question, whats the logic behind thane picking spear and colossus picking roar? youd think spear would tailor more for colossus due to the burstier damage profile? what am i missing
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vital vale
small steeple
How do sims work with execute anyway? Like does the target have a hp value?
jagged pier
question, whats the logic behind thane picking spear and colossus picking roar? ...
sim
damage most likel
i know nome runs spear with colossus for massive burst
or has
small steeple
its 100-0 over the time of the sim
But when? Does it calculate it based on the damage of the sim'd profile or is it a timer thing?
vital vale
i know nome runs spear with colossus for massive burst
i dont find the use of spear in general in dungeons for either hero spec
jagged pier
then dont play it
vital vale
yeah i dont but thane guides say spear works better and im just curious why? just due to damage sims?
jagged pier
But when? Does it calculate it based on the damage of the sim'd profile or is it...
i dont write the sim i dont know, if u care so much talk to the ppl that do
sharp gale
Yeah don’t play it if you don’t find useful
vital vale
ah i see
long bronze
ironically
in a 5 min sim
col gets +1 execute than thane, sample size of 1
thane's do more though
or I scuffed my talents somewhere
vital vale
wait colossus doesnt buff bleeds either unless you take arterial bleed
long bronze
col
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c5yeoK5xGTQfKJ3Mg8dyre
thane
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/enqHoudahfC6N8v6yXpQH7
urban portal
But when? Does it calculate it based on the damage of the sim'd profile or is it...
It’s just timer
lusty grotto
wait colossus doesnt buff bleeds either unless you take arterial bleed
Thane's profile is more burst like, so spear goes hand in hand with it
The only reason we play troar at all as Col is because we need snap agro and gathering tools
Which is why it's better to play spear as Colossus on small/controlled pull dungeons like ToP or workshop
vital vale
alright that makes sense
lusty grotto
Spear is just more damage for both hero trees
Also Thane doesn't need roar to gather/snap agro etc
Since TB is enough (until it isn't)
small steeple
It’s just timer
So is it like a 100%hp at 0seconds, then 50% halfway through sim duration etc?
urban portal
So is it like a 100%hp at 0seconds, then 50% halfway through sim duration etc?
Yeah exactly
There are ways to modify this but by default that’s true
And that reflects real life
small steeple
Yeah exactly
Thanks!
urban portal
Execute dps from 2-3 players doesn’t really affect the slope of boss hp
small steeple
also in these sims you died???
long bronze
if you've never looked at the detailed simc report they are pretty interesting -
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c5yeoK5xGTQfKJ3Mg8dyre/simc
yeah
lol I noticed that
kinda funny
urban portal
It’s some weird stuff with some sims ending earlier
lusty grotto
That's some legacy shit that hasn't been removed
long bronze
at some point some classes (like us) need to take "damage" for our offensive abilities to be optimal
we're not really healing that back in a sim so we go negative but that doesn't really matter
lusty grotto
SimC has had several years since first implemented, there were/are trackers for everything including eff hp etc
None of that is used, it's just there
Consider it out of scope / deprecated but not fully removed
long bronze
omega gorechop trinket sim profile right ehre
sharp gale
at some point some classes (like us) need to take "damage" for our offensive abi...
There is still the other talent choice of Spell Block to sim 
solid sun
There is still the other talent choice of Spell Block to sim <:clueless:1099922...
Yo I did the four pack to the outside in priory last night
It did such a good job of grouping it all up
waxen frost
Ascension or Depths on our weapon fellas?
crisp skiff
asc prolly? that's what i see on anyone that crafted wep
late hawk
i have a question about spell block mechanically, Focused Detonation is spell blockable in gallywix encounter, but do i need to have spell block up before the dot is applied? or will spell blocking after, make every tick after blockable
late hawk
kk so just spell block before clicking dud
jade pulsar
Is there something weird going on with tome?
I'm running in to situations where it seems like i gain crit after like 1min after manually swapping to defensive setting, then after a relog it stays in double crit (like the 20sec after u manually swap it) but i lose the equivelent stats in haste on login. I'm so confused
peak iron
am i missing something when looking through logs? my raid's prot warrior seems to only be pressing shield block 1-4 times per fight, is there any reason for someone to do that?
peak iron
he's at around 15-40% buff uptime on it depending on the fight
peak iron
heroic
long bronze
Is there something weird going on with tome?
I'm running in to situations where ...
are you using cyrce's?
jade pulsar
are you using cyrce's?
i am
dusky canopy
am i missing something when looking through logs? my raid's prot warrior seems t...
All that matters is he has block active while he is actively tanking the boss/adds
crisp skiff
on easy fights i spam revenge too
dusky canopy
A 100% uptime on shield block in raid might be bad if you are not taking damage for 50% of it
You could have spent the rage on damage instead
peak iron
yeah that makes sense
peak iron
seems to me like he is just dumping a lot of rage into IP instead but im not certain
IP is his most casted ability on most fights
about 2x as many IP as revenges
dusky canopy
Sounds like he feels threatened
jade pulsar
maybe something to do with windsinger's
Ohhhh you're totally right, it flips between haste/crit because i barely outweigh the other when tome swaps setting...
Thanks a lot! I've been scratching my head over this, forgot i swapped from legendary to windsinger some time ago x)
peak iron
also when i look at his melee/physical damage taken WCL says he is only blocking 20-30% of them which i thought would be higher if he were timing shield block for when hes tanking things
topaz latch
wouldnt a raid tank want shield block up for slam damage?
long bronze
if you're going for dam you're not running the 2s shield block
100% uptime is realistically not possible, so you probably want to build them up when you're not actively tanking so you have them for when you are
unless you have giga tier set proc rng
topaz latch
yeah thats reasonable
mighty valley
also when i look at his melee/physical damage taken WCL says he is only blocking...
