you only use TC when you have no SS resets
#protection
empty loom
i checked SIMC, it pretty much cast thunder clap on CD
round pendant
Are you playing mountain thane or colossus
empty loom
unless you are over 60 rage
lusty grotto
he said colossus
empty loom
idk i thought its suppose to give max dps
empty loom
i see
lusty grotto
and you only use TC to apply/reapply rend
or if youre about to rage starve and have no SS up, so to fish for a reset
SS into Revenge with TC used only for those 2 reasons
thats it
So TC and Revenge prio is inverted almost from Thane
TC hits for a wet noodle
as colossus
also
warm plinth
Tbf if the apl is actually using it on cooldown, that sounds like an issue with the apl
lusty grotto
no not really
lusty grotto
thats..
empty loom
otherwise TC on CD
empty loom
i think they only have one APL
lusty grotto
@strong forum can explain
uhh
actually that seems about right
but youre not reading it correctly
warm plinth
Would have to see the whole apl but that doesn't look like it's using it on cooldown.
lusty grotto
Would have to see the whole apl but that doesn't look like it's using it on cool...
empty loom
thats the whole aoe APL
lusty grotto
yeah no need to put it
i linked the github file
i see no issue with it
are you rage starving or something?
are you not talented into seismic?
in aoe you're probably not gonna starve, especially with ravager up
due to free revenges etc
empty loom
i do have seismic but not ravager, took BSV
lusty grotto
lots of mobs = lots of parries
hidden rock
I'd swap those.
lusty grotto
= lots of free revenges
no
if you need BSV you swap Battering Ram for it
not ravager
ravager stays
hidden rock
No I am saying I'd swap having BSV for Rav.
warm plinth
Seismic is class tree no?
lusty grotto
i aint saying it
empty loom
yea my current play is not pressing revenge unless i have over half bar or more of rage
i guess i need to lower my threshold
round pendant
hidden rock
Yeah that'll definitely be the reason for low dps lol.
lusty grotto
your current play isnt factoring in what i just said
lusty grotto
more mobs = more parries = more free revenges
youre overthinking using revenge
also again:
if you want BSV you swap Battering for it
NOT RAVAGER
hidden rock
Regager lol.
lusty grotto
idk what you guys are talking about, it's ravager
mighty valley
groupchat renamed regager
warm plinth
round pendant
Really? Jakey said battering ram > ravager with 4pc
I'm receiving mixed signals from this server
warm plinth
On Facebook messenger, my sister's name is The Great and Powerful Sniffer of Buttcracks
round pendant
no he didn't
lusty grotto
you want both battering and ravager
theres no reason why you shouldnt pick it
indom is the point that moves
oh you meant for BSV
i suppose it depends
round pendant
Yeah if you want BSV
warm plinth
What's ravager? Anyone know what that is?
lusty grotto
but since the majority of questions about ravager are key related... we default to keeping it with BSV
you mispelled ragager 
warm plinth
hidden rock
round pendant
see cause the context was m+ and I said I wouldn't drop ravager for anything
and Jakey comes out and says BR > Ravager
and now I don't know what to think anymore
round pendant
he might have missed the context
lusty grotto
perhaps
warm plinth
Maybe misunderstood the question or jumped in the middle of a convo. There's no logical reason br would be better than rav in keys
lusty grotto
its easy to sim out the difference
empty loom
the aoe apl might need some update, its not taking into account of free revenge buff, but ST apl is
lusty grotto
tag Nome
i think thats intentional
you care more about free revenges in ST (as part of a conditional to revenge)
so the conditional has to be more explicit
rage is more abundant in AOE settings
you have no need to factor it in
lusty grotto
only 1 mob hits you in ST
so if a free revenge happens
its way less often
free revenges are due to parries and dodges
idk, i feel like this is fine
slender bison
They nerfed my right side boy in Priory so bad that now right side is easier than left 
hidden rock
On what level key?
lusty grotto
fuck i totally forgot to try it today
slender bison
On what level key?
12
mighty valley
why are we sad about this
slender bison
I was doing rights even before the nerf, as I hate the giga holy damage the priest does at the 1st boss
Right boss is easy, just dance a bit
hidden rock
I guess pick your poison.
slender bison
Try right side guys, only lynx and shooters and 2-3 priests you can cleave with Shanmeyl
round pendant
How do you make Shaynemail go right?
or does she always go left cause the group is left?
hidden rock
I'll just stick with the left and make it a healer problem. 🙂
round pendant
the trash is a lot more annoying around right side imo
for pulling
buttpull city
slender bison
Left you have 2 lightspawn, right you just stack physical dmg and cleave
round pendant
🤷♂️
slender bison
APL?
