hello there
#protection
toxic pewter
I am on a flight
warm plinth
I am in a car
toxic pewter
What I miss
lusty grotto
dont text and drive sir
warm plinth
The ground. That's how you're flying
toxic pewter
The ground. That's how you're flying
lol
split stream
Do you guys actually hit taunt as part of your ST opener? Or do you save if for if you need it in the handful of seconds of CD and use it reactively?
sour flicker
nah I was totally dumped with vers
lusty grotto
Do you guys actually hit taunt as part of your ST opener? Or do you save if for ...
its off gcd, you can weave it
but to answer your question, i dont often use it on the opener
split stream
It’s not whether it’s a loss of opener and more a question of if you should save it as a save in between when it would otherwise be up
Okay, same
lusty grotto
its good for ST, as to get initial lasting threat
split stream
Making sure I’m not trolling
mighty valley
in a single target raid situation? yeah i press it, in what situation am I gonna need it again in a few seconds
split stream
When someone crits for 30mil 5 seconds into pull?
toxic pewter
If I’m taking boss first I definitely taunt at start myself
mighty valley
there's no world that someone pulls off your initial burst with taunt's threat multiplier
and in the literal worst case scenario... heroic leap to reset taunt
mighty valley
it's not a huge thing but pressing it on pull hedges against people who fuck up their precast and jump the timer haha
mighty valley
yeah for sure, not on trash pulls
i need to save it for when the shaman goes fucking bananas on a non-prio target
lusty grotto
man, the more i think about the DR thing on TL/demo, the more im convinced its useless
youre not even TCing that much as colossus
to make a palpable difference
mighty valley
yeah
lusty grotto
at best youre massively desyncing demo
mighty valley
maaaaayyyyyyybe if the damage numbers are getting insane you need every dr% you can get
but i'd never drop anything beyond show of force/disrupting for it
every bottom section talent is gas
lusty grotto
yeah maybe
but there's no way you're gonna prio pressing TC at any point as Colossus
you wanna do dam for other reasons
lusty grotto
like No Stranger to Pain and BrV
warm plinth
If you unlock t8 delves on one toon, are they unlocked on all?
lusty grotto
yea
lusty grotto
toxic pewter
Do you get that reference?
Not sure lol I just thought it was funny
warm plinth
It's from Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The trick to flying is that you have to throw yourself at the ground and miss
toxic pewter
lol love it
warm plinth
I don't think it says it in the movie so you wouldn't get it if you hadn't read the book
jovial violet
guys, since I can't find an answer to this matter what is the guideline to break alt 4pc for new 2pc? or as soon as ilvl is worth it? ty in advance
warm plinth
It sucks more than I do, and that's saying something
lusty grotto
jovial violet
ty for the quick answer, I could not find an answer in the faq or guides
lusty grotto
no worries,
warm plinth
wonder if I can do t8 delve at like 580something ilevel 👀
warm plinth
Yeah it'll be on the ole woyer
split stream
Ok so last time I was a warrior tank main like 10+ years ago the added 4x threat multiplier wasn’t a thing, is 400% threat gen an aura you get or just to the taunted target?
Or is this also old data
lusty grotto
very old data
there are threat multipliers
but nothing you can control
just do more dps
dps = threat
split stream
So no 4x threat during taunt?
strong forum
no
split stream
Right
strong forum
there is 4x during taunt still
lusty grotto
oh youre asking about taunt
lusty grotto
my bad i thought you were talking in general
split stream
Is it just 4x to that target? Or is it aura
Sorry coming back from my question 5 min ago lol
strong forum
as long as the debuff persists on said target
lusty grotto
should be whatever has the debuff yea
warm plinth
It's during the 3 second fixate to that target (or shorter if it's DRed)
small steeple
The aura is like 800% threat for damage from tanks, then taunt fixates for however long, and adds like a 4x multiplier to threat generated
warm plinth
There is a general tank threat modifier but it's not something that changes your gameplay in any way. It's just a permanent modifier while in any tank spec.
lusty grotto
yeah
that was what i was going for, i just missed the part where he was talking about taunt
warm plinth
To quest on woyer or to take a nap, that is the question
restive oak
i just ate nachos and am leaning towards nap, lol
young kindle
Do people feel Colossus Tank survivability kinda suck … in +12 and higher?
sacred patrol
toxic pewter
Plus we got shield walls galore
inner plank
Is Cinderbrew stein still bugged ?
mild river
Is Cinderbrew stein still bugged ?
Wdym?
inner plank
I've read in multiple places the "shield allies" effect did not go off
mild river
Oh I didn't know that
lusty grotto
Look how cute I am
very cute
regal epoch
What dungeons strongly favour kezaan this season?
avoiding it for ToP and workshop makes sense
obsidian harness
Any where you can just stay in combat the whole time really.
lusty grotto
and constant pulls
regal epoch
i was iffy on ML but after that first skip you can chain the whole way to the last boss, that makes sense
and i guess the cart
lusty grotto
yeah the cart is probably the hit
priory rookery might suffer due to flight, and then falling down twice
so yeah id say ToP/Work/Rookery are the ones you would probably want to avoid using it
DFC well the cart part i guess, but thats just one part
lofty warren
who the FORK is voting for priory as best dungeon? is someone spam botting it?
lofty warren
disguisting
lusty grotto
i want to farm 30x priories for no tome, for another season
lofty warren
🤮
regal epoch
~~priory~~ rookery might suffer due to flight, and then falling down twice
rookery, you mean
lusty grotto
yeah rookery, sorry
regal epoch
priory is 100% uptime or close to it 😄
lusty grotto
im even fucking thinking about priory
regal epoch
haha
I got decently lucky and got it on run 56, 12ish after i got my signet
but I offered anyone who could swap to tank spec a firm handshake and a crisp 100 bucks if they swapped loot spec for it if they didn't need anything, and almost everyone was kind enough to do it
lusty grotto
i just blame my character's GUID
regal epoch
I ended up getting it on my own but it was surprising how many were willing
regal epoch
I didn't actually offer money 😛
regal epoch
I was just nice about asking
lusty grotto
yeah i should do that
regal epoch
when it did drop, i did give the two peeps who swapped spec 10k each just to celebrate 😄
even though it dropped for me
lusty grotto
the problem is most people just want signets and they just think it'll decrease their chances due to a bigger pool
regal epoch
true, but in all 12 runs there was always one person who didn't need it, so hopefully you'll have similar luck
lusty grotto
yeah maybe ill try it for my daily 2 to 5 runs
regal epoch
good luck king 👑
regal epoch
can't let rage cap, that's just good practice bro
lusty grotto
thx, ill need that luck lmao
regal epoch
the reality of having too much rage at not getting the trinket to drop, and then dumping your rage on ignoring the pain of not getting it is just too real
lusty grotto
graceful kite
lusty grotto
i should just block my trinket slots
like a big ole black square every time i open my character sheet
every day: "fuck this game" -> alt + f4
fathom prism
buoyant sparrow
Hey fam. Why are we haste crit? Does Crit help with blocking?
fathom prism
bit too much
*not enough
warm plinth
Hey fam. Why are we haste crit? Does Crit help with blocking?
