protection

[long bronze]

not that vault

anything but that

[sharp gale]

I choose to ignore screen

[long bronze]

delete this

[dense hill]

😦 At least I still have the #1 Tank Parse World on Stix Normal lmao

[slender bison]

Wait. Those trinkets are needed in 14s

Else you die to BigMomma

[sharp gale]

But thanks to confirm my pseudo-belief I HAVE to do 8 dungeons to prevent at maximum this stuff

[dense hill]

I also got myth boots, high crit low haste, but I have crafted

but I think im still taking them

[slender bison]

What's the 3rd one?

Or you did only 4?

[sharp gale]

He would have include it in screen if it was myth track, but guess tho

[slender bison]

Hope we get some nice Cloak transmogs tomorrow in EU

[long bronze]

I have the r1 8 workshop since mar 16

highfive for meaningless parses

[sharp gale]

I bet for 3 trashmaster cloaks in my vaults 🙏

[long bronze]

trashmaster cloak kinda good tho

[forest sluice]

Title makes it bis

[sharp gale]

I already have the title

[long bronze]

I've had the title since BFA xD

[forest sluice]

I just use queenslayer to trick people into thinking I’m not an idiot on my alt

5D chess

[sharp gale]

It is the title I use since bfa, I never changed it, just I’m Brewmaster on my dk

[dense hill]

Sorry, was doing normal gally for mount/6% buff rq, I did get some boots, but I cut it for the lmao content reactions

[median swift]

How good is this for us?

[long bronze]

oh no, not again

[dense hill]

Us? eh. Our teammates love us

[median swift]

I have house of cards 665 and a Scrapfield 658

[long bronze]

lock it away and forget about it

[dense hill]

I've been using tome/scrapfield

[long bronze]

I convinced nom to downgrade it on the tier list and I consider that my life's greatest achievement /s

[median swift]

great, easiest 91 gold of the evening then 😄

[strong forum]

this looks awful

youre literally missing 1 full talent point in the last gate

[small steeple]

Ive used "the awakened" title since I got it. I think it was 2kio from s4 of bfa, which was my very first season

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/JdvHrQK.png

either you play this or change out spear for raor

[round cliff]

bros

do i?

or do i take myth tier

[strong forum]

sim it

[long bronze]

myth tier imo

[round cliff]

its gloves tho so its like w/e

[strong forum]

[round cliff]

will sim

[cerulean burrow]

i am pretty partial to roar with both endcap talents but tried to cook wit spear yesterday cuz saw that top chinese doing it every key but it feels.. odd idk prob user issue

[prime sphinx]

if ur raiding hc with guild take jastor if ur pugging mby not

[strong forum]

youll have threat issues

if you play spear

[long bronze]

let me offer you this advice

you can just get mythic jastor in a few weeks with dinars

[cerulean burrow]

yeah exac tly i find im mashing roar early to gather with tclap rend stacks

[strong forum]

correct

spear will cause you to delay your CDs until everything is gathered

to get most benefit

[cerulean burrow]

which prob cuz im not used to it feels really weird

[prime sphinx]

there is no mention of dinars in 11.1.5 so mby not

[maiden forge]

good boots if u dont have myth boots

[twilit turtle]

hi fellas

[cerulean burrow]

the only nice niche ive found is like if youre mega pulling in high(ish) keys like 14-16 in dfc having spear to pull them back after the big guys slam is nice quality of life but other than that i see no advantage from my own gameplay

[sharp gale]

I was gonna say this, am I the only one thinking it’s kinda troll to take a hero raid loot in vault 2 or so weeks before dinar

[long bronze]

just shockwave better

[twilit turtle]

head tier is useless? so Fullthrottle Facerig worth?

[long bronze]

head tier is giga

[strong forum]

its not useless

you need some mastery from somwhere and tier helm helps with that

[long bronze]

^

[round cliff]

yup

sims say jastor diamond + cyrces

still best

[twilit turtle]

need crit

[strong forum]

ye

head has crit+mast

but fullface rig is also really good

[round cliff]

@strong forum is there a way to sim for the fast that jastor diamond will drop in m+

since im not a chainpull god

[strong forum]

nah

[round cliff]

ill just take sim at face value then

[strong forum]

by playing jastor you have to heavily avoid mastery on other items however

which means you want rick neck real quick

and facerig

[long bronze]

I just want vexie to drop the wrists

gotta be smart and game the system cuz you know everyone is gonna craft wrists so you insta get them when they drop

[twilit turtle]

revved up ?

i have a lot of mastery so i need crit so bad

i cant afford to craft weapon and shield rn

crappy weapon & shield

[dense cradle]

need ilvl

[twilit turtle]

need replaced

[dense cradle]

idk craft a shield

[twilit turtle]

now looks better with my new tier pants

[dense cradle]

barely matters at that low ilvl

[lofty warren]

Are you supposed to use different color gems to satisfy the white gem that wants the rainbow or should you just put the one with the good stats?

[strong forum]

neither really matter

[sharp gale]

I wouldn’t care at that ilvl too, on my ass rogue 636 idc I take every items in 10s

Even plating

[strong forum]

Now you're going too far

[dense cradle]

reminds me how i’ve seen rogues craft an intellect dagger

a nonzero number of times

[dapper summit]

Am I doing something wrong using the tome sim apl? sim goes down significantly when using it custom apl from the pin

[peak iron]

make sure you are expanding the note and actually copying the whole thing

otherwise idk

[dapper summit]

Yeah I did

[peak iron]

ill leave it to the real simheads in here then

[sour flicker]

just wondering, can you parry a boss hit?

not sure if I need to focus on crit in raid surv scenario or vers or a healthy mix

[dense cradle]

you go for ilvl

[sour flicker]

its equal

[dense cradle]

idk you’re acting like vers is gonna stop you from getting one tapped

[warm plinth]

Ilevel and gameplay is how you survive boss hits. You can parry white hits usually but not tankbusters.

And since white hits are not remotely dangerous for us, ilevel and whatever gives you the most damage is what you want

Which can be determined by simming

[dense cradle]

you link roulette wheel doesnt help

[sour flicker]

its haste/vers

[dense cradle]

idk haste makes gameplay more fun

pretty obvious choice

it really doesnt matter either way

dying as tank is 90% of the time your own fault in gameplay

[somber lintel]

is that ring bis? or Dark Flame ring is better? The best item in my vault is the trinket have lifesteal , right? I only do M+ with my Warrior Tank. Raid Hero, not Mythic. Any recommendations? Thanks

[mighty valley]

yeah I'd take tome, it's one of a kind

[sour flicker]

such a good vault

[next plover]

Rip I got the mythic algari companion trinket

[unborn island]

Take the trinket 🙂

I look forward to once again getting a belt, a cloak, and a Vers/mastery ring

[forest sluice]

Is that companion trinket any good

[unborn island]

Or poop trinkets

[somber lintel]

Thanks for the recommendations, I'll take the trinket

[lofty warren]

11.1.5 patch notes available?

