protection

[lusty grotto]

the slow might help with some stutter stepping

but yeah shrug

ive had 10 deaths on that first pull due to idiots, still timed

not tank deaths, group deaths of course

[round cliff]

we timed a cinderbrew during that big day of ddoses during rwf

whole group dc'd like 3 times

still timed

[alpine ravine]

are we preferring bloodsurge or instigate in keys

[lusty grotto]

instigate is the default

[violet flume]

just to put some context, i did a +7 mechagon workshop yesterday at 637.. i felt like i was takign no damage. youre good at 650

[lusty grotto]

but can swap it out to bloodsurge on big pull dungeons like brew or priory

instigate is just more consistent

[alpine ravine]

ok and was also wondering is there a big difference between colossus / thane? used to play thane in s1 but playing colossus now in s2 i feel vry empty on rage

[lusty grotto]

everyone played thane in s1

we only colossus on vault keys in s1

the big difference is just a lot more damage

defensiveness is more or less the same

if youre rage starving its a you issue

[alpine ravine]

probably

[lusty grotto]

not probably

it is

[alpine ravine]

fair

[small steeple]

nimchip over here being savage

[lusty grotto]

you dont spam IP as colossus (nor you should as thane)

[violet flume]

do you guys never get low on rage with only revenge pressable + shield block is back on 1 charge?

[alpine ravine]

then when/how do i press it

[violet flume]

i only use IP at 120~ rage and i feel like i run out of rage time to time

[small steeple]

really just to avoid rage cap on col

[lusty grotto]

for all spec you press IP at around 70+ rage

[small steeple]

theres more to it than that, but at a basic level

[lusty grotto]

when the next SS will cap you out

[alpine ravine]

ok then ya im just bad i was spamming IP

[lusty grotto]

the fuck is this 120 rage shit lmao

[violet flume]

+30 rage talent lol

[lusty grotto]

i know what it is

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[violet flume]

😦

[small steeple]

i only take that in raid because nothing else is needed

[violet flume]

idk feels comfy

[lusty grotto]

dead talent point right there

you press IP when youre about 30 rage from cap

because one outbursted SS and you will cap out

so IP only at 70+ rage

[violet flume]

k but

even with it and using at 120~rage

i get in luls of no rage sometimes

its not hyper common but

does it not happen to you guys?

like 0 SS procs for a bit

just spamming revenge

[lusty grotto]

no cause i dont spec a shit talent

so im never at 120 rage

😎

[violet flume]

thats got nothing to do with my question, itd be even worse without it tbh

[lusty grotto]

is it?

[violet flume]

i got an extra 30 pooled

so if i run out of rage i wouldve ran out earlier

[lusty grotto]

is it worse without it? cause most of us dont talent it

you might wanna talent instigate if youre having that happen

[small steeple]

are you hitting tc at all? Using it as filler alone this doesn't really happen

[lusty grotto]

instead of bloodsurge

yeah it just doesnt happen

in ST with Bloodsurge, maybe

but not common

[violet flume]

ya i do SS > TC > revenge at all times

[lusty grotto]

as colossus?

[violet flume]

shieldblock when its up, ignore pain when about to cap rage

yes

[lusty grotto]

SS > Revenge > TC

[violet flume]

oh really

[lusty grotto]

bruh

[violet flume]

wouldnt that drain my rage more? or is there something im missing lmao

[lusty grotto]

free revenges due to parries in big pulls, ravager

youre still pressing SS

the only two reasons why you should press TC

is that you need to apply/reapply rend

and that SS is on cd and youre around 30 rage

thats it

[violet flume]

aight, i guess i shouldve updated myself more with colossus, been palying like i was all of dragonflight/mountain thane lmao

i did notice revenge became a fat damage button though

[lusty grotto]

you might wanna log your runs

cause if youre starving that much with prio'ing TC

youre gonna starve a lot more with the updated prio

youre clearly doing something wrong

like spamming IP for no reason

[violet flume]

like i said its not hyper common but it happens like 5 times a dungeon?

[lusty grotto]

like i said

it doesnt happen

unless youre bloodsurge and are on pure ST

and still its so uncommon that you remember if it happened

[violet flume]

maybe im hitting IP like an idiot without noticing i guess, logging sounds like a good idea

[lusty grotto]

and none of us go overwhelming rage

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=429644/no-stranger-to-pain

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=384036/brutal-vitality

these 2 fuel your IPs

theres 0 reason to use it unless youre about to cap rage (and/or if you need it applied)

remember outburst also applies IP

[alpine ravine]

thanks for your wise words nimchip

[violet flume]

yeah i already aim to use Ip at max rage/right before a shield slam so idk

i pretty much copy pasted wowhead guide and swapped intervene for +30rage talent and fray for heavy repercussion:

[main blade]

Even when just starting a pull with outburst not close to proc we don't IP as soon as possible ?

[lusty grotto]

should untalent it and talent crackling for gathering

[violet flume]

could be a good idea

[lusty grotto]

colossus rage management is not as easy as thane is, but practice makes perfect

[violet flume]

i feel the less tclap compared to thane

[lusty grotto]

SB >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IP

SB is your active mit

not IP

you will get enough rage after to have IPs off if close to capping

[main blade]

yeah i know that SB is the most important thing to keep up at all time, but then do you just SB and spend rage on damage until outburst ?

you don't even use it once with SB at the start ?

[lusty grotto]

no

i dont even think about it

i only think about IP when this happens

[jagged gust]

rage over 70? IP. Is about as complex as we get

[lusty grotto]

yeah its simple enough

[jagged gust]

eventually you will press it in your opener, but it's not something we're waiting on with baited breath

[violet flume]

yeah and youll get good uptime on it that way anyway

[lusty grotto]

SS, Avatar, SC, Ravager all give you rage

on the opener

you will have enough rage influx on it to IP if necessary to burn rage

[round cliff]

now how come my ass rage starves in st sometimes while pressing ss and clap on cd and not pressing IP at all

[lusty grotto]

here we go again

[main blade]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

#protection message start here @round cliff

[twilit turtle]

why spear for raid?

[lusty grotto]

because troar is for gathering mobs

and spear is better dps overall

and in raid its just one target constantly with some adds sprinkled in that usually just come to you

we use spear in ToP and Workshop as well since pulls are more controlled and easier to gather, plus not as big of pulls aside from Workshop 1st pull

[main blade]

Thanks for clarifying it, I was focusing too much on my first IP thinking it's the utmost priority after SB

[lusty grotto]

on the opener youre pressing Avatar which gives you a mini wall

DRs > Absorb Shields

every single time without exception

[round cliff]

are u telling me that pressing tc on cd to try to have more rage is making me have less rage

i didnt consider this

[lusty grotto]

no

read the part about instigate

in ST you wont have a lot of revenge procs

just one target hitting you means you wont parry a whole lot

and thus minimal free revenge procs

just gotta be smarter about rage knowing that

without IP spammage without reason

[round cliff]

yea im not pressing ip at all

well

when i starve

im starved without an ip up

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk press SS more?

i would have to see a log

[round cliff]

i think i tragically rage starved on the final boss of that 11 ml actually

lemme find it

cant find it :3 oh well

[jagged gust]

You mean those moments where strategist ain't proccin', nothing's getting parried, you have 5 rage and both SS/TC will be on CD, and you'll be struggling to even keep SB up because revenge keeps eating in to your rage pool

leap charge tech at that point ig

[lusty grotto]

lol

yeah for sure

[round cliff]

yea!

