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next plover
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honestly it actually wasnt that bad it was like 8% less damage but quite a bit tankier

lusty grotto
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shouldnt be quite a bit tankier

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more like teeny tiny bit tankier

next plover
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nah quite a bit the strength of keep yer feet on the ground, strength of the mountain and being able to take fight through the flames far outweigh the 5% dr and 10% from demolish imo

lusty grotto
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if you say so

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youre talking about passive DR

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id say youre just not playing Colossus correctly

next plover
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if u say so

lusty grotto
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💯

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welcome to skyhold

alpine ravine
lusty grotto
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youre not the first that compares to himself when that comparison can be flawed due to effective usage of cds, nor you will be the last

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ok well theres 1 way to prove me wrong

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he can link a log

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as colossus

next plover
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bros crashing out cause someone disagreed with him 😂

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its not that deep

lusty grotto
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isnt that what youre doing?

next plover
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nah

lusty grotto
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seems like it to me

next plover
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not really im just saying mt is tankier and ur telling me to post logs and stuff XD

alpine ravine
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doing dmg > being tankier

lusty grotto
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well you see, when your base is flawed

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anything seems tankier

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thats the point

solemn depot
alpine ravine
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if ur dying its not a hero talent problem

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i promise

next plover
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lol how do u know my base is flawed?

mighty valley
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thane is easier to be tanky on, that much is true

lusty grotto
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i mean if thane was tankier, id say we would see a lot more thane

mighty valley
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it’s more braindead

lusty grotto
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its for rookies

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newcomers, thats who we recommend thane to

solemn depot
next plover
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thats why

lusty grotto
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idk Rurstomp just said it isnt

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but wait

alpine ravine
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so the difference between thane and colossus is only 8%? never more never less?

lusty grotto
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which is it then

mighty valley
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we can all just say shit now

warm plinth
lusty grotto
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yeah id say we're just throwing shit at the fan to see what sticks at this point

next plover
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i never once said colossus didnt do more damage?

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all i said was MT was tankier imo

solid sun
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MT isn’t even tankier

alpine ravine
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no no but it is

solid sun
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It’s just more electrical

alpine ravine
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(its what mrpeanut says)

solid sun
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It’s great conductor

lusty grotto
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is this 8%?

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lets do math

alpine ravine
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looks like it

solemn depot
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oof, lots of people having a bad day and being salty AF to random strangers here

lusty grotto
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780,019 more dps

next plover
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Ur really mad aren’t u😂

solemn depot
# lusty grotto 780,019 more dps

congrats, play colossus and let other people enjoy playing thane don't immediately say others are bad at playing colossus because they prefer thane?

lusty grotto
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i dont mind them playing thane

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reread the chat, and go pay your carries

next plover
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It’s ok man nobody is taking colossus away from you😂

solid sun
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You type messages like a vdh from Reddit

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Ha owned

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So owned

abstract python
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Around what % vers do you want to be around?

lusty grotto
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any and none

round cliff
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im at 4%

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big chillin

solemn depot
warm plinth
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13.63% exactly

lusty grotto
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we dont have a specific number

abstract python
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okok, im at 4 %

lusty grotto
abstract python
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just wondered if that is way too low

lusty grotto
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claiming something factually wrong

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which is kind of misinformation

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if you dont like it

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ive been here for 6 years

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there's other places

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you can discuss whatever you want

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but i aint gonna stop just because you feel attacked about it

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🤷‍♂️

solemn depot
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he literally said "i played thane and it felt pretty good, felt tankier"
you have a very low bar for what constitutes misinformation

lusty grotto
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okie

next plover
lusty grotto
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good okayge

mighty valley
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😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣

warm plinth
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I've heard being snarky is a surefire way to win arguments

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Who cares about facts amirite

solid sun
mighty valley
warm plinth
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Yeah, I always win Harrow come on

lusty grotto
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no, Ghash wins all the time

round cliff
solid sun
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It’s all I see when one is in a message

lusty grotto
round cliff
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thats the worst thing you've ever said to me

lusty grotto
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oof

solid sun
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I didn’t know you were a furry

solemn depot
warm plinth
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Nim was being perfectly polite until people started not being polite. And he was still making factual points.

mighty valley
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if we didn’t pick fights over the tiniest things, all we’d do in here is say “sim yourself” and “check the pins”

warm plinth
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Instead of just lolzbroiscrashingout type nonsense.

mighty valley
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you gotta learn to enjoy it

lusty grotto
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i had to bait it cause i knew it was coming

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its only my duty

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😎

solid sun
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Very true

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I can only read “check the pins” so many times

next plover
solid sun
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How do you type messages through all the laughy tears you create

solemn depot
solid sun
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Truly an impressive feat

warm plinth
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He did not call you bad. He said that you might have been playing colossus improperly after you claimed incorrectly that thane far outweighed the DR from colossus.

sharp gale
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Hi

next plover
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And said I have a flawed base

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Meaning I’m bad

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I’m not mad I’m just stating the facts

small steeple
solemn depot
warm plinth
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Meaning you're making mistakes. You just took it a lot worse than it was intended.

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Blindness is to be expected anyway in prot land. Otherwise we wouldn't get to tell people that heroic leap resets taunt

small steeple
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No clue what this is about

small steeple
mighty valley
next plover
lusty grotto
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oh no that was quite direct

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but it wasnt addressed to you

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but maybe i was wrong, someone was paying for carries earlier today and posting their drops, maybe it wasnt that person

solemn depot
# mighty valley well now who’s being snarky

I didn't say i wasn't. The difference is that i wasn't being snarky to someone who was just shooting the shit about how they enjoyed Thane, even if it was subjectively tankier and subjectively not much less dps for them

mighty valley
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if we had just said 🙂👍 and left it at that then we wouldn’t have filled the past half hour, we need stimulation

solemn depot
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oh no, I'm not immediately tanking HC raids upon dinging 80. how dare i be such a pleb?