Share the log, it’s sounding more and more like he just doesn’t really know how to play
peak iron
Share the log, it’s sounding more and more like he just doesn’t really know how ...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qAnHMtZxRbmJTgkF?view=rankings&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=2 like i said i could be missing something
mighty valley
also when i look at his melee/physical damage taken WCL says he is only blocking...
You want to mouse over Hits in the melee row to get a sense of how well they're blocking... 70% isn't good but it's better than 30% haha
mighty valley
oh jesus yeah
crisp skiff
only 2 at onearmed bandit
mighty valley
i think i picked his best fight
crisp skiff
this is where i am gonna be hated suggest him getting hekili:d
mighty valley
yeah this isn't a parselord, they're taking standard block uptime talents and then just not pressing shield block
peak iron
okay yeah that's what i was afraid of, i knew 100% uptime during raid wouldnt be needed while off tanking but wanted to get some other opinions
mighty valley
i don't really see rhyme or reason to it - some fights he seems to be trying to keep up block and not doing a great job
dusky canopy
This player is just not comfortable
mighty valley
and then other fights just forgetting entirely
dusky canopy
More practice will help
It’s only heroic give them a chance to learn from the info you’re gathering for them
peak iron
yeah im definitely not trying to bash anyone or anything he did have to step in a couple weeks ago after we lost our original MT
crisp skiff
getting a good wa pack will help a lot
peak iron
wouldnt say tank survivability has been a problem so far since we are casual and progging heroic
crisp skiff
most just shines on 2 shieldblock charges
dusky canopy
Does the guy use Weakauras?
dusky canopy
He needs a massive shieldblock WeakAura right next to his character until he gets used to keeping it up while being attacked by something haha
Maybe a big green dot when something is targeting him too 
(Not literally)
peak iron
he definitely has weakaura the addon but not sure which WAs he actually operates with other than the standard raid ones
chilly brook
this is where i am gonna be hated suggest him getting hekili:d
Bad
crisp skiff
i suggest that to anyone playing a new spec. install it go dummies play with it get some muscle memory going and turn it off
tbf pwar is definetly not 1 of those specs
there is not much going on
mighty valley
I dunno if being told what button to press would help me build muscle memory, feel like you gotta know the theory behind what you're doing
everyone's brain is different i guess
dusky canopy
I’m the same harrow
I have to understand WHY you press the button at X time
Otherwise I stay confused
crisp skiff
nah i like it on mastery chars
long bronze
cerulean burrow
yeah knowing why i am pressing a button and then why i am pressing it in this specific sequence then in turn allows me to not think about it and in turn respond more reactively to what is happening as opposed to proactively
crisp skiff
if you look at the order of things it's suggesting
it does that too but ye i am gonna have to agree every brain is different
like i am so bad at remembering streets/faces/names
long bronze
isn't it just running the APL
long bronze
which is bad because optimally for dps you send SW for avatar
prot has a decision tree like 2 things deep
if you need hekili to play prot I dunno
I think wow isn't the game for you
retail wow at least
mighty valley
based on this guy's logs he doesn't really need anything more complicated than a sticky note that says "hey remember shield block is good"
long bronze
pwar is 99% just keeping up with the APM
mighty valley
very simple priority system that you just have to execute on very fast
and also we have an unnecessary number of medium CDs
crisp skiff
about execute... on 1 of my 2/8 pugs had this pwarrior pressing only 1 execute in 7 mins
665 and 3.2k rio btw
long bronze
demo shout being on GCD is an outrage to mankind
topaz latch
demo shout being on GCD is an outrage to mankind
i fckin hate it
long bronze
blood has gcd bloat too but VDH/Ppal can cry me a river
it's truly tragic VDH has to interrupt their 12 second long AOE CC chain to press a defensive
low shadow
Is myth shield worth it over heroic gally shield? Gally sims a little higher for dam but how big is the myth jump in survival?
low shadow
Alright cheers!
lusty grotto
https://tenor.com/view/looking-big-eyes-meme-gif-7200239684331082529
Brew can you cleanse the bad juju that's keeping a tome from dropping please 🙏
crisp skiff
gally shield does so little
vocal pewter
If I’m incredibly haste starved how bad would tome bombsuit for for the 1500 secondary? Or would scrap field net more overall haste?
mighty valley
no one tell nim that tome dropped in my first two priory 10s
long bronze
no you go to the bank and take out a high interest rate haste loan
dusky canopy
no one tell nim that tome dropped in my first two priory 10s
Poor Nim
Bro next priory you run with me we get it
fading tide
Signet trinket is a decent trinket?
long bronze
decent but not ideal
prisma echo
Prot pala = dont press cd you die
Prot warrior = zug zug dmg zug zug live to dps
floral bronze
quick question, does anyone know the % increase of mob hp/dmg in a +13? can only find values up to +12 on the internet (+122%+fort/tyr)
crisp skiff
yea f prot pala. started the season with it
then started gearing my war and dh alt
both with 30ilvl lower was more tankier
on pala you pop cd's you do big dps cd's over you die
small steeple
quick question, does anyone know the % increase of mob hp/dmg in a +13? can only...
1.07*1.22=1.305
prisma echo
After struggling in s1 hitting 3k with my brew (im just avg dad player its not class) i just go to my pala tank and hit 3k in 2 weeks. Yes it was easier. Yes i hate paladins. Yes i feel dirty
crisp skiff
ye in s1 paladin was good after the lightsmith buff
prisma echo
i just hate playstyle
hate that you are paper without cd i know its whole purpose and gameplay
small steeple
.
crisp skiff
i hate how sotr means nothing
small steeple
1.07*1.22=1.305
let me fix this, typo, (1+1.22)*1.07=2.3754
floral bronze
let me fix this, typo, (1+1.22)*1.07=2.3754
ah ok but i think it should be *1.1 then because from 11 onwards its 10% increase
so (1+1.22)*1.1=2.442
small steeple
ah ok but i think it should be *1.1 then because from 11 onwards its 10% increas...
ah was it? then its 2.442 so 142% increased hp/damage
floral bronze
btw is tyr/fort just additive to the keystone increase? or is it multiplicative
or let me rephrase my question, is the difficulty increase from a +12 to a +13 then 20%? (122->142)
chilly brook
After struggling in s1 hitting 3k with my brew (im just avg dad player its not c...
