protection

[supple plinth]

Yea I know that one, just was checking if someone has some extra know how, big reflects are fun

Yea I usually pop large defs there on parts where she is auto attacking, or dump tons of rage into ignore pain, still hurts tho, it is annoying boss

[round pendant]

It's all spell damage so shield block is only useful for the extra SS damage

use spell block and spell reflect and defensives

boss just hurts

[slender bison]

Boss has auto attack FIRE damage. No physical. Use defensives

[round pendant]

she doesn't hit that frequently tho so

[slender bison]

Spell Reflect for 25% DR

[slender bison]

2-3 unmitigated hits are enough to bag you

Especially of healer is unaware of tank buster auto attack

[karmic stream]

what talent would give more dps for m+, show of force or focused vigor?

[jagged pier]

Focused vigor by a mile

But thats not a choice they are in diferent brackets of talents

so it shouldnt be one or the other

[karmic stream]

kay

[round pendant]

10s feel like last seasons 8s ngl

[graceful kite]

Cuz they are, scaling is changed

[round pendant]

so 12s are like s1 10s?

I haven't actually done a 12 yet since my friends hardly play

and I don't play alone

[graceful kite]

Dunno

I did 10s and i thought hmm probably higher keys would hurt

But it honestly feels like 10-14 range does same tank damage

You drop hp in some runs but its when you have a noticeably not a good healer

I picked bsv to not care about that and chill (and not play warrior because i have a disc alt and people really prefer disc over pwar)

[round pendant]

Yeah idk 10s feel like they tickle

sometimes I get chunked for like 30%

[wintry nymph]

10's feel kinda easy indeed, have barely tanked at all this season

went in

with a meh healer

and still was kinda ez

[meager needle]

hello folks.
What do you sim for dungeon slice or patchwork. ?
looking for 4th Crafterd piece, and can't decide between neck and belt.

[pallid quiver]

holy fuck dude i wasn't expecting to see talk about cotw here

don't forget they also added some real life DJ dude, too

who also animates like ass

[slender bison]

Actually easier since everyone plays instead of chasing affix balls and whatnot

[round pendant]

yeah that's what I was thinking

so many awkward moments in 10s/11s cause of people fucking up the affixes

[round pendant]

I was looking forward to trying fatal fury (never played it before) and then they killed all interest I had in the game

saudi slop

😔

[pallid quiver]

It was funny with just Cristiano to me

then it became "okay snk, this isn't funny anymore"

[round pendant]

Cristiano was like

alright I get it, he's like super famous

don't really like real-life people in my games but I'll allow it

goofy cameo why not

[slender bison]

And for 12s you need to replan your pulls. For example 2 pyro packs in cinder will kill you

Or ToP rhino/hammer smash overlap

[round pendant]

There's no way 2 pyro packs kills you

[slender bison]

The 678 shield I got helps a ton. Wanna break into 14s but get insta decline cuz I'm not a VDH

And too lazy to org my key

Or I get invite and I don't have MDI route add-on and get kicked

[round pendant]

doing M+ on alts is fucking miserable rn

No one is doing keys below 10

[torn gulch]

Is that eu or us because on my tank alts I never have problems farmin 7 8s for gear and crests

[round pendant]

yeah cause you're a tank

shoulda specified dps

[torn gulch]

Ok makes sense then

[sharp gale]

And the groups in 10s

Im witnessing true horrors on my Druid

[clever hazel]

with 14-15mil HP hp pots feel useless, would getting using the tinker potion socket be any use, even to help with healer affix?

[lilac widget]

is ascendance not at all useful for prot?

[fast oracle]

do we hit a point where we have enough haste?

[round pendant]

haste always good

[fast oracle]

I feel like I could probably throw a few points into other stats at the expense of a bit of haste

[round pendant]

how much haste do you have

[fast oracle]

24,434 / 45%

[round pendant]

I mean yeah you could drop some

but for what

[fast oracle]

vers would probably have the best return. only 6%

[round pendant]

meh

[graceful kite]

once it doesnt sim highest

[round pendant]

Yeah just sim

[fast oracle]

sims only show damage though

[elder tinsel]

Do stats

[graceful kite]

you're doing stats for damage

[elder tinsel]

Ive found, personally, its at roughly 30-35%

Haste is mainly for SB uptime so just check to see if it goes any lower after getting like 30-35% haste

[fast oracle]

Mr Robot is telling me to drop haste for vers/mast

[graceful kite]

sure why not

haste is for ss resets

you get more damage > get more rage > get more defensives

[elder tinsel]

Then uh, once again, just sim

[graceful kite]

fuck dfc btw worst dungeon in the game rn

I hate first hallway its so fucking annoying

[solid sun]

@sharp gale I can use metric and say something besides soccer. Will that merge our regions

[graceful kite]

no matter how you do it its annoying

[sharp gale]

Maybe one day

For the first hallway of DfC idk, I just Los in the first room

[elder tinsel]

Ive found just using the los points on pillars makes it pretty easy and less annoying

[graceful kite]

everyone needs to los

[elder tinsel]

Indeed, idk if you use it, but MOST pugs listen to pings if you spam em enough

Not saying everyone does though, Most dps pugs its just kinda "zug zug"

[graceful kite]

and there's always someone who doesnt care, some moonkin will typhoon casters away for no reason, shaman will place an elemental so trash will stack to get knocked away from the pillar

can it be done - yeah easily i did it

[sharp gale]

If your group can follow a call you can even kill packs with the boss carts

[graceful kite]

does it suck is it annoying is it a horrible experience

also yes

[solid sun]

When is all that required

The timer is pretty forgiving in ol candle cave

[graceful kite]

that hallway feels annoying to play so its a bad design

Kind of struggling to go above 2m dps now btw

[elder tinsel]

His point wasnt that it was hard to time, just that it was annoying to gather or keep gathered

[graceful kite]

Tho my gear is trash

[round pendant]

yeah first area of DFC just feels like shit

[elder tinsel]

Especially when other tanks have stuff like aoe grip, aoe range slience, etc etc

[round pendant]

Hallway in rookery feels awful too

rest of the dungeon pool is quite nice tho

[graceful kite]

before nerf 3m was a possibility now its just a dream but it was only 15%

[round pendant]

15% is a lot

[sharp gale]

I just stay in the bump and I mass stun + charge back

[solid sun]

If you’re doing massive pulls yeah. My point is that the timer is lenient enough you can do smaller pulls at the beginning and it isn’t so annoying and still time it. At least to a certain point

[elder tinsel]

I ahve to use my stun because people dont interrupt :}

[graceful kite]

its still annoying

[round pendant]

I do this on DFC

feel like I can pull biggerer tho

[solid sun]

I kill the whole hallway so I can skip the stuff before candle king

[elder tinsel]

Could probably grab some of the 2 pull, the casters, in that pull

and los

assuming everyone does or you have an unholy dk, ofc

[sharp gale]

I do first pack + two next /los in first room, then the 2 big guys together with the little shitters

[round pendant]

it's just a pita los-ing all that way back

might try it tho

[sharp gale]

I just leap taunt / throw and charge back / intervene someone

[supple plinth]

Or use, spear, it's great for countering that large knock back that sends mobs flying everywhere

[graceful kite]

if they dont die fast they're a problem

they spam a lot

if you have a ranged comp you will run out of cc

you can hard cc 1 and pull another on first pull

[sharp gale]

I got spear in mind but since I only do 1 pull with the dangerous bump idc tbh

[graceful kite]

that one is actually very nice

[round pendant]

I wish it was nice

[graceful kite]

most damage is easily avoidable

[round pendant]

the DoT just kills people

healer issue?