[sharp gale]

I met a dude who as bear druid has macro iron fur with 3 abilities (with maul too ofc)

And his guild mates were pondering why he struggle to tank the raid

[ionic fern]

Sounds like me.

[sharp gale]

Is it bad to do so ?

[lusty grotto]

very

mwahi stop being bad

and not good bad

bad bad

[sharp gale]

I compared to give him some help that it’s like if prot war macro shield block or ignore pain on every buttons (he surely know what shield block is)

[lusty grotto]

hes rage starving himself constantly

[ionic fern]

I'm chaotic evil when I play druid.

[lusty grotto]

thats all you need to say

only cause you probably hate it lmao

[sharp gale]

There are two ways of rage starving, 100% it is both ways the issue with him, but the spending is the biggest issue yes

[lusty grotto]

just hit him with a stick

bears get it

or a newspaper roll

like this

[sharp gale]

You know how he talked to me about keybinds, I’m doubting now he has 2 hands, I might gently ask him next time

[lusty grotto]

ah well

yeah that's a different situation

but there are options

mmo mice, etc

i have a friend that is in a static in ffxiv with a one-handed heals

[sharp gale]

Yeah once I heard it will be easier once I get pedals, I was WDYM ???

[lusty grotto]

and she plays reasonably well

but she uses a controller, of course

they clear savage every tier (also some ultimates)

i mean pedals sound fucking reasonable

also metal af

every time someone mentions one, i want one

bfa bootyclapping with a pedal, takes me back to when we used to talk about it here

[sharp gale]

Idk if he actually has 1 hand, it was more of a surprised, still a side-stranger relation to me, idk much about him

[opaque bobcat]

Given the DHs synergy with caster teams, what comps do you all think synergize best with pwar? I'm thinking of pushing some melee cleave higher keys for fun. I really only thoroughly know warrior in TWW, so my comp building skills are lacking, but I've been on and off since 2006.

[round pendant]

I wish I wasn't the tank bitch of my friend group

[sharp gale]

I saw nzoth mythic with no hands, what a monster

[round pendant]

Imagine getting to play DPS or level/gear alts in reasonable time frames

[sharp gale]

You « need » a bloodlust, 1 brez, a way to have a kick rotation and then damage synergy

Then survive the key utility

So 1 disenrage, dispell etc

Consider if you need a minimum of range / melee bc some mechs target only X préf range

[opaque bobcat]

Just taking the keys I've done so far, if i were to make a solid cleave group, i'd go unh dk, havoc, rogue or WW, and disc priest. Think that's solid for 12-15s?

[sharp gale]

Oh, i don’t think you really need to worry about the comp for these

[opaque bobcat]

i've got loads of high quality jumper cables, use them often and share cd anyways so i figure that's fine

[round pendant]

Shammy

Tho I haven't seen ANY enhance this season

[sharp gale]

Yeah I also have them, but 1 instant brez is nice

[opaque bobcat]

ahh yeah, left out lust, obvs a lust yea

[sharp gale]

Just use drums tbh

Don’t make your friends play a bl spec if they don’t want to, you can be rank 1 off meta spec without lust

[opaque bobcat]

i have tons of those also, but discount lust feels cheapened so i usually bring a dev evoker. Just trying to try a few runs with same comp to see what really feels best as pwar

[round pendant]

drums are way too expensive

😔

[opaque bobcat]

Additional question: what resources are best to push these higher keys? I don't watch any streamers, i refer to mdt often, and i have gotten nearly to 3k solely through time spent and common sense, I just want a solid resource for little intricacies that matter quite a bit when pushing higher, mostly that I've learned on my own, through many many deaths lol

[sharp gale]

Mdt and a way to see cd timers of trashs is what I would say basic

For routing it is try, die and retry

[opaque bobcat]

bigwigs does great to show the timers for that stuff on bosses, but i've found no alternative for trash aside from just remembering from death lol

[sharp gale]

Just think after 10, it’s 10% increase each lvl from the lvl before so, if you time -10% the key, your route will work in thelvl after

[opaque bobcat]

are there even any weak auras that show when a mob will cast their spells or not? Or is it just interrupt as you see fit?

[opaque bobcat]

helpful, thanks

[sharp gale]

Once you time a key with 0 death and 1 min left, maybe it’s the moment to remove 1 pull on your route

Don’t do mdi / +18 pulls when you clearly don’t need to basically

[opaque bobcat]

mdi?

[dusk bramble]

Who are the recommendations for pure Prot Warrior gameplay commentary (M+)? I'm looking to see how i can improve

[gleaming mauve]

quick stupid question guys, does defensive stance lower your damage by 10% when you use it on protection

[round pendant]

no

Not anymore

[gleaming mauve]

thank you

[chilly brook]

this key is cooked before it even starts

[round pendant]

lmao

at least he has spell block

[alpine ravine]

thats my goat

[round cliff]

u dont need violent outburst if u have double ravager rage gen..

huge brain actually?

[chilly brook]

the more I look at the build the worse it gets

[round cliff]

wrecking throw is also huge brain

or is that shattering throw lol

[jagged gust]

drops ED, but takes HR and Bolster to supplement SB uptime

https://tenor.com/view/jason-bourne-gif-24596661

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-jerry-mouse-oh-really-what-did-you-say-gif-4567866740137164332

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/let-him-cook-cook-cookin-big-wok-gif-141999319614473134

[alpine ravine]

when do we swap cyrces out

[round cliff]

when sims tell u to

it wont be for anything less than a maxed out heroic ring tho

[jagged gust]

idk about that, tim

[ionic nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/cant-unsee-how-to-unsee-blind-homer-simpson-simpsons-gif-17613101

It’s monday morning, that’s too much

[round pendant]

m0s are worse than m+

2 dungeons and 2 people just go afk half way through

despair

[valid spade]

We did a 10 earlier this week and on the initial pull someone ass pulled another mob. The shaman refused to attack and complained. Mythics with pugs is eye opening

We had a DK with 665 ilvl do under 1.5mil DPS somehow on the first cinderbrew pull as well. Yet they were 3k rated... Joys