Didnt find on https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-11-1-5-release-date-is-april-22nd-376279

[next plover]

Um not sure haven’t tried it😂

[forest sluice]

I have funhouse lens and an energy drink I assume the companion is worse at same ilvl I didn’t sim though

[sour flicker]

hero track companion trinket to champion tracked lens/pacemaker

[dense cradle]

lens is fun

[lofty glen]

kinda like tanking 😄

[forest sluice]

I did more dps than a 650 spriest on my 650 alt I can’t imagine how good this was before the nerfs

I always miss out on all the fun, started playing fury after they got target capped last season

[daring narwhal]

if dps doesn't have fingers you are always ahead of them pretty much

[dense cradle]

basically the story of lower keys

[forest sluice]

Well I can also just spam revenge and shield slam at that key level

[dense cradle]

ranged in lower keys are banned though

love going 50% over count due to buttpulling

or tab target terrorism

[sharp gale]

when they have fingers, you are 4th

[forest sluice]

I just want them to kick the mob off in Uganda pls god

I’m not a paladin mang

[dense cradle]

you expect ranged dps to have interrupt bound

thats asking alot

[dense cradle]

bro?

press epidemic

[forest sluice]

I love priory when I’m dragging paladins around no one will kick the priest who keeps healing

Low keys are so funny

[dense cradle]

i like seeing sharpshoots just take shots at people

for a good 30secs

[forest sluice]

lol

[sharp gale]

i did a dfc where my friend got 2 bloodbeast proc the whole dungeon

[dense cradle]

tell the guy to proc better

[sharp gale]

but still good damage

[forest sluice]

My hunter either does 4.3m or like 3.5 depending on whether my 4pc wants to exist

When it procs first pull of meadery I’m hitting like 27m it’s wild

Haven’t seen more than 2 procs back to back yet

Casino season gonna casino

[alpine ravine]

did we get another craft or catalyst this week

[forest sluice]

Should have a full spark this week

[paper eagle]

Yes, should be able to craft another item this week

[long bronze]

it's 3 delves for the 2nd spark half this week

[alpine ravine]

ok so we have 4 crafts now right

[frail ibex]

I noticed that none of my wa's or addons are calling for taunt swap in raid, Am I missing something? I can play without it but I would rather play with the big red letters telling me when to do my job

[chilly brook]

Or you just do the undermine weekly that takes less than 10 minutes

Just participate in a Surge Pricing

[jagged gust]

I actually started having this problem a few days ago last week, which WAs/addons are you using?

[frail ibex]

Liquid

and bigwigs

[jagged gust]

bigwigs has been atrocious this season tbh, I swapped back to DBM

Fixed almost all of my issues I was having, now it's just causese's dungeon pack that's been annoying me since yesterday

So I went back to using Tarithals

Also, RIP

[neon elk]

Soo the bulions arent coming in next patch ? Its gona be in .7?

[remote anchor]

we dont know

[velvet cliff]

Hero Track Amourphous Relic trinket good for tanking? shit honestly looks kinda gas at first glance??

[strong forum]

it is shit

[velvet cliff]

rip the dream

[strong forum]

trinket literally does NOTHING 50% of the time

[jagged gust]

If all your combats last 30 seconds or less it's pretty cool, might be a good delve trinket

[velvet cliff]

thanks boys 💪 good looks

[next plover]

How much more damage is into the fray over heavy repercussions

[chilly brook]

A lot

Like 7% in single target

(Maybe not actually that much) but it’s worth a lotta dam

[strong forum]

6%

[warm plinth]

Sim it, but considering HR's only damage value is 2 extra rage on shield slam, and ItF is a multiplicative increase in haste, it's very significant.

[next plover]

Does it make it hard to keep up shield block?

[strong forum]

if you have enough haste its completely fine

[next plover]

I think I’m at like 27% without into the fray?

Is that ok?

[strong forum]

idk how much that is

[chilly brook]

What’s the numerical value?

Not the %

If it’s 16,000 or more it should be fine

[strong forum]

around 16k haste is when ITF is starting to be rather smoothe in uptime

[next plover]

I can’t remember I’m at work maybe 14k

[strong forum]

with 4pc it can be a little lower than that

[chilly brook]

You can see it on your armory page iirc

[next plover]

Darn maybe I should wait for more

[chilly brook]

What’s your character name?

[next plover]

Jackks-stormrage

[south goblet]

i assume i take myth wep over myth pacemaker right? why blizz do this to me

[lusty grotto]

idk

i would take pacemaker tbh

and craft a weapon

[lusty grotto]

you have 4pc, you will be fine with ITF

[south goblet]

thats kind what i was thinking, i got the myth book last week

[tacit smelt]

anyone know if the ascension embellishment stacks?

[lusty grotto]

fuck you

[cerulean burrow]

i agree you may if youre unlucky never see that myth pacemaker in vault again

[lusty grotto]

[south goblet]

it was my reward for suffering though 80 prios

[lusty grotto]

80?

im done at 34

i dont wanna farm that place anymore i'd rather be killing zoh shias back to back

like im doing right now

[south goblet]

i alwasy have the worst luck for trinks

[lusty grotto]

clearly not

you havent seen my vaults

since Legion

[next plover]

Ok thank you 🙂

[chilly brook]

You have 17,919 haste you’re more than fine

[slender bison]

There should be a monthly vault to the vault in case you got 3 cloaks/3 trinkets

[jagged gust]

I member back when I had to farm 5 different raids a week for gear with a 1% drop rate

I say once per month you should randomly have a vault choice taken away

[slender bison]

Ok grampa let's get you to the garrison bed

[lusty grotto]

garrison?

that's old?

[slender bison]

11 years

[lusty grotto]

oh boy

ok baby

[jagged gust]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=28830/dragonspine-trophy my beloved

[lusty grotto]

DST is old?

oh boy

[forest sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/its-been84years-titanic-rose-dawson-gif-5372593

[slender bison]

Gruul TBC?

Had T5 drops

[jagged gust]

Wasn't Gruul T4?

[lusty grotto]

yup

[warm plinth]

Gruul was T4 yeah

[lusty grotto]

not t5

[slender bison]

T5 was?

[warm plinth]

T5 was SSC

[jagged gust]

naga lady and belf guy

[slender bison]

Oh yeah

[warm plinth]

and tempest keep maybe?

