probably none if its like DF S4
#protection
lusty grotto
onyx vessel
Login get it 
onyx vessel
Going to require alot of stones tho
lusty grotto
either way this is all speculation at this point
they really havent made public what their implementation will be
onyx vessel
Will be low level to max out at 678 again 
lusty grotto
yup
toxic gyro
I see
jagged gust
every season I say to myself "I'm gonna save up my crest tokens this time"
Every season I whine
urban bane
like lucy with the football
jagged gust
honestly
urban bane
:)
zealous goblet
u guys should use slam its better than revenge for filler bcuz u get to save ur revenge rage for ip uptime!!
wait does slam cost rage i actually dont remember if classic brain is piloting me rn or not
my meme might be extra dumb if so
reef tiger
Slam costs rage
opaque bobcat
Thinking of doing a sub rogue alt, burning out on strictly prot only so far for season 2, i've done over 260 mythics so far lol, ya'll know any good sub rogues to maybe follow, or to find some insight to how I should start to play?
onyx vessel
Slam costs rage
Generates 0 rage doesn't proc shield slams cd dead global to use it
Same with whirlwind
Rend is also not used
onyx vessel
u guys should use slam its better than revenge for filler bcuz u get to save ur ...
Better not be using slam 
why did they add abilities that are useless to prot for people to use by accident and do healer dmg
chilly brook
@lusty grotto Eye fucks in DFC
zealous goblet
Better not be using slam <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
i also tab target rend
(this too is a joke please don't deepfry my nuts)
lofty warren
Where the fck is warrior in s2 patch notes
lofty warren
There ain't no notes for war at all
prisma echo
Bro we are over and literally unplayable after recent patch notes right?
Time to reroll to my xXIllidianDHXx alt
lofty warren
Dh is getting nerf bat
prisma echo
im trolling š
clever barn
hey guys i havent played my warr too much this patch, but how do you handle large dots like the first boss in priory?
just ignore pain and hope healer takes care of you?
lofty warren
Spell reflect yoself
clever barn
is the dot magic dmg? thoguht it was a bleed
lusty grotto
hey guys i havent played my warr too much this patch, but how do you handle larg...
wall
lofty warren
Ohh idk need to check that. Dwarf racial it then
lusty grotto
and get dispelled asap
i just wall 1st, dwarf 2nd, then wall wall, avatar with mini wall whenever its up for demo shout burst setup
pretty manageable with 2pc procs as well
until higher keys when you have to factor in externals and bomb suit
clever barn
ok basically just cycle defensives, not any secret tech to handle large, undispellable bleeds
lusty grotto
no
lofty warren
lusty grotto
the only secret tech is be a dwarf
lusty grotto
its ok at least you can tank Mug'zee ezmode
cause you can racial golden drip or w/e
clever barn
raiding are for nerds
lusty grotto
if you say so
lofty warren
If ur not dwarf and a war ur not doing the thing that the tier list says to do
clever barn
no jk but i dont raid at all
lusty grotto
you have 2 walls + 1 mini wall, with rage cycling they will almost be up for every single one
and with 2pc procs
clever barn
If ur not dwarf and a war ur not doing the thing that the tier list says to do
I will follow the tier list.
lusty grotto
and mini wall will almost certainly be paired with demo shout if youre playing correctly
to setup a demolish
so its more than doable with any race
until high keys
clever barn
i wont be doing higher than 12-13, so should be fine then
thanks a lot for the input
lusty grotto
yeah
lofty warren
Don't think m+ tier list updated for the upcoming tuning yet
cerulean tusk
Doubt that, but I heard warlock stonks are up
round cliff
Doubt that, but I heard warlock stonks are up
id be so down to try warlock but
im da tank..
i can only move laterally now
mortal cypress
dont let artificial boundaries hold you back.....if you want to be a beautiful, evil purple guy in a dress go for it
they just need to find a new tank
round cliff
they just need to find a new tank
im way too good at this game to let anyone take on my responsibilities
i don't wanna hold back my own prog like that
mortal cypress
fair enough!
round cliff
and im not inclined to give up my free tank queues either
echo egret
A few questions on Galliwix heroic :
- with a cooldown, can we tanks take both big bombs ?
- After the initial coil at the start of P2, are all coils active at the same time ?
- When the boss goes to the edges, is that in fixed positions ?
graceful kite
A few questions on Galliwix heroic :
1) with a cooldown, can we tanks take both ...
I did all bombs on gally was fine
Didnt have to swap to dstance even
All coils are active afaik, you put a bomb in each of them once to not get area denial early and only on 5th set of adds you start painting the platform blue
sharp gale
you can even solo tank last phase
echo egret
OK thx
crisp ocean
Can anyone help cuz when I tried tanking m0 for the first time I was taking way too much damage
onyx vessel
Did you have shield block up when you were tanking and not getting hit in back?
quartz tide
What stance did you use?
sharp gale
He can battle stance he will not take damage in m0 with shield block up and face tanking
(I didnāt say he should)
onyx vessel
If your using slam/whirlwind/rend pls don't also maybe new prot warriors do this sometimes
And wonder why they getting rocked
onyx vessel
So you don't overcap rage
sick sentinel
as a newly gearing prot warrior how optimal is mountain thane for m+ and what stat prio should i be working on. ive played prot over a few exp so am familiar with rotation
slender bison
as a newly gearing prot warrior how optimal is mountain thane for m+ and what st...
Try both. Thane is more fluid due to rage generation, Colossus needs more rage management with some slight DPS increase comparing to Thane. Both are successful in 99% of content
sick sentinel
awespme cheers peeps
sharp gale
nice
graceful kite
as a newly gearing prot warrior how optimal is mountain thane for m+ and what st...
