo Ascendents
lusty grotto
yeah its possible
slender bison
But enough theory, I'll try today
lusty grotto
but is there any reason to
solemn depot
and it's difficult to prio the ascendant while not cleaving the rocks sufficiently to bring them to/under 50, and then once you prio the first rock the 2nd is almost guaranteed to dip under 50
solemn depot
would pulling 16 with either 15+17 and lust or 18+19 and lust be too much?
technically it should only be an additional 12% damage on the void extraction thingy, so shouldn't bring it into one-shot territory
don't think you get lust back fast enough for even 3rd vuln phase on boss, even if you lust 15+16+17 tho
lusty grotto
that being said, g18+g19 is already a difficult pull, if people arent actively LoSing or know what they're doing it could be a no go, probably not even doable in higher keys
probably simpler to lust, and chain pull after casters are dead to reduce damage
or lust halfway when doing the chain
after casters are dead
frosty mango
i havent done 2x voidstones so im unsure if they sync or not
It’s based on combat time I think so mostly yea if you pull together they do sync.
IMO risk v reward isn’t there and I agree. Even with oracle priest the risk of death isnt worth the 45s you gain
lusty grotto
the latter sems like the way to go about it
sorry, meaning for g18+g19
but yeah i agree with you Roid
frosty mango
If you need to double those packs to time the key there are a billion other less risky things to optimize
lusty grotto
yup
frosty mango
You can double the packs before second boss and lust which is high value lust
Almost every group splits those because circle suck guys = scary but basically any healer can brute force the first double with lust and there shouldn’t be a second overlap
You can also gain a ton of time in the first boss room by doing a quad pull on the right side first pull with lust assuming you have effective kicks
Solar beam + disrupting shout can basically lock down that entire side long enough to melt it
Then you have them up again coming around to double the triple caster pack with the one before it
lunar jackal
is there a point at which we just wanna stop going for haste and focus more on crit / vers (mainly for gems/ enchants and stuff as such)
solemn depot
is there a point at which we just wanna stop going for haste and focus more on c...
other than when you approach the gcd cap?
lunar jackal
I have absolutely no idea when that is
frosty mango
is there a point at which we just wanna stop going for haste and focus more on c...
There’s a point where crit will sim higher dps for you but haste is still highly valuable for slam cdr
Im not sure when that is
Happened for me around 26-27000 haste I think?
There are galaxy brain players who can answer much better
solemn depot
I have absolutely no idea when that is
~~50%~~100% haste (in combat with procs)
lusty grotto
You can double the packs before second boss and lust which is high value lust
yeah that was what i was talking about when i said g17 + g18
lusty grotto
is there a point at which we just wanna stop going for haste and focus more on c...
when you can reliably maintain SB you can go for other stats, there isn't a specific number, we dont care about caps since we cant reach them
SB with ITF specifically
under 14k with 4pc you go HR, those are the only conditions for haste really
urban portal
~~50%~~100% haste (in combat with procs)
Gcd cap is 100% haste
frosty mango
Gcd cap is 100% haste
TIL I am gcd capped with lust
solemn depot
Gcd cap is 100% haste
oh shit, the cap is 0.75, not 1
urban portal
TIL I am gcd capped with lust
How do you have 60-70% haste without lust
lunar jackal
How do you have 60-70% haste without lust
im at 54% with full ITF stacks + flask and oil i'm assuming with a haste trinket and a proc of enchant can prolly reach that 60
solemn depot
TIL I am gcd capped with lust
neither is lust
lusty grotto
once again, you go other stats when youre comfortable with your SB uptime and most importantly your effective uptime
dont look at specific numbers for haste and shoot for those
lunar jackal
I don't . Personally I was merely curious.
lusty grotto
until we can reliably hit 2nd or 3rd softcaps unbuffed, we won't really care about X haste
as a goal post
lusty grotto
I don't . Personally I was merely curious.