[lusty grotto]

yeah tempest keep

"belf guy" lol

[warm plinth]

[slender bison]

Lmao

[jagged gust]

yeah then it was BT/hyjal and finally SWP

[lusty grotto]

t6 t7

[warm plinth]

T4 best tier though tbh

Karazhan bis raid

[jagged gust]

bro imagine the very first raid in the game having the end game BIS weapon for hunters

[slender bison]

You'll never get that dopamine hit again when you went belf isle to exchange sweaty token for T6

Absolution Regalia

[jagged gust]

oooh the very first welfare epics

takes me back

[slender marsh]

If my weapon and shield are same ilvl, which should I craft first with gilded?

[lusty grotto]

shield

[mighty valley]

if you want to do harder content, shield

[slender marsh]

👍

[winged pawn]

how the hell do u guys kick the right target when u get like 50 mobs on top of each other

[jagged gust]

pull in a way that you know which pack has the priority kicks, and dont pull too many of them without a plan

plater nameplates helps to differentiate casters from normal mobs as well

so you have these big pink nameplates in a sea of w/e non casters look like

[winged pawn]

okay thanks i think ill need to get plater

[jagged gust]

look up quazzi

he makes a really decent plater profile

[idle copper]

Quazii player profile, watch his YouTube vid explaining the different colours

[next plover]

Oh wow I have way more then I thought mb thanks!

[lusty grotto]

focus kick

[winged pawn]

like focus harder on choosing the right mob, then kick?

[lusty grotto]

put focus target on a bind, put a focus on your kick target, and make this macro

#showtooltip
/cast [@focus,exists,nodead][] Pummel

itll cast pummel on your focus target, and if it doesnt exist it'll just kick your target

[winged pawn]

oh okay cool

[lusty grotto]

no

focus target

is a WoW thing

it puts a target in a focus frame

its on binds

[winged pawn]

thx ill take a look

[vivid sinew]

Am I wrong or could you add, and I'm no macro wizard for sure, a "nofocus /focus" conditional to that at the end (so it doesn't kick)? And you save a binding?

[lusty grotto]

youre wrong

[vivid sinew]

Unlucky,

[jagged gust]

I think I read the word focus one too many times

Semantic satiation

[lusty grotto]

you want control over your focus targets

not to relinquish it to one macro

that macro is not made to "save keybinds"

[solid sun]

Hey nim did you get a myth tome

[lusty grotto]

i havent logged on

[solid sun]

What the heck

[old flame]

hey folks, any help with this vault?

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/garrosh/ilyamurometz

leaning towards the ring, but sim is saying I should take the radio

[lusty grotto]

go with sim

[old flame]

it's saying to run house of cards and radio and not run scrapfield. is that balanced? or should I run radio/scrap? since sims are more feely on trinkets

nim?

[lusty grotto]

hmmm idk

[lusty grotto]

maybe just pick ring or boots, depending on which sim highest

[old flame]

I have crafted boots so ring would be best probably

thanks

[small steeple]

interesting roll

[slim chasm]

Hey guys. I'm brand new to prot. Read the wowhead and stuff maybe i missed it. When were not actively tanking the raid boss are we just sad and not using shield block (unless it'll cap)? So slam just isn't buffed?

[small steeple]

to not have SB up is a dps loss

[slim chasm]

So. If I can survive without it just keep it up as much as possible tanking or not.

[small steeple]

100% or close to it uptime for SB should be doable in raid builds, even in execute spam build its easy to keep it with really high uptime. Ofc you always want sb up when actively tanking, so if you know your going to swap soon, hold a charge back for when you take over

[normal thorn]

?
675 craft weapon. rings and belt are w/e

[heavy sparrow]

Any theory crafters on avoidance & leech

[solid sun]

Earlier it was mentioned that 100% absorbs are calculated first

And then after that is like DR's and partial absorbs?

Where does blocking and parrying fit in? With the other DR's? Or before everything? Or after everything?

[heavy sparrow]

Parry is only melee and if you are facing the mobs that aren't attacking you from behind

[solid sun]

That...

Literally answered nothing

lol

[lusty grotto]

blocking comes after IP

or rather, after partial shields

parry should as well

[lusty grotto]

what about it

no tc needed

they are tertiaries and avoidance doesnt do a lot for tanks

they are just bonuses

you do not pick them over secondaries, primaries or just ilvl

[frosty tide]

Are there any necessary WA to help with Prot Warrior? Or are they mostly quality of life/play WAs?

[lusty grotto]

the latter

[frosty tide]

Like if there is one to track ignore pain, does it show the amount it absorbs?

[lusty grotto]

the only necessary one is keeping track of SB

a rage bar and arguably keeping track of outburst/seeing red

thats it

maybe tier procs

[frosty tide]

Really? Why? That’s easy enough to see right? I would think keeping track of IP amount would be more beneficial like pooling before a pull

[lusty grotto]

no

IP is not your active mit

its SB

IP tracking isnt needed

[frosty tide]

I see. I mean how many instances do we not have shield block up?

[lusty grotto]

you can use it if you want to, but its not required

[frosty tide]

Don’t we always keep it up?

[lusty grotto]

wdym

[frosty tide]

Isn’t shield block uptime nearly 100%?

[lusty grotto]

yes youre supposed to keep it up close to 100%

[frosty tide]

So that’s not too bad I don’t think right?

[lusty grotto]

i mean you need to track it

[frosty tide]

Idk I mostly do M+ and I always hve it up

[lusty grotto]

do you?

do you have logs?

[frosty tide]

I don’t log M+ no do people do?

[lusty grotto]

well of course

[frosty tide]

Oh really

[lusty grotto]

you'll be surprised about your effective uptime

on SB

[frosty tide]

Oh really

I keep it up for DPS mostly lmao

Want those hard shield slams

[lusty grotto]

okay?

[fading tide]

How do u guys find fortified different from tyrannical? Last week was my first week tanking

[lusty grotto]

idk most of us play both

but what do you want to know?

it should be pretty self explanatory

[frosty tide]

Where do people learn on tanking tips on pushing M+?

[neon elk]

Honestly here and ingame

U can watch streamers but most of the times its day and night compared to random pug

[heavy sparrow]

Talking to people online helps

[neon elk]

Like go play dung, do a pull , if it works its fine if it doesnt analyze why it doesnt work. Or ask here how people play XY, its hard to answer a question like " how do u push and where u learn it"

[lusty grotto]

log and we can help you

or find your character in warcraftlogs, its possible somebody has logged the runs anyway

[next plover]

I mean I have a 95% sb uptime and I also try to keep ignore pain at the same time it helps the healer

[lusty grotto]

you keep IP at the same time with proper play

[next plover]

I think so? I hope so! Haha

[lusty grotto]

i.e. using IP when about to cap rage

not in any other circumstance, sans pure magic damage thats not spell blockable, or against bleeds or any type of unblockable damage where you treat it as a maintenance buff like SB

[next plover]

Idk I just press it when it’s about to wear off

Is that wrong?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[next plover]

Oh

How should u press it?

