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nah quite a bit the strength of keep yer feet on the ground, strength of the mountain and being able to take fight through the flames far outweigh the 5% dr and 10% from demolish imo
if you say so
youre talking about passive DR
id say youre just not playing Colossus correctly
if u say so
Ur always wrong what can I say
youre not the first that compares to himself when that comparison can be flawed due to effective usage of cds, nor you will be the last
ok well theres 1 way to prove me wrong
he can link a log
as colossus
isnt that what youre doing?
nah
seems like it to me
not really im just saying mt is tankier and ur telling me to post logs and stuff XD
doing dmg > being tankier
also, living > doing damage, but dying
lol how do u know my base is flawed?
thane is easier to be tanky on, that much is true
i mean if thane was tankier, id say we would see a lot more thane
it’s more braindead
if you're not timing a key, it's not due to the 8% extra damage your colossus has over your MT
i promise
lol damage is more important in higher keys
thats why
so the difference between thane and colossus is only 8%? never more never less?
which is it then
we can all just say shit now

yeah id say we're just throwing shit at the fan to see what sticks at this point
agreed
MT isn’t even tankier
no no but it is
It’s just more electrical
(its what mrpeanut says)
It’s great conductor
looks like it
oof, lots of people having a bad day and being salty AF to random strangers here
780,019 more dps
Ur really mad aren’t u😂
congrats, play colossus and let other people enjoy playing thane don't immediately say others are bad at playing colossus because they prefer thane?
It’s ok man nobody is taking colossus away from you😂
Around what % vers do you want to be around?
any and none
fixed it, just for you
13.63% exactly
we dont have a specific number
okok, im at 4 %
see i can say it, because hes comparing with himself
just wondered if that is way too low
claiming something factually wrong
which is kind of misinformation
if you dont like it
ive been here for 6 years
there's other places
you can discuss whatever you want
but i aint gonna stop just because you feel attacked about it
🤷♂️
he literally said "i played thane and it felt pretty good, felt tankier"
you have a very low bar for what constitutes misinformation
okie
Oh we can tell bro😂
good 
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
I've heard being snarky is a surefire way to win arguments
Who cares about facts amirite
I am so glad I’m not alone
This is why you just won
Yeah, I always win Harrow come on
no, Ghash wins all the time
have i been here longer than u 😔
It’s all I see when one is in a message
thats the worst thing you've ever said to me
oof
I didn’t know you were a furry
if only facts could be presented without being snarky. say.. in a factual manner? one can only dream.
Nim was being perfectly polite until people started not being polite. And he was still making factual points.
if we didn’t pick fights over the tiniest things, all we’d do in here is say “sim yourself” and “check the pins”
Instead of just lolzbroiscrashingout type nonsense.
you gotta learn to enjoy it
Um he called me bad before I said that so negative he was rude first😂
How do you type messages through all the laughy tears you create
you mean the non-snarky alternatives? yeah, that sounda terrible. imagine how awful MrPeanut would have felt if someone would have told him "colossus is supposed to sim about 20% higher and be like 3% less tanky"
you know, instead of telling him "you're wrong because you're bad"
Truly an impressive feat
He did not call you bad. He said that you might have been playing colossus improperly after you claimed incorrectly that thane far outweighed the DR from colossus.
Hi
And said I have a flawed base
Meaning I’m bad
I’m not mad I’m just stating the facts
Man if only that’s how people here were
he didn't call me anything. except blind for misreading the tier 4pc, which fair
Meaning you're making mistakes. You just took it a lot worse than it was intended.
Blindness is to be expected anyway in prot land. Otherwise we wouldn't get to tell people that heroic leap resets taunt
No clue what this is about
no one ever needed that info
You bringing that up just makes it take longer till I forget 😂
well now who’s being snarky
And when he said enjoy paying for carries. I must have also misinterpreted that 🙁
oh no that was quite direct
but it wasnt addressed to you
but maybe i was wrong, someone was paying for carries earlier today and posting their drops, maybe it wasnt that person
I didn't say i wasn't. The difference is that i wasn't being snarky to someone who was just shooting the shit about how they enjoyed Thane, even if it was subjectively tankier and subjectively not much less dps for them
if we had just said 🙂👍 and left it at that then we wouldn’t have filled the past half hour, we need stimulation
My brother in Christ are you trying to shame me for choosing to spend 100k to get a guaranteed vault slot on a char that's been level 80 for 8 hours and will be played for between 0 and 20 hours until next reset?
also, i posted the 3 loot rolls i lost, not my drops
jfc
oh no, I'm not immediately tanking HC raids upon dinging 80. how dare i be such a pleb?
