protection

[lusty grotto]

eh

[undone beacon]

I mean like, rage at me if you want you aint finishing this shit without me (it wasnt going to be timed anyways with the hunter doing tank damage and dying on every pull)

[lusty grotto]

its funny except for the fact that they waste everyone's time

its infuriating knowing its timeable

[undone beacon]

yeah thats another level of frustrating

[graceful kite]

What can you do tho

Except laughing at them

[lusty grotto]

blacklist them to hell

[neon elk]

Tbf in 10s i would like if some DDs i had would do tank dmg ..

[lusty grotto]

thats what i do

if you leave a timeable key, youre getting blacklisted instantly

regardless if i need it timed or not

[graceful kite]

Both are viable tho

[slender bison]

Big Momma Electrocrush is brutal in 14. Holy moly

[graceful kite]

Whatever gets you another bl cast in the dungeon is better

[undone beacon]

Yes both are viable but I wanted lust on the boss, at that point you sit down and shut the fuck up and let me tank because we were well within proper lust timings

If people have constructive criticism I'm all for it in pugs, because I'm not a perfect tank but when I say "I'd rather lust boss" and you start bitching and moaning like, go roll a tank

[slender bison]

What dungeon?

[undone beacon]

Its a fucking 10 you can time that without a lust if your dps aren't braindead

Theater of Pain

Too bad the DPS were braindead

[slender bison]

Lust boss 1 , Xav if late else Gorechop trash

Else you can't time BLs

[hardy snow]

you do realize lust is mostly for dps, not for tank?

[slender bison]

ToP always needs Gorechop trash BL to time it comfortably with death errors

Never BL in high keys the ghosts + Soul mob

[undone beacon]

No shit sherlock

But lusting a pack that dies in 10 seconds and then letting lust tick down while you're moving to next pack isn't good for dps

[hardy snow]

yea, thats bad

[slender bison]

You have to pull all of them

Including bridge patrol

[undone beacon]

On higher keys and with different timings its viable, but on a 10 for vault it aint worth shit 9 out of 10 times

[undone beacon]

Yeah, I've seen that one done

[slender bison]

It's standard pull. Just get Disrupting Shout and it's done

Usually in ToP you skip 3rd miniboss and you are early to Xav so next BL timer is at that trashpack

Also as a tank you should always call for invi skips and whatnot, regardless if priest or monk in group

[weary forge]

wowhead says to craft 2x weakest slots and then a shield

im gearing my prot warrior, all low level shit rn, and i have a champ track gally shield, so its not worth crafting over

what do i craft/whats a safe bet?
weapon for offspec?

also do we offspec better with arms or fury

[undone beacon]

Crafting a 675 shield is better than any gally shield except mythic

[weary forge]

gotcha

[undone beacon]

Arms only needs a single two-hander to play so its easier to flex into

[idle copper]

Is that the corridor just before the boss?

[weary forge]

but we only run one handers

[undone beacon]

And Fury and Arms use 2-handers

[slender bison]

No, when you enter the wing

[undone beacon]

Arms needs 1, fury needs 2

[weary forge]

fury runs 2 two handers? how doe that work

[mighty valley]

they can dual wield two handers

that's all

[undone beacon]

They have a mechanic called titans grip that lets them use 2 2-handers

[weary forge]

gotcha

[undone beacon]

You can play fury with 2 1 handers but its not as potent

[weary forge]

wait is that why my dps would of been potentially shit on fury? was running two one handers

[undone beacon]

yes

[idle copper]

The pull just as you enter, do you tag the next mob on as well?

[undone beacon]

Theres a talent called Single-Minded Fury that synergizes with two 1-handers but you lost a notable amount of stats (and a talent point) that way

[weary forge]

prot has to use a one hander

right

[undone beacon]

Correct

1 Hander and a Shield

[mighty valley]

1h fury is usually like....5-10% behind

[weary forge]

so if i wanta weapon for arms/fury i need to craft/lootspec switch

[undone beacon]

Shield is the most important piece of gear

[undone beacon]

yes

But if you want to focus on prot dont waste 2 sparks on an off spec weapon

[slender bison]

Shield Charge -> TC/Ravager the room -> Heroic Throw the bridge patrol, Champ Spear/Dragon Bleed the room and then BL

[idle copper]

thank you

[undone beacon]

Get the 60 gildeds and make a big boy shield unless you want to gamble in the vault tomorrow for a myth shield, and then idk probably a 1-hander. Can always sim it too

[edgy lagoon]

Hey guys, did anyone had issues with intervene on sproketmonger ?

[slender bison]

But it halps a lot to have Disrupting Shout, as it will help with 6 seconds of silence on the vomiting mobs

[undone beacon]

what helps even more is people not standing out in the middle of nowhere SMH MY HEAD

Ranged players infuriate me

[slender bison]

Yeah, but if you plan big pulls, you need to over-prepare for DPS to fuck up kicks. This ToP pull is the hardest pull in the current season after the Rookery hall before the 2nd boss

Due to the timing constraints

(PUG context)

[lusty grotto]

I do the Kira route on ToP

So I don't lust gorechop trash

[slender bison]

We have routes in ToP? :))

[lusty grotto]

Yes

[slender bison]

Oh, so Lich first?

[lusty grotto]

You go glad first pack + mini boss first

Then go construct wing

That guarantees lust for Gorechop + 2 Pack instead

[slender bison]

Gorechop Lust kinda waste, you jump/move too much

[lusty grotto]

Gorechop lust not a waste, because the boss lasts for fucking ever

[slender bison]

And high chance of insta-death

[lusty grotto]

It's way more efficient

[slender bison]

In 14s, if x2 mobs focus 1 clothie he's dead - that is a possibility

[lusty grotto]

Plus you have the 2 pack

[slender bison]

The two guys are useless, everybody cleaves them

[lusty grotto]

The Kira route,you really think he's doing it on 14s?

Try higher

[slender bison]

No idea whos Kira

But we have to discriminate between coordinated routes vs PUG routes

Lots of sweatlords with amazing routes which are zero in PUGs

[lusty grotto]

It's not a pug thing

It's a lust thing

And it's 500% more efficient lusting on gorechop, period

That dumb first pack is easy enough

Typhoon + spear and you play stops

Well, triple

Or quad

[slender bison]

Honestly, yeah, ToP is comfy dungeon this season

[lusty grotto]

Whatever

[slender bison]

Like its easier to get a bunch of randos to time it. Than Mechagon for example

Which is much stricter

[lusty grotto]

So anyway with that route you lust 1st boss, gorechop, lich and last boss

[slender bison]

What do you skip?

[lusty grotto]

Alternatively a mini if not death or port skipping

[slender bison]

Aha

[devout star]

how do i start big pulls on collosus with ravager and dragon roar

[lusty grotto]

Spec crackling

Tclap

And troar

[devout star]

when do i use ravager and demolish

[lusty grotto]

When they are grouped, lol

0 reason to use demolish on anything not grouped

You're losing a fat load of damage if you do

[slender bison]

SC -> TC -> Shout if you're not confident -> stack mobs -> DPS cooldowns

[lusty grotto]

And ideally with avatar and demo shout up

Put ravage down and spam revenge with all the rage it gives you

[undone beacon]

I just macro'd ravager to drop on my feet so I can hit it when shit is grouped and not think too hard

[slender bison]

Depending on damage profile, you might need an IP first to feed it from revenge damage

[lusty grotto]

Just feed the Outburst IP

But you'll drown in rage anyway

So you will have to burn

[slender bison]

Nice

[kind glen]

ew ravager

[lusty grotto]

Imagine not liking rage

[slender bison]

Next up - macro Intervene/Charge to save your clothie friends or just for mobility

[jagged gust]

It took me like 2 seasons to get comfortable enough to put ravager on mouse tbh

[kind glen]

Ravager has always felt bad to press.

