protection

[harsh trellis]

Bel what level keys are you talkin about here?

[supple plinth]

12-13

[harsh trellis]

Also for the first boss in priory, you can't plant you should be moving out of the boss friends AOE

13 priory isnt that bad

[lusty grotto]

then no

youre not pressing SS enough

youre rage starving with IP cause you think it'll help

instead of using those walls

[frosty mango]

Not directly, no. More things to hit = more rage generally but the first boss of priory isn’t really an issue if you spread your skills effectively. You have three shield walls plus demo shout plus last stand/iv. On 14/15 I will pool rage and not revenge as much so I can IP during pierce but if you are rage starving during bosses then 100% you are not maximizing shield slams

[harsh trellis]

I don't know. I never really think about rage at this point. I just always have rage even with revenge and keeping IP up.

[frosty mango]

The other reason you could be getting rage starved is if you run around a lot and aren’t getting melees in because of range

See that a lot too

[harsh trellis]

if you are feeling rage starved, do you have any logs at all?

[supple plinth]

KK will look more into SS,

I am not rage starved on bosses generally, but surviving that boss is harder, bleeds are pain, so dumping as much as possible into IP and even that sometimes feels like not enough,

not sure about logs, will check when I get home if I have some (cant access site when I am in work)

[frosty mango]

First boss of priory I will start with charge/shield charge to get block up then avatar for the first pierce, wall the second and third, demo + rage pooled IP the fourth, then last stand/iv + rage pooled ip the fifth. From there walls and avatar are reset and you can rotate

[supple plinth]

And good point about 3 shield walls, forgot about one hidden under avatar

[frosty mango]

The bleed definitely can suck but think of IP as a smoothing tool, you need to rotate defensives effectively so that IP can do its job

You can’t facetank tank busters with just IP, especially not bleeds. It’s a layer of defense but not a defensive

[lusty grotto]

if your healer isnt insta dispelling you will find it hard

that judgment cannot be on you

my suggestion is to log

[frosty mango]

The last time I complained about this to a healer they told me to take bitter immunity and kept spamming lava burst

[harsh trellis]

yeah so far, 2 npcs that drive me nuts in keys, first bossin psf and then the orc in Motherlode with the bleed.

[lusty grotto]

and pass the log to us if you cant read it

[lusty grotto]

blacklist

[harsh trellis]

Eversince they fixed healers in DFC, those worm bleeds are no factor.

[frosty mango]

Concur

[lusty grotto]

and go next key 🙂

[frosty mango]

The orc in ml isn’t bad if you have a soothe but if you don’t he’s super scary and I run run run

[harsh trellis]

What does soothe do?

[lusty grotto]

just parry him

c:

[solid sun]

He enrages

[harsh trellis]

does it do anything with the bleed cause the bleed is the scary part.

[solid sun]

When he enrages his attack speed becomes a machine gun

[frosty mango]

Yes it increases his attack speed and makes him stack it faster

[solid sun]

Stacks bleed crazy fast

[harsh trellis]

I should just change to a dwarf

[frosty mango]

And the enrage stacks

[harsh trellis]

dwarf it off

[frosty mango]

So if he gets 3 stacks you’re basically get 5 bleed stacks immediately

[solid sun]

You can run away from him pretty easy, though

[harsh trellis]

thats what I normally do.

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk if dwarf is necessary for him

[harsh trellis]

Im just wondering if theres some secret sauce move

[lusty grotto]

you can manage without

yeah the secret sauce move is

just parry

c:

[solid sun]

Stack crit

[frosty mango]

Dwarf not necessary I am dirty orc

Just run from him

[solid sun]

Max parry

[frosty mango]

When he leaps you leap

Like the dip

[harsh trellis]

just like that

[lusty grotto]

ya ez

[frosty mango]

Just don’t wait till you have 10 bleed stacks and jump away from your healer

[harsh trellis]

ill just have my hunter md to the warlock for some extra mitigation

[frosty mango]

But if you do make sure you blame them

[frosty mango]

Pet taunts actually goated there tbh

Turtle pet with shield taunting fat trash tank busters and bleeds is big brain play

[undone beacon]

Give prot die by the sword and let me parry everything you cowards

[slender bison]

Yeah, but if you leap with 5-6 stacks and he doesn't do the massive slam you're rage starved for IPs until bleed falls off and you die

[vital vale]

id prefer prot had titans grip so I could properly mog polearm with shield

[frosty mango]

You leap when he slams

In the opposite direction

[slender bison]

Get Azshara Naga toy with spear xmog

[frosty mango]

Ideally with your healer following

[frosty mango]

Yes plz

[slender bison]

It's pointless to leap when he slams, the problem is how many stacks you got until he slams. I'm using tome crit activate and the Parry's start saving me

[undone beacon]

I know they didn’t want hero talents to be gameplay redefining but man it would’ve been cool if we had gotten a hoplite hero tree

[slender bison]

Hoplites are slow. Warr Zug is fast

[frosty mango]

It’s not pointless to leap when he slams, when he slams he doesn’t attack so this presents the largest time gap between the next attack to drop the bleed

[slender bison]

Nobody wants a slow zug in their M+ run

[frosty mango]

Much safer then “clench and hope for parry”

[vital vale]

they are gameplay redefining tho. well for some classes at least. try playing devastation's two hero talents, its like an entirely different spec

[undone beacon]

Oh I’m not saying they’re not, that’s just what blizzard said in all their interviews LOL

[frosty mango]

Tbf imagine odyn and the Valajar being huge in warrior lore and none of our hero talents are based on that

Instead we get generic ass “slayer”

[opaque bobcat]

Ya'll think replacing intervene with second wind would help? I'm asking because I am having alot of trouble getting past most 12/13s with pugs, just trying to edge out the small differences that allow me to be killed, Big Momma, for example. Very tough fight it seems for healers in pugs to get me through

[slender bison]

Anyway the real question is S2 dead for warrs at 14s PUGs? Zero invites unless it's 7 AM and DHs are asleep

[undone beacon]

You WILL embrace dwarf lore you WILL be the mountain thane

[frosty mango]

Are you using spellblock and spell reflect for the tank busters

[opaque bobcat]

Yes

[frosty mango]

Then your options are to invite a disc priest

[jagged pier]

second wind aint doing much to save u tbh

[undone beacon]

We literally should’ve gotten Valajar instead of slayer but I digress

[jagged pier]

if you feeling squishy in 12s -13s could be gameplay issue but we would need logs

[slender bison]

Big Momma is rough but your healer needs an external for the 3rd Jumpstart Electrocrush. Rotate CDs for your first 4 Electrocrush casts

[frosty mango]

Also Tbf if your dps is bad on that boss it gets much harder because you run out of cooldowns

[opaque bobcat]

Yeah, I thought as much. I just thought maybe, since tooltip says "heals more the closer you are to death" that maybe that meant like 2 or 3% a second

Figured that might keep me around a bit longer

[slender bison]

If BigMomma has 4 Jumpstarts you should leave, DPS is way too low

[opaque bobcat]

Is it wise to overlap? Spell reflect with shield block for further mitigation, etc.?

[steady mason]

Big Momma convo!
in the 13-14 range, are adds still dying to cleave or should I be swapping around a skull marker to single target them down and try to maximize the dps bonus phase?

[frosty mango]

Less the number of jumpstarts more the number of electrocrushes due to adds being alive too long

[frosty mango]

The adds should be focused

[slender bison]

Spell Reflect always, 25% MDR

[frosty mango]

Still cleave but they need to die asap

[slender bison]

During the Jumpstarts is healer/DK problem

[fringe blaze]

Hoping for some advice, I'm struggling to side step the frontal on the last boss of rookery. I'm either boxed in or cant get far back enough and still getting hit while visably being past the frontal. What do while HL is on cd?

