protection

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[dusky canopy]

Tried to do the 15 mech it turned into and ended up back to back bricking it down to a 13 because my groups couldn’t do the full first room without detonating

[lusty grotto]

youre aware of mass rez right?

[unborn island]

I was meaning more if they can get to a safe space without aggroing the further mobs

[lusty grotto]

with soothe probably

[unborn island]

And in a spot which won't aggro the reset bubbles

Shall try it

[lusty grotto]

it depends on how close g49 is

i havent actually tried it, but i dont see any other way around it

[solid sun]

Do you have to do the entire first room in workshop

[lusty grotto]

no

you can do it in 2 pulls

depending on your comp

[solid sun]

I normally do it in two pulls because pulling the whole thing is so risky

[lusty grotto]

you dont have to pull the entire thing, its a time save for sure

[round pendant]

you can double pull and still clear it in <2mins

which is all that matters imo

I also gave up on single pulling it

[toxic gyro]

Death skipping hopgoblins doesn’t sound efficient. It’s like -30sec off the timer to do it.

[unborn island]

Yeah, they're just such a pain in the ass with their enormous health pools though

[round pendant]

blizz needs to dial back some of the giga hp mobs imo

they're never fun

[lusty grotto]

i agree with the hobgoblins

wait

[toxic gyro]

Back to back charges is what sucks the most about them, when you combine it with debuffs from pyro mobs it gets deadly if one of them doesn’t die fast.

[lusty grotto]

which ones are the hobgoblins?

[toxic gyro]

Charging ones

[unborn island]

The charging ones who drop droplets

[lusty grotto]

oh

cinderbrew

[round pendant]

I hate those fuckers

[lusty grotto]

i was hard stuck on flood/workshop

[toxic gyro]

Workshop is one of the easiest key this season.

[solid sun]

I also thought we were talking about floodgate

[lusty grotto]

i meant on the discussion

[solid sun]

Because of the two hobgoblins right before the last boss

[toxic gyro]

Ohhh

[round pendant]

yeah I thought we were talking about floodgate too

[lusty grotto]

biggest timesave in cinderbrew

[unborn island]

Also very fair, that pack would be a nice skip, but think it's also a death skip/nelf only deal

[lusty grotto]

is doing the taunt tech on the yes men

by far

or LoS tech

[unborn island]

Does the taunt tech still work?

Saw someone use an MC tech which looked cool

[solid sun]

Idk what that is. Last night we killed one when it was like on the other side of the room and everyone of the other ones healed

[toxic gyro]

There’s a tech with sooth + sleepwalk as well.

[lusty grotto]

might have not been far enough

[solid sun]

So idk if they fixed it or we just don’t know what to do

[lusty grotto]

they could have

Blizzard is moving fast

[unborn island]

I do seem to think they changed the range to >100 yards or something

[lusty grotto]

in that case then MC might still work

what about LoSing, though thats trickier tbh

[unborn island]

I was annoyed when they changed the baiting of the circles in Rookery, it was even more free when I could just make all the arcing voids go on me so nobody took any dmg

[unborn island]

You can LOS the heal?

I didn't even know that was a thing

[lusty grotto]

i think so but again its a lot trickier

idk who i heard speaking of it

probably tettlers or something

tettles, i mean

[round pendant]

MC strat is the best ig

[lusty grotto]

yeah probably

[round pendant]

gotta tell my priest friend about it

[solid sun]

If only my group had a priest

Why all my friends gotta grief me every season

[round pendant]

well mine is griefing too

he's Holy

[solid sun]

At least you still get mc and mind soothe and fort

And when my healer wants to play shaman she said I have to play bear because I’m the only Druid that we have that uses innervate

So I don’t even get to use prot war when we finally get a shaman!

[lusty grotto]

but my windfury

[toxic gyro]

At least you won’t have to bring charity lust dps. Majority of mages, shamans, and evokes sucks.

[solid sun]

That’s what I’m saying

[lusty grotto]

[solid sun]

My normal group is me on pwar, then we have a person playing MW for the first time, and our dps is an evoker who specializes in hovering into unwanted packs, a good beastmaster, and a ret paladin who does middling damage at best

And absolutely does not use freedom tech or other stuff

[lusty grotto]

middling damage as a ret paladin?

[solid sun]

:)

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/im-not-even-mad-thats-amazing-gif-11382871

[solid sun]

Our BM/Marks Hunter is always tops

No matter what

Evoker and Paladin bring the jokes in discy

[lusty grotto]

well its always good to have good vibes

probably better than dps in any way

but ret paladin is so easy, im surprised he does middling damage

[round pendant]

lmao this sounds like every semi-casual premade

[lusty grotto]

the only ret paladins that do middling damage are the ones that are roleplaying ranged dps

[solid sun]

Until the group we’re fighting lives just a little too long and the healer runs out of gas and gets livid and then the vibes are off and we gotta hearth out

[lusty grotto]

and/or unload on the first pack pulled

[round pendant]

for us it's me as pwar, one as udk who does mid damage and refuses to use AMZ, one as monk who rolls into fire, one as holy priest who refuses to go disc

then pugger fills for lust

[lusty grotto]

all monks roll into fire and frontals

its just a monk thing

my lil bro does it

then blames the tank

c:

[round pendant]

yeah classic

tho he's gone mm hunter recently

but does less dam

[solid sun]

Sometimes I’ll ask if they wanna try some skips because like bubbles eventually will just live so long people die or it will take us an hour to kill him

And I’m always told I try way too hard and skips are unnecessary and then the thing lives too long and we die and now I drink Twisted Teas a lot more and everyone is just so happy

[idle copper]

Presumably he could be done with the next pack? Or too chaotic?

[lusty grotto]

oh hell no

do you want to destroy a key

[chilly brook]

no

lmao even

kinda sadge man, almost 2 chested my 15 DFC last night

Phys cleave comp goes hard, me (prot warrior), outlul rogue, WW monk, ele sham, resto druid

[neon elk]

Do play any packs into first boss and use cart ?

Or is that more a dh thing cuz of sigil

[solid sun]

I think they fixed the cart killing mobs

Dorki said on their podcast that they discovered the cart wasn’t killing the mobs anymore, but idk if he meant the little dudes with the boss or if he meant mobs that aren’t apart of the boss fight

[pallid quiver]

Warcraft logs are back up, so I can comment. No, you're not hitting SS on CD. You've only got like 11.9 CPM on the boss fight alone. This likely means you're missing resets, and there definitely shouldn't be gaps even with ITF if you have almost 25k Haste and 4P, which activated 3 times during the fight for you. Sense had a similar fight, same amount of tier set activations, that was only about 5 seconds longer than it took for you to die, so you should have had equal CPM if playing well. He had 2 more whole shield charges from the extra SS most likely, leading him, with about 8k less haste, to have more SB uptime and blocked hits that you. He actually only took 2 unblocked hits, and 1 of those was from getting hit in the back.

At a quick glance, it also looked like you didn't mitigate the Divine Judgment that came before you died with anything, no Demo was up on them, it looks like SR was up and could have been used. It would have actually saved your life to do so, as well, since you were only overkilled by 330k, and the divine judgment hit you for 6m.

[chilly brook]

pretty sure they fixed it

I tried it on my DH and they did not get clapped by the cart

[neon elk]

Well shame, but at least its less stresing on my pugs

[pallid quiver]

Also, for the delayed advice, you're getting less IP out as a result of oversending on IP, it looks like, so you're taking more damage overtime. There isn't any real need to build up IP for a single strong hit on 1st boss of Priory, as the large majority of the upfront can be assisted with starting your defensive CDs there, so the rest of it is sustained high damage throughout the encounter, so you need to maximize IP use over time instead of for a single moment

[jade tartan]

Thank you a lot about the feedback. Do you think if I just played it out. I’d have been fine. I was kinda busy baby raging at no lust. ITF was only 4 stack since mage/boomkin/priest. but that’s minor tho.