[graceful kite]

mm

it shouldnt

basically you can run away from void crush leaping guy

and with arrow circle you los behind a pillar

all thats left is rot damage and its easy to heal

[solid sun]

What’s arrow circle

[graceful kite]

circle with an arrow on top of your character

[solid sun]

Oh the big thing we spell reflect

[graceful kite]

this thing

[vocal pewter]

does having really low verse hurt in bigger keys?

[round pendant]

nah

[graceful kite]

vers REALLY matters if you get oneshot

[vocal pewter]

yeah, never haha

[graceful kite]

all stats have defensive benefits

[solid sun]

I’ve been really burned out this week

Everytime I consider doing dungeons I can’t force it and log on to an alt and do crafting stuff

This season, with so many people pushing higher than 10s and some even higher than 12’s that I’d never have suspected, the usual squad has been exposed

My dps friends are equipped with wet noodles

[thorny stone]

Thats, theorically, a frontal

[round pendant]

every time I try to pull big in rookery

like double diffusers

people drop like flies

[solid sun]

I think that dungeon is primarily all double pulls

[round pendant]

yeah it's just this part, people be dying

[solid sun]

Don’t pull the sleeping one with the rest in 8

And the double pull that’s left over in 8 is a lust pull

[round pendant]

so if we're too fast I gotta single pull em?

[solid sun]

Are you lusting the very first pull before flying over to the first boss arena?

[crisp crown]

What do i change if i want to play the battle scarred veteran talent?

[round pendant]

if I don't pull that crusher idk where to get the count

I guess I can pull that huge pack of civilians

[round pendant]

yeah but I've only done it in a 10 so ig in a 12 lust timing is fine

been like 2 minutes early before

[solid sun]

First pull of the dungeon is a side pack plus the middle where the mini boss is

And then the sleeping dude gets pulled with the stuff before it

Leaving your pull 8 as just the double pull

Well, I mean, that’s how I do it anyways. It’s not like an absolute truth or anything

[round pendant]

ah fair

I mean I've seen some groups just single pull each pack in the 7th pull

or well, patrol + first diffuser group, then second diffuser + sleeping boi

[solid sun]

I skip everything when you jump down with the feather until the patrolling pack

I pull that patrol with the first pack

[round pendant]

I think I might do that because no lust double diffuser is rough

[solid sun]

Yeah the dudes right there where you land, I think there’s two packs there? I skip em

It’s big yuck times over there

[crisp crown]

@round pendant do u pug or with a full group? if u play with a group some people use invis pots the skip the long hallway adds ( the part after the first boss where u jump down )

[round pendant]

I play with 1-3 people usually so most of the time it's mostly puggers

[crisp crown]

i havent tried the route above yet so not sure btw

[elder tinsel]

I do this for count

[crisp crown]

just requires invis pots and umbrella

[elder tinsel]

pretty easy and you can lust in the beginning to put on cd

[crisp crown]

you can also pull pack on the left in first pull

its not alot of grp dmg

[elder tinsel]

^ with the invis pots ye

hallway sucks

[solid sun]

I don’t use invis pots with pugs

[crisp crown]

its such an annoying pull 😛

[elder tinsel]

Pugs make me feel like I have to baby proof routes, and it feels bad sometimes

[round pendant]

I think I'll just do this next time

just avoiding non-lust double diffuser

I'm only interested in doing 12/13 at most anyway

[elder tinsel]

That's probably the safest Pug route, without having others use pots or something

[round pendant]

yeah last night we wiped on the double diffuser and I just reset and single pulled em and we still timed it np

[elder tinsel]

Pull 9 might be a little rough, depending on the healer

[round pendant]

but obv in a 12 that woulda been a brick

[unborn island]

If you add the sleeping crusher to pull 8, you can ignore the double crushers in pull12

But depends what your healer wants, some might prefer double crushers with the big dude, some might prefer triple +diffuser

[elder tinsel]

Could kill one crusher, then pull the second. by the time that packs done, that other crusher should be half way, if not a quarter till dead and could lead that into pull 9 as well

Those arcing blasts are a pain in the ass with the other casts though. Especially if no interrupts go out for the oracles

[wintry nymph]

hm haste recommended for into the fray?

[neon elk]

Around 18k , lower if u have 4pc

[tribal wharf]

New warcraft cutscene dropped.

[wintry nymph]

aigt ty

[cerulean burrow]

not sure if anyone replied to you or not; you can get a flex point for BSV from ravager or battering ram so pick ur poison

personally i rock something akin to this but i know there are quite a few ravager enjoyers in this discord and its certainly not bad the ability slaps and rage gen is very nice (youll hear conflicting opinions in regards to thunderlords as well and you can either take it or leave it its not super make or break ive personally just been experimenting with it)

[neon elk]

Damn droping both ravager and ram looks sadge

[solid sun]

I have strong opinions about this talent tree

[cerulean burrow]

yeah im basically just taking another point off of the endcaps for interrupt shout cuz i personally fuck with it then point for BSV and then point where show of force is is just moved over

[pallid quiver]

grabbing bloodsurge, but not taking ravager, is certainly a decision

Since if you're taking bloodsurge, you're specifically saying "I plan on spending most of my time in very large pulls", where Ravager shines very high, since it gives you the initial burst rage to stabilize at the start of a pull.

so that tree is just flawed on what you even want to do on that end

(For the record, Instigate is more rage on 4 or less targets, and is generally equal on 5 targets for rage gen)

(So bloodsurge is only better on 6+ targets)

[neon elk]

Also its kinda you do you but u sure u need thunderlord ( for whatever purpose it might serve as colo) on top of bsv ?

[cerulean burrow]

yeah going instigate without battering ram just kinda feels bad not gonna lie

and i mean i could prob get away without thunderlord but i do end up hitting thunderclap on cd for rage gen and having demoralizing shout up more and mashing it on cd feels pretty good

unless im rage dumping obv for revenge, or i have a shield slam proc, or any of the other if else > before tclap

[slender bison]

Make momma proud

[graceful kite]

ravager

why arent you playing indomitable?

[steady mason]

imo its a great flex talent to pick up an extra from the Disrupting Shout/Show of Force/Thunderlord branch

[graceful kite]

disrupting shout is mostly a meme

[steady mason]

90s>120s is huge for chain pulling / covering butt pulls in pugs

and the interrupt is killer in a bunch of the dungeons

[graceful kite]

meh

[steady mason]

38 of the top 50 players have it in their trees too

[graceful kite]

they're playing top keys with exact plan of every cc tho

[steady mason]

okay

im going to keep taking it

[opaque bobcat]

So I don't talent Rallying Cry. I don't find it worth it, pushing these higher keys it feels like little to no benefit (if it were 20% I would likely talent it), and there seem to be far better options in my opinion. I'm aware this is an unpopular view, so I just wanted to ask ya'lls thoughts. Am I just utterly wrong here or?

