protection

[frosty mango]

Is there any simple tricks to gather without getting plowed in the back? I’m pretty good at not having it happen anymore but sometimes mobs will reshuffle behind me if there’s a lot of them. Lower level stuff it’s fine but definitely feel it in like 13-14

Kinda walk in a backwards circle now while gathering but having mobs constantly reshuffle on top of your player model is intensely frustrating lol

[lusty grotto]

thats basically about it

or you can just not jump into packs and heroic throw pack after pack

while repositioning

or taunt pull as well

just try not to charge into or leap into middle packs

[lime mantle]

combat log (w/o addons) has always been really, really janky.
I think nobody at blizzard wants to unfuck it since anyone that cares about it will use advanced logs.
Also the line there lacks crushing and criticals but now I am being a gremlin :^)

[hardy snow]

ok, so full absorbs arent such useless

[small steeple]

also, you can use ravager to pull a pack and get some initial agro on them while gather other groups

[frosty mango]

Yeah I don’t do this lol

It’s really only an issue while I gather because they seem to shift behind me constantly until I stop moving

[lusty grotto]

yeah partial absorbs just generally last longer though

[small steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/701845220358225920/1233063211931271291/phydh.gif

big

[frosty mango]

That’s the dh special - jumping into a pack and dying

[small steeple]

I got a prot pally one too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1356307571878920412/image0.gif

[hardy snow]

Yeah, and with partial we can heal inbetween hits, with leec or some hots from healer

[hardy snow]

there was also one with VDH from current season I think

[small steeple]

last season, was stonevault i think let me find it

[hardy snow]

ah right, it was SV

[small steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1055196260329590874/1320668978732859402/big2.gif

big2

[hardy snow]

oh, just noticed Ive already added it to favourite gifs

[small steeple]

big 🙂‍↕️ zug zug

[forest sluice]

I don’t care if DH is meta that gif is my experience with like 50 percent of them

By the time we all catch up to them they are dead

[small steeple]

As someone who plays a lot of vdh, it always makes me sad when its meta because it ruins everyones precption, because all of these people just don't know how to play it

[solid sun]

Hate vdh

Have never enjoyed playing it

[urban bane]

Dont think you used heated language fwiw

[azure gust]

lol they did jump directly into the middle of arguably one of the hardest hitting pulls in that dungeon with out meta active

[round pendant]

hero track is so fucking pointless

they need to nerf champ track

😔

[delicate badge]

Just switched to MT for tonights raid, I want to craft 2 pieces & I have the shield from Gallywix on Hc. Do i go wrists and cloak?

[solid sun]

If you can max craft your two crafts then a max shield is > h industry

But if you will be opening the vault with myth track options a max upgraded myth shield > a crafted shield

[solid sun]

Why

I still haven’t had hero or myth track hat or shoulders drop. Fully upgraded champion is helping

[pallid quiver]

This is the main strength of partial absorbs, since it means you're taking less spikes of damage, which is usually what kills people, not a lot of damage over time, for anyone looking at this after the fact

[kind urchin]

Anyone else notice that thunderclap is occasionally not applying rend?

[lusty grotto]

its capped

or do you mean consistently?

[kind urchin]

I know

[lusty grotto]

sub 5 target?

[kind urchin]

Yeah, 5 and below.

[lusty grotto]

i havent noticed it, ill keep an eye out though

[solid sun]

Do you have enough hit rating

[lusty grotto]

[kind urchin]

It's not often. Kinda like the paladin consecration bug.

[solid sun]

How did you notice

[lusty grotto]

any logs that you could link?

[solid sun]

Also I didn’t know paladin has a conc bug

[lusty grotto]

me neither tbh

[solid sun]

Enemies can enter the puddle and not start ticking damage or smth?

[kind urchin]

No, I noticed it happening on target dummies.

[lusty grotto]

isnt tick rate associated with server rate?

so it might just skip one

ok ill test in a few

[kind urchin]

Not sure if tick rate corresponds to server tick since haste effects the tick rate of dots.

[lusty grotto]

you might be right

[cerulean tusk]

🐀 in a 🎩 on the case

[ashen coyote]

Hey not sure if this is the right channels to ask about how certains skill work, but in case it is, i was wondering how Intervene works. tooltips says intercepting all ranged and melee attacks. Does that mean melee auto attacks, skills, ranged attackes like from sharpshooter and speels from mage like mobs?

[strong forum]

attacks only

No spells

Unless the spell/ability is "shoot/strike/hit/slam" type

But nothing from mages

Attacks implies physical damage

Mages don't deal physical damage attacks, except bone spear in theatre of pain. But that one is also not intervenable

In case of pvp this works basically on every single target attack from say a rogue, like blind, sap, kidney etc etc

[unborn island]

Yeah, I have a champ track neck from brew, and I see no point in upgrading the heroic one I also have past 658, as soon as I do that I guarantee I'll get a mythic one from vault and it's just wasted crests

[strong forum]

Big if

But yes

I spent the 30 gilded on neck cuz it's exceedingly unlikely to get the correct myth neck

Cuz there are only 2 in the entire game.

Rik reverb neck and cinderbrew neck

[round pendant]

the fact that hero overlaps with champ for 4 levels is so ridiculously stupid

idk why they did it like this

[small steeple]

didn't wands in like vanilla wow shoot?

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt by design, but they extended myth track

so while it did exist, it kinda seems pointless now due to myth going deeper

but i do agree with you

[round pendant]

imo Myth shouldn't overlap with hero at all and champ should only be 6 levels

[lusty grotto]

i think overlapping is fine

[round pendant]

that way 4/6 levels of hero are meaningful and feel good to upgrade

and myth feels yuge too

[lusty grotto]

but maybe just 1 level instead of 2

[chilly brook]

It's insane how much vdh players sniff their own farts lmao

[chilly brook]

yeah they did an auto shot with a swing timer but they were all specific magic schools of damage, not physical

[round pendant]

wands op

[bold turret]

No brainer even if crafted right?

[limpid tide]

Eu tanks saying the holy trinket of our season is underperforming this week. Anyone notice this too?

[lusty grotto]

you mean tome?

kinda hard to combat "saying"

are they simming correctly? logs?

[heavy sparrow]

No Brainer. Even has avoidance

[lusty grotto]

depends on your other slots

[heavy sparrow]

a lot

[chilly brook]

Guy asking about tanks: So what makes DH so good rn?
VDH Player: The utility and the fact that they're tanky enough for keys
Me: They're not really all that in terms of utility in comparison to even warrior but they're popular because you literally have to want to die in order to even be able to die and they do good enough damage.
Window licker VDH: bro warrior doesn't even have close to the same mob stops bro

[lusty grotto]

its not a no brainer

[chilly brook]

like brother if you grab aoe kick and aoe fear on warrior it's the exact same kit minus having sigil of chains

and you gain a single target stun

[pale plover]

spear has chains....

[chilly brook]

people so hung up on utility that they're braindead

[mighty valley]

an actual silence you can apply from range is significantly better than our melee range aoe kick

[chilly brook]

like actually lmfao

[limpid tide]

You can’t fear the mobs in place on last boss priory. You can’t leap up those stairs when boss goes up. You can’t leap backwards to group.

You keep storm bolt , vdh doesn’t have. Their silence actually good. It’s not even close to the same versatility. That said, if a key is just press W for route, prot warr does so hard.