No. Gives damage and parry
strong forum
love pug tanks trying to round up a pull after being cocky af "just obey"
and then proceeds to die 6sec into gathering cuz he had the bright idea to leap into the middle of 15 mobs
proceeds to leave the key immediately despite still being on +3 pace
alrighty then
zealous goblet
I HAVE RETURNED.. BRIEFLY. what the fuck happened
toxic pewter
zealous goblet
i heard down the grapevine we uses colossus now
lusty grotto
>proceeds to leave the key immediately despite still being on +3 pace
happens all too often
yes we are colossus gamers Scatter
strong forum
Only the OGs have been colossus enjoyers since s1
fathom prism
whats everyone's revenge keybind, Mine is shift+e, which was kind of okay s1 (I honestly didnt press it but I also didnt do more than weekly 10s) but now, my wrist hurts
lusty grotto
hey i did colossus vault keys last season
strong forum
whats everyone's revenge keybind, Mine is shift+e, which was kind of okay s1 (I ...
3
lusty grotto
3
fathom prism
whats 1 and 2?
strong forum
1tc
2 empty
3 revenge
4 shield slam
5 demolish
zealous goblet
Only the OGs have been colossus enjoyers since s1
that was a b-plot and you know it, the a-plot was the BSV wars
fathom prism
damn maybe I should make the switch
lusty grotto
lol
zealous goblet
wait is there still a bsv civil war
fathom prism
most people I talk to use, 1-4/5 for rotational abilities, but mine is q, e , f r basically
strong forum
Nah bsv is more easily pickable as Colossus
zealous goblet
o
strong forum
Since indom is garbage as Colossus
zealous goblet
Since indom is garbage as Colossus
prot warrior goes from dom to sub haha u get it because indom hahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha
im popular irl
strong forum
warm plinth
whats everyone's revenge keybind, Mine is shift+e, which was kind of okay s1 (I ...
That's some crazy shit
fathom prism
That's some crazy shit
I mean, carpal tunnel isnt that bad
wide charm
revenge is 4 for me
warm plinth
3 for me
toxic pewter
Revenge is 1 for me
warm plinth
shield charge, shield slam, revenge, shield block, tc, heroic throw are my 1-6
zealous goblet
somehow, I doubt that
;0
warm plinth
/be cute
mighty valley
2 shield charge, 3 shield block, 4 revenge, 5 shield slam
warm plinth
pick one
small steeple
SS1, all the way through to 8. Top row is shift 1-shift4. Rightside is e,shift e, r, left is q, and shift q
warm plinth
Should probably fix my talents
mighty valley
Oh it’s hamstring I think since 1 is far away for me
warm plinth
Why is it far away for you :sus:
I'm preparing to judge
Oh my
I didn't realize that Barbaric Training got a redemption arc
small steeple
are there any bosses in heroic raid where you would run a punish build instead of a jugernaut execute one?
warm plinth
Oh I have to find a button for demolish rip
lusty grotto
typical priory
warm plinth
lusty grotto
had speed too
warm plinth
Nim, why are we using Instigate instead of Bloodsurge in M+ now
mighty valley
Why is it far away for you :sus:
ESDF movement
warm plinth
teach me o wise one
warm plinth
Oh
lusty grotto
needs big pulls all the time to match up
if you go bloodsurge, your rage intake will lack on bosses
mighty valley
OH WAIT demolish is on 1
warm plinth
this guy
lusty grotto
i do bloodsurge on priory though
warm plinth
and Nome said indom is bad for colossus, why is that
lusty grotto
big pull dungeorinos like priory and cinderbrew are good with bloodsurge
mighty valley
It was already nerfed and colossus rage income is lower
lusty grotto
indom was bad since tww released
and what Harrow said
we just took it as thane cause rage intake is huge
it sucks donkey nuts as colossus
warm plinth
I've barely touched the expansion at all so I'm behind on my information
white mulch
Hey guys quick question
lusty grotto
TWW release nerfed leech etc
white mulch
Did they nerf something yesterday?
lusty grotto
no
white mulch
collossus feels a bit off as arms aswell
warm plinth
I vaguely remember that part
lusty grotto
well
ive been spamming priory
and i can see my dps
its the same
for both nights
white mulch
ok tyty ^^
small steeple
are there any bosses in heroic raid where you would run a punish build instead o...
.
warm plinth
Wild that they kept bloodborne as 2 points though
lusty grotto
yeah bloodborne is in a weird state
cause they nerfed bleeds for this season
so basically bloodborne is never worth
warm plinth
so are you dropping indom for battering ram, or is that for bsv? it takes indom in the wowhead M+ build for colossus
lusty grotto
indom for battering ram after 4pc
warm plinth
gotcha
warm plinth
ok think I'm set then since I don't have 4pc or even 2pc
warm plinth
👍
lusty grotto
thats about it, those are the only variations
lusty grotto
should i just rush to priory 30th tonight?
warm plinth
Oh shit, does this work even when it's dr?
lusty grotto
yes it does
warm plinth
huge
warm plinth
I'm picking up what you're putting down
lusty grotto
lmao yea
thats kind of there because of arms
tbh
idk its weird, so thats the only explanation
warm plinth
scuse me while I drop that whirlwind on my bar
It's gonna be so weird pressing TC as little as you do w/ colossus after multiple expansions of pressing it on CD
lusty grotto
you get used to it really fast
its back to legion prot
colossus = legion prot
thane = bfa prot (but does less damage for some reason)
thats kind of it
opaque ibex
I'm about to push some 14/15s on pwar. Is there any talent that I should consider apart from general colosus tree?
opaque ibex
Was playing bsv on 13's alllready
So I just use general stuff and hope stuff dies asap, cool
uncut juniper
So, I got Trashmaster Mantle (cloak all vers) mythic in my vault but I have a heroic trashmasters with leach or I could get stonefury vambraces haste/mastery mythic when I have Secret-dredger's Armplates with socket crit/haste. I dont raid only mythic+ so any advice would help, even though I know its no crazy upgrades.
I assume Ilvl is best but wasn't sure how much one cares about leech
warm plinth
Anyone know how much loot is affected by dying in delves? I see it mentioned that it does in multiple articles but no specifics
lyric fern
Anyone know how much loot is affected by dying in delves? I see it mentioned th...
Loot is unaffected unless you run out of lives
if you run out of lives and finish a bountiful delve, the bountiful chest at the end will be ruined and you wont get anything from it. Best to just leave the delve and try again if that ever happens
lusty grotto
I assume Ilvl is best but wasn't sure how much one cares about leech
tertiaries are not worth considering
unless ilvl is the same
even then secondaries are more important than tertiaries
its in the name
lusty grotto
Anyone know how much loot is affected by dying in delves? I see it mentioned th...
did you die?
surreal lodge
do yall think bounding stride is worth it in m+?
potent anvil
Depends how often you need to leap. It's quality of life, really. So can drop for something else imo.
warm plinth
did you die?