Real 👀
i was answering a question
i do pay raid boosts on alts who never gets played after 1 day too but i pay with boost gold
I need to figure out how to make gold with no time, 100k is a lot to me rn
just get a raid boe 🙂
My hand hurts
I tripped on a tiny bit of curb in front of the grocery store and faceplanted on the sidewalk earlier
Literally zero questions from MrPeanut between him posting and your "if you say so"
It sucked
oof
my gm sold one for 4m and we still somehow have to use personal pots after the first 20
noob alert
dear god
leech too stronk obviously
tbf i spent 400k on boe, 1 day before the season
just gotta hope for myth BoEs now since the hero track market might be dead
I just go into the raids and never loot the mobs and hope it gets sent to my mail, the GM will never get my money! (For legal reasons this is a joke)
idk that neck looks sexy for Arms
but holy fuck its how much
let me check
i never give boes i drop to my guild what are they gonna do, kick me?
cause i know DHs want it too
we first fought bc he wanted to sell, and we wanted to equip, and then we saw no items listed for neck, it was enough to convince 20 dudes
Yes there are
normal mode 400k
ah dead server
bro who is paying that
yup 4.5 mil, that sounds about right
so people will likely pay it
Gotta join one of them farm groups
It does!
rofl
Love it
i think i will craft a 658 item to grab a second embellish, i'm hesitating (but heavy on the cloak ofc)
I'm more geared than you
i wouldnt doubt it 
it's just im not sure if i want to lock my spark on the cloak, if i have dogshit vault next week (which is now very likely with so many myth slots) i could have crafted a chest / gloves and up to 675
hoooly
what is you pp ilvl ?
(my war is my alt)
not being 670 is cringe
true and real
my war is more geared than my dk lel (i took 4 vault tokens in his vault i didn't even filled 3 objectives)
that shit happens every single season i play nimchipadin
but alas im a single-toon player this season
i will 100% forget to sell the tokens and it will be auto sold for 10g, like every seasons
i'm a 2.5 char andy this season
druid can still grab 250 gilded crests
Pwar and bdk alt here
I have a cat but I barely do anything on that
664 on the pwar and 650 on the dk
exact same i just do 1-2 dungeons on rdruid, it's just big chilling char
In wowhead the first raid talent build is for Thane, is it because it's the recommended spec overall or is it a random ordering thing
Ez profile change
Scroll down, there is elaboration in the actual talent section
Yeah it mentions how thane plays spear and colossus plays roar but doesn't really says anything about one being better at X thing than the other
Iirc thane will theoretically do more st dps on paper in raid but everyone overwhelmingly plays colossus
I could be mis-remembering the thane numbers
thane edges out in long execute phases, but there arent any
its all theoretical anyway
Thane players 😎
the problem is most of the fights where execute might be impactful also have adds
and colossus does better with adds
and everyone plays colossus due to the cycle of everyone plays it so everyone plays it or does it have some advantage for the current raid fightrs
no
If thane were in reality better people would play thane where it was better
spear is more dps, but colossus (in keys) needs troar to gather mobs more effectively, whereas thane doesnt because of thunder blast with crackling
and also in order for spear to be more dps, you actually have to land it with CDs on everything, so the pull has to be done
Spear can be great in some cases
so its recommended to play spear in raid as colossus and in dungeons where pulls are more controlled
yeah I was writting
like ToP
I run spear in cinderbrew and top
You'd think that but many players don't go that far in the thinking line
So just checking
makes sense
Players generally play what parses well and people who are parsing well are playing what parses well
Thanks archon
Yes, exactly, lol
What is rec crafting order? I am used to crafting a weapon first
shield is the most impactful one
and then weapon
but it also depends on what you have available/vaults/etc
That seems odd to me because it is offhand, and for VDH a low priority. I guess this is just diff with PWarr
yeah but sometimes what parses well is not necessarilly the best, specially for tanks too, but I'm glad to see it is reliable in this case
its our only source of block value
which directly influences our most important active mit
cant really compare the two
Ok, yeh not used to having a block value I guess. For m+ should that second embellish go on the weapon (crafted second) or another low ilvl slot like you mentioned?
we use dusk/dawn
That’s only armor right
that goes on armor pieces and shields yea
Ok, so would it be worth extra dps on weapon second craft, or crafting an embellished item instead
up to you
Seems like embellishments dont have a ton of value overall
Typically you want to prioritize crafting embelished gear, and getting a good weapon from some other source as crafted is limited and the only way to embelish, but if you need a short term gain and have a very bad weapon you could do that first
shield first, then weapon
Thanks for help, sorry to bombard with questions that I am sure get asked a million times lol
With that said, one more- when it comes to simming, is dungeon slice accurate or so I stick to varying patchwerk targets/times?
dungeon slice "works" but its not optimized with the APL
do we still play thunderlord as colossus in m+
so 5t patchwerks 1.5m/1m is mostly better for sustained aoe
err
sorry not sustained, but like 2 cd cycles
3m/5m ST sims are also good
shouldn't tbh
Cool thanks
it'll desync demo, but people are running it
we asume its for the DR, which is the only thing that makes sense
when you say desync demo, are we supposed to be using demo at a specific time with other skills?
but since youre not using TC as much... its arguably not that good of a decision
demolish
yes with avatar and into a demolish
damn, i've been doing that wrong then, thanks for clarifying 🙂
its a damage buff with Booming Voice
so naturally you want to set it up with avatar to cover your hard hitters
Demo into ravager into Troar/spear and SC etc
with avatar up ideally
You can shield wall to get avatar for your demolish
yes but the mini wall doesnt cover the rest
so its an option, just not the most optimal
Wouldn’t recommend using wall for that if you have only 1 left
I know this is an old old pin, but is there a way to make the #showtooltip work for this?