Thanks anyway for the great input

[solid sun]

I’ve been seeing the advice a lot about oversending IP

And I’ve been trying to make sure I try to build IP through damage dealt instead of trying to press IP more and I’ve noticed sometimes my IP just gets eviscerated

Esp on first boss priory

[wheat oracle]

returning player, so I haven't done any of the current dungeons or raid. I am leveling a prot warrior. My main concern is khow would you go about learning the raids/M+ dungeons or any advice on getting over the first time tanking hurdles. I know the community can be toxic to new tanks, I know its unavoidable but I would like to at least do my part to avoid much of it.

[pallid quiver]

This is the part that scares you into oversending; IP's main use, and why it being a partial absorb is strong as well, is that it stopgaps your bleeding. Basically, it just takes small nicks here and there off you when possible. Sometimes you can build up a big IP for a large hit, but those sorts of scenarios feel common, but actually are not. A lot of those situations where that's the case, there's low damage outside of the single big hit, so you have time to top off an IP by playing normally. Most tank murder times that people notice in terms of high damage are usually sustained damage over time, which is why IP is strong and you want to maximize its overall effectiveness, rather than scrambling to always have it up

It may feel better to have (numbers smaller to help show point) a 200 absorb shield over a 100, but if you didn't focus so hard on making sure you had the 200 shield one time, you could absorb 100 damage three times

[chilly brook]

That's fine tbh

it did its job

[pallid quiver]

It doesn't necessarily build off of damage; it gets fluffed off damage, meaning you shave off a few extra hundred thousand damage here and there

[pallid quiver]

I only really saw random bits and pieces, so I'm not sure what you mean by played it out. It looks like the fight was definitely salvageable, but things like dispell not being fast enough and what-not made it a little awkward at times

[idle copper]

Tbh I've not done it , just seems as if people could stack for the bubbles it'd be fine

[chilly brook]

no

bubbles does insane aoe unavoidable damage

[lusty grotto]

the bubbles arent the problem at all, is what griff means

higher key = bubbles becomes more dangerous than worth due to its aoe

scaling etc

[vestal moat]

does bubbles skip work with night elf meld? like we drag him left, party goes, we heroic leap to bridge past where he spawns then meld. i just went night elf and want to try

[lusty grotto]

yea

you have to be ridiculously fast though

but maybe @chilly brook can chime in

should be similar to how VDHs do it

if not exactly the same

[vestal moat]

just wondering how far we have to leap and if it's not far enough can we meld and just book it without reaggroing while he is running back to spawn spot

[chilly brook]

yea

it works

shouldn't need to worry about it too much

you pull him left, wait for his frontal leap and meld

[vestal moat]

nice

[lusty grotto]

ah right the frontal

[vestal moat]

any tech for last two packs of workshop meld?

im happy skipping just the second to last pack

[chilly brook]

the party shouldn't move until frontal happens anyways

[lusty grotto]

see the megasett video i posted earlier

[small steeple]

don't you have to do it before he casts the dot because it goes on all players, regardless of combat?

[lusty grotto]

#protection message here you go, she covers the last skip as well

[chilly brook]

you can just pull it to the corner, send aoe interrupt and then leap and meld before the aoe happens

[chilly brook]

dot doesn't happen until after the frontal

[buoyant sparrow]

I wanted to thank all of you. With all of your help and guidance I was able to achieve 1800 io score for the first time. So: Thank you!

[lusty grotto]

[tidal nimbus]

So i remember asking earlier and someone said to sim st for everything, so m+ and raid
for trinkets would i aslo sim pure st

[lusty grotto]

for the most part, ST sims will yield enough information

[nocturne spindle]

anything thats give stats will be pretty much a similar increase

effects where it hits one target with an effect will sim worse in multi target/M+ overalls

[lusty grotto]

there are some 5t sims you can do for only keys/AOE, but, those are more specialized

[sharp gale]

3k gang

[tidal nimbus]

Ah ok ok

[nocturne spindle]

👍

[lusty grotto]

highly depends on the trinkets

eye of kezan requires a 5+ min sim

shouldnt be simmed as AOE

so there's nuance

[tidal nimbus]

Yeye and for M+ isn't EoC only good depending on dungeon and tank

[lusty grotto]

uhh

depending on dungeon period

why would it depend on the tank

[nocturne spindle]

gotta use turnip tech

ez clap

i assume he means chain pulling tank not like

tank class

[lusty grotto]

but we're in the protection channel

[nocturne spindle]

look man i just call it like i see it

[chilly brook]

truuuuuuu

[nocturne spindle]

it doesnt have to make sense

[chilly brook]

you are the tank

[lusty grotto]

maybe hes confused lol

[chilly brook]

pull like a madman

I'm being told Aug is B-tier in M+

🤔

[tidal nimbus]

Cause sometimes you get the ones that never take a break and chainpull very badly (As in they wait for everything to be at 5% or so before pullign more

[chilly brook]

yeah but you are the tank

[lusty grotto]

we're in protection

[chilly brook]

[tidal nimbus]

I'm a fucking idiot

[lusty grotto]

check your channels

LOL

[nocturne spindle]

it did get another 8% buff so

[lusty grotto]

i knew it

[nocturne spindle]

maybe aug isnt trash anymore

how far behind was it again?

[tidal nimbus]

But yea ignore me everyone

[chilly brook]

idk

[tidal nimbus]

had a long day Xd

[chilly brook]

but I'm gonna fuck around with aug in keys before resest on my evoker lol

[neon elk]

Log into keys as devo, and during ready check swap into aug , ezpz confusuon of highest order

[small steeple]

I want what that guys smoking

And I don't even smoke

[chilly brook]

I mean

I actually wouldn't be surprised if it was B-tier

[small steeple]

I would. A 3% st buff... way to small to break it out of dead tier

[vagrant badger]

hey guys, new war and tank player here. I'm having issues when organizing pulls, for example the first pull in Floodgate or the first pull in priory, where you have like 4 packs that you group into a single pull. I'm getting slapped really hard even with shield block and shield wall up. Any tips?

[lusty grotto]

dont let them hit you in the back

troar, clap with crackling

and never let anything hit you in your butt

you cant butt block

nor parry, nor dodge

[vagrant badger]

any clip showing how to group this packs?

I'm trying to not getting hit in the back, but it might still be happening

[lusty grotto]

there's no single way to do it

just always be facing mobs

even sharpshooters

[vagrant badger]

if you sidestep away from the mobs to get to the next pack, does it count as back hitting?

[lusty grotto]

no

strafing and backpedalling are acceptable

but if its too much to the side it might

a log might help a lot

if you have one

[vagrant badger]

let me check, I might have one

[neon elk]

U can eventualy turn your back to them , like in priory, pull first pack on stairs , charge into it tclap and SS pop SB , strife a bit , slow from TC alows you to outrun them, if they cant reach you u can turn run towards next pack , charge next pack tc ss refresh sb, leap even further, taun/throw pull mid pack and miniboss , pull into corner facing everything cuz shooters , do your normal stuff and pray your dps will stack

[lusty grotto]

not to sharpshooters you cant

but sure that goes without saying that if the mob cant melee you because its out of melee range, you dont need to worry about turning your back to them

[pallid quiver]

It should also be noted that the start of packs is always the hardest, scariest, and most damaging parts of pulls for tanks, as well, since your passive defensives likely haven't gotten rolling yet

[vagrant badger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YRMTtNDkZv9wad4V?fight=2&type=summary&pull=1

[lusty grotto]

these arent back hits

you need to keep shield block up

[vagrant badger]

ok

[lusty grotto]

that number of 56%

[mighty valley]

yeah i'm looking at the timeline of this pack and you don't press shield block until almost 30 seconds into the pull

[lusty grotto]

needs to be as close to 100% as possible

[vagrant badger]

🫡

[lusty grotto]

95% at a bare minimum

[vagrant badger]

gonna work on that

[vagrant badger]

probably panicked

[small steeple]

oh nim beat me

[mighty valley]

on the pull, charge + avatar is enough rage to get sb up and allows you to hold shield charge til it'll hit more mobs

[vagrant badger]

yeah, I usually open with shield charge + clap

then while I'm moving between the packs I also use wall

[mighty valley]

this is a pretty weird damage breakdown for thane, revenge does very little damage for you, it should be rock bottom of your priority list

[lusty grotto]

oh

good catch

TB should be #1 as thane

if you want to revenge, just play Colossus

[vagrant badger]

notted

[vagrant badger]

ok

thanks for the feedback, gonna work on that

[lusty grotto]

id say focus on SB uptime first and foremost

its prot warrior's bread and butter

after you get it down you can optimize for other things

[frosty mango]

Also very conducive to your damage output

Since you’ll spend far less time dead

[vagrant badger]

makes sense😂

[frosty mango]

If you have a decent computer you can use a weakaura that plays a sound when shield block is down to train yourself to keep it up

It gets old quickly depending on how annoying you make the sound

But it will work

[vagrant badger]

yeah, I'll change my aura to do that

[frosty mango]

Make sure you change it to only check while you’re in combat too or you’ll be insane after your first top

Not that I’d know

Or anything

[limpid orbit]

does shield or wep influence shield slam damage

[mighty valley]

it's just attack power like anything else

so weapon and stats

[waxen cradle]

@lusty grotto On a slightly unrelated note, hey Nim are the days of Notrinketchip finally over ?