[undone beacon]

I hate ravager from a class design perspective but its just kind of another button to drop and more rage to play with

[slender bison]

That's because you havent xmog your weapon to see it fly in a whirly of zug-zug. Especially on Arms

[jagged gust]

press ravager, spam revenge, life is good

[slender bison]

Ravager effect uses your xmog weapon

[undone beacon]

I'll die on the hill that ravager takes up valuable design space that could be given to something more interesting in the tree

[slender bison]

Like what? Sunder Amor?

[kind glen]

Doesn't make it less lame to press lol. It's just not a fun ability.

Was nice to be viable to drop it, for me anyway

[slender bison]

The only good design they did in the past 5 years is to make Rend effect from TC

Ravager is based. It's shiny. You feel the rage

[undone beacon]

Drop ravager and its children talents, add back Banner for more skill expression. Give us a cool group defensive like sheltering your party behind your shield. Give us something more unique than "wowee ground effect"

[kind glen]

I'd 100% take Banner back

[undone beacon]

Would help give Prot a group niche as well, tank that buffs up allies with banner or can provide great group DRs

[slender bison]

I just want Shield Block/Slam to get better sounds. More metalic. Not frying pans

[undone beacon]

Fuck it drop ravager and put gladiator stance in its place, easy win

[kind glen]

Shield Block BiS sound imo lol

[slender bison]

Ewwww

[slender bison]

Their plan is to remove stances. They giga buffed Def Stance and now they will hopefully make it a default spec passive.

[kind glen]

thunk thunk thunk thunk

[undone beacon]

Is that a stated goal somewhere or an assumption?

[slender bison]

No reason to bloat with stances if nobody uses stance dance anymore

[undone beacon]

I'm just going to make a series of WAs to play loud sounds effects with every cast of shield block so its like it has a different sound EZ GAME

[slender bison]

Assumption, since they always had a de-bloating plan since BFA

[undone beacon]

I think stance dancing is one of the more inspired gameplay aspects of warrior, and its kinda sad to see them de-emphasize it

Maybe a hot take but

[slender bison]

Stance dance was a thing in ... WOTLK?

In PvP

Now the stats are so bloated, Battle Stance 3% crit is like ... ok bro

[jagged gust]

ngl for alts I don't care to deep dive in, the BFA talent system sure was handy. "Do you want the DPS talent, or the fun one?"

[slender bison]

Man, I main disc, the de-bloat they did was cool. In BFA I had to take piano lessons just to heal a goddamn Underrot with 20 buttons

[hardy snow]

why this is 12h CD

[strong forum]

Cuz you share it with your whole raid

And then someone else uses theirs

And then 2 more

And by the time you log-in again you have it ready

[lofty warren]

On rook last boss how do you dodge his shadow punch?

[slender bison]

To trick you in $30 race change

[neon elk]

U are supposed to dodge anything in there? xd

[lofty warren]

I think I saw the guy who did the +18 rook not take damage from his punch

[hardy snow]

but I dont want to be gob, I want to change others in raid

[hardy snow]

half of my raid dont even know what darkfuse rep is

[jagged gust]

Treat it like a hadouken from street fighter

its a slow projectile you can side step

[mighty valley]

on the video he uses vdh leap every time

[graceful kite]

heroic leap to the side

[lofty warren]

Need to know if I'm max ranged without going too far back and killing someone else

[lusty grotto]

melee range on that boss is massive

just side step

[graceful kite]

discoveries sometimes require sacrifices

couple dead dps and you will find out your max range

[lusty grotto]

or you can just move back at the start

but sacrificing dps sounds better tbh

[lofty warren]

Cam I guarantee he will sacrifice someone that doesn't know how to brez?

[graceful kite]

is it your problem tho

and if they die they die in malee so you can res them yourself if you feel guilty

[toxic pewter]

U guys got black trenchcoat

I got mine. Looks good.

[nocturne spindle]

i mean what level of key are you side stepping it...

ive only done it on a 13 but it doesnt really hit hard

[pallid quiver]

Mobility is a form of mitigation that you can use as a part of your kits

just like outranging abilities and the like

It's always better to take 0 damage than any amount of damage, even if it's not necessary

[slender bison]

Do you have to nolife rep farm for it?

[jagged pier]

did u get it? last pull of the night magic for us

[toxic pewter]

Just spent like 8-12 hours doing it with a 2x4 farm group. With good pullers it goes fast.

[lusty grotto]

so nolife

[toxic pewter]

Need it though it’s a black trench coat

Highly recommend to all

[lusty grotto]

sure if you wanna look like a matrix nerd

[toxic pewter]

lol I literally am a trinity Vulpera right now ROFL

[topaz latch]

good mog is like a 15% dps gain. so that trenchcoat nets you -11%.

[toxic pewter]

What in the world…

[hardy snow]

nah, half of day wasted because melee animals cant make one mechanic

MVP of frags was Scrapmaster on melee side

[dreamy crag]

Would anyone know the reason for Party Pack hitting way harder if it pops and I am mid leap vs when I land? Do we lose mitigation mid air or something?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[dreamy crag]

I don’t have access to logs right now, but I’d get 1 shot for 18m dmg if it popped mid air

[lusty grotto]

z-axis is weird with block

[graceful kite]

is party pack blockable

[dreamy crag]

It’d hit for 12ish if I was on the ground. Took me a few runs to realize it was the leap doing it

[lusty grotto]

party pack is spell blockable, so yes

[dreamy crag]

Gotcha, at least it’s explicable. Thanks

[lusty grotto]

on the sheet

but yeah z-axis is weird with block so be careful

[dreamy crag]

Didn’t know leap did some weird stuff to block

[lusty grotto]

not leap itself

z-axis

[idle copper]

Just to be clear you are not pulling the adds that drop down as well, just the wandering guy?

[mighty valley]

think he's describing the first room of the wing, no? not downstairs?

[nocturne spindle]

the hallway is the big lust pull

the intiial one

[idle copper]

Ok, think I was getting mixed up

[crimson furnace]

guys, do we have a list where we track bleed and debuffs that are dispellable with stoneform??

[lusty grotto]

no

does it look like a bleed? you can stoneform it
first pull of cinderbrew? you can stoneform it
first pull of DFC? you can stoneform it
does it have a color border? its dispellable so you can stoneform it

[strong forum]

everything that is dispellable, is dispellable by stoneform

[alpine ravine]

when do we prefer HR instead of ItF

[strong forum]

when you have very very low haste

[lusty grotto]

when you are low on haste

[small steeple]

and or no 4pc

[alpine ravine]

ok i have no 4pc but i have 28% haste without ItF buff

[lusty grotto]

how much rating

[alpine ravine]

15k

[lusty grotto]

use HR

[alpine ravine]

ok thx

[small steeple]

I think 15k is enough for ItF if you have 4pc, depending on your crit

[lusty grotto]

he doesnt have 4pc

he just said so

[small steeple]

oh i misread that lol

[unreal ravine]

what WAs do u guys use on prot war for M+?