[mighty valley]

i do agree the "warrior no utility" meme is way overblown though

[chilly brook]

it's 15 yards not melee range

tbf

[mighty valley]

sure, we do have to be in there though, plus they have to already be casting

[round pendant]

dh attracts dumb people and/or teenagers

[small steeple]

to use sigil of silence effectively you should also use it on mobs that are already casting

[round pendant]

they haven't developed the critical thinking skill yet

[small steeple]

me not that kinda orc. you zug zug

[chilly brook]

that entire leaping thing is irrelevant, fearing the mobs in place is irrelevant (although you can actually do that) you also want to use sigil of silence when the mobs are casting not when they're not

[round pendant]

Somehow they're more zugzug than us

every dh player I've met this season has been absolutely awful and a significant portion of em are toxic too

[lusty grotto]

its because they arent "dh players"

they're meta chasers

[chilly brook]

Not like I'm arguing that you should take Menace but you absolutely can if something being feared in place was necessary

[lusty grotto]

jack of all trades, master of none = fotm rerollers

[chilly brook]

you could literally just walk down and use intimidating shout and the mobs can run all over wherever they want down there and they still die

them being in place is completely irrelevant

[lusty grotto]

the utility conversation is, overdone at this point

but

keep in mind that a lot of these answers are used to justify their decisions, whether they are correct or not, these decisions are often just opinions and/or influenced by other opinions

[solid sun]

Tbh

[strong forum]

whatever is currently meta will always be called "OP utility"

pointless discussion

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[chilly brook]

You're trolling though if you just SoS on mobs that aren't already casting

[solid sun]

It sounds like you have to critically think about talents to do what vdh does without that

And most people I encounter just go to wowhead and import whatever the guide writers have

[chilly brook]

not really? Disrupting Shout is an insta lock in any real keys, which just leaves you with "do I want/need Intimidating Shout?"

[lusty grotto]

yeah i mean youd have to be in a class discord to understand a lot of the picks

instead of lurking etc

it be like that

[mighty valley]

if some in the group are casting and others aren't, sigil of silence will silence all of them regardless, shout will only interrupt the ones currently casting. it's just more versatile

[chilly brook]

Also in that case then most DH's wouldn't ever take Sigil of Chains

[limpid tide]

Not if you are pulling 3-4 packs and you mean to desync casters from different packs. Which is only great for melee meta, will not be relevant this season.

[chilly brook]

And that's why you sync their casts with stuns 🙂

[lusty grotto]

melee meta

oof

now thats two words in conjunction that havent happened since.....

BFA?

[chilly brook]

No that's actually trolling, you realize that SoS will behave like a "kick" if they're casting right? So if you just drop it on say the first pull of mechagon with the bomb tonks when they aren't casting you just wasted it

i.e. they're casting it goes on CD, if not they just hit it after

[solid sun]

I don’t encounter a ton of vdh because I spend most of my time playing pwar but when I do see one I don’t see chains get used

Anecdotal but again, I think a large percentage of them rip whatever wowhead has and send it. If that means no chains, so be it

[chilly brook]

highly dependent on key level

in 12s and under I just run Fel Scared blaster build for max damage which would lose a decent portion of damage to grab chains so I don't do it. In 14s? I'd definitely grab chains cuz I'm honestly more interested in the mob control/running a lower damage build anyways

[small steeple]

What makes a meta a "melee" meta? Having all 3 dps be melee? Because even in "caster" meta there is always or usually 1 melee dps, so unsure of what the distinction is

[lilac widget]

shield is the numero uno most important thing to upgrade/craft yeah?

[chilly brook]

yep

[strong forum]

you can run felscarred on every keylevel

[chilly brook]

I know you can

[solid sun]

I’m assuming you run felscarred regardless of key level

[strong forum]

AR will just cause threat issues

cuz its bugged

[limpid tide]

My guy I strongly encourage you go touch grass, you’re going over fry that brain patty.

[strong forum]

also less dmg

[chilly brook]

but in higher key levels you're going to be running a lower damage version of FS

I also personally find AR more comfy in 14s than FS

[south zealot]

literally every patch

if prot pally is meta their utility is turbo op

if it sucks their utility is never ever mentioned

[lusty grotto]

i knew choco would come into this convo lol

[chilly brook]

Would you like to give me an actual reason behind why what I said is bad?

[lusty grotto]

i was waiting for it

[strong forum]

prot pally doesnt even suck rn

[south zealot]

lucky chance lol

[strong forum]

its just the pulls are infinitely bigger this season and vdh got neato buffs

[chilly brook]

prot pally season 2 electric boogaloo in the .5 patch when DH gets nerfed

[limpid tide]

You can’t here discussion, someone over stimulated you in dh discord and now you just see red

[strong forum]

maybe

[chilly brook]

Okay so no you'd just like to dodge the actual explanation of how SoS works mechanically

[chilly brook]

I'm legit surprised we haven't seen any announced class tuning yet

[solid sun]

Basically when you hit the mobs with sigil of silence, it silences them

That’s how the ability works

[mighty valley]

woah...

[shut summit]

prot warr damage nerfs again for good measure

[solid sun]

I am now an expert

[shut summit]

only tuning needed

[strong forum]

also execute nerf tbh

really cant have warrior catch up to casters or dk

[solid sun]

(I like to think at least one person reads my messages and laughs)

[smoky anvil]

What’s that? FUN DETECTED ON BROWN CLASS?

[chilly brook]

Yes except that it functions as a kick if they're casting putting the mobs ability on CD properly. If they aren't casting they just go back to putting that same ability back up when it's over. Fairly important to understand if you're attempting to get the most out of it 😛

[strong forum]

their abilities dont have cooldowns

only spellqueueing

[chilly brook]

mob abilities?

[strong forum]

yes

[chilly brook]

def have CDs

[strong forum]

that was the whole point of TWW changes

mobs recast immediately after their cast has been kicked (past the lockout time)

[chilly brook]

if it's a spammable yes

[cerulean burrow]

completely off topic but ayo why chatgpt thanking me for taking the time to talk with it (???)

[south zealot]

stupid ass change imo

but whatever

[strong forum]

yes

thats why silences are so important

yet AGAIN

[chilly brook]

but not all casts are spam casts

some do have CDs

[strong forum]

correct

but 99% of them you stop

[heavy sparrow]

The guy is playing the better be safe cards

[south zealot]

true but they make sure to get a few of them in every pack lol

[strong forum]

thats kinda the whole point

to mass silence the pack

then stun

grip

stun again

silence again

cuz in case of priory, they only attempt to cast greater heal 2 times

1 time if the stun is long enough or if the mob dies

which also only happens at 30% mob hp

[chilly brook]

candle boss room

[strong forum]

you dont do that pull

[chilly brook]

you def want to sync SoS with the cast

[strong forum]

in real keys

you skip it cuz its harder than the boss

or do you mean the 2nd boss

thats a very specific pull

where the mobs have 1 cast

with an 18sec CD

[chilly brook]

2nd boss

not the mini boss

https://youtu.be/fkS5Dw5THpU?si=9K0r5j0t6q7oOw_M

[solid sun]

Eeeeeeew aldrachi

[south zealot]

very aldratchi reaver vdh ive played with is incapable of getting agro

[strong forum]

cuz theyre bugged

🙂

their empowered glaive or w/e it is

doesnt generate threat

also most people play without spirit bomb so they have fuckall on demand aoe

[south zealot]

ah thats sick

[strong forum]

and can only do aoe dmg with immo aura and sigils

[chilly brook]