lusty grotto
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i was answering a question

sharp gale
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i do pay raid boosts on alts who never gets played after 1 day too but i pay with boost gold

lusty grotto
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or clarifying, rather

mighty valley
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I need to figure out how to make gold with no time, 100k is a lot to me rn

lusty grotto
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just get a raid boe 🙂

warm plinth
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My hand hurts

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I tripped on a tiny bit of curb in front of the grocery store and faceplanted on the sidewalk earlier

solemn depot
warm plinth
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It sucked

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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i sold a mail helm with leech for 800k

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hero track

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LMAOOOOO

mighty valley
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dear god

warm plinth
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leech too stronk obviously

sharp gale
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tbf i spent 400k on boe, 1 day before the season

lusty grotto
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just gotta hope for myth BoEs now since the hero track market might be dead

cerulean crystal
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I just go into the raids and never loot the mobs and hope it gets sent to my mail, the GM will never get my money! (For legal reasons this is a joke)

lusty grotto
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but holy fuck its how much

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let me check

alpine ravine
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i never give boes i drop to my guild what are they gonna do, kick me?

lusty grotto
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cause i know DHs want it too

sharp gale
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we first fought bc he wanted to sell, and we wanted to equip, and then we saw no items listed for neck, it was enough to convince 20 dudes

lusty grotto
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Undermine Merc's Dog Tags

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oh theres none in the NA AH

alpine ravine
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Yes there are

lusty grotto
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normal mode 400k

alpine ravine
lusty grotto
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ah dead server

cerulean crystal
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bro who is paying that

lusty grotto
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yup 4.5 mil, that sounds about right

alpine ravine
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7m has avoidance

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everything else base

lusty grotto
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its BIS for HDH

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and kinda BiS for Arms

warm plinth
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Remember when we had a website created just for raid BoEs keks

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I bet it still exists

lusty grotto
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so people will likely pay it

alpine ravine
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Gotta join one of them farm groups

warm plinth
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It does!

lusty grotto
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rofl

warm plinth
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Love it

sharp gale
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i think i will craft a 658 item to grab a second embellish, i'm hesitating (but heavy on the cloak ofc)

lusty grotto
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youre more geared than me Happy

warm plinth
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I'm more geared than you

lusty grotto
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i wouldnt doubt it sadge

sharp gale
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it's just im not sure if i want to lock my spark on the cloak, if i have dogshit vault next week (which is now very likely with so many myth slots) i could have crafted a chest / gloves and up to 675

warm plinth
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I'm like 620ish

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massive

lusty grotto
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hoooly

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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im 666 equipped, 🤘

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err

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non-equipped

sharp gale
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(my war is my alt)

lusty grotto
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yes i know

alpine ravine
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not being 670 is cringe

lusty grotto
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true and real

sharp gale
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my war is more geared than my dk lel (i took 4 vault tokens in his vault i didn't even filled 3 objectives)

lusty grotto
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that shit happens every single season i play nimchipadin

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but alas im a single-toon player this season

sharp gale
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i will 100% forget to sell the tokens and it will be auto sold for 10g, like every seasons

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i'm a 2.5 char andy this season

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druid can still grab 250 gilded crests

solid sun
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Pwar and bdk alt here

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I have a cat but I barely do anything on that

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664 on the pwar and 650 on the dk

sharp gale
lavish rose
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In wowhead the first raid talent build is for Thane, is it because it's the recommended spec overall or is it a random ordering thing

next plover
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Ez profile change

frosty mango
lavish rose
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Yeah it mentions how thane plays spear and colossus plays roar but doesn't really says anything about one being better at X thing than the other

frosty mango
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Iirc thane will theoretically do more st dps on paper in raid but everyone overwhelmingly plays colossus

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I could be mis-remembering the thane numbers

lusty grotto
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thane edges out in long execute phases, but there arent any

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its all theoretical anyway

next plover
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Thane players 😎

lusty grotto
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the problem is most of the fights where execute might be impactful also have adds

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and colossus does better with adds

lavish rose
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and everyone plays colossus due to the cycle of everyone plays it so everyone plays it or does it have some advantage for the current raid fightrs

solid sun
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He already answered that

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Silly goose

frosty mango
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If thane were in reality better people would play thane where it was better

lusty grotto
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and also in order for spear to be more dps, you actually have to land it with CDs on everything, so the pull has to be done

frosty mango
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Spear can be great in some cases

lusty grotto
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so its recommended to play spear in raid as colossus and in dungeons where pulls are more controlled

lavish rose
lusty grotto
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like ToP

frosty mango
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I run spear in cinderbrew and top

lavish rose
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So just checking

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makes sense

frosty mango
solid sun
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Thanks archon

frosty mango
limber kraken
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What is rec crafting order? I am used to crafting a weapon first

lusty grotto
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shield is the most impactful one

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and then weapon

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but it also depends on what you have available/vaults/etc

limber kraken
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That seems odd to me because it is offhand, and for VDH a low priority. I guess this is just diff with PWarr

lavish rose
lusty grotto
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its our only source of block value

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which directly influences our most important active mit

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cant really compare the two

limber kraken
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Ok, yeh not used to having a block value I guess. For m+ should that second embellish go on the weapon (crafted second) or another low ilvl slot like you mentioned?

lusty grotto
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we use dusk/dawn

limber kraken
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That’s only armor right

lusty grotto
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that goes on armor pieces and shields yea

limber kraken
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Ok, so would it be worth extra dps on weapon second craft, or crafting an embellished item instead

lusty grotto
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up to you

limber kraken
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Seems like embellishments dont have a ton of value overall

lusty grotto
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embelishments dont add that much dps really

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yea

lavish rose
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Typically you want to prioritize crafting embelished gear, and getting a good weapon from some other source as crafted is limited and the only way to embelish, but if you need a short term gain and have a very bad weapon you could do that first

lusty grotto
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shield first, then weapon

limber kraken
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Thanks for help, sorry to bombard with questions that I am sure get asked a million times lol

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With that said, one more- when it comes to simming, is dungeon slice accurate or so I stick to varying patchwerk targets/times?

lusty grotto
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dungeon slice "works" but its not optimized with the APL

alpine ravine
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do we still play thunderlord as colossus in m+

lusty grotto
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so 5t patchwerks 1.5m/1m is mostly better for sustained aoe

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err

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sorry not sustained, but like 2 cd cycles