lusty grotto
to figure out what to press
it seems like too much of a complicated process instead of just pressing buttons that do damage
makes me think its to design combat bots or something
round pendant
well it's not really any different to the prio list on wowhead
just more conditionals that's actually borderline impossible to consciously keep track of when actually playing
lusty grotto
yeah but there's a lot thats not explained in it
like i mentioned free revenges and goes "oh hes not factoring it in aoe", well of course he doesnt
the nuance is lost
round pendant
watching Sense +12 priory
first pull
doesn't even pop shield wall and takes 0 damage the entire time
wtf am I doing wrong
lusty grotto
face the sharpshooters
or else you wont block them
thats probably the biggest problem ive had where my hp goes dowwn
but i figured it out early on
round pendant
yeah I'll check my block on those
lusty grotto
whenever a sharpshooter is knocked for some fuckign reason instead of moving to melee as ranged to bait them
my health spikes
lusty grotto
and i assumed its due to that
round pendant
Though it's only like 25% of the overall damage I took in that pull
I did pull an extra pack compared to Sense though
but in a +10 not a 12
lusty grotto
well the other thing is
round pendant
the key was comfy though idk why I'm really questioning it
lusty grotto
if youre pulling knights wrong, and they are syncing you will chunk as will your group
lusty grotto
nah i pull
the bottom one
not upper left
i just wait until top pack shouts
and then leap and get the other one, guaranteed they wont be synced
round pendant
I guess that's good
chilly brook
This feels so bad to be (on average) 700k behind my warrior
round pendant
would this be good
chilly brook
granted I have dogwater trinkets
round pendant
giga pull on suleyman
chilly brook
would this be good
double knight is cursed
lusty grotto
the more you pull on suley the more efficient it is
round pendant
I feel like that pack left of suley might just destroy pugs
chilly brook
lusty grotto
you can basically guarantee non sync'ing for double knights though
chilly brook
3 isn't really a separate pull
lusty grotto
but as higher keys go, the more potential for death, so i aget Griff's
slender bison
Yeah, I don't think these pulls work in 12s guys. Unless you're premade
Kinda deadly
lusty grotto
they work
chilly brook
Yeah, I don't think these pulls work in 12s guys. Unless you're premade
brother I did it in a 13 pug on my 648 monk
round pendant
this is what I'd been doing and it's pretty comfy
slender bison
Damn, wish I had your PUGs then
round pendant
but means I have to grab an extra pack in last room
but ig I can try the double knights
round pendant
g31 is evil
You think pulling those with the miniboss is RIP in higher keys?
it's been fine in 10s
chilly brook
fuck lynxes
lynxes are fine
lusty grotto
you dont wanna do multiple bleeds
chilly brook
Squish has been pulling them in 16s
lusty grotto
they are if they are alone
chilly brook
I wouldn't chain it into boss though
lusty grotto
not with, say, shaynemail
slender bison
it's been fine in 10s
You lose the affix buffs and 2 shooters insta kill a clothie
round pendant
Only thing I've noticed is ranged guys getting double leapt and deadge
chilly brook
I'd just do the 2 shooters + 3 lynx by themselves and then go boss
lusty grotto
right
slender bison
Cats are easy, they're like the Mista of Tyrna trash doggos at 1st area
round pendant
let me show you a screenshot from a key I did griff
chilly brook
oof
round pendant
but yeah the casters sometimes just insta nuked a random person
slender bison
Disrupting Shout
round pendant
looked at the kicks, saw "4"
the lynxes I feel aren't too bad if the ranged guys know to just swap positions with someone else after they get leapt
chilly brook
Disrupting Shout
Tbf not everyone runs it, I do in anything above a 12 on my warrior but for example if I did those on my monk it would be kinda poopy
round pendant
since it seems they always leap on the furthest?
chilly brook
the lynxes I feel aren't too bad if the ranged guys know to just swap positions ...
Like I said, Squish pulls them in giga high keys /shrug
it's just that one pack
lusty grotto
yeah at giga high keys they have dwarves and meld
round pendant
chilly brook
Priory good dungeon, just not great tuning
slender bison
What 1h enchant to use? Crit one?
chilly brook
It'll be interesting to see if people will start going right after homeboy has gotten nerfed so much
round pendant
Also does anyone know what this is in Sense's UI? some kinda CC rotation WA?
lusty grotto
just remember, you can LoS lightspawns
lusty grotto
Also does anyone know what this is in Sense's UI? some kinda CC rotation WA?
yes 1 sec
round pendant
Would be nice to be able to tell my friends who's using their CCs and when since they lack the foresight to kick the fuckin defenders
round pendant
I love it on Floodgate when I stop the spin ups and then it happens again and people just get shredded for 5 seconds
chilly brook
defend isn't a kick tho just a CC ability no?
round pendant
sick thanks
lusty grotto
fucking annoying like Elitist Helper or w/e the fuck its called
round pendant
yeah I'll use it to tell friends when to kick
I love how it feels like I'm playing 3 characters at once when I'm playing with my premade
lusty grotto
that doesnt show kicks
round pendant
lusty grotto
only cc
lusty grotto
oh
chilly brook
worst change tbh
R E A L
slender bison
You guys know the ToP clunk-clunk 1st miniboss? Noticed he overlaps aoe with earthquakes after this reset
chilly brook
wut
final hound
I was doing rixxia fluxflame (3rd boss ML) and she was kinda fucking me up with just autos, am I missing something with like not being in melee range or something
tried reading dungeon journal/wowhead didn't really see anything
lusty grotto
she does 0 melee
round pendant
I was doing rixxia fluxflame (3rd boss ML) and she was kinda fucking me up with ...
spell block and spell reflect and ignore pain spam
she hurts
final hound
I don't run ML very much, was wondering if it was the magic dmg from her cast
guess that confirms it though
lusty grotto
her attacks are all spell damage
period
but she only attacks you for so long
so cd management isnt really difficult
until higher keys
round pendant
time to redesign my WA package yet again
final hound
do I even bother with keeping shield block for her fight then? just dump everything into IP?
round pendant
you only need shield block up if you've got spell block active
round pendant
yeah it's more dam
but if you just want to not die and get past the fight if you're struggling that bad
I'd just send that rage on ip lol
round pendant
not on that boss it ain't
final hound
you only need shield block up if you've got spell block active
wait spell block only works when shield block is active? first season tanking m+ I wasn't aware of the nuances
lusty grotto
her attack intervals are not frequent
lusty grotto
wait spell block only works when shield block is active? first season tanking m+...
correct
final hound
I guess that makes sense now that I read the spell, I thought I just got free blocks for spells when I use it
slender bison
Is the pinned spell block list updated for TWW S2?