[lusty grotto]

i just said how

[next plover]

I’m confused where

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[chilly brook]

[lusty grotto]

nice

[chilly brook]

also looted a warbound Mug's Moxie Jug on the previous boss

[lusty grotto]

oh yeah i have one

[chilly brook]

now I just gotta figure out what toons those go to

[fading tide]

Anything change talent wise with 4 p?

[lusty grotto]

battering ram

no indom

battering ram + ravager

[next plover]

But ip can negate damage shouldnt u want it on?

[lusty grotto]

i think youre a little bit confused

i didnt say dont put it on

i said WHEN to put it on

[next plover]

yes but ignore pain still works against physical damage

[lusty grotto]

so?

[next plover]

so wouldnt u want it for both?

[lusty grotto]

its nothing compared to block

again

i didnt say dont put it on

[next plover]

u said to not reapply when its about to fall off

[lusty grotto]

nope

i said press IP at 70+ rage

[next plover]

?????

[lusty grotto]

theres a difference between

pressing IP at 70+ rage

and "pressing IP when it falls off"

one of those performs 2 jobs

while the other one might only perform one

the two jobs are: (1) burning rage as you're capping, which you should be doing because AM/Outburst/etc feed off from it without rage starving and (2) getting an IP

does that make sense? or do i have to die again on my last Zoh Shia kill

[lusty grotto]

hello?

[lime mantle]

Wait what.
Isn't IP a relatively significant % of the warrior's survivality? I thought I'd want to always have an IP on so it can be feed by my damage increasing my damage not taken.

Sorry first time I hear the logic, like it sounds 'fine' in paper but feels... off? if that makes sense, feels like it isn't correct do you have some math or similar? I currently press it whenever I am either about to cap OR about to lose it from damage (<1m remaining) or time (<2s remaining).

(take your time and ping whenever, might afk for a bit)

[lusty grotto]

despite what Reddit and healers tell you, IP will not save you from anything, SB will

[lime mantle]

(Also, but unrelated; mad jelly you can run wilds)

[lusty grotto]

IP smoothes out damage

and here in Skyhold, the way we use it is to burn rage outside of some very specific scenarios

Blocking is vastly more important than anything else

[lime mantle]

Let me guess, my healing meter gaslit me because it is an absorb and as such, it is always counted as healing even if it does nothing?
(I keep SB as first priority, but my brain thought it was "Oh keep SB and then try to keep IP as a secondary priority")

[lusty grotto]

with proper rage management, youll keep IP, but no need to overcomplicate it with uptime

[lime mantle]

Less uptime more amount healed

[lusty grotto]

furthermore, with more damage, as colossus....

[lime mantle]

I also (try to) never press IP when I am under 60-70 rage

[lusty grotto]

yeah that's the proper way to go about it

[lime mantle]

yeah but you gotta have an IP Up for Brutal Vitality to work, thus why I said "keeping up the buff" and giving it a slightly higher priority to refresh it when it is about to fall off vs just windmill slamming moar revenge.
I'll try to be less afraid in 12+s now and try to pump more revenges instead of slamming panic'd IPs

[lusty grotto]

if you're chunking outside of Rixa-like scenarios and/or big bleeds...

an IP isn't really gonna save you

and chances are youre doing something very wrong if that's the case

people have a tendency to overestimate the contribution IP gives to survivability

especially Reddit and healers looking at meters

[lime mantle]

It is more one of those "Oh this is a very big pull, I will DIE forever if I am not rolling CDs and keeping SB+IP up!" not based on actually dying, more on feelscraft, as you said, being gaslit by the heal counter and thus over-valuating it.

[lusty grotto]

HPS is never the goal of us anyway

[lime mantle]

(I sorta forget that absorbs are counted in an odd way)

[lusty grotto]

aaaaaaaaaaand i get a shit vault, big surprise

[fallow fern]

What to choose..? I have heroic crit/haste helm and heroic tier legs.. is this trinket any good; seems to sim pretty decent in AOE..

[lime mantle]

I am not opening mine and getting my third weapon ||for a dps spec. I will not use||

[lusty grotto]

probably socket

remnant might not sim badly but

youre probably gonna replace it

if anything you can pick it to get a uppy discount

[fallow fern]

then i should take the tier legs no? heroic to myth..?

[lusty grotto]

actually wait

those are myth

either helm or legs for sure

fuck the trinket

either of those is equal in stat budget

just pick whatever has tertiaries or w/e if they have them

[fallow fern]

the legs actually have avoidance.. for what thats worth

[lusty grotto]

yeah sure pick those

its a small bonus

[lime mantle]

avoidance is bis, lets you stand in fire more.
And as we know, stand in fire, dps higher.

[lusty grotto]

plus you wont have to wait for next week's catalyst

but if youre like me and get this shit ass fucking vault

where the only option is legs into catalyst

and i have 0 charges

i might as well not pick anything

[lime mantle]

Could be worse, imagine the legs are a meme trinket like hateful viscera :`)

[fallow fern]

if i took the helm would you catalyst it? or keep the haste/vers as off tier?

[lusty grotto]

catalyst

our off piece is chest

[fallow fern]

does the same go for if i get the myth crit/haste one from vexxie?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[fallow fern]

we want the one from meadery?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[round cliff]

have you checked to see if you live on a native american burial ground

[lusty grotto]

lmao

😢

at some point i might just need to create a new warrior

instead of this old ass vanilla born GUID

[round cliff]

i got jastor diamond in vault today ..

arguably worse than just getting a myth ring but w/e

was an upgrade

[lusty grotto]

nice

[round cliff]

if it makes u feel any better

im sure my streak of getting bis items in vault will end next week

!

[lusty grotto]

lol

never wish it away haha

[round cliff]

make orc

[lusty grotto]

ive been orc

[round cliff]

thought u were dwarf

[lusty grotto]

vanilla human until WoD

went orc cause of faction imbalance

then went dwarf in DF

when cross faction guilds became a thing

[fallow fern]

wierd.. atm my sim says the haste/vers helm is highest dps

[lusty grotto]

thats not weird

its expected

[heavy sparrow]

Sim it 5 times

[lusty grotto]

the reason why its expected is youre not simming the full set + cinderbrew chest at max myth level

so naturally given your gear in this case

[fallow fern]

ahh

[lusty grotto]

it might put the helm up there by not a lot

basically stat dispairty

[fallow fern]

although it doesnt show there.. i do have myth chest/shoulders/hands all at 678

[lusty grotto]

you have to sim the entire thing

[fallow fern]

pants only at 658

[lusty grotto]

what nome put in the guide is the item set that yields higher dps

every piece is important

because of stat allocation

if you cant sim it completely, individual pieces might sim more against an imperfect set, or less

just pick legs and cata them

they have a tertiary so might as well use it

[fallow fern]

true true..! sorry I alwasy over think vault day.. its a curse

[ionic nimbus]

perfect! Coins in the vault

[tribal marten]

Hello, Anyone knows if Cinderbrew Stein trinket is good for prot warrior?