gotcha
frosty mango
How do you have 60-70% haste without lust
Hoping and wishing
long bronze
Tfw mastery is your highest swimming stat
dense remnant
i dont like swimming
dense remnant
get a better keyboard app 👍
mortal cypress
Thanks phone
dont swim with ur phone
long bronze
mortal cypress
stack ears
lusty grotto
LOL
dense remnant
lusty grotto
long bronze
Tfw crit haste and strength are your lowest simming stats 
frosty mango
That’s not true
lusty grotto
happens
long bronze
I don't wanna use mastery enchants 
frosty mango
just get a house of cards
Hoc big vibes
long bronze
Imagine needing trinkets
frosty mango
Feels great when you press it
long bronze
lusty grotto
frosty mango
Funhouse lens also feels great when you press it and get crit
Highly recommend even tho I know you are a funhouse hater
lusty grotto
im not, there's just better
round pendant
lusty grotto
and if its not the top trinket from delves, im not gonna do delves for it
round pendant
This guy didn't appreciate me pvping him in the duel in ToP
frosty mango
im not, there's just better
Lots of better ones you don’t have 😑
lusty grotto
This guy didn't appreciate me pvping him in the duel in ToP
LOL
long bronze
I got my rik neck yesterday so basically all I need is some random myth shoulders to catalyze and a couple crafts and I'm yuge
frosty mango
This guy didn't appreciate me pvping him in the duel in ToP
Bro that’s the game
When I play 3m ele build on sham in low keys I pop all my cds on duel
Just because
long bronze
the duel is CCing two people
lusty grotto
as you should
frosty mango
It’s my 15 dollars and I’ll do what I want
long bronze
one person using their cds to blow the other up fast is based
lusty grotto
fuck em, i want the buff
round pendant
I feel like sin rogue is super good there because Sudden Demise is huge
he got to half hp and just popped
it was only a +7 btw
round pendant
absolute comedy
lusty grotto
i cant stop laughing at "DID U JHUST SRSLY"
mortal cypress
This guy didn't appreciate me pvping him in the duel in ToP
i just call out "kill me" and stand there, because most people seem to be on the spectrum or children, and have to win
cerulean tusk
mortal cypress
i just want to get the dungeon over with asap
long bronze
top is 100% certified suck ass dungeon
pallid quiver
i just call out "kill me" and stand there, because most people seem to be on the...
That's me, i gotta
long bronze
you can realistically do that on 3 of the bosses I guess
pallid quiver
waiting for someone to pull trash onto last boss
frosty mango
Yea and you can pull bow guys into second mini boss
frosty mango
waiting for someone to pull trash onto last boss
I do this every key
That trash has zero mechanics
long bronze
usually the trash on last boss is dead or close to dead by the time the boss is up
I dunno gorechop and first boss is really the only "Bring trash" move boss
and first boss is one mob
and gorechop is 2
how exciting
frosty mango
How many is irrelevant, number of pulls is the time gain
round pendant
i just call out "kill me" and stand there, because most people seem to be on the...
in low keys I'll pvp because it's funny to see peoples reactions
frosty mango
IMO top is frustrating because it’s a grind, bunch of little pulls
round pendant
yeah top sucks
frosty mango
Condensing into bosses makes it feel a zillion times better
mortal cypress
in low keys I'll pvp because it's funny to see peoples reactions
oh yeah that is different
just have a bit of fun
warm plinth
Boomie be like but I have CD when they're down there with a dps warrior that can kill them in 2 seconds
pallid quiver
Boomie be like but I have CD when they're down there with a dps warrior that can...
yeah yeah spell reflect idiot, oomkins deserve it
lusty grotto
round pendant
He commented on my dps
I'm a sin rogue, single target fight who got sent down TWICE
how am I supposed to have any damage lmao
lusty grotto
lol
round pendant
also 15 ilvls below him
round pendant
we both did get sent down together each time
but I didn't stun him the second time
for some reason it didn't come out
still beat him tho
round pendant
people in keys under 10 sure are something
harsh trellis
under 10 is super serious
warm plinth
still beat him tho
How did you resist saying "didn't stun you that time" lol
lusty grotto
round pendant
Sin feels absolutely awful in st
it's SO bad and it makes people think I'm shit at the game
round pendant
How did you resist saying "didn't stun you that time" lol
damn I should have
round pendant
yes it is
round pendant
lol
my gear is pretty bad on my rogue
I haven't had a drop in like 8 dungeons too
lusty grotto
oh
solid sun
:(
lusty grotto
solid sun
Doing it with ten people definitely feels weird
solid sun
Yeah
solid sun
Yes
lusty grotto
that fight kinda seems like it would be harder with lower numbers or maybe im wrong idk
just 1 person sniping others with icicle
LOL
im sorry
solid sun
lol yeah
I will say though, everyone’s first attempt at hitting mines with the icicles was pretty hilarious
lusty grotto
well, a 6.5% wipe basically means a kill tbh
long bronze
we did a rat raid with like 13 alts and it wasn't that bad
getting every mechanic at 639 is kinda rough though I'll tell you that
solid sun
Sometimes some of you say stuff that really nails it home for me that we don’t all play the same game
solid sun
we did a rat raid with like 13 alts and it wasn't that bad
Did your rat raid blow us out of the water?