Yeah, got hit by a mechanic I couldn't see; swirlie spawned under the ground and apparently was a 1-shot mechanic from one of the elites
1-shot at my ilevel anyway
elder viper
665 gally shield or 675 crafted shield? not sure how much of a difference the dps is and if its worth the defensive drops
warm plinth
Shield is always ilevel
elder viper
i figured i just wasnt sure if the proc on the gally shield was worth it
warm plinth
It's a good shield, but it's not going to make up for the survival benefits of 10 ilevels on that slot
unless you're doing trivial content, then do whatever I suppose haha
small steeple
For sprocket, should I run thane for higher st execute?
lusty grotto
Yeah, got hit by a mechanic I couldn't see; swirlie spawned under the ground and...
damn
warm plinth
I was very careful after that because the map was really bad for it; it was the ability where they like throw presents on the ground
lusty grotto
i hit my 28th priory
im guessing if i dont get it on my 30th im just gonna forget about it
so will prob do those last 2 tomorrow
faint smelt
I can see pros & cons of both so I’ll ask the community, What’s better, mountain thane or colossal & why……. GO!! 🤣🤣
small steeple
I can see pros & cons of both so I’ll ask the community, What’s better, mountai...
You are only gonna get 1 response here
faint smelt
You are only gonna get 1 response here
Lay it on me, I’m not going to judge or laugh at anyone. I’m honestly interested in what people think & I love to theorycraft
long bronze
the answer is colossus, there is no discussion to be had
faint smelt
the answer is colossus, there is no discussion to be had
Why? I’m all ears
lusty grotto
why would we be worried about your reaction
next pasture
is letting rogues restealth a dps boost overall?
limpid tide
We don’t use iron wire
limpid tide
Who the fuck uses that anymore
lusty grotto
i mean on a high key it could be worth having the extra stop
but if yall playing with VDHs then i can see why not to pick it
limpid tide
If you play with assa using it, kick them
Only difference in assa atm is bleed build and low prio dmg or lots of prio in hybrid
small steeple
cleave build not viable rn for sin?
limpid tide
It’s still a dps increase btw to give them stealth
next pasture
It’s still a dps increase btw to give them stealth
overall or just for the rogue?
long bronze
this sounds like rogue propaganda
limpid tide
overall or just for the rogue?
For the rogue, so basically plan route where you pull everything in an area.
Only reason rogue should be brought in push key is to prio dmg. Prio dmg means give them restealth. Basically assa great atm, in premade. Just ignore pug assa. Take sub or outlaw
lusty grotto
so only sin has the restealth increase or?
limpid tide
They all do
lusty grotto
is it classwide?
gotcha
its been a minute since ive touched rogue, probably since bfa
round pendant
Restealth increase is still less dps than chainpulling (properly)
limpid tide
Every spec and hero tree loves restealth but sub and outlaw play trickster who can do their damage just fine if you can’t restealth easy
lusty grotto
i see
limpid tide
I’m pretty sure assa will eventually even star playing without subterfuge and that will make my distinction irrelevant in the coming weeks. BUT that’s not what assa in general pkays atm. TLDR fuck em, chain pull
round pendant
Every consensus I've seen on it is that restealth is nice but not the end of the world like every rogue player makes it out to be
warm plinth
Yeah outlaw, if they are still playing crackshot/HO, would lose damage, but I think they also get two vanishes now in TWW
lusty grotto
lmao i had some rogues rage in DF
round pendant
same
Had some guy absolutely flame me cause I wouldn't let him restealth
Yet it's only a small dps loss
and not even a dps loss if you're chainpulling anyway
I think sims put NO STEALTH EVER AT ALL at like -15%
which is big but obviously you're gonna get SOME restealths in a key
- vanish
- chainpulls
round pendant
is letting rogues restealth a dps boost overall?
Regardless of their reason, never give in to your puggers' demands
Especially if they're a rogue or druid or mage
warm plinth
Fucking ISPs man lol. Dude was about to bail on me.
lusty grotto
lol wat
warm plinth
I was resetting the modem, which he told me to do. Came back and right after it reconnected, he sent that last message trying to bail XD
lusty grotto
im so confused, isnt that a text msg?
round pendant
Fucking ISPs man lol. Dude was about to bail on me.
That's not a dude
that's a robot
lusty grotto
could be a chatbot yea
warm plinth
No, it's a guy. He's just using preset messages
round pendant
warm plinth
I mean, that's fair
But yeah I had to actually wait for this guy; that's the only way I know he's real tbh because all his messages were just scripted. Might as well have been talking to AI though.
Probably just has a macro board or something that spits out his shit
warm plinth
Yeah, on their website chat
lusty grotto
thats the part im confused about
ohhh i get it now
my modem also takes 2 hours to reboot for some fucking reason
so i feel that
warm plinth
Oh yeah it takes forever nowadays
lusty grotto
ive asked to see if i could replace it but... apparently they feel its fine or w/e
idk
warm plinth
Well, this will kill 2 birds w/ 1 stone because I have old equipment I need to turn in as well
lusty grotto
warm plinth
It's probably a bad line though. We had a bad storm a few weeks back that knocked out service, and the wiring in this building is garbage (even the electrical wiring)
Wouldn't be surprised if it's all crimp fittings
lusty grotto
bro ive had friends with issues where nodes overheat due to... well, heat
warm plinth
XD
lusty grotto
and their connection becomes unusable
warm plinth
Our pedestal outside looks like it's been through the war, and then another war
slender marsh
So I got Capo's Molten Knuckles from the weekly TW cache. Is that any good compared to any similar ilvl weapon? I notice it doesn't have any secondary stats.
lusty grotto
and then calling an ISP to explain such a thing is ridiculous
lusty grotto
So I got Capo's Molten Knuckles from the weekly TW cache. Is that any good compa...
its whatever
slightly better dps on ST
slightly
any hero/myth track will beat it of course
slender marsh
Yeah
lusty grotto
and less stats for a measly gain just means slightly worse defensively
but at champ level, it doesnt matter
slender marsh
Not even a nice transmog 😦
warm plinth
The switch 2 makes me think of phone companies releasing the next phone
Here's this phone; it looks just like the old one and pretty much does the same thing, but it's new!
cerulean tusk
Now with less of everything, but we made it faster on this rando bench test we made up and control. Buy buy seasonphone26
warm plinth
lusty grotto
to be fair...