[lusty grotto]

its meh

not bad but not good

[ionic nimbus]

is it good for any specc?

[lusty grotto]

idk

this is the prot channel

ask in arms and fury ig

i wouldnt fucking wear it as arms though

[ionic nimbus]

i mean another tank specc

seems pretty mid for every tank or even less

[lusty grotto]

the fuck i know

[weary saddle]

imho its bad

[tribal marten]

Sounds Op tho, giving randomly almost 6k+ primary to an allie but dont know the proc rate

[lusty grotto]

its bad

the stat thing is usually bugged

the stat thing is why its so high in the guide

but you cant really control when it happens

and sometimes it just doesnt, like i mentioned, it can bug out

its 2ppm

also you cant choose who it goes to

would be great if you could at least do that

[weary saddle]

yes any RNG effect is generally bad for tanks

[slender bison]

No idea what to get, as I have 665 weapon/shield/helm

[lusty grotto]

shield

is the helm hero or myth track

[slender bison]

Yeah, was thinking that too

[lusty grotto]

the one you have, not the vault one

[lusty grotto]

well its either shield or helm, but i would go shield

[slender bison]

Already got 4pc with Chest

[lusty grotto]

since you can get helm again

but haste/crit shields, there's only 2 in keys

[fierce cradle]

Hey! Do we want to go over haste softcap?!

[lusty grotto]

yes, we ignore softcaps

[slender bison]

@lusty grotto yeah, I can catalyze a random helm later. Shame about weapon, would be great to boost dmg a bit

[fierce cradle]

just took signet from vault, and felt kinda off with haste use but aight!

[lusty grotto]

signet blows for us

but its okay if you have a full group

2 min doesnt align with our CDs

[frosty tide]

If it was a 1.5 min CD it would be better

Alas we have to use House

[fierce cradle]

yea, took it kinda just for raid

[frosty tide]

I got an indestructible shield I got real lucky

[heavy sparrow]

Anyone else sticks with 5 or more different gem colours?

[frosty tide]

Stats sucks though it’s the one from Priory

[lusty grotto]

youll get another weapon, theres a fuckton in keys this season

so more chances of showing up on vault

[slender bison]

Block value from 85K to 92.7K. Nice

[neon elk]

Arent there 4 colors only ?

[lusty grotto]

theres 5

but orange is not worth

youll nerf yourself by a large amount by using a stam gem

[neon elk]

Right, totaly forget about that one

[lusty grotto]

as you should 🙂

[neon elk]

8% extra ms is more than enough for zooming

[heavy sparrow]

Types**

[fair beacon]

Any of these trinkets worth taking (I got 5 options, one of which is a myth track trinket)? and I already have a myth chest, so I do not need that one

[neon elk]

Color or type, same thing, as nim said there are 5, 4 worth using , wheter u use 4 or just follow sims with 1 is up to you difference is pretty small

Its probably bit bigger when using crit meta one, but thats simable

[frail ibex]

Pog pog pog pog pog pog pog

Fat c*ck gaming

[lusty grotto]

do you have experience with anvil or signet from amirdrassil from DF?

if you do, then kezan is similar, otherwise nothing there is particularly exciting

[fair beacon]

I have had both, but no much oppertunity to use them as I also got the fyrakk trinkets early on

[slender bison]

Did you pull Gorechop wing starting trash with BL?

[lusty grotto]

ok keep in mind that you need to stay in combat, so in keys there are some where its not that good (like ToP, etc)

its very strong if you can keep combat going

[sharp abyss]

first good vault in TWW, i am little bit confused, can someone gimme advice for raiding?

[fair beacon]

which trinket we talking about?

[lusty grotto]

tome

[lusty grotto]

kezan

[fair beacon]

the mythic stein trinket or the hc kezan?

[neon elk]

Its either kezan or socket imo for ya

[lusty grotto]

fuck the mythic stein

[fair beacon]

so the stein is not worth it even on mythic?

[lusty grotto]

procs when your buddies dont need it, cant choose group members, can bug out and not proc

its 🤷‍♂️

[fair beacon]

3 BIS pieces in one vault 🙂

[lusty grotto]

2 many RNG factors with that trinket

if at least one wasnt... then it'd be decent

like either choosing a person, or making it on use

[fair beacon]

I would take the tome, because the ring can still drop from weekly hc kills, and the titan of industiry can be taken with the specialized token on myth track later down the road. the tome however is dropped on myth track MAYBE on a weekly vault rotation

[lusty grotto]

read pins for tome

[frail ibex]

Nope

Just went to glad wing

And put lust on cd when it came up on boss

[fair beacon]

thanks mate. when looking at the tier list, the kezan trinket was shown on high priority, however when looking the stein previous comments, some people had accounted it for like half the healing bar in early attempts, hence the confusion (also, myth track stuff is always attractive).

on a side note, the big red button from mythic cauldron raid boss, useful?

[lusty grotto]

depends on how it sims

but i wouldnt put it past a hero kezan

idk how likely you are of getting another kezan

depends if you get fed loot

since a lot of classes also want that trinket

bombsuit, kezan, house are the top trinkets in raid

[fair beacon]

ok then, I was using the hero 665 tome and bombsuit, now replace the bombsuit for kezan in raids?

[lusty grotto]

with kezan and house being wanted by everybody

sure, replace it when youre doing reclears and/or vault keys

[fair beacon]

or just go with the bombsuit and take the socket?

[lusty grotto]

...

did you not read what i just wrote

[fair beacon]

sorry, the net is bad so half the time my response comes way after yours 😄

thanks again for your answers mate 🙂

[lusty grotto]

np, just dont bat an eye for S+ tier rare trinkets that multiple classes want because its likely you wont see it again on the vault

[fair beacon]

or at all since I started doing hc in boost groups for gold now, was just wondering how good of a trinket kezan actually is (compared to the farmable tome and seaforium trinkets)

[lusty grotto]

its S ranked in the guide for a reason

[fair beacon]

better raid logs, here I come 😄

Speaking of S+ tier stuff, we got like 3-4 pieces on the last boss alone (shield, ring, and both trinkets). When the cartel chip comes out, which one do you guys would gain the most value to grab on myth track?