[small steeple]

its also great in pugs too. You can't trust pugs to get every kick and cc, so it's better to have it, use it and get some value, then not take it and wipe and kill the key

[small steeple]

Rally cry is just mid nowdays. I bet if you look through your logs, you'll find very few times where rallying cry actually saved someones life

[opaque bobcat]

EXACTLY my point. And the point I retain from it gets BIG use lol

I never talent it just wanted to see if anyone like vehemently disagreed lol

[cerulean burrow]

yeah basically why i take interrupt shout and with booming voice demoralizing shout kinda becomes a dmg cd + damage reduction with rage generation and 20% more dmg to targets hit by it

[small steeple]

Outside of raid, I don't take it anymore. And if you look at somebody like Sense, he doesn't take it too

[cerulean burrow]

kinda goated

[opaque bobcat]

If it were 20% I think I would, thats about it

20% is a different story. 30 and OBVIOUSLY

30 is wild

[urban portal]

Rally is not great

[small steeple]

are you talking about disrupting shout or thunderlord here???

[urban portal]

But there’s really nothing to replace it with

So it’s still the most efficient point

[cerulean burrow]

oh my fault i thought i saw someone talking about demoralizing shout being bad i kinda skimmed it

disrupting shout is nice too i take it

[small steeple]

looking at what Sense runs, he takes Pain and Gain instead of Rallying Cry

[pallid quiver]

This; rally generally won't enable much, since it's not a big enough EHRP increase for most thresholds people are dying on, but it's generally better than anything else you could grab with those points

[pallid quiver]

He also runs with people in his guild and shot-calls, as well, so it runs into "rally has literally zero use to us"

since pain and gain also is not a very big survival increase

[small steeple]

Intimidating shout would also be a good alternative, more aoe stops is always good

[pallid quiver]

Your realistic choices for that point with his tree are Pain and Gain (very small survival benefit), Rally (as stated above, likely useless for his group), Intervene (generally useless), Bounding Stride (no real practical value outside of last boss of Rookery if you don't know how to hold A/D), Int Shout (likely useless for his group and low general value due to hardstops not being as good and being target capped), and... second wind, I guess

the last of which being like pain and gain, except you have to be dying to benefit from it

[small steeple]

I've found in pugs, I get not that much value from Rallying Cry

[steady mason]

does fear not make mobs run around like chickens with their heads cut off?

[pallid quiver]

Fear instantly breaks in any realistic circumstance

[small steeple]

yes, but in aoe it gets insta broken

[pallid quiver]

It would be more useful if it wasn't target capped, being one of the very few aoe stops in the game that is target capped, and if hard stops didn't generally just make the mob instantly recast whatever they were casting

[night heron]

Hello, can someone remind me what's the best thing to drop if I need to take Disrupting Shout?

[pallid quiver]

Both of those together make Int Shout a fairly weak option, but it can be useful if you need more stops for things that have to be hard stopped

[small steeple]

show of force generally

[pallid quiver]

As Colo using standard trees, you just swap SoF for it

and cry that your dam go down

It's actually fairly easy to grab Disrupting Shout as Colo; it just hurts you emotionally more

[night heron]

Yeah it definitely feels bad but I don't want to rely on pugs to coordinate kicks in higher keys

Very emotionally hurtful tho

[pallid quiver]

i've got bad news for you

In higher keys, you're gonna have to find a way to coordinate kicks

[graceful kite]

I like rally cry, I still imagine that im in bfa and its turbogood

[pallid quiver]

Things will live too long for you to solo, even if you grabbed every stop on both trees

[graceful kite]

what was it like 30% hp with talent and azerite

[pallid quiver]

Disrupting is really just an interrupt with a longer lockout with the occasional benefit of hitting multiple casts at once

It's extremely good at what it does, but it doesn't instantly solve the interrupt problem

[graceful kite]

btw does anyone have an issue with earth ele this season

[unborn island]

Do any of you have a good WA to tell you when you have an external okn you?

[pallid quiver]

i have an issue with forgetting to press it 🙂

[graceful kite]

I FEEL like whenever I have a shaman use earth ele some mobs would just snap from me even if I had aggro before ele and was hitting them for the duration

[pallid quiver]

That's because Earth Ele taunts

[unborn island]

That's...the point?

[pallid quiver]

so yes, that is how that works

[graceful kite]

I mean snap on other targets

[pallid quiver]

Its taunt just doesn't work on bosses, so you may not have noticed

[graceful kite]

like dps players

[small steeple]

It annoyes when a shaman uses earth ele when I'm still trying to get mobs in the correct spot

[unborn island]

Wait they're popping earth ele and the DPS are getting hit even though you had aggro?

That shouldn't happen I think?

[graceful kite]

exactly

[pallid quiver]

It's possible that it's pulling the mobs onto ranged players as they chase down the earth ele, since the threshold for ripping aggro is different if you're standing in melee compared to range iirc

So the range players may have had enough aggro to rip if they were in melee, but not while at range

[graceful kite]

earth ele taunt is like pala bubble taunt right

so its a constant permataunt in a range

[small steeple]

Its not constant

It pulses every second

[graceful kite]

My guess was that ele is chasing some mob, 1 mob goes out of its taunt range and for some reason my aggro drops

[steady mason]

this happened to me last night

[small steeple]

Which is also how bubble taunt works too, last I looked into it

[graceful kite]

Its happening only this patch but it happened today for 3rd time

its a retail channel

theres a channel for classic below

[small steeple]

I love last boss of priory

[graceful kite]

you can also reflect on 2nd boss

[steady mason]

Do the adds on BIG MOMMA needs to get picked up ASAP? The ability chart makes it seem like all their abilities are to random targets

caused 2 wipes last night in a 13 in the chaos of positioning off lightning, grabbing the 4 new adds, and managing defensives

[viral jackal]

I try to at least keep them together for cleave

positioning on that fight can be a real pain though

[steady mason]

yeah of course, I guess im asking if I need to be chaotically making grabbing the adds for cleave prio #1

[cerulean burrow]

when they spawn a quick tclap + revenge or tclap + thunderous roar should keep them together bar when they leap to other players but then theyll walk right back

[chilly brook]

I don’t think so

[steady mason]

thanks guys, I'll make sure to save roar and work on be calmer in the transition

[cerulean burrow]

you can send roar on pull and it should be up by the next set of adds spawning so long as they got down fast enough

[nocturne spindle]

yea they dont need to be picked up in teh sense that they wont hurt anyone

but they do move to their main target and itll make it easier to cleave if you get agro on them fast

[solid sun]

Is it more frustrating playing with a tank who pulls poorly or dps who do little damage and die a lot

Just from personal experience

[stiff gate]

if the tank doesnt know whats going on the key is miserable for everyone involved

[solid sun]

Is that not true for every other role as well?

Like if the healer has no hps or is constantly standing stuff and dying most the team is gonna end up getting merc’d right?

[steady mason]

I started playing as a dps and switched to heals because I got frustrated with healers letting me die, after healing I swapped to tank because I got frustrated with tanks

[solid sun]

Or if your dps is constantly body pulling and dying and pulls live too long, etc

[strong forum]

fuckall value as colossus

45k hps with 80% overhealing

not worth

[timber crest]

guys revenge is always more dam per cast than tclap+rend as colossus right?

[strong forum]

yes

[timber crest]

thx that explains the rotation

[chilly brook]

A bad tank

[frozen berry]

3k io is 5 13’s and rest 12s right?

[chilly brook]

4 13s

Well

I guess it depends

4-5 depending

[cerulean tusk]

False. TC is more if enemy isn't in the weak 180 range of Rev.

TC is 360 no scope and can hit the enemies.

Rev is not always better. Stop the lies! WW is the way 🙏

[warm venture]

I still don't understand why they felt the need to nerf prot damage... makes no sense

[opaque bobcat]

can i get rid of instigate? I'm trying to see how much its actually responsible for over the course if a quick fight/boss/etc., but details "rage generated" doesnt work seemingly ever, so I can't really gauge it

[harsh trellis]

Because Tanks can't hang with DPS. Even early on when the gear sucks. So they nerf us. Then when when everyone has gear, We can be way below DPS numbers only to catch up before the next expanion releases. .