[mortal cypress]

people are such assholes....rather than going "shit happens" they bitch and moan and dont help fuck it

*fix it lol

not fuck it

[latent dome]

I just saw a VoD of sense running +12 priory and on the first boss I can see he sometimes has shield block for 14+ seconds, how can that be? I only ever get SB for ~6 seconds

[mortal cypress]

I was doing an 11 last night and a person dc'd, and we carried on as 4 man.....didnt time it ofc, but we finished it

wish more grps were like that

[valid spade]

Even if it goes wrong, you can still learn from it

You can't say the word for a bird that can be blue, or great the T I T without it flagging haha

[mortal cypress]

tit

wdym

[round pendant]

I've had that happen

people tilting on pack 1

in +10s lmao

[round pendant]

Uh, you have 2 charges of shield block and with the correct talents they're 8s each

• shield charge gives shield block too

[oak ivy]

Scharge + Both stacks of SB gives like 20sec of shield by the time you've got it all cast

[mortal cypress]

I had that on DFC literally 1hr ago......
Russian tank: Rogue do no dps, kick rogue
Me: Its M+......
2 packs later: случайные has left the grp

[latent dome]

Ahh, might have been a combo of both

[oblique remnant]

There's always at least 1 dps who does 0 damage so by that logic you'd never finish a key lol

[mortal cypress]

I had 2 keys today that were pretty sweet....everyone within 5% dps of each other, everyone kicking, no wipes, good vibes

but again I do max 11-12

[valid spade]

I had a message saying I'd used a blocked word and that was the only bad word lol

[mortal cypress]

oh right

sometimes it get confused and sees bad words within words

[valid spade]

You lot running ravager or not. I feel like it's a DPS loss for big aoe pulls etc. but not sure how vital it is.

[mortal cypress]

i just follow wowhead like a zealot because I dont know better, so yes

[valid spade]

Yea but discussions here said we could drop but I assume maybe it's for like raid etc. with no additional mobs

[mortal cypress]

what would you take instead? bladestorm?

that does fuckall damage too and you cant use other abilities at the same time

[valid spade]

You take battering ram

[mortal cypress]

hmm not even sure what that is, sec

oh im in the prot channel, im so dumb

[round pendant]

Ravager is good for the rage gen

[mortal cypress]

need more coffee

[round pendant]

you get to spam revenge like a madman

[valid spade]

So the feeling is I can just ravager spam and hit multiple

[mortal cypress]

battering ram looks way more fun than ravager

[valid spade]

Instead of ravager

[mortal cypress]

just reading the tooltip

[valid spade]

I've been trying it to be fair just not sure if I'm doing more or not really. Or I dont play it well

[mortal cypress]

i dont really tank though....i carry a shield and sword just because sometimes I have to, but im fury 95% of the time

[karmic plinth]

u can take br and rav if u dont take indom

[round pendant]

That's true

people seem to be liking BSV this season though

[manic sage]

Timer for sb stacks, so I guess he pressed SB and Shield Charge

[final linden]

what can i drop for disrupting shout, want to keep show of force if possible

[jagged pier]

u drop show of force there is no other option

[violet ginkgo]

question is how good is disrupting shout this season? same as last season?

[jagged pier]

good in some dungeons, ppl comformation bias it as a pug saver as usualy tho

[final linden]

not sure, first time tanking just wanted an extra safety net to start with

[cerulean tusk]

It got some tech, like the candle 🕯️ ragers and the boombas in workshop to make pulls super smooth.
In general it is just ok to have, but if you spend it you won't have AoE taunt to bounce back with if you die

[mortal cypress]

@cerulean tusk speaking of candles.....on that boss in dfc, you want to blow the candles out right, and reignite them, and rinse and repeat?

ah i just answered my own question

as long as one gets hit its fine

[cerulean tusk]

I just mark one candle, that is the only one ppl are to blow out.
That same candle is used as the safe spot and isn't ignited by the fire swirls

[mortal cypress]

Yeah some tank went apeshit saying that we wiped because not enough candles were blown out

thought that was bollocks, and ofc it is

[cerulean tusk]

He prob just got turned around in his head. I was too the first few times

[valid spade]

As long as there's a safe spot it's fine I thought

Biggest mind fuck for me is last boss

Having to pick shit up I guess that's a good disrupting shout type boss

[stiff gate]

It is very good, makes a lot of otherwise tough pulls much easier like the flame elemental room in dfc, triple thunderer in rookery first boss room, some of the packs on the beer side of cinderbrew, first pull of workshop (assuming you do the whole room), kelp pull in floodgate, any pack you decide to pull with 2-3 casters in priory, first ghost wing pull in theater, etc.

[idle copper]

You pull the whole room?

[hallow nimbus]

any have a good road for motherload?

[topaz latch]

unlike previous seasons/expacs BSV has actually been doing work for me. or im getting worse in my old age.

[round pendant]

well I think it was literally broken for most/all of DF

"broken" as in it procced based on pre-mitigation damage lol

[topaz latch]

that would explain A LOT.

so wat did is use to do compare to now??

[round pendant]

now it actually works how it's intended

[topaz latch]

it actually prevents one shots now right?

[round pendant]

I don't think so

but basically before you'd always have your mit up but it'd calculate the damage before that mitigation

so say a hit would take you down to 20% if you didn't have shield wall up

but you did have shield wall up so it only took you down to like 50%

bsv would still proc

[topaz latch]

oh sheeet. i actually think i remember that. yeah it doesnt do that anymore, which would explain the difference.

[round pendant]

so now it's actually a non-useless talent and there's some flex points people are actually using it

[topaz latch]

yeah i took off indom, never liked ravager anyways. easy choice. bsv saved my first plus ten a while back and ive stuck with it. hate priory 2nd boss.

[ionic fern]

[topaz latch]

i like wat i like

[lusty grotto]

you dont like having never ending rage for big pack revenge spam?

yikers

[karmic plinth]

god id love to have 45s rav back

[topaz latch]

dont need it. YiKeRs.

[lusty grotto]

👍

[topaz latch]

its actually more i dont like the ability. im not rage starved, and i dont pug, and my dps team members are big pumpers, so packs dont live too long. but again, and honestly, i just dont like the ability.

[lusty grotto]

it is what it is

[topaz latch]

it is in fact, what it is.

having regular multiple key groups that voice coordinate and run multiple times a week, allows a lot more flexibility. even according to this discord theres a lot of others who dropped ravager when they got their four piece.

[lusty grotto]

you dont need to keep justifying your pick

we get it

[karmic plinth]

a lot of ppl did rav > br because we didn't think to drop indom

[lusty grotto]

but its just better to drop battering ram for bsv

[topaz latch]

i can if i want tho?