Suboptimal, much less damage
Ilvl > haste
crisp ocean
wheres a good place to practice tanking?
strong forum
there aint no easy way to learn the meta game of tanking besides doing it
fastest way to learn is in an environment that will challenge you immediately
but your rotation and so on you can learn on dummies just fine, and id recommend getting familiar with your buttons first
cuz then you dont have to learn the class and tanking at the same time
limpid orbit
Prot warr damage untouched
Thinking of playing a prot war, as a dps main the highest keys Iāve timed had them in it they just pump so much
golden panther
Prot warr damage untouched
Our damage alr got nerfed š¦ still decent though
limpid orbit
Our damage alr got nerfed š¦ still decent though
Yeah in first round of tuning - Prot does most tank damage by far
golden panther
Yeah blood and prot pally are decent as well though
rancid tiger
Coll still a lot more thsn thane?
golden panther
Warr is very consistent overall and good burst with demolish for ez clear mechs like plant in workshop, banner in TOP, drops in brew
Yeah
IMO smoother overlap with defensives too since I think all colossus builds have the shield wall/avatar capstone talent
solid sun
Do your m+ vault options have anything to do with the dungeons you completed that week? I assume not, but like if you really wanted a tome so you did 10 priory +10 keys and no other dungeons, your m+ vault options would have the possibility of rolling items from the rest of the dungeon pool as well, right?
neon elk
Yea its all dungs no natter what u do
strong forum
Yeah in first round of tuning - Prot does most tank damage by far
Nah, bdk gaps our dmg until next week
limpid orbit
Nah, bdk gaps our dmg until next week
Blood getting nerfed? I find it hard to believe bdk does more damage
ebon adder
so, i know colossus is the spec being played most now, however on higher keys do we want to switch to thane ? for more survivability ? or is that the healers fault ? š¤£
rancid tiger
Blood getting nerfed? I find it hard to believe bdk does more damage
Blood beast bdk is real
strong forum
so, i know colossus is the spec being played most now, however on higher keys do...
Most play colossus
strong forum
Blood getting nerfed? I find it hard to believe bdk does more damage
Then you've only seen very bad bdks
They still easily pull over 3mil overalls
easily
limpid orbit
whatās their overall?
strong forum
As pwar you gotta actually put some effort in to get 3mil+ nowadays
limpid orbit
but didnāt they get nerfed or only unholy
limpid orbit
I didnāt read
limpid orbit
3 mil overall for a tank is wild
graceful kite
As pwar you gotta actually put some effort in to get 3mil+ nowadays
No idea how to achieve that honestly
in a pug friendly way especially
in 12+ without affix buffs and without pulling trash on top of bosses to not scare pugs and risk wipes I think 3mil is a dream
lofty warren
Feel like m+ tier list isnt going to move much?
neon elk
Do resil keys drops below 10 if i manualy drop them from 13 to 10 and then dont time it ?
strong forum
Resilient keys don't get lowered by not timing a key
The only way to lower resilient keys is by talking to the npc
neon elk
Yea just wasnt sure if it apply only to 12s key or also below once manualy lowered , thanks
strong forum
Why would it not
neon elk
Honestly no idea , but this is blizz so wanted to double check
strong forum
That would be a serious issue and we would have heard about it before
neon elk
I guess
sharp gale
Yea just wasnt sure if it apply only to 12s key or also below once manualy low...
It is funny bc I just downed my key in 10, there is not the resilient tag
limpid orbit
So after BDK nerf is Prot top dps
strong forum
Time will tell
neon elk
It is funny bc I just downed my key in 10, there is not the resilient tag
For the science, dont time it xd
sharp gale
You are top tank damage if you tank 
strong forum
Or just reset the dungeon
Or actually
Once you start the key, it automatically updates your key
sharp gale
I timed it, I down it again and check
strong forum
If you start the key
And it says +9 on the new stone in your inventory
Then it's a normal key
sharp gale
F
neon elk
See, thats exactly why i asked before , because blizz do make wonders xd
But it might still be just a tooltip error, right ?
sharp gale
But it might still be just a tooltip error, right ?
I downed to 11, launched the key and left, now I have a 10
strong forum
If nobody has done this before or posted about it, I'll annoy someone at wowhead to make a post
sharp gale
There is just no Ā«Ā achievement tagĀ Ā» or whatever for key below 12s I guess
neon elk
I downed to 11, launched the key and left, now I have a 10
Damn thats sad , but thanks for testing it
small steeple
in 12+ without affix buffs and without pulling trash on top of bosses to not sca...
as blood? Hell I had some keys last season where my overall was almost 2m dps.
warm plinth
Yeah i could have saved you from that one @sharp gale š¦ I just saw this now
pallid quiver
If nobody has done this before or posted about it, I'll annoy someone at wowhead...
I didn't check the whole convo, but you're talking about how keys below +12s, if you've already unlocked the floor pevel where it stays at 12, can still depelte if you manually drop, yes? If so, I thought I remember someone saying that was intended behavior. Fucked behavior, but intended
pallid quiver
That would be a serious issue and we would have heard about it before
It's been brought up somewhere before. I don't recall where, but
small steeple
the mobs at the start of priory in a 12 hurt
The knights or Sharpshooters? Both can and do hurt, but prot deals with them pretty well I feel
harsh trellis
the mobs at the start of priory in a 12 hurt
Hey Yam, I just ran a pretty nice run yesterday. The pull changes when you get to a 12.
small steeple
Double knight is scary in 12
harsh trellis
the double knight isn't too bad if you pull it all with the mini boss and hero.
small steeple
This is what I've been doing now that I'm pushing into 12+ territory
harsh trellis
Actually I take back what I said.... I used this route https://keystone.guru/route/priory-of-the-sacred-flame/LDajFMl/yoda-priory/1
We pulled the first pack of trash with the 2 knights. We saved hero.
then we put the mini boss into the corner of stairs with hero and only 1 sharpshooter.
Also check out this video from topicx with his 15. Look at how he goes around the back side once you get to the top.
I want to try his cinderbrew route
everyone goes ipa, and he goes to the bee side for 2nd hero.
strong forum
IPA is the wall tho
round pendant
I've yet to have a successful first pull of mechagon
I'm just double pulling that shit from now on
steady mason
someone pointed out here the other day that front/right/back has only 3 bombs to watch and gets great hero value
it worked well for me in a 12/13
harsh trellis
I'm just double pulling that shit from now on
Carry x2 shaman resto and dps
I like Lock, Shaman, DK (Healer Priest or Shaman) for group comp.