I realized I was trying to talk about the icon, didn't mean the tooltip itself, which does work.
yeah i know what you meant
afaik showtooltip (which includes the icon) are able to be changed on talent changes, but not on whatever is currently up
i know there's a macro framework in WoW for longer macros, so maybe that works in a way
its hacky and outside of the default functionality though
i forget the name of the site
probably, but there was a website that had a builder in it
kind of a complementary thing to the addon itself
My stance macro changes and shows the off-one
Like, in defensive stance the icon is battle stance bc pressing it would cast battle stance
but it lets me know what stance I'm in
Does it not work that way for you?
i dont personally use the macro, but im positive thats not default functionality
#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2] Defensive Stance; [stance:1] Battle Stance
yeah thats different than the one pinned
and I don't have any addon for macros at all, just using elvUI and some random stuff like details and weakaura
elvui?
True, I had to go into my macros bc I did not remember the wording. But anyways, @chrome sapphire that one works for me at least without doing anything else
As long as you don't set an icon for the macro and leave the ? one, it should show the off-stance
That one works for prot and arms. Separate one but replacing battle with berserker for fury
Thank you, didnt realize (stupid of me) that I needed to keep it at ?
Yes, I think it should, even tho mine is slightly different it should not be the cause for icon functionality
i see
i assumed it wasnt gonna work since icons are usually broken AF with elvui
but then again ive been having problems with binds and bound stuff just completely disappearing on spec changes etc
so might be a me thing
That sounds weird, I've been using elvui for a long time now and I don't have any recurring issues. I would suggest fully reinstalling the addon. You can save your profiles to .txt just in case and then delete the whole of it and import them again
hell no
it just did those a few weeks ago, but whatever it was it stopped happening
it was just odd
swap from arms to prot and vice versa and shit that was bound completely disappeared and i had to rebind mid fight because i was so used to just going
and fucking weird considering i use hidden bars
Oh elvUI does have a spec-based approach to action bars I think it's normal
so i was like "why is this ability not going off"
nah
its not normal
trust me
i had to double check that i had use shared action bars on talent sets also
but also
macros with known: used to bug out icons in DF
i havent noticed lately if they do
ElvUI will save your action bars by spec, but having things disappear that were previously bound is definitely not intended behavior.
yeah
Is there a setting that is making me auto release when I die in M+
When I die in raid I have a weakaura that prevents it.
When in M+ I'm essentially instantly release to spawn at respawn point
try disabling that WA
the game's base settings have nothing that does auto release
err
i misworded that
there, fixed
no cvars either, so its probably a WA or an addon
would make sense
that leatrix does it i mean lol
but yeah its certainly something that people shouldn't want to do
Yea it kinda make sense in pvp only
Is “this is dunning kruger effect” the new “literally 1984” where idiots never seem to use it in the correct way😂
I just told a dk to please interrupt necrotic bolt and bro says “literally dunning kruger”
random question
does anyone know how badly signal strength decays w/ length of an ethernet cable
Not too bad I have a 40ft one and I almost get a gig download
im planning where my switch 2 is gonna sit on my desk and i think im gonna need like an 8 ft ethernet cable run
but if its not too bad idc
should be fine
data centers run it for 100 of feet, just buy a good (note: not overpriced good, but certified) cable
100s of feet
im ngl im not well educated on ethernet cable certifications
you want cat 6a
can u tell what a cable is rated by looking at it 🤔
monoprice cables are good and cheap
idk if the one im using for my pc is actually good or some shit i found in my drawer
cat 6... its over
but if you need to buy, monoprice.com has cheap and decent cables
im sure there are other places
even amazon basics are usually decent
i wouldnt worry about decay too much
and honestly cat 7s might be more than enough
i wonder if cat 6 is actually throttling me any cuz i still have almost gigabit speed
if im getting new cables anyway may as well upgrade
well cat 6 is a gig
over a 100 ft
so they are fine too
6a is 10gigs
gigabytes per second
so 6 is more than fine for you
i have...
5e
which is non-shielded but same speed as 6
and its fine
i guess at some point im gonna have to redo the cabling, fuck
and this one is a 100ft
Im also at 5e and probably aint gona switch anytime soon , like fastest provider in my country rn is like 1.2gig and thats like twice the price of 1gb
i have a pretty decent mesh with wifi6 ax but i still dont trust wifi
at least for gaming
its irrational though, i know its fine
Yea cable is cable , and honestly i dont even see a reason to go above gig rn
agreed
Ping is the only reason I'd never game on wifi. Not hugely important in wow but really important in other games
35 priories
with at least 2 additional classes with tank loot spec
i now have sunk cost fallacy for sure
I'm gonna curse you
you're gonna get the drop
but your very next vault will have a Myth one
i dont
recommended ilvl for a new prot warrior looking to tank 6-8s?