But if youre lookin for big numbers, always be pulling large packs of mobs. 🙂

[topaz hornet]

any recommendations on vids to watch to get good at prot

I ran my first dungeons as prot yesterday and I got the tank bug

[unborn island]

What are you looking to learn? Which buttons to push? Or which runs/pulls work well as prot?

If it's which buttons to push I would say to watch Sense (Sense Nurfed), if for prot routes I quite like Topicx's videos, he produces a lot of them and I think mostly pugs so the routes should work for most groups.

Obviously the sense whole dungeons videos are excellent too, but, there's not so many of them and they're all run on voice comms etc, so may not be quite as transferrable to your average pug

[topaz hornet]

Thank you!

Yeah kind of what buttons to push. I have a good idea of what routes to take but those will be a good too

[pallid quiver]

If you're looking for an overview of the spec, there's not really too many good videos like that. Most of the up-to-date and accurate guides for Prot War are only text guides, specifically the ones on Wowhead and Icy Veins

[topaz hornet]

yeah I have already read though wowhead. I think just seeing someone doing it would be helpful. I am not sure if I am just hitting my rotation as fast as possible like furry. or if I lose uptime to hit buttons at the right time.

I ran a 9 and it went pretty well just clicking as fast as possible.

I noticed that I can pull huge but the limiting factor is if my group have enough kicks to handle the spells going off

[pallid quiver]

You should never sit on a GCD at all as Prot War

[pallid quiver]

Yeah, group survival is the limiting factor for pulls since DF on average

You could pull like 4 packs with two knights into first mini boss in priory

but then the group explodes

and then you die from things living too long/lack of support/etc

[cerulean tusk]

If you want to make the 1st pull a bit safer, you can skip a shooter pack.
Go - Footmen, Knightpack, sniper pack, priest pack, miniboss
Less random shots and traps, but an interupt that must be done.

I just do double sniper tho instead, seems to work out fine

[topaz hornet]

yeah tank busters for the most part seem less impactful to prot then other tank specs

[pallid quiver]

kitty coming in from left field guessing on the topic smh

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarrior dont care, we tanks

[topaz hornet]

we a tanks tanks

[pallid quiver]

Prot War in general mitigates the most upfront

[unborn island]

Except the first boss in priory, that dude hurts like fuck.

[topaz hornet]

I haven't ran them yet. do they do a lot of magic damage

[cerulean tusk]

ppl keep saying that, but I never felt it

[pallid quiver]

Worse; bleeds

[topaz hornet]

ewww so you just dump everything in to ignore pain and forget about damage?

[pallid quiver]

If you don't manage SW properly, you'll instantly feel it. Otherwise, you'll only feel it if your healer is afk or you're really pushing

[pallid quiver]

that kills you

Oversending into IP gives you less IP overtime

so you die

Since you're generating less rage to get less casts of IP

And you also lose more damage to fluff casts of IP via brutal vit

[topaz hornet]

oh shit

[pallid quiver]

Bleeds are specifically prot's weakness since it bypasses our strength, and has to be countered with proper CD use

[topaz hornet]

interesting

[pallid quiver]

A lot of people think magic damage is Prot War's weakness, but we're really good against blockable magic damage, and we're pretty good against infrequent bursts of magic damage

[topaz hornet]

with spell refect and the other prot spell thing

don't have all the ability names memoriezed yet.

[unborn island]

Spellblock

[topaz hornet]

yeah that one

[woven radish]

Bump for @gentle violet he's been putting in some good work and has pug vids got pretty much every dungeon 12-15s now so you can get a good idea of how to approach a lot of these dungeons at different levels.

[gentle violet]

🙌🏼

[gentle violet]

Appreciate you. Yep, I’ve strictly pugged, including no comms +15 priory. Not 1 team key this season. Thanks for the love.

Kicking for myself for not hitting record on +15 Rookery with successful parasol skip route. 🥲

[chilly brook]

bro the amount of people who fail parasol kills me

[unborn island]

I'll admit your videos do trigger me a bit, I do basically all of the same routes, and do similar damage to you, but then my key finishes and it's like...50s over time and yours is 2.5 mins under, just makes me rage at DPS 😛

But it is great content, so thanks for putting in the work

[stiff gate]

i failed the parasol the other day 😭 turns out if you try to heroic leap and get no path available, it closes your parasol for a sec and just drops you straight down

[unborn island]

I've still not tried it, my rookery 14 last night got bricked with boss at 8%, 40m left on the shield, and 2 mins to go because the Ret stood in the bad and died meaning an add got summoned on the opposite side from me 😦

Also...pugs probably not gonna manage it 😛

[stiff gate]

oof, we bricked to exactly that last week but timed 15 the other day despite me failing the skip and having to get rezzed

[gentle violet]

Hahaha wow. I’ve failed a lot of PUGs. Yeah you need pretty good dps in 15+ it starts becoming more of a requirement to time some tighter keys.

[unborn island]

Yeah I guess that's fair, we don't see the ones which don't work 🙂

[solid sun]

"I've failed a lot of PUGs" mostly means they failed PUGs a long time ago, like back in legion

Nowadays Topic has 100% success rate.

[hasty crypt]

Sup my dudes, anywhere I can find info on when to replace Sirens ring? Because my 658 Footbomb ring sims 10k higher than Sirens with my current gear

[chilly brook]

when it sims higher lol

[hasty crypt]

lmao alright, just wanted to make sure. Thanks!

[rain river]

Hey, just wanna ask for friend how to get as much uptime on shield block as possible, I am seeing these tanks in high keys get around 90% and up while my friend is around 70% and seems to struggle push it higher

[long bronze]

his haste is too low, he doesn't use shield charge on cd, doesn't have 4 set?

[cerulean tusk]

Step 1: press shield block
Step 2: Use the talents that improve shieldblock uptime

[jagged pier]

need logs

[long bronze]

if his haste is below ~17k unbuffed he should be using HR instead of ITF or using a haste flask

[frosty mango]

So basically not motherlode

[graceful kite]

we're good in motherlode

reflecting charged shield is bis

[chilly brook]

Most of the magic damage is blockable in ML

[oak ivy]

what is a parasol skip

[frosty mango]

Third boss is poop if it takes too long

[chilly brook]

I mean 3rd boss slaps every tank

[frosty mango]

Let me doom

[chilly brook]

But you just gotta be stable enough until the channels hit

You can spell block the first set

Double shield wall the next

[frosty mango]

I can’t spell block, I can’t even read

[chilly brook]

Spell block should be back up for the 3rd etc.

[solid sun]

Double shield wall?

It must really spike high in big keys

[opal arrow]

Endless discuss: Indom vs Ravag drop in order to get BSV?

[abstract python]

Okey so I have a question regarding Heroic Throw, does it only aggro the target you throw it at or does it aggro mobs around the targeted mob aswell?

[sweet summit]

only main but most social aggro too

[strong forum]

indom

[abstract python]

Is that the reason why when I use it on Chef Chewie it also sometimes aggros the boss?

[strong forum]

threat is generates based on dmg done

if you pull chewie with heroic throw and it socials the boss, it means chewie was too close to the boss OR someone else in the group procced something which procs off of mobs in combat with you which does aoe dmg

[abstract python]

Does the same happen if I just use Taunt on it instead?