long bronze
uh yes
lusty grotto
oof
long bronze
our avg ilvl was 657 and we had 6.3m more dps than yall
long bronze
my 639 lock did more dps than your bottom 8
lusty grotto
lol
solid sun
Idk
strong forum
Your group has some learning to do
long bronze
yeah I did 1.2 at 639 as Demo, but I also suck and the boss picked me for every fucking mechanic
it was actually comedy
solid sun
I do well enough to try my best and worry about me lol
strong forum
Back then I also turbo sucked DW
vocal lintel
Signet vs Crit/Mastery cloak for prot?
strong forum
But I somehow managed to snag a top 30 log on my warlock on HC
long bronze
huge
strong forum
Signet vs Crit/Mastery cloak for prot?
Cloak
long bronze
being that low ilvl on these fights is a little spooky once you've used your defensives
signet is not good for us
it's also not good for arms, I dunno about fury
lusty grotto
Kinda wish I had time for a little rat
long bronze
I'd also say cape if you don't have a myth one
vocal lintel
Ye just have a hero one, gonna take cloak then. Thx!
long bronze
I do have Of The Black Harvest on my lock so you know I'm OG
solid sun
I will say
frosty mango
Did your rat raid blow us out of the water?
Wat is this even
It hurts me to look at this
solid sun
Idk mate. I purposely don’t look at logs until after raid is over
Imagine my surprise when that’s what I saw
frosty mango
What fight is that lol
solid sun
We drug them kicking and screaming
frosty mango
But I somehow managed to snag a top 30 log on my warlock on HC
Just play healer in a bad raid, ez path to parse. I got multiple r1 healing parses on prog just because everyone was constantly on fire every fight
solid sun
It isn’t always bad I guess. We killed Sprocket before the second intermission which I think is pretty reasonable given the skill level of the group
Wait nope, we didn’t. We killed after second intermission
It’s def been made clear that I should find some new gamers to wow with though
north mist
is a myth track ringing ritual mud good or is a heroic tome still better?
long bronze
tome
but they kinda accomplish different things
tome is a dps trinket
mud is a "I fucked up big time and I need to sacrifice a trinket slot to save my dumb ass" trinket
tired prairie
For >+12 i would say Mud for Big Pulls
long bronze
also no
if you need mud to live anything at a 12 13 14 you messed up
I'd probably say 15 too but I've not done a 15 yet
strong forum
Mud serves its purpose as an additional defensive. It's not great, the cd is ass. But it serves its purpose. But not at all needed
long bronze
and if you feel like you need one of those wear a bomb suit
solid sun
Just get a bomb suit
long bronze
sense is using one in his 17's and he's just pressing it on CD
bomb suit
so it's not like it's being used to tactically save his life
I guess you could argue doing that lets you hold your other defensives when suit is up but I don't know if he's doing that
long bronze
tl;dr defensive trinkets are not useful for content 99.9% of pwars are doing
especially because the other trinkets we can get are actually good for once
lusty grotto
in 17s i can see it being useful
lusty grotto
yea
long bronze
the tomb gives you crit rating
I'm actually not sure about your question though
like if dwarves get more parry idk
kind urchin
Battle stance specifically says critical strike chance of your abilities. Tome does give parry.
lusty grotto
solid sun
On H Mug do you start on the dirt side or metal side
Or does it actually matter
We were starting on the dirt side and our prot pal has some strong opinions about how pugs apparently start on the metal side so we should, too
foggy skiff
gotta min/max how many times you get to run around pissing everywhere
I'll never be able to see Gold Knuckles the same....
sharp gale
HUUUUUGE
frosty mango
Where you start depends on your dps
You don’t wanna have to hold dps and ideally you don’t want multiple gaol phases (because it bricks your dps) so it’s kind of raid dependent
That being said start on gaol side bc ez
long bronze
I'll never be able to see Gold Knuckles the same....
it's really our fault for being so hydrated
nocturne junco
is there any specific / suggested routes for +13s for prot warriors
nocturne junco
because i did notice most pulls are for "DHs" since they can pull everything together which could be difficult for warriors withour LoS
long bronze
you also don't need to go crazy to time 13s
half jewel
Anyone able to tell me what WA or part of Plater controls this nameplate element or w.e its called? I am been looking for what does this and I can't seem to figure it out.
small steeple
Anyone able to tell me what WA or part of Plater controls this nameplate element...
which part?
long bronze
there's a few things going on there
long bronze
you got a mythic gally shield?
toxic gyro
Bis from m+*. Its crit haste shield
mortal cypress
I got myth tier legs with leech vs bis shield and can’t decide what to pick <:sa...
use my bonus system like I advised earlier
toxic gyro
use my bonus system like I advised earlier
The what?
long bronze
if you're killing mythic rik and have a crafted shield I'd take the pants if you don't already have myth pants
strong forum
I got myth tier legs with leech vs bis shield and can’t decide what to pick <:sa...