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3m/5m ST sims are also good

lusty grotto
limber kraken
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Cool thanks

lusty grotto
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it'll desync demo, but people are running it

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we asume its for the DR, which is the only thing that makes sense

hollow citrus
lusty grotto
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but since youre not using TC as much... its arguably not that good of a decision

lusty grotto
hollow citrus
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damn, i've been doing that wrong then, thanks for clarifying 🙂

lusty grotto
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its a damage buff with Booming Voice

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so naturally you want to set it up with avatar to cover your hard hitters

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Demo into ravager into Troar/spear and SC etc

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with avatar up ideally

sharp gale
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You can shield wall to get avatar for your demolish

lusty grotto
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yes but the mini wall doesnt cover the rest

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so its an option, just not the most optimal

sharp gale
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Wouldn’t recommend using wall for that if you have only 1 left

chrome sapphire
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I know this is an old old pin, but is there a way to make the #showtooltip work for this?

lusty grotto
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poor marok getting a ping

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afaik, no

chrome sapphire
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I realized I was trying to talk about the icon, didn't mean the tooltip itself, which does work.

lusty grotto
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yeah i know what you meant

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afaik showtooltip (which includes the icon) are able to be changed on talent changes, but not on whatever is currently up

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i know there's a macro framework in WoW for longer macros, so maybe that works in a way

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its hacky and outside of the default functionality though

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i forget the name of the site

small steeple
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Mega Maacro?

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It lets macros be longer I think

lusty grotto
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probably, but there was a website that had a builder in it

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kind of a complementary thing to the addon itself

lavish rose
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My stance macro changes and shows the off-one

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Like, in defensive stance the icon is battle stance bc pressing it would cast battle stance

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but it lets me know what stance I'm in

lavish rose
lusty grotto
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i dont personally use the macro, but im positive thats not default functionality

lavish rose
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#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2] Defensive Stance; [stance:1] Battle Stance

lusty grotto
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yeah thats different than the one pinned

lavish rose
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and I don't have any addon for macros at all, just using elvUI and some random stuff like details and weakaura

lusty grotto
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elvui?

lavish rose
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As long as you don't set an icon for the macro and leave the ? one, it should show the off-stance

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That one works for prot and arms. Separate one but replacing battle with berserker for fury

chrome sapphire
lusty grotto
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oh

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then default macro should work

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err pinned macro

lavish rose
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Yes, I think it should, even tho mine is slightly different it should not be the cause for icon functionality

lusty grotto
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i see

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i assumed it wasnt gonna work since icons are usually broken AF with elvui

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but then again ive been having problems with binds and bound stuff just completely disappearing on spec changes etc

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so might be a me thing

lavish rose
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That sounds weird, I've been using elvui for a long time now and I don't have any recurring issues. I would suggest fully reinstalling the addon. You can save your profiles to .txt just in case and then delete the whole of it and import them again

lusty grotto
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hell no

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it just did those a few weeks ago, but whatever it was it stopped happening

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it was just odd

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swap from arms to prot and vice versa and shit that was bound completely disappeared and i had to rebind mid fight because i was so used to just going

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and fucking weird considering i use hidden bars

lavish rose
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Oh elvUI does have a spec-based approach to action bars I think it's normal

lusty grotto
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so i was like "why is this ability not going off"

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nah

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its not normal

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trust me

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i had to double check that i had use shared action bars on talent sets also

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but also

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macros with known: used to bug out icons in DF

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i havent noticed lately if they do

warm plinth
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ElvUI will save your action bars by spec, but having things disappear that were previously bound is definitely not intended behavior.

lusty grotto
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yeah

idle copper
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Is there a setting that is making me auto release when I die in M+
When I die in raid I have a weakaura that prevents it.
When in M+ I'm essentially instantly release to spawn at respawn point

lusty grotto
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try disabling that WA

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the game's base settings have nothing that does auto release

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err

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i misworded that

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there, fixed

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no cvars either, so its probably a WA or an addon

neon elk
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Iirc leatrix can do that

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But im not sure insta release is good idea at all times

lusty grotto
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would make sense

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that leatrix does it i mean lol

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but yeah its certainly something that people shouldn't want to do

neon elk
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Yea it kinda make sense in pvp only

next plover
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Is “this is dunning kruger effect” the new “literally 1984” where idiots never seem to use it in the correct way😂

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I just told a dk to please interrupt necrotic bolt and bro says “literally dunning kruger”

round cliff
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random question

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does anyone know how badly signal strength decays w/ length of an ethernet cable

next plover
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Not too bad I have a 40ft one and I almost get a gig download

round cliff
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im planning where my switch 2 is gonna sit on my desk and i think im gonna need like an 8 ft ethernet cable run

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but if its not too bad idc

lusty grotto
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should be fine

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data centers run it for 100 of feet, just buy a good (note: not overpriced good, but certified) cable

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100s of feet

round cliff
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im ngl im not well educated on ethernet cable certifications

lusty grotto
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you want cat 6a

round cliff
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can u tell what a cable is rated by looking at it 🤔

lusty grotto
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monoprice cables are good and cheap

round cliff
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idk if the one im using for my pc is actually good or some shit i found in my drawer

lusty grotto
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it says the cat on the side

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along its length

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if its old, it might have faded

round cliff
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cat 6... its over

lusty grotto
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im sure there are other places

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even amazon basics are usually decent

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i wouldnt worry about decay too much

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and honestly cat 7s might be more than enough

round cliff
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i wonder if cat 6 is actually throttling me any cuz i still have almost gigabit speed

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if im getting new cables anyway may as well upgrade

lusty grotto
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well cat 6 is a gig

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over a 100 ft

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so they are fine too

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6a is 10gigs

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gigabytes per second

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so 6 is more than fine for you

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i have...