[small steeple]

Luxthos

[lusty grotto]

Nome's

its mostly personal preference, just shop around

[jagged gust]

Is it just me or does the raiderio weekly route have way too much faith in pugs

Every single pull looks terrifying based on the quality of my runs so far

[woven temple]

hey new to prot warrior, got to 2500 io and just realized, ive never felt/seen my disrup shout cd lowered when i thunderclap with thunderlord talent? can anyone explain that interaction cause its not lowering every thunderclap

[jagged gust]

because it works on demoralizing shout

[shut summit]

re-read the talent

[woven temple]

im a fucking GOOOOOOOOOOBER

thanks kings

im dumb

[woven temple]

as you can tell im new to prot lol

idk how i made it to 2500 io already without realizing that

[strong forum]

DW there's people reaching way higher io and also don't realise many other things

Most famous one is heroic leap resetting taunt

[pallid quiver]

You can make it real high without even knowing what half of your talents do as long as you can play the dungeons and play the class at a decent enough baseline level

The main difficulty in M+ pushing is dealing with mobs/bosses, rather than extreme min-maxing your class after all

[strong forum]

Yeh

[undone beacon]

demo shout deal no damage so i dont hit it in keys easy

[maiden forge]

[copper gale]

Is shield block a higher priority than ignore pain? I’m a new warrior and not mitigating well. Trying to figure out why

Generally speaking

[maiden forge]

shield block you want 100% uptime on

[copper gale]

I need to take certain talents right? I’ll recheck my trees. Feels like I’m 60-70% max but I always spam it

Since I’m coming from bear tank

[jagged gust]

Heavy Repercussions or Into the Fray with over 17k haste, as well as shield charge on CD due to Champions Bulwark

oh Enduring Defenses as well

[copper gale]

I realized I'm definately not using shield charge on CD, that's a big one. I'll take a look, thanks

[jagged gust]

Yep, those 3 and 100% uptime is yours

[vivid pumice]

what to drop for silence?

[jagged gust]

sof

[vivid pumice]

10% on revenge isn't better than any other talent?

[jagged gust]

not much else you're able to swap

Indomitable could work too

since you're not taking battering ram

[vivid pumice]

yeah, was thinking indomitable, since leech is actually a way bigger % of my heals than indomitable

[mighty valley]

Battering ram in bottom left is also v strong with 4set

[jagged gust]

it's a ST vs aoe tradeoff

I'm seeing a 50k ST diff and a 100k AOE diff in favour of BR and SOF respectively

[limpid tide]

you know how it works right? barely counts as a silence

[fading tide]

What do I do with the bombs on the first boss of workshop?

[lusty grotto]

steer clear of them

you cant do anything about them, its part of the fight

[fading tide]

The only thing I gotta worry about is getting the debuff removed with the hammer?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[sharp gale]

guess who got a nice trinket

[lusty grotto]

gz!

ill get it the last week of the season no doubt 🙂

[spark mortar]

Any tips on how to keep the stacks on Heroic Sprocket appropriate? Co-tank keeps dying to too many.

[bleak breach]

I feel ya

[bleak breach]

Sprocket? Like the conveyer belt guy?

[small steeple]

have paladins/monk/druid freedom/tigerlust/etc on ya

to remove stacks as they just decrease movement speed

[bleak breach]

That’s literally just a switch on bomb thing, if the tank is dying it’s either healer, gear or skill issue.
The only time your ot should die on that fight is environment related stuff or not mitigating the bomb.
The boss won’t kill you itself.

[next plover]

imma crash out im trying to alt a healer and i swear no tanks play this game

ur all in my imagination

[dense cradle]

blame all the dumb ret paladins pressing divine storm when no aggro

[wicked pollen]

oh is that why i killed people leaping away in ara kara

[lavish onyx]

I see so many tanks around

Good season for em

[twilit turtle]

Hi nome do you use raidbots subs?

[narrow pine]

why the switch to colossus from thane? dont see anything about it

[lusty grotto]

if this is leading into account sharing, its against the discords rule

but yes most of us have a premium account

[lusty grotto]

big aoe damage

with little to no cost to survivability

[twilit turtle]

not account sharing intended but $5 subs is worth?

[lusty grotto]

i pay it

but thats entirely up to you

depends on how much you sim etc

[twilit turtle]

well i dont spect to be a pro

[lusty grotto]

free version is typically fine

unless if you have to sim multiple items

then you're kinda fucked

thats basically the only reason to pay it and to skip queues

[twilit turtle]

so rare sub is fine? 2m interations

or heirloom

[lusty grotto]

idk i pay the 1st one

i forget how much it is

[twilit turtle]

rare sub about 3 bucks

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

again

it depends on how youre gonna use it

but its your money

i dont think it would be necessary to sim vaults for 1 character

[dense cradle]

Real question is why the dumb dps thinks im gonna spend a gcd to save him from aggroing on the gather

instead of putting up mitigation to not get slapped

[twilit turtle]

i wanto to use like gear finder and some sim

[lusty grotto]

can you not use them with the free version?

im pretty sure you can

[twilit turtle]

only single dungeon at once

[lusty grotto]

ah

well, thats your answer i guess

[twilit turtle]

wow social media are hot about archon tooltip

[dense cradle]

Also what is with boomkin players this season

and sunfiring shit we arent in combat with

[oak ivy]

TTT

Tab Target Terrorism

[dense cradle]

i feel hunters should be more guilty of that

[neon elk]

Imho its mouseover stuff mostly

[warm plinth]

I did a +4 priory and some miniboss made me sad

[lusty grotto]

dont be sad Ghash

turn that frown upside down

also

👋

[jagged gust]

Did you go right?

Right is sad boy vibes

[slender bison]

Right miniboss is nerfed and chill. Dies faster than priest miniboss

[jagged gust]

thats what they said the last 2 times!

[slender bison]

The problem in high keys is the holy miniboss + shred armor overlap. I need to piano CDs

[warm plinth]

I didn't go right, no. It was the blazing strike guy

[slender bison]

If you do right, you have to just dance a bit for fire swirlies

Guys, we should make a petition for warrs to get Suleyman shield slam knock back when it crits.

I think it would work

[round pendant]

I highly doubt that

[round pendant]

that would be awful

[round pendant]

did you die?

fwiw that guy is mainly a healer check

[next plover]

im gonna rage try out thane

[round pendant]

Why

Colossus > Thane

[next plover]

i want to feel something 😦

[jagged pier]

I some times play thane cause its fun

[round pendant]

Warrior's whole thing is ignoring their feelings

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

We ignore pain, not feelings

[sharp gale]

you don't need sub for vaults, it's if you do gems, droptimizer and crests upgrade/spending sims

[next plover]

pugs keep bricking my keys i need to feel something

[jagged pier]

Go outside instead

Will make u feel more

[brittle owl]

jakey touching grass

[sand condor]

Touching grass is great!

There’s a ton of it in dornogal

And some in the kyrian place too

[jagged pier]

i touch grass far more than most

[blazing condor]

See why fact checkers say this is false

If you did your name wouldnt be yellow

[oak ivy]

Wtf is the name of the archon/WCL parse addon i cannot effing find it anywhere

[trim estuary]

Quick question, kinda struggling a bit with getting aggro at the beginning of pulls, especially if they are kinda spread out. Any tips? Thus far, it feels like I cant really use my Clap too early, cause I wont have it for a bit while more mobs gather. Do I kinda just spam Heroic Throw and use Clap when most mobs are in range?

[ionic fern]

Do it. It's fun.

Enjoy that we have 2 viable hero trees.

[ionic fern]

You have to gain initial agro. Clap a pack, Revenge another.

[sand torrent]

Packs are the only thing I clap

[trim estuary]

I know you're likely right, but it feels like I wont have the rage for that necessarily?

unless I stop moving and let shit hit me for 1-2 sec

This first pull is a good example

All spread out type shi

[ionic fern]

You can/should do that.

Use a global or two on the pack.

You NEED to get aggro on the first pack. Charge/TC.

The other packs which are coming from further away (not from the direction where your DPS are at) can be pulled with Heroic Throw and then intercepted as they reach you.

[trim estuary]

I normall Charge+TC the first pack, but it's usually one or two of the packs after that "strays" :/

[trim estuary]

Ait, I'll give that a go!

[ionic fern]

So in your image,the 2 packs down below are the ones you can Heroic Throw/Bodypull since your DPS are in the opposite direction. Just be sure to Roar/Ravager as they reach in range so you gain threat on them.