Is it though? I feel like actually getting the most out of a paladin/being tanky requires so much more out of the player than brew does
floral bronze
Is it though? I feel like actually getting the most out of a paladin/being tanky...
yeah but prot pally did like 2x the dps of brew in ss1
floral bronze
lmao the gap is not that big anymore haha but yeah they still do more
chilly brook
Nah it is that big
prisma echo
Is it though? I feel like actually getting the most out of a paladin/being tanky...
Maybe. For me it was way easier having milion cd for every threat, interupts, bubble aoe save few my Keys and doing top dps was easy as hitting my head on keyboard
floral bronze
brew is bootycheeks in all aspects, low dmg, survivability in high keys is swampy, button bloat, hard to play
floral bronze
Nah it is that big
if u check archon.gg its 1.7M avg overall for pala and 1.6M for brew so idk
the gap was definetly way bigger in ss1
floral bronze
People are bad
that is correct, if you play it right its a solid tank
prisma echo
Its only my experience as again mid player it was way easier to do shiet for me on pala then on brew at that moment. Im sure skilled brews were blasting in dps and survi
but it was just easier to press aoe bubble
and aoe interupt
lusty grotto
If I’m incredibly haste starved how bad would tome bombsuit for for the 1500 sec...
dont, just spec HR
thats it
unless its an accessory with giga haste, i wouldnt swap trinkets to get "more haste"
idk about your selection, but just in general
chilly brook
its a fine stat website for average players,
Key logs are very much subject to so many factors
They’re pretty meh tbh
floral bronze
The only tank specc that i just cant play for the life of me is bdk since tww. in earlier xpacs it was my main but the way they play since tww release is so bad for me idk
chilly brook
The biggest problem with brew rn is just their damage is ass
lusty grotto
i cant play prot paladin, i find it fucking ridiculous standing in consecration is peak fucking boredom for me
floral bronze
Key logs are very much subject to so many factors
am aware but the average player is also affected by those factors, so for an average joe i think archons stats are alright to look at. though youre right one should not read too much into that
solid sun
Why do you not like standing in consecration but you don’t mind standing in dnd
chilly brook
Second biggest problem is stagger as it is while a cool mechanic needs to be looked at and blizzard needs to figure out a way to either balance it for 5 man content or the spec as a whole needs a rework
floral bronze
i played bdk for like 3 seasons, got to 3k every time but then they changed how it played in tww and i just die lol
lusty grotto
stationary gaming no bueno for me
small steeple
or let me rephrase my question, is the difficulty increase from a +12 to a +13 t...
keys grow exponetially.
solid sun
Did paladin not get a similar thing for consecration?
lusty grotto
not that i know of
solid sun
I haven’t played one since SL
chilly brook
i played bdk for like 3 seasons, got to 3k every time but then they changed how ...
It’s basically the same as in DF
The change to death strike did not change anything meaningful
small steeple
Did paladin not get a similar thing for consecration?
they did. They just don't take it
floral bronze
It’s basically the same as in DF
its not, they changed how death strike heals in tww and somehow that messes with my brain
i feel sosososo much squishier as bdk in tww
chilly brook
Then you played blood incorrectly
lusty grotto
i dont feel any different
floral bronze
Then you played blood incorrectly
could very well be tbh lmao
lusty grotto
as bdk
floral bronze
You should have never been death striking back to back
yeah but it was possible somehow and i lived through high keys as well, as bdk now i just die in +10s no clue. can someone post that gif of the dh insta dying after jumping in a pack?
solid sun
Woosh woosh scythes and super heart strike are pretty neat
lusty grotto
yeah but it was possible somehow and i lived through high keys as well, as bdk n...
i got u
theres 2 now
small steeple
you beat me
floral bronze
tyvm, thats exactly how i feel as bdk. probably just playing it wrong tbf
chilly brook
The only thing that realistically changed is I feel like your use of your defensives on blood is more important now
But that’s about it
floral bronze
yeah maybe its a skill issue
solid sun
Iirc before this expansion double death striking wasn’t optimal but I don’t remember it being particularly egregious and a relatively common mistake
floral bronze
however i didnt feel being skill issued by bdk before tww, now i feel like someone new to wow
chilly brook
Iirc before this expansion double death striking wasn’t optimal but I don’t reme...
Even if you go back to DF chat they told you not to
solid sun
Sure they did tell you not to but it was pretty commonly done and it wouldn’t just get you killed or smth
small steeple
Iirc before this expansion double death striking wasn’t optimal but I don’t reme...
Because now it doesn't do anything. They made it so once the damage taken is healed with death strike, it gets consumed, so the 2nd death strike would now be healing with 0 damage taken in the last 5 seconds.
THere were some strats where you ctually wanted to double deathstrike to build up massive blood shields
solid sun
I understand I’m just saying that before this expansion it wasn’t a big deal
chilly brook
Blood has always been a tank in recent expansions where mistakes made 3-5 globals before you die is what actually killed you
hardy snow
why people can't roll ball on stix, its not hard
solid sun
You could hit 3k double death striking and you could mythic raid not even playing the spec right and you’d still live just fine
floral bronze
idk man i just played bdk before tww to 3k every ssn without any major problems, whereas now i feel like the gifs. i am not debating that its a skill issue on my part
solid sun
Yeah but not now!
lusty grotto
mage
lusty grotto
🤝
floral bronze
why magier
mighty valley
they have to press them though
floral bronze
yeah but do they also have the "get insta invites to keys" trait
mighty valley
yeah but do they also have the "get insta invites to keys" trait
they're part of the front page meta comp so they are gucci right now
mighty valley
but yeah there's also a billion bad mages running around
floral bronze
they're part of the front page meta comp so they are gucci right now
based actually
mighty valley
you gotta stand out from the crowd
small steeple
I understand I’m just saying that before this expansion it wasn’t a big deal
Did you see the second part? I even said there was a good use case for double deathstriking
lusty grotto
just name it "wizardtank"
vocal pewter
unless its an accessory with giga haste, i wouldnt swap trinkets to get "more ha...