warm plinth
I just can't afford that shit anymore, and it's not like I have a bad job. But my phone payment is literally 1/3 more than it should be right now just due to my phone payment because they're $1500-2000 now
warm plinth
I do like that they are making the switch more accessible for streamers without having to have a ton of extra hardware
lusty grotto
but... im probably not gonna insta buy it on release
im guessing ill wait for either metroid or duskbloods to buy it
warm plinth
By then it might be $100 per game
lusty grotto
since its likely silksong will be on PC
warm plinth
They already said the new Mario Kart will be $80
cerulean tusk
Greed, why you ask
lusty grotto
thats just excessive
warm plinth
Because they can, and because there's talk of video games in general going up to $100
lusty grotto
well its not the first time they go up to that range
but yeah...
i aint paying premium for something thats just mario kart open world
warm plinth
Indeed
But I also can't see me paying $450 for a handheld console limited to exclusive games
Well not exclusive but you get what I mean
fluid widget
im more upset about the switch 2 having a fromsoft exclusive
warm plinth
I have to play what's supported
lusty grotto
at least their exclusives are also bangers
but lately the only ones that appeal to me are the zeldas and metroid + duskbloods
warm plinth
Only thing I wanna hear from FromSoft is Bloodborne on PC already; idk how the fuck it's taking this long
lusty grotto
so i cant justify forking 450 right off the bat to wait
fluid widget
dont worry we'll get duskbloods on pc in like 15 years
lusty grotto
bloodborne on pc wont happen until a remaster happens ps5 since sony has a huge share
and they are fucking sitting on a cash printer for some reason
either way i aint buying it, i have the OG
now announce Bloodborne 2 and ill do the Fry meme
lusty grotto
likely but theyll draw it out
warm plinth
ngl, if they do make a Bloodborne 2 and it's only on console, I might actually have to buy a console
Well, a PS5, specifically. I already have a PS4, though I'm not sure if it works; it's just been collecting dust for the last like, 6 or 7 years
lusty grotto
i have a ps5 already at least
warm plinth
I'm coming over to your house then
🏃♂️
It's only like 24 hours away or something
ez
median egret
Evening. My guild is progging H sprocketmonger. How are y'all handling the taunt swaps on that boss? The cleanest method seems to be after every party pack, but my co-tank is a dh and gets blown up if he has more than 6 stacks. Right now, I am just taking every party pack and he is getting into the high teens with stacks before intermission. he says he's fine with it, but I don't believe him.
jagged ferry
Hi Friends, at what stage do we drop Circlet?
lusty grotto
whenever it gets outsimmed
jagged ferry
I guess the better question there is then is that usally aroudn the Myth track mark?
I only ask as I have Cauldron Ring Hero Track and then jsut got Darkflames ring Hero Track which are BIS but they are simming less than Circlet
lusty grotto
probaly yes, myth track with perfect stats
jagged ferry
Okay thanks for your help
jagged ferry
Myth Jasper never happening unfortunately haha.
lusty grotto
dinars
warm plinth
You're a dinar
jagged ferry
Isnt that a while into the season tho
warm plinth
gottem
lusty grotto
yeah but thats not never heh
round pendant
when are we even getting dinars
neon elk
tidal glacier
does anyone have the macro for the tome of light's devotion handy?
tidal glacier
the on use stuff
tidal glacier
ahh my tank friend was talking about a macro to get dbl stacks or something on it i have it set to use the on use
tidal glacier
bet ty
lusty grotto
there's no double stacks, its just trinket management
unless its an exploit of some kind
which is against the rules of this discord
tidal glacier
ahh okay so forcing it into the dmg phase after it shifts use its on use to swap it back to dmg
maybe he was meaning a weak aura to track it
round pendant
Evening. My guild is progging H sprocketmonger. How are y'all handling the tau...
Why not just take turns on the party packs? that's what I did in a pug and it was fine
twilit turtle
hi folks, imma looking for some guides, what about yoda?
round pendant
hi folks, imma looking for some guides, what about yoda?
it's fine but considering how bad his previous guide was I'd be weary. Read https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1266837564925673596
median egret
Why not just take turns on the party packs? that's what I did in a pug and it wa...
I think that would be the cleanest way to do it. but my co-tank can't handle that many stacks every time. Supposedly, dh's are really struggling with that mechanic. Apparently the 7 or 8 stacks that come out between every pack is too much. Do I just tell him to git gud?
round pendant
Probably
idk tho I'd ask the dh discord if it's supposed to truck that hard or if he's doing something wrong
valid spade
I think that would be the cleanest way to do it. but my co-tank can't handle th...
Yea that's not true. They are just not using a cd surely. I know I wasn't using a cd properly first couple tries and it exploded my arse
median egret
idk tho I'd ask the dh discord if it's supposed to truck that hard or if he's do...
Thats my next step. He's super new to tanking, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was doing something wrong.
round pendant
colossus for raid and thane for m+? im right?
nah Colossus is better in m+
twilit turtle
sand condor
Last tier our set bones synergised well with thane. Now its crazy good with colossus
round pendant
Yeah it's just cause thane is easier to live with if you're new
twilit turtle
round pendant
but just learn to use your shit properly and col is way better
sand condor
Ew spear
sand condor
Ew ravager over budget cheat death
valid spade
Thane is arguably easier and you survive easier. Colossus is for DPS essentially but still defensive of course.
Am I trusting SIM over trinket tier list? I got a normal eye of kezan which clearly is bis. Then I have a lock n stalk heroic track and the drink one heroic track. The eye and drink are simming higher. And higher than reverb trinket
Kezan isn't good for m+ but raid it wins I know
round pendant
Ew ravager over budget cheat death
I would never pick anything over ravager
sand condor
I love ravager but i cant really use it in 12s
round pendant
If you need BSV I'd rather drop battering ram but that's just me
but I guess either's fine
dusky sentinel
The dialog earlier was a beginner setup anyways. Wont need cheat death.
valid spade
I drop battering ram to have cheat death and ravager
valid spade
My bad battering ram
jagged pier
Battering ram is better than rav with 4pc
So if u drop anything its rav or if u havent already indom
round cliff
im kinda hyped for joycon mouse metroid
im very very hyped for joycon mouse metroid
i hope its not assbad for no reason
i also smell the possibility of joycon mouse splatoon
idle copper
Battering ram is better than rav with 4pc
Is it not a different tool (or maybe crutch in my instance) for a different job?
slender bison
Does the 2p SW proc also trigger Avatar if you have UO talent?