[mighty valley]

block value doesn't affect it any more

[small steeple]

No, he has gone so long without it he became a demon of regret and anguish

[waxen cradle]

[lusty grotto]

no

ill probably do a few today but we will see

[waxen cradle]

[fair linden]

Anyone know if demoralizing shout reduces things like the bleed dmg on the first boss of Priory if you press it before the boss casts

[urban portal]

It should

[willow edge]

Should yeah

[neon elk]

Iirc it should reduce it even after he applied it right ?

[lusty grotto]

yes its dynamic

[round pendant]

does it reduce the damage of 2nd DFC boss's big aoe?

[heady nimbus]

It does look like they are going to include current important buffs, not just cooldowns, to the new UI update. To what extent it will be functional, obviously remains to be seen. But possiblity exists for the shield block functionality I was talking about.

[solid sun]

Huh

[reef junco]

Fellow bulwarks I love prot and a fellow of mine has levelled a V,DH and he complains about their lack of tankiness and self heal in comparison to prot. Why are vengeance so popular particularly in higher keys what do they bring other than the obvious mobility?

[solid sun]

Tryna get rid of your sick WA suite?

[frosty mango]

Any demon hunter who thinks warriors have the self heal advantage is clearly not playing correctly

[solid sun]

VDH is often described as being tanky enough that you have to want to die in order to actually die. They have quite good self healing as well, so it sounds like this fellow of yours is misplaying.

[frosty mango]

Dhs are tanky when played correctly, offer a ton of utility in the form of sigils, and reasonable damage output

[solid sun]

VDH also brings the magic debuff and a lot of classes do magic damage

Fire mage and balance Druid and Unholy DK all benefit from VDH’s magic debuff

[peak iron]

cant even imagine how badly you'd have to misplay VDH to feel like your self healing is insufficient relative to pwar, that spec gets self healing just by breathing

[lusty grotto]

should have full functionality to track its duration

[frosty mango]

Jumps into pack with no cds, dies, “why does vdh suck?”

[peak iron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif

[lusty grotto]

the VDH thing feels like hes not managing Frailty, but honestly that's a question for The Fel Hammer

[solid sun]

While VDH is quite good, it’s very common to see VDH die unexpectedly because it’s a fotm pick and a lot of people who don’t know how to play it jump in and go splat

[lusty grotto]

any tank played incorrectly feels like shit

[reef junco]

Yeah I think it's this. The assumption it's as tanky as prot with blood DK heals

I think that was his expectation

[frosty mango]

His expectation isn’t really wrong

If he plays it right

lol

[solid sun]

I’m not sure VDH mitigates damage upfront as much as prot warrior does

But it does mitigate damage for sure

[lusty grotto]

not as well no

but that doesn't mean their upfront mit doesnt exist

[solid sun]

I can’t tell you if they self heal as much as bdk does, either, but they do self heal a lot

[lusty grotto]

no they are happy middle ground

between the two, really

[solid sun]

I think if your friend is serious about playing VDH, they would benefit a lot more from comparing themselves to other VDH’s as opposed to Pwars and BDK’s

[lusty grotto]

i think he should go to Fel Hammer and ask whats hes doing wrong

so yeah kind of what Rhino is saying

this aint a question for Skyhold

[reef junco]

Hes played warrior and priest his entire wow experience, but yes I will point him to their discord instead of complaining to me 🤣

[heady nimbus]

Do you know more about this? Will I be able to control which specific buffs/cooldowns are being tracked?

[reef junco]

Cheers guys

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/ui/cooldown-manager-setup

[heady nimbus]

Wish we could heart react.

I guess I'll have to wait and see but even in that article, it isn't clear how/if you can restrict which cooldowns/buffs are specifically being tracked vs others. Sort of looks like all or nothing.

[floral bronze]

u guys think brewmaster is finally good after the buffs?

[lusty grotto]

its pretty limited atm, but im sure they will iterate on it

[lusty grotto]

sure

but its not gonna be a meta shift

[heady nimbus]

Well they say in the article you can but don't explain how and none of the pictures show it lol.

[lusty grotto]

im sure someone has posted a video

i just dont care about it

[floral bronze]

yeah sure, im just looking for an alt to play and ive always enjoyed BrM

[lusty grotto]

which is why im listing wowhead stuff

its a good step in the right direction though

[heady nimbus]

Definitely agreed.

[solid sun]

There's no reason you can't play what you enjoy as an alt. It's perfectly viable for any content you'd want to do as an alt.

[lusty grotto]

yeah brew is perfectly capable of anything right now

so they will be good next patch

err

tuesday

[floral bronze]

true, i just always felt that as a brewmaster i have to do play so much better to get the same results as just chilling on another tank, which kinda ruined it for me. im hoping the buffs aleviate that a bit, because the core gameplay is fun

[lusty grotto]

#protection message heres what our resident Brew said

i think griff also played it as an alt

and others

[solid sun]

There are monks in the top 100 tanks on raider.io

idk if you'll have to try harder to do whatever is the same in what you do now, but you'll be able to do it.

You won't get to demolish things or press Ravager, but y'know.

Not every tank can be great.

[vocal tiger]

Hey, just getting back into the game and been practicing prot warrior in delves before popping into keys, got tank anxiety lol, anyway sometimes i don't have a gcd to press as collosus, is that normal?

[floral bronze]

yeah i agree, but im kinda done w my prot warr. i got 3k rating 2 weeks ago and aotc like 4 weeks ago, im just logging on to do gally hc each week for the mount

[lusty grotto]

mmmm in ST it tends to happen

[vocal tiger]

Like if ss and tclap are on cd but I'm trying to not spend rage on a revenge because i'll need them for ignore pain reup or sb

[lusty grotto]

but in anything else it doesnt happen as often

[lusty grotto]

you should be revenging

thats why you play colossus

[solid sun]

We do be revenging.

We're Batman now

[lusty grotto]

No Stranger To Pain and Brutal Vitality help your IP be up

the more damage you deal, the better

and revenge goes brrr

[vocal tiger]

So it should be pretty infrequent but occasional in st?

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt happen often in AOE

[vocal tiger]

Haven't played warrior since wrath

[lusty grotto]

it tends to happen in ST because your priorities shift

rage management is a bit less easy in ST

instigate certainly helps though

[vocal tiger]

Just doing a lot of t11 delves I feel like I finally got a handle on shield block and ig pain management but I'm sure it'll get fucky in keys

[lusty grotto]

yeah... delves are

probably better than sitting in a dummy

but certainly not a key

[vocal tiger]

Just been a long time and everyone expects perfect knowledge of keys from tanks so procrastinating popping in lol

[lusty grotto]

shield block management is the most important

[lusty grotto]

anxiety is only beaten when you dive in

if people expect something specific, fuck em

go next key

[drifting hull]

If we are in the middle of a pull, outburst procs, we ss, get IP, but it gets punched off immediately before we have a chance to refill with revenge, do we cast IP again? Or do we just spam revenge until our next outburst? Assuming we aren't capping on rage, and there aren't any huge tank busters coming immediately.