I have pretty much every trinket at hero/myth track. few pieces could use more haste but didnt know if it was that bad to be at 13k haste that its worth running bombsuit with the large amount of haste
lusty grotto
nah
floral bronze
you need like 28 thousand million trillion haste
and even then you feel like "maybe a bit more ?"
lusty grotto
I have pretty much every trinket at hero/myth track. few pieces could use more h...
honestly just go by sims
mighty valley
the 180% diminishing returns breakpoint hits at 28 thousand million trillion haste
and we're still blasting past it
vocal pewter
honestly just go by sims
fair, thanks ]
floral bronze
and we're still blasting past it
you can always get more
lusty grotto
im at 18k barely
floral bronze
still feel like "maybe just a tiny bit more crit/haste :3"
valid patio
I’m lvling a prot warrior dwarf any tips on how to effectively play this spec
final linden
finally after a week of reading the discord i finally had the courage to try tank mplus and it wasnt to bad! did a 4, 6 then 7 pirory
valid patio
I’m looking at the site right now was just wondering if there was anything else I should know I already have a 650ilvl fury warrior blood elf
floral bronze
finally after a week of reading the discord i finally had the courage to try tan...
gratz dude!! huge
floral bronze
I’m looking at the site right now was just wondering if there was anything else ...
nah just read the article
valid patio
nah just read the article
Okay I will thanks
mighty valley
Okay I will thanks
this summary is a good place to start
valid patio
Thanks
mighty valley
use your CDs, generate as much rage as possible (mostly by hitting shield slam whenever available and always having a button to press every GCD), get used to pressing IP when high on rage to prevent hitting the cap
final linden
gratz dude!! huge
Wasn’t to bad other than gathering agro on last boss and people body pulling
floral bronze
Wasn’t to bad other than gathering agro on last boss and people body pulling
haha yeah the average tank experience, id say
floral bronze
just having an argument with a friend, does shield slam damage scale with shield ilvl, other than the obviously increased stats?
lusty grotto
no
floral bronze
aight ty
lusty grotto
it scales with weapon damage
like everything else
and AP
shield has nothing to do with shield slam despite the name, this isnt classic
floral bronze
perfect then i was correct, friend of mine insisted that shield is VERY important for shield slam
lusty grotto
shield ilvl is important simply because of Block
mighty valley
i had dreams of collecting every block value piece in, like, wrath
floral bronze
i told him that shield ilvl is important for block
floral bronze
shield ilvl is important simply because of Block
yea
lusty grotto
and block is important enough that we instantly go for the highest ilvl shield
without thought
like this guy
floral bronze
yea
torn gulch
i had dreams of collecting every block value piece in, like, wrath
up to 3.2 block value was so broken that it make prot warrior viable in pvp
you would one shot cloth players it was insane
torn gulch
i remember globalling mages and priests in one shot in arenas and bg's
arp prot with 100% arp
pit of saron trinket
goof times
lusty grotto
yea i 'member
warm plinth
No u
burnt lily
should i pick that viscera?
for trinkets i have tome and whistle
im not mythic raider 
neon elk
Do u have mythic tier shoulders ? If yes then pick house of cards
solid sun
Just lick it
neon elk
Yea , i would do that ngl
burnt lily
dont have any mythic tier piece
solid sun
Myth tier shoulders seems like the play to me
neon elk
Well hoc is realy good trinket, but its "farmable" those shoulders u wont ever swap
strong forum
should i pick that viscera?
for trinkets i have tome and whistle
im not mythic r...
House of cards
It's so much easier to get any mythic armor piece
Than house of cards
And house of cards you will never replace
solid sun
What if you secure pacemaker and tome at hero track or myth?
strong forum
There's like 300 specs that want house of cards, but myth shoulders drop from 2nd boss which is easily pug table
strong forum
What if you secure pacemaker and tome at hero track or myth?
Then id place pacemaker + house
lusty grotto
30th priory
strong forum
I'd only play tome in specific keys
lusty grotto
invited to 31st
still no tome
2 people in group that can tank loot spec so
we will see
neon elk
There's like 300 specs that want house of cards, but myth shoulders drop from 2n...
He said he doesnt myth raid , so his only option at mythic shoulders is vault, but yea hoc is sweet
solid sun
I think nome is strategizing attemping to pug a couple mythic bosses
solid sun
2nd boss has shoulders
burnt lily
hands
neon elk
Well u can also spend like 4m and buy mythic shoulders and make them tier but u know..
strong forum
wait cauldron is hands?
strong forum
I think nome is strategizing attemping to pug a couple mythic bosses
i am puggin 3/8 every week
going for 4/8 this week
5/8 next week
jagged gust
sounds like torture
solid sun
But are you using your network of highly skilled gamers
strong forum
yes
jagged gust
bruh, legit pugs get DPS checked by the adds on Rik
on heroic
it ain't easy on these streets
solid sun
Maybe some but my casual friend group has no problem killing rik on heroic and they are gray and green parsers for sure for sure
pallid quiver
yeah that's why i haven't messed with h raid at all yet since I'd be pug life
Of course, not doing H raid means I also won't get accepted into the good pugs
strong forum
Stix pug oof
we got to 50% in like 4 pulls
pallid quiver
So I just simply don't do raid at all is the easy way
solid sun
Do you miss raiding @pallid quiver
strong forum
i quit raiding in that guild in november
lusty grotto
i see
strong forum
now i "raid" with half of them in an alt raid on saturdays
lusty grotto
hardy snow
I wouldnt call that average pugging
pallid quiver
The issue with raid to me is that it takes too many people and that people can botch entire encounters too easily
jagged gust
same ol' story, if you can assign mechanics it's usually fine, if random people have to react to mechanics you're gonna have a bad time
pallid quiver
10 man was the best raid size just logistically; I think higher people numbers is really cool to see, but it sucks to actually do and engage with, since that's like 20 people to all have available at the same time constantly
solid sun
I wish networking was easier. I always encounter people in keys and have a good experience and add them and then my friends list just fills up with people who rarely ever wanna game again
jagged gust
struggling how to convey odd groups stack left, even groups stack right, then they somehow all wind up missing gaols
lusty grotto
10 man was the best raid size just logistically; I think higher people numbers i...