[lusty grotto]

guide has you covered

but its likely not shield

trinkets

the 3 i mentioned basically

[fair beacon]

the wowhead one? cause it actually suggests all of them depending on a person's attitude towards going defensive or offensive, dungeon or raid. however, it does talk about the ring separately, so I guess that is where the writer's own proclivity lies 🙂

[lusty grotto]

huh

you mean Nome?

i mean, once again

Jastor, House of Cards, Kezan, are things EVERYONE wants

not tanks

e v e r y o n e

shield is not worth if you have a myth shield already, its a very small dps increase

and 0 survivability increase over another myth shield

[fair beacon]

I never really understood the house of cards thing, kinda like the dungeon mastery burst trinket from last season. mastery is set as our last priority, and yet the mastery burst trinkets are among our best 😄

[lusty grotto]

its big AP

= big damage

mastery = AP

read the mastery tooltip

also mastery being last does not make it a bad stat

nor should you avoid it

there's a reason why every single season we choose to have tier pieces with mastery in them, by design, at least to a bare minimum

[fair beacon]

Here's to hoping for a myth shield next week (or maybe if I can kill rik reverb this week) 😄

[fair beacon]

lore-wise, while crit is always juicy and attractive, I have personally opted for flat power increase, which is why any season vers and crit were on the same value, I opted for vers. I just like consistency in general 🙂

[lusty grotto]

house of cards is 10237 mastery fully stacked, thats 15.3k AP

its massive

thats 6/6 myth values

[fair beacon]

how about the block value increase? considerable, or merely a side effect?

[lusty grotto]

no

mastery doesnt increase block value

your shield does

it increases block chance

which doesnt matter

because we have SB

and increases crit block chance

which is okay to have

but the AP the trinket gives is the reason why its giga bis

[fair beacon]

doesn't it increase the crit block chance?

[lusty grotto]

your net is really bad

but i havent really heard about anyone having discord chat lagging ever

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

[fair beacon]

yeah, net really crummy cause I am kinda out on the road atm. really had to know what I had in my vault before I go home today. It was a nice talk mate, thank you and good luck 🙂

[marble shadow]

Hi Guys, sorry, not great at choosing and I am unsure how to sim my prot warrior for these. I am feeling I should be upgrading my hosue of cards from champ level to hero? Or would Myth track shoulders or signet of priory be better? (Shame it wasn't the book from priory )

[sand condor]

Its best to just sim for dmg, we grow more survivable with stats so more stats more strong

[marble shadow]

ah okay

i'll start that then - thank you vic

[sand condor]

So i suggest just doing a standard sim and takingg whTever its says gives ghe biggest upgrade

You’re welcome. I am not wizzard warrior by any means but that gets me to all 12s and mythic kills so it should work

[ocean smelt]

Unsure which one to take from the vault 🤔

For those who don't speak French it's either pacemaker from Floodgate or set legs with leeche

[ionic nimbus]

Trinket

You can catalyst any other legs from the Vault/Raid

But the only way to get this insane good trinket is from the vault

Gz for a big vault

[ocean smelt]

Yeah that make sense, thank you (and yeah very happy with this one xD)

[ionic nimbus]

Np

[bright plume]

sup lads quick vault question. could grab bombsuit, eye of kezan or ringing ritual mud (which i have on heroic track). which one would u guys chose for mostly m+?

[ionic fern]

This guy.

Holy crap.

Eye of Kezan.

[bright plume]

how is it used in keys?

[ionic fern]

Just never leave combat.

[bright plume]

so its trash in workshop and rookery?

[ionic fern]

Jeah, if you can't keep it up properly it's meh. If you can, it's great.

If you doubt yourself, grab bombsuit.

But please don't run bombsuit and Mud both.

[bright plume]

aight tyvm

[prisma echo]

Guys how you feel with mud trin? Is it helpfull on Keys 13+? I wanna farm it sometimes i feel another def cd would be helpfull for some bosses (flood first, rookery last, top last) but i wanna ask for some thoughts for guys that play it now

I wanna swap tome for it

[round pendant]

time to be disappointed with my vault

Pain.

Myth ring is better than circlet right? it's 4.5k haste 2.5k vers

that haste is so tempting

[slender bison]

Best belt you can get is Hero from Floodgate with crit/haste

And that ring is BiS

Next to the ToP one

[round pendant]

can catalyst belts for crit/haste belt

but yeah

[slender bison]

Kinda rush to use catalysts on other stuff than Shoulders/Head/Chest/Legs

You would feel angry if you got a Myth Head next week and no catalysts 😛

[round pendant]

next week I get another catalyst charge

but yeah I get your point

I have full hero tier atm so not too concerned about it

[slender bison]

I was lucky to get x2 Myth Set 2 vaults in a row

Now Myth shield

[round pendant]

I would have had myth chest last week but I picked 2h for arms since I wasn't tanking in my premade

[slender bison]

My tank career is going places. Those VDHs in 14 keys dont stand a chance

[round pendant]

but then the tank dipped

so now I just have a useless 2h in my bags

[lofty glen]

what do we dropp for BSV? i kinda want to pik it now cause i wanna try on 12+ this week

[gloomy yacht]

Is hc knuckles more worth then 675 crafted with ascension?

[next plover]

Bsv is just dope all around I love it

[sour flicker]

I dont use ravager and get idomitable, also prefer to swap for disrupting shout

[next plover]

Should we ever swap out the 11.0.5 ring or is it perma bis?

[alpine ravine]

Sim your options.

[lofty glen]

2 myth rings way better with good stats. arms also swap it much earlyer

[fair sonnet]

how scary is a +10 as a somewhat unksilled warrior tank at ilvl 635?

I just sort of double +2-ed my key up from 6 and now I don't know if I should try 😄

[next plover]

635 u might struggle a bit

But also depends on if it’s a pug and the dungeon

[fair sonnet]

maybe look or a weekly no-leaver group

[vale escarp]

Why are you running Thunderlord?

[fair sonnet]

would be a pug, yes

I'm familiar with tanking, main is prot paladin, and I felt quite safe in a +8 tbh

[next plover]

Well give it a go worst u can do is brick it

[fair sonnet]

good point

[next plover]

Just be careful for certain boss tank busters might hurt a lot in a 10

But if it doesn’t go well ignore everyone and send the 9 XD

[lofty glen]

idk just a leftover from Mountain i guess 😄 XD

[fair sonnet]

dat scythe

[lofty glen]

should i go for the silence aoe tount?

[next plover]

Thunderlord is really good

Even on colossus now

[sour flicker]

oh hell yeah, I cant imagine pugging without it

[lofty glen]

well never had problems XD

[next plover]

Interrupting an entire pack for 6 seconds is pretty nuts if you can get your hands on it

[lofty glen]

is there a dungeon to dropp spell block for tough as nails?