Not ingame to test this
strong forum
no
cursive agate
This was meant by UO talent right? Thought it worked with 2p, sadge
sand condor
If only
valid spade
Battering ram is better than rav with 4pc
I just got 4pc yesterday so maybe I swap it up for this then
jolly swift
is there any negatives to having a mouseover charge?
sand condor
Sometimes i intervene my cotank
sand condor
Intervene has little value on colossus
sand condor
Last season as thane, intervene was a massive reason some of my healers and dps didn’t die
ionic nimbus
It’s still a good defensive in some keys, for example packs with many archers
trim estuary
Quick question; just how impactful/crucial is having a proper amount of Haste for the spec, both gameplay/experience wise and performance wise? Currently lacking a lot while gearing up, and just wondering what to expect 😄
strong forum
its the only stat that matters
trim estuary
Fwiw, I kinda gathered that, and I think I understand why. Just trynna figure out exactly what kind of difference I'll be seeing in practice, considering I've currently got about half the amount of Haste rating I should
If that's a nonsensical question/way of thinking, then mb"
!*
strong forum
hard to quantify
youll have more rage, more access to shield walls, more avatars
more outbursts
strong forum
ye
trim estuary
Ait, good to know. I've managed that my rage gen can suddenly stall completely for 2-5 seconds, unless I proc a Shield Slam, and while it's probably it large due to me doing shit the wrong way, I also feel like it certainly doesnt help that I have 9k Haste rating
trim estuary
Yeah, definitely still trying to finding out the balance on that, both in terms of CD timings (relative to gameplay and rage spending) and with figuring how much I can pull where
I pretty much have no idea how much anything hurts for tanks, so it's very much finding out as I go
😛
#healerlife
Iirc one of the guides said to send IP on 60-80 Rage in general, idk if that's accurate/a good rule of thumb tho
trim estuary
Ah, yes, that was yours
😄
(Ty btw, good guide!)
I think I do tend to spend a bit too much on IP, but sometimes it feels like I have to with my other CDs not coming up as fast as they could
round pendant
Battering ram is better than rav with 4pc
oh I never thought about it with the 4pc interaction, is it better in terms of rage gen over the span of a key too?
trim estuary
Could also just be me pulling more than I should relative to what I have up for the pull
round pendant
like, does the rage gen from shield charging more cause of the tier set make up for the loss of rage from ravager?
trim estuary
my current strategy has just been to limit test... constantly, more or less
I feel sorry for the pugs I'm in, but pulling small and safe aint gonna teach me much imo
round pendant
I mean, just press IP if you're about to overcap rage or if it's about to fall off
other than that your big dam builds it up enough
round pendant
Ait, good to know. I've managed that my rage gen can suddenly stall completely f...
You're not using Into The Fray with that amount of Haste are you?
trim estuary
You're not using Into The Fray with that amount of Haste are you?
Oh, I am
round pendant
yeah that'll kill you
jagged gust
you need haste for itf to be good
round pendant
If you don't have 18k haste (afaik you can get away with 16-17k with 4pc) you can't maintain 100% uptime on your Shield Block with ITF
round pendant
if your Shield Block is falling off you're losing all your mitigation
switch to Heavy Repercussions til you get more haste
trim estuary
Oh, okay!
Will do that
Cause that's the main thing I've struggled with so far
Mitigation wise
Having to cover SB with IP
jagged gust
your dps will go down a little bit, but a dead tank does no damage
yeah IP dont work like that
round pendant
Yeah you'll have 100% uptime with HR
as long as you smash shield slam as much as possible
trim estuary
yeah IP dont work like that
I mean, if I dont have SB stacks to use, surely it's better to make sure IP doesnt fall off?
obviously, the talent swap probably addresses that anyway
(at least that's the impression I got)
round pendant
Shield block needs to be up 100% of the time you're in combat in m+
or you go splat
jagged gust
No I meant more like if you don't have SB up, IP will be nearly instantly depleted
they work in tandem
trim estuary
^ Oh yeah, I know. Hence my earlier admission about likely spending too much rage on IP
I meant to say that I felt like I've been doing that, but it's also felt necessary
cause Haste and all that jazz
jagged gust
Yeah it's just problematic to think of having to cover for SB in the first place
trim estuary
For sure. It's not like it felt good or ideal
jagged gust
IP is like the icing on the cake of prot warrior's defensive kit
trim estuary
was more like... what else do I do when I dont have shit up right?
trim estuary
Fwiw, I'm still gearing up and havent started touching key levels that actually hurt yet
so havent really caused many issues yet
jagged gust
My last guild was named "Do Whatever and Panic" so it's a vibe
trim estuary
Hahahah
Love that
Hell, 80% of the shit I've fought in my +7-10s so far dont deal damage to me even if SB isnt up
round pendant
Yeah Shield Block is the foundation
trim estuary
Indeed
round pendant
if you don't have it, you fucked up
unless you're cotanking in raid or something
downtime is acceptable then
trim estuary
I have to admit, it did feel weird to not be able to have 100% uptime comfortably
but this explains it
round pendant
It's pretty tough to get 18k haste too so you'll be stuck with HR for a while
ITF feels great once you get the haste tho
jagged gust
getting 18k haste to sim well is even harder
round pendant
btw that's 18k before buffs
lofty glen
easyer to play tank or dps in raid?
round pendant
raid tanking is the easiest role in the game
however if you fuck it up people will hate you
no mistakes allowed
jagged gust
18k before ITF* You can use buffs to reach that goal
trim estuary
at work, cant check in game atm
round pendant
18k before ITF* You can use buffs to reach that goal
Really? I was always told it's the pre-buff number that matters
lofty glen
no problem i tanked for long time before DF. mechanics are easy. just hate that noone want to take me in HC as dps. have AotC last tier and 664 GS.
trim estuary
Quick q: haste reduces SB recharge rate or what?
Trynna understand how More Haste = more SB
has to be some component that affects recharge rate or whatnot?
jagged gust
Really? I was always told it's the pre-buff number that matters
nah you'll have like .5-1sec gaps in SB uptime every 45sec between SC CDs before you get 4p up from 18-20k but that's nothing
and once 4p is online it's a non issue
round pendant
That makes sense
round pendant
Trynna understand how More Haste = more SB
SB cooldown is reduced
at 18k + ITF it's reduced enough that combined with all your other things that give you shield block (like shield charge) you can maintain 100% effective uptime
trim estuary
Okay, that makes sense! Ty 😄
lofty glen
is there a WA that tells you when SB procs/is up? i realy dont know how to use WA and tryed to wirte it myself but it sucks XD
jagged gust
I bet if you looked up shield block tracker on wago you'd get a hit
lofty glen
what is wago?
round pendant
You can track the button + buff on a single aura or do what I do and have bars for the charges and track the buff
jagged gust
lofty glen
ah okay. just got soem WA that destroys my interface caus they overwrite everything thats why i asket spezific for this 😄
jagged gust
yeah I scavenged his pretty good
round pendant
I posted it here before and people hated it
but I'm old so it has to be huge cause I'm blind
jagged gust
Oh I feel that
round pendant
I didn't play wow for like 6 years and when I opened it for the first time since I had to increase font sizes everywhere lmao
lofty glen
and all of these is klickable or able to bind?
jagged gust
I installed a cursor enlarging addon lol
round pendant
and all of these is klickable or able to bind?