Aldrachi does not feel good with SpB

ngl

[strong forum]

having aggro feels bad as tank true

[chilly brook]

honestly they should just do something in that hero talent regarding Soul Cleave aoe cap

but eh

[strong forum]

will not happen

[chilly brook]

w/e it's just an alt for me

[south zealot]

why not just play felscarred then

[strong forum]

no clue why people play AR

[south zealot]

because yoda does

[strong forum]

ik that part

[chilly brook]

Pretty simlpe imo, AR just more self reliant

[strong forum]

pretty sure vdh is entirely self reliant by design

[chilly brook]

people play a more turtle build when playing AR

AR has more self healing

[south zealot]

people play a turtle build on vdh

just in general

[chilly brook]

ergo "more self reliant"

[south zealot]

ive come to accept that if youre not dying as a tank youre doing fine unless you cannot hold threat

in which case do more damage figure it out

[frosty mango]

I just Los this

[strong forum]

correct

[frosty mango]

10 stacks or 10000 stacks you just stand behind the candle

[solid sun]

So what you’re saying is, if I kick a mob that’s casting or stun a mob that’s casting, it’s just going to immediately start recasting asap outside of specific circumstances?

[frosty mango]

Kick no, stun yeah

[strong forum]

kick will lock them out for 4-6seconds

[chilly brook]

I mean I'll be honest there's points in a key where I'll just fall over if playing FS in 13s/14s that I just don't run into while playing AR

[strong forum]

depending on which kick

[solid sun]

So is it better to sos at the beginning even if some mobs aren’t casting

Or is it better to wait

[strong forum]

depends on the pull

there is no blanket answer

[lusty grotto]

hear me out, im gonna drop this here because i gotta get lunch

but i think glaive not having threat as aldrachi is a good thing, it promotes people holding their dumbass cds and waiting for the gather

and benefits other tanks, like us, but also them cause they can just SoF when the gather is done

[south zealot]

well the issue comes where i hold threat the entire pull as a dk (i dont die because im a dk)

[mighty valley]

i think you should drop that message in dh discord and then close discord and walk away

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/some-men-just-want-watch-burn-gif-19105046

[south zealot]

that makes sense looking back bc a tank pulled with glaive

and i used outbreak and immediately pulled threat

that shit does like 5k damage

[frosty mango]

I just tell people at the start of the key

It will take me a few seconds to gather because revenge is not 360 degrees so if you eye beam/epidemic/wake of ashes/divine storm/ascendance .1 seconds into the pull then chances are you will die and I will laugh at you for being an idiot

[solid sun]

“I suck so be gentle” and I think everyone gets it

[frosty mango]

Just wait literally 2 seconds and you’re good

[lusty grotto]

lol

[chilly brook]

I think a lot of AR players are bad too tbf

was playing with blasters last night and I wasn't having issues

[frosty mango]

My favorite is the brew drops in cinderbrew, yes let me eyebeam these meaningless mobs the microsecond they spawn because meters

[chilly brook]

like yeah I had to tab to a target once or twice but no one died or got meleed

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frosty mango]

I lost aggro to an arcane mage in top 10 seconds into a boss the other day because he was doing 13m dps on the pull

Taunted but still, that was a little wild

[sand torrent]

what do we play in raids colossus or thain?

[chilly brook]

On your warrior?

[solid sun]

I remember this one time, I held aggro on everything throughout an entire dungeon. Was wild

[frosty mango]

Yes I was doing 2.5m

Not sure how to outcompete that much burst other taunt gaming lol

[lusty grotto]

challenging shout

[chilly brook]

Idk I feel like I burst pretty hard at the start of a boss as warrior

[lusty grotto]

c:

[chilly brook]

Between popping all CDs and having a demolish

[frosty mango]

That’s literally what I did because I taunted on pull which I thought would be enough of a gap with the 3s threat burst

[lusty grotto]

yeah but

[frosty mango]

Apparently not

[lusty grotto]

full cds demolish is like 2-3 gcds

and the pull has to be done

to be fair though, i havent had that happen to me yet

[frosty mango]

Taunt > slam on pull is usually enough to stick a boss. I’ve literally never ever lost threat on a boss other than that one time

[solid sun]

I don’t press demolish until it lights up to let me know I have a fully operational battle station

[lusty grotto]

13m on ST is wild

[buoyant sparrow]

Question: for “harder” keys should I be switching to MT? Or just roll Col all the way through?

[lusty grotto]

how many gcds is the Arcane opener though

[lusty grotto]

we never switch

[frosty mango]

I have no idea, it caught me completely off guard I’ve never seen some shit like that

Low key the knock up on col shockwave is enough for me to never swap

It’s so nice

[lusty grotto]

im not too familiar with arcane

but it might make sense that there's minimal setup

[gleaming panther]

Guys i need ur help !
I opened my vault and i dont know what's my best choice :

House of cards (heroic mod -> 665)
Shield (hast/crit) (go away crown repeller) mythic mod -> 678
Cloak of Questionnable intent (hast/crit) mythic mod -> 678

i have :

Shield craft 675
Cloak shit 658
Thrinket : Pacemaker 665 & Scrapfield 665

[chilly brook]

I think the highest I’ve hit was like 9m on my evoker

[frosty mango]

Sometimes the 3m asc build ele shams can throw some nasty threat on big packs but

[lusty grotto]

yeah but... thats a different case, ST is ST

[chilly brook]

But that falls off a cliff after I hit my two Engulfs lmao

[chilly brook]

No I’m talking ST not aoe

AOE I’ve hit like 27m

[lusty grotto]

oh i know, i was replying to Roidberg

[chilly brook]

[frosty mango]

I’d personally take hoc over scrapfield but the shield could also be a good choice

[lusty grotto]

anyway im off to get a baconator in honor of @south zealot coming in for the weekly utility discussion

[frosty mango]

If you’re only worried about damage just sim it

[south zealot]

i fw a baconator heavy

[frosty mango]

Baconator extra bacon

[gleaming panther]

yeah i already sim this, and hoc better damage (around 130K+) but what about survival ?

[frosty mango]

Gotta put the bacon between the patties

[buoyant sparrow]

Also: Roar or Spear? I have been running roar

[frosty mango]

IMO scrapfield isn’t doing anything for your survival

Others may have other opinions but I don’t think it does enough to matter

[gleaming panther]

yes but a better shield can ?

[solemn depot]

hi, i have a crafting question
i have a very fresh 80 alt that i plan on playing mostly as prot, as i don't really vibe with the other tank specs and mountain thane has been fun so far
i'm ilvl 642 after dinging 80 yesterday and am not sure what i should craft
i have a champ 2h (for arms), no 2nd 2h (for fury), veteran mh, champ shield, and 2 (potentially 4) full sparks and 2 (free) runed crests
it's unlikely i'll get enough gilded to craft 675s, so which 658 should i craft?
sword without embellishment + board with vers lining?

[solemn depot]

or should i use elemental focusing as embellishment for sword? i'm a bit fuzzy on it, i didn't see anything in the faq and the wowhead guide doesn't even mention MH weapons in the crafted section so

[cerulean tusk]

Do you have a shield?