[lusty grotto]

ok, but that just show youre not completely confident in your pick

c:

[topaz latch]

i mean you can infer that

c:

[lusty grotto]

i can

[topaz latch]

that was me a month ago

[lusty grotto]

c:

[topaz latch]

c:

[lusty grotto]

c:

you seem upset at my smiley face

[cerulean burrow]

just kiss already jesus christ

[lusty grotto]

its monday, have a happy day

[topaz latch]

im not, but you can infer that. happy monday nim.

[lusty grotto]

c:

[topaz latch]

c:

[unborn island]

I run this, in keys where I know the healer/if I'm safe, I use rav and BR, but for pushing i take BSV...shrug

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

[topaz latch]

in here, one day its drop BR for BSV, and the next its drop Rav for BSV. just depends on the day.

[karmic plinth]

i think u csn totally personal pref it but ur losing something big either way

[topaz latch]

yeah, i was pleasantly surprised about indom being dropped

[unborn island]

Rav and revenge spam makes me aroused

[lusty grotto]

the consensus was always drop battering in aoe/keys, and drop rav in ST

[solid sun]

I’ve never once seen anyone say drop ravager of all things for bsv. Maybe I just don’t pay enough attention but that seems wild

[lusty grotto]

it makes sense

[unborn island]

I think sense has been running BSV/BR

[topaz latch]

yeah this is good wisdom

[lusty grotto]

probably depends on the dungeon

[unborn island]

But he is so good he is not a reference point for me 😦

[topaz latch]

CBM i take rav and bsv

[lyric fern]

Very early in the season I dropped rav for bsv so I could keep indom. But now that I have gear and doing higher keys, I dropped indom and went back to rav, having the extra rage simply makes more sense

[lyric galleon]

Enlighten me fellow warriors Bsv?

[solid sun]

What’s the correlation between coordination and rage gen?

[lusty grotto]

nothing

[cerulean tusk]

The warrior cheat death

[topaz latch]

battle scarred veteran, our cheat death

[lyric galleon]

Thx:)

[topaz latch]

directly? nothing.

[solid sun]

Well anyways

I need a solid alt to mix things up

What has everyone been going with

[topaz latch]

5 warriors of different races and a beastmaster for afk brain

[mortal cypress]

BM hunter is chill as hell and pumps, also has BL

[topaz latch]

BM is such a great alt. makes the game feel relaxing like farmville.

[vital vale]

devoker is no cap super fun to play if you don't mind the transmog crap they gotta deal with

and the awkward 25 yard range limit

[mortal cypress]

what does no cap mean

[vital vale]

idk but it felt relevant

[mortal cypress]

is that very fun or not very fun

[lusty grotto]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=No cap

[mortal cypress]

yeah i have to use that site a lot lately

oh ok, authenticity

thanks

[lusty grotto]

cap is like a tooth cap = fake

so basically cap is a lie

[mortal cypress]

i see, i see, cheers

[lusty grotto]

im a fucking boomer

and i got it pretty fast

[mortal cypress]

the other one was "low key"

and "cooked"

[lusty grotto]

low key isnt really new

[mortal cypress]

it is to me 😛

[vital vale]

that's low key pretty rad no cap

[mortal cypress]

Totally bro, low key amazeballs......rides off on skateboard

[lusty grotto]

thats 90s speak

[vital vale]

Steve buschemi is that u

[lusty grotto]

so youre younger than me

[mortal cypress]

doubt that, but im not doxxing myself

[toxic pewter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/213770533769052162/1352080217564250295/big2.gif?=&width=768&height=960

[solid sun]

Hey nim

[solid sun]

I was born in the 80s. Do you have me beat too

[lusty grotto]

we're about tied

[toxic pewter]

Sometimes when I am sad I just watch these two gifs

[mortal cypress]

who knows

[lusty grotto]

early 80s or late 80s?

[solid sun]

Late

[lusty grotto]

ok yeah i beat you

[mortal cypress]

you guys are literally competing on who will die first

[lusty grotto]

i will die first

[solid sun]

It’s just a question

[lusty grotto]

there's no doubt about it

for reasons i will not mention

but i will die first

🙂

[mortal cypress]

that is morbid

[lusty grotto]

not quite

its a win

LOL

for Rhino

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-squidward-tentacles-spongebob-look-around-awkward-gif-496727432057798195

[topaz latch]

dang, yall older than the internet?

[solid sun]

It’s true

[topaz latch]

remember to take your pills for your back

[solid sun]

They don’t work

[mortal cypress]

me: i remember when I had to call the internet man and it made screeching noises"
everyone else: Ok grandpa, time to go to bed

[solid sun]

Who was it in here that had mobs get RoP’d behind them and the mobs all assassinated them

[topaz latch]

dont forget your class action lawsuits for asbestos too, ig

[solid sun]

Cause that happened to me yesterday

And it was so funny

[lusty grotto]

there's a lot of people

it happens a lot in pugs, even to myself

not just RoP but any KB

just have to be quick to readjust before

also i die every day i look at my trinket slots

[solid sun]

I have hero track pacemaker and tome so I feel pretty okay

But I still have champion track helm and shoulders

[lusty grotto]

youre a champ

[solid sun]

lol it doesn’t feel very champy

[lusty grotto]

this is true i have champ gloves still

[strong forum]

if i were to play bsv, id drop BR instead of ravager to get it

indom is long gone from my talents

[lusty grotto]

[violet ginkgo]

welp they nerf indom too hard isn't it

[strong forum]

they nerfed by ~ 50% ye

• rage nerf

making it pretty dogshit

tierset + IO also helps making it less useful

[vital vale]

hey here's a weird question

[topaz latch]

i was secretly happy with letting go of indom. our tree felt too tight(?)

[vital vale]

do our mitigation abilities have a hierarchy order or are they additive? if the former, then what's the order? does shield wall cut the damage off by 40% first then the remaining goes to shield blocks office and loses another chunk and finally it visits doctor ignore pain and gets cut by half a final time?

[lusty grotto]

full absorbs are first

Wall DR then partial absorbs

iirc

IP is a partial absorb

DRs in general after full absorbs, not just wall

[vital vale]

so disc absorbs don't benefit from SW and pain supp?

[lusty grotto]

no

neither does coccoon

but full absorbs have some benefits

[vital vale]

shame, but at least ignore pain isn't losing value

[lusty grotto]

there are mechs that can be completely avoidable with them, but they are very few

like spiders in BRH

and there's one boss in Undermine atm

[vital vale]

alright good to know

[lusty grotto]

thats why we usually dont recommend full absorb trinkets

i.e. treemouth vs fyraak's

treemouth being a partial absorb

fyraak being a full absorb

[vital vale]

is that why mud is ranked so low for warr

[lusty grotto]

yeah but again

mud is good for that one undermine boss, i forget which one it is

[slender bison]

You guys will argue about anything. Where do you BL in Rookery 13+?