They're just icons that track the cooldowns
they're still on the normal actionbars
round pendant
I installed a cursor enlarging addon lol
yeah CursorTrail is a godsend too
lofty glen
they're still on the normal actionbars
and you dont show your actionbar then? or do you have all twice on screen?
round pendant
yeah I hide my actionbars
jagged gust
they're still on the normal actionbars
see that's my issue with class packages, I just design my elvui profile to what WAs try to emulate
round pendant
I mean yeah you can just shove your actionbars up there
but you can't order the icons freely without moving the keybinds lol
lofty glen
see that's my issue with class packages, I just design my elvui profile to what ...
and can you tell elvui to just change actionbars? i hate the bag interface of elv thats why i deinstaled after 5 sec XD
jagged gust
I guess that is one convenience
yeah you can enable/disable specific features as you please
round pendant
honestly just use bartender and masque
or dominos/whatever
hiding actionbars was the best thing I ever did tho
jagged gust
Can't say I've even touched bartender since the 2000s
round pendant
It's not great but it uses the least resources out of any standalone actionbar addon ime
also lets me hide some other ui elements
like the micro menu
jagged gust
yeah micro menu is ugly as sin
instant disable on my end too
Though learning the hotkeys for everything took a while
round pendant
I still find myself just pressing random hotkeys to get to what I want
but it's whatever
lol
dusky sentinel
Why are we dropping indom? Does it suck now? Havent really read up on changes as ive mained healer the past weeks
sand condor
Pretty sure itsbeen ass
pallid quiver
It hasn't been ass, but it's taken repeated nerfs
From the donk at the start of TWW to the rage adjustments overall to Colo generally being the go-to pick, which just gens less rage than Thane,
You just aren't spending as much rage as before, and you aren't getting as much value per rage spent
sand condor
So helpfull Vic <:keks:936231610850897992>
That’s me, Helpful Chicken
ionic nimbus
Why are we dropping indom? Does it suck now? Havent really read up on changes as...
It’s one of the expensive points, and the benefit is not worth, beyond leech
latent idol
What isn't tracked properly? Cause I can take a look, to see if I can fix what isn't working 🙂
unborn spire
Hey guys, I’m in process of crafting my 675 shield. Are there any enchantments and embellishments you recommend?
round thicket
What is your plan for mythic + big pull especially at begining without rage and IP ? When I tried to pull 3-4 packs I take a lot of DMG during the setup... Mobs are not pack etc....Once I'm in place it's ok but before it's a nightmare.
gentle ore
Pop shield wall.
If you’re not in a good position when it runs out… you have another shield wall.
Starting with charge into shield charge gives you a decent starting point rage wise as well
ionic nimbus
I think, if u want a stat trinket. Delve Lena should be the aim, not the garbo signet
HoC would be a nice pick for the coins I guess
thin marten
What isn't tracked properly? Cause I can take a look, to see if I can fix what i...
it's fine, I just misunderstood how the trinket worked at the time, I thought the on use would always advance the book by exactly 50 pages so I wanted the page buff tracked too
latent idol
Ah ok 👍
thin marten
tracking page number might be useful sometimes but idk
latent idol
Will look into it later today, should be easy 🙂
weary forge
do we never click rend
unborn island
do we never click rend
Correct, we never clock rend
topaz latch
anyone using indom for MT? i know we have taken it off on col because its doo doo.
jagged pier
Its better fo MT u gen more rage
topaz latch
Its better fo MT u gen more rage
can we few MT's leave it off? ive been enjoying the flex point there.
jagged pier
Sure
keen vine
i take the other stam point as mt aswell. idk 2% haste just seems better to me
topaz latch
i take the other stam point as mt aswell. idk 2% haste just seems better to me
isnt that just one point now?
keen vine
it is
fading tide
Could u swap indom for battering ram for mythic plus
sour flicker
finally
small steeple
Could u swap indom for battering ram for mythic plus
Once you get 4pc,100%
round thicket
I want to take Champions Spear talent, what is the dps loss if i remove thunderous words in AOE ? Do you know ? Not sure which talent remove instead
sour flicker
I want to take Champions Spear talent, what is the dps loss if i remove thundero...
just sim it out
small steeple
I want to take Champions Spear talent, what is the dps loss if i remove thundero...
Do you mean taking spear with roar?
frosty mango
I want to take Champions Spear talent, what is the dps loss if i remove thundero...
The loss here will be highly dependent on how you pull
If you are pulling large packs the entire dungeon then dropping tw would probably add up to quite a bit of damage lost over the course of an entire dungeon but for a single fight like a boss you can sim that with varied fight times
slender bison
Due to the fast pace of pwar how do you feel about groups with rogues?
Game rewards chain pulls a ton as long as group is healthy and heal mana is ok. And DPS just wanna zug
slow forge
Which shield do we craft?
violet ginkgo
frosty mango
Due to the fast pace of pwar how do you feel about groups with rogues?
You only need to drop combat for like 1 second
You will gain far more net dps by just letting combat drop for a sec then hitting the next pack
small steeple
No, and honestly the only reason vdh made it was because of the influx of players. I believe last season prot pally discord made one becuase of the player influx
hardy snow
Do you have something like that for port warrior ?
It's gonna hurt? Send SW, no SW or its spellblockable? Send spellblock instead, no SW/SB up? Demo shout/Last stand/imp victory. Thats all
frosty mango
Keep shield block up
If phys - shield wall
If magic - spell reflect/spell block
Ignore pain make healer go ooh-la-la
If group dying press rally
If you dying press last stand
Thank you for reading my warrior defensive guide
slender bison
It's gonna hurt? Send SW, no SW or its spellblockable? Send spellblock instead, ...
More like strat for 7s
For high keys you need to cluster defensives and heal needs to be smart
Când survive BigMomma with only SW in 13s
buoyant sparrow
As colossus revenge is our major rage dump right? For big dam
small steeple
My first heroic Sprocketmonger. Would Execute MT do even more on him? I used the Col Execute build here
frosty mango
As colossus revenge is our major rage dump right? For big dam
Yes you generally will choose between revenge and ignore pain, depending on how badly you’re getting the shit kicked out of you
small steeple
Yes you generally will choose between revenge and ignore pain, depending on how ...
not really, only cast IP if your about to overcap on rage
buoyant sparrow
Thanks. I finally got the courage to run something over a 2. Felt like I had a ton of rage since my IP was capped
slender bison
The best way to see if you're a good tank is go to ML 3rd boss with a PuG healer. Good luck
small steeple
Otherwise its always revenge, and having enough rage for SB
frosty mango
not really, only cast IP if your about to overcap on rage
In higher level keys there are definitely times when you are slamming ip over revenge
In lower level keys yes you can just zug revenge for comical levels of damage
small steeple
In higher level keys there are definitely times when you are slamming ip over re...
In this scenario, what is "higher level" for you?
hardy snow
For high keys you need to cluster defensives and heal needs to be smart
For high keys you should already have experience from playing lower keys and knowing how and when your CDs rotates for specific tankbusters or other dangers
small steeple
For high keys you should already have experience from playing lower keys and kno...