Roll a dice
1 for legs
mortal cypress
The what?
spin your mouse 180 degrees so up is down, left is right etc, then close your eyes and just keep clicking tl you get an item for a spicy bonus (dont do this)
strong forum
2 for shield
toxic gyro
Roll a dice
lol
long bronze
if you're not killing mythic rik probably shield but I'd still take the pants over 3 ilvl on shield if I had hero pants still
toxic gyro
if you're killing mythic rik and have a crafted shield I'd take the pants if you...
I’m killing rik that’s why I’m kinda into taking legs. And I do have crafted shield
strong forum
That's how I decide a lot of choices in wow
long bronze
also "bis" as far as stats on a shield is very nearly irrelevant
toxic gyro
And I mostly m+ so that leech is nice
strong forum
Who tanks, which dungeon to go to etc etc
long bronze
chance are haste/crit isn't actually your bis unless the rest of your gear is perfect or sucks
toxic gyro
That's how I decide a lot of choices in wow
That’s a pretty good way of solving it when both choices are equally good.
long bronze
and shields don't have many secondaries anyways
strong forum
Yeah when nobody wants to make a decision
And nobody cares
Just /roll however many choices there are
1 for top 2 for ws 3 for prior
/ roll 3
Type shit
long bronze
yeah nom but the wow rng is biased against me
toxic gyro
and shields don't have many secondaries anyways
Exactly why I don’t care too much for it. I cba to min max stats like that. Mostly chill with friends in m+ gamer these days.
strong forum
Yeh
strong forum
And if you don't know, the coin will decide
toxic gyro
Yeah when nobody wants to make a decision
I have to start implementing the roll system when we pick a key lol. No one ever picks.
long bronze
you'll kick yourself all the way down the street when rik drops the shield
strong forum
Lol
toxic gyro
You got gallywix shield on mythic
Yes with leech and socket
harsh trellis
go with that
strong forum
There's only like 1 or 2 drops of that shield ever found
long bronze
and if they actually do dinars you're gonna dinar the gally shield and replace your "bis" vault shield insta
long bronze
not gonna dinar myth t pants with leech
toxic gyro
and if they actually do dinars you're gonna dinar the gally shield and replace y...
I don’t think that shield is that good?
long bronze
depends on the rest of your gear
strong forum
Ilvl is ilvl
strong forum
And the shield has free proc
toxic gyro
I’m going House of cards, jaster, and then maybe shield
harsh trellis
Thats why I crafted a 675 wep and shield right from the start cause my guilds progression is lind of slow in mythic.
slender bison
and if they actually do dinars you're gonna dinar the gally shield and replace y...
Isn't next expac in late autumn? S3 will be in summer with no dinars?
toxic gyro
No idea how many dinar items we’ll end up with.
half jewel
I have a max heroic gally shield and the damage feels non existant
strong forum
Next xpac should launch end of this year yeh
long bronze
it basically is non existant but
half jewel
Its like "cool it proc'd and did barely anything"
harsh trellis
I wonder what the next expansion fetish will be
toxic gyro
There's no other shield with a proc
Yea but mythic house and jaster are bigger gain?
strong forum
It comes with 1k free dps
long bronze
at least last time I checked
long bronze
you sure about that
strong forum
Yes
slender bison
I'm ahead of the curve and farming Seat of Triumvirate in prep for S3
half jewel
yea i think it barely does a mil or so dmg over the course of a whole raid boss fight
toxic gyro
I'm ahead of the curve and farming Seat of Triumvirate in prep for S3 <:keks:936...