[steady mason]

cleave with main target as adds then, yea?

[frosty mango]

Yes

[opaque bobcat]

I've been trying to jump up on an edge and get the damn drones to stack, anyone found any luck there? Feels like they're just completely fucking our cleave in these higher keys where it really matters so much more

[frosty mango]

Move further back, the range is massive, start running as soon as cast starts. Save hl for overlap with circles

[opaque bobcat]

Aside from the spot up top that range can somehow attack from, that has proven to be absolute aids

[fringe blaze]

I get so far back dps is getting meleed and still getting hit.

[frosty mango]

Ok too far back. If you’re getting hit at that point it’s a you problem, you’re just not reacting fast enough

[versed snow]

Hey guys quick question; 675 vs 678 shield, how minimal/great are the defensive gains?

[fringe blaze]

frfr?

[lusty grotto]

do it

[versed snow]

DPS gains are minimal I know but curious

[steady mason]

I stand on the left side JUST in front of the tracks, still in melee range. When I see the cast start, I begin to strafe and I can walk out of 90% of them

[lusty grotto]

its the only way to get block value

no reason to think about it

[frosty mango]

I just run out of them, leap the overlaps, and if I absolutely need to take one which is rare, I just reflect + wall it

[fringe blaze]

Does reflect work on it?

[frosty mango]

It’s not phys I don’t think so I assumed it did

[opaque bobcat]

the magic dr does, but it does not reflect it, no

[slender bison]

Reflect always for MDR 25%

[solid sun]

He tracks you until a certain point so if you’re running immediately the position of the wave will change

[vital vale]

big momma is rly not that bad. don't forget your avatar is a defensive too with the capstone talent that pairs it with shield wall. you should have either a shieldwall/avatar or a reflect up for every electrocrish and a spell block whenever you want 30 seconds to chill, plus make sure your ignore pain is stacked before, you shouldn't have a problem living. if you make a mistake, BSV is there to save you. as for adds, just kite boss farther from lightning and toss some heroic throws to keep them aggroed. you can't group them properly, even a dk can't.

[frosty mango]

Yea but timers are a thing so it’s really not hard to time it properly

[steady mason]

this is true. a little bit of pre-running helps (probably a latency thing)

[fringe blaze]

Well I'm in these 10s not even knowing reflect has 25% MDR?! ugh I need to study lol

[lusty grotto]

dont pre run

his melee hitbox is MASSIVE

you can hit him from the train tracks

[frosty mango]

Do you read your spells

[solid sun]

His description sounds like the target is moving because they’re running too early

[versed snow]

The last boss in rookery I eat every frontal and never have to be healed, you should have a defense up pretty much all the time

Maybe it's a gear thing though

[fringe blaze]

Yeah, I fell into that as well. Just started eating them 660

[frosty mango]

Just because you can touch the hot stove doesn’t mean you should

[fringe blaze]

Good to know on reflect lol

[opaque bobcat]

Seems BSV is popping way early, idk if the adds damage is adding up or what, but it feels like, with electrocrush debuff, and either the adds melee or big mommas, it's just taking me tf out

[versed snow]

But if it's a cold stove....

[jagged pier]

i bet is popping when its supposed too tbh

[versed snow]

It does no damage, but agree I am above 660 so it could be a gear thing

[jagged pier]

cause for like the 1000% time its not cheat death

and proc on the hit that would have taken u below 30%

but the 80% dr gets added to that hit as well

[frosty mango]

Like a frontal to the face

[fringe blaze]

I mean, I'm taking the hits they're just like deleting my IP

[jagged pier]

so it does far less damage than its supposed too so then your sat at high hit points with bsv proc'd

[opaque bobcat]

I'm using avatar to pop shield wall, using shield walls sometimes even before electrocrush just to stay up, just proving to be a rough fight, and making me feel squishy idk

[vital vale]

he hurts yeah but have you actually died to big momma?

[opaque bobcat]

It has felt better with disc priests however....got her to 20% in a 14, now I can't even kill her in 12s like wtf

[frosty mango]

We had a long convo above about layered defensives for the first boss in priory, all of that advice applies to big momma as well

[vital vale]

i had hey pop bsv early too, the buster hurts, but I dont think i ever actually died there to the buster

[slender bison]

Also get 6% def stance MDR if you're still practicing

[vital vale]

tho haven't done it on 14 yet

but on 12 it was easy enough

[slender bison]

Electrocrush does like 14 mil nature dmg in 13s

Giga tank buster

[solid sun]

Just parry

[steady mason]

Ringing Ritual Mud goes a long way to mitigating the bleed weakness this season

if you can get it from floodgate

[opaque bobcat]

Yeah, i switched out in hopes it felt a bit better but eh....big momma don't play

[frosty mango]

Bomb suit is a game changer too in higher keys

[vital vale]

bomb suit better for war. mud gets consumed too quickly

[opaque bobcat]

Been praying to see it in the weekly chest lol, want that so bad. Not bad enough to actually raid, but yeah

[steady mason]

100% but I dont raid

[solid sun]

Which boss drops tier hat

[frosty mango]

Bring back enduring dreadplate imo

[opaque bobcat]

Real warriors don't wear hats

[solid sun]

False

[opaque bobcat]

lol

[undone beacon]

Bombsuit is so fucking good I got one from H Gally this week and it’s taken so much stress out of gathering pulls

[opaque bobcat]

I couldn't be more jealous.

[undone beacon]

I was a big mud man but blessed be thy Bombsuit

[frosty mango]

Avatar plus bomb suit is big chill

[opaque bobcat]

Anyone used bomb suit with the scrapfield trinket?

Might be overkill, but i was thinking about what it would be like to have both....seems unreal

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[undone beacon]

scrapfield doesn’t do enough to justify its existence

I’ve got my myth pacemaker and it’s never coming off

[frosty mango]

True for a lot of trinkets this tier tbh

[opaque bobcat]

lol, genuine question haha

[frosty mango]

Some of them are just abysmally bad

Like so bad I wonder if it was a mistake in tuning

That’s true across all specs

[undone beacon]

Defensive trinkets with unreliable defensiveness are kinda dog out the gate

[opaque bobcat]

scrapfield was the one with the absorb every 30s below 60% right?

How's that not wild good

[frosty mango]

Some of the healing ones are essentially useless

[versed snow]

So happy to get rid of my scrapfield when i finally got the pacemaker yesterday, good riddance, agree

[opaque bobcat]

Just doesn't feel good? Myth level?