PUG context, Randos

[vital vale]

in pugs I'd lust pack before 2nd boss, otherwise lust 2nd boss

but idk I'm not that high rated

[slender bison]

Which pack? How many? 2 packs?

[vital vale]

the 2 door guys and the group before them, pull together

[slender bison]

Because you can't fit 3 BLs if you go that late

[topaz latch]

lockensprocker?

[vital vale]

you can fit 3

[slender bison]

You die from lightning mobs overlap with bird aoe

[vital vale]

first pull you lust, and again during last boss damage amp

[slender bison]

Ok, so it's always 1st miniboss

[vital vale]

yeah why not? 1st boss is a joke

[topaz latch]

wait, so where does bombsuit dr fit in in the order of operations with blocks, armor, DR, absorbs etc etc?

[vital vale]

its partial absorb so I assume it's like ignore pain

which explains why it's so much higher on the tier list for warri

[lusty grotto]

partial absorb

[topaz latch]

ah nice. ive been using it like a crutch, but its been growing on me.

[slender bison]

Not in 13-14. But thanks

[lusty grotto]

whenever it says "reduce damage taken by X%", its a partial absorb

[vital vale]

I did rookery 13 tho and 1st boss (not miniboss) was a joke idk. but maybe it's hard for healers

[topaz latch]

ah alright. its split into two halves and it confused my two braincells. the 75% dr and the X million absorb limit.

[topaz latch]

luv me bombsuit.

[lusty grotto]

to name a few others

[topaz latch]

ah, its all coming together

where do you all rate bombsuit? i only have champ so far.

[lusty grotto]

its the best defensive trinket in the game

by far and wide

thats why Nome ranks it so high in the guide

[topaz latch]

im not use to the game having good defensive trinkets lol

[modern snow]

lust first pull, double pack by door, then last boss, fits 3

[sand condor]

I usually just play offensive trinkets because I’m an offensive kinda guy

[solid sun]

Ara-Kara, floodgate, priory, and dawnbreaker were the four highest poling dungeons from the season 3 pole

[sand condor]

(I dps in raids :((((

[lusty grotto]

nothing wrong with that

defensive trinkets are only for pushing tbh

and prog at best

best unequipped otherwise

no reason to use them for vault keys etc

[solid sun]

I was watching Dorki and Yoda and some of those other dudes doing a ML +16 and their route was like being super sneaky past most of the stuff headed to the first boss arena

Is that what yall are trying to do

Or just a classic W route in 12s

[lusty grotto]

yeah i do that kind of

[topaz latch]

yeah i switch out bombsuit for kezan in raid.

[lusty grotto]

but im sure they do a lot more skips than that

[solid sun]

They fought the thug and whatever at the disco dance floor

And then skipped like everything up to the pack guarding the boss arena, tank pulled it and went right everyone else went left and them shadow melded to drop aggro

[modern snow]

I do this variety its v chill

[modern snow]

oh they skipped all peacekeepers basically? damn

nelf tech

[solid sun]

I had never even considered a stealth mission

[lusty grotto]

makes sense

1st area used to be where you got % but shit just hurts there now

so you want % off the mastermind area

[limpid tide]

Hey is brew hard? It’s about to get a 15% buff

[lusty grotto]

which is way easier now (compared to BFA where it was the hardest one)

[solid sun]

They kept failing so I never got to see their mastermind area - do you pull a lot of them?

[lusty grotto]

theres a lot of ez count there

and reflect tech

[solid sun]

I’d have to get the squad in there and practice skipping the first section

[topaz latch]

in the next patch?

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt use it

unless there's someone here updating it

[solid sun]

Instead of wowanalyzer you can submit a log to wherever they go here

And a warrior can help you out

[lusty grotto]

yeah its probably better

[solid sun]

Log review. Found it

[slender bison]

My current way, cool

[solid sun]

It’s right there in the name

[small steeple]

Huh? Like brewmaster? What buff?

[slender bison]

Seems Ara Kara won the returning S3 dungeon. Now all they have is to nerf the trinket

[lusty grotto]

yeah i saw that

fucking ara kara

instead of priory for tome 😢

[slender bison]

It's a blast as a tank to chain pull exploding spiders

[solid sun]

Ara-Kara, floodgate, priory, and dawnbreaker

I wonder if they’re only taking the top pick or if it’s all of them or somewhere in between

Maybe we get four from votes, four thematically relevant and a mega dungeon that gets converted to m+ for season 4?

[small steeple]

People like floodgate? Or is that just for the trinket??? Like I have yet to time a 10+ FG but I've timed 12s of the other dungeons. People just can't do the last boss

[little ermine]

maybe 4 most voted, and 4 others from previous expac

[slender bison]

Judging by their development velocity, I have a feeling S3 will come in August

[solid sun]

Love floodgate. The homies enjoy it, too

[small steeple]

I want to like it. But I've had such bad experiences with pugs in it

[solid sun]

The last boss is the hardest part but I fully get you

I had a similar situation with ara Kara

Everyone said how easy it was but everytime I ran it the last boss packed up the group

[small steeple]

Like, with Ara, last boss was easy, and as a bdk I could just say screw you and solo the boss if everyone dies

But even bdk can't solo last boss of FG because of its mechanics

[dusky canopy]

@finite pumice gm! Curious if you maintain Prot for wowa at all or just the dps specs?

Chat about it above

[slender bison]

Ara Kara was notorious for having an excellent run and brick they key at last boss due to swirly chaos. It's a high risk high reward dungeon

[small steeple]

Maybe its because I started Season 1 late, like after 11.0.5, but I never really had issues too much in AK

[slender bison]

Yep. First month you always had a guarantee fuck up

Nobody went there once their Hero trinket dropped

And when alt sweatlords started to pop up, the dungeon was a smash

[small steeple]

I mean, I liked ara just because I did big pulls, and it was late enough in season I guess that people could do the boss. It wasn't until last few weeks of season that I had any issues with it

[slender bison]

You as tank had no governances, it was up to DPS to not die from poison waves

[lusty grotto]

I'm taking an interest in updating it, maybe I'll get around to it

[slender bison]

You always gambled 30 min run for a fuck up at last boss

[lusty grotto]

Could be an interesting side project

I just heavily dislike coding on my free time since I do it for a job

[dusky canopy]

I Zug bro I don’t have the brain power for that

[small steeple]

What language?

[lusty grotto]

All of them

[small steeple]

or field if its too broad for 1?

[lusty grotto]

Heavy Java, ecma, c#, python

ML

Tensorflow etc

But that's dying off

[young wasp]

Gang I need more brainrot noise for my weakauras, any suggestions?