final hound
ok well I learned some stuff thanks guys : )
round pendant
holy
a newer tank who didn't immediately question everything we said and start pointless arguments
the world is healing
round pendant
her attack intervals are not frequent
idk I feel like she hurts like a fuckin truck if you ain't spending a lot on IP
that's after you've used your SWs and stuff ofc
but ig she should be mostly dead by then
slender bison
With good DPS in 12 you have 2.5 auto attack phases, so IP spam is needed but healer needs to pump you up too
Depends if you pull the Warmachine too
lusty grotto
2 walls, 1 mini wall, and spell block
not to mention SR on every attack phase, punish, and demo if needed
there's more than enough cds for it
final hound
ok I will let my group know it's their fault if we wipe on her again (I play in premade)
vital vale
how is this stat distribution? (0 stacks ITF)
should i get more vers?
vital vale
18k
jagged gust
Our sims are thirsty for mastery/crit
vital vale
im about to push into 13s soon and im worried my vers is too low for priory/cinderbrew
lusty grotto
wat
jagged gust
stats are w/e
round cliff
the humble shield wall:
lusty grotto
thjis is a bait right?
jagged gust
believe in yourself, and the heart of the cards
vital vale
just cus bigger pulls are gonna be crucial and they can be hard enough to survive against even in 10/11
its especially priory that is the difficult one
i see all sorts of other tanks do crazy pulls at the start and im kinda afraid to try them
lusty grotto
on 1 3?
vital vale
yeah 13/14
lusty grotto
you will die on a 13 because of your gameplay not your versa
vital vale
pull a knight with the miniboss at the start of PSF
jagged gust
sounds like an issue of inexperience if you're having a hard time with opening pulls
lusty grotto
why would you even fucking pull a knight WITH the mini boss in a 13/14
round cliff
tbf i need to learn how to do big opening pulls
lusty grotto
LOL
jagged gust
tbf i need to learn how to do big opening pulls
remember the 3 Ps: Pull, position, pray
round cliff
remember the 3 Ps: Pull, position, pray
my problem is that i blow both charges of shield wall instantly because im scared of backshots while grouping 3 packs together
vital vale
why would you even fucking pull a knight WITH the mini boss in a 13/14
i see this first pull being done a lot
round cliff
and im not yet pumping rage into IP
vital vale
on 14s too
lusty grotto
thats death
vital vale
nah it works on pugs apparently want a video?
jagged gust
you gotta hope your group is like, on their toes
lusty grotto
it wont kill you
round cliff
pugs cant handle that pull without the miniboss
lusty grotto
it willl kill your group
we were just discussing priory routes earlier, griff linked his
and he most certainly has 14s timed
vital vale
here it is on 14 pug at 2:43:38
https://www.youtube.com/live/T1OkJRg9uUM?si=BUoSyRVaLEcuyFDJ&t=9818
vital vale
i like this guy a lot
lusty grotto
lmao ok this is truly bait
vital vale
this is his regular route there and it works 90% of the time quite cleanly
sometimes 1 death
vital vale
ok dude
lusty grotto
ok dude
you just started tanking
did you just say that
click here: #protection message
thats a 13 done with a 655 brew
and youre worried about dying lmao
unbelievable
round cliff
nimchip is mad pt3.14
vital vale
i seem to have broken this guy
round cliff
it keeps me going
lusty grotto
im not talking about you
round cliff
aw
lusty grotto
im talking about the guy that linked OneAzerothTV out of all things lmaoooo
round cliff
idk who he is tbf i assume all wow content creators except critcake are bad
i know critcake is good and i know meg is a good mw monk and THATS IT
vital vale
no offence nim bro but youre blocked. i dont appreciate what and how you converse with me and this is the second of two conversations ive had with you and both were like this
lusty grotto
i win 🙂
vital vale
you gotta chill
lusty grotto
imagine linking oneazerothtv
vital vale
nah thanks im not in the market for more social media arguments
ionic fern
jagged gust
my problem is that i blow both charges of shield wall instantly because im scare...
charge in with avatar which'll give you SW+enough rage for SB, open with TC+revenge, ravager pull another pack and either throw/leap/charge a third pack at which point you're gonna need to start rage dumping naturally.
lusty grotto
how can you not think the guy is baiting
round pendant
how can i be decent at wow and bad at street fighter
sf6 sucks
jagged gust
Don't need to move from your initial position, just gotta make sure of the position of your party if you plan on funneling a pack through your aoe that you don't have aggro on yet
surreal thunder
what talent do i swap out to take disrupting shout?
round cliff
charge in with avatar which'll give you SW+enough rage for SB, open with TC+reve...
i never thought to use ravager to pull
🤔
lusty grotto
what talent do i swap out to take disrupting shout?
SoF
jagged gust
ravager is fantastic for either range pulling, or funneling adds through to establish aggro
lusty grotto
i aint falling for that one fruiter
round cliff
ravager is fantastic for either range pulling, or funneling adds through to esta...
can ravager keep up w/ the pack moving tho
round pendant
Holy shit that OneAzeroth route is almost identical to the route my friend pulled, I need to make sure he's not watching that shit lmao
round cliff
i aint falling for that one fruiter
in my defense nome drops battering ram for fuckin indom in the wowhead build
lusty grotto
so do i
round cliff
smh smh smh
lusty grotto
but you cant trade ravager for disrupting, its on a different line
round pendant
god OneAzeroth's UI is so bad
round cliff
u can drop lower lines for higher lines ..
lusty grotto
sure, if you wanna int
jagged gust
you might lose out on a tick or two but it boogies along quick enough, but it's a relatively small loss compared to the overall of ravager, meanwhile ravager itself is a very small portion of your overall in aoe. Treat it like utility that you want to use on CD mhm
round cliff
you might lose out on a tick or two but it boogies along quick enough, but it's ...
ok ok
i will do gooder
round pendant
i like this guy a lot
He's really really really bad at the game
Don't watch that guy
vital vale
im good
lusty grotto
lmaooo
waxen quarry
lusty grotto
should i revive the hall of shame?
round pendant
how tf do these people even get into 13s and 14s?