[strong forum]

taunt itself doesnt generate threat, it only fixates the target onto you until the debuff runs out

but yes it does

TLDR

make sure chewie isnt too close to the boss before pulling chewie

[abstract python]

Alright, thanks!

[thin silo]

Not directly related, but worth knowing (since the game doesnt tell you anymore) Taunt also gives a ~5x threat generated multiplier during the debuff, so it can be useful to Taunt something already on you before unloading on it early on to secure threat for the rest of the fight

[zealous goblet]

they should reintroduce the 1% chance to miss a taunt like in classic

i want my dps to die and to have an excuse

class warfare, are you doing YOUR part?

[mighty valley]

i keenly remember wiping to al'ar back when TBC was current due to three consecutive missed taunts

[slender bison]

Unless a wild shaman Elemental appears to mess your rage and rotation 🥺

[thin silo]

I swear missed taunts are still a thing
Once every week or two in raids I'll try a swap on a raid boss, Taunt goes on CD, and nothing happens
Even in single target fights where there's no possibility of a mistarget
(Happens to my cotank as well)

[pallid quiver]

The only time that can happen is if there's taunt DR

Taunts can DR just like any other kind of CC or mob controlling effect

It can seem like it's happening with some casts, as well, where they won't change targets after a taunt until the cast is finished

if the taunt is a tank buster or something, you'd need to taunt before or else the other tank will get hit for more than you intended them to take

[lusty grotto]

depends

there are fights where in-between taunts are good

rashanan for example

but they are few and far in between

ok my 40th run is done

39th with hero loot

i guess ill try on emore

idk if ill shoot to 50 tbh

[vestal moat]

are you okay with a champion one? if so id run a 5 stack m0 on it every day, almost stasitically guaranteed you get it in less than week

[lusty grotto]

nah

no reason to get a champ one

i have a warbound champ one in the bank

i have a myth signet that needs replacing

but ty

[slender bison]

Careful with the burnout

[lusty grotto]

ive been burned out for 3 weeks

thats why i havent pushed at all

and monster hunter'ed instead

[slender bison]

Yea, I Valheim between grinds

[idle copper]

why dont bosses just go back to the highest dps tanks on swap (after the taunts worn off)?

[slender bison]

Else you would be back in 2005 where a paying sub dps (15 euros btw) has to afk for tank to pick up agro again.

So they buffed agro 15 years ago, to make like 5x tank damage

When you TC, even if your giga-zug-zug has BiS it wont pick up the mob/boss unless you're lazy/messed rotation/no-rage

It felt slugish and bad, so now agro is important in the first 1 second or if a messy pull and you have to triangle-charge with TCs/SC

[strong forum]

during taunt you generate 400% more threat

so if you dont do any dmg during the taunt window, you will lose threat again as soon as the debuff fades

[solemn current]

It also puts you above the highest current threat, so technically if neither of you do anything you wouldn't

[lusty grotto]

no

it dosent

[strong forum]

nah it only puts you at top of the threat meter for the duration of taunt

[lusty grotto]

thats vanilla taunt, what youre describing

[strong forum]

taunt = forced fixate with +400% extra threat modifier for its duration

if 0 dmg dealt, 0 threat will be generated

[vivid sinew]

It 100% gives you permenant threat. You can taunt after not hitting for 10 minutes do some attacks and have full threat.

[lusty grotto]

false

[strong forum]

wrong

well

[solemn current]

Yea that's definitely wrong, but there was a blue post a while back regarding Threat that explained it put you at a percentage higher than the next tank. Mentioned nothing about losing it all after.

[strong forum]

you lose threat if you dont do any dmg

[solemn current]

WoW's recommendation of how to use taunt or something can't remember it exactly

[strong forum]

but it does put you at the top

[vivid sinew]

yes, but the threat you obtained from taunting doesnt go anywhere.

[strong forum]

ye like it puts you higher

or rather close

for a bit

theres catchup but if you dont generate any meaningful threat like a 250k dps tank vs a 1mil dps tank

will very quickly lose it again

[vivid sinew]

I think my statement earlier might have been misconstrued as aggro and not threat.

[strong forum]

ye

[solemn current]

The whole point of the post at the time was referring to the fact that it put you at X above highest current threat, but you'd lose thread if Y person kept gaining threat above that mark and you didn't not that you just suddenly lost the threat you were given.

[strong forum]

myb

yea

[slender bison]

Guys, you're describing two random tanks shield slamming the same target. It doesn't make sense

[strong forum]

ig thats correct

[solemn current]

So if you taunt while top threat has 100 threat (lets say its 1.05% modifer but I don't know the math) then you'd have 105 threat, but if you generated nothing in that duration you'd still have 105 threat just you'd lose threat if top threat was now at 110 threat

[slender bison]

Vs 1 tank with trash gear Vs DPS with giga-gear

[lavish zodiac]

hi guys, workshop skip at thend doesn't work anymore ?

[strong forum]

iirc to pull threat you need to have 10% more threat

[solemn current]

Yea I was never concerned with exact numbers but that sounds right. I'm just really more concerned with the method.

I just mean if you're at 50 threat and taunt to 105 threat, you aren't back to 50 at the end of the duration (or at least the post never implied it)

[vivid sinew]

As far as i understand it yes. Taunt "sets" you to highes threat plus a small percentage.

For eternity

(if you sat and did nothing)

Whatever that value was at the time.

[slender bison]

if you taunt and do nothing, your plate will go yellow to red in under 1 second

[vivid sinew]

probably.

[idle copper]

thank you

[slender bison]

The only time threat is dangerous is when you have a garbage weapon Vs a great gear DPS with high haste

Enha shamans are notorious for stealing threat on single target

Kinda why tanks can't be boosted consistently

Modern taunt is for picking up stray trash. Pre-taunt is so 2005

[lusty grotto]

41st total run done, 40th hero loot run done

i give up

until sunk cost fallacy gets me going again i guess

[slender bison]

Don't give up, get some platers with tank spec

*loot spec

[lusty grotto]

ive always asked them out if there's any tank classes in group

err

asked them, period

but also told them i would ask them out if they get it

c:

[slender bison]

When I was in 7s-8s I would always target plater groups, get an invite, check if they had Hero gear, and if yes, ask them for loot spec. Got me across. For ex. I had S1 chest/helm for like 3 weeks in S2

Be more assertive 😛

[lusty grotto]

im too ancient for that

the time where i would have done it (and it was a long ass time) has long passed

[slender bison]

Sounds like you are suffering from an acute BiS drop depresso

All shall pass

[lusty grotto]

yeah its not a big deal lol

just a look at how key drop rng is bs

[pastel sleet]

how much tankier is mountain thane this season?

[lusty grotto]

happens every season, im used to it

not a whole lot

compared to colossus

if anything its only easier to handle

because of passives

but the difference is not big

minimal at best

[slender bison]

Yeah, Thane just feels more fluid. Colossus can have clunky phases/downtime if you mess up the rage input-output

[nocturne spindle]

Ctrl f warrior

No results

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarrior didn't get nerfed for no reason, be happy

It was our best case scenario

[strong forum]

Not our worst case*

I'm already rerolling warlock anyway

Falling behind by the virtue of other classes getting mad buffs

[lyric fern]

Ive already been playing my warlock as an alt lol

this just further solidifies that decision

[strong forum]

Same

First time since bfa s1 that I unzip my warlock

Played it heavily in legion wod mop and cata

But affli was shit

Now it's actually decent in m+ for once

[lyric fern]

any spec in particular or just whatever was good at the time?