Lock helps with skip at end
limpid orbit
Should I just Sim for damage?
Top prot war is 3400 and top DH is 3600 thatās pretty steep idk
warm plinth
Yes, we sim for damage
warm plinth
Survival is just gameplay + ilevel
unborn island
Prot can definitely do 15s with a good player, with a great player 16/17s
warm plinth
Top prot war is 3400 and top DH is 3600 thatās pretty steep idk
Top prot war is 3576, not 3400.
limpid orbit
Oh
cerulean tusk
Top Fury is what 3590? Pwarr slacking
pallid quiver
Nuh-uh, everything but vdh is garbage, and if you play any other tank you're a stupid and should drink toilet water
Everyone knows that's how it works
small steeple
Nuh-uh, everything but vdh is garbage, and if you play any other tank you're a s...
Not e-girl bath water?
kekw
pallid quiver
only the blessed meta fotm rerollers get the grace of gamer girl bath water
warm plinth
I think there's a case to be made that brew needs love, despite appearances. When you see popularity that low, it usually means the only people playing it are the one tricks
pallid quiver
You have to remember that those people think such a thing would be a blessing
pallid quiver
I think there's a case to be made that brew needs love, despite appearances. Wh...
Brew's needed a non-zero amount of love the whole season tbf
Even with Brew just being unpopular in general, it's been notably.struggling this season
warm plinth
Yeah, I think they got a slight defensive buff recently?
like yesterday or something
small steeple
Will be this next reset
Not huge apparently, but decent. Depends on how the mastery buff is actually implemented
lofty warren
I downed to 11, launched the key and left, now I have a 10
This is illegal once you did 12 isn't it?
strong forum
Resilient only applies to 12 or whatever higher key you unlocked
cerulean tusk
Does dps warrior get invited?
Sure, you get invited as DPS. But you must be ahead of the curve on gear and score for the content
harsh trellis
Does dps warrior get invited?
Yeah, just work your way up. Also Play arms.
limpid orbit
Sure, you get invited as DPS. But you must be ahead of the curve on gear and sco...
Lol
dps warr needs something
Arms is cranking tho right?
small steeple
Sure, you get invited as DPS. But you must be ahead of the curve on gear and sco...
thats how it is for all dps really
rancid tiger
Arms is cranking tho right?
Its crankin in mid tier
limpid orbit
I thought arms did good damage
small steeple
Arms is pretty good sustained aoe and st damage, while Fury is super bursty
And they do good damage. It just doesn't fill a niche really
limpid orbit
Community perception stinks
The issue is I mainly pug so if I play dps I have to like kinda play meta
Tank can get into any key I imagine
Is disrupting shout better than sigil of silence now?
rancid tiger
I thought arms did good damage
It does
strong forum
I thought arms did good damage
In pure ST yes, but as soon as you add more targets, especially spread cleave. It falls off of a cliff
frail oar
hi guys, on Azerokk, am I supposed to kite the empowered add or to tank it ? I was getting destroyed by the bleed just now
rancid tiger
But uhdk does more
strong forum
And this tier is all about spead cleave
rancid tiger
Sondoes rogue ret
strong forum
hi guys, on Azerokk, am I supposed to kite the empowered add or to tank it ? I w...
Hard focus it
graceful kite
hi guys, on Azerokk, am I supposed to kite the empowered add or to tank it ? I w...
kill it
strong forum
Everyone should kill off the big add
graceful kite
it damages your whole group thats the main mechanic
limpid orbit
Dwarf best race for Prot? Or nelf
graceful kite
Everyone should kill off the big add
ive seen you play sudden death instead of show of force, is this a prio damage thing or is it good overall
strong forum
I play sudden death in top and workshop
As there is fuckall aoe in those keys and all about boss dmg
Also play instigate instead of bloodsurge
graceful kite
And they do good damage. It just doesn't fill a niche really
its called target cap
I'm mentally scarred from bdk outdpsing my fury in cinderbrew week 1
strong forum
Fury is "bad" this season because the pulls are too big for it
graceful kite
I dont understand how a hardcapped spec can exist in this year
graceful kite
Isnt vdh uncapped with hero talents
neon elk
Only shame is warr doesnt realy bring anything , and even less if u are prot already
strong forum
Nope
graceful kite
It was with felscarred i think
strong forum
If you play the popular hero tree, you're hard capped to 5 targets
strong forum
Outside of sigils and fel dev
round pendant
dude just sat there and ate a pickaxe from 3rd boss in dfc
neon elk
Happended to me also, its called brainlag i believe
strong forum
Spacing out cuz the boss is insanely mundane
graceful kite
If you play the popular hero tree, you're hard capped to 5 targets
Aggro must be a bitch
neon elk
Iirc they have some issues/ bugs with aggro going on also
strong forum
Cuz they refuse to play spb and/or felscarred
strong forum
Iirc they have some issues/ bugs with aggro going on also
The only singular bug that exists is that reapers glaive doesn't generate threat
graceful kite
Dh always had aggro issues i think
strong forum
Well and that sof doesn't generate threat if it's your very first action to engage combat with the pack
warm plinth
I like spirit bomb but I don't like that they keep trying to make soul cleave a thing at the same time.
graceful kite
as well as starting the pull issues
warm plinth
I would like it better if it was like, spirit bomb replaces soul cleave or something
strong forum
Those 2 are the only threat related bugs they have
neon elk
The only singular bug that exists is that reapers glaive doesn't generate threat
Ive read something about sigils not providing agro when u arent in combat with said mobs , and something not having veng modifier on it . But i dont play vdh so might be just lies..
strong forum
Correct
round pendant
Spacing out cuz the boss is insanely mundane
is that why no one kicked the fear too
twice
I can't even
graceful kite
people fuck up in every level
strong forum
You need a 2 people melee kick rotation for that
graceful kite
shit happens
strong forum
Can't solo kick
round pendant
yeah I'm the only one who kicked š
strong forum
Yeah checks out
round pendant
I'm like oh shit did everyone kick the first one cause pug
graceful kite
I failed a 15 workshop on my priest after I healed drill+gunk fuck up twice
round pendant
and I look and I'm the only one with a kick on cd
graceful kite
because I've spaced out and stopped healing on a 3robot pack with short out
nocturne spindle
the second boss has weird mechanics
graceful kite
press a defensive?