lusty grotto
its not hard to do tbh
round cliff
tanks in demand
round pendant
I never push higher than what's required for rewards
I'm trying to make my WA pack use bars for certain CDs
but then idk how to show less important cds
jagged gust
smaller bars?
round pendant
I need inspiration
lusty grotto
icons
round pendant
this sounded good in my head but looks bad
also need to stop using those shield block charge trackers
but I don't really want an icon for it
round pendant
ye it's placeholder textures/colours
lusty grotto
seems fine tbh
warm plinth
Ok pls explain. How is looking at a wa pack different from looking at action bars with a few WAs
jagged gust
My issue is, will the bars change position based on whether or not they're active? Because I like consistency
round pendant
Ok pls explain. How is looking at a wa pack different from looking at action ba...
generally people put their action bars at the bottom of the screen
the least useful place to look
sure you can move them up but you lose the flexibility of moving icons wherever you want (since they're locked to the keybind you want them on)
so WAs are just superior
round cliff
also action bars dont let u do any number of useful things
like overlapping duration w/ cooldown
lusty grotto
Ok pls explain. How is looking at a wa pack different from looking at action ba...
its not, both are fine
ive seen decent UIs with action bars
warm plinth
Idk. WAs are great but I think they're grossly overrated and wa packs are trash almost universally.
My hot take of the evening
round pendant
Most packs are trash yeah
I hide everything I don't actively need to know if it's up/when it's coming up
lusty grotto
there's a lot of people that design around action bars, and it looks good and serves the same purpose
sharp gale
this sounded good in my head but looks bad
Maybe bc they look like big wigs or dbm timers so your brain is associating to it, change texture or whatever it is (im lazy on WA work)
round pendant
I think action bars biggest weakness is that you can't group icons into logical groups as easily
unless you want your keybinds to be all over the place and weird
which ig works
lusty grotto
yeah thats also true
round pendant
like all my utility is hidden but when it's on CD it shows up with a timer and disappears when it's off CD
not visible = I can use it
but those utility buttons are on all sorts of different key combos
I just can't think how I wanna track sb charges
sharp gale
I can’t see anything else other than icon sorry
round pendant
Maybe bc they look like big wigs or dbm timers so your brain is associating to i...
yeah the flat texture is scuffed but I'll change it up
the 2 yellow bars are my sb charges
I might just put 2 little circles in my rage bar or something
sharp gale
But my brain is against bars / im opposite of what you are trying to do
I delete every bars of raid WAs
slender bison
Cinderbrew timer is tighter than I thought. Blasted a 12 with 1 min left and 4 deaths, even with beefy pulls at IPA room
round pendant
yeah I'm just trying something different
sharp gale
You can have different color for specific charges left but it might become too christmas tree
lusty grotto
i like bars
rage bar = good
but i also like Nome's WA too much
outburst bar, rage bar, thats it
sharp gale
Yeah I have just rage and shield block as bars(but not as timer bars like what he did which really looks like raid timers I ignore 100% of the time)
More than 2-3 bars and it’s too much for me
I wish I knew how to do circles WAs, I would for shield block maybe with a number somewhere
round pendant
circles 🤢
sharp gale
Yeah they are beurk bc they take so much space
But a smol one (icon size) I never tried
ionic nimbus
Cinderbrew timer is tighter than I thought. Blasted a 12 with 1 min left and 4 d...
It’s all about the dps. Taking an unholy is a big W in Brew
lusty grotto
lock portal
round cliff
Idk. WAs are great but I think they're grossly overrated and wa packs are trash...
nobody can convince me that luxthos WAs are bad
out of the box maybe but ur given the tools to customize
lusty grotto
or pull to the left and die, group gets by and you get rezzed
prisma echo
thx @lusty grotto
lusty grotto
soothe might also work
but it has to be soothe + invis
soothe for the big guy, invis for the others
warm plinth
nobody can convince me that luxthos WAs are bad
out of the box maybe but ur give...
Afenar's are definitely better in terms of customization. Everything is nice and neat and segregated for customization
round cliff
i dont like the vibe of afenars
they simply dont feel right™️
cant explain it
ive used both
warm plinth
They don't have to. The one toon I use them on, I was able to just plug and play everything where I wanted it
round pendant
Planning on removing the bottom row but I kinda need to keep Shield Wall visible
but I don't want to go any wider
what do 
round cliff
u cant just post this while we're talking abt things being organized...
i cry every time
round pendant
it is organised
rotational, big dam attack CDs, offensive buff CDs
stuns, utility shit, defensive CDs
and then aoe taunt for some reason
warm plinth
I use action bars mostly; the only toon I've used like, a bunch of WAs on is rogue and that's because I have a lot of things that need special tracking like combo points, rolls, etc.
round cliff
and then aoe taunt for some reason
aoe taunt being next to shield wall is whats upsetting me
round pendant
but I've realised now I don't need to actually see those things being up on the bottom row
warm plinth
round pendant
I can just hide them when they're up and show the CD when they're down elsewhere
warm plinth
This is my UI
round cliff
the empty blocks would drive me nutty
i like my defensives being all clustered on the left, my interrupts being all clustered on the right, my rotation in the middle and my cds up top
its healthy it soothes my soul
round cliff
SD procs
warm plinth
I need everything
round pendant
I just have sd pop up as an icon
round cliff
yea so do i
warm plinth
I don't use it necessarily, but I need it
round cliff
and thats where it pops up
round pendant
yeah but why is it visible always
warm plinth
I can't do the hide this until this shit
warm plinth
Yep
round pendant
whatever tickles your neurons ig
warm plinth
I may never look at it
round cliff
and an icon shows up somewhere
warm plinth
But I need it
round cliff
im not seeing it
ionic nimbus
I just can recommend naowhs and atrocitys ui packages(both were pretty similar in the past. I am using naowh ui since beginning of SL and I am totally happy with it!