[frosty mango]

The absorb is low, you don’t drop below 60% often, when you do it may not be ideal timing, etc

[versed snow]

What roidberg said

[frosty mango]

An absorb you can control = good, a weak absorb you can’t control = functionally worthless in most scenarios

[opaque bobcat]

Yeah good point....kind of high end proc rate

[undone beacon]

Even at myth level it’s a 2mil absorb compared to a 10mil from Bombsuit or mud, you can’t control the proc, and after 20 seconds in combat it has no defensive value, after 30 it has no value whatsoever

Well until it comes back but

I digress

Just falls way short compared to the competition

[opaque bobcat]

Ya'll have any weak auras for tome? I generally don't time it to proc the shield mode and I macro'd it with avatar. I know that's not it's BEST use, just want to get a feel for how important you all find proccing only sword mode on the trinket vs. shield

[frosty mango]

That’s not only not the best use but actively gimping you

[undone beacon]

Proccing sword is like the whole reason for using the trinket, big dam

[steady mason]

I got a great one.... just a sec

[opaque bobcat]

K imma make a quick WA for it today then, been simply using it lazymode and not caring

[frosty mango]

Sword mode is parry plus huge crit and controlling the proc is why the trinket is valuable, binding it to avatar you may as well just run funhouse

[steady mason]

https://wago.io/3VXuiahTx

[opaque bobcat]

K, glad to know i've been downplaying it lol. Will fix today

[opaque bobcat]

Thanks bruv

[steady mason]

I'm pretty sure it's this one... it glows extra special when shield is active and it's off CD, goes grayscale when on CD

[undone beacon]

Yeah I use that one

Lightweight and effective

[frosty mango]

If you wanna no brain avatar bind funhouse lens from delves is a far better choice (don’t shoot me tome enjoyers)

[opaque bobcat]

I don't use the icon weak auras often, but i'll steal it and make it a bar like the rest of my UI

[undone beacon]

Mods, kill this man

[opaque bobcat]

Noted

[frosty mango]

I dunno I think lens is a better choice for a lot of players and people binding it to avatar is exactly why I say that

[opaque bobcat]

I mean, i have myth signet if i want to continue to be lazy

[undone beacon]

lol I’m just being facetious brother

[frosty mango]

Last time I said lens was goated they almost burned me at the stake

[undone beacon]

For ease of use lense is totally fine, but those people usually aren’t pushing keys

[undone beacon]

Mods, burn this man alive

[opaque bobcat]

At this rate, i could be 678 and not pushing nothing lol, the general toxicity when I don't do a pull frame by frame like the +19 they watched some streamer do earlier, I get all the opinions on how I should tank

I have absolutely zero tolerance, used to have more, I'm just tryin to be a bomb ass tank and have fun but groups ruining it lately lol

[undone beacon]

People love to shit on the tank but won’t tank themselves, such is the way of it

[steady mason]

projection is one hell of a drug

[frosty mango]

Just body pull a group then let it murder them and say “oh I thought you were tanking now”

Don’t do this. But if you did we wouldn’t be upset.

[undone beacon]

I’ll leave a key the second some bitch ass dps starts flaming me, I know it’s kinda toxic but I’m tired boss

If I fuck up I’ll say as much LOL

[opaque bobcat]

hahaha, my brother is the toxic one. I tank vicariously through him

[frosty mango]

This prot war in my 7 alt key is spamming whirlwind

[undone beacon]

HUGE

NEW TECH

[opaque bobcat]

Same. Been tanking 3s lately and the groups im getting are usually in lfg full out missing only tank

Usually said they've been waiting 15+ minutes like....daaaaamn

[frosty mango]

I’m gonna spam whirlwind my next key

Gains

[opaque bobcat]

🥹

[undone beacon]

Low keys are the fucking worst in terms of toxic people tho

When I’m gearing a new tank I delve and then jump right into 7s LMAO

[opaque bobcat]

Was when i started, seems not as much anymore. Idk, hard to generalize, just been doing it because if I was there, i'd want a hella overgeared tank to help me too lol

[opaque bobcat]

True, entirely possible lol

[frosty mango]

I’m doing 10s on my 640 fresh alts

Just send it

[opaque bobcat]

haha yeah, i carried a 623 through a 10 and it was actually fun. A true race against time

[undone beacon]

I’m not sending a 640 brew into a 10 with pugs LMAO

[frosty mango]

Why not

640, 690

Ilvl ain’t the gate

They’re either gonna use brain or not

[undone beacon]

because I already suck at brew

[frosty mango]

Like I’m reasonably sure I could carry two dps through a 10 on my war

And still time a key

[opaque bobcat]

I feel like i have no brain after being prot this long haha....I can't dps for shit. I do like 300k less than I do in arms and im equally as geared. I just suck at dps haha

Unless I'm prot....then i crush the meters like most 655 dps haha

[opaque bobcat]

probably lol. I joined a 657 aug evokers +8 the other day, just for fun, and to give him the benefit of ALL my doubt. Let's just say....no benefit was necessary, unfortunately

At the end of key they asked if i would do the 9 since we timed, I said "if you go dev" and they kicked me

[solid sun]

If you’re heroic raiding and filling the vault with myth track rewards from dungeons what ilvl are you expecting to be rn? 665?

I don’t mind doing keys with rare specs like Aug

I’m not pushing keys with them but a 9? Ez pz

[opaque bobcat]

I have ONLY done mythic+ and im 666. Since doing heroics would get you same gear, depending on rng, probably around there

[frosty mango]

667-668

[opaque bobcat]

Yeah the 8 was rough, and took a decent amount longer, I probably woudn't go past an 8 with an aug at this point haha

[frosty mango]

I don’t think you can get past 669 max right now because of crest gating as a heroic raider

[dusky canopy]

What’s an Aug?

[opaque bobcat]

Heroic leap buff is fun though

[dusky canopy]

[opaque bobcat]

Augmentation evoker

[frosty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[dusky canopy]

[opaque bobcat]

servers up les roll bb

[chrome sapphire]

uuuuh, lol

[neon elk]

Cha of lee fan sounds very interesting

[opaque bobcat]

got myth mud trinket, should i use it w/ pacemaker or tome? Pacemaker right?

[lusty grotto]

gross

why not socket instead

[opaque bobcat]

Because mud will smooth out some tougher fights

and a socket wont do shit lol

[lusty grotto]

but so will a hero mud

[next axle]

Myth Signet or Heroic House of Cards?

[lusty grotto]

so its kind of a waste of a pick

the shield wont last at all

[opaque bobcat]

Eh, more absorb. The absorb matters

6/6 myth much better than hero

[lusty grotto]

no it doesnt cause its a full absorb

it gets deleted first and foremost

after mit of course

[opaque bobcat]

Was best option for me. Anyways, use with pacemaker ya'll think?

[lusty grotto]

tome + pacemaker

next question

[steady mason]

pacemaker is one fewer button 🙂

myth signet to upgrade champ tome, or hands/wrists from hero to myth

signet has avoidance

[opaque bobcat]

nice

[undone beacon]

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/champions-gaming-gif-6011387845644197152

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[vale escarp]

after I got myth Tome + Shild, is there any reason to loot the vault as prot?

[lusty grotto]

bomb suit

thats it

[cunning oriole]

So I'm being told to set up my DPS spec so I can follow other tanks around on their routes/pulls. Which plays most like Prot: Arms or Fury?

[lusty grotto]

so technically not, since dinars

[vale escarp]

bomb suit?

[toxic gyro]

No. Go fury.

[lusty grotto]

yes, bomb suit

gally trinket

[lucid pecan]

someone help its been 3 weeks since good vault loot

[vale escarp]

im not myth raider

[lucid pecan]

I can't even use the sockets

[lusty grotto]

dinars

[vale escarp]

didnt even touch hero raid

[lusty grotto]

but hero version is fine

well then you have no reason to be prot

[toxic gyro]

Why do you want to follow other tanks?

[proven flax]

Can abilities like the big hit from bandit be crit blocked?

[lusty grotto]

with enough mastery and RNG

[long bronze]

just loot a hero bombsuit

[lusty grotto]

but really just like any other ability

[opaque tangle]

Hello! Leveling a prot warrior to help my guild with M+ runs and be a back-up tank for raids. Looking at the vault -should I take a myth track Crit Haste shield or Heroic Track Pacemaker? My shield is currently champ track Titan of Industry and my lowest trinket is Vet track bomb suit.