nocturne spindle
where how you light/ blowout candles means less damage
graceful kite
its not weird, you should light up maximum candles and blowout minimum candles
graceful kite
for each failed candle you get a stack
round pendant
fade is 10% so go up 1 key level and it's not enough š¤
graceful kite
fade + flash heal
prayer also
round pendant
ah yeah prayer
graceful kite
can always shield yourself
strong forum
external
graceful kite
its not oracle but its something
strong forum
etc etc
graceful kite
would be like 500k shield
limpid orbit
I feel like Prot has good CC unless Iām bugging
strong forum
it does
round pendant
yep
strong forum
but its not unique
limpid orbit
itās better than VDH now ?
graceful kite
I think vdh is a trap in pugs
limpid orbit
as a tank I wanna carry the stops
strong forum
the sigil nerf doesnt affect real keys
graceful kite
higher skill ceiling more chance to fuck up
graceful kite
idprefer bdk over vdh in a pug
strong forum
real keys as in full-team keys 17+
graceful kite
grip and 100 immunities to power through
strong forum
fully coordinated groups
limpid orbit
a dream
strong forum
is it tho
limpid orbit
idk
graceful kite
what do you carry with stops tho
limpid orbit
Idk less stress for rest of group
Only tank with unique util I feel is BDK and Mainly Prot pally
Bc pally can heal and bless
limpid orbit
but our damage rn is pretty crazy
graceful kite
pally can actually do stops with interrupts
strong forum
tank dmg hasnt mattered in keys since SL
graceful kite
it does for ego
limpid orbit
idk think it helps time
glacial skiff
so, i know colossus is the spec being played most now, however on higher keys do...
Good luck trying to hold threat as thane. My ret paladin and UHDK pull off me so often itās crazy.
Tho it is mostly on pull or as mobs are getting in range of revenge etc.
urban portal
Ofc it helps
round pendant
god how the fuck do I wrangle the little fucks in the first hallway in DFC
people don't want to LoS on the pillars
so we spend like 30 seconds cleaning up the stragglers
graceful kite
I had aggro on them if I had a shaman in party
strong forum
i swear they reset threat halfway through the hallway
toxic pewter
That one of the most unenjoyable hallways I think blizz has ever added in my opinion
round pendant
tbh I feel like DFC is so lenient you can fuck that hallway up royally and still be fine
but it just feels BAD
strong forum
yes
graceful kite
SHit is grouped up, shaman uses ele and 1 or 2 mobs just hit my moonkin
dfc is the worst dungeon of the season
limpid orbit
top is pain
graceful kite
dfc is fucking annoying
graceful kite
rest is whatever
minecart sucks, last boss is dumb
Pull where we reflect and get dps is skipped
round pendant
the minibosses before third boss seem pretty inefficient in dfc too
graceful kite
you skip them
limpid orbit
Do you guys try to fill with physical damage dealers? Or nah
round pendant
yeah top is free but it's just really boring
graceful kite
Do you guys try to fill with physical damage dealers? Or nah
doesnt matter
graceful kite
proper play > optimal buffs
round pendant
you skip them
never once skipped em maybe I should learn that
graceful kite
you go right and jump on stairs from the right side
round pendant
I can't decide if I wanna leap forward, pull shit then go back through the tunnel
at the start
or just pull everything at the start through the tunnel
I've tried both but they're both annoying
toxic pewter
So did they fundamentally change how heroic leap works on the backend or what. I swear I canāt leap as easily as I used to
Has anyone else noticed this
round pendant
I've had some fucky leaps
charred ivy
whats the play 1st mobs in cinderbrew as tank?
arctic hawk
Also had that same question^ feels like Iām pushing every defensive on first pull and still just getting hit like an absolute truck. Any advice?
peak iron
play dwarf
limpid orbit
Do you guys think pally is better than us
strong forum
So did they fundamentally change how heroic leap works on the backend or what. I...
correct
they changed how it requires pathing
and requires line of sight
strong forum
if an obstacle is in the way that would technically block your path
you cant leap over it
toxic pewter
Like Iāve died like 4 times SPAMMING leap
strong forum
even tho you can look over it
toxic pewter
Iām like wtf is going on here
strong forum
ye leap is heavily nerfed compared to legion and bfa
vital vale
I've tried both but they're both annoying
do you take interrupting shout? it's so bis in dfc. in the first pull you go through the tunnel and use it to instantly kick both casters. then you also use it for the trash before 2nd boss and also the trash right after 3rd boss, also for the minibosses pack it's useful, and even on 3rd boss it's an extra oh-shit kick in case for some reason everyone fucks up and no kick available
toxic pewter
Itās actually making things less fun for me
harsh trellis
whats the play 1st mobs in cinderbrew as tank?
Right side big pull. Hero
strong forum
dont pull 2 muscles at once
unless you have the prio dam for it to delete them REAL quick
arctic hawk
play dwarf
Already thereš will remove the dot at like 7-8 stacks
strong forum
sof
harsh trellis
what do I drop for challenging shout
What key are you trying to time?
vital vale
what do I drop for challenging shout
sudden death / 10% revenge dmg
warm plinth
Uh, you have to take challenging shout no? Do you mean Disrupting?
harsh trellis
Ok i wouldn't change anything. Keep your cleave
limpid orbit
Figured everyone ran disrupting no?
harsh trellis
First pull an issue?
strong forum
not at all spoopy
round pendant
Ok i wouldn't change anything. Keep your cleave
I'm pugging so it's annoying when people won't kick the casters
limpid orbit
Seems too strong not too
charred ivy
also do u guys use some WA for keys tankbusters etc? seen quazii had some on hes page he talk about?
limpid orbit
healers stressing
vital vale
by the time you do all dungs on 10/11 you're gonna know by heart when the busters are coming
strong forum
^
limpid orbit
Ayo heās busting on me
round pendant
harsh trellis
I'm pugging so it's annoying when people won't kick the casters
When I pug. And I'm pulling dfc to start. I pull everything into the doorway. Forget what's on the other side. If dps is pumping. You can mosey your way back into the shit that's listed in keystone guru as the "first pull"
limpid orbit
So from a pure utility standpoint - Paladin got us in a choke hold right?
charred ivy
never used WAs for it but figured you guys using WAs? xD
harsh trellis
You don't have to get everything.