round cliff
im in the luxthos ecosystem now
i cant switch even if i wanted to
which i dont, but
slender bison
Guys what's your pull in ML12+ between 1st boss and 2nd boss? Don't care about keystone guru, those are not pug friendly
lusty grotto
I just can recommend naowhs and atrocitys ui packages(both were pretty similar i...
i used atrocity for the longest time and swaped to naowh late SL
havent really looked elsewhere
the only different thing i have is luxthos for pally
and nome's for prot war
round pendant
like I can't think of a valid reason why I have to see anything on this row
am I insane?
round cliff
ur shockwave cooldown???
lusty grotto
ive used a couple of different ones for arms/fury, but im using naowh straight now
round pendant
Yeah but my point is it doesn't have to be VISIBLE when it's up
round cliff
ur storm bolt cooldown? ur spell reflect/block cooldown?
lusty grotto
brage, last stand, probably not
lusty grotto
the rest yes
ionic nimbus
Brage is pretty useless this season
round pendant
but otherwise won't show at all
round cliff
the only different thing i have is luxthos for pally
idk how u can handle having different WA packs for different classes
breaks my brain
i need consistency
round pendant
if it's not visible = it's up
if it's visible = it's on CD and I'll know when it's up
I'm not insane right?
round cliff
if it's not visible = it's up
if it's visible = it's on CD and I'll know when it...
if its not visible = it doesnt exist
lusty grotto
idk how u can handle having different WA packs for different classes
theyre just icons
round cliff
i Will forget to use it if i dont see it
round pendant
lol
Yeah I don't have that issue
half the time I use most of my utility stuff I don't even look at the icon for it
I just have a kinda vibe that it's up
round cliff
theyre just icons
the icons have to be in the same spots....
round pendant
I'm gonna just try my luck with this
lusty grotto
ok well i dont have that problem
round pendant
god I wish this server allowed custom emotes from other servers
lusty grotto
theres more than 1 "nim"
ionic nimbus
Nomechip is missing
round cliff
thats way too many
ionic nimbus
We are legion
round cliff
why is it GREEN
lusty grotto
green means go
round pendant
idk ask nome
it glows Green when Earthen Tenacity is active
whatever the fuck that is
never seen it
round pendant
I mean we prob did when I imported the wa and stole the icon
I'll remove that conditional if it makes you happy
there you go bud
sharp gale
Wtf is earthen tenacity
round cliff
Wtf is earthen tenacity
old set bonus i think
when last stand ends, shield slam does frontal cone
sharp gale
Yeah I found it
round cliff
paladin..
ionic nimbus
2nd Tier DF
round pendant
🤔
oh I gotta remove the timer on avatar
and make the font not extend past the borders on the bars
round pendant
nome approved
sharp gale
yeah it is good shit
round pendant
rn I'm struggling to make things centered on my screen lmao
which I realised is impossible with a 1 spacing on the icons
with an even amount of icons
sharp gale
isn't it an anchor thing to make centered ? (im no wa pro but that's how i modify raid WAs)
long sleet
circlet still bis generally? also is there anything I should avoid crafting? I'm considering cloak/neck
sharp gale
i personnally crafted the neck
long sleet
still have timewarped, so figure may as well
errr, idk if it's circlet or signet. the ring with the 3 wonky gems
pallid quiver
circlet still bis generally? also is there anything I should *avoid* crafting? I...
It gets outdone by well statted heroic and myth track rings
sharp gale
my current gear on my warrior (i have raid wep now but no free crest to 678 somehow / will craft next week something i have no gilded crests left)
pallid quiver
I wouldn't fuss over it until you have two myth track or high ilvl heroic rings, personally
long sleet
i dont wanna go get it if I dont have to lol
sharp gale
it is quick to get tbh
pallid quiver
It's notably better than any rings worse than that and it's also guaranteed, but it isn't technically bis
jagged gust
Circe ring is a champ ilvl ring with the stats of a hero ilvl ring, that's about it
sage obsidian
just getting back into wow for this season can anyone share a website for keystone routes?
round cliff
keystone.guru
sage obsidian
ty ❤️
long sleet
oh, you just get the ring on an alt now. I didn't know that
thin marten
are there more than one that silences
strong forum
i think silence sigil is 6-8 seconds
thin marten
I thought it was 4seconds
strong forum
depends on talents aswell
thin marten
and then someone told me it's 2 and I said that's bullshit
strong forum
theres a talent that increases duration by 2sec flat
strong forum
3sec base + 2 sec from chains of anger
strong forum
says this on talent tree
maybe they get +1sec to sigils while leveling or smth
or class tree
strong forum
add evoker buff to that and it can be 10sec or smth like that!