[long bronze]

I've not had a reason to wear mine yet

[lusty grotto]

never ask about a myth shield, you pick shield every time. Shield ilvl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ALL

pick the shield

[opaque tangle]

Ty

❤️

[proven flax]

If I wanted to check my block value reduction does the raiders tanking dummy give a good estimate? I think 53% reduction on a block seems too high

[lusty grotto]

myth shields are instapicks

[frail ibex]

No?

[vale escarp]

myth track shield

[cunning oriole]

For higher keys, wanting to optimize my pulls (packs, LOS, etc) and routing

[long bronze]

unless you have a crafted shield already then maybe not insta pick

[frail ibex]

That shield has lasted for me in 15s

mud is godly

[long bronze]

or are farming rik and that bastard refuses to drop his shield

[urban portal]

its different for different difficulties

The math is pretty strange

[lusty grotto]

yup

k values are different between targets

[proven flax]

So just use the baseline 41% in any estimations?

[lusty grotto]

dummy block isnt the same as mythic raid block

use it for what

[toxic gyro]

Optimize routes in mdt or get routes from top players. Given their routes will work for you.

[lusty grotto]

just put on the highest ilvl shield

its not a hard science

[proven flax]

Its not the ilvl of shield its im trying to show the math of how much damage my warrior vs dh would take from the buster to my RL

[lusty grotto]

you will need this season's K Values

good luck

[solid sun]

Why are you trying to show your raid leader your math work

Are they also your tutor

[digital aspen]

damn tough choice this week. Do i take myth tier gloves, pants or myth track tome of lights devotion? i have hero track of all of them currently

[lusty grotto]

seems like a really weird RL expecting math proof

[solar sandal]

hi guys, what do i take from this? sim was saying boots or this trinket but i've not seen many warriors use this viscera. thought it might be sim bait or something. currently wearing hero tome and pacemaker.

[solid sun]

You might not ever see myth track tome again. Take it

[toxic gyro]

Looks like no brainer to me what to pick.

[solar sandal]

boots sim best mostly wanted to double check the viscera. is this actually good?

[lusty grotto]

no viscera is sim bait

[small steeple]

136500 in case it was needed (didn't read any of this) or the below macro

/run local _, A = UnitArmor('player'); local r = PaperDollFrame_GetArmorReductionAgainstTarget(A) / 100; print('K ~ ', (A-r*A)/r);

[solid sun]

Imagine asking me to show math

Ain’t no way

[undone beacon]

druid vault makes me weep

socket week socket week

[solid sun]

That’s what you get for playing bear

[lusty grotto]

lol pash

[solid sun]

I’m jk

[lusty grotto]

your bear has kezan

id say he needs to at least pay for one week

[undone beacon]

true, true

[lusty grotto]

unless this is a recurring thing, and then feelsbad

[solid sun]

Does your bear have tome

[undone beacon]

I'll take this as recompense for pulling a hero Eye, it is deserved

[solid sun]

Or house of cards or pacemaker

[undone beacon]

I run Eye+Pacemaker lol

[solid sun]

Loooooool

Yeah agreed your bear is fine

[lusty grotto]

stronk bear

[undone beacon]

Well, actually normally I run Pacemaker + Turbo Drain 9000 or whatever that stupid fucking delve trinket is

Bear go grrr rawr growl

[pallid quiver]

based raid lead, we should decide literally everything via pure math. Especially if it's completely without context math that has no relation to the current discussion

[undone beacon]

And then get nerfed on reset

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats a creature of an RL for sure

not even logs?

and they have to justify their roles?

weirdge

[small steeple]

I feel like I can make a poltical joke here but I'll refrain

[lusty grotto]

guilds usually decide their rosters beforehand

[solid sun]

“I would like to play warrior”

Well if you can solve world hunger I’ll consider it

[keen leaf]

why am I simming 300k dps, that seems absurdly low.... patchwerk 1 target 5 mins

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9UEFemck4NBrFjEMBirDk9

[small steeple]

Thats fucked

[keen leaf]

Yeah but why

[undone beacon]

Probably fucked up the custom apl trying to add tome code?

Yep, looks like it

[keen leaf]

Ive used it before though, ill redo the apl

[solid sun]

Listen

We’ve been telling yall thane does less damage

You just haven’t been listening

[undone beacon]

LMAO

[keen leaf]

it's def the APL, something deleted most of it

my fault

[undone beacon]

I think its funnier to blame it on thane though

[keen leaf]

lol

[pallid quiver]

We give food to everyone, raid spot plz

[keen leaf]

people are going to freak when they see my 300k thane sim

[solid sun]

Sold! Congratulations

[lusty grotto]

not really

cause most people dont use the tome apl

wait

what is this?

Nome's APL is there by default

that isnt even the tome APL

so why would you even add that

@keen leaf ?

[keen leaf]

I dont know how it got there honestly lol

[lusty grotto]

oh

weird

[keen leaf]

once I recopied the tome apl it worked fine

[lusty grotto]

could be a raidbots thing

[chrome sapphire]

Dang, even with all that haste, it doesn't quite beat out a mythic tier piece (heroic -> mythic), which itself would be the best defensive choice anyways.

[lusty grotto]

why would you think otherwise

accessories have the lowest stat pool of all the items

no reason to pick that ring over myth set pieces

secondaries are relevant on accessories when everything else is a sidegrade, in most cases

[pallid quiver]

though that ring is pretty rare with that stat distribution

since it's mega random what you get on it

If you were raiding myth at all, it might be worth to go ahead and hold off and maybe take the ring depending on what loot you got

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter, its a ring and its not jastor

[mortal cypress]

Remember, you dont need to pick immediately....if you skip an entire week picking it just stacks, so you get 2 choices next week, then 3....and so on

[pallid quiver]

I'm mostly pointing in regard to #protection message

[wintry wagon]

If I mainly only care about mythic plus how do I tell what to take from my vault this is my first serious one on him. Myth viscera(I got champion) ,myth signet, and vers crit roulette ring.

[fringe blaze]

Running my weekly 10s and the amount of damage I'm taking on the same keys as this morning feels like it's at least x2. What am I missing?

[pallid quiver]

Myth track shield, trinkets, and wep in generally that order are first things to consider; Trinkets are of note since they're very specific what trinkets do for the individual drop. Weapons are just good stat value overall, doesn't matter which

[pallid quiver]

could be not being assisted as much by disc priests, could be playing worse. There was literally zero warrior changes, so it's either of those two

[fringe blaze]

RIGHT?!

[pallid quiver]

If you're comparing between trinkets, you can sim.

[fringe blaze]

None of this is relevant. What could it be?

[undone beacon]

taking the socketed belt it seems, hoorah

[odd forum]

whats the biggest difference between colossus and mountain thane (as prot warr), i know colossus is the way to go, but some say surviability is higher on thain?

[lusty grotto]

damage

[pallid quiver]

Damage is higher on Colo

[lusty grotto]

colossus is higher damage

[pallid quiver]

Thane is potentially tankier because it gets more rage, but Colo also runs IO so you can have extra SW uptime

[lusty grotto]

with very little to no defensiveness change

[pallid quiver]

so tankiness is very hard to actually evaluate

colo could even be tankier depending on damage profile, thane might be tankier depending on damage profile

[odd forum]

ok i see

thanks alot boys!

[undone beacon]

Feels bad taking a piece that can drop off the 2nd boss but, if I don't take it it wont drop anyways

If I take it, it'll drop

Smh

[bold crystal]

Is it worth having Heroic Titan of industry (gally Shield) over 675 crafted shield?