Craft a shield if no

[solemn depot]

champ, so max 658
i don't need to use both the freebie 658 enchanted runed crests now, i'm just looking for big power spikes to get things rolling

the weapon is veteran, so max 645, so i'm heavily leaning towards crafting that. (dps) sim-wise it's also the biggest gain by far, 7% compared to 6% from alch trinket and 3% from any jewelry, despite having a 619 ring equipped

[native iron]

im running funhouse lens (hc) and pacemaker (hc) im not sure what i should choose, how good is mythic tome?

[solemn depot]

goddamn, i would kill for a vault like that on any of my mains 😦

[native iron]

yeah opening vault was amazing, having to choose from the 2 is not as fun, tome got a leech proc aswell

[frosty mango]

IMO Lens is better than tome

I guess tome would even out of the long term but lens you can just send with burst

[solemn depot]

lens hc is better than myth tome? i need to run more delves then

[frosty mango]

And it adds a pretty hefty amount of burst

[frosty mango]

From a pure damage perspective on aoe

I don’t think anything tops funhouse

A mythic house of cards maybe

[solemn depot]

i'm extremely new to prot war, does it scale that hard with haste/crit?

[frosty mango]

Crit gives damage and also parry

Haste reduces your shield slam cooldown and increases rage gen

More rage = more damage / mit

I’m vastly oversimplifying it but that’s the high level explanation

There’s a more detailed write up on the prot wowhead guide

[solemn depot]

fair. i love high haste classes, they feel much nicer than low haste ones

should i craft a MH with elemental focusing lens or just without an embel and (if i don't get a hero shield) craft a shield with lining and a wrist/cloak/waist with the other lining down the line?

it seems fairly bad, since it only adds ST damage

[cerulean tusk]

I totally zoned out dooming in Fury, ya decided to graft max ilvl shield, if ya didnt have one already, ye?

[solemn depot]

my war has like 6 hours /played at 80
a 675/678 is not in the stars now (but next week yes)
i have a potentially 658 shield equipped and a currently like 619 mh that goes up to 645

i might get a 658 shield later today tho

[tawny wadi]

Is there a way to time a spell reflect on homing missile in ML last boss as a tank?

[cerulean tusk]

as long as you remember: Shield is Alpha and Omega for warrior

[tawny wadi]

I've seen dps warriors taunt, reflect and have tank taunt back

[solemn depot]

oh?

[native iron]

hmm i think ill test out tome and lens some then, as it seems signet might not be as good i though it was,

[solemn depot]

wait shield slam actually uses your shield's damage in the calculation?

[cerulean tusk]

No, but blockvalue is our bread and butter. Then comes the huge bump in armor that is also dam through the armor to str talent. Ofc, you got stats on top.

But shield is what makes warrior tanky.

You can go into content with all but a shield and a weap, and you basically as tanky as you will get

[lilac widget]

how is this thing?

i know the numbers are v small, but also says v high chance

[cerulean tusk]

What about it?

it is about 1.7% of your overall in m+. Got some value from mainstat, but ye, not the best thing out there.

[frosty mango]

I think this is probably good for fury st?

[lusty grotto]

wat

[cerulean tusk]

It is decent on ST, it just falls off hard in AoE (and even on ST, it compares to AoE trinkies)

[lusty grotto]

pick myth tome

if you see a tome in your vault you pick it

[frosty mango]

For pure damage output? You think tome is better than lens?

[lusty grotto]

yes

absolutely

500%

[cerulean tusk]

Myth Tome is big

[lusty grotto]

sim with the APL in the pins

[cerulean tusk]

You just got to play around it

[small steeple]

Myth Tome will be more consistent and make gameplay smoother, the additional crit gives more Shield Charges, more demolish cd, and overall makes the rotation smoother

[lusty grotto]

and the nuke is big

[lilac widget]

probably isnt better than the things i have then 😦

[lusty grotto]

do you have a tome?

if not then it probably IS better than what you have

[solemn depot]

simbot says ascendance is the highest dps increase, followed by vivaciousness (which also grants some defense) and then elemental focusing lens
this was simmed with light movement tho
symbiosis is neck and neck with ascendance (9.7 vs 9.8) on a patchwerk sim
and symbiosis is miles ahead of the pack for dungeon slice (9% vs 6.7-6.8 for the other ones)

[solemn depot]

that wasn't me i was just replying to whoever said hc lens is better

[small steeple]

do you mean the funhouse lens? or the viscera? Viscera got nerfed big a week or 2 ago for tanks.

[lusty grotto]

pick tome

[lilac widget]

viscera is what im on about sorry

[solemn depot]

is symbiosis a good embellishment? simbot seems to think so

[lilac widget]

theres two trink convos going on at once

[lusty grotto]

tome is better than a lot of those

tome + house is pretty huge

[frosty mango]

I dunno I’ve got both and while I think tome has a lot of advantages through cdr if we’re taking press button do damage I’d use lens. I swap them depending on what dungeon I’m doing

[small steeple]

viscera is bad now for tanks

nerf killed it

[lilac widget]

oh rewait what is tome?

[lusty grotto]

read pins

Tome of Lights Devotion

[lilac widget]

ahhh, only got that on my monk

need to try and farm thanks for reminding

is that one both offensive and def? i havent seen the effect in action yet

[lusty grotto]

read

the

pins

read 👏 the 👏 pins 👏

[solemn depot]

zaezy, i think you should probably just go ahead and read the pins at this point

[lilac widget]

how do i do that?

[lusty grotto]

our APL works for dungeon slice but its not optimized for it, careful

[lilac widget]

sorry

[small steeple]

pushpin icon in upper right

[lilac widget]

ahh thankyou ❤️

[lusty grotto]

either way the endgame embelishments are dawn/dusk

[solemn depot]

yes, i read the guide

the guide does not mention anything about mh weapon embellishments, which is what i'm talking about

[small steeple]

We should make a pin that says how to find the pins

[frosty mango]

Instructions unclear, there is no pushpin

[lilac widget]

nah im just discord illiterate

[cerulean burrow]

reading test to type or

[lusty grotto]

probably because you can just craft a vanilla weapon, without embelishments

[lusty grotto]

swipe left

[small steeple]

on mobile, click the protection/channel name

[solemn depot]

yes.. and i asked if i should do that

[solemn depot]

.

[lusty grotto]

i just got back so i couldnt see any of it

[frosty mango]

Instructions unclear I see no pin icon

[cerulean tusk]

Just get him to craft a shield as prio, and I am happy

[small steeple]

See the word pin?

[lusty grotto]

mobile is fucky, i guess they removed the icon

[frosty mango]

Can’t read that’s how we got here in the first place

[solemn depot]

or craft one with vivacity or symbiosis for now, and if i get a hc shield today just use that, and if not craft a hc shield with lining and a low ilvl armor piece with the other lining

[low thistle]

Zoom in even closer

[small steeple]

Yeah had a bad ui update for mobile recently

[low thistle]

CLOSER

[lusty grotto]

ENHANCE

[low thistle]

YES

[frosty mango]

🔍

[lusty grotto]

ENHANCE

[frosty mango]

If you guys could just go ahead and make an addon that lets you play the game for me I’ll go ahead and download that

[lusty grotto]

ooh careful

[solemn depot]

and i will mail 15g to anyone on EU who helps me pick an embellishment for a mh weapon (or no embellishment)

[frosty mango]

You can put the instructions on how to install it in the pins….which I won’t be able to read

[lusty grotto]

well at least Raidbots can play your character

all you have to do is copy paste that APL snippet

and you're good 🙂

[lusty grotto]

do you just want to block your other 2 embelishments?