💯
pallid quiver
And for me personally, I just cba to play on a schedule. I start liking the game less if I feel I have to be playing it at 5 PM on Wednesday and Thursday nights
hardy snow
I treat raiding with guild just like scheduled meeting with friends, instead of meeting in a bar, we meet in azeroth
pallid quiver
I don't even like to do that with friends; there's a difference between going, "Hey, let's meet up tomorrow" and "Let's meet up every Friday at X Town"
I hate the latter, the former is fun
That's also one of the major reasons I don't frequent my fight game locals
strong forum
real
bold plume
Is there anyway to look at breakdowns of peoples runs , there overalls and uptimes etc?
lusty grotto
sure, logs
toxic pewter
lusty grotto
31 runs
fuck this farm, im not gonna do it anymore
farming is over, tome is banned
never getting it
strong forum
based
lusty grotto
ah fuck servers are in maintenance for tomorrows update
strong forum
ye
lusty grotto
SP it is
strong forum
should be up in ~3 hrs
lusty grotto
nice nice
ill miss corrupted cloak
but it was just too much
so good change to nerf it
wide charm
anyone else just get randomly kicked off? I can't reconnect now
Even authenticator app isn't loading
small steeple
anyone else just get randomly kicked off? I can't reconnect now
yup, sat down at my pc, then bnet servers wnet down
lusty grotto
seems i ragequit at the right time
before you say something, i dont do that kind of thing
pallid quiver
farming is over, tome is banned
Yell at me if I happen to be on the next time you run; I already have a tome at highest drop ilvl, so I can roll it for you
lusty grotto
i know the pains of dealing with DDoS all too well
round cliff
before you say something, i dont do that kind of thing
prime suspect
lusty grotto
Yell at me if I happen to be on the next time you run; I already have a tome at ...
yeah well the hard part is getting a priory when im saving to push
pallid quiver
I can confirm, Nim will generally just go "fuck it we ball"
pallid quiver
yeah well the hard part is getting a priory when im saving to push
the funniest thing is that my shaman just rolled a priory
granted it's a +4 but
lusty grotto
i gotta be honest im probably not logging into the game until raid time tomorrow
pallid quiver
I was probably going to lay on my bed and die anyhow
lusty grotto
also because Monster hunter update, but mostly out of rage
also because xiv update #2
fuck i have too much shit to do
small steeple
never seen this before
lusty grotto
sharp gale
10 man was the best raid size just logistically; I think higher people numbers i...
idk how 10 man would work out, it seems low to make wow fights like a mech pick 1 healer, half of healer is gone, i would maybe turn around 2/3/9 (14 dudes)
pallid quiver
Heroic back when it was the Mythic equivalent had 10 man for 3 whole ass expacs
sharp gale
you can't take ff14 as example it's only dance fights
lusty grotto
what
ive heard that one before
spoken like someone that hasnt played it
WoW also has dance fights
chilly brook
FFXIV savage is basically mythic tbh
lusty grotto
myth kyveza, myth council
pallid quiver
FF14 is nothing but fights that feel like ass to me to go into blind because I don't find the UI very good about telling you about buffs/debuffs
sharp gale
yes it is mythic but it is still dances mythic
lusty grotto
dance fights do not invalidate asking for 10m
chilly brook
10 man would not be good for wow
without a redesign
Also I think 20 is perfectly reasonable
lusty grotto
WoW already has implemented body checks
for a lot of things
where it makes no sense, with 20m
but sure, fights would have to be more intense
chilly brook
where it makes no sense, with 20m
wdym
I'm talking specifically, wow would need to homogenize classes/specs waaaayyyyy more to actually do 10 man content
lusty grotto
theres actually a way to do that
without touching classes
its been done in the past, and i know you know what im about to say
chilly brook
no?
lusty grotto
scrolls
wide charm
Did it just happen again??
chilly brook
okay and what happens when you need grips
lol
so then just remove basically all class identity
lusty grotto
or maybe just dont design fights for grips and give DKs a proper group buff
chilly brook
I like FF, don't get me wrong but the way they've gone about doing smaller group content I actually don't like
but you could just argue that's an overall combat design problem
chilly brook
every single class is the same just different rotations
lusty grotto
its a different game, with a different implementation
chilly brook
everything has to rigidly fit a 2m window
lusty grotto
this aint about the other game
does all small scale raiding have to be equal to XIV?
why is there no other option
chilly brook
I'd rather, if Blizz wants to have small scale raids, have it be built ground up as a completely separate thing
lusty grotto
the problem with that
is it'll end up like M+
and then people would be forced to do all 3 content types
thats a major con honestly
lusty grotto
anyone that doesnt like x content type
chilly brook
nothing other than cosmetic reward
lusty grotto
raiders that dont like keys
and m+ players that dont like raiding
but that goes against everything we were discussing
chilly brook
I don't like raiders that want to do mythic but also don't want to put the effort into easy keys for good loot but expect to be top pick for items in raid
lusty grotto
#protection message here
chilly brook
I mean you could just not raid
lusty grotto
thats exactly what Luerce is doing
chilly brook
especially this season
you're still going to have people fucking up in 8 man content
lusty grotto
i do it because the BIS shit is in raid, as always
chilly brook
or 10 man content
lusty grotto
but tbf i also do like raiding
i just do not like the logistics
guild recruitment, pugging
fucking lockouts
outdated shit
all barriers to entry
chilly brook
There are certainly things they could do to make it better
lusty grotto
when the barrier should be the difficulty
chilly brook
imo making raids smaller is not one of them
chilly brook
guild recruitment, pugging
so what you just wanna be able to q up for mythic?