[jagged gust]

Man I'm tilted

[trim estuary]

Perfect, thanks a lot 😄

[ionic fern]

Stand up straight then.

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-wink-gif-21701559

[warm plinth]

Yes but only because he got pulled by accident when I had double pulled. I didn't even realize he existed (only did that dungeon once before and not as a tank) and got taken by surprise by the damage

[round pendant]

it do be like that sometimes

[slender bison]

Good luck on today's vault cloaks. May you get leech on them

[round thicket]

Hey guys, if someone could help me improving survivability... i made a +10 PRIORY and i took so much dmg... but i made a +10 TOP and it was so fine, i could spam revenge in TOP and priory i was spaming IP and SB everytime cant use rage for reveenge. Don't understand this big GAP... thank you guys..... PRIORY : https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WaH4rdG1QTBnfJ8X?fight=14&type=damage-done // TOP : https://fr.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/throkferoth/thewarwithus?zone=43&metric=dps&boss=62293

[round pendant]

62% blocked melee hits

[ionic fern]

Top is easy compared to priory. Priory has more mixed/dot damage. So any mistakes you make when playing the class are shown clearer in priory.

[round pendant]

You gotta bring that number up, pay attention to your back and keep shield block up at all times

Also there's a decent amount of spell damage in priory, use spell reflect and spell block where appropriate (see the spreadsheet in pins)

but the vast majority of the damage you took came from unblocked hits

[round thicket]

Thanks guys, i think about it but i dont use the talent spell block (I don't have the talent), seems a big mistake in priory i guess... Thank you for these tips and advices on my gameplay !

[round pendant]

fwiw I blocked 95% of all melee hits in my last +10 priory

[round thicket]

My troubles too were ppl not coming at melee, once i charged and pack everything, with like 3-4 mobs staying at range, it's a nightmareeee...

[round thicket]

Oh yeah, i just have like 4-5 keys as warrior tank, never tank before, so i think i have a lot of things to imrpove, thx for this info !

[round pendant]

If people don't stack melee on pulls with the sharpshooters then they're just griefing

[next plover]

just got my first portal and its for the rookery.... nice lol

[round pendant]

let's you put your hearth elsewhere!

[round thicket]

But Sharpshooters aggro coming red so i lost aggro, don't know if it's improtant with sharpshooters but when 3-4 are depacks and u are losing aggro on them, sounds terrible jsut cause ppl are not pack

[next plover]

oh wait thats true

ur such a gamer

[round pendant]

now your hearth has an 8 hour cooldown

[sand torrent]

is the bombsuit good for us ?

[jagged pier]

if u want a defensive trinket its like the best option

[next plover]

EZ

[compact silo]

How big really is the atk and def difference between Thane and Demolish in M+ and raid(as in comparing both in both scenarios)

[next plover]

Colossus big number

[compact silo]

very descriptive answer

[ionic nimbus]

You can play Thane. But except of personal preferences like playstyle I see no reason to play Thane over Colossus actually. It’s not better anyways, more IP? Yes, but less SW. less dmg… I am playing Thane from time to time to play something different. But in the end Colossus is the way to go this season

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-meh-jim-jim-halpert-the-office-gif-25317293

[cerulean olive]

this is a very unfortunate season for solo puggings prot warrior

[jagged pier]

no different to any season

as the none meta tank

[cerulean olive]

good game,

[crimson furnace]

u play prot, u finish dungeon with an avg of 2.2-2.5Milli, people are shocked, they add u to friends

do this 10x times, make friends, never pug again

life is easy! love prot, love my thunder claps!

[graceful kite]

Why?

Its so far from thw worst times, we're honestly in a great spot

Because the "meta" tank opens up possibilities that require great team execution, which pugs will fail 99% of the time

I'd say we're on a default "bdk grip and combat res would be nice here" season in terms of pugging. Tho i didnt try stuff above 15

[valid spade]

It sounds like such a cop out, it's not like we can't do high keys. If you're running high keys make friends with some people maybe

[ionic nimbus]

People acting like we never had worse situation to compete with vDH. While SL S1 and DF S3 & S4 existed

[round pendant]

my rogue is 625 and I outdps the 640-650s in the +2s I'm joining but I still get declined cause they don't know

😔

[solid sun]

So dinars are confirmed for 11.1.5 eh

[dusky canopy]

Hope so

Getting antsy for slots/ring

[ionic nimbus]

11.1.5 yes, but no shedule when in the cycle

[dusky canopy]

I’m sure it won’t be at the launch of 11.1.5

It’ll probably be some kind of “now it’s unlocked earn X currency for the next 6 weeks” or whatever

[ionic nimbus]

They still can say it drops a currency in mythic raid.. would like to see the wow forum hate

Would be worth to sacrifice my HoC for the rage

[dusky canopy]

Imagine it’s mythic raiders only

The malding would be insane

(I don’t think it should be btw)

I’m all for them tossing everybody a bone or two

[ionic nimbus]

Or bringing 3.4K achievements hahaha

[solid sun]

I would def write a strongly worded email

[ionic nimbus]

I guess the ultimate move would be 1 coin for 50 bugs in the shop section

[dusky canopy]

Lmao

[ionic nimbus]

Everyone would enrage and pay

[dusky canopy]

“Incase of emergencies break glass”
Wow shop dinars

[ionic nimbus]

🫠

[warm plinth]

Does wowhead not have a translate button on logs anymore?

[strong forum]

It does at the top

[warm plinth]

Nvm, the links the guy sent earlier were for the french version of the website

[lofty warren]

On 1st boss workshop when are you supposed to have the hammer hit the boss

[dusky canopy]

When the boss puts plating on right?

[ionic fern]

Correct.

[slender bison]

You dont have to bring the boss under the literal hammer telegraphed AOE. Just make sure you trigger the hammer once boss gets the Platinum buff

People seem to just stack melee under the hammer to force it to smash the boss and people start to die due to bombs or when tank gets the tank buster AOE

[tired prairie]

Hey Guys! Do you cast Avatar on CD? Should i bind it with a Macro with for example Shield Charge?

[violet ginkgo]

so far I know it's always on CD

[latent dome]

IIRC SC and avatar don't line up for CDs, and you might not want to pop SR when popping Avatar or the other way around

[strong forum]

both avatar and sc have individual ways of damage reduction

just send it all on cd

[cerulean burrow]

at least in my experience if you have avatar coming up within + / - 5 seconds and are ready to send demolish you could wait those seconds to get avatar + demolish but yeah just full send those buttons on repeat

[vital vale]

i like to hold avatar for a few seconds if i know a tank buster is coming up. otherwise just send it on cd.

[frozen berry]

Is there a reason to open vault as arms if I have 678 wep and shield? Or just open as prot for chance at tome?

[strong forum]

thats for you to decide

if you wanna risk that

[opaque bobcat]

Spell block using default block chance, correct? Shield block transfers in no way to the block chance for spells while using spell block, right? Asking because I didn't see it on the spreadsheet (although that answered nearly all of my SB/SR questions).

[small steeple]

Spell Block makes it so you can block it. Still follows normal block rules etc

[opaque bobcat]

And normal block chance, unbuffed?

[small steeple]

your block chance is your block chance. Shield Block adds +100% to blockchance

[opaque bobcat]

Yes, so I'm asking if that unbuffed block chance is always the exact spell block chance also. With SB down, we don't block even half of melee attacks with current block values, just checking to make sure that's how spell block functions, and questioning whether or not individual block chance is what spell block uses in its equation.

[jagged pier]

it does

it will be about 30% chance if u dont have shield block up

[opaque bobcat]

Spell block?

So it gains from SB?

[strong forum]

spellblock simply uses your block chance

spell block allows block but for spell

shield block increases block chance by +100% meaning guaranteed block chance

[opaque bobcat]

Exactly what I wanted to know, thank you. I thought maybe it just used the default, since shield block specifically states melee, I didn't know if it transfered over.