[lusty grotto]

youre not gonna start doing 12s or higher anyway

[lusty grotto]

depends if you need the IP or not

and if your rage is up

[vocal tiger]

The poddyc was wrong about class discord demons. Thanks for advice!

[solid sun]

Read the pins idiot

[lusty grotto]

they arent wrong

[solid sun]

I'm jk

[lusty grotto]

the only thing they are wrong about is they dont have their context correct

the cheat discussion for example

its not that we hate cheat deaths

its that people want to play them when learning the class, and the death is a lot better teacher than just "living"

but that goes to new people, cheat discussions arent aimed at people doing 18s like dorky

or 19s, or 20s this season

[pallid quiver]

Cheats are also of varying value, as well; they tend to have very long CDs as a whole, which makes them less defensively able than straight normal defensive trinkets sometimes

[lusty grotto]

its a lot more nuanced than they mention

but they arent wrong about demons, ive been that guy

[vocal tiger]

Are a lot of prot warriors playing battle scarred vet? Speaking of cheat death, ravager being the typical swap talent seems like a big loss

[lusty grotto]

especially on meta prot warrior seasons lmao

[lusty grotto]

you swap battering for it

[solid sun]

Also sometimes it's extremely fair to say, "Read the pins" because the same question was just answered like 6 minutes before they showed up asking whatever the question was, and instead of rehashing the entire thing all over again, you can just say "read the pins" or "scroll up." It isn't being rude - it's allowing other conversations to be had.

But sometimes it's just 'cause someone is annoyed, too. :)

[lusty grotto]

but its perfectly fine to talent it

[pallid quiver]

In most situations currently where you'd pick up BSV, you'd drop Battering Ram, since you generally are pulling very large in those instances, making Ravager gain more value than average

[drifting hull]

Im not dying, but I am concerned that I am stressing healer more than necessary. I'm aware this is a specific question for a general use case. Just trying to get the most general answer possible. I have a lot of healers complain that I'm more difficult to heal than other warriors, but that I typically tdo more dmg. I am assuming it's because I'm using revenge more than they are and IP less, but it's just a guess

(apologies about derailing the convo)

[vocal tiger]

My wowhead approved build(tm) doesn't have battering ram or bsv

[pallid quiver]

The main thing that makes you seem harder to heal is SB issues or defensive CD issues

Ensuring you're spending rage on Revenge, as long as you use IP to avoid overcapping, actually makes you tankier

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean, they have the right idea, there's just a lot more than they have the time to discuss and/or also have an entire different perspective (higher keys, their tanks are also extremely great players, RWF)

[pallid quiver]

Since you both get more leech value and get more IP out overtime, since Revenge is a lot less rage costly than it seems due to rage refunds and resetting SS CD

[pallid quiver]

You drop Indom for Battering Ram

Nome keeps Indom in there as some remote amount of training wheels for new players

[lusty grotto]

i think Nome hasnt updated the colossus M+ build

yeah i guess

[drifting hull]

SB is ~90-95% most times. I don't think it's that. SW is uptime might need some work.

[pallid quiver]

Because at least anything is better than nothing, and it's not a drastic difference to keep indom and no battering ram

[solid sun]

Isn't it also aimed at people not having 4pc yet?

[lusty grotto]

right but at this point

everyone has 4pc

[pallid quiver]

Most guides are aimed at people having 4p, from what I recall

[lusty grotto]

so i'd imagine he will update it if we yell at him loud enough

[drifting hull]

This is mostly what I was looking for though much appreciated.

[lusty grotto]

thats the go-to now

[vocal tiger]

Good to know, i think the wowheqd page says the battering ram/ ravager/bsv are the choice nodes

[lusty grotto]

yeah

in keys you drop battering for BSV

[pallid quiver]

If you do want some specifics and looks, you could always drop a log, either here or make a thread in the log review section, and you can get the direct issues, if any, nailed down for you.

[lusty grotto]

in raid you probably can drop whichever depending on the fight (is it AOE? is it pure ST?)

[drifting hull]

Probably would be a good idea. Again, much appreciated.

[solid sun]

Yeah but if you do that we will make fun of you so hard.

For every tiny little mistake

Especially me, who plays perfectly.

I definitely don't not block stuff or miss out on spell block or get hit in the back or any other such bad things

[chilly brook]

It also definitely depends like you can get a lot of false positives when running BSV in keys

[lusty grotto]

👀

agreed

also PoddyC was literally calling out Fel Hammer, not us

[chilly brook]

Like in a 15 I've had it proc and then run the same exact key back in the same area without the talent and never had anything where I was in danger of dying

[lusty grotto]

but we've been that too

[chilly brook]

like literally ran a more DPS oriented build

Granted I think 15 is the last level of key where I'd not just insta lock BSV

and I would definitely lock it in a 15 ML regardless

last 2 bosses just aren't worth the risk

[chilly brook]

is battering actually the better choice over rav to drop?

(I have no horse in this race I just usually look at what Sense is doing)

[lusty grotto]

for keys i would say so

unless

its a small pull key

[chilly brook]

I suppose I could ask @strong forum

[lusty grotto]

kinda the same rules as Instigate vs Bloodsurge and Spear vs Troar

or at least thats what i go by

ravager is just too strong in aoe

swimming in rage, revenge spam goes brrr

[chilly brook]

tbh I care more about the rage implications

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[chilly brook]

rage econ>damage in higher keys

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[chilly brook]

Could also see if Sense has anything to weigh in on this

[lusty grotto]

💯

[chilly brook]

@shut summit is Ravager or Battering Ram better to drop for BSV?

[solid sun]

Well Sense gets their wisdom from me

And I just ask Luerce

So what does Luerce have to say

[chilly brook]

So far this has been ok but rav would be nice

[solid sun]

That's very not true no one should listen to me

[pallid quiver]

Nome's stance last I checked was that generally, if pull sizes big, Ravager gains more value on average. You get less rage over time, but you also get burst rage upfront at the start of pulls, which helps you stabilize at the hardest part of pulls. If pull sizes low, you're less likely to get mirked and ram gains more value damage wise, and it gives more rage over time as well iirc

[chilly brook]

So TLDR most keys run Rav and then BR in mechagon or TOP

[pallid quiver]

@strong forum am i remembering your words correctly or am i fake news'ing over here

[pallid quiver]

i'd just run rav in all because cba changing between keys on a personal level

but i'm also not pushing world first keys or anything

[paper dirge]

Hey Tanks,
newbie question, but can Warriors weild 1h maces? in weapon skill it just say maces,
Crafting 1h Mace is much cheaper than sword or axe

[chilly brook]

I like cookin big pulls

yeah warrior can use all melee weapons sans glaives and daggers

[pallid quiver]

we can technically use daggers

it's just str daggers don't really exist

[hardy snow]

finally, 133 pulls rolling stupid ball

[chilly brook]

noice

[unborn dragon]

Gz

[jagged pier]

jesus

[solid sun]

Grats

[shut summit]

i like both, don't really notice huge difference either way, rav helps setup pulls like first in mechagon and cinderbrew tho

[pallid quiver]

he's free of prison

[pallid quiver]

This is pretty much how I feel; there's so much going on the fuel of the spec that it doesn't really make a large scale difference outside of the very start of scary pulls imo

[chilly brook]

Appreciate the input

[pallid quiver]

hence why i'd just default to rav

[chilly brook]

My group enjoys big pulls with the ele shaman so

[shut summit]

just need shield spec to be 1 pt only then we can get both

[chilly brook]

If I can gain a little bit on the aoe side would be nice

[solid sun]

Do you need BSV when you're doing Sense keys?

[jagged pier]

thats a lot of pulls.......

[shut summit]

need is a strong word, it helps to alleviate mistakes and avoid wipes / depletes

[chilly brook]

there really is no good thing to drop

if you wanted both and BSV 😦

[shut summit]

sometimes i don't proc it, sometimes i proc on CD

[chilly brook]

Some keys more than others

but in the 16s I'd def start just locking it in

[solid sun]

When you proc it do you assume you made a mistake or are keys just kinda like that at that level?