[glad jacinth]

my sims is already saying to replace circlet with 2 hero track rings

[round pendant]

Battering Ram or Ravager

[round pendant]

Not really, Spell Block has useful moments in every dungeon imo

[alpine ravine]

does r1 pwar stream? idk how to find his douyu if he does

[lofty glen]

i kinda forget it everytime XD

[round pendant]

What key levels you running?

[lofty glen]

10-11

[round pendant]

yeah you can get away with never using it

but I'd just look at the spreadsheet in the pins and figure how where to start using it regardless

I also don't use it as much as I should

Honestly think I would benefit from just sending it on CD at this point lmao

[lofty glen]

well i just dont know which mobs are spell heavy or phys heavy

[round vortex]

Look at this horse shit lol

[lofty glen]

but dont you want to have 25% crit atleast

[round pendant]

Yeah, check the pin

[round vortex]

This is stat weights

not % but which stat gives most damage.

[round pendant]

stat weights are pointless

[round vortex]

Typically we just stack haste because of how the class works, and ignore these.

I’ve been going all in on Crit Haste

[round vortex]

Well they aren’t pointless. There is rhyme and reason them them and they give you some indication of what the sins are doing.

But it’s interested to see

[astral pendant]

Haste / crit pretty much a winner I think?

[round vortex]

Like I just sim my gear, but it’s kinda cool to see what it thinks when it tells me to fully swap to vers gems and put on other stat gear

[blazing condor]

I remember the time i only had 39% haste instead of 40% and it ended up bricking my keys

[ionic fern]

Battering Ram or Ravager.

[unborn island]

Mythic Tome, LFG

[tired prairie]

Mythic-BiS-Dungeon Shield (already got crafted Shield) or Mythic-Off-Set Legs for Cata next Week?

[silent steeple]

The pins in this channel are very good^^ found the answer to my question super fast:D

[strong forum]

yeah sorry, the APL in pins was missing the line where it forces you into B-stance, either way the sim is correct nonetheless

https://i.imgur.com/RUaDeKJ.png

658 tome is a 50k dps gain over 665 rik reverb trinket for example

__ How to sim Tome of Lights Devotion__

If you want to sim Tome of Lights Devotion while min-maxing the trinket, use this APL and copy-paste it into the "custom APL" section at the bottom of raidbots.

I opted to not include this APL by default because this trinket REQUIRES you to play around it. Most people by default will not do so. With the default APL it just uses the trinket on CD without much thought put into it and thus also gives the expected value.

People who are more curios and planning to optimally use the trinket will then seek out information why it sims so low, being led to this very post here .

[zealous dagger]

Hello, shouldi change this shield for crafted?

[strong forum]

yah

given that your only other 2 options are bracers

[zealous dagger]

Yeah, and and i have bracers crafted too 😄

[round pendant]

myth shield > crafted shield

[zealous dagger]

I Checked murlok.io and shit but nobody ever use this shield.. thats why iam asking 😄

Most of top prot war players still use crafted or raid sheild 😄

[bold turret]

Is there a writing guide/explanation on what min-maxing tome actually is?

[round pendant]

Press it when it's on shield mode to switch it to sword mode

don't do that if it's close to switching naturally (50 stacks)

[bold turret]

So nothing else than keep it on sword?

[round pendant]

Yeah pretty much

[strong forum]

is in the pins

[strong forum]

cuz shocker, not everybody got this BIS shield in their vault yet

😄

the only shield thats better than that one is from myth gally

[zealous dagger]

Ok so shield it is thanks 🙂

[small steeple]

Don’t know if anyone said this but block, dodge, and parry all are calculated before any absorb shield. Not after

[strong forum]

IP is literally the last absorb that ever occurs

[compact silo]

anyone got weakaura for Luck of the draw because the ones from wowhead dont seem to trigger

or at least the buff id because i cant find it

[strong forum]

1218163

[neon elk]

Ngl in still bit confused by our stats , everyone says to ignore first DR on haste, and everyone says to just follow sims, yet my sims want me to play with like 16k haste or so, do i follow sims or just stack haste like mad ? xd

[lusty grotto]

years ago IP was factored in before SB

or at least i recall it was during the Thyme era

but makes sense

so for reference (and if this is the case) its:
DR > block/parry/dodge > full absorb > partial absorb
in that order at least in 2025 (corrected)

unless IPs are now considered outside of other partial absorbs

[round pendant]

god I can't stand pugging as dps

[compact silo]

isnt it the same with healer and tank? :p

[round pendant]

no

if I play tank I get tank privilege and join/fill groups np

[arctic citrus]

question: when do we drop cyrce ring?

when we get 2x hero rings?

[lusty grotto]

when other rings sim higher

[arctic citrus]

got it

thanks

[small steeple]

Pretty sure block/parry/dodge is before any absorb. Parry and dodge I am really sure because those straight calculate if you get hit, and when activate it’s a miss, so for a parry blow to be absorbed first then parry doesn’t make any sense. Same with dodge. I believe block occurs at the same time parry/dodge but I’m not 100% on that

[lusty grotto]

its not

full absorb comes first

i just checked

the combat log reports nothing on a full absorb

[small steeple]

Parry? Or block?

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter

[heavy sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/lilnouns-nouns-lil-nouns-dao-noggles-gif-27131043

[solid sun]

It’s like a force field in Star Trek. You can’t parry the blow because the attack was stifled by the absorb shield

[small steeple]

Yes it does. Because parry and dodge literally make it so you don’t get hit

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter which of the two

[solid sun]

Your character chooses not to dodge or parry because shields up

[lusty grotto]

absorbs come first

[solid sun]

Classic RPG maneuver

[lusty grotto]

equip a fyraaks, put SB on and run up to the tank dummy

0 damage is reported

no parry messages

etc etc etc

thats the reason why full absorbs cheese certain mechanics

but also the reason why full absorbs are fucking bad

because they take 100% of the damage up front

[small steeple]

Not sure how that relates to parry? 100% shield block is different from parry. Also, are you talking about immunities? Not an absorb shield?

[lusty grotto]

full ABSORBS

come before parry/dodge/block

Coccoon, PS, Fyraak or similar trinkets

[vital vale]

absorbs have their own hp bar before your hp bar. the attack damages the absorb and then you parry it before it reaches your own hp

[lusty grotto]

what is the confusion here?

yeah

but to be fair so does partial absorbs

[solid sun]

Bubble boy can’t parry anything until his bubble gets popped

[lusty grotto]

and they are calculated after block/parry/dodge

[small steeple]

Bubble isn’t an absorb. That’s an immunity

[vital vale]

can details calculate the total damage prevented with parries/dodges?