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5e

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which is non-shielded but same speed as 6

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and its fine

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i guess at some point im gonna have to redo the cabling, fuck

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and this one is a 100ft

neon elk
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Im also at 5e and probably aint gona switch anytime soon , like fastest provider in my country rn is like 1.2gig and thats like twice the price of 1gb

lusty grotto
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i have a pretty decent mesh with wifi6 ax but i still dont trust wifi

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at least for gaming

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its irrational though, i know its fine

neon elk
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Yea cable is cable , and honestly i dont even see a reason to go above gig rn

lusty grotto
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agreed

warm plinth
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Ping is the only reason I'd never game on wifi. Not hugely important in wow but really important in other games

lusty grotto
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35 priories

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with at least 2 additional classes with tank loot spec

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i now have sunk cost fallacy for sure

round pendant
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I'm gonna curse you

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you're gonna get the drop

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but your very next vault will have a Myth one

onyx vessel
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He opens as arms

lusty grotto
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i dont

toxic karma
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recommended ilvl for a new prot warrior looking to tank 6-8s?

round pendant
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620+

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oh new

jagged pier
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There isnt one, whatever your are comfortable doing it at

round pendant
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uh 630+ ig

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basically doesn't matter keep shieldblock up and win

sand condor
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600 for +10 🙊

next plover
toxic karma
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so vengeance isnt so OP to the point that prot warrior is trolling right?

jagged pier
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No tank ever is

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But rhe community doesnt care the higher u go the harder it will be trolling or not

round pendant
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guy got a drop 3 people wanted

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I rolled a 92

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and won

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and he gave it to the second guy

next plover
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Oof

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I have a question if everyone spends their first dinar on the jastor wouldn’t everyone be theoretically just stealing everyone’s stats

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Oh wait never mind u don’t steal it u just gain it i think mb

wintry nymph
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How do you guys rotate defensives on first boss priory? that bleed got me good yesterday on 11. I didn't die but on 12 / 13 i definetly wouldve died

wintry nymph
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got my answer, ty

oak ivy
cerulean olive
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spell block off cd, shield wall the bleed buster, spell reflect the divine judgement or w/e its called. Filler damage reduction with demo shout

round pendant
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I've always just kinda yolo'd that fight

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never noticed it hurting much

hardy snow
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Healer gotta pump and dispel

round pendant
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2nd boss mechagon tho

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healers just refuse to dispel the dot and I get trucked for like 3 seconds

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for no reason 😔

jagged pier
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Well the group needs to be topped before the dispell

lime mantle
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Play dwarf and self dispel, even if that means dps loss (you have to play thane, it's the dwarf spec warriorbrain )

ionic fern
hot orbit
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Hi guys. I'm having trouble tanking Suleyman in Priory. I saw that he should be tanked on the first step of the fountain but maybe I'm positioning myself badly and the shield slam throws me away. Do you have any advice on how to position me better or do you know other ways to make my life (and healer's 😆 ) better?

naive panther
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I've been starting the dungeon by going to right stairs grabbing him immediately with a triple pull and lust. Putting him to the right of the stairs back against the ledge and side of stairs.

round pendant
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just take him to the big stairs imo

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but yeah you have to stand right on the lip of the first step of the fountain

jagged pier
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If u are just higher than him he doesnt hit u back

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So if u stabd just a step above him u wont get knocked

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I just pull him tot he big stairs and stand a step or 2 up

ionic fern
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Knockback dude? Just charge back,free rage.

hot orbit
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Ty all

lofty warren
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Where is the 11.1.5 spec tunigng?

sweet summit
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I ate it

mortal cypress
lofty warren
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Nooo

sand condor
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-100% warrior hp,

mortal cypress
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"Ignore pain has been changed to cause pain and procs randomly, inflicting 5% of your maximum health in damage"
Developer's note We want to reflect that warriors are battle hardened heroes that have many injuries and scars. We hope this exciting change brings more flavor to the game for all warriors!"

sand condor
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Thats based

next plover
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We heard you blood dks and we are here to help bone shield has been given to warriors and shield block has been given to dks

jagged pier
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Based bdk needs a buff anyways more damage for sure

unborn island
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They're just trying to figure out how to justify giving paladins bloodlust

round pendant
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I'd quit the game if they did that ngl

solid sun
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Paladins need something cause they suck

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:)

unborn island
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"we realised that paladins couldn't provide literally every piece of useful utility, so they now have "Crusader's Fervour" which is lust"

idle copper
solid sun
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I get him in that corner

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Put him in a headlock

unborn island
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I whinge about getting shitters in pug a lot, but do you ever get those unicorn pug runs where everyone just plays sensibly, and the whole thing is super chill?

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Just had one and it was very refreshing

round pendant
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That's most keys 10 and above tbh

solid sun
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Yeah every pug I’m in everyone else gets to experience a top shelf prot warrior

unborn island
mortal cypress
unborn island
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Yeah, it's just...very refreshing, like I said 🙂

solid sun
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And then you say hi would you like to be friends

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And they say yes please

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And then you never talk to each other and forget who they are on your friends list

mortal cypress
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true!

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I have loads of those

round pendant
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Message them first

solid sun
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I probably have an amateur mdi team somewhere in my friends list

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Untapped potential

vital vale
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time stamped

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just make sure ranged ppl in your party know to not stand too far so that sharpshooter jump into the deathball

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toss the odd heroic throw on them to keep them interested in you, can always finish them off In the next pull with shaynmail

solid sun
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Don’t they shoot anyone

vital vale
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i think they have two types of shots

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one at random member and one at threat target

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either way they arent too dangerous, the traps are

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you can also show your group that pull while its still m0 before you put the key in

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in case it's an awkward pug

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either way this pull is easier than it looks

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tho I've only done it on 13 at the highest

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or 12 actually

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I don't remember which

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still missing a few 13s

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i guess it also depends on the healer

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if you got spirit link this pull is trivial

unborn island
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Yeah

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Tbh it's probably the better approach, just got to focus down the knight as the shout+thunderclap overlap can wreck you

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And you need a healer who is awake.

hot orbit
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Ty all for all advices

vocal pewter
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I’m having big issues on first boss of priory. Feels like I need a defensive every 2 seconds. This is in 11-13s. Don’t have issues with any other bosses

vital vale
vocal pewter
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I’m definitely not getting hit by the spear but I might be using walls too often because of DBM

vital vale
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aye, it calls out the caster add's spell that makes you take more damage

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just look at boss's cast bar for pierce armor

vocal pewter
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Gotcha. That helps a ton. Thanks!