I don't have anything for spell reflect or demolish currently, open to suggestions, thanks

[lusty grotto]

Use ayaya sound I used in BFA when corruption ghosts spawned

Can't watch right now, but it's excellent (also cause I fucking hate anime)

I have it somewhere still

[young wasp]

🤔 I do need more anime coded brainrot

[slender bison]

So, agriculture?

[lusty grotto]

I remember I sniped it off gingi

But so did everyone tbh

[lusty grotto]

Was talking about tensorflow etc

Coding isn't dying

Machine learning is, kind of

Despite what everyone says

[slender bison]

I dunno man, I'm comfy with C/Rust. AI too stupid to write C

[solid sun]

Trades are hurting rn

At least here

[slender bison]

Or operating systems designs

[lusty grotto]

AI is too stupid to write anything without the proper prompt

Yeah Rhino

C/Rust is fun

[toxic pewter]

They should bring back the real corruption and everything not these fake wannabe head enchants

Want all the giga stats

[small steeple]

I'd not necessarily agree, but not going to disagree either. The big llm ai boom is ending but ML is still going to be growing in many fields

[lusty grotto]

not with a plateau in training data it aint

well, i suppose it goes right with what you're saying

designing more efficient AI is still gonna be good

[lusty grotto]

there you go

that fucking sound always wakes me up

[young wasp]

ty

[small steeple]

time to go goblin mode on shipement and rek some kids in Cod

[lusty grotto]

big rage in RL

[small steeple]

full brainrot ahoy

[young wasp]

This will be my demolish off cd

[oak ivy]

Not a kill but this was our lowest% pull on Stix M, brew is perma ball. Is there a buff or smth that makes you do more damage after ball? we are both confused

is he just goated?

[small steeple]

ye

[lusty grotto]

hes good

[small steeple]

he got that big brew pp

[lusty grotto]

probably slapping those hyenas while theyre debuffed

[oak ivy]

noted

I'm trying to pad AOE but it is not working out

[lusty grotto]

brew isnt bad on damage

if that's your perception

[oak ivy]

tank balance aside I feel like I should be doin a lot more since I'm permaboss

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[solid sun]

Check boss damage

Instead of overall

[oak ivy]

800k/s

[small steeple]

:sus:

[lusty grotto]

they arent

[small steeple]

all bosses heroic. So more than I thought. Last I checked it was bottom

[lusty grotto]

yeah

and they would be on top of VDH if not for FS

[undone beacon]

YEAHHH BEAR ON TOP (OF THE BOTTOM)

[solid sun]

Bear is so bad

And also cringe

[undone beacon]

guardian sweeping (the floor)

[solid sun]

Only super weirdos would play it

:)

[oak ivy]

my brew boi swapped from bear early season

very glad

[small steeple]

So this is hero sprocket, so in terms of pure single, bottom 3 are far below top 3

[solid sun]

Okay wait

[undone beacon]

dude, just LOOK at that guardian. Not even bottom. Huge

[oak ivy]

im just playing M+ talents for Stix, do we think I lean more into boss dam or just aoe pad

[solid sun]

How can you link that picture and say the bottom three are “far below”

Vdh and brew are like 100k apart?

[small steeple]

Don't look at the dot. That is the max and is an outlier, look at the interquartile range for a represenative of the data

[lusty grotto]

brew is also the least popular tank so it makes sense for the disparity between top parses and average

[solid sun]

Stop using big words at me like you’re a wizard

[small steeple]

Look at solid color zone for 25-75%

[solid sun]

Even just looking at the big rectangle portions vdh and brew are neck and neck?

[small steeple]

Black line is median

[lusty grotto]

and a lot of brews are just bad

[solid sun]

Lookit how close

What am I missing?

[small steeple]

Statistically, you would say that they are all close enough th at it is unable to verify if there is a difference

[lusty grotto]

that just means numbers tuning has been decent

[small steeple]

exactly

THe median for each tank spec damage falls within the IQR of every other spec

[solid sun]

Okay so if they’re all close enough that it is unable to verify that there is a difference why are you suggesting that the bottom three are are far below

That doesn’t seem to match the picture you shared

[small steeple]

Because in wow terms in st, 100k can be a lot

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/42/?difficulty=4&boss=3014&class=Tanks&dataset=99&metric=bossdps

this is more representative

of class balance for ST

but even then its fuck

[small steeple]

why OAB not sprocket? I see you removed aoe damage from it too

[strong forum]

sprocket is too short

dies way too quickly

bandit is almost long enough

and yeah i removed aoe

[small steeple]

Interesting. When considering the full data set, its really weird

Iteresting to note bdk and prot war are basically the same, except pwar max is higher

[strong forum]

cuz of sniping aoe

with demolish revenge

BDKs aoe is random procs

ours is deterministic

thats why pwar heroic logs will look far bigger

[small steeple]

Still on Damage to boss so shouldn't include any aoe?

[strong forum]

i cant tell from your screenshot if you included aoe or not

[slender bison]

Compare all you want, 13-15s keyowners only want VDHs

[strong forum]

warrior also has the benefit of execute

[small steeple]

Always interesting to see the range on druid, because it shows those who cat weave and those that don't

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[strong forum]

it also shows the massive skill gap

this is also a massive gap

the firemage has same ilvl as me

and yet i almost double his dmg

[small steeple]

Which one are you?

[strong forum]

even tho firemage is the OMG BROKEN MEGA SPEC

im godgamerx ofc

[small steeple]

ah ofc

[solid sun]

You can tell by the x at the end

[undone beacon]

huge survival hunter

love it

[small steeple]

Fire mage is also really hard, and bad if the tank doesn't pull around it

But yeah love the survival. ST kings rn

[strong forum]

[slender bison]

Can we make this our channel background?

[lusty grotto]

idk about hard

fire mage skill cap has been higher in previous seasons

[solid sun]

Doesn’t fire mage get combustion way more often than they used to?

[strong forum]

yessir

[lusty grotto]

with tier yea

[small steeple]

compared to frost mage? or whatever easy dps they swapped from to play fotm?

[lusty grotto]

no, compared to itself in other seasons

[strong forum]

^

[lusty grotto]

frost is ezmode

[strong forum]

firemage has gotten comparatively easier

from xpac to xpac

[small steeple]

True enough

[lusty grotto]

yup thats what i meant

[solid sun]

What does aff excel at these days nome

[strong forum]

burst aoe

[small steeple]

Isn't aff good at spread aoe?

[strong forum]

and spread cleave

[small steeple]

thats why people want it for myth OAB right?

Same with spriest, before the nerfs hit it hard

[strong forum]

mostly spriest

[small steeple]

oh is it still spriest?