There isnt one, whatever your are comfortable doing it at
600 for +10 🙊
common yam W
XDDD
so vengeance isnt so OP to the point that prot warrior is trolling right?
No tank ever is
But rhe community doesnt care the higher u go the harder it will be trolling or not
guy got a drop 3 people wanted
I rolled a 92
and won
and he gave it to the second guy
Oof
I have a question if everyone spends their first dinar on the jastor wouldn’t everyone be theoretically just stealing everyone’s stats
Oh wait never mind u don’t steal it u just gain it i think mb
How do you guys rotate defensives on first boss priory? that bleed got me good yesterday on 11. I didn't die but on 12 / 13 i definetly wouldve died
got my answer, ty
ok now share cuz i need to know
spell block off cd, shield wall the bleed buster, spell reflect the divine judgement or w/e its called. Filler damage reduction with demo shout
Healer gotta pump and dispel
2nd boss mechagon tho
healers just refuse to dispel the dot and I get trucked for like 3 seconds
for no reason 😔
Well the group needs to be topped before the dispell
Play dwarf and self dispel, even if that means dps loss (you have to play thane, it's the dwarf spec
)
This. If someone is low,I will just throw a few passive heals on the tank until the person low is high enough for the dispell damage
Hi guys. I'm having trouble tanking Suleyman in Priory. I saw that he should be tanked on the first step of the fountain but maybe I'm positioning myself badly and the shield slam throws me away. Do you have any advice on how to position me better or do you know other ways to make my life (and healer's 😆 ) better?
I've been starting the dungeon by going to right stairs grabbing him immediately with a triple pull and lust. Putting him to the right of the stairs back against the ledge and side of stairs.
just take him to the big stairs imo
but yeah you have to stand right on the lip of the first step of the fountain
If u are just higher than him he doesnt hit u back
So if u stabd just a step above him u wont get knocked
I just pull him tot he big stairs and stand a step or 2 up
Knockback dude? Just charge back,free rage.
Ty all
Where is the 11.1.5 spec tunigng?
I ate it
they are still finalising all the warrior nerfs
Nooo
-100% warrior hp,
"Ignore pain has been changed to cause pain and procs randomly, inflicting 5% of your maximum health in damage"
Developer's note We want to reflect that warriors are battle hardened heroes that have many injuries and scars. We hope this exciting change brings more flavor to the game for all warriors!"
Thats based
We heard you blood dks and we are here to help bone shield has been given to warriors and shield block has been given to dks
Based bdk needs a buff anyways more damage for sure
They're just trying to figure out how to justify giving paladins bloodlust
I'd quit the game if they did that ngl
"we realised that paladins couldn't provide literally every piece of useful utility, so they now have "Crusader's Fervour" which is lust"
Tank him on the big steps instead
I whinge about getting shitters in pug a lot, but do you ever get those unicorn pug runs where everyone just plays sensibly, and the whole thing is super chill?
Just had one and it was very refreshing
That's most keys 10 and above tbh
Yeah every pug I’m in everyone else gets to experience a top shelf prot warrior
You're luckier than me, most of my 13s were full of people doing shit you wouldn't expect
its rare to not have at least one shitter, but yeah, ive it a few times where everyone just kicks, everyone knows what to do, very few deadly abilities get through, 0-2 deaths.......
Yeah, it's just...very refreshing, like I said 🙂
And then you say hi would you like to be friends
And they say yes please
And then you never talk to each other and forget who they are on your friends list
🤣
true!
I have loads of those
Be the change you want to see in the world
Message them first
I'm doing this pull as warr on 13s and its pretty smooth tbh
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just make sure ranged ppl in your party know to not stand too far so that sharpshooter jump into the deathball
toss the odd heroic throw on them to keep them interested in you, can always finish them off In the next pull with shaynmail
Don’t they shoot anyone
i think they have two types of shots
one at random member and one at threat target
either way they arent too dangerous, the traps are
you can also show your group that pull while its still m0 before you put the key in
in case it's an awkward pug
either way this pull is easier than it looks
tho I've only done it on 13 at the highest
or 12 actually
I don't remember which
still missing a few 13s
i guess it also depends on the healer
if you got spirit link this pull is trivial
Yeah
Tbh it's probably the better approach, just got to focus down the knight as the shout+thunderclap overlap can wreck you
And you need a healer who is awake.
Ty all for all advices
I’m having big issues on first boss of priory. Feels like I need a defensive every 2 seconds. This is in 11-13s. Don’t have issues with any other bosses
you might be using defensive for the add's ability. DBM calls it out. but you should use defensive for the boss's pierce armor only. also make sure you aren't accidentally hit by the spear, its very hard to notice it when you're at melee
I’m definitely not getting hit by the spear but I might be using walls too often because of DBM
aye, it calls out the caster add's spell that makes you take more damage
just look at boss's cast bar for pierce armor
Gotcha. That helps a ton. Thanks!