[lusty grotto]

no

[chrome sapphire]

What wins out between a mythic tier upgrade and Seaforium, if I have heroic House of Cards as my dps trinket already?

[lusty grotto]

pacemaker is rarer

[next apex]

Yo what’s the stats on wheel

I’m curious

[lusty grotto]

while tier is probably the biggest uppy

they posted earlier

its big haste low crit

pacemaker would be my pick

[next apex]

Mythic pacemaker is primo

I had a chance to get that on my rogue but the sim told me not to. I’m still sad about it

[lunar dirge]

Yeh ring seems tempting, but pacemaker is better pick here

[jolly bough]

When you guys run sim are you using raidbots? And do you primarlily us patchwerk, hectic add cleave or dungeun slice for your sim setting?

[ebon lark]

Kind of a random question, but how do I survive once I run out of cooldowns in m+? I try to keep shield block up as much as possible, then rotate through demo shout, last stand, and shield wall. When the packs last longer than that I start to have survivability issues.

[lusty grotto]

yes like everyone else

1 target patchwerks for the most part

hectic add cleave and dungeon slice are supported but the APl isnt optimized for it

[jolly bough]

Got it, thanks

[lusty grotto]

last stand shouldnt be in that rotation

its a bonus, but its not DR

2 walls, 1 mini wall with Avatar, Demo, and depends on the damage and if spell blockable: Spell Block

[ebon lark]

I usually use it with demo shout if things look ugly.

[dense dawn]

Morning tanks, I got this in my vault today, and im considering it. over the H house of cards.
I simed it (kinda) and House of cards was like half a percent over the fist wep. I need opinions about this from people who know this better than I.

[lusty grotto]

i use demo with avatar for bigger dps 🤷‍♂️

[ebon lark]

dps doesn't matter if i'm dead.

[lusty grotto]

accurate

that weapon isnt that big of a deal for us

any myth weapon will beat it, any max hero weapon with better stats will beat it in AOE as well

[novel laurel]

guys can i ask something regarding trinkets.

I got 3 trinkets and not srue which 2 to keep as 2 give haste and 1 is nice absorb.

Should this decission be simmed? I dont know if a SIM can give me accurate result here as i think im opting for survivability.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n4wqxuz3No9f8NHnK7zWjC

[dense dawn]

Great points. thank you 🙂

[lusty grotto]

pick bomb suit if high track

[novel laurel]

i mainly do M+ content, atm started doing some +7-8s but overall not sure which 2 since the other 2 also have haste boost?

[lusty grotto]

pick

bomb

suit

i didnt stutter

[dense dawn]

I got the bomb suit in raid last week. Its hella useful

[novel laurel]

lol

yeah but paired with which one

[lusty grotto]

oh

i see what youre asking now

i thought this was a vault question, my bad

[novel laurel]

lol np

for context though

[lusty grotto]

probably toxin

[novel laurel]

i can upgrade ofc

or toxin?

[lusty grotto]

since its higher track and more strength

[novel laurel]

lol

thought the Haste was gonna be nicer since they also got str?

[lusty grotto]

scrapfield would be the pick if it was hero, but its vet track, fuck that

nah

[novel laurel]

yeah toxin is higher as well

[lusty grotto]

just vendor vet track items

[novel laurel]

lol

[lusty grotto]

im not joking

you have champ and hero trinkets, youve no need for vet track items

bombsuit + toxin is fine

[novel laurel]

i got this one too but i guess toxin better

[novel laurel]

cool

[lusty grotto]

toxin also aligns with our cds since its 1.5 cd

you will have 2 on use trinkets though

[forest sluice]

Is that delve trinket that does holy dmg and heals you any good?

I assume no

[novel laurel]

true , id have to pick if to kill or die while trying

[lusty grotto]

the only good trinket from delves is Core Amp

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets also please take a look at this before trinket questions

[forest sluice]

It’s just an alt I’m just running my warbound funhouse lens and energy drinks

[solid sun]

Myth track tier legs for me today. That’s a dub

[forest sluice]

Pog

[lusty grotto]

funhouse is decent

[forest sluice]

I got tier legs on the hunter today

670 now

Before upgrades

Gettin yuge

[solid sun]

I’m 666 now

Maybe one day I’ll replace this champion track hat

[forest sluice]

I got lucky with a helm from vault to catalyze now I’m 3/4 myth track

Cauldron hates me

Need gloves

[dense cradle]

funhouse when you get haste

Sometimes you get crit and change tome to sword at the same time

[chrome sapphire]

Wait, what? Is this just a UI issue on my end? No additional Gilded Crests this week.

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i havent logged in yet so

i cant check

youre NA right? just making sure

[chrome sapphire]

I reloaded UI and it still shows cap from last week, so, careful anyone heading to grab gilded crests first thing this week.

Ya, NA

[lusty grotto]

well you should be since you posted vault

[pallid quiver]

If playing Colo, DPS does actually funnel into your survival, as Prot War has a solid amount of leech baseline; one of the main ways of fluffing IP as well comes from damage. At any rate, if a pull is settled, you've been in it, and you're dying, you're likely making a mistake somewhere, whether getting hit in the back, letting SB drop, not stopping casts that'll kill you (though there's not many of those on tank this season), etc

We can't really tell you specifically what without a log to actually evaluate what you're doing

[dim quartz]

!talents

!builds

[pallid quiver]

no commands

[dim quartz]

oh

[lusty grotto]

wowhead.com

[pallid quiver]

off to wowhead with you (there's also builds somewhere in faqs somewhere)

(but wowhead and iv are the most up to date and easiest to send people to)

[sharp gale]

#protection-faq

[dense cradle]

welcome to the beta test region

[lethal beacon]

Gilded crest cap this week?

[sharp gale]

try buy this to see if it's actually locked

My cap is 540 / EU, so would be 630 in NA now

[chrome sapphire]

I dont have enough runed crests to do so atm, but it doesnt have the red text

[small steeple]

I have someone else saying their cap is 630, so try relaunching

[cerulean crystal]

These worth at all or nah?

[sharp gale]

You can buy runed one if you got shitty crests too

[heady nimbus]

re that convo we were having yesterday about not being able to list m+ keys that party members have:

"i think i found the solution - there seems to be a "space" when just changing the dungeon in the Title section. Pressing ctrl + a marked it and then i could just delete the title accordingly :)"

[undone beacon]

Nah

[lusty grotto]

ill try it out, but im pretty sure it didnt work for me

ill let you know once i get on

[cerulean crystal]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[chrome sapphire]

Yup, that did it. Very strange, because all the other crests got their new weekly caps

[dense goblet]

what's all this talk of soaking/spell blocking or reflecting the rocket soaks on Mythic Mug'Zee as Prot? I got called in to tank for this boss from DPS and I cannot find anything to back it up

[small steeple]

from @shut summit spell reflect guide

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-congrats-kid-congratulations-nice-gif-11565253382391449339

[chilly brook]

unfortunately I don't have crests to upgrade it tho

[lusty grotto]

it be like that

[chilly brook]

although that can be remedied since new cap

[lusty grotto]

it be like that too

[solid sun]

Grats

[lusty grotto]

i just like posting that gif cause its funny

but gz

fr

[heady nimbus]

the control + a thing might be a clue, the space might be otherwise unable to be removed if not selected in this way.

[solid sun]

I don’t think I’m doing too bad for myself

[heady nimbus]

Not sure why that would be the case, but.

[lusty grotto]

yeah ill try it out

[heady nimbus]

wtf is that shoulder mog?