[strong forum]

Affli and demo

Destro is just fire mage

[lyric fern]

based demo enjoyer 🗿

[harsh trellis]

Wtf is this talk

If you're unhappy. Swap to arms

Stick those feelings deep down

[strong forum]

I been playing arms every patch DW

Only time I've not played arms was SL s1

[lyric fern]

I dont like Arms but I am not unhappy with how pwar is right now
I just would rather play my warlock than play fury

[lusty grotto]

hes still playing a war

[strong forum]

Ye

Still war enjoyer

[lusty grotto]

Arms is much better this season, fuck SKS

last season it was stupid aids

[strong forum]

Fury can go fuck itself every season

[harsh trellis]

Yes

[lusty grotto]

true and real

[limber temple]

😂😂😂

[limpid tide]

well brew gets some tankiness added but the dmg buffs they gave it are an absolute joke. No shot BDK changes hero trees. They made no prot pal changes even though it has large windows of feeling squishy. I think prot warr in a good place then compared to the rest.

[strong forum]

Oh

Sigil of silence nerfed by 50%

[lyric fern]

I dont think that moves the needle too much tbh

[harsh trellis]

I tried to play a dh. I just can't get into it.

[strong forum]

It doesn't but it puts them more in line with other silences/interrupts

4base +2 from talent is a lot more egregious than 2base+2talent

When bdk silence is 3sec (and never talented)

And avengers shield is 1.5s(?) silence

[mighty valley]

Someone who knows brewmaster, do these buffs mean much

[lusty grotto]

@waxen frigate

[frozen berry]

I’m sure DH will stay 95% of high keys

[waxen frigate]

link notes

[lusty grotto]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-2-class-tuning-incoming-april-15th-376332

[sharp gale]

Nim warrior F tier now ?

[waxen frigate]

they're nice changes but they're not gonna do anything to change brew's position in the meta

it likely won't be fighting for its life to not be the lowest dmg tank anymore

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sharp gale]

You perfectly know there will be questions even tho no warrior line, I’m preparing you

[lusty grotto]

true and real

[solid sun]

Warrior ignored in patch notes, now F tier

[mighty valley]

Is thane the play now

[sharp gale]

I just read it aff warlock mmmmh I might log Happywarlock

[mighty valley]

Because of the no changes

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[limpid tide]

the damage added is like 1% overall of key increase too so yeah, brew still worst tank probably.

[solid sun]

I wonder how dk is taking the news

[lusty grotto]

like all class discords do

doomsaying, while regulars chill

[sharp gale]

There is the more dodge on mastery that might be HUGE

[solid sun]

At least they scored buffs in addition to the nerf

[mighty valley]

the buffs aren’t enough/the nerfs are bullshit

idk I didn’t read the dk section

[sharp gale]

Nothing, just nerfed blood beast

[solid sun]

Woosh woosh scythes stronk

Blood golem sad

[lusty grotto]

i like scything 😢

my bdk is perma scyth'ing

[nocturne spindle]

just out of curiosity

is bdk net nueutral with changes?

[limpid tide]

to be fair the blood nerf to beast is a huge amount of it's damage. Deathbringer is like ~650k dps overall behind sanlayn this week, so it's possible you see a hero tree change over.

[sharp gale]

Do I prefer woosh woosh woosh sound or splash-boom sound mmmmh

[solid sun]

I think woosh woosh is a happier noise

Happierdk

[lusty grotto]

woosh woosh sound please

[mighty valley]

the changes are to different hero specs so “net neutral” isn’t really possible

[solid sun]

Idk how to use the woosh wooshes so I just do woosh woosh attacks close together and it makes me happy

[sharp gale]

I don’t understand deathbringer enough, but I think I prefer woosh woosh, I’m a reformed blood beast gamble addict

[solid sun]

I like blue boil

[nocturne spindle]

ohh

interesting

[solid sun]

Looks better than blood boil

[lusty grotto]

[sharp gale]

You just don’t use back to back, I noticed it deletes the proc chance of new mark, (I play the hero talent but I never read it)

[solid sun]

Intredasting

[cerulean tusk]

Ngl, I expected the Devs to be spiteful and nerd Demolish by 40-50% and buff shield slam 5%

I am kinda content

[sharp gale]

Press mark, woosh woosh, wait little bit, woosh woosh, new mark, woosh woosh, and you are -500k under splash-boom

[solid sun]

What the heck

I ain’t even got one of them mark buttons

You mean marrow thing?

Or wait nope nevermind

I remember now

You get a mark button and marrow thing becomes the scythes

And that’s how you bdk everyone!

[sharp gale]

Death bringer mark, after it reach whatever stacks yes you get woosh woosh on marrow thing, and it has chance to reapply a mark

[solid sun]

Lookit us

Teaching all these warriors

[sharp gale]

There will always be a random topic on another class sometime, like when we searched what are vdh def cds bc someone asked for help

[next pasture]

do you guys play in d stance or b stance for mythic raid/keys above 12? or do you switch if you feel safe or unsafe

[mighty valley]

the gain is really small to switch into bstance

so it’s very forgivable to just stay in dstance the whole time

if you’re taking no threatening damage at all, it’s a free 3% crit to swap, but those occasions are kinda rare in high keys

[idle copper]

is there any pattern to the swirlies and adds spawning on IPA - as in next to players etc?

[small steeple]

was warrior only class with no tuning?

[round cliff]

no nerfs is the best brown class can hope for

🙏

[solid sun]

No

[small steeple]

what was the other one?

[solid sun]

I didn’t see rogue or hunter in the notes

[small steeple]

ah right

they had big tuning llast go

[slender bison]

Went to heal Rookery and I just realized what an ez life tanks have besides setting the pace and not dying

Heals at the last boss have to run like headless chickens to dispel and top up

[last pebble]

tell me you do weekly 10s without telling me you do weekly 10s

[mighty valley]

platonic ideal of a forum post

[toxic gyro]

Sounds like we’re playing different game. Between calling kicks and getting rekt on a lot of pulls I get a break here and there.

[lusty grotto]

there are 2 kinds of men

lmao

[toxic gyro]

You either stand in wrong spot or your dps.

[lusty grotto]

the duality of WoW players

[solid sun]

Calling kicks isn’t necessarily a tank job

[lusty grotto]

it shouldnt be

but a lot of tanks are forced into it

ranged players are much better shot callers

[toxic gyro]

It shouldn’t be, but ppl are stuck in this mentality since bfa. Also majority of dps can’t multitask it.

[toxic gyro]

💯

[lusty grotto]

yeah its wild i can shotcall as any dps even melee

it is so much easier than shotcalling as a tank

too much responsability as a tank nowadays

without counting shotcalling

[toxic gyro]

Little toxic as melee, especially with all the frontals and swirlies, but is pretty toxic on some pulls as tank.

[lusty grotto]

oh for sure, ranged is easier, augs was kinda perfect for it

[toxic gyro]

Too bad 99% of augs were boosted af

[lusty grotto]

lol

[toxic gyro]

It’s ok, they got what they deserved

Now they’re lonely in F tier.

[round cliff]

our raid lead is also the off tank

he plays worse if he has less responsibility

xd

[lusty grotto]

haha

hes a legend then

[round cliff]

i just have to handle the tank-related calls

for what few of those there are

[lavish tulip]

i'm looking for a defensive build any recommendation?