Sometimes DBM is a hinderance not a help.....ive fucked up on gally because it goes INTERRUPT so I kick the shield as a dps and the tank goes apeshit
i know i shouldnt, but its just a reflex at this point
yeah that's why I use bigwigs and turn half the shit off
I simply use timers and my brain
yeah i dont have the brain for that
dbm is too verbose though
bigwigs didnt tell me enough.....think last time I tried it was nathria?
also why we linking OneAzerothTV again
man has like a 15% completion rate of keys in any given season 😔
Have you guys played with spear at all
Lately I’ve been thinking of building into it
I main lock at 3.1 but warrior is 2800 atm and looking to push further with him
Much more fun. Spear appears like it has solid usages
But I could mistaken. The threat loss will be an issue tho right jakey?
Colossus struggles with snap aggro and our main dmg ability is small cone attack. TR is great for snap aggro and range on it is massive.
I see - def won’t swap off until in a bit more proficient
Seems like that swap into spear would be for more technical and proficient players lol
Its just slightly more damage really
The thether really doesnt give u anything because you dont hold it for the tether you will loose too much vakue from doing that to make it wirth while
i never liked spear simply cuz you can cast it on the god damn moon
by accident and maybe you needed the buff it was giving and now its not killing things...
ugh... spear why...
(old expansions and new, since it came out obviously not saying it come out in wod)
Just use spear in dungeons where gather is not a problem (brew, top)
You are just asking for struggle skipping troar in something like floodgate
Is there a lot of prot warriors doing mostly all of the party packs on mythic sprocket? Or is it mainly prot pally/blood dk cause it’s just easier for them.
I’ll def look into it again
Question for high-end Prot Warriors, do you think it’s too much of a sacrifice to not have dwarf/stoneform and go Night Elf for Meld? I’ve been weighing the pros/cons recently. Lots of dungeons have juicy Meld skips. Dwarf is also solid this season for some magic dots that’s are faster than your healer dispels and bleeds. Thoughts????
nah nelf has a lot of value this season
theres only 2 big bleeds you need to worry about
ML lieutenant, and priory 1st boss
There is a magic DoT on first boss Priory but that’s a healer job. Magic DoT in bee wing of Cinderbrew is a healer job. There is a bleed on puncture in Workshop and a bleed on the ML Lieutenant, yep. Anything else doesn’t hurt much.
it certainly helps for DFC and Cinderbrew first pulls though
you can dwarf both judgment and the bleed from Dailcry
but also highly depends on your route, cause i hear right side is a lot easier so less tank damage on Dailcry
a lot easier now
Haven’t seen a right side all season, not sure if that’s a thing.
Haha fair enough.
i did right side for the first weeks but Forge Master was kinda rough in pugs
now he's easier
and killing him means you dont get judgment on Dailcry, but a kick rotation
so just the bleed from Dailcry
so tl;dr: DFC first pull, Cinderbrew first room, Dailcry, Taskmaster (ML), Extractor Puncture (ML), Processing Unit Puncture (Work)
Bubbles can be skipped on water with sham/dk and shroud/invis pots. So that’s good.
No way to do workshop skip at end without meld unless you want to die + Rez.
No way to do Cinderbrew double hop goblin skip.
No way to do Motherlode skip at the end.
The worst one is Cinderbrew double hop IMO.
I think I can live with killing 1 pack at the end of WS and not having ML skips.
That’s a lot…
there's a lot of value for dwarf yea but there's also a lot for nelf, so either is fine, depends more on your comp than anything
Anyone running alts this season for key pushing? Kind of looking for something melee. Floating between outlaw and havoc.
@lusty grotto Yeah, I think it’s so close, I almost have to try and see what feels better. So used to dwarfing some of these bleeds and DoTs that I’m unsure how much they fully hurt without.
Tauren not Op? 😆
i mean realistically you only have stoneform for 1 bleed out of each encounter, so you should know how much they hurt
Seriousness this was helpful to read!
Only done up to 14 so far, but as a gnomie boi I've been able to manage all the bleeds/dots just fine, albeit with sweaty palms after haha. Biggest thing is just having healer on board to know when i have gaps for killer dots like that if they happen. But i know you getting into 15+ currently so take with grain of salt
yeah should be fine with proper play
realistically all stoneform does is eliminate a potential wall
so a little more leeway in defensive cd management
and i guess some momentary peace of mind for your healer
My waste processing units usually die before 2nd puncture with good dps. All my magic dots get dispelled. I have stoneform up 1st pull cinderbrew and DFC, the only bleed I consistently take natty is the one that gets reapplied by the ML lieutenant and that one hurts.
and Dailcry
im not sure why youre completely disregarding Dailcry bleed
its by far the most dangerous one
its garbage
Hmm, you only get 2 uses of dwarf that fight on a bleed that’s going to be on you every 15-20. Seconds. That’s probably why. You’re taking it natty 80% of the time.