round thicket
For example, how do you manage the first pull of this key to keep aggro and pack, seems just to be a nightmare as prot warrior for beginner. : https://keystone.guru/route/priory-of-the-sacred-flame/QQ68l5u/qazs-ezpz-priory-of-the-sacred-flame/1
thin marten
ranged stay melee, put ravager on floor
thin marten
you should be there way before anyone else is
pallid quiver
Almost everything in that pull is just a pure melee, no casters to watch for
thin marten
I thunderclap the first pack which might not be ideal (because it slows them)
thunderclap, heroic leap, start grouping the 3 packs
pallid quiver
also that many sharpshooters feels like your group is gonna have a bad time in a pug
I understand this route's reasoning behind pulling all those since your average pug melee will just face pull everything around fountain 50% of the time
thin marten
dps players don't discover personals until 14s this season
pallid quiver
but sharpshooters make the hurter
thin marten
are unholy dks as unkillable as fdks were last season
thin marten
I mean do they have the same defensives
I just don't remember playing with many uhdks early because everyone fotm'd to fdk super fast
I forgot defensives are just homogenized across classes now nvm
round thicket
yep i understand the things but even if my mates come in melee, i'll lost agro on range mobs, due for example to a boomie or things like that, the'll improve their aggro on these mobs and as warrior tanks i cant deal them any dmg (during time they dont come at melee)
thin marten
you don't lose aggro on them, they just randomly shoot people
round thicket
oh
pallid quiver
yeah that's why a lotta sharpshooters is oh no time
they'll just kill your DPS, especially if multiple aim at the same person
jagged pier
they do leap on ppl so ppl should stack
thin marten
if your entire party stacks in melee they'll jump in after a few shots
jagged pier
but a good old los will group them
pallid quiver
los is for cowards, jakey
only cowards wopuld run away and hide behind a wall or object
jagged pier
its just about gathering
i get zoomer that werent around in classic dont use it
but its a fucking massively strong tool
also means things like the sharpshooter get cleaved down
as u dont need to wait for them to jump
pallid quiver
i get zoomer that werent around in classic dont use it
maybe this is why everytime i go to los, there's always a dps that runs out there and tries to fight the horde
pallid quiver
I do every time
jagged pier
pallid quiver
but sometimes, timmy the mage just gotta 1v16
pallid quiver
no skin off my back since once they violate him they come to us
pallid quiver
but maybe the zoomer blood just leads some people to yearn for death
jagged pier
amazingly if they were running it, they would get mroe damage out of it if they let the mobs tack first
indigo narwhal
How much is avoidance worth? in terms of ilvl and other stats?
pallid quiver
Absolutely nothing
Any amount of secondaries of any kind is worth more; same for the other tertiaries
It's also generally the worst of the three tertiaries for tanks, since most of the damage it works on aren't problematic for tanks
it's problematic for DPS/Healers
indigo narwhal
aight, ty for answer
granite briar
I thunderclap the first pack which might not be ideal (because it slows them)
I tried not thunderclapping first pack, resto druid yelled at me when she pulled aggro b/c of her passive heal.
thin marten
your healer should be on top of you or slightly past you anyway, you'll be able to tc them again when they reach you
granite briar
I think the hardest time I'm having trying to push higher keys is not understanding when I fuck up and when it's someone elses problem.
Edit: does that just come with time and experience running keys?
granite briar
your healer should be on top of you or slightly past you anyway, you'll be able ...
First pull of priory? I feel like that would require a lot of coordination.
pallid quiver
those first four mobs don't do jack shit so it's kind of on them for trying to heal you like you're dying
granite briar
those first four mobs don't do jack _shit_ so it's kind of on them for trying to...
They told me resto druids have a "passive heal" that will rip threat if i dont thunderclap
thin marten
I think the idea is that by the time they get there because they're slowed by the tc people are all hotted up from other damage
yeah you definitely need to hit them
if you're just running past them it'll be bad
granite briar
Ok
pallid quiver
the only passive heals they have iirc require them to pre-place something on you
thin marten
the optimal way of doing it for grouping is probably to charge and then revenge and then heroic leap
pallid quiver
They have an earth shield like buff or something iirc
thin marten
instead of tc
granite briar
B/c then they dont get slowed?
thin marten
yeah
and they'll be grouped up faster
so the assa rogues won't be sad because they can't leave stealth without them reaching the pack
granite briar
Ok, so everyone just needs to stay stacked with me that first pull, correct? I think I'm missing where the los is.
neon elk
i just ping the los spot
Damn man where do u find those people that follow pings ? Xd
pallid quiver
Most people actually do follow pings
it's one of the few things that actually activate the half a neuron your average pug has
ionic fern
Ok, so everyone just needs to stay stacked with me that first pull, correct? I t...
In an ideal world. What will more than likely happen is that everyone will just run with you. So you TC the first 4, charge the next packs-leap if needed.
pallid quiver
but sometimes, just sometimes, you run into a REAL G A M E R
ionic fern
If you manage to put the Los marker down and they actually follow it,you're golden.
Druid "passive heal" is more than likely
But there's no way this rips aggro .
Unless you just walk by the first 4 mobs.
ionic fern
Jeah.
pallid quiver
me smort
ionic fern
I don't think I've ever gotten aggro from the first 4 mobs on my druid even if I hot the tank up.
thin marten
yeah there's 0% chance of losing aggro if you touch them
pallid quiver
my druid healer friend hasn't either even if I don't hit the first 4 mobs
thin marten
it's more so if you can get away with not tc'ing them so they don't get slowed
neon elk
I still remember how i tried to do first los pull in cleft, told them to wait at begining, spam pinged before key opens where i gona gather, people still followed me and died xd
untold minnow
wich boss in raid you can dont shield block
thin marten
wich boss in raid you can dont shield block
ionic fern
wich boss in raid you can dont shield block
Check the pins,there's a sheet there.
blazing zinc
Hello, just making sure - as a Prot Warrior I don't need to use Slam, Whirlwind or Rend abilities for anything right?
ionic fern
Correct.
granite briar
Ok, i'm trying to find the los for the first priory pull for the sharpshooters but I'm jot seeing it, would someone mind helping me? I apologize.
Also, i'm not getting invited to 10s when I apply. I'm 2200 io and 659ilvl, are veng just that sought after?
ionic fern
Damn,calling me out.
jagged pier
u have a group...
ionic fern
ionic fern
u have a group...
I don't.
jagged pier
ionic fern
jagged pier
mwahi helaer arc
ionic fern
Jeah.
jagged pier
ionic fern
More challenging than tanking keys.
round pendant
Also, i'm not getting invited to 10s when I apply. I'm 2200 io and 659ilvl, are ...