[lusty grotto]

theres none

you can just change one talent out of the recommended builds

and thats battering ram into BSV, thats it (in raid ravager for BSV probably)

if you mean colossus

well for both really

[toxic gyro]

And drop indom for thunderlords.

That is for m+ ofc.

[warm plinth]

Indom is already not run, for colossus anyway. And thunderlords would be a pretty marginal increase in survival since you don't tc often

For thane you run thunderlords anyway iirc

[lavish tulip]

i just get into the 10+ tanking and feel my war squishy

[toxic gyro]

You don’t but it’s still better than indom. Not much we can do to get more defensive.

[warm plinth]

Survival is like 95% gameplay and 5% ilevel

Your talent build isn't what's making you feel squishy, I guarantee it.

[toxic gyro]

Playing it wrong. Make sure you always have shield block up, don’t get hit in the back by mobs. Learn to use defensive cds before big hits/tank busters, spell reflect spells.

[lavish tulip]

kk i see, appreciate your answers

[warm plinth]

If you can get logs, we can help more specifically

[toxic gyro]

👆

[lavish tulip]

excellent!

[toxic gyro]

Logs are always the easiest way for us to find exactly what you’re struggling with.

[lavish tulip]

ok, im gonna get the logs next time

ty for your time

[supple quarry]

its possible to xmog only the arctifact shield?

[warm plinth]

I believe so, yes

[supple quarry]

i cant do it

[lusty grotto]

yes but you cant pick from legion artifacts

you have to manually choose the shield

from the shields category

[supple quarry]

ahhh mb

[warm plinth]

Ah I vaguely remembered "legion artifact" and it being relevant but couldn't remember why 😂

[supple quarry]

COOOOL thanksss

[tidal scarab]

is tome good for dungeons?

[warm plinth]

@lusty grotto is the person to ask 😏

[toxic gyro]

Pretty good trinket, especially on bosses. Will account for 3-5% of your dmg depending on the dungeon and given you always keep it in dmg mode. One of the best trinkets out there.

[lusty grotto]

[chilly brook]

Picked up that heroic eye of Kazan

[tidal scarab]

Appreciate it dude

[onyx vessel]

Tomeless

[onyx vessel]

How many priory ran?

[onyx vessel]

Get a weak aura to track it make sure its in sword mode shield mode is trash

Force swap it by hitting use

[nocturne spindle]

its damage do be thicc

[lusty grotto]

41

42 total though

41 with hero track loot

[toxic gyro]

Just ask your healer to loot spec guardian, so 2 of them drop in one run, one with leech

[lusty grotto]

i always have 2-3 pugs that i ask to go tank loot on, but nothing

[toxic gyro]

That’s so unlucky

I had this luck with ara kara loot, got same items 4-6 times, never the trinket, until someone looted it and traded it to me.

[lusty grotto]

yeah i had the same thing happen with it as well

[jagged gust]

ngl but since this xpac started I have had absolutely goated luck with trinkets

[toxic gyro]

Oh it was my healer getting 2nd one as well

My healer gears me up Got me neck from rik as well

[lusty grotto]

ive had the same shit luck as every single season since M+ chests were invented

at this point its only rational that its a cursed GUID

[jagged gust]

I thought a GM put a curse on my account in DF

I know the feeling

[toxic gyro]

I think the pinnacle of my luck was gettiku sword with infinite stars r3 like week 3 of the tier.

[lusty grotto]

ask me about glaives in tbc

where i only got ONE

and then we sold a lockout to another guild

and the other one dropped

vanilla TBC, not classic

[steep tinsel]

hii im relatively new to protw and feel like im much less self-reliant with terrible healers than i was on guardian/VDH. obviously i have a lot more defensives and damage, but is it wrong that i feel a little more scared on protw compared to the others in lower keys with worse healers/group stops?

[lusty grotto]

yes its wrong

[jagged gust]

hahaha yeah, meanwhile my guild had 2 pairs and like half a dozen left handers

[lusty grotto]

but youre gonna have to give us more info

[jagged gust]

orw/e one dropped more frequently

[steep tinsel]

i mean if i dip below max health what are my actual tools to top myself other than a pretty underwhelming impending victory

and a long CD last stand

[jagged gust]

We gave a glaive to our priests little brother's rogue, our arms warrior and I think even our MT had one sitting in his bags

[lusty grotto]

youre not supposed to dip, what key level are you doing

do you have logs?

[steep tinsel]

i can log the next few, im sure i can be mitigating more, but if packs live long enough i eventually run dry

[jagged gust]

that really shouldn't be happening

[lusty grotto]

keep up SB as a priority

always face mobs

and you shouldn't dip, depending on the content youre doing

make sure you have either a crafted or a myth shield

if you happen to log

post it under a new thread in #1347646810457636974

and tag me

[jagged gust]

but in terms of topping yourself off, prot wars sustain is the fact that you're not taking anything more than negligible trickles of damage that your leech should cover for the most part.

You can cover a mistake once or twice with your self heals, but if you're consistently yoyoing HP something need fixin

[narrow jay]

Is it normal for our healing parses in raid to be ass? Like we mitigate so much dmg and use defensives on tank busters. I found the only way I had good healing parses was last raid when we went thane and spammed ignore pain.

[round cliff]

who tf is looking at PROT WARRIOR HEALING PARSES

genuinely

for what purpose

[lusty grotto]

lol yea

[narrow jay]

Like I mitigate so much damage on mythic cauldron I take less damage than some of the dps lol

[round cliff]

THATS NOT HEALING

HEALING PARSE MEANS HEALING

prot warrior healing parse is literally ur leech stat

wtf

[round cliff]

i get why you go off on people now

[narrow jay]

Ya I know lol just feels bad when your co tank has line 90s in healing parses and the rest of the dps are all like 80++ and we are like 30-40 depending on the fight

[round cliff]

NO IT DOESNT

ive literally NEVER looked at my healing parse

once

[lusty grotto]

its not useful for us

[narrow jay]

I only looked cause my raid lead asked why my healing was so low compared to others I just wanted to make sure I want doing anything wrong lol

[round cliff]

ur raid lead is mentally deficient

[jagged gust]

You're missing out

Had a mage in an old guild who hard mained arcane, literally never played anything else

[narrow jay]

I never die and I barely take dmg so I've never bothered to care about my healing I like to look at damage mitigated

[jagged gust]

who just lived for getting all 100 parses for arcane mage healing

you gotta cheese it if you wanna heal parse with the big boys

Always let SB drop, you're not healing by mitigating with IP if you're not taking damage

[round cliff]

ur literal only source of healing outside ur oh-shit button is LEECH

prot war doesnt heal damage it just doesnt take it in the first place

there is not a class in this game where healing parses matter less than urs

[jagged gust]

the circe ring with all heal gems equipped is a huge parse increaser

obviously you have to change your talents around a bit

[narrow jay]

Everyone was just talking about their healing parses during raid on heroic gally while I only had like a 40% so I was just making sure I wasn't fucking up by not healing more

[round cliff]

ur at 40%? ur healing too much.

go for low parse wr

[dense cradle]

hps only matters for healers

and maybe bdks

[narrow jay]

I make sure it ignore pain and impending victory every tank buster play it like I'm a DK death striking lol

[round cliff]

yea dont

if ur using ur defensives right, most tank busters dont budge ur health bar

ur healers should have more than enough indiscriminant aoe heals to keep u topped up at all times

[narrow jay]

We were 4 healing hero gally with a large raid group that should have had 6 healers was just trying to make it easier on the healers lol

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[round cliff]

fuck them healers

[chilly brook]

dungeon slice for prot is troll yeah?