its only an alt
Shield is close to top Prio for us lol, agree
wouldnt it be better to craft one
if you can farm hero tracks
yeah probably
craft one asap, take trinket for uppy discounts
yeah ive tanked through 10's on 637
right, we all did that
otherwise its crit high mastery ring
(5 weeks ago)
yy thank you its just a hilarious vault and i wasnt sure about this garbo shield
thanks for the tips 🙂
im orc but i hope more people go dorf and nelf personally. hopefully the racial usage becomes more and more important which will finally prompt blizz to nerf racials already annd maybe even just disable them in high end pve and rated pvp. you have no idea how much racials ruined world pvp due to how imbalanced it is now
and also every time i tank the miniboss in motherlode before 2nd boss i wish i was a dwarf
racials have become less and less important over 20 years, but a lot of people dont care about pvp cos its kinda pointless in wow
ok well some people still care about pvp and they cry out for disabling racials but due to the low participation of it, pvp players dont get heard. also the low interest in pvp is 100% blizzard's fault as they dont put enough effort in to make pvp something new people can realistically get into. but this is really off topic i guess
racials are important in high keys
well pvp in wow itsnt pvp, its just a "stop the other guy playing simulator"
thats the reason for that discussion in the first place
its not about pvp at all
its been this way for years
blizzard wont change it, outside of the last change they did with buffs to other racials
they print money from race changes
so why would they balance or do a racial overhaul
its nowhere near as big as it was back in the day, you were massively behind on dps if you werent a troll mage for example
it is
now its more utility/flavor
because bleeds exist
ok if you say so
and because meld mech skips and just route skips exist
but again this only applies for HIGH KEYS
yes im a dwarf, but there are ways around that.....you cant make up for berserking
at vault key level, you can just outgear shit
I'd much rather have them disabled in "high end" content (altho we would have to find exactly where "high end" start) than ruining the concept of racials for the sake of min-maxing
i guess if you want to push the high end, you always need to min max as that is the point
else everyone would just be doing it and it would just be normal
So guys I am new to tanking and have been able to tank +2, +3 even a +4 once but for some reason floodgate kicks my ass even on an m0. Particularly the first boss. I just cannot seem to get aggro on the second set of drones. Are we supposed to maintain aggro on them? I know they pot shot other people no matter what but it seems like they also have aggro and will go crazy on teammates if I don't pick them up.
yes youre supposed to maintain agro on them
you want them on boss so they get cleaved
not running all over
So basically from what I read, I should swap from Tauren to Dwarf/NE once I get to higher keys 15+
Or should I warstomp my way to victory
If you want to. It's certainly not required.
I thought so. They're so spread out though, that I end up wasting all of my rage trying to get them aggroed and don't have any defensives and get trucked by boss.
War stomp is frankly kind of trolling if you have other aoe stuns though
we're up to what 18s?
19
(That are being used)
there you go
True im at the 13 range now
this doesnt apply to you
I feel like I don’t often run with many stomps but I see more and more shamans now
honestly
Any advice for how to pick them up?
War stomp's stun is just Hella short
Do teammates need to stack on me?
save thunderous roar
So if you have other aoe stuns like leg sweep, chaos nova, etc., they are all more important to use
also I recommend a @mouseover macro for heroic throw
Fight it
any left side enjoyers?
I will stand by you even though I've never done the right side to have a preference
I enjoy left side, pumping meaningless AoE DPS on the smallies is fun
there isnt much difference between picking up adds on momma and gathering pulls
Ok got it
My raid team had a heroic rng stat ring from OAB drop last night with 6k haste and 1k crit.
The pug unholy dk won it 😦
ideally you all come up as a group through one side, so they all choose the same stairs to come up
Explains why I got insta-gibbed by them on my mage 
just cc em
I mean I had blizzard down. I just was too close to the pack because I didn't know
Why are we asking about priory right side
Did that nerf actually make right side better
I’ll try it out tonight
but im used to right side cause i trolled groups hard the first few weeks
I will try the right
What does the mini boss that runs over there do
Any YT vods
the hard part about right was always Damian
I can see before I pull that side
I go left and around the top
Yeah Damian cooked groups
I vod myself typically to see where I can improvement movement and cd wise
I watch Dorki and then get my friend group killed doing similar pulls and tell them they’re bad when we die because it def isn’t my fault :)
Wanted to do the right side route in floodtoo but a bit worried
i dont recommend doing right side if your (pug) group isnt capable of kick rotations
Okay that’s def helpful
cause thats whats gonna happen on Dailcry
Is Tough as Nails valuable at all? Anyone tried it?
Appreciate that tip
extremely minor dps gain
so small, spell block is better in all cases
Alright thanks 🙂
also considering the fact just about every tank buster is spell blockable this season
enough that we only need to learn which ones arent (thunderpunch)
Bro I had no idea so many things were spell blockable
That button collecting dust all this time
I am def going to revisit later today with a bunch of questions .