2200 for 10s? all 10s gets you like 2600
granite briar
2.2k is fairly low score
Ah ok thanks, I'll try and get it up.
granite briar
my man do some 9s
Will do, I just want that myth gear man
Having a hard time justifying using gilded crests on hero gear
But i'll get those up, ty for the help all.
round pendant
Having a hard time justifying using gilded crests on hero gear
I mean the first 2 levels of myth and last 2 of hero overlap
you only lose 15 gilded from upgrading hero to 6/6 and then getting a myth drop in that slot
granite briar
I've just suffered from capping on runed crests and didn't want it to happen w/ gilded, but I just gotta bite the bullet.
round pendant
just spend em wisely
got sparks? maybe consider crafted gear first
otherwise just send it imo
granite briar
Sword and board are each 675
3rd piece is the runed one from undermine, maybe i'll focus on getting that recrafted 675
thorn patio
Can warrior skip Bubbles as night elf just heroic leaping and shadowmelding?
unborn island
those first four mobs don't do jack _shit_ so it's kind of on them for trying to...
This is so true, I couldn't get a group for a 13 priory on reset night, so I went in to do some testing/gathering practice. You can trivially solo that pack (it takes forever, but it is doable). I wonder how much of the first pull you could do with no healer? I imagine you'd struggle with the knights.
slender bison
A solid way to skip bubbles is with waterwalk to the left and pull sleeping big guy. But bubbles is easy
final linden
For example, how do you manage the first pull of this key to keep aggro and pack...
that just looked manic for me a new tank also! i just do that pack smaller everytime! and a dps body pull more packs for me anyways
sharp gale
I've just suffered from capping on runed crests and didn't want it to happen w/ ...
Basically if you only get myth track by vaults (if you just m+), you can free spend every gilded crests except 75 (for the next vault), because you will never be able to spend them on myth track
You need 75 for vault myth track and +60 when craft week (if you want to craft on cd)
jagged pier
u can pull them back to the top of the stairs right at the start
prisma echo
I did that it help a lot but i also get good comment that it only solve problem with archers which are not big problem if everybody stack, knights are problem and overlap shouts. Its "safer" but you also lose some time before you group them
but biggest death issue are not archers
on other hand on my key range level stacking on first pull is super complex and hard tactic for pug dps in my group 😄
round thicket
You overrating pug in 10 guys, our issue for packing mobs it's with rets or boomie not waiting, i know u'll tell me it's their fault, but i dont care, dont want to be lost on the area even if it's not my fault 😦
final linden
If you was to macro signet into an ability which one would you use
pallid quiver
There's none that will line up with Signet's CD
Avatar might just happen to line up sometimes, if playing Thane Demo might sometimes happen to line up, but none will ever consistently line up
that's also part of why signet isn't so great for prot war since it doesn't line up with our big CDs all the time
sharp gale
I imagine that's only worth if you do the giga pull
I do either 2 knights/ 1 fountain pack, or 1 knight 2 fountain packs, idk which is better
I don’t like 2 knights so I mostly do the later
latent dome
I do 1 knight and 2 fountain packs as well, my premade healer also likes me for that cause 2 knights hit way harder because of debuff
Then just chain the next knight pack when the first knight is dead
ionic nimbus
Everything except of 2 fountain packs, they are pulled with shield slap guy
idle copper
Is there a macro to interect with the balls in motherload ratherthan trying to mouse click them?
oak ivy
It does
oak ivy
Is there a macro to interect with the balls in motherload ratherthan trying to m...
There's a keybind baked into the game, i believe you have to enable it as well but the default bind is F
lofty warren
Failed 2 priory 12 keys today all on boss 1. First run the boss jumped away and then a few seconds later 1 shot 2 ppl. How to avoid this?
On the 2nd run some spear hit me to 10million with defensives up
unborn island
The spear occasionally doesn't go where the line actually is
But if you stand in the line it basically will 1shot you
The jump away is savage mauling, I don't think that's a one-shot? Or maybe it was the shout not being interrupted, I admit I have never not kicked it, so I don't know what it actually does
lofty warren
We kicked that one
pallid quiver
savage mauling does massive damage over time until the shield on him breaks
it's a small shield
lofty warren
I think spear has been fcking us
round pendant
zdps 😔
hardy snow
you should check in death logs what killed them, but 99.99% its just skill issue
lofty warren
Maybe I'm blind but I didn't see the spear line
unborn island
Yeah, I guess it's easy to tunnel on what defensives you need to have up for the next double buster
But the spear line does occasionally hit things not in it
Tbh, I have taken to just running BSV as it means it's not an instant death if it hits me when I'm not standing in it 🙂
It's also a bonus cd for tanking the busters in an emergency
lofty warren
Is it like a line on the ground and does he have a non interruptable cast to throw spear?
Is it the guy that jumps away or the paladin side boss that spears?
unborn island
It's a big red line
pallid quiver
Is it like a line on the ground and does he have a non interruptable cast to thr...
The main boss throws spear
unborn island
And main boss
pallid quiver
It's a dull red line, but you likely won't notice until you look for it
lofty warren
Weak aura that makes air horn sound or say "spear" when he abiut to 1 shot whoever not paying attention?
unborn island
DBM does it for me
I think
Think it says 'watch' or something
But think you could tweak the settings to do that
lofty warren
I'll have yo look at bug wigs settings
sharp gale
Everything except of 2 fountain packs, they are pulled with shield slap guy
I have kinda horrible route for priory tbh, I do 1 knight-2 fountain (Los at the entrance), 1 knight 1 foutain + 3 footmens at the bottom as second pull, then I do sulleyvan as chain pull with the 3 packs of casters in front of the fountain, and I do shaynemail at my 4th pull top floor
unborn island
I've got 2 different approaches - double knight 4 packs with lust, then suleyman with both fountains and shaylemane with 1 caster pack and 3 footmen.
Oooor, first + 1 knight + 1 fountain with suleyman, then 7 footmen (top of stairs+ other side)+ 3 casters with shaylemane
2nd approach is harder but more efficient, first is pretty straightforward
Alternatively, just 3 packs with 1 knight and chain in the other patrol when it pats back
fair beacon
yo, question: I got this tank trinket from priory, and I want to maximize the sword mode over shield mode. Is there a weakaura that shows which mode it is in and give like a warning or smth that it changed so I can change it back plz?
fair beacon
any one of them you suggest is better or any good?
ionic nimbus
I have kinda horrible route for priory tbh, I do 1 knight-2 fountain (Los at the...