[chilly brook]

it doesn't hurt all that much but it can help

[shut summit]

it isn't always a mistake

[hardy snow]

Well, my guildmates dont know how to roll a ball or grab scrapmaster instead of bombshell

[chilly brook]

Brother sometimes my health doesn't move and it procs lmao

[hardy snow]

we had 6% pulls like 30 pulls ago

[solid sun]

:O

[pallid quiver]

Since I use your logs as examples a lot, I can say that "need" is definitely a strong word. A lot of runs you have logged, it just doesn't get used at all. Even on keys where it gets proc'd, you have other runs where it just doesn't as well.

It will, however, save pulls if something does happen, mistakes, intent, whatever

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

Granted that's not often that's usually like "I'm intentionally eating this mechanic" moment

[lusty grotto]

to be fair... mistakes can happen pushing keys

looking at BSV after the fact has little value

[hardy snow]

good thing on thursday im off for Easter, so someone else will be tanking it on reprogress farm

[jagged pier]

u 3 days arent u?

[pallid quiver]

It being useful for both mistakes and intentional leverage is part of what makes it a strong talent imo

[shut summit]

im hypercritical of my mistakes so try to avoid making same one twice, in general I would recommend bsv for most people doing high keys (whatever high is for that person)

[lusty grotto]

if anything it tells you whether you need to keep using it or not for that specific level of key, but thats it

[chilly brook]

I sometimes like telling my healer to just not worry about me and to let it proc tbh

[lusty grotto]

im personally using BSV for any key push i do

[chilly brook]

having that flexibility in areas where he's already taxed because of group damage intake is nice

[lusty grotto]

after i check, and make sure i didnt make any mistakes, i untalent it for that specific bracket

[pallid quiver]

unrelated to anything, plz use your top player privilege to get blizz to make doors and stools and stuff stop catching my cow when moving around, kthx

[lusty grotto]

etc etc

[lusty grotto]

you need to play a dwarf

[chilly brook]

nah

[lusty grotto]

and then you get stuck ON EVERYTHING

[chilly brook]

dorf overrated

[lusty grotto]

you get to swim on the fountain at SoB

[hardy snow]

yes, Wed/Thu/Mon, but next reset we raid only two days due to Easter

[chilly brook]

Night elf goated

[lusty grotto]

you see that little rock in DFC?

yeah ive gotten stuck in it

[jagged pier]

F

not the dream

[hardy snow]

thats good, we aint tryhards, im leaving for Easter on thursday anyway, so I will miss only one raid instead of two 😄

[sleek ether]

Guys I have a question, not sure if this is the right place to ask. Im gearing my warrior rn. Do i take ascendance on a crafted weapon or 2x duskthread?

[lusty grotto]

its the right place to ask

[chilly brook]

duskthread

[lusty grotto]

dusk or dawn are fine

ascendance is eh

[chilly brook]

preference between those 2

dusk/dawn that is

[lusty grotto]

you go ascendance when its the 1st (or 2nd) week and you only have one craft

and in that case you should go shield

so i guess your 2nd craft

[sleek ether]

ah ok, because if i check on high rated warriors they are pretty mixed

[lusty grotto]

shield > weapon > embelishments

they likely havent changed embelishments

[chilly brook]

ultimately embellishment is not impactful as long as you have one

[lusty grotto]

they will drop that one when a myth weapon drops anyway

but again we cant answer for them

[sleek ether]

ah ok ty guys 🙂

[chilly brook]

there's a "best" but it won't keep you out of 17s

[sleek ether]

back to the best part of wow, gearing up 😄

[lusty grotto]

yeah its very minimal

[serene steppe]

Is this pull too big? I have done two runs and people keep dying to the random damage from the ranged shooters

[lusty grotto]

no

thats a pretty standard pull

[solid sun]

Where are you tanking it

[lusty grotto]

do you have agro on the sharpshooters?

[serene steppe]

At the stairs where the boss starts at

Is there a way to gather them? They just stand at range shooting away

[lusty grotto]

tell your group to be at melee range

they aim at people for traps

[toxic gyro]

They’re dying bc they’re not using defensives for knight’s disrupting shout that is followed by mini bosses thunderclap.

[lusty grotto]

if your group is stacked on other mobs, they will jump in eventually

if timmy the ele shaman is standing in africa, they will jump to africa as well

[serene steppe]

Are they not gonna jump unless everyone is stacked?

[solid sun]

I know Happy does an LoS pull to the outside wall close to where the footmen start

But I'm unsure if he grabs the boss or if he does double knights

[lusty grotto]

read one line above

jimmy the boomy, and timmy the ele need to be stacked

with the melee

or else they will bait jumps to africa

or...

just bring a UDK

c:

[solid sun]

Slappy Hands a real one for sure

[lusty grotto]

plus they demolish that key anyway

[serene steppe]

Okay thanks for the help, will see if I can make randoms stack up there

[solid sun]

Try to make friends with good players in other keys that you successfully complete

Network with them and then tackle harder keys like Priory

If you can manage any amount of social yapping it can go a long way to make certain keys easier.

[lusty grotto]

urging pugs to stack as ranged is kind of similar to herding cats

[solid sun]

^

[serene steppe]

ew being social in wow? what is this 2005?

[lusty grotto]

mention it once, being nice about it, but they likely wont

[serene steppe]

People are scared of aoe so they stay at max range by default

[lusty grotto]

same as stacking on moletenders lmao

fucking timmy being at ranged instead of on top of them so they take literally 0 damage

[solid sun]

Moletenders gotta be among the most annoying mobs ever created.

[lusty grotto]

eating those rocks

[jovial steeple]

hey there, is there an working Reflect WA?

[lusty grotto]

its the season of ranged being in melee range, if they dont, they are likely inting

[crimson furnace]

anyone here playing thane??

or are we all colossus?

🤔

[lusty grotto]

most of us are colossus

i cant recall any regular playing thane

[crimson furnace]

🫡

[frosty mango]

I have a macro for this specifically because people are max dumb

I also explain how sharpshooters work in priory at the start of every key and inevitably some dumb melee stands between them and me, dies, complains about aggro

As if I just explained it for no reason literally 10 seconds before

[nocturne spindle]

wait

[chilly brook]

This dog so neeeedy

[lusty grotto]

yeah well

[nocturne spindle]

do the sharpshooters have like a target line

[solid sun]

What a good pupper

[nocturne spindle]

can you tank it

[lusty grotto]

PET THE DOG

[nocturne spindle]

or do you just mean the jump

[frosty mango]

No but like nearly every other gun type mob in the game if you stand behind them they won’t shoot you

[nocturne spindle]

ohh

fair enough

[frosty mango]

If you stand in front of them they will shoot you and in higher keys you will probably die due to aoe overlap

[solid sun]

Hmmmm

[chilly brook]

I can’t not pet her, she basically slaps the phone out of my hands if I stop

[nocturne spindle]

and i assume they face their aggro target?

[lusty grotto]

good dog

[frosty mango]

Yes

[nocturne spindle]

neat

[dense remnant]

can someone tell me which one is the raw number of dmg that the boss did from this?

[lusty grotto]

U:

[solid sun]

You must mean after the ranged stacks on melee to bait the sharpshooters in they should then step out to be behind them

[urban portal]

Raw damage is 57m

[frosty mango]

Yes

[urban portal]

Then you mitigated most of it

[lusty grotto]

U = unmitigated

[frosty mango]

I explain in painstaking detail that point and why it’s important and how they work…..and then melee is just like “oh fuck that let me stand in front of them”

[chilly brook]

M=mitigated, B=block, A=absorb

[pallid quiver]

I'm going to have to ask you to take over the super powers of the Earth to fund this dog's care.

Please understand.

[chilly brook]

Oh she’s well taken care of lmao

She has me on a schedule

[pallid quiver]

Little Timmy may not understand the importance of you crushing him into the dirt for the dog's benefit, but it must be done.

[chilly brook]

Every day like clockwork at 4pm she lets me know she’s hungry

Then she brings the ball over after to play fetch

[dense remnant]

so it doesnt take the +750% debuff in to account?