I am at work and can’t look at the talent trees
But I had a huge question about ravager
And how much threat does it generate
as much as the dps it does
the only ability that has threat modifiers is heroic throw
I see
but ravager slaps in big pulls + provides an influx of rage which is turned into revenges
which is turned into a boost in dps
I haven’t used it for so long so I just respecd into it before I left for work this morning
and dps = threat
I understand the conversion better now
Does anyone know if you still need to kill mug'zee for this skip or does killing bandit get the skip to bandit
Yeah I see your point
you do need to kill mugzee
Thanks
it just gives you different options for the skip itself now
Gotcha
I took indom off my raid build
So I have a free point and I went ravager
Is that better than spear without either talent after spear
what
but spear/troar are on the class tree
and ravager is on the spec tree
no indom in raid for ravager is good, i do it too
but that doesnt really change talents in the class tree
you should have spear with both sub nodes
Oh idk dude I’m still drinking my coffee
or troar with both sub nodes
I just know I took off indom and didn’t know if ravager was the best pick
I use t.roar with both sub nodes
its raid though, just pick spear
I don't seem to have nearly as much issue with any other boss in that dungeon, or even trash packs, but like I said even on m0 momma crunches me if I don't spam IP/block and I have no rage for threat generation for adds, or I try to get threat and get beat down. I tried like 7 pulls and just couldn't figure it out for some reason.
use spell block
you shouldnt be spamming IP, use your cooldowns
use your tools like in every pull
taunt, leap taunt reset, challenging
theres no reason why you should be losing threat
leap taunt reset?
I've had spell block talented for so long. Guess how many times I've used it (because I'm good at the game)
on cd
I may have pressed it once by accident because it's on a shift mod with my shield wall keybind
Lol
Listen, I am very knowledgeable but when it comes to pressing buttons, I'm basically a dachshund in a shirt
dachshunds are awesome
I try to spread my cooldowns out throughout the fight, while keeping shield block up. Even then I still have to spam IP, it seems like. Alright, will do, not at home at the moment but I've never heard of a taunt reset so that's pretty cool.
poor little mutant bastard dogs 😦
at least they arent pugs
true!
Dog breeders throughout history be like hey what if we made this cute af dog with guaranteed health problems.
labs are what a dog should look like to me, but they have pretty much guaranteed health problems too eventually
Sense who is rank 2 or 3 NA and 3.4K IO is playing human doing 16s and 17s… so it’s definitely do-able but you’re life will be way easier as Dwarf/Nelf.
Border Collies are the healthiest dog breed ever created.
I've had one for 10 years and he's never been sick, except the time he got into a can of hershey's chocolate powder and even then he only threw up a little.
human warrior best combo (i made my character when i was 10 over 17 years ago and i cant let it go 😔 )
that passive to get out of stuns does some work sometimes
I will die on the hill of play what you like best. Unless it's an elf and then idk you got problems
Jkjk
sense has historically played dwarf, he swapped to human only recently
its a game at the end of the day.....people sometimes forget that
Ravager feels amazing in big pulls to rage & damage but something that is overlooked is how it can be used as a ranged aggro tool. For example, in first pull workshop or floodgate, you can charge X2 + leap to the first 3 packs and throw ravager at the 4th.
you dont have to tell me
let nim know he is always looking to learn its okay
Nim let’s be study partners
but yes it can be useful that way
Meet you at the college library at 8
Isn't Sense's guild playing without prot pala
I just love the massive Tauren aesthetic
And you can use the human racial to avoid doing the gold fist on Mug'zee same as spellbop/bubble would
usually Mrs Sense plays druid
Been that way since tbc honestly
No clue how high the damage intake is though, I remember Reloe (the northern sky tank) was doing the human tech as prot pala to save a spellbop but almost died to the gold/fire ticks towards the end of p2
I guess it's a case of chain externals or just proc BSV on it
Yeah, it's still the stun removal
do you racial after taking the cone or before it to avoid it? or you mean you just eat the stun and racial out of it?
Gotcha
You eat the stun and then racial yeah
i end up taking the gold literally everytime in my guild and the downtime is cringe
awesome hell yeah ty
It means you basically have to sit in the fire (or wherever you're dropping the gold) for a while though
As if you start moving the gold starts getting dropped ofc
I mean I’ll end up swapping races
Once I actually encounter those higher keys tho and face the challenges
Big Tauren looking tough on the front lines always dope lol
This is the log from their best pull (that I could find quickly anyways) of him doing the fist https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a4Np2FXmjhAnPMq6?fight=37&source=2&type=auras&start=14954359&end=14969299
He procs BSV, has SW+Last Stand rolling, gets Ironbark and uses Bombsuit
Second one he seems to run around just like prot pala does (didn't check what he used for that though) and the very first fist he stood in disc Barrier, got Ironbark and had SW rolling
Pala would still very much be ideal for it - seems like you kinda have to drop a lot of damage (enduring defenses over Massacre, Punish over Juggernaut and such) but the boss won't be that big of a dps check longterm tbf
Just a case of every1 needs to live
Like I do 2.3 mill in intermission by prestacking Jugger
Okay big big big stupid question : how often are you weaving in impending victory lol
I feel like I do not hit it enough
And I fear that is a poor habit
uh whenever you need a little chunk of healing really at least thats what i do
not often
basically yeah with ignore pain and leech you kinda sustain decently well its really like a "oh woops more dmg than i thought lemme heal rq"
dont
I only use it when you actually need to be topped/get rid of an absorb fast or whatever
☝️
what both Izzy and Turtle said
we're not an HPS tank
dont look at HPS its not as useful a metric than other tnaks
Yeah sorry. Like I said I just keep looking things over to improve on
log
I just die and blame the healer we are not the same
And buttons pressed
That’s also true
Wrecking throw worth picking up for priory btw ?