I understand why LoS at the entrance is done by a lot of tanks. But I guess it’s time loss.. best is to play this dungeon with an unholy.
jagged pier
Is it?
Cause u loose time to not cleaving the sharpshooters
More time that it takes to line at the start imo
sharp gale
Time loss is maybe 15 sec but yeah if you got dk, no point in Los
You end your pull on a sharpshooter and he grabs 2
ionic nimbus
With slappyhands he will grap all of then very fast
Idk this season DK grips can safe a lot of time
Additionally big pulls are always good to play with unholy
sharp gale
I know, I’m bdk for raid (not anymore since stix is dead lel)
lean wyvern
ionic nimbus
1st pull is everything except of two archer packs, 2nd 2 archer plus shield boy 3rd Miniboss with 2-3 pack around the left stairs and we go up to pull big patrol with small patrol from the stairs
sharp gale
So 2 knights is not a big issue ? I guess it dies before it is an issue with lust etc
(Im vault filling/pushing I started last week, I only have 2 12s now, I started last week doing 11s, idk when things does dmg)
solid sun
My healer gets really frustrated when I do two knights and doesn’t see why we can’t just do two pulls that each have one knight, so that’s what I do
sharp gale
I don’t see any difference between 12s and 10s so far tbh
ionic nimbus
So 2 knights is not a big issue ? I guess it dies before it is an issue with lus...
It’s definitely hard, depends on your dps. They have to use their defensives. But 1st pull everything is up
sharp gale
(I did floodgate, my fav dungeon, and dfc, the easiest, in 12s)
eager phoenix
if you double knight, suleyman after?
ionic nimbus
Thats clowfiesta
Suleyman Thunderclap does enough aoe
Overlap with shout and you can scratch some dps from the floor
Intervene is good for the archerpacks
sharp gale
I think I will keep doing the 1 knight pull and 3rd pull Suley chainpull in pug until timer is an issue
eager phoenix
i ask because, sometimes the expectation is to just loop right side around middle to where suleyman starts. 1 knight pat, 1 of the middle 2 footmen+1 sharpshooter with suleyman. the sharpshooters will jump into the pile if dps stands close
and plant in the cubby near right stairs
solid sun
I line the first pull to the outside now so no suleyman first for me
sharp gale
If you can’t grab sharpshooters you need to Los imo
eager phoenix
i assume the idea to go suley asap is to get him with lust. but then you got 1 knight unavoidably. and the idea to dodge the middle sets of 3 is cus its ass to deal with sharpshooters
sharp gale
They will not die with the pack / people will not be stacked bc pug
ionic nimbus
1st pull priory will be same issue as nw last season. At some point keys will deplete within 37 seconds
eager phoenix
i agree the sharpshooter wont die with the pack, but if you killed suleyman on right stair but wish to go left you need to wait for shaynemals cringe rp run in to the corpse. and there are some footmen at the top of right stairs you can get while waiting. so its not a disaster
sharp gale
So people in pug at some point will stop do the full gatekeeper pull and not pull the 5 dudes in the middle
(The second knight being the 5 dudes in this comparison)
solid sun
Can also just fight Shayne. Free percent.
eager phoenix
early season during 10-12s i usually just planted where the right knight pat ends up when you run in asap. grabb 1 of the sharpshooter packs middle. send lust, focus knight 1 and funnel in knight 2 pack when it loops back
killing the mini bosses i dont think is the issue, good count but you def want to combine it with something. i just found fighting suleyman at right stairs means you need to wait for shayne to get there and its not as elegant to combine count on right side when the plan is to head left. your either waiting for shayne to run in before dragging him across toward left to combo, or you head over to left side, pull pull shitter mobs and get shayne once a lil later
solid sun
I kill suleyman left side and fight Shayne with stuff on left stairs
eager phoenix
thats what i was doing basically, kill knight pats with lust for 1st pull and for 2nd pull combo suley with whatever is convenient. but im just saying at some point the pugs expected me to instead head right so suley can be lusted
ionic nimbus
Yeah the clue is to pull as much % into the minibosses
solid sun
I don’t think I’d pull suley and a knight together
ionic nimbus
The have so much life that they coasts a lot of time
eager phoenix
yeah its spicey but figure with lust and cds its acceptable
w/o lust you cant do that for sure its ass
sharp gale
And low reward since you are not pressed by timer yet in 12s
slender bison
Can you skip DFC miniboss before Candle boss without warlock?
sharp gale
Can you skip DFC miniboss before Candle boss without warlock?
Idk why you asked this, then I see the answer in my fyp
slender bison
Wth
Terrible editing, but got the general idea
Some pug guy asked me
So I'll get % from fire-mobs and serpents before last boss
harsh trellis
is the skip for super high keys?
Also where do you make up the count?
or is the count just the right side packs leading up to Boss 1
final linden
Quite a few routes for it on guru
slender bison
Clear all the room with fire mobs before Blazikon
And kill extra snakes before darkness boss
It's faster, the 2 miniboss mobs take a lot of time
harsh trellis
just says about 2 mins saved
slender bison
In 13+ keys it's huge, I need it
harsh trellis
I think youre gonna spend 2 mins pulling right side and all of the room before fire boss
slender bison
Nah, I'm a warr, two charges and a heroic throw
Worth it, gonna try in a 13 after work
dusky canopy
@lusty grotto TOME!?
unborn island
You don't need it on a 13, or a 14 I reckon, but anything higher it's a massive time save. You can do all the stuff you need in the room before 2nd boss in 2 pulls regardless (1 if you're in a coordinated group and use LoS for the candles)