🤔

[lusty grotto]

what do you mean

[dense remnant]

i took the 2nd one with the +750% dmg taken debuff

and im confused

[lusty grotto]

well

whats a normal 1ab hit

[dense remnant]

76 mil blocked tho?

huh

[lusty grotto]

yeah could be a crit block

[blazing zinc]

Hello, if you compare a "meta" comp (except Warrior there):
Prot Warrior + Boomie + DK + Mage or Ele
vs
Prot Warrior + 3x melee or Hunter

how do you think it compares in strength? Is the "meta" comp so strong that it doesn't matter that only the DK benefits from Battle Shout or would you say that 3x melee/hunter are better thanks to Battle Shout?

Just curious, wondering what you think, this question just came to my mind recently, any opinions much appreciated!

[lusty grotto]

lets see here

[lusty grotto]

do you have the log

Big hit consistently hits for 60M-ish

[oak ivy]

looks like a crit block

[lusty grotto]

yes

its absolutely a crit block

[dense remnant]

ye, crit block makes sense

i was just expecting the "unmitigated dmg" number include the debuff

[lusty grotto]

do you have the log

[dense remnant]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gyDYqvf1AZ3aLHmG?fight=40&type=damage-taken&source=417&ability=460472&view=events

blocked dmg being higher than the unmitigated dmg just seems weird

doesnt really matter

but was just curious how logs showed something like this

[lusty grotto]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gyDYqvf1AZ3aLHmG?fight=40&type=damage-taken&source=417&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%24228458.0.0.Boss%24true%24190134872.0.0.Warrior%24false%24460472&ability=460472&view=events

yeah thats certainly strange

might be a bug with WCL

[solid sun]

I guess I don't understand what's weird here

[lusty grotto]

wait no

8 mil taken with 75m blocked

yeah its a bug

[lusty juniper]

I see yoda playing some mountain thane, has he given any reason to why?

[lusty grotto]

unmitigated should be higher

i wonder if you could see the raw log from that specific section

[solid sun]

Does it matter that more was absorbed?

[lusty grotto]

no

what youre not seeing is

Unmitigated damage is not correct

75M damage blocked as opposed to 5M, and unmitigated is reporting hte same damage

that last line he had the debuff taking +750% more damage

so unmitigated damage shouldnt be lower than the previous line where he had no debuff

[dense remnant]

bug makes sense

[lusty grotto]

i would uhh

go to WCL discord and tell them

but its likely they will ask for a raw log

[ripe acorn]

I am using the wowhead Colossus build for m+, wich point should I take from to gain the disrupting shout?

[lusty grotto]

SoF

[ripe acorn]

ty

[lucid heath]

Hey all, curious on what people think of Indomitable? Came back to wow recently and most guides I'd looked at suggested it but now every high level player I look at doesn't seem to run it.

[lusty grotto]

we dont use it

guides havent been changed to reflect that

[small steeple]

It does nothing. Trickle of healing that is already going to be done through leech

[lucid heath]

yeah the healing does seem extremely underwhelming now that i've been thinking about it

and guess 6% stamina is alright but like taking ravager would be real nice

[drifting hull]

Ravager is infinitely better. The rage gen it provides is invaluable

[lucid heath]

cool ill make the switch

thanks all

[jade tartan]

is there a guide or wa for how to use Tome of Lights Devotion properly?

[dense remnant]

[small steeple]

Not sure but Yoda is known to experiment with builds, so he's probably just trying it out

[idle copper]

anyone able to decipher this please, we got upto the platform by the paraglider and a load of mobs appeared out of nowhere . we were then stuck in combat for about 10 minutes with random mobs running to us
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WRG7f3D16TcPYBg9?fight=last&type=summary

[fringe musk]

It's probably because mountain thane is sick af you turn into a fn lightning storm man

[small steeple]

SOunds like you want to play Fury my friend

[lusty grotto]

youre a vdh

https://discord.gg/felhammer

check there 🙂

[small steeple]

It was monk. I believe he cast paralyze, which enters combat, let me confirm

[idle copper]

makes sense, he died and was running back

[lusty grotto]

<@&257983573498265600>

[small steeple]

Don't see him cast it, but he did that run back, gets in combat with your group, then on replay hyenas agro from across map at around 10:50 mark

[idle copper]

mobs seemed to appear before he got back to us, or im might have just gone into blind panic

[small steeple]

There may have been some, but Hyenas appeared to enter combat after he gets back

Other enemies not showing on replay though

[idle copper]

probably it, ty

we had about 15 extra mobs spread out over about 5 minutes come at us

[fringe musk]

I'll try that at some point. I wish there were more tanks with ranged DPS offspecs

[fading tide]

Does anyone use battle scar vet?

[lusty grotto]

sometimes, sure

[strong forum]

I recommend it for priory and cinderbrew

They have some problematic first few pulls

Aswell as boss/minibosses being rather spicy

[unborn island]

I run it for everything because pug healers

I tell myself that, it's probably more because I'm trash

But damn I miss that juice DPS from BR

[novel laurel]

yo guys, i got a question. Gearing up my warr prot and not sure if to craft the 658 wep or shield?

[mighty valley]

Shield's our most important defensive item usually, weapon contributes more to damage

[novel laurel]

so shield then lol

how can i share my raidbot

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tpH4vCWLFDthq3K8TWy1WR

[mighty valley]

yeah I would craft shield because you're currently rocking a 619 lol

but we have a million sparks now, get both

[grave dock]

Why most top score is colossus and I see Yoda doing 17 with mountain tane 😆😆 why he not chose colossus? Its better ?

[small steeple]

Que the endless questions on why he's playing MT.

Yoda likes to experiment and try stuff out

[grave dock]

Huh, and he does nice dmg also 😆

[novel laurel]

ty lol

what you mean bout the sparks tho

where do i get most of them

[mighty valley]

If you haven't been playing, doing basically any content will slowly get you catchup sparks

[novel laurel]

ah ok u mean the sparks of fortune etc

yeah ure right i got 3-4

so those are for crafting those

how do i get the spark to craft the 658 tho

[jagged gust]

theres a crest you buy with crests that upgrades the sparks base ilvl

at the enchanting vendor

[novel laurel]

i got the undermine one that gets to 658 i see

ahh i see, i only need th ebase spark of fortunes and if using the undermine one it increases it right

[mighty valley]

yeah, you need 60 gilded crests to buy the biggest enchanted crest

the freebie you got is the heroic equivalent

[opaque snow]

you can buy the crests at a vendor right next to the work order NPC now

[round cliff]

doing dungeons just for io and vault slots feels so lame

can we get a shitty balance patch so my bis changes please

[buoyant sparrow]

First crafted item should be shield?

[sharp gale]

What is nice damage

[mighty valley]

have you considered learning to play the harp

[round cliff]

i get accused of raidlogging when i do this

[sand torrent]

lol I got told to do my weekly keys at Wednesday

[solid sun]

Whatcha mean

What's the diff between doing dungeons for io and vault and doing the raid for rank and vault

Except one is way better than the stinky raid :P

[sand torrent]

Easy answer

Touching myself

[lusty grotto]

we highly recommend it yes

you replace it only with a myth shield

[buoyant sparrow]

thank you

[topaz hornet]

Hey question how do we know what is best gear for us. For fury it is easy sim you character and if number bigger me bigger happy.

[pallid quiver]

Items with most haste followed by simming those

The differences between secondary stats are generally close enough that you can just default to simming after grabbing haste, since haste smooths out the rotation and enables you to grab ITF without losing SB uptime

This will generally be mostly Haste/Crit focused secondaries with a splash of other stats, but if you're still gearing, you can slap on highest ilvl, run Heavy Repercussions, and be fine

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-5-corruption-enchants-revisited-post-buff-better-but-still-a-clear-376355 @sharp gale

hot off the press

[pallid quiver]

ur hot

gottem

[lusty grotto]

[forest sluice]

new to prot warrior, whats the best way to handle 2nd boss of priory soaks?