[lusty grotto]

whats wrong with an embelishment-less weapon?

[solemn depot]

i can recraft it to remove it at any time. i don't want to craft a shield right now because i might get a max 665 one later today
and i don't want to craft 2 658 armor pieces now because it's too early

[lilac widget]

does sigil of algari concordance scale off weapon damage?

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt recommend this

gilded shield should be the 1st prio

there are significantly more 1 handers in the dungeon pool this season

[solemn depot]

my brother in the Skyfather

[lusty grotto]

vs shields

there are 4 shields in total

[lusty grotto]

yes

[solemn depot]

i am not going to get a 675 shield on this char today

unless i buy enough 6 boosts for gildeds

[solid sun]

Just tank 7’s now

[small steeple]

only 4 10's. ish. a babe can do it

[solemn depot]

i'm probably not gonna complete a 10 this week either, so i won't have a myth shield waiting for me in the vault next week

[lusty grotto]

why not just tank with a crafted shield

with the free crest

[solemn depot]

because i already have a 658 shield?

[small steeple]

and recrafting cost gold

[lusty grotto]

ok, whats stopping you from doing 10s

[solid sun]

Or 7’s

You get gilded from 7’s

[lusty grotto]

so?

that seems fine for 10s

[small steeple]

I did 10's at 630 on my warrior

[solid sun]

I was tanking 10s on a bdk at 639 and I’m not exactly a peerless gamer

[cerulean burrow]

i was doing tens at 112 😏

[lusty grotto]

naked and with just a shield

[small steeple]

RETURN TO THE SHADOWLANDS

[solemn depot]

people, please
I have legitimately not tanked a single mythic dungeon since legion. that was 8 years ago.

[lusty grotto]

failure is the best teacher

[small steeple]

ok, all joking aside, what is your question again? I didn't catch it

[toxic gyro]

We did 10s with that ilvl when season started. Now most ppl in your group will be 650-660+.

[solemn depot]

i'm not going to start with 10s or 7s because i'm anxious enough without having a more important role than zug zug, having no clue about what decent routes are or anything that i'm supposed to be doing

[solid sun]

Do you have friends to game with

[solemn depot]

i'm going to ease into it, and that's not really up for discussion or debate. i'm still getting used to my fucking keybinds and can't yet function without glancing at my action bars

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

we have 5 sparks no?

1 free crest, 2 if you grind rep

[toxic gyro]

This tbh. My 610 dk got 4 10s done and like 6 pieces of gear

[solemn depot]

do i craft a 658 shield with an embel (i can upgrade one to 658, but would save crests and valorstones) - IF i don't get a hero one tonight
and do i craft a MH 658, since i have a veteran 623 equipped
and do i put vivacity or symbiosis on a MH or nothing?

[solemn depot]

that's nice, but i like my friends and guildies enough to not have them suffer through me wiping us repeatedly in 7s or 10s because i have very little clue about what i'm doing as a prot warrior in group content

[small steeple]

That depends. Do you want to spend the gold to make the 658, then more gold to recraft to 675 once you get the gilded crests?

[solemn depot]

gold is a non-issue

[small steeple]

Because if you are going to craft a shield either way, and later recraft it, there is no reason not to really

[lusty grotto]

do 6s like Rhino said, farm a 1 hander, forget about crafts

[solemn depot]

i wouldn't craft a 658 if i get the gally hc one, and i can't yet craft a 675

[toxic gyro]

Then buy 4 10s runs

[lusty grotto]

seeing it your way, any free crest craft is pretty pointless

you have a shield already

thats all you need

[lilac widget]

wowhead is telling me to embellish dusk or dawnthread

[lusty grotto]

farm the 6s

[lilac widget]

do i just go with vers cause im stacking crit/haste?

[lusty grotto]

whichever sims higher for you

[lilac widget]

ohhh its all about dps

okidoke

thought vers at full health might be against tankbusters

[small steeple]

The odds are, you will likely not get a myth track shield for a while. It is very likely you can upgrade/recraft the 658 within a week or 2 if you are uncertain of keys. For shields ilvl>>>>>everything else. So go ahead craft a 658. Use the gally shield if you get it, then replace it with the crafted shield once its 675

[lusty grotto]

no

[solemn depot]

no but i will buy a gally hc in 15 minutes lol

[lusty grotto]

proper play > tankbusters

[solemn depot]

can do. do i also craft a mh? or try and figure out prot and farm 6s for a hero 1h

i have 4 sparks and 2 enchanted runed crests r/n

i might be able to get 60 gilded tomorrow

[small steeple]

I would hold off on the weapon, see what loot you can get this week and from vault, then craft based off those needs.

[solid sun]

If you’re getting 60 gilded tomorrow I’d craft a shield tomorrow

[small steeple]

Or craft it, then upgrade to 675 anyway later, doesn't matter to much until you get a myth track weapon

[lusty grotto]

and then keep waiting until the next vault

[solemn depot]

is it really that unimportant? raidbots says a 658 is a 7% increase over what i have r/n

[lusty grotto]

and then keep waiting more

and then more

and then more

and then more...

and then never get Tome

that me

[solemn depot]

shield is first prio for gilded crafts, that much i understood

[lusty grotto]

c:

[small steeple]

weapon is big for damage. But its just opportunity cost really. Do I risk wasting a spark if I get a myth weapon from vault?

[solid sun]

7% assuming you’re doing what you’re supposed to be doing

You’ve made it clear you don’t, so I wouldn’t waste energy and time on crafts right now

The best thing you can do is play

[lusty grotto]

also 658 is fully farmable

in 6s

not 10s

6s

[solid sun]

You’ll end up being surprised how easy it is to climb from 2s to 6s and you’ll feel you can farm 6s pretty effortlessly even flailing around like a goober

[solemn depot]

this is a non-concern for the next 2 weeks, probably
the odds of getting a myth mh in vault will be slim to none
it's likelier that i'll farm gilded out the wazoo and be able to craft both a weapon and shield this/next week, i have the sparks

[lusty grotto]

sure but

[small steeple]

hell, 658 is top of champ track right? Just do 2-6 keys and get champ gear. Then replace with crafted 675 mh and shield

[toxic gyro]

Just farm 6-7s for runed, gilded, and gear. Then upgrade hc pieces to 658 and use gilded crests to craft shield>weapon>whatever looks nice to you.

[lusty grotto]

5 dungeons have a 1 hander, thats a big ass pool of 1 handers this season, so it's not unlikely

[solemn depot]

yes
but then imma go ahead and make a 658 weapon, since the main limiting factor is the sparks (which isn't even one any more)
the crest is a freebie and i can craft/recraft with r1-r2 mats and conc on my main so cost is really a non-issue

[lusty grotto]

last season we had... 2?