[solid sun]

I’m not referencing pally bubbles

Look at coccoon. It’s a big ol bubble around your character

[lusty grotto]

it can but getting there is fucky

its not built in by default

[vital vale]

im just curious how much my 11%~ is parry contributes to my overall dungeon healing compared to say, Leech

[lusty grotto]

probably needs a plugin etc

logs are your best bet

[small steeple]

None, but logs will show how many attacks are missed and what the cause was. Which is why I’m saying parry is before absorb shields. It literally makes the attack calculate as a miss

[lusty grotto]

and youre wrong

cause parries show up in the combat log

and when a full absorb is on NOTHING SHOWS IN THE COMBAT LOG

we've had the parry discussion before

they are literally in the same bracket as block

and dodge

it doesnt matter if they prevent 100% damage

[solid sun]

I get the confusion tbh. If something like parry means the attack is negated, it’s not a stretch to assume that would be determined prior to an absorb shield eating it, but it just doesn’t work that way

[small steeple]

No we haven’t. Unless you mean me asking about this last night?

[lusty grotto]

not with you

we've had it here

in this channel

in the past

just search what order parry is in

dude you can just test

get a fyraak and run into a dummy

[small steeple]

Idk you mean by fyraak

[lusty grotto]

IF THE COMBAT LOG DOESNT REPORT AN INSTANCE OF DAMAGE THEN FULL ABSORBS ARE ASSUMED TO BE FIRST

because when you parry

your combat log says "you parried"

[small steeple]

And it’s not like i can test this right now,

[lusty grotto]

and if a full absorb is on, you never get that message

and if a full absorb is on, you never get a block message either

i dont understand what kind of proof you need

[small steeple]

Are you saying you can “parry” a dot?

[lusty grotto]

why are you putting words into what im saying

[small steeple]

I don’t see why you keep saying use that trinket

[lusty grotto]

BECAUSE ITS A FULL ABSORB AND I DONT HAVE MUD

holy fuck

[solid sun]

It might be easier on bdk because I think DRW gives you 100% parry and if you have an absorb on you it’d be easy to test if you’re parrying or not

[lusty grotto]

yeah for sure

[small steeple]

And that’s where my knowledge for this is coming from. That’s why I was/am under the impression parry is first before shields

[vital vale]

but does it damage the shield?

[solid sun]

I get it. But nim wouldn’t be this adamant without having proof or having someone like nome declare it so obviously full absorbs come first

[lusty grotto]

yeah we get what youre saying, you've only said it like 5 times

but no

parry DOES NOT come before full absorbs

the game rolls for parry/block/dodge on the same stage

if you dont get a block or parry message, no damage came in to roll for it

and thats what happens with full absorbs

full absorbs

not partial

like IP

[hardy snow]

so if a hit is gonna do 1M dmg, but I have 600k full absorb, it will eat the absorb and then I can parry remaining 400k?

[lusty grotto]

correct

[hardy snow]

thats quite dumb in the design, makes full absorbs less value against blockable etc. attacks

[lusty grotto]

indeed

thats why we dont like full absorbs

and why treemouth > fyraak last expansion

[solid sun]

Unless it’s oracle disc

[lusty grotto]

and why bomb suit > mud this season

[hardy snow]

But I remember IP was eaten before fyrakk for me, or I maybe noticed it wrongly

[late hawk]

its nostalgic for when prot didn't want them in vanilla either

[lusty grotto]

not only what you were saying but full absorbs just dont fucking last at all

but IP and partials do

because DR and block come first so they last

and parry

[solid sun]

Better not forget parry, dude

It’s a parry party rn

[hardy snow]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[hardy snow]

does basic armor reduction counts in that as well?

[lusty grotto]

hmmm

1 sec

i wanna say armor takes precedence over parry/block/dodge

but im not 100% sure

[urban portal]

really

absorbs get eaten before parries?

thats actually some bs

[small steeple]

There are many events that occur without being reported in the combat log. Off the top of my head, for BDK blood plague and Soul Reaper applied by dancing rune weapon don't show up, but we know they happen

[lusty grotto]

its like ive turned back time and gone back to DF

ok dude

im done

provide some proof

[small steeple]

you too my friend

you haven't yet either

[lusty grotto]

i did

[small steeple]

show it then

you just claimed it without providing the proof

[lusty grotto]

you have to be the most anal nit picker ever

if someone isnt called Nome, someone in this disc since 2019

but sure, ill provide it as soon as this theater troupe is done

[urban portal]

let me ask in the brew discord

let me see their opinion on the absorb thing

[small steeple]

Thank you

[small steeple]

and that is a good idea, dodge should be done at the same time as parry

[urban portal]

i just want a 3rd party opinion

[small steeple]

agreed

[lusty grotto]

dont thank me

i expect your proof

otherwise fuck you for making me do this

[lusty grotto]

speaking of fuck yous

[next yacht]

xD

[late hawk]

is upgrading tome worth it over stat gear? i have a few myth track items that need upgrading

[lusty grotto]

you wanna up shield > weapon > trinkets over everything else

[ionic nimbus]

Our hate us your fuel @next yacht

[lusty grotto]

then helm/chest/legs > belt/boots > bracers/cloak > accessories

[hardy snow]

isnt upgrading high budget item, like chest or legs be better than trinket?

[lusty grotto]

i usually do trinkets first

if the trinkets are good

[tall sleet]

hey, i'm new in this Discord, but do we have a place to help for Vault Choice?

[lusty grotto]

this is a damage taken message

notice

unmitigated first

block 2nd

IP 3rd

yes, thats IP

this is a section where fyraak was up

notice, no messages regarding damage

let me timestamp this

[urban portal]

this is what ppal is saying

[small steeple]

So Umbilicus eternus is up. A full absorb. Yet I am still parrying

[small steeple]

Then explain what I showed

Advanced logs are always better than the in game combat feed

[forest sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-huh-what-i-don't-understand-i-am-not-clear-about-it-gif-2326494806204735282

I press demolish

[small steeple]

mmm. zug zug

[lusty grotto]

fine

[astral pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-hader-eating-popcorn-keith-morrison-dateline-snl-gif-25666169

[lusty grotto]

i concede

fuck off

[small steeple]

Thank you for believing evidence. I am sorry this got so heated

[lusty grotto]

DR > Block/Parry/Dodge > Full Absorb > IP/Partial

[lusty grotto]

fuck

you

[small steeple]

Like I said I'm sorry this got so heated

[lusty grotto]

funny enough, the combat log does report the damage

at least inside an instance

[small steeple]

Weird, blizzard spaghetti at its finest?

[paper minnow]

hi guys, should i have a cap of versatility?

or with 6% im fine :S

[lusty grotto]

no, you shouldn't

any value is fine

[paper minnow]

thanks 🙂