For dfc. Stay to the left and don't cross midline
harsh trellis
Don't let the knockback mobs knock shit into the right side
round pendant
I mean I was doing this
it's fine just annoying when people don't kick those two casters on the right
harsh trellis
This is killing your time
That's a bad pull
Cut your 2 in half. Leave the right side of that hallway alone
round pendant
where do I make up the count š¤
room before 2nd boss?
guess I gotta clear that whole room?
round pendant
since I wanna skip the minibosses too
harsh trellis
I don't skip mini bosses before candle
round pendant
nah I mean before 3rd boss
vital vale
if you skip minibosses take an extra group after 1st boss, once you jump down
harsh trellis
That's easier than right side of your hallway on first pull
vital vale
but yeah skipping minibosses rarely works in pugs unless you got lock
limpid orbit
Good thing demo is BUSSING
vital vale
someone always fucks up the jump
harsh trellis
Omg looking at ksg. There are tons of people who hate themselves
In dfc
@round pendant https://keystone.guru/pLS3ewc
This works perfectly on a 12
round pendant
my fucking god
we wiped on first boss
I GIVE UP
people getting run over by carts in 12s
harsh trellis
I GIVE UP
Take a break you'll go insane
I took 2 vacation days to try to time a 12 cinderbrew back to back non stop
arctic hawk
it's my second attempt
If it makes you feel better I bricked cinderbrew on a 10 st least 12 times in a rowš
round pendant
I've bricked like
2 10s
and 1 11
trying to move up to 12s but it's so weird
the average player is so much worse in these
I guess everyone's stuck here cause of how easy 10s and 11s are
harsh trellis
the average player is so much worse in these
Because i think a lot of them are 2 chesting 10s
peak iron
people who are just now getting to 10s for rio are not good players correct
harsh trellis
Also be selective with your high keys if you get into a group and you see a someone under 2800 second guess that pick.
There are those random pug dks that do ungodly amounts of dmg at 2400 io
It's rare
tame basin
Just back to the land of prot warrior. what trinkets we looking for. trying to farm tome but is it really that good?
harsh trellis
Yep
peak iron
its very good yeah
tame basin
got floodgate one already.... one run one trinket lol
stuck with Viscera atm from top
round pendant
yeah tome is good
rocky crest
Just did a 13 priory, felt so choppy. "self healing only 600k, am I spamming IP too little or ?
shield block 89% might be that tbh
round pendant
how sketchy is this pull
round pendant
Just did a 13 priory, felt so choppy. "self healing only 600k, am I spamming IP...
got a log?
rocky crest
nah, my pc is shit as it is. getting new parts soon
I was wondering what your selfheal normally lands on
tame basin
Do we move away from Circlet early on for the extra stats?
round pendant
sim it
slender bison
how sketchy is this pull
It's a good pull, got pillar for LoS, but the candle mobs won't overlap AoE (like Paladins in Priory)
I always do it
You wipe only of dps gets bonked
round pendant
You can los that aoe?
harsh trellis
how sketchy is this pull
The 3 big guys kill time on target
dense hazel
Hi there! back to tanking, why tanks are not going on vers stat this season? Also wich are best stats
harsh trellis
Hi there! back to tanking, why tanks are not going on vers stat this season? Als...
check out the pins and or the wowhead article on prot š
rich marten
After playing season 2 m+ for a couple weeks
idle copper
anyone know the interact macro?
graceful kite
anyone know the interact macro?
its a button, you can bind it in options menu
strong forum
That is also in keybind options
Also that is not the interact button
That's the ExtraActionButton
The one that pops up
Like bombs on gallywix
warm plinth
Facts don't matter Nome.
crisp ocean
Can I macro spear and ravager ?
Also I feel like Iām taking way too much damage, but Iām keeping up with my defenses would there be another issue ?
neon elk
Cant say without logs , are u geting hit into back? Maybe just some special ocasion?
As for macro, u mean as together ? If yes then u can in theory but u will still need to press it twice , i wouldnt do that tho .
limpid orbit
which embelishments strictly for M+ ?
double vers or ascendance?
or blessed wep grip?
or none of the aboce
crisp ocean
Cant say without logs , are u geting hit into back? Maybe just some special oc...
I have 4% vers would that be an issue
neon elk
Idk how "bad' ascend is , but overal embelishemnts arent realy important
neon elk
I have 4% vers would that be an issue
Perfectly fine , u would ne like 40% more perfcent to somehow feel vels DR , if u are taking too much dmg it has nothing to do with stats as long as u have enough haste to maintain Sb
crisp ocean
Perfectly fine , u would ne like 40% more perfcent to somehow feel vels DR , if...
Iāll try to get logs then
neon elk
im assuming double crit is fine
I play crit cuz at the time i was crafting it simmed better and im lazy to recraft for that only
crisp ocean
Tysm
strong forum
Can I macro spear and ravager ?
You can't macro 2 gcds into the same macro
Has to be either a cast sequence macro or a modifier macro, which is the same as 2 keybinds
lusty grotto
I have 4% vers would that be an issue
no
idle copper
That's the ExtraActionButton
Thank you - this is the one i ment sorry
idle copper
Facts don't matter Nome.
its almost as if someone could be confused
warm plinth
It wasn't intended to be a slight. I was just making a dumb comment on what Nome said.
lofty warren
The prophecy has been foretold pwar 2nd best tank. Time to dust off the s1 pwar that was left at 633 ilvl
Is mt still best or do I have to rage starved as colassass
urban portal
Look at his profile
graceful kite
I mean he only plays with like 8 specs
So why not just slam everything in the same tier who cares
small steeple
pepaga back at it following tierlist
sharp gale
brm bad????