[small steeple]

dh has 1 this season I think if i remember right

[lusty grotto]

theres a reason i havent crafted weapon

until this week

lmao

[solid sun]

I get the impression you already know what you wanna do

[lilac widget]

sorry guys one last question? How come i cant upgrade my 2hand from 662 to 665 without crests?

i have a 665 1h and 675 shield

[lusty grotto]

the odds are stacked for a 1 hander (except if youre me)

[lilac widget]

does that mean i would theoretically need a 670 1h

to make it free

[solid sun]

Don’t worry I had to craft a weapon too

[lusty grotto]

sometimes free uppies are fucky and you have to relog

[solid sun]

Never saw one in vault

[solemn depot]

trust me, only very vaguely

i had no idea that shield is of such importance for prot war, for instance, and would have probably crafted a gilded mh first

[lusty grotto]

its the only source of block value

and ilvl means more of it

well, only source outside of 1 talent

[solemn depot]

i understand that, i just didn't deduce it, because idc much about block on my pally and i haven't played any other block tank since.. wotlk?

anyways my pally shares shields with main spec (holy) and i was lucky with a myth mh and shield from last 2 vaults

[lusty grotto]

nice

[solemn depot]

it was actually the second to last 2. this week's vault was complete garbage. mugzee hc trinket (i have 5 hero trinkets, 2 of which are better), hc eye of kezan, myth garbage in all 3 slots (ring - have, boots, wrist)

[lusty grotto]

hc kezan is not garbage

[solemn depot]

i begrudgingly took eye for off-spec and raid. imagine being disappointed with hc eye of kezan

[lusty grotto]

oh well, at least not for us

idk about pally

[solemn depot]

it's second best, but only for raid

[lusty grotto]

if you can keep combat, its useful anywhere

[solemn depot]

yeah, i guess

[lusty grotto]

like anvil/signet

from DF

[solemn depot]

didnt play df, sadly
but yeah i'm gonna give it a spin

[lusty grotto]

..and the lesser known red-haired step brother, garbag.... err... spiteful storm

[solemn depot]

it's pretty bad for m+ for hpal. the greens are the ones i already have at heroic, and all except one outclass it

[lusty grotto]

yeah that makes sense

if its like anvil though, it should be very good for ret and prot

yup its S tier for ret

A tier for prot pally

[solemn depot]

yeah. but still, had to pick vault for off-specs, when i was really hoping for a catalyzable myth piece
I have 3 charges and nothing to use them on

[fathom magnet]

what are the best stats defensively for m+?

[lusty grotto]

all of them are good

[solemn depot]

but haste feels so much better than others
i had like 28% crit and 11% haste shortly after dinging 80 and it felt god awful

[fathom magnet]

is mastery or crit better for m+?

[jagged gust]

You happen to know how the OOC stack decay on kezan works?

[lusty grotto]

not off hand

[lusty grotto]

the prio is the same as anywhere

[solemn depot]

is the gally hc trinket nice? it looks nice :ponder

[lusty grotto]

have you tried looking here? https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets

[solemn depot]

i realized after i asked and already had the page open and was on it when you wrote that 😐

[lusty grotto]

both kezan and bombsuit are very good

so yes

[solemn depot]

well fingers crossed that i get one or both of those in the next 10-15 minutes

[solemn depot]

i did not, in fact, get either of them, and both dropped
RIP

it's fine, i got 4/4 and two tank trinkets in the nm run

[solid sun]

Now you can do 10s right

I think it might be time for a chocolate shake

[next plover]

O7

[solid sun]

For some reason as soon as nim mentioned a baconator I instantly wanted a chocolate shake

[vocal minnow]

what should we craft for embellishments weps/shield or fill in gear w/ duskthread

[solid sun]

What do you have

What do you have access to

I think a crafted wrist with dawn/dusk is on the bis list but some of us have crafted other things to fill in gaps

Maybe that’s a shield or maybe that’s a weapon or maybe that’s a cloak etc etc

[lusty grotto]

😮

now i want one

[lusty grotto]

yeah so

dusk and dawn only go on shields and armor slots (not cloak or accessories)

so... those are your only options

last season we did what? bracers/boot or bracers/belt

so those slots are kinda still open

[solid sun]

Also iirc embellies are kinda meh

So as far as I know there isn’t any need to feel like having them is required

[lusty grotto]

yeah

im opting for using myth vexie bracers instead

[mighty valley]

it always throws me that you can't embellish cloaks with thread

[lusty grotto]

i have crafted belt though with dusk

[mighty valley]

they're made of thread!!!

[lusty grotto]

true

[solid sun]

Well some of them are

Isn’t the mantle made out of trash

[cerulean burrow]

cant embellish cloak with dawnthread or either?

[lusty grotto]

correct

thats literally what i said

right here #protection message

[lime mantle]

Hey I have a question, are M+ logs analyzable?
If so, how?
I feel I didn't do enough damage here and I wanted to see if there is a way of understanding them.
I feel I didn't press revenge enough and I pressed IP a bit too much in hurried panics.

[cerulean burrow]

did i break it or something then?

[lime mantle]

That's duskthread :^)

[lusty grotto]

hmm...

[cerulean burrow]

thats what i asked

dusk or both

[lusty grotto]

i might have been only looking at dawn but

cause who the fuck uses dusk

[cerulean burrow]

could be yeah im not sure

true as fuck

[lusty grotto]

but now i gotta make sure

[lime mantle]

You can use both btw.

(First row is dawn, second dusk)

[long bronze]

I use dusk cuz it sims higher

(for myself)

[lusty grotto]

am i misremembering? im pretty sure you couldnt in s1

[unreal ravine]

guys which WA pack are u using for M+ this season?

[lime mantle]

I don't think it was changed, so likely just miss remembering.

[cerulean burrow]

yeah i couldnt tell ya personally never tried it didnt even know there was an (alleged?) issue with threads on cloak was my lowest ilvl so i was like "let me put it on this"

[lusty grotto]

im 100% sure you couldnt in s1

[cerulean burrow]

mightve been fixed then

[lusty grotto]

ohhh no

hold on

its coming back to me

you could

the problem is Rashanan cloak existed

[cerulean burrow]

OH yeah

[lusty grotto]

so nobody really embelished cloak

goddamn it

ok then that means bracers and cloak are probably the better slots for it

[topaz latch]

yea i usually embellish cloak and bracers, but im not super impressed by the emb this expac.

wasnt sure if that was the right choice, but they are usually my least prio gear to replace

[lusty grotto]

right, its pretty ok to ignore them this time around

sim angle all around for them

over 6/6 myth

[topaz latch]

thank you for the validation, wasnt entirely sure if it was just me. some people swear by the lining one with crit, but it seems like the crit wont scale

[lusty grotto]

vers wont either

[topaz latch]

i think i put on the ST one, focusing lens? at work cant check, but i was so unimpressed that i havent bothered to replace them. should do that soon though.

*unimpressed with all embellishments

[jagged gust]

They all sim pretty well, genuinely doesn't matter unless you wanna min max 2k fps increases

DPS even

[lusty grotto]

im fine with them just being nice bonuses for low ilvl slots

[topaz latch]

yeah i mite just throw on the crit ones, because it seems like no matter what i do, i cant get enough crit. love me crit. does the emb add to parry?

[urban portal]

yes if its crit rating

[lusty grotto]

yea it does

[topaz latch]

nice, i know its crit from gear adds to parry, but wasnt sure about if the embellish effect counted. thank you guys.

[lusty grotto]

758 crit rating so 1% parry at least

per thread

[topaz latch]

god, i love parry. probably worth it over the 100k st dam from the lens.

[hardy snow]

Another Rik's kill without sword drop

[jagged pier]

we got 3rd sword and 3rd shield today

[hardy snow]

gz 😄

[jagged pier]

we have 2 shield users in the raid

[lusty grotto]

[hardy snow]

I think we got it every kill as well

I took first and then two next when on some offspec or tmog

[regal yarrow]

Any tips for timing this key? It seems like I'm getting 1 minute 40 over time every try. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/x8bfVAzWcCZwMJHP?fight=last&type=damage-done

[heavy sparrow]

How can I maximize my UI?