[small steeple]

thats why I said it follows your normal block rules

[opaque bobcat]

I see, thanks

[small steeple]

sorry if I was unclear

[strong forum]

shield block states that it increases block chance by 100%

you can even see it on your character sheet

that your block chance increases to like 130% or whatever

when SB is up

[strong forum]

TECHNICALLY not true

it ignores 1 rule of block

which is the maximum mitigation of 85%

[opaque bobcat]

Yeah, I'm aware of that. Just misunderstood whether or not it used your melee block chance. To me, with how spell block reads, there's no way of actually telling what it actually uses for how it calculates that, aside from testing obviously, so it confused me

[strong forum]

since phyiscal hit mitigation via armor and block is capped at 85%

spells are not subject to that rule, so crit blocks with spellblock and enough block value (aka shield ilvl), allows you to block for 100% of magic dmg done

[opaque bobcat]

I see, thanks

wait wait wait, of damage done? Ok....lemme make sure i got this. So shield block gives us 100% block CHANCE....and depending on block value we only block whatever amount of that actual hit, a good chunk lets say. We can block the ENTIRE spell?

[strong forum]

yes

[opaque bobcat]

Because of what you just said, with a crit block?

[strong forum]

with spellblock you can reduce a hit to outright 0 with a critblock

[small steeple]

Via mastery

[strong forum]

ye

[opaque bobcat]

sheesh, ok thanks. Shit maybe my stats are actually pretty off

[strong forum]

dont think too hard about stats^^

you just want a little bit of mastery, not too much of it

[opaque bobcat]

my crit and haste are pretty much switched from like what you see on archon, like top tanks, etc.

[small steeple]

one of the many reasons prot pally was so strong in s1, they could get periods of 100% block chance with high mastery and talents, and they always have spell block active baseline, and i beliebe they where able to get blocked damage for blocked spells over 100% too

[strong forum]

nah

[opaque bobcat]

and i have mastery but only from tier. 0 other pieces have mastery, I just assumed it was eh and opted for other pieces

[strong forum]

they dont have crit block

their block is much lower

[strong forum]

you only want a little bit of mastery cuz its just very efficient at low levels

outside of that just stack the shit out of haste/crit

[opaque bobcat]

jesus

[strong forum]

pally is just good, had nothing to do with the 100% spellblock chance

and again, they cannot crit block

so their spelldmg reduction is nowhere near even 60%

[opaque bobcat]

Do you think there's any positives to maybe having a little more crit than haste, even that's what absolutely no one is doing lol

[strong forum]

more dmg

[opaque bobcat]

Like, the parry matters significantly i would think from crit

[strong forum]

in big pulls absolutely

[opaque bobcat]

But everyone does haste, everyone i've seen at least, and everything i've read

[strong forum]

if you got around 18k haste +/- 2k

youre bing chilling

[opaque bobcat]

And pushing these keys higher and higher, these pulls grow in size everyday for me, just thinking out loud here

my haste is 23% and 31% crit IIRC

[strong forum]

thats too low then

the haste that is

[opaque bobcat]

Ahh, so basically right before it begins to get penalized?

[strong forum]

the penalty doesnt start until like 27k haste

that we give a shit about

youre NOWHERE near that

[opaque bobcat]

ahh ok

[frosty tide]

Why are the prot builds labeled as Punish and Execute?

[strong forum]

cuz 1 plays punish and the other focuses on execute

[small steeple]

yeah I misremembered. But a ~=30% dr on all blocked magic and periodic effects is strong

[opaque bobcat]

i thought it was like 10% penalty at like 18k or something, i must be remembering wrong

[strong forum]

that penalty we dont care about

10% is nothing

[frosty tide]

Which one is better for pushing keys?

[strong forum]

those are both raid builds

[opaque bobcat]

i see

[frosty tide]

What's a good source for a new Prot warrior looking to push keys?

[strong forum]

theres a specific m+ build in that list aswell

[frosty tide]

Oh ok so just stick with that one?

[strong forum]

ye

it is the standard build

[opaque bobcat]

should note, the archon builds and say, wowhead, very different

[small steeple]

archon shows aggregated data

[strong forum]

they shouldnt be "very" different

[small steeple]

Based on the top 100

[opaque bobcat]

yeah, using "very" a lil loose lol

[strong forum]

they should only be 1 or 2 points off

[opaque bobcat]

they aren't VERY different lol

[small steeple]

Only real difference at that level would be BsV and Disrupting Shout, and Thunderlord for somereason

[strong forum]

^

theyre 99% the same build

if you see larger differences, that specific person is cooking something fucky

[opaque bobcat]

Yeah, just went disrupting shout yesterday out of frustration. Absolute game changer

[small steeple]

Nome have you done the math on if Thunderlord or Battering Ram is higher Rage generation in st?

[strong forum]

dont even need math for that

thunderlord is absolutely disgustingly awful in single target

[opaque bobcat]

I also noticed at higher levels, i see alot of ppl dropping intervene, and the talent that heals you below 30% (second wind or something), that's probably hella smart I was thinking, I hadn't considered it

[small steeple]

Then why is Battering Ram dropped for Thunderlord in the archon aggregates?

[strong forum]

cuz people want higher uptime on demo shout on aoe

except it requires you to press thunderclap A LOT which is a massive loss as colossus

[frosty tide]

Should we be keeping track of our ignore pain absorption?

[strong forum]

ye

[opaque bobcat]

Yeah, I saw that too. I decided against it for that reason

[strong forum]

thunderlord is extremely potent as thane

but as colossus its anti-synergistic

[opaque bobcat]

obviously any thane spec should have, but i couldn't justify it in colossus

[cerulean burrow]

my logic for thunderlord is the DR you get from more demo shouts than anything but cant prove it just why i thought people go it

[strong forum]

thats the thought behind it yes

[frosty tide]

What addon do you recommend that keeps track of the ignore pain absorption amount? Anything else to keep track of?

[strong forum]

but like i said, anti-synergistic with colossus

[strong forum]

just a weakaura pack that you like

[opaque bobcat]

I have a weak aura and i place it on my healthbar

It's for all absorbs, however, so mine functions with the tome trinket also

and priests bubbles, etc.

I had 12m absorb the other day lol

[strong forum]

like there is MORE defensive benefit than 0, but its also not all that big

[opaque bobcat]

I'm praying for the bomb suit out of a damn timewalking cache just to be a menace lol

[coral osprey]

Hi all, if I have a myth bis weapon already as well as a crafted 675 shield, would you suggest opening vault as something other than prot?

[strong forum]

ye id open as arms

[half jewel]

Damn another vault passing on house of cards

[strong forum]

why would you pass on that

that trinket is turbo bis on all 3 specs

only replaced by a mythic house of cards

[half jewel]

Last week I had a tier slot as gilded

[strong forum]

that myth belt will drop 3094830 more times but house of cards is hard to get since 80% of the entire game wants it

[half jewel]

I figured house of cards over not having bombsuit or something would be worse even if its just for dps

[coral osprey]

is the theory that arms will only add 2H weapon to the pool instead of both 1H and shields?

[strong forum]

^

[coral osprey]

anywhere to see the pools?

[strong forum]

and better trinkets

dungeon journal

[coral osprey]

ah great thanks a lot!

[undone beacon]

mud mud mud yummy mud mud

[half jewel]

I would pick mud if cards wasn't there cuz I still dont have bombsuit

I want a defensive trinket for higher keys until I get more comfortable

[undone beacon]

Time for my favorite question of the week, gamble prot vault for a tome/mud/bombsuit or arms for less shit items

[glad jacinth]

HAve house of cards hero track and tome hero track. What should i use? cannot decie

[undone beacon]

depends on the kind of content

Tome is great ST damage, cards is great all-rounder

[pastel sleet]

3 bis items in my vault... i take trinket right?