Idk according to my letters ranking tierlist there is nothing bad in this screen except Aug
solid sun
Does bear still have that button that practically makes them immortal? Incarn or whatever
sharp gale
Yes itās incarnation
solid sun
How come they never matter? Seems like a pretty good button to have lol
sharp gale
Because only 1 tank is meta
The others donāt matter except the meta tank every season
errant spire
at a high enough level, its not about the tank staying alive, and its more about what the tank does for the team
obv staying alive is a fundamental requirement tho lol
solid sun
Incarn seems like the type of thing that can enable some shenanigans
Just turning off the tank dying sounds sick. Guess it doesnāt apply to the rest of the group though
urban portal
Incarn seems like the type of thing that can enable some shenanigans
The bottleneck is dps living
Not tank
errant spire
being immortal means you can pull bigger yes, but your party members will die
round cliff
Idk according to my letters ranking tierlist there is nothing bad in this screen...
idk that tier list reads to me as over half the specs being unviable trash
urban portal
Thereās a time when dps had to run tank trinkets
round cliff
i will factor this into my groups
and ill make sure to insult anyone who dares apply to my groups with a low tier
i wanna try guardian tho
chilly brook
Time to run my head into the next wall of getting invited to 15s
solid sun
Show off
chilly brook
brother you can be better than me š
solid sun
The squad and I got our shit rocked in an 11 priory
chilly brook
plenty of others are
just gotta believe in yourself and push it
Also honestly, NE>Dorf
chilly brook
All my tanks have somehow found their way to NE lmao
I gotta get to 3200 today now that I'm only 25 points away
chilly brook
I assume like 12-16?
sharp gale
You gain 120 points from upping all keys (without taking time left bonus points)
chilly brook
yeah it's 14.5 give or take if I went from a 14 floodgate to a 15
lusty grotto
i fucking hate cauldron
such a shit fight
especially with 10 melee that panic move
fuck my life
round cliff
i love cauldron tbh ..
lusty grotto
no with 10 melee you dont
vivid lantern
Is thane much more tanky? Iām trying 14s and I really struggle with 1st pull in meadery.
I was thinking to try thane, I think it is 300-400k dps less overall right?
Or is it worth me just pulling 1 less pack and staying colossus?
round cliff
a
lusty grotto
more like 700k less dps
vivid lantern
I think it doesnāt help when my dps try and get the jump while Iām grouping. They trying to be best dps.
lusty grotto
thane defensiveness is more passive, so its easier to manage, you have to use your cds as colossus
properly played colossus is similar in "tankiness"
vivid lantern
I find I struggle when my dps pull agro at the start.
lusty grotto
I think it doesnāt help when my dps try and get the jump while Iām grouping. The...
let them die, dont stress over it
use troar and crackling
round cliff
thane defensiveness is more passive, so its easier to manage, you have to use yo...
i think i panic shield wall too much tbh
ill be grouping and ill press shield wall and then ill be like oop it's running out ill use my other shield wall and then stuff still isn't dead
idk if dps issue or if im supposed to space em out
round cliff
yea but then it runs out and ive still got 4 packs gathered and i get beat to death
that was before i upgraded my shield tho maybe
may just be traumatized from past experience
lusty grotto
yeah probs
stray sonnet
these any good for prot?
torn gulch
lunar dirge
What combo would you recommend on prot ?
I really like Tome so I guess, its down to eye or pacemaker
sharp gale
What combo would you recommend on prot ?
Which content you do
lunar dirge
Which content you do
right now I am trying to "push" keys
sharp gale
Eye is unusable in keys
vivid sinew
The two highest ilvl. If the same first pair for m+ and second pair for raid bosses.
lunar dirge
kk thx
vivid sinew
imo
sharp gale
Yeah eye for raid bosses over 4-5 min imo
lunar dirge
I am dps in raid, just recently I swaped to prot, since I wanted to game end myself from fury and 5 target cap.
lusty grotto
I really like Tome so I guess, its down to eye or pacemaker
tome and pace
unless you know how to manage kezan, youre not gonna have a good time with it
kezan might edge up on priory and idk Cinder/DFC
if you can keep the pulls going
lunar dirge
Yeh, like I tried eye few times, Its playable, but if you have to do skip, or have assa rogue, or rps etc.
Just not worth it I guess.
lunar dirge
I am usually lucky with trinkets, weapons on the other hand....
lusty grotto
i guess youre new
ive done 44 priories
so far and 0 tomes
we've gotten 0 good trinkets from raid
just one kezan
it be like that
warm plinth
Just loot one 4Head
chilly brook
What combo would you recommend on prot ?
dependent on dungeon, I wouldn't run eye in ToP for example but would run it with seaforium in like DFC
stray sonnet
these any good for prot in m+?
stray sonnet
i had champion wrist and i only did one m+ vault so i had to i guess
sharp gale
I still take the socket in that world
warm plinth
these any good for prot in m+?
Not sure if they have scaled accordingly but back when they were new, they were approximately equivalent to same ilevel bracers in single target, but worse in aoe
Assuming you used them on CD
limpid orbit
no issues sending a neck after i have my sword and shield right?
warm plinth
nope, do your thing
sharp gale
I crafted shield+neck + ring personally / still have 1 spark, I wait next week crests (I dropped wep in second or third vault)
limpid orbit
im doing neck so i dont need to farm
lusty grotto
these any good for prot in m+?
no
limpid orbit
is 2% vers too low
lusty grotto
no
limpid orbit
nice
tacit smelt
GOD IS REAL
tacit smelt
i'm sorry nim
tacit smelt
I didnt expect it to drop in this resil 14 so it was so far outta my radar
lusty grotto
what the fuck is a resil
i keep seeing it
im so out of the loop
and the guy that posts it is ALWAYS a boomkin
and puts "only catgirls" or some shit on the group finder
tacit smelt
._.
lusty grotto
im serious, i dont know what it is
tacit smelt
Key doesnt deplete past that level
lusty grotto
ok i was aware of it but
i didnt know it was called a resil
it was the same guy the entire week posting priories
tacit smelt
Tome WA not in pins?
lusty grotto
there's no such thing
well
there's way too many in wago to just pick one and pin it
just get whatever looks best for your UI
tacit smelt
aight
lusty grotto
most trinket trackers will do anyway
pallid quiver
hey, hey nim
you should tank my +11 floodgate so i can pretend to know how to arms war again
lusty grotto
i can in a bit
pallid quiver
hot damn, i should upgrade my arms wep
pallid quiver
cool ty for being scrolled up Discord š
it's so funny just seeing the middle of a convo from 12 hours ago
pallid quiver
i can in a bit
Do you happen to have an estimate as to how long? We've got other keys we can hit in the meantime if you'll be longer than a dungo run
lusty grotto
5 mins
peak iron
whats the highest key you guys think you could tank without pressing shield block at all
oak ivy
if you decide to be a freak and go Crit/Mast, probably decently high
lusty grotto
have to be high mast yea
sharp gale
whats the highest key you guys think you could tank without pressing shield bloc...