^
frosty mango
In this scenario, what is "higher level" for you?
I’d say 14 is where I started noticing that I need to IP more to keep myself healthy?
slender bison
For high keys you should already have experience from playing lower keys and kno...
You don't survive some tank busters alone. See above
It's not Dragonflight anymore
It's just math, not experience
frosty mango
For example on any key at 13/14+ with stacking debuffs you can’t clear im full sending ip
Cinderbrew mean mug comes to mind if the pack takes too long to die, a few floodgate pulls too
slender bison
ML 13 3rd boss hits for 6M fire every second after your mitigation. Kinda insane
small steeple
ML 13 3rd boss hits for 6M fire every second after your mitigation. Kinda insane
Motherlode 3rd boss is an anomaly as it literally only does unblockable magic damage
frosty mango
ML 13 3rd boss hits for 6M fire every second after your mitigation. Kinda insane
You can game this by staying in melee range as much as possible and when she casts searing is very predictable so you can wall/reflect to help a lot
slender bison
After mitigation aka 20% MDR + IP - that's all you got
+6% if you talented
Kinda insane boss, wants to be kited lmao
frosty mango
If you get out of melee she spams that searing Azerite shit
slender bison
And usually heals come with CD down after Mastermind fights
small steeple
In higher level keys there are definitely times when you are slamming ip over re...
For refrence, I'm not saying never cast IP, just that in most scenarios and situations, even in high keys, casting it only to avoid wasting rage is generally enough. There are ofc outliers and bosses/pulls where you need to cast more IP
frosty mango
Otherwise she does it on the pull and at the end of every cycle (right before you move)
frosty mango
For refrence, I'm not saying never cast IP, just that in most scenarios and situ...
Fair
The game is trolling me and gave me house of cards on the only character I don’t want it on
slender bison
For refrence, I'm not saying never cast IP, just that in most scenarios and situ...
Sometimes I dunno if you guys are talking about 7s or 14s
Game turns into IP spam after 12
frosty mango
Game turns into IP spam after 12
I dunno about spam
But definitely a lot more often
slender bison
Blood channel mobs if Floodgate is IP spam, else you die
Collosus dmg plateaus after 13s since you die if you don't dump rage into IP
grave dock
Hey , got little problem … I feel bored at prot pala and a bit squishy and thinking about changing to prot war . How is compared now with pala ?
lofty warren
Despite this archon m+ tier list I'm only mad if it's a hpal or healer dragon in my group
potent basin
Hey , got little problem … I feel bored at prot pala and a bit squishy and think...
Prot paladin is better than Prot warrior, but Prot warrior is more durable if that’s what your looking for
grave dock
Prot pala got much more utility …
potent basin
It does, that’s what makes it better
But Prot warrior is much more durable
Atleast to physical damage
slender bison
Prot paladin is better than Prot warrior, but Prot warrior is more durable if th...
Are you in 0.1% of players to make that statement?
fleet flicker
potent basin
Are you in 0.1% of players to make that statement?
Do I need to be in the 0.1% to be able to understand the tanks strengths and weaknesses?
cyan bronze
small steeple
Are you in 0.1% of players to make that statement?
For the record, especially for tanks, there are some of the guide writers who have never gotten m+ title. Does that mean their opinion is worthless?
mortal cypress
Some of the guide writers for tanks hate the class discords
Dorky says it all the time
small steeple
Are you referring to Kyrasis? I value his opinion way more than Archeus/wohead/iceyveins for bdk
small steeple
Which part?
strong forum
man is literally a lexicon of misinformation
small steeple
He literally has statistical models and regressions for his reasoning. How is that misinformation?
strong forum
cuz theyre faulty
small steeple
How? I’ve yet to see an argument beyond “they’re faulty”. I would actually love to see one
rain light
reject guides, follow vibes
strong forum
mans only explanation why something is good or bad is "because i said so"
his models have cells that refer to themselves
potent basin
I genuinely don’t understand why people are like “are you in the top 0.1% to make that claim”
strong forum
there was extensive work done against his models in SL
"if youre not the racecar driver how come you can know about the mechanics of the car"
potent basin
If I was in the 0.1% I wouldn’t be playing Prot warrior
solid sun
Who is a lexicon of misinformation
small steeple
mans only explanation why something is good or bad is "because i said so"
From what I understand, all of his suggestions are based on key success rate. He literally suggests what talents have the strongest correlation with timed keys
solid sun
Kyrasis? Never heard of them. If I have a bdk question I refer to Mandl/blood channel in the discy
strong forum
From what I understand, all of his suggestions are based on key success rate. He...
thasts not how data works
youd need 10s of thousands
of points of data
not 10-15
small steeple
thasts not how data works
I am literally a statistician. He has thousands of data points
strong forum
when theres only like 5 people playing keys on bdk
either way
his info is barely info
small steeple
I mean blatantly wrong, and he uses logged runs.
bitter crater
i think what he wants to say is that when player A does 100 successfull runs and player B and C only 10 then his data doesnt check if from the 120 runs 100 were done by the same player
strong forum
same group and everytrhing
tropic tangle
how many other factors could also play into key success
strong forum
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than talents
solid sun
Is this similar to all the Venge players running aldrachi even though the other one is a certified blaster hero talent tree
strong forum
yea
tropic tangle
actual mechanical skill
bitter crater
especially taken that when you watch a stream of one of these top players and when he gets asked why he runs talent X and his answer is "huh, i'm just used to it and i like it. i dont think its a good talent but i'm just so used to how it feels"
tropic tangle
group, some level of rng
solid sun
I saw a video recently where it was brought up that like, class discords operate a lot on theoretical stuff whereas other sources operate more on practical stuff. The math wizards here can tell you what talents or whatever are mathematically superior but that doesn’t always match what “top tier” gamers practice when they’re actually doing the keys
How real is that? Are the people not following the math just 100% wrong?
Or is there good reason to follow the vibe check even if the math says not to?
strong forum
if you like it more
plya it
its a game
the practiucality thing is
flat out wroing
small steeple
This guide was created for BDKs (Blood Death Knights) progressing in challenging M+ (Mythic+) dungeons (+8’s and above); some recommendations presented herein were not made for use in raid or PvP scenarios, which can have different priorities and considerations. Furthermore, it assumes the user is capable of playing a BDK reasonably well and that they are able to obtain reasonably competitive gear. Furthermore, the use of all tier set bonuses is generally assumed.
While this guide was primarily made with +8 and higher key levels in mind, the recommendations (particularly those concerned with playstyle) can also be used for success in key levels below this point
His data set concist of all logs of dungeons at 8 or higher for his season 1 regression analysis
shut summit
I saw a video recently where it was brought up that like, class discords operate...
both sides like to reee about the other, there is merit in both points of view and vehemently defending one side is just bad imo
strong forum
^
small steeple
Unless there is only 15 players posting the 10's of thousands of runs, I'd say thats plenty of data points. I'm not going to say more, I don't want to start an arguement. I just dislike how quick people are to dismiss and attack the other
mighty valley
small talent changes < getting practice and having friends who are good at the game
the end
small steeple
small talent changes < getting practice and having friends who are good at the g...