[strong forum]

yes

spriest still better at it

but aff and spriest are exceedingly good on them

destro aswell

[small steeple]

Destroy? The firestorm or what ever good at it? I'd assume boomie is good too with how starfall or whatever works

[strong forum]

destro as havoc

boomie sucks cuz they have low boss dmg

[solid sun]

Does this make aff particularly good at m+

[strong forum]

nah aff is not the "good" m+ spec

i just enjoy it the most

demo and destro are better for m+

destro has infinite aoe that doesnt slow down

demo is basically always in CDs and has higher ST dmg

affli i just like

[small steeple]

I dislike demo in my keys because they always pull with their pets

[orchid flare]

do i need to make macros to avoid clipping demolish?

[strong forum]

wdym clipping

[orchid flare]

cancel the channel before it finishes by pressing another ability

[lusty grotto]

i havent had that happen

that i remember at least

afaik the only thing that cancels it is mobs jumping out or whatever

[orchid flare]

i think shield charge is usable before demolish ends? it's hard for me to tell lol

[strong forum]

it cancels if your primary target runs out of range

but outside of that im fairly certain you cant manually cancel demolish

never happened to me

[orchid flare]

ok thanks, i'm just a bit paranoid because other classes with channeled abilities all need these macros and it's a big deal (monk, priest) so i wasn't sure

[forest sluice]

is collosus basically just spam shield slam and revenge and dont die?

if so i love this

i only thunderclap to keep bleeds up right?

[lusty grotto]

and if youre low on rage and SS is on cd

but pretty much yea

[forest sluice]

im a serious boi

the mog adds 30 percent dps

[kindred hearth]

what kind of rings would you guys play with? the roulette wheel is high vers/low haste

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims better

[kindred hearth]

Survivabilitywise

[lusty grotto]

whatever sims better

[smoky anvil]

^

Sim it, go off dam. Survivability is much more proper button pressing than one ring vs another.

[lusty grotto]

and all your secondaries provide defensive value

[kindred hearth]

But simming prot warrior is kinda wack isn't it, because it will always sim the most damage without defensives

[lusty grotto]

we sim here

so its not wack

[strong forum]

survivability comes from playing

not from stats

and all stats grant defensive benefits

my recommendation, as i dont know the ilvl on your rings, is circlet + championship ring or jastors

[lusty grotto]

depends on the track

hes not giving us much info

im assuming they are all hero

[kindred hearth]

All rings are 665, championship is myth but not upgraded yet

[lusty grotto]

also cyrce provides very little defensive value, so sims will be right

especially when a myth track ring is present

[strong forum]

then, depending on overall haste, you could run championship + jastor

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[strong forum]

if you have 18k haste with this ring combo, play that

[lusty grotto]

what is a 665 jastor? max champ im assuming? im pulling a Nish this season and not remembering tracks

[kindred hearth]

Hero

[lusty grotto]

except for 678 myth which is max myth

ah yes, max hero

seems like a good combo

[kindred hearth]

I started to play a bit of prot warrior again because dps warr isnt working out, did a few 12s and a 13 this weekend with the big versa ring+championsship, but i am just doubting if jastors should replace my versa

[lusty grotto]

it should

[kindred hearth]

Bit of vers feels good against bleeds and dots

[lusty grotto]

just get a trashmaster cloak if youre worried about it

[strong forum]

all that 2.5% damage reduction

big feelsgood moment

changing 1 item wont affect survivability in any way

unless you make a FULLSWAP on ALL items, i doubt you will notice any change in stats

except for haste cuz that has long lasting effects

but crit/vers/mastery doesnt matter how much you have of what, they all have their benefits

crit is the most dmg and extremely good in large pulls, especially for colossus

vers is little flat damage reduction and mediocre dmg gain

mastery is small damage but pretty good vs blockable dmg

so pick your poison

[kindred hearth]

That makes sense

[strong forum]

hence why we just sim, because stats have an actual proper effect on that, but defensively stats make a much much much smaller difference

*aside from haste

[jagged gust]

I have 17.5k Crit, 17.5k Haste, 4k Mastery and 4k Vers

It's the most beautiful stat layout I have ever achieved

On a real note, how tf did Ara Ara beat SV for S3 by 4x the votes?

[fading tide]

Does siren island ring work on mage tower?

[lusty grotto]

no it reason why it shouldn't

[smoky anvil]

I didn’t really pay attention to it, fight was cake.

Gear is really cute, recommend.

[strong forum]

Everything but tierset bonuses should work

I think

[solid sun]

Hey @strong forum earlier you had briefly mentioned the big skill gap between different people when guardian druid was referenced.

How much damage does a good guardian actually gain? Can a well played cat weaving bear go from pretty poor damage to rivaling the top 3 tanks? Or is the swing not that pronounced

[jagged gust]

idk if there's really a "top 3 tanks"

VDH on top by a bit, monk on bottom by a bit, everyone else is bing chillin

including bear

[solid sun]

Within the context of that particular conversation, the "top three" were identified as pwar and blood dk 1 and 2 with vdh just a bit behind

brew was in the middle and bear/paladin were bringing up the rear

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

start there

[strong forum]

i mean in general

average pampunga tank barely breaks 900k this season

[graceful kite]

isnt it hard to do below 1mil

[strong forum]

youd BE VERY SURPRISED

[graceful kite]

I did some keys as priest and i was surprised by 1,.1mil pala

but 900k sounds like pockets of afk or huge lag

you need to do your rotation somewhat to survive

[strong forum]

ive had tanks do 250k

900k average was me being gracious

[solid sun]

I did some heroic pugging this weekend and my “tank partner” was a prot pal doing 250k

I ended up doing every stix ball without ever having to push taunt

[dusty arch]

is brewmaster literally undertuned or is it just skillgap/unpopularity that keeps them at bottom?

[frosty mango]

Little of both

Stagger is hard to balance so it’s either bad or insanely good comparatively - coupled with the fact that it’s not super intuitive to play

The fact that there isn’t really a community champion for it also probably pushes down representation a lot, just less folks playing it overall

[strong forum]

undertuned

and theyre not vdh/pally/bear

[solid sun]

The idea of catweaving in raids sounds really fun

But it might play out as just extra steps to do what other tanks already do

[strong forum]

catweaving is a 40% dmg gain

in raid

[solid sun]

But still lose to pwar who doesn’t have to shift forms yeah?

[wicked pollen]

i had a vdh playing felscarred have aggro problems walk around like a bot and do 0 damage in a 12

[graceful kite]

brew is a bdk that has a healer instead of death strike

[solid sun]

Huh

[strong forum]

yeah

checks out

[lusty grotto]

did equinox quit

wasnt he the brew champ

well and andy, when hes not play prot pal

[strong forum]

hes got a hot GF now

so he won

[lusty grotto]

my equinox moment... in ffxiv

o7

i thought it was some dude named as him but thats him

[lusty grotto]

nah real men have both

🙂

[hardy snow]

I preferred catweaving back in s1/s2 of SL, was more interesting than current

[valid spade]

I typed in equinox wow and it's about him and being compared to diddy?