[thorn patio]

Only soak 2 if you have shield wall or an on use trinket

[onyx vessel]

invite a dk dps

yell at them to AMS it

[sand torrent]

Yell at dks when they don’t grip too

Yell at dks in general

[pallid quiver]

Also, it's possible to get a stack earlier enough to have time for the stack to drop and you still have time to soak another

not having your DPS/Heals freak out about it is a different issue

[forest sluice]

how long should i wait between soaks

so healer doesnt have a meltdown

[patent osprey]

Its more so waiting until after the shield throw/castigator shield cast goes off then making sure the healer can make everyone healthy before you start soaking.

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[patent osprey]

Your group or you can soak multiple at a time if everyone is topped

[pallid quiver]

The soaks pulse damage every time people soak, too, iirc

That's where a lot of people get murdered is trying to rush getting soaks, so damage comes out and the shields hit

And then there's the follow up aoe from shields likely over to soaks so people panic even more

It's really not so bad as long as you don't rush it; it takes somewhere around seventeen years for the murder explosion to actually happen, so everyone can casually soak at some point, even for the 5 time soaks

[forest sluice]

is ther a way to avoid having the big circles spawn on top of the soak? the ones that slow ppl

i feel like im on the other side of the room and they spawn there

[pallid quiver]

That's the shield throw we mentioned; they go where people are standing

[forest sluice]

maybe a dps out of position?

ok

ty

[pallid quiver]

Castigator's Shield goes on 3? random party members iirc

It hits them with initial damage, slows them, and then leaves a ground aoe that goes off centered on their position

(You can spell reflect the initial hit, by the way, as a random aside)

[small steeple]

yeah, all spells go to 3, uyless he has the avenging wrath then all 5 get targeted

[lusty grotto]

a funny reddit post for once

[round cliff]

the urge to disappear and play a suboptimal brm is strong

[warm plinth]

I just watched that movie

[lusty grotto]

youre like the patientgamer redditor for movies

[warm plinth]

idk what that means XD

[lusty grotto]

its a subreddit

anyway its a Christopher Nolan movie, and those are either a theater watch or day 1 streaming watch for me

[warm plinth]

Oh, I just looked it up. Yeah I don't intentionally wait for stuff. I just don't really get hyped for most things lol

[lusty grotto]

probably the best thing you can do nowadays

[warm plinth]

Games especially are hard to get excited about when 90% of them seem to release half-finished

[lusty grotto]

well at least monster hunter has been good

[warm plinth]

Yeah I tried that for a bit. Didn't care for it too much. It's not bad but it's not really my vibe.

[lusty grotto]

i just like monster hunters in general

[warm plinth]

Kinda feels bad though; my twitch mod bought it for me as a surprise

[lusty grotto]

this one is a little bit easier than previous ones, but i dont mind it

[warm plinth]

And then I played it like twice

I just can't really get into games that are complicated and that's kind of a low bar for me. It doesn't really ease you into any of it either, and I've never played a MH game before

It starts with a super bizarre control scheme and then has the crazy crafting system and item bar and the weird attack combos and shit, idk

[lusty grotto]

the next 2 games im looking forward to are, nightreign for elden ring and dune awakening

im sure im missing one more but

thats about it

yeah monster hunters are just better with controllers

[warm plinth]

Honestly I tried to play with controller and had to swap to kb/m

[lusty grotto]

ive been playing it with kb+m though just for something new

[warm plinth]

The controls are like the opposite of what you expect them to be on controller, and they aren't customizable at all

[lusty grotto]

idk i got used to them pretty fast

[pallid quiver]

play an older monhan, like MHFU on the PSP

don't get hit and hit it until it dies

the order is important

[warm plinth]

I was able to kill things. I just didn't find it particularly fun to do so.

[pallid quiver]

I have zero idea how Wilds works

At some point, when they started adding styles, they were adding too many mechanics for me

[warm plinth]

I either killed shit and never took damage or I'd miss some subtle telegraph and get one-shot

[pallid quiver]

i just wanna hit things

[warm plinth]

Virtually no in-between

[pallid quiver]

that's the monster hunter life

[lusty grotto]

wilds has a lot of QoL which messes with difficulty

[pallid quiver]

If it makes you feel better, things don't hit as hard as they did in some older games

[lusty grotto]

but i think its good for the series

[pallid quiver]

god damn fatalis turns

your hp, non-existent, evaporated, doesn't exist

[lusty grotto]

its nowhere near as difficult, but we will see when G-rank comes out

worlds g-rank wasnt too difficult i found either so

[warm plinth]

But yeah it's just too much for my old brain I guess. The games I've gotten into in the last few years have been pretty simple ones and that's cool with me.

[lusty grotto]

im fine with it being easy

or easier

[warm plinth]

I played R.E.P.O. the other day and that was fun

[lusty grotto]

youre turning into yogi

[warm plinth]

How's that

[lusty grotto]

😄

[pallid quiver]

It's super funny, since Monster Hunter to me has always been a simple game. Again, don't get hit and hit it until it dies. They added a lot more combo variations and situational things as the series went on, particularly after MH4G

We went from having hills be revolutionary to "hey there's multiple different combo styles and super like abilities you can have, go nuts"

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk, the combat is really ass to me. I tried a few weapons. Liked dual blades the best, but even that had the weird demon mode thing that used the same button you use to activate the demon mode as an attack button IN demon mode, but only sometimes

It was really aggravating ending the mode despite the prompt saying it was going to do an attack

[lusty grotto]

i played dual blades for a bit, it felt fun

you just play the dodges

and go for focus strikes

[pallid quiver]

I have literally zero idea how modern dual blades work

[warm plinth]

And to me, the prompt should change when you press the button, not when the attack finishes, so you know what to queue up next

[lusty grotto]

well you see, there's focus strike mode now or w/e its called

where youre aiming constantly

[pallid quiver]

Like, bowguns are literally entirely different weapons from what I'm used to

[warm plinth]

Yeah, which I honestly felt like I couldn't play without that mode

[lusty grotto]

i STILL cant fucking play gunlance

i tried for a spell and holy fuck its the same slow ass shit as any MH

[warm plinth]

Trying to hit things without focus mode is impossible to me

[lusty grotto]

thats how old MHs were 🙂

[pallid quiver]

Monster Hunter traditionally is very stressed on learning monster patterns and fitting your attack windows in there.

[warm plinth]

I played longsword a bit at the start and didn't even know about focus mode. I'd miss like every attack because you couldn't adjust the aim mid-attack for shit

[pallid quiver]

They give you 50 minutes on a normal hunt, while you only need like 20 on a casual go through to drop something to give you an idea

[warm plinth]

Yeah, idk. It got to the point where it felt like I was playing fuckin ninja gaiden just brainlessly mashing a button, except every now and then (like once every 4 or 5 hunts), I'd just fall over because I got slapped. Not particularly enjoyable to me. Part of it is probably just being too used to WoW where things are either instant or have a cast time. It's uncomfortable to me to press a button and then the attack takes time to execute afterward

Without some visual representation of the time it's taking I mean

[lusty grotto]

then im guessing you dont enjoy soulsbornes

[warm plinth]

I haven't played Elden Ring, but I love the rest (except DS2 which I pretend doesn't exist)

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[warm plinth]

Well, more accurately, I have played Elden Ring, but not very much

[lusty grotto]

i wonder then if it was just your weapon picks

[warm plinth]

I played long enough to fight some dude who threw daggers at me that I couldn't beat, and killed tree sentinel

[lusty grotto]

big weapons are just slower in MH

but you can dodge cancel

swings etc

[warm plinth]

I'm fine with weapons being slow. But dual blades would have like...a button press isn't one attack

It's like multiple slashes

[lusty grotto]

yeah its a combo thing

basically Lmouse Rmouse Shift and R are your attacks

and positionally you have different attacks

idk it feels very similar to soulsbornes to me

but i play Hammer usually, and now im playing sword and shield

[warm plinth]

Yeah idk, I'm glad people like it. Just not my kind of thing basically haha

[lusty grotto]

it be like that

sometimes i wonder if blizzard is truly incapable of NOT filling my bags with useless garbage

that only works on x zone

or outdoors

[jagged gust]

May have been an issue with the companion not pushing an update through on my side for some reason? About 1-2 months ago I had an issue where it tried updating your WA but wouldn't consider it updated in the in-game client, re-installed the WA and it seemed happy since aside from the funky Overwhelming Rage bug, but yeah went to your page and made another copy and the rage bar is now altered/fixed

with both the package WA and the standalone

so definitely sounds like client side issue

[maiden ravine]

my gnome warrior felt like a wrecking ball in terms of damage lol.