[solid sun]

It was from trader tendies

[heady nimbus]

nice

[lusty grotto]

thats a pretty based mog

nish would be proud

[solid sun]

Ty ty

[lusty grotto]

i think he would criticize the sword but the rest is very good

[solid sun]

I don’t have many great weapon options and I’ve always been a big fan of these swords from SL

[lusty grotto]

yeah i like it

[solid sun]

The squad will attempt to get to H Mug’Zee tonight and get some prog in. Any opinions on what dps our sword icons should be hitting at this point?

[lusty grotto]

no idea but wowhead posted an estimation due to balancing

2 mil at a bare min on mugzee i would say?

[solid sun]

Oh boy

[lusty grotto]

im just talking out of my ass

[fresh vault]

Hello folks, if I have to choose between Anodized bracers (https://www.wowhead.com/item=168978/anodized-deflectors?bonus=7359:6652:7579:8273:8765:8136:8138:1656:6646&class=1&ilvl=262&spec=72#comments) and bracers with crit/haste (Bis for Prot warrior).. ...do I go for the bracers with crit/haste ?

[lusty grotto]

you probably need less dps for it

[lusty grotto]

anonized are garbage

[fresh vault]

why so - can you help me understand ?

[lusty grotto]

no secondaries

[fresh vault]

its 6 secs of parry + avoidance with extra dps every 30 secs

[lusty grotto]

avoidance doesnt do a lot for tanks

[sharp gale]

Nim, if you have 16 in your hand but dealer sits on a 7, you hit or stand ?

[fresh vault]

Thank you.

[lusty grotto]

i hit

but you know ill lose

c:

yolo

[solid sun]

What are the odds you win with only a 16

[sharp gale]

I think you are more likely to lose if you stand

[lusty grotto]

id rather secure the win

[ebon lark]

I am so tired of this. I just want t push my key up and i'm outdpsing a 651 paladin as a 635 prot warrior.

[sharp gale]

Poker / black jack odds are pain to math for my brain

[solid sun]

I feel like 16 is too low. I’d probably hit unless I had 18

[sharp gale]

So if you have 18 (double 9) and dealer has a 9

Hit or stand ?

[rancid tiger]

Member dealer must stop at 17?

[solid sun]

In my head if I have 18, I can only afford to score an ace, 2, or 3, so the odds are against me hitting and not busting

But I have no idea if math supports me there or not

[sharp gale]

I think it is better to stand it that case, I checked for 16-7, 61% lose if hit, 74% lose if stand

[frosty mango]

Tome worth using in raid pure st over a pure stat proc trinket?

Like funhouse or hoc

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

house of cards, idk

but funhouse yes

sim angle for house

[frosty mango]

Played funhouse on vexie and did 2.5m

Brain free winning

[lusty grotto]

i mean play over funhouse yes

but over house, im not sure

likely since tome is stronger in raid

why wouldnt you run HoC + Tome though

what are you using on the other slot

[tropic star]

since when does blizz hate spell reflect? how can a boss ability like Thunder punch not be reflected

that the classic i can refelct that thinking

[lusty grotto]

good question

[frosty mango]

Mythic pacemaker

[lusty grotto]

oh oof

sim it honestly

[frosty mango]

But to more accurately answer your question bc I never tank raid and that’s what sim said

[lusty grotto]

i put my money on funhouse not being on the same tier as tome/hoc though

[dusky canopy]

I put my money on your mom

[lusty grotto]

ehhh yeah idk

[dusky canopy]

HAH Gottem

[lusty grotto]

hoooly

[frosty mango]

Prob not all you put on her tbh

[quick spruce]

Which talent build is best for damage in raid? Not in danger of dying I wanna ass blast some damage and get dps benched because I do more damage than them

[lusty grotto]

execute specs

[solid sun]

How dare you. Dorothy Nimtooth is a saint!

[warm plinth]

[dusky canopy]

Do trees make a sound when they fall if no one’s around to hear it?

[solid sun]

Obviously yes

[quick spruce]

So colossus raid execute build from wowhead should be good for getting the most dps?

[dusky canopy]

How do you know? Nobody’s there to confirm

[solid sun]

The Lorax speaks for the trees

[dusky canopy]

Trees have thoughts to be translated!?

[solid sun]

It’s like you know nothing about trees

Go study some of Dr. Seuss’ documentaries

[lusty grotto]

yeah on most fights except maybe thane execute on sprocket

thats a big maybe

depends how long the execute portion is tbh

[dusky canopy]

One fish two fish red fish blue fish

Sam I am

Green eggs and ham

[lusty grotto]

ham dn

[dusky canopy]

Mom’s spaghetti

[solid sun]

I think execute is the hardest part of warrior

And that might reveal my idiocy but I hate execute phase

Everything is fine and then all of a sudden I can just press this extra button that costs one billion rage and everything is wrong after that

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/triggered-shake-laugh-lol-haha-gif-17528382

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[wooden widget]

Hey which raid boss drops a shield?

[lusty grotto]

rik

and gally

[wooden widget]

Thank you

[lusty grotto]

[quick spruce]

Thanks. Just heroic raiding we are blasting. That’s why I’m not in danger of dying at all.

[solid sun]

That’s what you think

Have you ever tried making a mistake

[lusty grotto]

yeah if its heroic, your execute portion on sprocket might not make thane relevant

so might as well stick with colossus throughout

[frosty mango]

h tome + myth pace = 1.828m
h tome + h funhouse = 1.815m
myth pace + h funhouse = 1.815m

tome edges it out in st but not enough for me when I dont wanna think in heroic

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[frosty mango]

so tldr you are right and I am lazy

[wooden widget]

My guild needs me filling in for sprocket. Am I gonna be ok with a 665 shield? I don’t have an available craft

Rest of my gear is 669

[lusty grotto]

eh

myth?

or heroic

[wooden widget]

Mythic

[lusty grotto]

you might be fine

but a higher ilvl shield will certainly help

[solid sun]

Can you secure crests before raid to upgrade it

[wooden widget]

Well it’s 6/6 heroic. I just simply don’t have a myth shield

[nocturne spindle]

665 means max heroic

[lusty grotto]

you'll be fine

[solid sun]

Oh I thought you meant it was a mythic track shield

Whoopsies

[wooden widget]

Ok ty all

[lilac widget]

anyone using mr lock n stalk?

i just got one 🙂

[tropic star]

so the dinar dilemma i guess we wont ge t some

[frosty mango]

AFAIK not great for prot

[strong forum]

its alright for ST

but theres many better ones

[long bronze]

it's a pretty good arms trinket tho

[peak iron]

gotta be the shield to replace my crafted one right?

[solid sun]

We don’t turn down myth track shields

[muted basin]

Is a 678 shield over the crafted 675 really that much of a bump though? Assuming it's max crafted shield

[long bronze]

imo depends on if you're raiding mythic or not

shield, belt and helm all drop pretty early in raid

[vocal tiger]

The mog on those boots are sick though

[long bronze]

we're basically #1 prio on shields in raid so if Rik drops shield you should probably get it

[vestal moat]

What about if I have a mythic one versus heroic tome or any other heroic alternative

[long bronze]

helm is only first boss, but any plate class could need it, and the next myth helm is off mug'zee w/ token

if I didn't have a myth helm and had Rik on farm and had crafted a shield I'd take the helm, same with belt

[strong forum]

heroic tome is better for ST than any other in the game

[peak iron]

i raid mythic but as fury not prot since my guild didnt need tanks, i only tank for keys which i prefer over raid

in theory there would be one tank ahead of me in shield prio as our current tanks are pwar and vdh

i do have a 675 shield currently

also my raid team is not that serious and may or may not get mythic reverb down

[long bronze]

myth helm and belt work for both fury and prot

[solemn depot]

hi
why does #protection-faq message link to https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/the-war-within-pre-patch ? shouldn't it be https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/overview-pve-tank ?