[chilly brook]

It’s certainly undertuned, it just has poop damage and while it’s pretty tanky at the start of a pull if the pull goes on for a long time with the way it’s designed you get starved for brews and it gets really dicey in comparison to other tanks.

That being said it’s also a skill issue, the class is kinda inverse of a lot of other tanks in that the more damage you take in some ways you actually scale your self sustain and you become “more tanky” in some respects. But your healer also has to baby you more than other tanks.

The spec really just needs some sort of rework.

[chilly brook]

Because he’s a freak and weird

[valid spade]

Fair enough

Talking of monk tanks tho in mists you literally just kitted as it. Same as bdk it was all slows and run while people killed

[chilly brook]

I mean the whole situation surrounding that was cringe and fucked

[chilly brook]

https://x.com/equinoxmonk/status/1852405560332955870?s=46

Jon/Equinox (@equinoxmonk) on X

X · Nov 1, 2024, 5:41 PM

Like I said bro is a freak

[lusty grotto]

lol ok

thats cringe as fuck

[chilly brook]

He also basically cheated on his previous gf for that chick, the new chick even made a guild named “homewreckers”

[valid spade]

I do like a monster tbf

[strong forum]

doesnt matter

still hot gf

[valid spade]

The one in the picture?!

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[valid spade]

Back on topic

What's your favourite monster flavour

[lusty grotto]

none

i dont drink monster

[valid spade]

That's where you're going wrong

[hardy snow]

it's better to not drink this unhealthy shit

I like strawberry and pinapple (sugar free) most

[valid spade]

It's better to not sit and play wow but there we are

[jagged gust]

all monster tastes like it's actively trying to escape my mouth

[solid sun]

I stand and play wow

Tyvm

[hardy snow]

here we are, playing wow, drinking monster

[lusty grotto]

nope

im not even doing any of those

[valid spade]

Oh I couldn't drink the sugar ones they are mental. I like the ultra and the green one

Maybe that's how I lost my hair

[jagged gust]

i like the blue and orange one with all the mexican skulls on it

[wicked pollen]

he also got mad when i asked if he was new

lol

he legit pulled 1 pack at a time

[jagged gust]

1 pack andys reminding me of why even at max level classic is boring as fuck

[small steeple]

I thought it was the 20 second raid encounters?

[smoky anvil]

2 Red Bulls a day keep living older than 60 away

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[hardy snow]

[graceful kite]

rookie numbers

4 0.5l cans is a sweet spot

[smoky anvil]

In this economy? Richie Rich ova here.

[finite pumice]

I've only made updates for dps, I don't play prot or know much about it. AFAIK the APL hasn't changed much recently, but I wouldn't really know what is important to check for in a prot log anyways

[dusky canopy]

Ahh I see, no worries was just curious is all

[granite briar]

Does anyone know if the guard with the 1st boss on Priory counts towards percentage when you kill the boss, or no because it despawns?

Keystone guru is counting it, but I'm not sure that it actually does.

[small steeple]

Keystone guru is counting the version thats not with the boss

[granite briar]

gotcha so don't include that mob in the pull when making the route*

[low thistle]

hello! On +12 keys I find that pugs are finding it difficult for pull #4

[small steeple]

like if you look here at threechest.io, you see it has the miniboss with the boss off to the side, and the ones on map give count

[low thistle]

do you guys split it up or keep it all

[small steeple]

I mean, thats a lot of casters for a pug

[lusty grotto]

maybe you shouldnt pull 2 lightspawns at the same time

[low thistle]

agreed i was trying it out

ty

[lusty grotto]

those are the real danger

[granite briar]

gotcha tyvm

[granite briar]

Is there a reason why those are more efficient to pull and kill rather than making up the count elsewhere and going around the sides?

[lusty grotto]

i mean

you HAVE to pull them

or at least one of them

[granite briar]

You can walk around the outside, it's what I've been doing.

[small steeple]

Lightspawn are very great trash for the count they give

[lusty grotto]

yes but then the other captain just runs through them if you dont intercept

[small steeple]

I wouldn't avoid them

[lusty grotto]

is there a reason they are efficient? no

they just are

[granite briar]

haven't had a problem with that

even if he does he doesn't pull them

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[granite briar]

that makes sense

[lusty grotto]

ok then i dont understand the point of this discussion

[low thistle]

For the paladins on the sides. It's also normal to take both packs at same time yeah? trying to keep pug expectations low.

[undone beacon]

Just had a pug flame more for my routing in a 10 top saying that its better to lust the souls LOS hallway than the boss

[small steeple]

They kill themselves at 25% hp... have large count

[undone beacon]

Their hunter was doing bear tank damage

I got the FUCK out of there

[lusty grotto]

right

[lusty grotto]

yes

[granite briar]

ahh ok ok ty

[lusty grotto]

just stagger the pulls if youre nervous about it

[granite briar]

just discussing why it's meta to pull them rather than sticking to the outside, that's all.

[low thistle]

Thanks nim!

[small steeple]

Because the other trash is terrible

[lusty grotto]

so that their tolls arent back to back

[small steeple]

Sharpshooter and lynx? Pulling more undead Paladin/Templars at end? Not much trash here that can be pulled for low cost

[lusty grotto]

once the first consecration is down, you can pull the next paladin pack

and youll have a comfy gap to heal up between tolls

[undone beacon]

I close my eyes and w+m1 like a tf2 f2p pyro

[lusty grotto]

even then, that double wont really sync up

[small steeple]

Tolls are scripted to never cast more than 1 at a time, but they do cast back to back, so it can be really hard on the healer

[lusty grotto]

youre just widening the time between them

widening the gap, i should say

also

FYI

lightspawn channel can be LoSed

but good luck convicing pugs to do that

😎

[neon elk]

If u have good timing for bl then its more eficient on bosses, ive had groups on 12 where we lusted ghosts+big one and it all melted with like half of bl still rolling so going to waste .
If u have weird timings on BL then its w/e realy just pop it

[undone beacon]

Our timing was totally fine, and its a 10 so in pugs I run it safe and standard

If people want to bitch about routes they can roll a fucking tank

[neon elk]

I meant like BL timings

[lusty grotto]

you mean like this guy?

he left a timeable key btw

not that i needed it

i was just farming tome

[graceful kite]

Paladins are irrelevant, scary ones are spam casting priests and mages

Id even suggest to pull one pack and move to the next after casters died

[undone beacon]

huge gamer right there

[lusty grotto]

its always a shaman rager

[undone beacon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/842201708230344727/1055487345337577522/skateparkge.gif

[lusty grotto]

occassionally its a warlock

on week 1

[undone beacon]

Mine was a demo lock bragging about having 3.3k io last season

[lusty grotto]

lol

[graceful kite]

I like raging people they are very funny