just like LFR?
chilly brook
"pugging"
lusty grotto
guild recruitment is solved by less people required
the lockout problem is solved by removing them
pugging is solved by both of those
because now you can fucking pug without worrying about a mythic lockout
with more diverse groups in group finder
lusty grotto
uhh
jagged gust
down first boss as a pug, half the raid leaves, never refill
chilly brook
although lockout is bad I do agree
lusty grotto
down first boss as a pug, half the raid leaves, never refill
yup
chilly brook
I mean you're never downing silken court as a pug
lusty grotto
youd be surprised
chilly brook
unless it's a group with a legit raid lead and consistent players every week
at which point is that even a pug
lusty grotto
my weekend group did 8/9 at aberrus
an organized pug
granted
but they still invited pugs
im not talking about facerolling stuff with randoms
but that group always hits a roadblock because if they have to refill halfway, well, good fucking luck lmao
unborn island
Note to self
warm plinth
Used to do weekly Kara pugs. Peak of wow for me
lone zinc
I feel that. If I have to endure another sub-par DPS complaining about someone else's mistake, I'm gonna have the mother-of-all crash-outs.
Oh, what's that Mr. "Currently doing less dps than me, the tank" Ret Pally? You have a problem with the healer failing the "stealth" section of Mechagon again?
lone zinc
Make no mistake, I don't mind people being sub-par, especially if I'm not in 10+ keys. But by god, if you are gonna start chucking bricks, you best be sure your house ain't made of glass before you do.
sharp gale
I like FF, don't get me wrong but the way they've gone about doing smaller group...
yeah do fights with mostly (if not all) be dances and Single Target
lone zinc
I can see that, I used to eat shit like that up when I regularly played FFXIV too. People like that are all over, being butts to others while being butts themselves.
lusty grotto
whats your characters name Happy
in XIV
i have no fucking clue how a conversation about WoW raiding became a convo for XIV but ill bite
again
sharp gale
whats your characters name Happy
idk happy something i guess, i did extreme endsinger and the other one, one or two bosses of the savage of endwalker and tried bahamut ultimate
mighty valley
it’s a shame ffxiv died when my husband did (emet selch)
lusty grotto
idk happy something i guess, i did extreme endsinger and the other one, one or ...
https://tomestone.gg/ can you look him up?
yes, thats raider.io for XIV
for lack of a better comparison
sharp gale
i need to find my char name 2 sec
how do i find my characters im on station mog rn
i found it
sharp gale
<https://tomestone.gg/> can you look him up?
idk how to search on tomstone
i don't find when i type my name
normal thorn
where, that isnt right
lusty grotto
i dont see chest there
normal thorn
2 embellish (weakest armor)
shield
jewelry
lusty grotto
weakest meaning
normal thorn
basically armor/jewel
normal thorn
otherwise weapon would be there, it specifies armor
lusty grotto
bracers
normal thorn
so I thought it was that
lusty grotto
and cloak (but you cant put dusk/dawn on cloak)
normal thorn
gotcha
lusty grotto
so next up is belt/boots
lusty grotto
1st is weapon assuming you cant get a myth weapon guaranteed
well 2nd
after shield
normal thorn
sure sounds good ty
lusty grotto
you barely saw content @sharp gale
sharp gale
can you link ? idk what i did, i saw bahamut, titan in savage of shadowbringer, extremes, and one savage boss with water in endwalker
sharp gale
i think i killed titan i don't remember, can you send ?
oh thx
there are almost no logs lol
even the ones i know i did, only 1 are logged
lusty grotto
its kind of a shame that ACT doesnt have a way to track ilvl
sharp gale
titania music goated
lusty grotto
so if youre behind, youll never get good numbers
behind in gearing i mean
but then again logging isnt really "legal"
sharp gale
yeah i had such a trouble installing details in ff
so many steps so i understand no one does lol
lusty grotto
also btw
the "dancing" aka limit cuts
are the things i most despise about fights
by far, and yet i still enjoy it
sharp gale
i like it in ff but too many kill the vibes ( i mean dances as : group need to do flower shape then turn and finish in cross etc)
lusty grotto
it doesnt happen often
very minimal
depending on the tier
some tiers are overloaded with them
others arent
sharp gale
i mostly did extremes and few savage from what i'm checking the names/face on fflogs
and tried bahamut ultimate but i quit
normal thorn
ultimate is a huge step up from extreme or even savage
lusty grotto
ultimates have changed a lot from UCOB
normal thorn
mostly the duration of the fight becomes issues imho
lusty grotto
yea
normal thorn
more mechs, more often, dps is specific, long 18~ minutes fights
sharp gale
maybe i should give it a try again because gameplay was the turn off even tho i have 1000 hours in the game
normal thorn
MSQ wise if you hate quests you can speed thru it tbh. most wow players hate story stuff
but savage is very great feeling
normal thorn
this tier has really nice tank (and even adds involved!) bosses
lusty grotto
but so does everyone
sharp gale
if you don't like MSQ just don't play FF is the thing i say to everyone asking me
lusty grotto
just skip it Happy
its... fine
i did it last week
i havent logged on this week, i gotta try bozja 2.0
shut summit
lusty grotto
yeah but anything is better than 7.0 lmao
normal thorn
I love FF9 so I will enjoy it
lusty grotto
same
sharp gale
just skip it Happy
even when i say to my friends "there is a skip/boost but don't play it at all if it's for the gameplay"
my opinion tho
lusty grotto
can get FF9 outfits in the new Bozja
normal thorn
nah id skip it all if i hate story
lusty grotto
just like you could get FF12 outfits from bozja itself
normal thorn
😄
lusty grotto
or so ive heard
normal thorn
🤔
lusty grotto
<:snaeling:916482191096156211>
have you played it yet ?