[long bronze]

shield is nice, but 3 ilvl on shield is not going to prevent you from doing the highest difficulty content

like I'd happily take a myth shield, but I don't know if I'd take it over a hero->myth helm upgrade, espeically if I was playing dps too

[strong forum]

outdated @ionic fern

[peak iron]

yeah that makes sense, i guess ill run some sims to get more info before picking

[solemn depot]

ta
also a question for colossus: do you send demolish when demo shout/avatar are going to be on cooldown? obviously not if they're off cd in 5 secs, but what about 20?

[lusty grotto]

i wait for demo

[peak iron]

can we get myth track shield with dinars or will that only be like trinkets and shit?

[lusty grotto]

since avatar is reset with AM so it'll be up as well

[solemn depot]

we don't know if we get dinars

[lusty grotto]

so ideally yes right after demo + avatar

[solemn depot]

they are supposed to be coming in 11.1.5 but they didn't mention it

[surreal ember]

Blessed raid trinket vault

wish tome 😦

[solemn depot]

blessed vault, period

rescue keg is the haste one no?

[surreal ember]

high haste, and mast

[solemn depot]

yeah but not haste/crit

[surreal ember]

ya, crafted instead

[solid sun]

Ummm can any WA magician give me a hand with something

[frosty mango]

Dunno feel like keg has so much haste it’s worth over crafted

Rik also drops huge haste neck

[solid sun]

I’d like a sound effect that lets me know sudden death proc’d

[frosty mango]

You can use one of the premade auras in wa and then go to triggers and add a sound to it

If you’re not generally familiar with wa that’s probably harder than I make it sound and thus not helpful

[solid sun]

I’ll give it a whirl

[rigid yew]

What weapon enchants do you all use?

[lusty grotto]

wahtever sims highest

im using crit right now

[long bronze]

depths is probably your best for raid but it's dog ass for m+

one of the stat enchants is a happy medium

[sullen inlet]

how impactful is night elf for prot this season over dwarf or similar (ZTroll rn bc it sims highest for fury raid lol)

[lusty grotto]

good for skips

probably better than dwarf this season

but both are good picks

[sullen inlet]

ight

[cerulean crystal]

Transmog > Skips

[sullen inlet]

I use the gleeful thingy to be a mechagnome for 50% of the gameplay anyways

so doesn't matter too much but normally ye

[lusty grotto]

based

gnomies and mechagnomies ftw

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-eww-yuck-nasty-nastiness-gif-15380571

[ionic fern]

Hello,
Replaced.

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/gnomed-gnome-gnome-bait-woo-im-a-gnome-gif-22831060

ok im logging on

time to open the shittiest vault ever seen

well actually let me test what Job The Revelator suggested

oh

interesting

[pallid quiver]

If you don't get a tome, I'm ruoting and burning down the entire hemisphere where blizz lives

[lusty grotto]

so elvui threw an error on it

[cedar dew]

can i actually switch lootspec in HC and not miss out on any crazy tank trinket? toal newbie with warri

[lusty grotto]

just be tank spec

house and eye both drop for us

but you do need prot loot spec for bomb suit

[pallid quiver]

For raid, you can freely swap between bosses if you're pugging and all

[lusty grotto]

LMAO

[pallid quiver]

Same with non-M+ content

[lusty grotto]

BEHOLD

the shittiest vault ever, just like i said

[pallid quiver]

Canada, Mexico, Brazil, and so-on have had it too good

The fires shall burn

[lusty grotto]

i do need myth gloves, but i have no cata charges since im gonna use on myth legs i got last week

so....

its either cloak or neck for me i guess

[cedar dew]

ahh, so i´m switching to fury, since i need a 2H weapon to dps and change to prot for gallywix. Cheer sguys!

[lusty grotto]

good plan

[pallid quiver]

Just look at every boss' loot table before pull and swap to whatever gives you the most drops/what you want

It takes most pugs seventeen years to prep for bosses, anyway

[lusty grotto]

what a great vault day

im just

livid

[cedar dew]

true tho

[undone beacon]

If only you had a bear and then the bear could get the good vault loot nim smh

[lusty grotto]

true and real

cloak i can get from raid

neck would be an upgrade to crafted

gloves is an uppy from champ track but no cata charges

shoulders is an uppy from hero track

fuck my life

kinda thinking gloves and cata them and just keeps legs bagged for 2 weeks but then again i can get gloves from cauldron

decisions decisions

[sharp gale]

At least you’re not tomeless anymore right ?

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/ponke-ponkesol-solana-monke-monkey-gif-9277508150881632018

[lusty grotto]

y u do dis

[round cliff]

is stein bait

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt pick it

[vestal ruin]

guys, i want to start playing prot warrior, read the guide but still got a couple of questions, one is i wonder why isnt avatar macroed with one of the 1.5min dmg cds? as it also has taht cd and is out of gcd?

[round cliff]

i already have a 6/6h trashmasters so picking it feels kinda bad but

myth track is myth track

w/e

[lusty grotto]

read Anger Management

but you can

its totally fine to do

[round cliff]

even if its ur only myth trinket?

[chilly brook]

Should have gotten a cata today

[round cliff]

is this a sim angle

[lusty grotto]

hmmm... i guess you could get it for free uppies

[lusty grotto]

i have myth legs bagged

since last week

[round cliff]

does 1 trinket make both ur trinkets free

[lusty grotto]

no

[round cliff]

kiiiiinda dont care ig i already have 6/6h bis

ill have crests to upgrade by the time i get anything else

[chilly brook]

I’m overloaded on trinkets on my warrior

[round cliff]

trashmasters it is

[chilly brook]

Got everything except for defensive options lmao

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-poor-beggar-alms-cup-gif-25773247

[vestal ruin]

where? i did read rage management on wowhead but it did not mention avatar

[elfin ginkgo]

What talent should i drop for AoE Interrupt shout>?

[chilly brook]

Because avatar on AM is prot only

[lusty grotto]

you didnt read the prot version of it

[lusty grotto]

SoF

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-hood-crumb-dick-gif-24647164

[lusty grotto]

hooooly

that me

[round cliff]

was gonna say maybe socket angle but thats stupid

trashmasters it is

[jagged gust]

Average vulpera enjoyer

Trash masters is goated, insane Vera and the best cloak mog in game

Be proud fruiter

[chilly brook]

Man night elf so goated

[vestal ruin]

i am under how to manage rage on rotation of prot warrior, what am i missing? 😮

[lusty grotto]

i think im just gonna sit on this vault until raid

[round cliff]

i already HAVE it

in h track

[jagged gust]

Heroic tho, which is icky

+13 ilvls? Fuck yeah

[round cliff]

when u swap the trash

[lusty grotto]

based

[chilly brook]

There’s not much to miss? You press revenge on free globals and IP when you would need to spend rage so you don’t overcap rage when you can’t spend a global on it revenge

[lusty grotto]

alright i guess im talking to panda lady to get my key

[chilly brook]

Man getting into 15s is absolutely insane if you’re not DH 😦

[vestal ruin]

yeah but i was asking bout macroing avatar to ravager or champions spear

[chilly brook]

Yeah don’t do that

[vestal ruin]

that part i did read

[lusty grotto]

i mean he can

[vestal ruin]

why?, if u dont mind me asking

[jagged gust]

Playing the decline simulator above 13s isn't fun, but at least we're still snap picked for weekly vault runs