[undone beacon]

Sim it... but probably

[half jewel]

I still haven't seen a pacemaker drop on my main for anyone. Only seen it drop once on my healer alt

[round pendant]

lmfao low keys are so toxic

mage screwed up on a boss and accidentally timewarped right at the end

tank and healer just start yelling at him

then they say "if you screw up next boss I leave" basically

then on the final boss the mage didn't lust and the tank kicked him from the group and told everyone to stop damaging the boss??? (no idea what he was getting at here since the mage gets loot regardless)

[torn gulch]

clowns

[round pendant]

this is in a +2 on my alt

absolute comedy

[quasi parcel]

i wanna open arms but im scared my one myth slot will be a weapon what do i do? flip a coin? lmao

[round pendant]

open fury

if it's a weapon then 50/50 chance to get a 1h

[quasi parcel]

oh okay thats better hahaha

[round pendant]

but I mean

opening prot isn't bad if you need a shield and a 1h

[quasi parcel]

i got viscera of coalesced hatred lol

[round pendant]

pain

it's not that bad ig

good st trinket afaik

[half kindle]

quick stupid question , new to prot warrior . on what pieces shoul i craft embel ? ( like other classes on wrist/waist ) or is there better options

[quasi parcel]

better than hero signet champ tome?

[chrome sapphire]

Heroic House of Cards vs Mythic Tier Gloves
Currently in the long looong line for some sims, but I have a feeling the trinket will come out on top. Despite it being nice to be able to checkmark off pieces of tier for the season

[heavy sparrow]

I already have a crafted 675 shield right now. Will sim both gloves and shield and trinket

Might take gloves since I got heroic gloves

[coral osprey]

I also got a myth one in mine... not sure how it stacks up

I have hero pacemaker and tome ATM

[strong forum]

Lower end players are far far far more toxic than anyone else in the game

[undone beacon]

The worst keys are the 4-7 range and then shitters in weekly 10s

[round pendant]

Yeah I've noticed

[quasi parcel]

im only toxic towards demon hunters in low keys

[round pendant]

I just can't imagine yelling at some poor guy for a simple fuckup that doesn't affect the outcome of the dungeon at all

and then threatening to leave and then actually kicking him

like what the hell is wrong with these psychos

[strong forum]

I don't chat unless it's about helping

[round pendant]

Funnily enough the tank was a dh

[strong forum]

I will not flame anyone in chat, cuz as soon as anyone let's out 1 small complaint, that's when shit will get derailed with the slightest mistake

[quasi parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[strong forum]

Especially in keys

[round pendant]

yeah I brought up his lust fuckup and I think the tank and healer thought I was on their side

[strong forum]

Don't open your mouth, just play the key, and you will have a good experience

[toxic pewter]

Yep the moment anyone types anything it’s like 70% chance the key will end soon lmao

[devout star]

do i take the 1h out of vault?

[undone beacon]

Nome, should I gamble prot vault for mud/bombsuit/tome chances? Alreadhy have the shield and wep

[strong forum]

Up to you if you want defense or offense

[ruby musk]

Tell me about it. Had a fire mage in my group that couldn't break 2 mill overall with 660+ ilvl. Dude was straight carried the whole run lol

[strong forum]

I don't care about defense enough to open as tank

Since I don't push real keys

[round pendant]

and then the mage logged off

tragedy

oh I didn't expect the embed to be so big

sorry

[quasi parcel]

i always wait till the end most cases we can atleast get some gear if they arent abysmally bad then theres no reason to flame

[chrome sapphire]

Trinket outsims the gloves by a mile, but it's hard to judge when the comparison is against two defensive trinkets.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1024568494135722017/1359186278444171294/image.png?ex=67f6905d&is=67f53edd&hm=1f833ba4cfe5aea1d4219dc0500ccd3fa626dc9da42c5c2d85308f5c36787684&

[strong forum]

House of cards is bis for entire season

Tier you can always get 1 way or the other

[mighty valley]

house of cards is v competitive, you can get any gloves on planet earth

[strong forum]

I personally would pick weapon for damage output. But like I said depends on your goals

[mighty valley]

yeah probably if you haven't crafted one

[devout star]

grabbed weapon already have enough tankiness im a goddamn warrior

[strong forum]

[quasi parcel]

why did DH call lust a minute later? pretty sure is a CD

[strong forum]

Don't read much into it

Fotm rollers in +2s are far from stable individuals

[round pendant]

Mage just didn't press timewarp in that last fight

tank schizo's out calling for it then kicks him

then kills himself for some reason

Idk, does he think he can make the mage not get loot or something?

[quasi parcel]

im just trying to figure out how tanks type mid fight

[undone beacon]

this is the third week in a row Signet has been in my vault wtf

[chrome sapphire]

I get that it's a really big mastery boost on a short cooldown, but I thought mastery was the lowest of the secondary stats for prot.

[quasi parcel]

i tank im fighting to stay alive

[round pendant]

or was he literally planning on calling it a day and wasting everybody's time lmao

[strong forum]

Unlucky

[undone beacon]

Garbage vault all around, either taking the myth sword for offspec or the wrists for ilvl I guess

[quasi parcel]

its okay i think im just taking a hero belt for better stat prio

[late hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/the-fountain-hugh-jackman-brightlight-enlightenment-gif-5011749

[small steeple]

at least in "high" or like 12+ keys people are open about it. If group wipes or whatever they're like "nice try, this ain't it ggs"

[woven radish]

Yup, i actually really appreciate the "matter of fact" attitude in higher keys when shit ain't happening, rather the turning into a flame war

[undone beacon]

Took an Arms weapon because everything for prot was shit

cool game

[woven radish]

That was me in vault #3.... felt terrible so early on

[undone beacon]

My vaults have been kinda hot garbage all season on the warrior, meanwhile my bear gets banger after banger

Full myth tier on him smh

[heavy sparrow]

Gloves Sims higher

[small steeple]

Than what?

[dapper summit]

How do I properly go about evaluating trinket choices for M+? I understand that simming is a valuable tool, but what sim settings would I want to use to evaluate what would be better overall for a M+? There's lots of use cases in a dungeon that I feel like maybe a Dslice sim doesn't cover? Decent chance I'm insane/delulu so I'm asking here. I got a vault and I don't know what to do, I already have myth track tome, with a 6/6hero pacemaker in bags

[quasi parcel]

dslice is bad so im told

i usually just use wowhead tier list on gear page

[mighty valley]

I usually do 7 patchwerks, 1.5mins, no lust, and compare that against a single target sim

[dapper summit]

Okay I was currently doing 5t 1m sims, so I feel like maybe I was on the right track? I'll adjust to 7t 1.5m and see what it says

[mighty valley]

yeah that's good too, idk, aoe simming is kind of a loose science since pull sizes varies so much

[quasi parcel]

i was told the longer the fight the more accurate it is so ive been doing 5T 7m fights

[dapper summit]

Yeah I'm torn on taking HoC cuz I don't raid mythic and in my head HoC would be an eventuality vs never being able to pull a mythic trink/tier piece from vault

[mighty valley]

Typically great hero trinket > mediocre myth trinket, unlike most other slots

[long bronze]

okay you motherfuckers

[quasi parcel]

yeah i mean dinars will be a thing so idk myth gear prolly fine

[long bronze]

which one of you took a shit in my vault

[dapper summit]

Okay I just feel like hero track is so weak this expansion, barely any difference from champ track

[quasi parcel]

wasnt me mine was shit not excited for my mains

[quasi parcel]

8/8 champ is 4/6 hero

[long bronze]

I've already had one person link me a myth tome from their alt vault

meanwhile I have socket vault

tragic

[dapper summit]

Yeah I know, it's only 7iLvls higher than champ maxed out, feels weak.