i might just log on tomorrow, i did the story last week new dungeon, the beatrix trial, the new normal raids, and then logged off
shut summit
nah finished fru, proly do savage when wow prog is done
lusty grotto
nice
sharp gale
nim how do you look for guilds or smth similar in ff? the one i found on facebook was really cool but i imagine they disbanded
lusty grotto
discord
mighty valley
I used to love ff9 as a kid
lusty grotto
for statics, not for guilds
strong forum
nim how do you look for guilds or smth similar in ff? the one i found on *facebo...
by dancing in town
mighty valley
played it again a few years back… story disintegrates halfway through
sharp gale
i admit i have entered one of those clubs and talked to people late at night in Limsa
lusty grotto
I used to love ff9 as a kid
thats the new trial
so literally Beatrix
robot beatrix
round cliff
droptimizer is telling me to take vers...
surely 4% vers is enough
i dont need more
lusty grotto
probably overloaded with crit
mighty valley
robot beatrix
ok im in
round cliff
probably overloaded with crit
its telling me to take crit vers, actually
lusty grotto
oh
round cliff
at least thats what stats it rolled on the slot machine ring
strong forum
pretty normal for ST
round cliff
big crit small vers
strong forum
crit vers has always been simming rather well in pure ST
since ATLEAST bfa
i didnt know about simming and raid logs in legion so cant say prior to that
round cliff
i wish i knew about simming and raid logs in legion...
cuz i wouldve known to grind mage tower too
round cliff
if anything i prob have too much mastery
lusty grotto
✅
lofty warren
is there a legal way to sim M1 or is it broken for all specs?
strong forum
what is m1
lofty warren
ur doing it wrong
lofty warren
is there a legal way to sim M1 or is it broken for all specs?
M+
lofty warren
how do guide makers figure out aoe rotation if they aint simming aoe
strong forum
by being good at their spec
thats atleast what i do
but you can also sim static aoe
lofty warren
ohh i didnt know it was feelycrafted
strong forum
but static aoe isnt a real representation of m+
strong forum
ohh i didnt know it was feelycrafted
all of dragonflight and tww s1 i feelycrafted that barbaric training is dogshit
on paper it was a dps gain
but in reality it fucked your rotation pretty hard 🙂
lofty warren
is that a dh talent? I never heard of itr
i dont even see it on the old spec talent list
look i don't doubt you know the right thing. i just thought it would be done through some maths sim
sharp gale
it used to increase revenge cost by 20
i did few keys as col with barbaric training in S1, it was fucking your rotation a lot, on top of already fucked rotation
lofty warren
when i read that it sounds good. do more damage.. but revenge is not pushed a lot as least as mountain thunder
in s1 I had better buttons to push like shield attack
strong forum
it used to increase revenge cost
tribal wharf
hey, thats kind of cool
lusty grotto
ok yogi
lofty warren
lusty grotto
thats too bad, cause hpal got buffed
lofty warren
i still do more hps on details than hpals on my vdh on 12s
it not even doing lots of dps
lusty grotto
i hope you do
lofty warren
id much rather have a disc or rsham or rdruid
oak ivy
Somebody cliffnotes Sprocket taunt swap for me on Mythic
sharp gale
Somebody cliffnotes Sprocket taunt swap for me on Mythic
i'm at after the first intermission, we swap on tankbuster except when we switch side* nevermind i remember now how we do, the same always take the tankbuster, and we switch when he lose the debuff or boss movement
round cliff
1/8M now all it took was raid lead threatening peoples families
i got a mythic pit whistle this shit is so ass
strong forum
crest saver
round cliff
do i just equip it and then its good forever
i can take it off immediately
also does it still save crests if i have 2 6/6 hero trinkets
round cliff
word
long bronze
round cliff
haha yea
lusty grotto
<a:ragey:1198213371154153484>
you passed 2666 by 331
next pasture
how make rik reverb hurt less. spell block no work?
lusty grotto
oppostunity lost
stack punish
no spell block doesnt work
stack punish, wall, demo
lusty grotto
IP
bleak breach
Just tell your other tank to taunt
It doesn’t hurt until it pretty much. 1 shots you which means they’ve let you get way too many stacks.
round cliff
do you swap every ego check on gally?
bleak breach
do you swap every ego check on gally?
Can pretty much solo tank heroic Gally due to his intermissions.
Only taunt swaps I worry about are the 2 frontals
sharp gale
^
You basically can solo tank him last phase yes (I did it Sunday, co-tanked fell into the hole in the middle)
sacred urchin
Yall tanks would know this but do regular mobs still crit?
mighty valley
They can't crit tanks
warm plinth
You basically can solo tank him last phase yes (I did it Sunday, co-tanked fell ...