With a prot warrior with this UI

[lusty grotto]

by not copy pasting reddit

or, rather, reddit of an expansion ago

[pallid quiver]

ur reddit

gottem

[lusty grotto]

ok now im offended

[pallid quiver]

i went for the low blow

[heavy sparrow]

He got you good

[lusty grotto]

thats the lowest of blows

[heavy sparrow]

I actually wanna try rocking this UI, and try doing my weeks worth of 10s

[lusty grotto]

probably doable

[graceful kite]

You dps players suck

[small steeple]

I wouldn't say suck, but the mage and rogue are underperforming from whats needed to time it

and the 6 deaths added 6*15 seconds so 1:30 to the clock, discounting the runback time/slower pull it caused

[strong forum]

We got 2 shields on our first kill, with 1 shield User and 2 offspeccers

[regal yarrow]

It was failed before the last 3

[graceful kite]

Nah they suck

[jagged gust]

If you're not breaking 3mil in brewery what are you even doing

[solid sun]

Doesn’t the dps fluctuate based on how much is being pulled at once and stuff

Like if you aren’t pulling up to the balance Druid’s standards they’ll yap forever about how you’re killing their damage

[small steeple]

I wouldn't say suck because thats mean

[pallid quiver]

if they're assholes, they suck

[tacit smelt]

So how do you guys manage your defensive rotation in the first pull of priory with mini boss?

[solid sun]

I don’t pull the mini boss because I’ll die

[small steeple]

well yeah

[pallid quiver]

generally i don't pull the priory mini boss on first pull because the party would die, too

you've got knights and thunderclaps coming, potentially synced iirc

so that just kills people

[small steeple]

I've recently been only pulling the one night and going somewhat right

[solid sun]

I pull four packs and only one knight

[lusty grotto]

ideally you only want one knight with it

[small steeple]

kinda like this

[lusty grotto]

should be fine as long as healer is on top of their game

[small steeple]

I used to do double night then mini as 2nd pull

[tacit smelt]

I've been doing it on 13's and 14's but 15's thing are living a bit too long and I'm out of defensives

[lusty grotto]

where are you tanking? are you using the corner?

[tacit smelt]

Ya

[lusty grotto]

so the only thing chunking you should be the kb

stack punish

[solid sun]

I pull the first pull outside the walls and Los it

[lusty grotto]

mash that SS if cds arent lasting

as you should be doing anyway

[solid sun]

Gosh idk what punish even does dude

[lusty grotto]

but

knights are kind of prio target, if they arent prio targetting capn

after

youre kinda fucked

[lusty grotto]

DR

[solid sun]

Oh hey I actually have a talent question!

[lusty grotto]

i would actually say Captain is THE prio target

but since Knights exist, and they can kill the group with clap overlaps.. well

[tacit smelt]

Well my group comp is fire mage/cat/ww and rdruid

[solid sun]

In the m+ build I dropped indom for battering ram. I’m the raid build I also dropped indom also but I didn’t know what to take so I just grabbed ravager. Is that bad

[lusty grotto]

WW can prio really well

[tacit smelt]

The range do try to lose the shouts

Los*

[lusty grotto]

so... youre not at a disadvantage

understandable

[tacit smelt]

No just packs living long af

[lusty grotto]

well, we cant really help you there

thats not a tank issue

[solid sun]

You may need to alter your route accordingly

[lusty grotto]

thats a dps issue

[tacit smelt]

I believe in my bois

[solid sun]

Against the evidence to the contrary, he continues forth

[lusty grotto]

before you believe, compare dps with other same-level runs

and then you can believe

[solid sun]

Nim can I send you my heroic logs

So you can tell me why I suck

[lusty grotto]

uhh sure

[solid sun]

I only trust a fellow baconator eater

[lusty grotto]

[nocturne spindle]

yea your group damage is just kinda lowish

i checked and this was for my 13

[solid sun]

Where do you find that much dps

3.6 million? Not one ever in my keys

[strong forum]

I did 4mil in priory 10 on my affli recently

Was fun

And 4.4mil as arms in cinderbrew 10

[nocturne spindle]

xal buffs are cheating

[strong forum]

But issa 10 and mobs die too quickly

[nocturne spindle]

achsually you can pull more and not die

[strong forum]

You'd think that

But people in 17s do bigger pulls than people in 10s do

Cuz in 10s you'd die due to lack of coordination

[nocturne spindle]

well duh its physically impossible not to send all 5 interrupts at the same time

you cant convince me otherwise

[toxic gyro]

You can just assign kicks to markers before you even start the key

[pallid quiver]

If you're not tanking, just save your interrupt for things on you

ez

[strong forum]

Exactly

[neon elk]

Yo nome i need ya

Asked this earlier but didnt get any answer, do i just stack haste to infinity or follow sims ? Cuz my sims are telling me to play at like 15k haste

[echo egret]

What should i drop to take Int Shout on a M+ build ?

[lusty grotto]

SoF

[pallid quiver]

When max optimizing damage, you'll actually end up with less haste sometimes because of how stats interact and how good crit is for damage

[neon elk]

Yea but thing is crit is my 2nd lowest

[pallid quiver]

technically you almost always tank int shout by default in order to get to that section of the tree anyway

[neon elk]

So if i followed sims i would end up less crit ( and haste)

[lusty grotto]

you stack haste until youre at a number youre comfy keeping SB up

[pallid quiver]

Vers is also good for damage. It depends on what access to stats you have, hence why people are always recommended to sim when looking for damage

But you can always just take more haste,

then sim among your max haste

[strong forum]

At around 21k I would personally be like "yeah nah this is too much into haste" and try to pump more into crit

[pallid quiver]

Makes everything comfy for generally minimal difference

[strong forum]

Ideally like 18k crit and 18k haste or smth, rest into mastery with a sprinkle of vers

[pallid quiver]

simming for max damage among everything can sometimes bring you into funny haste levels, so I'd recommend popping up to like that 18k level, too, personally

[lusty grotto]

sims take into account kinda perfect sb uptime, unless im wrong so

[strong forum]

Sims press everything on cd including sb

[echo egret]

No, Int Shout from class tree

[lusty grotto]

oh fear

intervene

storm bolt

[strong forum]

Sim literally just outputs most dmg

[echo egret]

Frothing Berserker maybe ?

[strong forum]

Hell naw

[lusty grotto]

nope

[strong forum]

Need that for pathing my dude

And it's good now

[echo egret]

Ah yes indeed

[neon elk]

Okej so i dont realy go above the haste DR , gotta play around with all dem ring i have , thanks fellas

[pallid quiver]

oh i'm also dum

i read challenging shout

Anyhow, you generally have a flex point that normally goes into intervene by default, like Nim mentioned

[strong forum]

It's not about haste DR, it's just about focusing too much into 1

[pallid quiver]

i say default from Thane trees

[strong forum]

We have finite amount of stats, and pumping just into 1 is not efficient, even without DRs

[solid sun]

Gotta really taste the whole buffet

Can’t just stay on the Mac n cheese

[warm plinth]

You're a sprinkle of vers

Gottem

[solid sun]

Ha haaaaaaa

Look at this verse sprinkle

[neon elk]

Yea but since im gona be around 18-20k haste , then DR doesnt come into play at all

[solid sun]

What are the odds Nim says I’m secretly a pwar prodigy

[nocturne spindle]

@echo egret

dew dis

[toxic pewter]

u got rank 1 lfr vexie?

cuz unless u got lfr rank 1's cant call u a prodigy

[solid sun]

Shoot

I’m fried then

[nocturne spindle]

i have rank 1 normal aberrus from when i started

do i get to be cool

[toxic pewter]

sorry no lfr rank 1 is far superior

[solemn depot]

i have a question
how in the everloving fuck do you keep 100% shield block uptime without Heavy Repercussions?