[mighty valley]

I got myth seaforium, almost as cool

[dapper summit]

at least in comparison to the +4 upgrade tracks that myth has over hero

[quasi parcel]

yeah i mean i get 3 slot on my main and hope i atleast get a semi upgrade for myth

even if its just a wrist or belt its still myth gear im set on my hero trinks

[round pendant]

Yeah I've been saying it since day 1 that champ should be 6 levels

[quasi parcel]

the difference between hero and myth for trinks really aint much Imo

[long bronze]

I mean it's a lot but okay

[quasi parcel]

it doesnt seem it like maybe 2-300 of a stat

[dapper summit]

Either that or split the difference and give 1 more upgrade to hero (aka let hero go up to 668) so hero is 3 over champ and myth is 3 over hero

[quasi parcel]

maybe more strength than that but the secondary stats dont seem to vary much

[long bronze]

300 of a stat is a lot when each point of stat is worth 20+ dps

[quasi parcel]

okay so 2k more dps on top of 1.5 mil aint much

[long bronze]

you're not so good at math huh

[dapper summit]

If my M+ group is all running signet, is that worth taking into account in my choices?

[long bronze]

no

signet is not good for us

[quasi parcel]

nope 20k?

[long bronze]

what's 3 * 2

[quasi parcel]

6

[long bronze]

okay now add 3 zeros to that

[quasi parcel]

600

[dapper summit]

kekw

[long bronze]

that's 2

[quasi parcel]

6000\

[long bronze]

huge

you're insane

[dapper summit]

warriors together strong

[round pendant]

tree fiddy

[quasi parcel]

sorry its early dog i aint awake haha

[dapper summit]

The zug is strong this morning

[quasi parcel]

literally snailing through delves right now trying to get my wave scrambler lmao

[oak ivy]

THE ONE WEEK that I don't do all 8

[long bronze]

yeah man you either do one 10+ or 8

anything else is cursed

[oak ivy]

😭

[long bronze]

myth helm is pretty giga though

[oak ivy]

my god i just realized

[long bronze]

I'm guessing if you had done 8 though

you would have gotten ringinging ritual mud in that 3rd slot

[oak ivy]

Myth shoulders w/ avoidance to replace Hero shoulders w no tert
Myth Head w/ Speed to replace hero head w/ leech

[long bronze]

helm helm helm helm helm helm

[oak ivy]

helm it is

[long bronze]

helm has those giga stats

it's like our only slot that picks up guaranteed mastery and mastery is good considering it'll be pretty low in optimal gear

my sim wants me to go all in on versa hmmm

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bVyUt62yVjzoioBrCrCTp1

[solid sun]

@lusty grotto did you get your myth track tome

[forest sluice]

Should I run colossus in lower keys on my prot alt? It feels like I take no dmg until like 7’s

Switch to thane for higher stuff?

[oak ivy]

Play colossus in always

[forest sluice]

Aight

I prefer colossus so that’s good to hear

It’s good in raid too?

[oak ivy]

iirc thane is slightly ahead in pure ST

but either way we do giga dam in raid

defensively both feel good

[long bronze]

thane isn't really ahead in ST

it'll do a little bit more execute dam but not enough to offset the rest

maybe it changes in better gear but I've not been able to get my sim to say otherwise

[chilly brook]

YUUUUGE VAULT

[long bronze]

nice!

I was able to put mine on today too with the spark so I could replace ascendance

[chilly brook]

only costs flightstones 🙂

[toxic pewter]

u got a myth 2h or wat

[peak iron]

[orchid mural]

hey! need some help on this one - mythic shoulders than i can catalyze, or heroic jastor's diamond with tertiary speed. (i'll never kill mythic gallywix)

[hasty inlet]

Am I reading the bis list right in that we should only have one crafted item?

[compact silo]

weakaura for jackpot buff?

[glad jacinth]

what do you guys do to survive priory first boss? that shit hit like a truck

[compact silo]

dont stay in spears

[small steeple]

embelishments are weak, so ideally none would be crafted, as 3 ilvl for a 678 vs 675 crafted is likely better as far as i'm aware

[compact silo]

and use defensives on time

[forest sluice]

Should I craft a weapon or shield? Both are champ right now

I have the gallywix shield

I already crafted the 3 off pieces

Bracers boots cloak

[compact silo]

its bis so replace weapon first

you can sim which gives more dmg

[long bronze]

the effect is irrelevant on gally shield until you're talking about mythic

I would craft shield first

it's by far your biggest defensive upgrade

[compact silo]

if you sim on ST gally shield even on champ is better than myth shield

[small steeple]

Not worth the incredible decrease in tankiness. Ilvl on shields is the single most important stat for prot warrior

[compact silo]

im running 13s with a champ gally shield

[pallid quiver]

And people have timed equivalent to current season 16s without even having shield block up

You're intentionally harming your group by asking for more healer attention for a miniscule sim benefit

[small steeple]

yeah no I call bs on that. Unless you mean like legion when IP was uncapped?

[forest sluice]

I’m not raiding mythic on my warrior maybe first 3 alt runs or something later on so I’ll probably just make a sword

658 gally shield prob fine for what im doing

[pallid quiver]

Dragonflight in Uldaman

There's vods of it

that poor fucking healer was working so hard

[compact silo]

my healer barely heals me

[small steeple]

never played m+ uldaman. How?

[pallid quiver]

If you're only tanking less than M raid, full send on max damage

[pallid quiver]

The healer was babysitting them impossibly hard

They were almost oom every pull, and the dps were on their fucking own

[long bronze]

658 gally shield is 6k lower than 675 crafted shield so I dunno what you're on about anyways

sure 675 crafted shield is significantly lower dps gain than 675 crafted weapon, but I'm playing a tank not a dps

tank upgrades are more important

[pallid quiver]

If their focus is only H raid, the damage might actually be more valuable since H raid just flat out doesn't hurt as long as you press CDs at all correctly

But it sacrifices M+ ability and could hurt in M raid depending on fight

[long bronze]

90% of damage you take in m+ is melees

if you're not doing mythic raid and you're not* doing doing decently high m+ I'm really not sure what you're getting out of this game, so sure craft whatever

[late hawk]

lol.

[south wing]

any thoughts? i have a hero non tier chest piece and champ mechano-core amplifier and hero suspicious energy drink

[long bronze]

chest

[late hawk]

aint that trinket assss

[long bronze]

it is ass

that and the plating trinket you hope to never see in vault

and the damn bracers

[pallid quiver]

whatever the large majority of players of this game get out of it

On my end, I like to outparse M raid tanks who come to Heroic raid specifically to parse. That's one of my favorite past times

[stiff gate]

? that trinket is fine, its nice if you didnt get a bombsuit yet

[forest sluice]

It’s just a fuck around alt I’m mythic raiding on my hunter

[mighty valley]

you should basically ignore the bis list unless you have access to every item in the game at max ilvl

[long bronze]

that trinket is not fine, and if you take it even over a socket in your vault you have an illness

taking it over a myth chest would be a crime

[pallid quiver]

isn't there two trinkets named mud

And one is decent or something

[woven radish]

BuT i SaW a BiS lIsT... lol trinket has been an absolute life saver for me and carries crazy hard on some fights like priory first boss

[forest sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/mud-faceplant-splat-mondays-funny-gif-3528154

[stiff gate]

i didnt say take it from vault, just that saying its ass is pretty harsh for a 2m cd giant absorb. i have a hero track one and its saved my ass in keys plenty of times

[chilly brook]

ye

[mighty valley]

it suffers in comparison to bombsuit but like... it's fine if it's replacing some delve garbage lmao

[long bronze]

you probably could have just hit a health pot and did 200k more dps in the dungeon with a real trinket on

[woven radish]

100%

[stiff gate]

i mean, i'd replace it with bombsuit, but its not like that does damage either

[compact silo]

i think its an ok defensive trinket

[dapper summit]

I assume Tome doesn't sim properly?