mortal cypress
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Sometimes DBM is a hinderance not a help.....ive fucked up on gally because it goes INTERRUPT so I kick the shield as a dps and the tank goes apeshit

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i know i shouldnt, but its just a reflex at this point

round pendant
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yeah that's why I use bigwigs and turn half the shit off

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I simply use timers and my brain

mortal cypress
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yeah i dont have the brain for that

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dbm is too verbose though

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bigwigs didnt tell me enough.....think last time I tried it was nathria?

round pendant
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also why we linking OneAzerothTV again

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man has like a 15% completion rate of keys in any given season 😔

mortal cypress
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idk what that is

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oh the video above

mortal edge
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Have you guys played with spear at all

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Lately I’ve been thinking of building into it

jagged pier
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Ye

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U have less inital threat tho

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Got to keep that in mind

mortal edge
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I main lock at 3.1 but warrior is 2800 atm and looking to push further with him

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Much more fun. Spear appears like it has solid usages

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But I could mistaken. The threat loss will be an issue tho right jakey?

toxic gyro
mortal edge
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I see - def won’t swap off until in a bit more proficient

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Seems like that swap into spear would be for more technical and proficient players lol

jagged pier
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Its just slightly more damage really

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The thether really doesnt give u anything because you dont hold it for the tether you will loose too much vakue from doing that to make it wirth while

tribal wharf
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i never liked spear simply cuz you can cast it on the god damn moon

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by accident and maybe you needed the buff it was giving and now its not killing things...

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ugh... spear why...

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(old expansions and new, since it came out obviously not saying it come out in wod)

frosty mango
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Just use spear in dungeons where gather is not a problem (brew, top)

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You are just asking for struggle skipping troar in something like floodgate

deep wharf
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Is there a lot of prot warriors doing mostly all of the party packs on mythic sprocket? Or is it mainly prot pally/blood dk cause it’s just easier for them.

lusty grotto
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its spell blockable so yeah its easy for us

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spell blockable only, not blockable

mortal edge
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I’ll def look into it again

gentle violet
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Question for high-end Prot Warriors, do you think it’s too much of a sacrifice to not have dwarf/stoneform and go Night Elf for Meld? I’ve been weighing the pros/cons recently. Lots of dungeons have juicy Meld skips. Dwarf is also solid this season for some magic dots that’s are faster than your healer dispels and bleeds. Thoughts????

lusty grotto
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nah nelf has a lot of value this season

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theres only 2 big bleeds you need to worry about

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ML lieutenant, and priory 1st boss

gentle violet
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There is a magic DoT on first boss Priory but that’s a healer job. Magic DoT in bee wing of Cinderbrew is a healer job. There is a bleed on puncture in Workshop and a bleed on the ML Lieutenant, yep. Anything else doesn’t hurt much.

lusty grotto
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it certainly helps for DFC and Cinderbrew first pulls though

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you can dwarf both judgment and the bleed from Dailcry

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but also highly depends on your route, cause i hear right side is a lot easier so less tank damage on Dailcry

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a lot easier now

gentle violet
lusty grotto
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probably because youre the tank

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and you havent done right side

gentle violet
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Haha fair enough.

lusty grotto
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i did right side for the first weeks but Forge Master was kinda rough in pugs

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now he's easier

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and killing him means you dont get judgment on Dailcry, but a kick rotation

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so just the bleed from Dailcry

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so tl;dr: DFC first pull, Cinderbrew first room, Dailcry, Taskmaster (ML), Extractor Puncture (ML), Processing Unit Puncture (Work)

gentle violet
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Bubbles can be skipped on water with sham/dk and shroud/invis pots. So that’s good.

No way to do workshop skip at end without meld unless you want to die + Rez.

No way to do Cinderbrew double hop goblin skip.

No way to do Motherlode skip at the end.

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The worst one is Cinderbrew double hop IMO.

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I think I can live with killing 1 pack at the end of WS and not having ML skips.

lusty grotto
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there's a lot of value for dwarf yea but there's also a lot for nelf, so either is fine, depends more on your comp than anything

vocal pewter
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Anyone running alts this season for key pushing? Kind of looking for something melee. Floating between outlaw and havoc.

gentle violet
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@lusty grotto Yeah, I think it’s so close, I almost have to try and see what feels better. So used to dwarfing some of these bleeds and DoTs that I’m unsure how much they fully hurt without.

mortal edge
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Tauren not Op? 😆

lusty grotto
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i mean realistically you only have stoneform for 1 bleed out of each encounter, so you should know how much they hurt

mortal edge
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Seriousness this was helpful to read!

woven radish
lusty grotto
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yeah should be fine with proper play

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realistically all stoneform does is eliminate a potential wall

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so a little more leeway in defensive cd management

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and i guess some momentary peace of mind for your healer

gentle violet
lusty grotto
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and Dailcry

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im not sure why youre completely disregarding Dailcry bleed

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its by far the most dangerous one

rain sapphire
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do i?

lusty grotto
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its garbage

gentle violet
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Hmm, you only get 2 uses of dwarf that fight on a bleed that’s going to be on you every 15-20. Seconds. That’s probably why. You’re taking it natty 80% of the time.

rain sapphire
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thank you

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extreme garbo as well

lusty grotto
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well

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what track is your shield?

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you may not have a choice

rain sapphire
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last season track

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xD

lusty grotto
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holy fuck

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ok take shield

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but replace asap

rain sapphire
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its only an alt

gentle violet
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Shield is close to top Prio for us lol, agree

rain sapphire
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wouldnt it be better to craft one

lusty grotto
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if you can farm hero tracks

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yeah probably

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craft one asap, take trinket for uppy discounts

rain sapphire
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yeah ive tanked through 10's on 637

lusty grotto
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right, we all did that

rain sapphire
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otherwise its crit high mastery ring

lusty grotto
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(5 weeks ago)

rain sapphire
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ive got 11 characters to do that

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this one came late

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xD

lusty grotto
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you keep adding stuff so...