Challenge accepted
Is it fort week ?
In 7s?
ruby musk
sharp gale
Itās without any form of shield block right ?
No last stand or shield charge shield block
sharp gale
Im going further, with no shield block at all then
ExƩcute at 35% gonna be so good 
Bc itās will be easy with SC I just take HR, press shield charge and the pack is dead before I drop shield block
sharp gale
what do you think i take with my point
i'm gonna thane bc i think i will need to press on IP a lot
peak iron
Challenge accepted
love it, lmk how it goes
sharp gale
i chose theater bc low mobs packs / no 7-8-9 at 7 am
jagged gust
I'd think some cleaning up in the class tree, drop a bit of group utility
second wind might actually get some value
sharp gale
L dps, but it was useless in 6, no damage
i will take out bsv and try a 10, what do you think i take ?
slender bison
Well, it's morning. Time to queue for some 14s before the VDHs wake up
sharp gale
i'll take SoF
vital vale
hey i dont log anything but apparently i do have stats in warcraftlogs for season 2. is it because puggers in my groups log and upload it?
lusty grotto
correct
vital vale
and if so, then do they only log the successful runs and creating a positive bias to the results?
lusty grotto
also leaderboard data
vital vale
blizz's leaderboard?
vital vale
ait
and my score is based globally or only based on people on same ilvl as me and in same key range?
vital vale
oh you mean on the right side
lusty grotto
the rest is self explanatory as it says
vital vale
the leaderboard ones are less accurate measure i assume
lusty grotto
theres no log data there
so no dps
if its WCL its ranked based on key level if anything
vital vale
warcraftlogs yeah
vital vale
well im pretty happy with the numbers its showing me considering its my second season tanking and first one tanking above 10s
maybe i should start logging
vital vale
yeah i get that
i mean half of it is logs
just not my logs
well like a third of it is logs
im only now getting into the season as arms too, since my queue time is instant to 10s with 3k score lol
the only reason i started tanking is due to 1 hour wait time until i got into a key in the first place
but yeah dps isnt as easy as we give it credit for
as a tank theres a ton of little mistakes you can afford to do like standing in a puddle, no big deal
but as dps you just die
lusty grotto
i disagree
vital vale
tho to be fair if you die as dps its usually not a big deal under 12s
vital vale
dps is more chill for sure
mainly cus you dont have to plan ahead and prepare for so much
you just plan when to use cds and if you can get it back in time for a big pull
but you really gotta lock in sometimes in order to do optimal rotation and also avoid all the bad shit and interrupts you gotta do
at least i do
where as a tank i can hold a conversation and still tank no problem
lusty grotto
maybe youre just inexperienced as dps
cause i have it the other way around
i can shotcall EVERYTHING as dps
vital vale
in dungeons i guess i am rusty since i didnt really dps high keys in tww
lusty grotto
its a lot more difficult as a tank
vital vale
i miss bfa arms tho, two buttons, warbreaker -> bladestorm = top dps
arms would be so much better if slam didnt need to be bound, i hate this button lmao
lusty grotto
well, i agree that Arms is pretty loaded into what you need to track
vital vale
it is a bit loaded but also feels rng sometimes
mainly with cleave resets
sometimes you get 5 cleaves in a row
lusty grotto
Collateral tracking, OP resets etc
vital vale
sometimes no resets
lusty grotto
but you can top meters with just cleave spam
vital vale
aye its fun
when it happens
i even do blitz and sometimes i get 5 mortal strike resets in a row and i feel kinda bad for the poor guy i just deleted
jagged gust
sometimes you get 5 cleaves in a row
Sometimes I'll slam 3 times in a row and cry to myself a little
merry sluice
why is it
everytime i get one u guys in the wild
i get the absolutely most...
unique... specimens
lusty grotto
same reason why most ret paladins are idiots
lusty grotto
im not sure what you expect asking here
if those players are in here
they are informed
but people that join class discords are a very minimal percent of the entire player pool
merry sluice
if i've learned anything from the class discords
a lot of people will stya uninformed in here
lusty grotto
or class pool
snow estuary
I havent tanked as prot in a while and am wondering for higher mythic+, +16 and higher, if its better to go crit or vers after haste?
limber galleon
so I have weapon and shield both crafted at 658. I finally have the gilded crests for an upgrade, should I do the weapon or shield first? does it matter?
lusty grotto
shield
limber galleon
ok thank you
cerulean tusk
everytime i get one u guys in the wild
Why you call me out like that?
Mods ban him
zealous goblet
if you're pushing keys
help me understand something
why is colossus viewed so favorably this season?
if they're not taking indom, and they have less rage income than thane, so less ignore pains, and they drop thunder clap below revenge in rotations
where the fuck is the mitigation coming from?
where's the survivability?
round pendant
Anyone had an issue where they can't list a group?
I click the button and nothing happens
zealous goblet
*just a few things to point at what i'm talking about
the whole "feedback loop" seems.. lessened by dropping thunderclap down a rotation and stuff
round pendant
Don't need to mitigate if the mobs are dead
Warrior's base toolkit is just fundamentally good enough
and colossus does big dam
zealous goblet
it did big enough dam last season, no?
i'm not trying to justify a playstyle or challenge the meta, just a reminder, i'm just specifically confused on what it took for this sentiment to change so much
round pendant
Thane got nerfed and Colossus got buffed
Someone else could elaborate more, my memory is awful
graceful kite
why is colossus viewed so favorably this season?