Silly co-tank
warm plinth
Silly main tank
sharp gale
I had the tank go far behind thing, I spawn the bombs, bomb is on warlock portal, I’m now the other side of warlock portal, I leap and click on bomb, it bumps me into the hole
warm plinth
As far as I know, only white hits can crit on anyone, and nothing crits on tanks. But some random self-inflicted things can crit. The one shadowflame enchant that did damage to the user could crit. And idk if it still can but the rebound damage from shadow word death could crit
small steeple
you will be guranteed crit if you are sitting on the ground
obtuse spindle
mighty valley
i haven't tried it, they might get in each other's way sometimes
but at least you don't always want to use them both on CDs
normal thorn
as a war on stix, do I open with the aoe weapons on ground or smth else
I lose aggro cus I want to wait until boss is in position
sharp gale
as a war on stix, do I open with the aoe weapons on ground or smth else
You charge the boss and move to pos by going back/not straight back walking, idk if you understand
And then you drop ravager
You can hit the bosses+ move them without them stoping
lusty grotto
happy means backpedal or strafe
sharp gale
Yeah sry not main English, you don’t backpedal
normal thorn
hold on
lusty grotto
avatar into demo into demolish into troar into ravager into SC
normal thorn
here
I pulled, offtank DK pulls off me
I didnt ravager cus he just pulled boss into middle basically
I'd have done it when we get to purple basically
lusty grotto
use taunt, it gives you 400% more threat while its up on the mob
you can onload cds after its up
normal thorn
I did
lusty grotto
unload*
sharp gale
Let me turn on computer to send you a clip, I did cauldron on my war and I do what I’m trying to say
lusty grotto
why are you guys 3 tanking stix lol
sharp gale
(I take dinosaur first and have to move boss into pos)
sharp gale
It’s to show him how moving back without back pedal is
normal thorn
why are you guys 3 tanking stix lol
I believe its so they can get adds...?
lusty grotto
why are you guys 3 tanking stix?
normal thorn
Idk I thought its bad too
lusty grotto
uhhh what
lusty grotto
no
twilit turtle
why?
lusty grotto
because an aggregate site gives you 0 context
things that might not apply to you
or the content you do
and can provide 0 explanations for the choices the selected portion of players make
use our guides, and then we can answer
otherwise, you'd have to look up a player that uses those talents in aggregate sites and ask them
normal thorn
uhhh what
some top end teams (i know i know, not us)
use 3 tank
I see many using 2
I agree with 2
lusty grotto
I agree with 2
did he pull at 0:04?
lusty grotto
I agree with 2
0:04 and 0:17 yea?
normal thorn
ye
lusty grotto
ok 1 second
normal thorn
this is really the issue
im trying to pull him to 'correct place'
and he's pumping
lusty grotto
yeah i m ean
normal thorn
i lost aggro before im that far out too
lusty grotto
there's nothing you can do there except taunt and mash heroic throw
lusty grotto
but yeah you should ravager, i guess
kitchensink it
or...
ask for a misdirect
or tricks
normal thorn
I'm noob with war full out
can ravager and champion weapon keep up with the boss fully moviong?
sharp gale
which i basically did yeah
at the end im back pedaling bc it is almost on pos but you might see what i'm talking about
https://www.twitch.tv/arn0xtv/clip/LivelyCarelessCaribouHeyGirl-kb6gyGTGnc0Eap2y
lusty grotto
this is not complicated
just ask for a misdirect
if you cant move and position
you have 2 hunters and 1 rogue
and not one of them put misdirect/tricks of the trade on you?
yup
not one of them did
ask them to help you out, if you cant position a boss while moving
then you shouldn't have to jump hoops to grab the boss
its raiding 101
violet flume
Is there a reason wowhead is recommending into the fray instead of heavy repercussions for m+? i thought non-100% shieldblock uptime was bad
violet flume
ah idk why i wasnt thinking of haste breakpoints lmao. i assume 14k +4p gets you near 100%?
lusty grotto
ITF is what we're playing, cause getting those levels is easy
im not talking about breakpoints at all
twilit turtle
no ravager on M+?
lusty grotto
thats just when the worst case scenario (1 stack of ITF) beats HR
lusty grotto
should i only be using SC to cover when shield block will fall?
on cd
violet flume
well i have 8k haste so heavy reperc it is
lusty grotto
thats it
stoic smelt
idk why im a noober but sometimes my shield block falls and i have no charges :(
lusty grotto
dont play ITF then
you probably dont have the haste
read your tier, if you have it
lusty grotto
use ITF when you have over 17k haste without 4pc, and over 14k with 4pc
that's rating
unbuffed
if you dont meet that criteria
use HR
stoic smelt
Yeah i just need a good ring tbh
lusty grotto
its just part of the gearing process to ilvl > all and have low haste
stoic smelt
once i replace signet ill have it easily
lusty grotto
do you mean cyrce?
stoic smelt
oh yes
lusty grotto
cause you wont replace it for a bit
stoic smelt
):
lusty grotto
only myth rings beat it
or rather around that mark
just get the highest ilvl you can on things
and then focus on stats
round pendant
once i replace signet ill have it easily
if you wanna be miserable, you can unequip stuff so haste becomes your highest secondary and then equip the circlet
lusty grotto
there are a LOT of items with haste this season, tier included
stoic smelt
if you wanna be miserable, you can unequip stuff so haste becomes your highest s...
ICK
round pendant
lmao
stoic smelt
do you have to do that everytiem you login?
round pendant
I have to unequip one piece after swapping back from arms
but it's worth it for the +3k haste
round pendant
do you have to do that everytiem you login?
not sure tbh I can check ig
round pendant
"just get the drop"
lusty grotto
cinderbrew neck, ToP rings
ML cloak
i mean
yeah "just get the drop"
its not tome
round pendant
My friend has got 4 tomes in like 6 runs
lusty grotto
let me say this
round pendant
I've got 0 in 10
lusty grotto
fuck your friend
round pendant
he gave me one though but
yes I said the same thing to him
"Fuck you. Give it to me."
lusty grotto
ok can he be my friend
round pendant
lmao
lusty grotto
31 runs 
round pendant
ooooof
have you tried running it with other tank classes and asking them to set loot spec?
round pendant
18347 crit 17878 haste with the re-equip trick to get 3k haste from circlet
gonna relog and see if it changes
21,037 15,188 after
imagine if they just let us pick a stat with circlet
I hate these stupid rings
empty loom
can someone clarify colossus thunder clap and revenge priority on aoe 4~5 mobs? i was checking logs in m+ and some warrior did 300k more dps than me doing less thunderclap and more revenge
round pendant
Colossus ig?
lusty grotto
why would you TC as colossus