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just sim

rain sapphire
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yy thank you its just a hilarious vault and i wasnt sure about this garbo shield

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thanks for the tips 🙂

vital vale
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and also every time i tank the miniboss in motherlode before 2nd boss i wish i was a dwarf

mortal cypress
vital vale
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ok well some people still care about pvp and they cry out for disabling racials but due to the low participation of it, pvp players dont get heard. also the low interest in pvp is 100% blizzard's fault as they dont put enough effort in to make pvp something new people can realistically get into. but this is really off topic i guess

lusty grotto
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racials are important in high keys

mortal cypress
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well pvp in wow itsnt pvp, its just a "stop the other guy playing simulator"

lusty grotto
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thats the reason for that discussion in the first place

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its not about pvp at all

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its been this way for years

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blizzard wont change it, outside of the last change they did with buffs to other racials

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they print money from race changes

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so why would they balance or do a racial overhaul

mortal cypress
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its nowhere near as big as it was back in the day, you were massively behind on dps if you werent a troll mage for example

lusty grotto
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it is

mortal cypress
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now its more utility/flavor

lusty grotto
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because bleeds exist

mortal cypress
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ok if you say so

lusty grotto
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and because meld mech skips and just route skips exist

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but again this only applies for HIGH KEYS

mortal cypress
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yes im a dwarf, but there are ways around that.....you cant make up for berserking

lusty grotto
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at vault key level, you can just outgear shit

ocean smelt
mortal cypress
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i guess if you want to push the high end, you always need to min max as that is the point

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else everyone would just be doing it and it would just be normal

lusty grotto
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yes thats why he prefaced it

heady nimbus
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So guys I am new to tanking and have been able to tank +2, +3 even a +4 once but for some reason floodgate kicks my ass even on an m0. Particularly the first boss. I just cannot seem to get aggro on the second set of drones. Are we supposed to maintain aggro on them? I know they pot shot other people no matter what but it seems like they also have aggro and will go crazy on teammates if I don't pick them up.

lusty grotto
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yes youre supposed to maintain agro on them

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you want them on boss so they get cleaved

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not running all over

mortal edge
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So basically from what I read, I should swap from Tauren to Dwarf/NE once I get to higher keys 15+

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Or should I warstomp my way to victory

warm plinth
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If you want to. It's certainly not required.

heady nimbus
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I thought so. They're so spread out though, that I end up wasting all of my rage trying to get them aggroed and don't have any defensives and get trucked by boss.

lusty grotto
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there's not a range Vornn

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its high end key pushing

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15 isnt high anymore

warm plinth
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War stomp is frankly kind of trolling if you have other aoe stuns though

lusty grotto
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we're up to what 18s?

ocean smelt
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19

warm plinth
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(That are being used)

lusty grotto
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there you go

mortal edge
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True im at the 13 range now

lusty grotto
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this doesnt apply to you

mortal edge
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I feel like I don’t often run with many stomps but I see more and more shamans now

lusty grotto
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honestly

heady nimbus
warm plinth
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War stomp's stun is just Hella short

heady nimbus
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Do teammates need to stack on me?

vital vale
warm plinth
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So if you have other aoe stuns like leg sweep, chaos nova, etc., they are all more important to use

round pendant
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Guess I gotta learn right side priory route

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😔

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I hate learning things

warm plinth
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Don't do it

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Rebel

vital vale
warm plinth
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Fight it

round pendant
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any left side enjoyers?

warm plinth
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I will stand by you even though I've never done the right side to have a preference

unborn island
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I enjoy left side, pumping meaningless AoE DPS on the smallies is fun

lusty grotto
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there isnt much difference between picking up adds on momma and gathering pulls

warm plinth
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I have a question

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The adds on the last boss of priory; do they have a threat table?

lusty grotto
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no

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youre supposed to just cc them and burn them down

warm plinth
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Ok got it

small steeple
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My raid team had a heroic rng stat ring from OAB drop last night with 6k haste and 1k crit.

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The pug unholy dk won it 😦

lusty grotto
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ideally you all come up as a group through one side, so they all choose the same stairs to come up

warm plinth
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Explains why I got insta-gibbed by them on my mage keks

warm plinth
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I mean I had blizzard down. I just was too close to the pack because I didn't know

solid sun
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Why are we asking about priory right side

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Did that nerf actually make right side better

lusty grotto
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apparently

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i should try it today

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i just keep forgetting

solid sun
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I’ll try it out tonight

lusty grotto
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but im used to right side cause i trolled groups hard the first few weeks

mortal edge
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I will try the right

solid sun
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What does the mini boss that runs over there do

lusty grotto
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judgments

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hes easy

mortal edge
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Any YT vods

lusty grotto
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the hard part about right was always Damian

mortal edge
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I can see before I pull that side

lusty grotto
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bro

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i dont recommend it

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arent you new here?

mortal edge
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I go left and around the top

solid sun
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Yeah Damian cooked groups

mortal edge
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Not quite.

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Just vibe and read. Looking to get better now

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/shrug lol

lusty grotto
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well i personally havent seen any vods

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but also i havent been looking

mortal edge
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I vod myself typically to see where I can improvement movement and cd wise

solid sun
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I watch Dorki and then get my friend group killed doing similar pulls and tell them they’re bad when we die because it def isn’t my fault :)

mortal edge
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Wanted to do the right side route in floodtoo but a bit worried

lusty grotto
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i dont recommend doing right side if your (pug) group isnt capable of kick rotations

lusty grotto
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cause thats whats gonna happen on Dailcry

abstract python
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Is Tough as Nails valuable at all? Anyone tried it?

mortal edge
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Appreciate that tip

lusty grotto
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so small, spell block is better in all cases

abstract python
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Alright thanks 🙂

lusty grotto
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also considering the fact just about every tank buster is spell blockable this season

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enough that we only need to learn which ones arent (thunderpunch)

solid sun
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Bro I had no idea so many things were spell blockable

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That button collecting dust all this time

mortal edge
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I am def going to revisit later today with a bunch of questions .