Pls don’t even say that. That dungeon was so trash especially for melee
strong forum
It was trash cuz the dungeon was already on SL level of complexity
half jewel
my bad almost 7 mil on heroic gally reclear
slender bison
It was 8 years ago, it will make it cool like Neltharion and Underrot and Motherload
slender bison
Shrine of the Storm was top design, but BFA subs didn't like swirlies. Now modern dungeons are more complex than that
toxic gyro
Seat isnt as bad as people remember
Taking absurd dmg while moving debuff was sooo bad. Trying to dodge mechanics and getting destroyed
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> you sure you didn't sim it against an embellished shield
i didnt sim it at all
i just remember it doing like 400 dps in a key
long bronze
well that's a key
strong forum
toxic gyro
That boss with tentacles pretty much required range
half jewel
mythic vexie with heroic gally shield
long bronze
that's 11k free dps right there
solemn depot
I ripped it out of nomeratur's pack
stupid question, but where is the VO tracker here? i can't find it
half jewel
yea its free it just feels lame lmao
strong forum
the first cantrip shield
in almost 2 decades
and it basically doesnt exist
isnt that fun
long bronze
I mean I'm not mad about it
strong forum
i am mad about it
half jewel
at least they didnt take off the secondary stats to give us that proc
long bronze
I wouldn't want to have to choose between a dps gain on a hero shield vs a myth shield without it
long bronze
yeah but those aren't defensive items
half jewel
Basically any item in dragonsoul
long bronze
dps only care about one number
strong forum
yeah and so do i
long bronze
we have to care about two
strong forum
cuz we dont take enough dmg to give a shit
long bronze
shut up no you don't
long bronze
I'm gonna go see if you ever talented into BSV in your keys and call you out
strong forum
IT WAS JUST THAT BROKEN
strong forum
I'm gonna go see if you ever talented into BSV in your keys and call you out
check my highest ones
strong forum
ofc
i have nothing to hide
i was also the only pwar doing 27+ in DF s3 without cheat death
👻
long bronze
cheats are for babies
autumn pendant
when bullshit like Jailer hammer existed
That shit was more broken than majority of legendaries
strong forum
or valk
long bronze
which calling a cheat is kekw
strong forum
which is 45s cd
strong forum
they also get it for free
long bronze
cuz all ppal players suck
strong forum
and dont have to give up 5%+ damage
and their tree having 8 spare points
when we have 0.5 free points
strong forum
eyo
dont flame shieldman
shieldman is a lovely man
scared of witches and trees
@silent osprey
long bronze
he's probably too busy praying to the light or counting his scars to notice your ping
strong forum
fakin paags
long bronze
our cheat should just be that old pvp talent where you couldn't kill warrior for like 3 seconds once they hit 1 hp
aka purg without the negative damage
that would be based
tfw the only realistic upgrades I can get from the rest of mythic prog is shoulders belt and bracers https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/un7uPFXRf5qyaBhkgzVwTA
frosty mango
Our cheat isn’t even a cheat
Honestly you prob get more defensive value out of taking ravager and spamming ignore pain while it’s up
rancid tiger
Half cheat
frosty mango
That’s kinda cope but also kinda true imo
I do take it on floodgate 14 bc pugs are sleeping on big momma
That fourth electrocrush if dps is slackin is big ooof
round cliff
bdks in SL ran heroic jailer hammer over myth weapon
i think fury always used it in offhand over a 2nd myth wep?
not sure
i know i did
solemn depot
this probably sounds stupid, but how exactly do you apply the feedback you get when tracking violent outburst to maximize, say, single target damage (by not spending it on TC/TB)?
I can make a WA say "red" via TTS when i reach 250 rage spent, but if i've already queued tclap/tblast or SS is on cd.. i'm gonna send a buffed TC/TB
and if i see the bar almost getting full and my SS has a 4-5s CD remaining, what, do i just avoid using both SS and TC/TB until i proc it and then use SS?
solemn depot
that might be good
strong forum
but yeah i simply turn TC red
unborn island
I do take it on floodgate 14 bc pugs are sleeping on big momma
I take it on all keys because I'm trash
But....I didn't proc it on 14 big momma last night...somehow
strong forum
maybe you got better
unborn island
Unlikely, probably luck
neon elk
What am i supposed to do when both my ava and demolish are ready yet i still have like 6-8sec on demo shout ? Do i hold or send it without ?
round pendant
ez
unborn island
I'm old, I don't really improve at thing anymore
strong forum
just send
round pendant
What am i supposed to do when both my ava and demolish are ready yet i still ha...
send it
strong forum
in those 8 seconds you are already 20% to your next avatar and demolish again
dont line up
just send
unborn island
The only time I don't just send avatar is priory first boss when I'm out of other CDs
unborn island
Probably not right tbh, but it works for meh
neon elk
Kk thanks, wasnt sure about that one
strong forum
The only time I don't just send avatar is priory first boss when I'm out of othe...
well duh
in tankbuster scenarios you wanna make use of IO ofc
past lark
catching up on prot this season. after all the nerfs to colossus, what's the % dps diff sitting at for thane vs colossus in m+
sharp gale
I got myth tier legs with leech vs bis shield and can’t decide what to pick <:sa...
my brain is not in "bis list" mode so i wouldn't know, if you already have a myth shield but no myth legs i would take the legs
past lark
oh ok so basically go colossus