[lusty grotto]

its just not good for higher keys

[cerulean crystal]

You don't do that because you want to have a seperate macro for those with target cursor

So you can just whip it out

[lusty grotto]

you can do both on the same macro

avatar is off gcd

[sullen inlet]

whip it out on me please

[lusty grotto]

its just not good when you actually need the mini wall

[chilly brook]

Couple of reasons but can just be summarized as there are times when you’d want to press each separately

[lusty grotto]

if hes not pushing high on keys, it can be fine

[round cliff]

last time i talked about not macroing avatar to things i think nimchip called me slurs

:(

[chilly brook]

For example beginning of motherlode, best to get Avatar rolling while gathering (plus it gives you a shield wall at the start to smooth the damage intake) but if you press the macro you just sent something like spear that’s best used when the pack has been completely grouped

[solemn depot]

sure, but that's why you also have it bound as just avatar
I have it on demo shout, and if demo shout is on CD (for a while) and avatar just came up and i want/need it, i just press demo shout anyways

[lusty grotto]

griff isn't wrong

[chilly brook]

Or like first boss of Floodgate, the buster kinda fucks and you want to cover it with something every time so if avatar is just coming up might be worth to delay avatar

[vestal ruin]

ah i see what u meant with anger management, the talent, yeah desynced cds, thats a very good reason

[chilly brook]

But send ravager

[lusty grotto]

with proper rage management avatar is around 45s

so

i still syncs with 1.5min cds

[vestal ruin]

welp but if i faile, which i will cuz im starting with prot warrior, it will desync and be wasted

[lusty grotto]

its just not a thing you should do if you want to master the class, if you dont care then its fine

[chilly brook]

It’s content dependent of course

If you’re a delve Andy you’re never going to notice

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

Or a weekly 10er even

[lusty grotto]

[solemn depot]

tbh i want to do it because there are SO many fucking buttons to press

[vestal ruin]

im a delve andy with it atm but id love to learn to play it well enough to 12s may be 😄

[vestal ruin]

yeah thats why i was wondering if it is possible haha

[chilly brook]

If you have it already bound your bind is clearly already a comfortable enough bind to hit doesn’t make sense to create more binds for when two abilities are up at the same time

[solemn depot]

i have q, e, r, t, y, h, j, z, x, c, v, 1-5 mapped

[lusty grotto]

make more binds

use modifiers

shift, alt, ctrl

[solemn depot]

and ctrl+1, ctrl+2, f2-f4

[lusty grotto]

use `

[chilly brook]

Get an mmo mouse 🙂

[lusty grotto]

i dont use F keys

[solemn depot]

i literally can't do that any more
getting old
if i have something i need to use frequently on ctrl+2 or something my hand starts feeling tired after 30 mins of that

[solemn depot]

sounds like they're free and should be bound to something then 😉
f2 is autopot macro with last stand, f3 is chromebustible for me

[lusty grotto]

im old as fuck

so idk about that, but everyone has their things

[chilly brook]

Anything new is going to feel fatiguing

[vestal ruin]

i have a 12 buttons panel mouse, so i have enough buttons just wondering i could go with less keybinds

[lusty grotto]

no

[solemn depot]

i'm also playing on a (17") laptop

[lusty grotto]

fuck F keys

im fine with my setup

[solemn depot]

so they keboard size might be part of the reason

[chilly brook]

If you keep using it though you get used to it

[lusty grotto]

q e r f c x z `, 1-5, shift and ctrl mods

is more than enough really

[vestal ruin]

another question, u always TC into avatar to reset the cd right?

[lusty grotto]

huh

are you playing thane?

[vestal ruin]

yes

[solemn depot]

useless for me, sadly
so i have to compress when i can
demo shout and avatar works, and on the rare occassions where i just want avatar (like clap > avatar > clap next clump of mobs) i can just send that separately

[lusty grotto]

you clear your TB stacks before avatar

then you avatar then you TB again

TCing before it doesnt matter

TB does

[vestal ruin]

ah k, thankss

[solemn depot]

agreed
but thunderclap > avatar > TB is useful for grabbing initial aoe aggro

[lusty grotto]

TB = thunder blast, not thunderclap

[hollow hill]

If I don't have another crafted piece and I'm crafting a weapon, is it worth putting on an embellishment or should I just save the embellishment for a duskthread lining on another piece later?

[lofty warren]

Disc f tier now?

[lusty grotto]

up to you, wont make much of a difference

[solemn depot]

if you can afford to recraft it, do one of the embellishments (vers, secondary stats, ascension) and later remove it via recraft when you craft an armor piece

[lusty grotto]

you will have to recraft it off anyway if you dont get a myth weapon

[solemn depot]

but all the embels are like a tiny % increase and not the reason you will succeed/fail

[hollow hill]

Yea, that makes sense. No luck with myth track weapons yet so figured I would craft one this week. I'll probably hold off on the embellishment

[solemn depot]

the recraft is much cheaper than crafting, like 2-3k gold for most, so i just did it for that immediate (if tiny) power boost

[hollow hill]

Yea guess every tiny bit helps in some way lol

[lusty grotto]

should be fine

you want the weapon ilvl, the added embelishment is just about nothing

and ascension does jack shit without writhing bands anyway

[solemn depot]

in my sims it did literally 0.1% more WITH banding
and vers/take nature damage and the one that procs secondary stats and avoid/speed were within 0.1% of ascension with writhing

[lusty grotto]

🤷

[elfin ginkgo]

can some1 tell me what SoF stands for

[lusty grotto]

show of force

[elfin ginkgo]

okay i asked earlier what to untalent for disrupting sout, but i also dont have sof talented

so should i untalent thunderlord? 😄

[lusty grotto]

sure

im basing off the recommended specs

and colossus

[frosty mango]

You can also remove indomitable

[lusty grotto]

if youre not talented into those, let me know before

since i cant read minds sadly

[lusty grotto]

oh youre thane

dont talent off TL

indom is probably the best, like Roidberg said

keep TL

[steady mason]

this is how I play MT at 12-14, but thinking about finally making the swap to colossus...

[strong forum]

id switch instigate to ravager

[solid sun]

Why only one shield charge sub node for thane

Because they need tl?

[strong forum]

cuz he moved the point to disrupting

instead of instigate

[steady mason]

I took risrupting over ravager and instigate over battering ram

[frosty mango]

Thane I can see without ravager but it hurts me as colossus late game in gather

Dps just wanna zug

[steady mason]

ill move the DR point to BR on non caster heavy dungeons

I dont like the feel of ravager.... its my only 1.5m CD and I find the added utility of DS worth losing the ability that doesnt feel fun

[lusty grotto]

yeah but as thane, gathering isnt that hard

[solid sun]

All the rage ravager provides certainly feels fun to me

But maybe as thane you already have plenty

[lusty grotto]

of course

[strong forum]

ravager is infintely more damage than instigate?

why not just swap that

[lusty grotto]

well the rage is considerable

[strong forum]

especially aoe

which thane sucks at

[lusty grotto]

yeah swap instigate instead, like Nome is mentioning (indom might actually have a little more value as thane due to rage, even though its still eh)

[steady mason]

ill give it a try tonight! honestly I havent thought critically about that node in awhile

[strong forum]

ravager is like 5% damage

[steady mason]

its on my bars!

[chilly brook]

Thane felt pretty good in a 15 ML but how much of that was me just being better about pressing CDs and or healer diff I have no idea

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strong forum]

healer diff for sure

ML does very little to tank

[chilly brook]

Specifically 3rd boss

The only thing in that dungeon that actually scares me

[strong forum]

ye on bosses thane is better