More damage
graceful kite
it did big enough dam last season, no?
All 4 tanks who play big keys and stream and by that create community perception didnt know it/didnt care cuz pala had more damage in .5
I think people really confuse rwf meta calculation where people actually have analysts and do heavy research with just a guy in his room checking out douyin or bilibili for hidden meta ideas
round pendant
at the end of the day
if the spec can live then the only thing that matters is more dam
and I don't see thane being able to get an extra key level on colossus
š¤·āāļø
jolly swift
i am guessing disrupting shout is the play on the higher keys?
also i am comparing my logs to https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Rm2Lxjc9rD1wKA74?fight=3&type=casts&source=4
he has a lot more TC's then me, seems like i spam revenge more
is TC for more then keeping up rend?
actually my rend damage is pretty low hmm
round pendant
i am guessing disrupting shout is the play on the higher keys?
nah
the play is to have a group who kick properly
but you can take it ig, it's good on rookery for the triple caster pack
round pendant
is TC for more then keeping up rend?
You only press TC when SS is on CD and you don't have enough rage for revenge
lethal beacon
Whatās the best way to gather a big pull? In M+?
jolly swift
for example i am low on shield block so got to fix that
lethal beacon
Charge first mob; thunder clap; hop to second; revenge/thunder clap; charge to third mob?
jolly swift
Charge first mob; thunder clap; hop to second; revenge/thunder clap; charge to t...
shield charge in as well
round pendant
Your rend uptime is bad so just make sure to reapply it
SB is just press your SS and Shield Charge as much as possible
jolly swift
yeah i think i need to get something that tracks it better
round pendant
I have a wa play a sound effect when it's low on my target
lethal beacon
shield charge in as well
Thank you!
round pendant
or just set your tclap to glow when it's low
lethal beacon
I have a wa play a sound effect when it's low on my target
Can you link it
jolly swift
got a sneaky link please š
round pendant
not really, I made it myself
lethal beacon
or just set your tclap to glow when it's low
Or this lol
jolly swift
ah no worries
lethal beacon
I ran two +10ās last night. (I usually DPS) and it was surprisingly smooth
lethal beacon
Yep! First time tanking lol
jolly swift
good place to start
round pendant
also Rhinos your IP usage is super low
round pendant
and you wasted like 12% of your overall rage
jolly swift
do you try to refresh it so it keeps the stacks you built?
round pendant
just make sure to press IP when you're ~80 rage
lethal beacon
Yan, whatās your warriors name?
round pendant
do you try to refresh it so it keeps the stacks you built?
Yeah I pretty much just press it to prevent it from dropping (or to prevent overcapping, mostly during ravager)
lethal beacon
Whatās ip?
round pendant
Ignore Pain
jolly swift
ignore pain
lethal beacon
Ok
jolly swift
how do you check overcapped rage?
round pendant
Resources > Rage
jolly swift
ty
round pendant
Yan, whatās your warriors name?
I wouldn't look to me for inspiration
check out Sense's logs
(and his videos)
jolly swift
oh nice was strugging to fine people doing prot videos
lol watching his latest rookery and out of nowhere tettles yapping
clever barn
Does anyone who pays more attention to me know why yoda switches between colossus and thane for different keys? Looking at the top rated chinese warriors they seem to run the same spec and talents regardless of key and keylvl (colossus)
cerulean tusk
Probably cause fun and stream content?
karmic plinth
clever barn
ok i see
balmy oasis
I find 2nd last boss in ML really hard in higher keys. low rage generation because we dont get hit and heavy damage
anyone got any pointers
unborn island
Spell block at the start, spell reflect in between the propellant casts, shield wall (s) after the 3rd propellant cast until she goes back to it
Repeat
Wait sorry
I'm talking about third, load of nonsense
You do get hit on the 2nd boss, by both the boss and the big add
DPS need to be burning the big add asap otherwise the bleed trucks you
If your stacks get high, use wall/dwarf
balmy oasis
ho im taling about the gnome boss
unborn island
Ah the third one, in which case yeah, my first comment is right
It's all magic damage so you'll get trucked and just need to play through cd's
But that should work just fine
balmy oasis
omg i thought it was auto attack
balmy oasis
How do you guys in general know why much magic dmg u are taking. i find it hard to know
unborn island
Erm, for that boss in particular I think I learned it in BFA, but there's a lot of resources on here - the sense spreadsheet in the pins is quite a good source for which boss abilities etc truck you
And whether spell reflect/block work on them
balmy oasis
thanks ā¤ļø Appreciated!
unborn island
In general as well, if you've got block up and something is absolutely trucking you, it's probably magic or a bleed, and with bleeds you'll see the debuff
mystic radish
I feel like I lack a huge belt as tank and its hard for me to properly gather big pulls when not everyone is LOSing. Any Tips how to talent into disrupting shout for higher keys? I have been using the Archon and wowhead talents so far. But it feels at 14+ its quiet hard compared to other tank specs
Checking WCL its quiet hard because everyone got their favorite playstyle š some with ravager some without, some with Fueled by violence ... and so on.
timber nest
feelsweird that House of Cards is our best simming trinket?
bold ginkgo
How do you guys in general know why much magic dmg u are taking. i find it hard ...
I find this weak aura useful for that
timber nest
hey! if i want to use scrapfield, and i have pacemaker and House of cards, what would be your second choice?
limpid orbit
we replace cryce's?
hardy snow
hey! if i want to use scrapfield, and i have pacemaker and House of cards, what ...
If you really insist on using scrapfield, I think its better to stay with house of cards, but trully both of your current trinkets are better than scrapfield.
It's absorb is weak and haste procs are low.
unborn island
I feel like I lack a huge belt as tank and its hard for me to properly gather bi...
I don't see why gathering is any different in higher keys? At least I don't do it any differently in 14/15s really and I've been doing mostly the same sized pulls since I was doing like...8s or something
I only take disrupting should for a handful of keys (DFC, Mechagon in particular) and drop show of force for it - but there are many tanks much better than me š