[round cliff]

the more i observe the more i realize nimchip is correct all along

mostly....

goated hammer main

[woven torrent]

hello guys, is the general consensus this season that dwarf or NElf is the best race for pushing high M+?

gearing a tank for the first time

i know all the nelf skips but unsure about the bleeds since my main is a boomie lol

[jagged pier]

the race u like to look at the most is the best

[woven torrent]

i just wanna know which one is more often useful

[eager phoenix]

sir, if you read the descriptions of the buttons i think you can figure it out

[woven torrent]

thank you very helpful

let me put it another way

does prot war do well vs bleeds or is there any that fuck us up?

[slender bison]

Priory, ML orc boss and ToP

But nothing CDs or parry can't fix

It's not like the infamous Uldaman crocolisks pull

Or Grim Batol

[woven torrent]

alright thank you

[slender bison]

Also you're behind the curve, most 14s+ want VDHs and BDKs if you don't have a group. So race is the least of your problems.

And starting next reset prob Brewmasters

[woven torrent]

not sure about the bdk part, pretty much every tank is the same except vdh

but i dont enjoy the others so im just making the war to play with my friends sometimes when our tank isnt available

[crisp crown]

@woven torrent dwarf is considered to be the most minmax pick as a tank i think

[rough nest]

I just regen 2% of the damage taken over 4s, and I like it

[idle copper]

What's happening with BMs?

[novel laurel]

how

[novel laurel]

😮

havent played alliance races in years lmao

[red tree]

Celestial brew buff, elusive brawler buff, st damage buff

[eager phoenix]

since you didn't read the description: stoneform gives you 10% phys dr for 8s so even when there is no relevant & frequently occuring debuff that cant be dealt with through other means you get mileage. or if dark iron, you get some dmg instead

[woven torrent]

and that was not my question so idk why u keep adding to ur smart statements

[idle copper]

Everything else being equal you can take a lot of the discomfort away by funneling into IP for the bleed

[graceful kite]

feels good af

[graceful kite]

dwarf for tank because other players can be ne to enable skips but cant remove bleeds and debuffs from you

[woven torrent]

yes but obviously they cant do some of them like hobgoblins/workshop last 2

i mean from what ppl said so far bleeds are manageable with good cds or playing so nelf it is

[sharp gale]

Does ppl you mention are vdh, so they can’t be dwarf in the first place

But for now bleeds are manageable, on my bdk

[round pendant]

This should get you banned imo

[graceful kite]

yep but its normal now

[round pendant]

So scummy

[graceful kite]

happens every raid including guild ones

[round pendant]

I'd have gotten banned for my response to that guy

Lmao

[strong forum]

Depends how desperate I'd be, but I'd kick that pelo if I saw him taking the neck while having 678

Real quick

[graceful kite]

I told rl they denied kicking and I left

[strong forum]

Ain't no fuck rolling to sell in my runs

[neon elk]

U can do all those skips but u have to die as non elf, its not as time eficient but its doable , meanwhile bleeds are manageable but its nice to remove some stuff here and there . Imho, if i played in static push group i will go nelf for skips because i know my group can handle said skips, in mostly pugs i wouldnt trust them realy and go dwarf/what i like visualy instead.

[graceful kite]

It also depends on how high you actually want to go

[void slate]

Is colossus still the best hero talent or is Mountain Thane better now? 🤔

[neon elk]

Yea that also, like if u dont aim to do 0,1% keys i wouldnt even care about such skips

[sharp gale]

And if you do 0.1% keys, your team will be wtf why you are not vdh, and they will be right

[woven torrent]

yes i wanna get title this season but depends if it will be prot or boomie

ill see how good i can play prot

[woven torrent]

im playing with a holy pala already they aint saying shit

[toxic pewter]

Transmog is one thing but rolling need on necks and rings and crap that definitely won’t use pretty scummy in my opinion

[woven torrent]

[solid sun]

I wouldn’t roll to sell. But if someone asked to buy something that I won that I could actually use I’d probably consider selling, depending on how much gold it was

[jagged pier]

i dont do pug runs

but if i needed something i would roll if someone offers to pay im probably gunna sell

i wouldnt roll to sell it tho

thats just being an arse

[cerulean tusk]

I dont even look, I can need, I need

I am too lazy to check

[buoyant sparrow]

I have been full send on col. BIG DAM!

[supple plinth]

Yo Mountain Thane vs Colossus Prot, I would also be interested in opinions, I tested both and

Thane has more rage sure (so more ignore pains, more survival) and damage is kind of steady, feels beginner friendly,

but Colossus has bigger damage in large spikes, still lot of rage if you have lot of things hitting you and Shockwave has knock up which is great when adds are immune to stun already, durability did not felt that much lower than Thane,

for me Colossus is better and more fun as you have damage almost as dps (sometimes even better than bad dps)

[lusty grotto]

my opinion is that people over estimate IPs contribution to survival and their thane opinion is skewed by it

youre not surviving more because of IPs

they are both very comparable on defensiveness, so there's no reason to be thane since colossus gaps it in damage

[frozen berry]

Faster stuff dies = more survivability

[supple plinth]

Only disadvantage I see for now is that Colossus can get rage starved if there are mot enough things hitting you and you blow your supply of rage too much towards dps, that is sometimes easy way to end yourself

[frozen berry]

Col has bigger IP too

[lusty grotto]

any of the two can get rage starved

its not a colossus only problem

thats the core of the class

rage management

[supple plinth]

Yy big IP (+ there is some refresh IP from damage I think) can get you far as long as you manage ride that IP wave,

sure both can get rage starved but I felt its much easier to recover with Thane

[urban portal]

Being hit is a very small % of your rage

[quick thorn]

Sorry I’m new to prot war and still learning, I have played with MT hero, would like to try colossus, is Demolish channel cancelled if I accidentally move? Or I can cast it while moving?

[urban portal]

You won’t cancel it by moving

You’ll move at a snails pace instead

[quick thorn]

Ok tyvm

[crisp ocean]

how do you learn the routes of dungeons?

[mortal cypress]

practice

[crisp ocean]

but the initial route or smth

[mortal cypress]

check a route in MDT

[jagged pier]

inital route press w

[supple plinth]

Really? Interesting, well in bigger pulls it feels like survivability of prot goes up noticeably, sometimes its much easier to survive big bad + mobs than big bad alone, much easier to cap IP and all that stuff, maybe I didnt pay enough attantion to what exactly is better...or its combination of things (leech, bonus rage, bonus haste....)

[sturdy lintel]

watching someone else's run on YT helped me a lot to visualize how certain pulls are done, don't really need commentary just to see what they do

[frosty mango]

You have massive amounts of tools at your disposal to generate rage on demand, you just need to use your brain and think about how your abilities interact to keep you alive. Most (inexperienced/new) prot wars see ravager, demo shout, shield charge etc as tools to do only damage and just zug the entire key

Which in their defense works for quite a while

But past a certain level you need to make some choices about what buttons you press when

This is gonna be even more true after the weal and woe nerfs today that will make disc far less effective paired with warriors

[solid sun]

Happy vault day fellow NA wow enjoyers!

Today we get all of our goodies that we’ve been wanting

[frosty mango]

Mythic pacemakers and tomes for all

[solid sun]

Either of those or a myth track weapon or heck even a myth track hat to replace my champion track!

[lusty grotto]

i feel a good vault today

but feels =/= rng

and the curse will probably remain

[harsh trellis]

do you?

[supple plinth]

True and I have been using those for generating extra rage when it was needed, but still there are some bosses (like first one in Priory) where survival is issue even with all rage in IP and extra generation being used in regular intervals to keep steady defence

So you dont agree that extra smaller mobs help with survival noticeably?

[toxic pewter]

[harsh trellis]

if you don't , eff them and ignore

[toxic pewter]

he is right

players in this game just always so in tune

[harsh trellis]

lol