For delcry shield and miniboss up top
ye is just to trinket the gold debuff stun
Also, does the bleed dmg from troar cause rage or just the ability
Don’t think thunderous roar gives any rage anymore if I recall correctly
The dailcry shield normally dies so quick it's not an issue IMO, and idk if worth for the last boss, as you'd need to give up something else.
I see - I understand
no
Yo, how is your M+ team dealing with bubbles? Water walk/Shroud/Invis?
& Do you play double hop goblin Cinderbrew?
Bubbles is easier to kill than to skip. Just stack and healer has to focus a bit.
No
lol
Skipping bubbles is giga easy
Pull into corner, once he does his frontal your team runs by and then you leap and meld
Ez pz
Night elf is very not niche this season
eh
its better than last season
maybe not so much as tank
but certainly for the rest of the group
That's like "LF VDH vs LF NE warr" in dungeon chat. Let's be real
Might as well just do it right
we skip with levitate / shroud
I mean you don’t even need to be a tank to do the bubbles skip
So I just watched a sense run of momma and it does look like people stack on boss and he did have a moment with one of the packs that spawned where it took him a second to get aggro. But with the macroing mousover heroic throw and the taunt reset, I bet I can improve a lot on this pull.
He should never hit whoever he is aggrod on with a melee
speaking of the devil
The stock market roller coaster is crazier this week than the last time I went to the amusement park
Idk blizz stocks to the moon with how good night elf is this season
Dwarf was a bait
lol
Legit I might do the swap on my warrior
....
I can count on one hand the amount of times stone form was actually important to me living
At least pay $30 for a night elf thirst trap
i think thats exactly what he means
Meld would be 10x more useful in just consistency with routing
Garbage group get garbage loot
If you have to meld to compensate, then maybe get better group
I don’t have to compensate
It’s just better to do it
Skipping the peacekeeper before 1st boss in motherlode is just better than pulling it
There’s more efficient stuff in the dungeon
You skip that by going right and jumping the wall ....
No you don’t
You can’t skip the peacekeeper right before the first boss without meld
Get warlock
Not the peacekeeper at the start of the dungeon silly
The one literally right in front of the boss room
Get warlock. Again
Tf is warlock going to do
Gate
Gate doesn’t prevent aggro
Unless there’s some new giga brain thing you can’t skip this with gate
You can skip it with meld
No
If I was a nelf I’d prob fat finger meld and get my party members killed and crap
You soothe the pack to the right and walk in the middle. Gate through
I see, I’d still need 2 classes that aren’t in the rotation of people I push keys with then

I just put it on something kinda difficult to fat finger
Wanna seem like a cool tank with meld skips
Like shift+C
Funny how shift c is my heroic leap
Not hard to hit, just hard to accidentally hit
Racial are shift z
Yeah fair enough mine is shift f and it’s not an easy button to press but just feel like I’d do it by accident at least once
lol
"vdh presses meld"
I just don’t feel like going alliance
Probably would have been mine if I didn’t have a D pad on my thumb

Feel like I’d lose all the horde crap I’ve collected
Hello
you wont
DH really is stupid man
Like warrior still my boy but just doing 14s for funsies on my 653 dh is like wtf
big
obligatory prot paladin
Ngl wish I could be famous and be in a gif
ok ill allow it LMAO
A class should not have that much sustain and mitigation unless of course they wanna give it to everyone 🙂
I wouldn’t mind that
I just love how its literally just one white swing in the back that one shots him
Good luck surviving bubbles for 5 seconds as a dps while your team skips. All meld skips are done with tanks right now. The dps will just be getting one shot.
He doesn’t hit you
I mained prot last season but took a break until now. Am I doing something wrong or is it normal to be rage starved with nothing to press now? Bc this is ass
are you tracking violent outburst and only using it with SS?
Prob pressing ip too much
By the time bubbles walks to where he’s supposed to be he does his frontal and you and everyone else just runs through the bridge while that’s happening
Naur
Most people I've asked if they track outburst say they don't, which is really the big rage problem
Wasn't necessary before I guess
rage economy was nerfed in s2
Why they do dat
with mt, and last season, using outburst on TC/TB was acceptable just because how much stronger they were for mt