[solid sun]

How much haste do you have

[jagged gust]

SC on CD

4p

lots of haste

dont let SB cap

[solid sun]

Also have a shield equipped

That’s actually the first step

[jagged gust]

do you actually need one?

[solid sun]

Often overlooked

Hm I assume so. The tooltip says you raise your shield

But I guess tbf I’ve never not had a shield equipped to test it

[solemn depot]

28% completely alone

[solid sun]

Ah, we use eating

Rating

Not eating

[solemn depot]

i have, before i set up equipment sets

[solid sun]

But do still eat please

[solemn depot]

15043

[solid sun]

I feel like that’s probably enough haste. But it’s on the lower end for most of us I’d wager

It isn’t the end of the world to utilize heavy repercussions until you’re more familiar with the spec

[solemn depot]

does it do more than compensate for the missing 8% haste?

or does the 8% haste have no impact on SB and SS recharge?

the 8% from Into The Fray, I mean

[gentle wind]

would you recommend playing with Heavy Repercussions with my 18% haste?

[solid sun]

At lower haste I used HR and it was definitely noticeable how much shield block I had

[jagged gust]

yes, that's way too low

[lunar dirge]

Hey is ther WA for tracking tome of Light ?

[gentle wind]

✅

[solemn depot]

could you explain why?

i get that there's a reason, because even with 45-47% (from fray + haste flask) i still had trouble upkeeping perfect 100% uptime

[solid sun]

Listen I just work here

[frail ibex]

Does someone have a list of all the spell reflects in m+

[graceful kite]

pins

[kind urchin]

It should be pinned

[solemn depot]

https://tinyurl.com/TWWreflects it's in faq too

[graceful kite]

pugging for trinkets is so miserable this tier icant

you start with a guy selling house of cards for 300k and end with a guy selling gally ring for 3mil

kind of demoralizing to continue playing

[solid sun]

It has to do with diminishing returns and all that

Percentage increases like lust aren’t subject to that but rating is so we use rating instead of percentages or something like that idk

[forest sluice]

I feel like the only human alive that misses personal loot and bonus rolls

[graceful kite]

it was better than this crap

[solid sun]

But for practical usage, the mainstays here in the channel all use rating so it’s easier to speak their language

[toxic pewter]

current system better i can roll need on all the transmog i want in lfr and get whispers from people raging i stole their loot

[forest sluice]

lol

My guild is gonna start alt runs here soon so I’m not too worried about it

Mythic stix on alts should be hilarious

[lusty grotto]

need rating

[lusty grotto]

use SC

reset SC as much as you can when 4pc procs

important with 4pc

if you have 4pc and have around 14k rating or less, you should go HR

that's unbuffed

youre gonna have a bad time with SB uptime

[solemn depot]

i have 15k rating and it's apparently still not enough, even spamming SC off CD and trying to focus on SS resets during 4p procs

[lusty grotto]

would need logs

[alpine ravine]

4pc 20k haste do i go itf

[graceful kite]

you always focus on ss resets

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[solemn depot]

i'm just on the training dummy

[graceful kite]

its your best ability to press

[lusty grotto]

why are you on a training dummy

[solemn depot]

because i am training

it's what it's for

[lusty grotto]

i mean

[alpine ravine]

then go into like

m0 cinderbrew and do the whole room

[lusty grotto]

do you expect to hold SB uptime on a training dummy?

[alpine ravine]

or like floodgate

[lusty grotto]

you know there's pauses in keys right?

and you know there's active tanking in raids?

[solemn depot]

i.. do?

[lusty grotto]

well you shouldnt

you dont even have 5 stacks of ITF

[solemn depot]

no, tell me more

[lusty grotto]

its not equivalent

your dummy training does nothing for your uptime

it helps with your dps

but thats it

[solemn depot]

no, it does more than that

[alpine ravine]

cleave dummies but thats about it

[lusty grotto]

ok

im wrong then

my bad

[solemn depot]

it also helps me get used to the abilities and develop muscle memory

[lusty grotto]

good luck

[solemn depot]

...

[solid sun]

Nim grumpy because he was tortured by my logs

You can blame me

[solemn depot]

oh, good
I thought he was grumpy because i'm trying to learn a new class

[solid sun]

Tbf what you described is mostly just helping you with your dps. Muscle memory, etc

The primary takeaway from his perspective is that you’re going to the target dummy with an unrealistic expectation

That’s valuable insight because we do have moments in keys where we have pauses or when in raid we aren’t actively tanking so we don’t necessarily worry about shield block for 100% of a fight or an instance

But 100% while actively tanking

[solemn depot]

i don't understand. how is it unrealistic if i.. met that expectation? once i switched to heavy repercussions i can easily maintain SB with a big buffer
without HR, i can maintain it like 90-95% of the time
and also, on the Dungeoneer's Training dummy I get the full 8% from ITF if I just position between the dummy and the one next to it

[lusty grotto]

its cause youre practicing on a dummy

[solemn depot]

yes well the reason i am worried about my SB uptime is because i performed horribly in the first (6) key I tried

[lusty grotto]

and you havent read your tier set

because it procs FROM DAMAGE TAKEN

[solemn depot]

oh, that makes sense. yeah, that probably closes the gap i'm seeing

[lusty grotto]

if youre worried about SB uptime your best practice is live practice

period

get an SB tracker and thats it

dont take back hits

at least this season and with this tier

[solemn depot]

well i made my own since then

SB duration is capped at 2x its cooldown?

[lusty grotto]

3x

unless if you bolster but we dont play bolster

[solemn depot]

3x its duration?

[alpine ravine]

21ec

[lusty grotto]

yes thats the cap

[solemn depot]

ta

[iron flare]

Any suggestions for builds for 3rd tanking Mythic Rik?

[lusty grotto]

dont 3rd tank

use another class as 3rd tank

[solid sun]

A really good option is arms or fury

And politely say no

[lusty grotto]

bear and pallies are decent at 3rd tanking

brew probably as well

3rd tanking is not a prot warrior's job, we need rage and for that we need to hit the boss, much like BDK and VDH do

it was the case on Zskarn, and it'll be the case on 3 tanking Rik

[iron flare]

I feel like bear was recommended for it, do they not have the same problem?

[lusty grotto]

they can enrage regen

or w/e its called

and just elune and moonfire shit

frenzied regen

and pallies can probably WoG/LoH and im not entirely sure if they can bubble/bop the dot

they probably can't but they got enough cds

[solemn depot]

is there a spell reflects WA? or just the spreadsheet?

[neon elk]

There is a WA but iirc it isnt realy reliable

[solid sun]

I think there’s a plater profile that changes a cast bar color if it’s reflectable but idk how reliable it is either

[next plover]

honestly i tried mountain thane in a mechagon +11 and it feels pretty good

not as bad as i thought

[lusty grotto]

perfectly playable, just does considerable less aoe damage

or in general