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I am at work and can’t look at the talent trees

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But I had a huge question about ravager

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And how much threat does it generate

lusty grotto
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as much as the dps it does

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the only ability that has threat modifiers is heroic throw

mortal edge
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I see

lusty grotto
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but ravager slaps in big pulls + provides an influx of rage which is turned into revenges

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which is turned into a boost in dps

mortal edge
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I haven’t used it for so long so I just respecd into it before I left for work this morning

lusty grotto
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and dps = threat

mortal edge
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I understand the conversion better now

lusty meadow
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Does anyone know if you still need to kill mug'zee for this skip or does killing bandit get the skip to bandit

mortal edge
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Yeah I see your point

lusty meadow
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Thanks

lusty grotto
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it just gives you different options for the skip itself now

lusty meadow
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Gotcha

solid sun
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I took indom off my raid build

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So I have a free point and I went ravager

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Is that better than spear without either talent after spear

lusty grotto
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wdym

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ravager doesnt compete with spear

solid sun
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My normal raid build didn’t have ravager or spear

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But did have indom

lusty grotto
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what

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but spear/troar are on the class tree

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and ravager is on the spec tree

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no indom in raid for ravager is good, i do it too

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but that doesnt really change talents in the class tree

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you should have spear with both sub nodes

solid sun
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Oh idk dude I’m still drinking my coffee

lusty grotto
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or troar with both sub nodes

solid sun
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I just know I took off indom and didn’t know if ravager was the best pick

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I use t.roar with both sub nodes

lusty grotto
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sure

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as long as you have battering ram

solid sun
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Big yeller gamer

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Yeah I have ram

lusty grotto
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its raid though, just pick spear

heady nimbus
lusty grotto
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you shouldnt be spamming IP, use your cooldowns

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use your tools like in every pull

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taunt, leap taunt reset, challenging

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theres no reason why you should be losing threat

heady nimbus
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leap taunt reset?

lusty grotto
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oh boy

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read the heroic leap tooltip

warm plinth
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I've had spell block talented for so long. Guess how many times I've used it (because I'm good at the game)

lusty grotto
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all the time

warm plinth
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I may have pressed it once by accident because it's on a shift mod with my shield wall keybind

cerulean burrow
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F

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that is not epic my dude

lone hemlock
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Lol

warm plinth
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Listen, I am very knowledgeable but when it comes to pressing buttons, I'm basically a dachshund in a shirt

lusty grotto
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dachshunds are awesome

heady nimbus
mortal cypress
lusty grotto
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at least they arent pugs

mortal cypress
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true!

warm plinth
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Dog breeders throughout history be like hey what if we made this cute af dog with guaranteed health problems.

mortal cypress
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labs are what a dog should look like to me, but they have pretty much guaranteed health problems too eventually

gentle violet
heady nimbus
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Border Collies are the healthiest dog breed ever created.

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I've had one for 10 years and he's never been sick, except the time he got into a can of hershey's chocolate powder and even then he only threw up a little.

cerulean burrow
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human warrior best combo (i made my character when i was 10 over 17 years ago and i cant let it go 😔 )

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that passive to get out of stuns does some work sometimes

warm plinth
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I will die on the hill of play what you like best. Unless it's an elf and then idk you got problems

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Jkjk

lusty grotto
mortal cypress
gentle violet
lusty grotto
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you dont have to tell me

mortal edge
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No he didn’t but I def learned from reading it

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Haha

lusty grotto
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i mean you want to avoid using it that way though

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its a dps loss

cerulean burrow
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let nim know he is always looking to learn its okay

mortal edge
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Nim let’s be study partners

lusty grotto
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but yes it can be useful that way

mortal edge
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Meet you at the college library at 8

lusty grotto
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@shut summit why did you swap to human? raid prog?

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mugzee/gally tech?

covert helm
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Isn't Sense's guild playing without prot pala

mortal edge
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I just love the massive Tauren aesthetic

covert helm
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And you can use the human racial to avoid doing the gold fist on Mug'zee same as spellbop/bubble would

lusty grotto
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usually Mrs Sense plays druid

mortal edge
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Been that way since tbc honestly

lusty grotto
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yeah that makes sense Turtle

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ty

mortal edge
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What’s the hu racial. 2x hearth and wat else

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Is it every man for themselves still

covert helm
# lusty grotto yeah that makes sense Turtle

No clue how high the damage intake is though, I remember Reloe (the northern sky tank) was doing the human tech as prot pala to save a spellbop but almost died to the gold/fire ticks towards the end of p2

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I guess it's a case of chain externals or just proc BSV on it

covert helm
cerulean burrow
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do you racial after taking the cone or before it to avoid it? or you mean you just eat the stun and racial out of it?

mortal edge
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Gotcha

covert helm
cerulean burrow
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i end up taking the gold literally everytime in my guild and the downtime is cringe

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awesome hell yeah ty

covert helm
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It means you basically have to sit in the fire (or wherever you're dropping the gold) for a while though

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As if you start moving the gold starts getting dropped ofc

mortal edge
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I mean I’ll end up swapping races

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Once I actually encounter those higher keys tho and face the challenges

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Big Tauren looking tough on the front lines always dope lol

covert helm
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He procs BSV, has SW+Last Stand rolling, gets Ironbark and uses Bombsuit

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Second one he seems to run around just like prot pala does (didn't check what he used for that though) and the very first fist he stood in disc Barrier, got Ironbark and had SW rolling

lusty grotto
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thats good to know

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i actually wasnt aware

covert helm
# lusty grotto thats good to know

Pala would still very much be ideal for it - seems like you kinda have to drop a lot of damage (enduring defenses over Massacre, Punish over Juggernaut and such) but the boss won't be that big of a dps check longterm tbf

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Just a case of every1 needs to live

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Like I do 2.3 mill in intermission by prestacking Jugger

mortal edge
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Okay big big big stupid question : how often are you weaving in impending victory lol

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I feel like I do not hit it enough

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And I fear that is a poor habit

cerulean burrow
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uh whenever you need a little chunk of healing really at least thats what i do

lusty grotto
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not often

mortal edge
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Okay making sure cause I look at the healing done

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And often it’s a huge disparity

cerulean burrow
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basically yeah with ignore pain and leech you kinda sustain decently well its really like a "oh woops more dmg than i thought lemme heal rq"

covert helm
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I only use it when you actually need to be topped/get rid of an absorb fast or whatever

lusty grotto
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☝️

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what both Izzy and Turtle said

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we're not an HPS tank

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dont look at HPS its not as useful a metric than other tnaks

mortal edge
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Yeah sorry. Like I said I just keep looking things over to improve on

lusty grotto
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log

mortal edge
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Force of habit really

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Yeah I’m doing vods with a WA that tracks my casts

forest sluice
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I just die and blame the healer we are not the same

mortal edge
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And buttons pressed

lusty grotto
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no, log

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and we can help you

mortal edge
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That’s also true

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Wrecking throw worth picking up for priory btw ?