[compact silo]

health doesnt really drop if you have shield block up

[mighty valley]

there are some notes about it in pins

[dapper summit]

oo kk thx

[peak iron]

its obv not amazing but seems like it could be okay situationally in certain dungeons and very high keys

[oak ivy]

@dapper summit

[forest sluice]

DPS trinkets for me, me like smashy

[oak ivy]

Im pacemaker + energy drink enjoyer

dont have tome yet

[peak iron]

reverb and tome for me personally

[dapper summit]

Yeah I got tome + energy drink

[forest sluice]

I had a warbound funhouse lens and warbound energy drink when I started gearing this guy the other day kinda pog

[dapper summit]

Was blessed with a myth tome

[forest sluice]

Forgot I had those

Got 4pc today this is kinda nice

Shield charge cdr is cool

[long bronze]

if you feel that way wear a heroic one, just don't take a mythic one from your vault when you have other options

it has basically zero relevant scaling

[stiff gate]

that i can agree with

[peak iron]

fairs

[long bronze]

it drops less the more block value you have

only shields have block value

hence why high ilvl shield >>> anything else in terms of defensive value

also at this point we have 4 crafts, if you don't have a myth shield or wep and haven't crafted both by now you're kinda behind the curve

[peak iron]

yeah idk why someone would craft 3 off pieces while having champ wep/shield or worse

[long bronze]

it takes like 2 hours to get the 60 crests to craft either

[forest sluice]

I just started gearing this guy 2 days ago

[long bronze]

then craft shield, then craft weapon

[forest sluice]

I’m behind the curve on vaults already lol

Yeah shield is prob better you right

I just like the cool proc on the gally shield

[long bronze]

I suppose it's interesting flavor but in reality it's pretty meaningless

[forest sluice]

True

It’s only champ track too

Got it from TW

[long bronze]

it pushing gally shield above other equivalent ilvl shields but it doesn't make it better than something that's higher ilvl

[forest sluice]

Shit my craft would only be 658 I gotta farm gildeds

Just started getting into high enough keys for them

Just gonna recraft all the 658 shit when I get caught up on crests

[sharp gale]

I think you will never be caught up in crest spending

[dusky canopy]

You cant be behind on crests but you can be behind on potential player power if you craft poorly

[forest sluice]

I’m just sayin when I hit season cap

I will slam keys

[dusky canopy]

It’s trivial anyhow

[sharp gale]

The cap is so high, if you start and 0 myth track I think you can upgrade everything hero and still can’t spend everything

[forest sluice]

Yeah I can’t upgrade 2 of my myth pieces on my hunter

And I’ve been capped every week

[sharp gale]

Bc your hunter gets a myth track since when ?

[forest sluice]

Hunter had full vault every week

[long bronze]

I have myth t gloves, myth cauldron ring, myth pacemaker and myth boots all waiting for crests

[sharp gale]

Imagine you have all these number weeks of crest that you will never be able to spend on myth track

[forest sluice]

True

[mortal edge]

man - so tragic

i made 675 wrists

[forest sluice]

I got a myth helm today and it’s stuck at 662 cuz I gotta work before raid sadge

[mortal edge]

but i have

[long bronze]

sockets are still nearly 5k dps ea so

not a total loss

[mortal edge]

so im thinking either socket

[sharp gale]

If you myth raid, don’t spend gilded right away ofc

[mortal edge]

or i get the trinket and fullyupgrade it so when i get it, i can go straight top

[forest sluice]

Yeah I’m not gonna I gotta craft something anyways

Depends on whether I get myth vexie cloak this week or not

[sharp gale]

Craft / spend crests when you need the items, don’t if you don’t

[sharp gale]

Or wrists, or helmet

[forest sluice]

I have myth helm and already crafted my wrists

I would either craft a cloak or a belt this week but I’m not doing shit til raid days are over

This is for Hunter btw not warr

Hunter is 668 warrior is just my mess around toon

I fucked up crafting a gun and got the myth cauldron weapon the day dark ranger became good

So that was a big waste

[slender bison]

I like that almost all the wars clear ToP + DFC + Rookery when they reach the next tier of M+

[lilac widget]

hey guys

this is the build im using/have copied from somewhere for high keys

i would really like to take intervene

and if possible, also bounding stride?

[forest sluice]

Doesn’t the wowhead m plus build have intervene

[lilac widget]

is it impossible? the only thing i think doesnt look needed is the thunderclap one

i was using the wowhead one at some point i thought i still was but maybe this is murlok

[slender bison]

Crackling TC swap. But use Intervene for escape, as 3rd Charge, it's kinda garbage otherwise

[lilac widget]

yeah thats what i want it for 🙂

[slender bison]

So for example ToP boss AoE to move to range for escape

[lilac widget]

is bounding stride a no go tho?

[slender bison]

Thunderclap one, the shockwave upgrade is way too powerful to miss

[sharp gale]

Remove 2% dmg taken heal, crackling or 5% cdr talent

[lilac widget]

yeah but thunderclap one gives me intervene

if it was possible i want both that and bounding

[slender bison]

Bounding Stride is super useful for pulls. That movement speed is great

Oh yea, Honing Reflexes is a meme. Drop it

[lilac widget]

this one doesnt have commanding shout either

i know its nerfed

but i like being able to insta contribute if shit goes south

[stiff gate]

the most prominent effect of pressing rally is just making yourself sad when your team dies anyway

[lilac widget]

hahaha

[slender bison]

Yes, you can do some saves with it. For example: Rookery aoe birds, Priory 2nd boss etc. Use it pre-emptively. It hurts in 13-14s

[sharp gale]

You have the dogshit health heal you can remove

[slender bison]

That too. It's a meme trap skill

[long bronze]

I thought about dropping rally but I know I'll get shit on if somebody dies and it wouldn't have saved them anyways but I didn't have it to press

[slender bison]

Just use Rally. It's amazing to use it pre-emptively for clutch saves. I already saved 2 keys today

Either Rookery all around (especially void mobs), Priory or Motherload trash

[lilac widget]

oh pain and gain is trash?

[slender bison]

Anyway, drop it in lower keys (i.e. up to 10-11) but re-pick it

[long bronze]

indeed it isn't very good

[lilac widget]

thats perfect then

i got the two talents i wanted and an extra one to boot

[slender bison]

Yes, check your last log how much Pain & Gain healed. It's garbage

[lilac widget]

normally when i ask shit like that i get told nope you're wrong go with build on so and so webpage

thanks guys 🙂

[peak iron]

i weep for old rally but ive seen even the shitty rally allow people to live something with like 5% hp

[slender bison]

I know Pain & Gain wanted to "smooth out" our HP bars, but it's literally trash for the damage profile in this season

[long bronze]

I'm pretty sure it could occur every second and still be kinda bad

[lilac widget]

is overwhelming rage bad too?

cause i used to have that

[long bronze]

no it's just a free talent point

it's not bad or good

[slender bison]

Overwhelming rage is for DPS. Not for tanks.

Tanks who reach 100+ rage die

[long bronze]

lies and slander

[sharp gale]

Yeah 30 more rage cap do literally nothing (I wouldn’t say you die but it is bad to rage cap)

[slender bison]

I meant "you die" as in if you have 120 rage it means you aint doing DPS nor IP spam, so your rotation is bad

Or boosted by healer

[small steeple]

Tell that to my 3rd highest damage pulls in raid

I AM the dps

[long bronze]

I wasted a whopping 157 rage I probably wouldn't have if I took that talent

[slender bison]

Damn

[sharp gale]

Baka, those 7 revenge or 4 IP would have give you 1 billion dps

[dense hill]

I have prot spec regrets

[long bronze]