100%
bitter crater
id say the truth is always somewhere in between. if something is grossly mathematically better ppl will switch naturally since it is "feelable" but if its only 1-2% ppl will play whatever feels best for them
strong forum
its also fed by no interaction
between the 2 groups
its just hearsay
between twitch chat and discord
not actual conversation
tropic tangle
yeah, good example for me is trying to play totemic enh this season - if you can play it comparably, witch doctor is a significant increase over flowing spirits
but I'm a washed oldhead, and adding another CD to track / button press feels just outside of my current ability to play it
strong forum
frost witch is easy tho
tropic tangle
so I perform better in general using the passive talent
tropic tangle
oh yeah, frost witch is fine
strong forum
okay i thought it was just a language barrier thing
tropic tangle
this is the passive vs active spirit wolves
tropic tangle
you do for totemic
strong forum
yaya ye
had to log onto my enha to check which ones specifically
i dont like the rng wolves
dmg swings are random af
tropic tangle
true - but I just deal 😄
tried real hard to play active wolves, something about it just pushes me into overload, start dying everywhere / screwing up the other windows with sunder/pwave
minor forum
Question, forgot to check back the last time I asked this. Do we sit battle stance anymore?
oak ivy
small steeple
Currently theres no negative to D stance, besides not having the crit bonus that Bstance has (if that even counts), so unless you want to amp your damage more and feel safe, there is no reason to go to Bstance
minor forum
Oooooo. I forgot dstance used to nerf us lol
mighty valley
I only really use bstance when I'm in absolutely zero danger whatsoever
delves/raiding farm stuff/helping friends in small keys etc
small steeple
Honetly, I forget to swap to bstance even when i'm not tanking in raid
mighty valley
there's optimization to be had where you hop in and out depending on when damage is low but like... 3% crit is often not worth the mental load in content where you're having to use your brain
small steeple
yeah. Raid tanking is generally easy but you still gotten focus
minor forum
I had been in Bstance this whole time and I just started 12s yesterday
sharp gale
I saw a video recently where it was brought up that like, class discords operate...
I saw the video too, you have to keep in mind people have bias (the video emphasizes on stereotypical imagery), yeah it happens that math is wrong with real practice, that’s why you don’t follow blindly sims on context needy stuff
If you followed sim last season you would have played colossus in m+
I don’t need to say more
mighty valley
who posted this video, i kinda wanna see it
sharp gale
dear god...
The argument made about the topic is just class discord hate cheat deaths or smth else so they are annoying basically
It is something recurrent in the podcast
So I would say the stereotype is kinda true in some dudes, bc I witnessed so many ganks on someone asking something about BSV
lusty grotto
I watch poddyc
But a lot of their bias against discords is unfounded
We don't hate dorki here
sharp gale
Yes but the bias has arguments outside the bias Nim
lusty grotto
He's one of the few streamer tanks that actually plays warrior correctly consistently
sharp gale
S1 some were OBNOXIOUS against BSV
lusty grotto
Naowh also at times
toxic pewter
Discords are ahead of the mainstream when it comes to most things in my opinion. For example we been playing haste crit for literally over a year before now everyone doin it and versa lords losing their minds when Nome was speaking truth. Many more examples too
lusty grotto
Yeah but see that's the problem
livid pivot
guys, what is shield blokc max duration ?
lusty grotto
Dorki, etc are mdi/tgp players
vale escarp
24 seconds
lusty grotto
A lot of what they say exists in their circles only
So it's hard for us to help them in any way, most of our advice won't fit
livid pivot
24 seconds
So you can sstack 24 second duration before it's wasted ? Does shield block and shield charge stack ? Like it adds to each tohers ?
sharp gale
I think he got harassed by 1 or 2 dudes so everyone takes
toxic pewter
If you have bolster can get up to 39 seconds in theory
lusty grotto
I think he got harassed by 1 or 2 dudes so everyone takes
Yeah that's understandable
sharp gale
That’s my thinking bc when he explains I’m like wtf on few things
sharp gale
Like streamer - non member hatin
I was, yeah I saw 1-2 dudes here doing that, but not really a lot
lusty grotto
I haven't watched or heard that episodes, I'm like 2 episodes behind
I'll get back to you when I do
But usually, their view is tank discords only care about damage, and they ain't wrong
But the reality is that people here are not in the extreme top end
And even when we suggest defensive options, which are backed by math, they are not considered versus feelcraft options
See treemouth vs fyraak heart
wide charm
It's a community thing in general, not just discord
lusty grotto
Yeah
wide charm
People put a lot of value on tank dmg and it's real weird
lusty grotto
Just different perspectives clashing
I don't think it's weird like I just explained
We're not in the bleeding edge of "will I survive"
sharp gale
But it is fun to hear stereotypes you can recognize / the point of the video, good episode imo
wide charm
Don't get me wrong, it's great to have but it shouldn't be top priority... and many seem to think if you are parsing 95+ you're good
When in reality you are just in battle stance and hitting IP less and execute more and making it your healers problem.
sharp gale
I don’t watch every episodes / when I’m raid logging idc about wow
lusty grotto
And 99% of the people here are nowhere near the level of a dorki, or a kira
In terms of damage taken
So why not focus on damage when everything we do is survivable
lusty grotto
Don't get me wrong, it's great to have but it shouldn't be top priority... and m...
Yeah but thats a related point, I'm talking in more general terms
Something along the lines of parse cheesing
small steeple
Why is Col used for Sprocketmonger? Isn't MT execute build more damage than the Col Execute build in st, which Sprocketmonger is?
lusty grotto
Which is kinda looked down upon here believe it or not
jagged pier
Why is Col used for Sprocketmonger? Isn't MT execute build more damage than the ...
nope
lusty grotto
Despite the memeing the other day
long bronze
also swapping between something you're playing super regularly to a different spec for a niche fight for very marginal difference is probably CBA for majority of people
sharp gale
Why is Col used for Sprocketmonger? Isn't MT execute build more damage than the ...
Both are way closer (relative to my disc name which is 5t sim of my char) on ST, but col is still ahead
small steeple
nope
Can you elaborate more? I was under the impression from Nome that with execute in particular, that MT did more damage? That's why he reccomonds that for One-armed bandit and mug'zee? Or was that wrong
long bronze
those were also early season takes
jagged pier
u can do more during execute phase as thane
because u have more rage
u dont do more damage
sharp gale
Yeah executed don’t matter as much now when it doesn’t last that much
jagged pier
long bronze
yeah but what if you make the fight 45 minutes long eh
sharp gale
Sprocket dies before it matter now
sharp gale
The difference is so low