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For delcry shield and miniboss up top

shut summit
mortal edge
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Also, does the bleed dmg from troar cause rage or just the ability

toxic pewter
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Don’t think thunderous roar gives any rage anymore if I recall correctly

strong forum
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correct

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they also reworked bloodsurge to exclusively work off of deep wounds

unborn island
mortal edge
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I see - I understand

gentle violet
slender bison
chilly brook
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lol

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Skipping bubbles is giga easy

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Pull into corner, once he does his frontal your team runs by and then you leap and meld

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Ez pz

slender bison
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...who tf has night elf

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that's niche

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same as water walking

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chill

chilly brook
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Night elf is very not niche this season

lusty grotto
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eh

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its better than last season

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maybe not so much as tank

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but certainly for the rest of the group

slender bison
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That's like "LF VDH vs LF NE warr" in dungeon chat. Let's be real

mortal edge
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Might as well just do it right

shut summit
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we skip with levitate / shroud

chilly brook
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I mean you don’t even need to be a tank to do the bubbles skip

mortal edge
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Are there quicker pulls up top to save time on

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If you plan on doing bubbles

heady nimbus
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So I just watched a sense run of momma and it does look like people stack on boss and he did have a moment with one of the packs that spawned where it took him a second to get aggro. But with the macroing mousover heroic throw and the taunt reset, I bet I can improve a lot on this pull.

chilly brook
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He should never hit whoever he is aggrod on with a melee

heady nimbus
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speaking of the devil

chilly brook
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So like

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Really not super niche

lofty warren
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The stock market roller coaster is crazier this week than the last time I went to the amusement park

lusty grotto
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dont remind us

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we're here to escape

chilly brook
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Idk blizz stocks to the moon with how good night elf is this season

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Dwarf was a bait

lusty grotto
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lol

chilly brook
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Legit I might do the swap on my warrior

slender bison
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....

chilly brook
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I can count on one hand the amount of times stone form was actually important to me living

slender bison
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At least pay $30 for a night elf thirst trap

lusty grotto
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i think thats exactly what he means

chilly brook
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Meld would be 10x more useful in just consistency with routing

slender bison
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If you have to meld to compensate, then maybe get better group

chilly brook
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I don’t have to compensate

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It’s just better to do it

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Skipping the peacekeeper before 1st boss in motherlode is just better than pulling it

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There’s more efficient stuff in the dungeon

slender bison
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You skip that by going right and jumping the wall ....

chilly brook
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No you don’t

slender bison
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No comment

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Brb dungeon

chilly brook
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You can’t skip the peacekeeper right before the first boss without meld

slender bison
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Get warlock

chilly brook
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Not the peacekeeper at the start of the dungeon silly

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The one literally right in front of the boss room

slender bison
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Get warlock. Again

chilly brook
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Tf is warlock going to do

slender bison
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Gate

chilly brook
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Gate doesn’t prevent aggro

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Unless there’s some new giga brain thing you can’t skip this with gate

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You can skip it with meld

mortal edge
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No

chilly brook
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And these

mortal edge
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You gate the walk to the left of the keepe

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Wall *

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Like a mists skip

toxic pewter
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If I was a nelf I’d prob fat finger meld and get my party members killed and crap

mortal edge
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You soothe the pack to the right and walk in the middle. Gate through

chilly brook
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I see, I’d still need 2 classes that aren’t in the rotation of people I push keys with then

mortal edge
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lol

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I main lock and prot warrior lol

chilly brook
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No priest no lock

mortal edge
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Yeah but doable in pugs

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I think NE swap is gonna happen

chilly brook
mortal edge
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Wanna seem like a cool tank with meld skips

chilly brook
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Like shift+C

mortal edge
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Funny how shift c is my heroic leap

chilly brook
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Not hard to hit, just hard to accidentally hit

mortal edge
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Racial are shift z

toxic pewter
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Yeah fair enough mine is shift f and it’s not an easy button to press but just feel like I’d do it by accident at least once

lusty grotto
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that'd be funny

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we need a new gif apb

toxic pewter
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lol

lusty grotto
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"vdh presses meld"

toxic pewter
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I just don’t feel like going alliance

chilly brook
lusty grotto
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nono it has to be a vdh

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for our vdh collection

toxic pewter
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Feel like I’d lose all the horde crap I’ve collected

worldly mural
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Hello

lusty grotto
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you wont

chilly brook
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DH really is stupid man

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Like warrior still my boy but just doing 14s for funsies on my 653 dh is like wtf

lusty grotto
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obligatory VDH gifs inc

lusty grotto
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big

small steeple
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obligatory prot paladin

toxic pewter
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Ngl wish I could be famous and be in a gif

lusty grotto
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ok ill allow it LMAO

chilly brook
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A class should not have that much sustain and mitigation unless of course they wanna give it to everyone 🙂

lusty grotto
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bby

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big

chilly brook
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I wouldn’t mind that

small steeple
lusty grotto
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big

gentle violet
worldly mural
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I mained prot last season but took a break until now. Am I doing something wrong or is it normal to be rage starved with nothing to press now? Bc this is ass

small steeple
toxic pewter
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Prob pressing ip too much

chilly brook
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By the time bubbles walks to where he’s supposed to be he does his frontal and you and everyone else just runs through the bridge while that’s happening

small steeple
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Most people I've asked if they track outburst say they don't, which is really the big rage problem

worldly mural
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Wasn't necessary before I guess

lusty grotto
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rage economy was nerfed in s2

worldly mural
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Why they do dat

small steeple
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with mt, and last season, using outburst on TC/TB was acceptable just because how much stronger they were for mt