[round cliff]

yea

just do patchwerk 5

[lusty grotto]

its not optimized for it

still

[chilly brook]

eh kinda difficult to

in this specific scenario

[round cliff]

what are u trying to sim

[round cliff]

bis

simple as

[lusty grotto]

just do a 5+ min sim

like anvil

[jagged gust]

eye would be fantastic if it was like anvil

[chilly brook]

I was wanting to see how it is in shorter uptime mixed with other stuff

[dense cradle]

highkey this game feels like

[chilly brook]

It basically is?

[dense cradle]

healers complain when they have to do their role

[lusty grotto]

its the same as anvil lol

the decay could be faster

well its more like signet

since you cant activate it like anvil

[jagged gust]

doesn't it decay pretty quickly? and a ppm of 5 I think?

[dense cradle]

everyone jerked off signet because wowhead writers

[chilly brook]

1 stack every 2 seconds

[dense cradle]

put it as “bis”

[lusty grotto]

yeah that was what i was going for

[lusty grotto]

i meant amirdrassil signet not this current one

[chilly brook]

which means you basically have 20 seconds if fully stacked

[lusty grotto]

cataclysmic signet

[dense cradle]

im aware

[lusty grotto]

ah

[dense cradle]

i feel it was overhyped

[jagged gust]

anvil you could also cheese with the on-use

[dense cradle]

people thought it was bis in all content for some reason

[chilly brook]

cuz it drops off completely after 20 seconds but if you pull at 1 second remaining you're still at 10 stacks and it's giga worth

[lusty grotto]

kezan seems stupidly worth using in priory

and maybe cinder, if you didnt have to take the dumb bee at the end

[jagged gust]

wall jump!

[lusty grotto]

or DFC with mario kart

or flood with the catapult bs / drop down to bubbles

ML with skips

ToP double backs and platforming

[jagged gust]

"Man if it wasn't this season it'd be great"

[lusty grotto]

LOL

i mean its kinda just

priory and cinder

tbh

even rookery has falling down twice and the eagle ride

more so with the parasol bs tech

i suppose DFC is also a decent candidate

since its just the mario kart throw blue shells at boss section

sans any skips, which im not aware of

[warm plinth]

Not even Myth smh

[warm plinth]

ML is kind of wild these days. It's so weird doing like, all the trash you used to skip XD

[lusty grotto]

yea

and skipping all the trash you used to do

entirely backwards from BFA

[onyx vessel]

No shot

[lusty grotto]

42 now

with 4 people on tank loot spec

i wish i was fucking with you guys at this point

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

but it is real

[onyx vessel]

42 times you ran it with 4 people who can get it and trade it?

[lusty grotto]

oh nah

[onyx vessel]

[lusty grotto]

at a bare minimum 2

[onyx vessel]

That's wild

Vault loot specing prot as well?

[lusty grotto]

yeah, at least since week 3

first 2 weeks were as arms since i was fishing for a myth weapon

which i got on week 2

[onyx vessel]

Cursed warrior

[lusty grotto]

[onyx vessel]

I still haven't gotten floodgate trinket

But I've ran like idk 10 floodgates

[lusty grotto]

at the very least i got that one very early on

hero version but still

[onyx vessel]

I've been using mechano core and tome

[lusty grotto]

i need to do delves

i just... consider them so boring

[onyx vessel]

Extremely boring

I run 11 as prot bran as dps

Bran pumps

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[onyx vessel]

Wave scrambler for force spawning the guy and getting a quick delivers bounty and trying for hero track of that trinket for dps spec

[lusty grotto]

[onyx vessel]

Pretty lame how it's bis for us

Mole people winning again

[lusty grotto]

its not really bis

there's a couple

[onyx vessel]

For prot no for dps kinda is comparable to eye and house of cards

[lusty grotto]

tome/kezan/house/pacemaker/and delves

and bombsuit

those are the big ones

so theres a few at least

my guild just never gets fucking trinkets to drop either lmao

[onyx vessel]

I mean eye you getting given that as a tank

[lusty grotto]

i arms in raid

[onyx vessel]

2 house of cards dropped in raid last week

[lusty grotto]

we've never gotten a single one

[onyx vessel]

I was like didn't win it

[lusty grotto]

i think we got one kezan

that's it

[onyx vessel]

And eye lost it to a hunter

Haven't raided yet weekend raider

[lusty grotto]

idk who won the one that dropped

cant recall at this point lol

[onyx vessel]

Sucks cuz those are wanted by your whole team and I've seen house of cards 2 times in vault never taken cuz myth weapon this week and some reason I took off peice chest over house of cards last week

[lusty grotto]

oof

its ok at least we'll have dinars

[onyx vessel]

665 house of cards nearly outsimmed offhand myth weapon for fury was like 15k under

[lusty grotto]

so im not extremely worried about raid trinkets for that reason

[onyx vessel]

Whenever those come out

Sadly you can't choose tome

[lusty grotto]

yeah who knows at this point, they said next patch but it wasnt on the notes

and next patch is in 4/20

[onyx vessel]

You know what you taking first buy

As a dps player in raid its best in slots

[lusty grotto]

jk its 4/22

yeah we will see

im not against it

and will very likely be the first buy

[onyx vessel]

I think the titan of industry is a bit meh

[lusty grotto]

im not considering it at all

[onyx vessel]

The use on that weapon puts use trinkets on cd

[lusty grotto]

best in slots / jastor/ house / kezan / bombsuit are the ones i need to pick 3 out of

[onyx vessel]

For 20seconds

Bombsuit is a good shout

[lusty grotto]

jastor? jasper? lol

[onyx vessel]

Jastor

[lusty grotto]

yeah

i always misspell it

[onyx vessel]

That + house big dam with that mastery

[lusty grotto]

[onyx vessel]

Idk I think house does more burst then eye would

[lusty grotto]

it should since its on use

[onyx vessel]

For prot

[lusty grotto]

yeah for any spec really

[onyx vessel]

With how much 1.5 cds we got

[lusty grotto]

eye of kezan is just consistent damage when its at full stacks

[onyx vessel]

Double on use would suck for tome + house tho

[toxic gyro]

Ez pick for me since I only focus on m+. House > jaster > 💣 suit.

[lusty grotto]

yeah

thats what i would go for if i didnt dps in raid

[onyx vessel]

Best In slots is hard to beat

Bombsuit for big keys so I don't need it I don't bother going past a 10

[toxic gyro]

Isn’t house good for dps too?

[lusty grotto]

it is

[onyx vessel]

So is jastor

[lusty grotto]

best in slots, jastor, house, kezan

those are the picks for dps

[onyx vessel]

Just kill the bosses on mythic

[lusty grotto]

🙂

we will see

[onyx vessel]

One arm bandit hardest boss in the raid on mythic

[lusty grotto]

my guild is slow but steady

but ultimately it gets killed by no-shows

[toxic gyro]

Get house and 💣 suit from drop, jastor and bis from dinars

[lusty grotto]

so we'll see if we get there or not by the time those dinars come out

[onyx vessel]

20 people real hard part as season drags on

Add in we getting dinars less motivated

[lusty grotto]

yeah they are very casual so they dont really "quit", they just start missing raids etc

well not very casual

myth raid casual i guess

[onyx vessel]

Bombsuit hero track should be enough tbh

[toxic gyro]

Do we know how many boss kills we’ll need for one vendor item?