protection

[small steeple]

single target lazer chicken, lel

[round pendant]

Man I feel like Arms is kinda weak

buff arms

[cerulean burrow]

late to the last stand discussion (although i agree it could be better) lets say you have 15 mill health (going off my own im at like 14.5 or something) and you are at half health, hitting it heals you for 4.5mill which.. isnt nothing but definitely not earth shattering by any means on what is it a 3 min cd

[long bronze]

the lower target cap feels bad sometimes in huge pulls but I've had fun when I get to play it

[round pendant]

Last Stand's best use is for last week's affix

[long bronze]

last stand not being on AM makes it pretty cheeks

[jagged gust]

arms shines in ST, low count aoe, and high count aoe, it's just that sweet zone of 4-5 targets that makes you wish you were fury (Your tank will always pull opposite of the spec you chose)

[cerulean burrow]

yeah i basically use it as a self stabilization button but not an oh shit button like someone pointed out cuz if youre out at that then you got bigger problems

[round pendant]

when I'm playing arms I'm with my premade which has a ww and udk

and in most of the dungeons I just come third

there's one or two where I'm #1 tho

[lusty grotto]

why?? arms is fucking sending it hard this season

whats even wrong with it lmao

[round pendant]

and if you look at dungeon parses (I know) I'm performing around 90% for my spec in those keys but they're at around 60-80

yet they're still out dpsing me

[lusty grotto]

i doubt that

[round pendant]

yeah I just came in here to lie to your face

[urban bane]

yo true

[small steeple]

arms is no longer best st execute 😢 its now sin

[jagged gust]

yams are truly the most duplicitous root

[lusty grotto]

lets see here

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-hmm-thinking-praying-pepe-the-frog-gif-15411715

[round cliff]

hoes mad

[jagged gust]

critcake isn't real

[round cliff]

i still want melee heroic throw

[thin marten]

finally, the most useful dungeon trinkets

[round pendant]

yeah just compare me to critcake

[long bronze]

why are we linking points "parses"

[round cliff]

wtf do u mean uptime

[lusty grotto]

hmmmm

the whole point is that there's nothing wrong with Arms

[jagged gust]

sofie inting to make arms look better

[urban bane]

Never knew Discord added a powerpoint feature wow

[small steeple]

inting?

[lusty grotto]

yeah inting

[jagged gust]

In online gaming, "inting" is short for "intentionally feeding," meaning a player deliberately throws the game by playing in a way that benefits the enemy team, such as recklessly charging into enemy territory or repeatedly dying

[small steeple]

I feel like I asked that before but still don't remember what it means

[small steeple]

oh, I've always called that throwing

[jagged gust]

same potato

[round cliff]

@jagged gust will u explain why tome is better st than mt

nimchip hates me now

[round pendant]

tbh I might be biased and only remembering the keys in where what I said was true

classic

[lusty grotto]

youre an idiot

and someone explained it back then, learn to read

[urban bane]

LOL

Toxic

[small steeple]

Aggressive. I don't even know what the context is but damn

[karmic stream]

why angry 😭

[round cliff]

"we have to keep the range restriction on heroic throw because we have to ok"

hoes mad

[cerulean burrow]

oh so now reading is a requirement to play warrior

[urban bane]

The discord demon at it again

[cerulean burrow]

first nerfs now this

[round cliff]

cuz i said heroic throw shouldn't have range restriction lol

and he got hella pissy

calling me an idiot over it

[small steeple]

LMAO

[urban portal]

It’s got a st damage proc

[lusty grotto]

in the middle of a conversation about utility

[jagged gust]

Well you see Tome stack go high when smacky smacky many times, smacky too fast and cant control tome, pages turn and warrior get lost in book, DPS go down.

[karmic stream]

i know im asking him why is he angry

[round pendant]

Why is the heroic throw conversation back

[round cliff]

because holds grudges idk

hoes mad..

[lusty grotto]

the most idiotic thing, as if heroic throw actually did anything of relevance

[lusty grotto]

do you have logs?

[round cliff]

yet you still haven't given a valid reason to keep the throw range

[lusty grotto]

why havent you posted them

[round cliff]

curious

[karmic stream]

i dont XD

[round cliff]

almost as if the game wouldn't break if it was removed...

[urban portal]

The reason is so that we don’t have to use it as a part of our rotation

[lusty grotto]

why ask about IP uptime?

[round cliff]

we wouldn't anyways

[lusty grotto]

we were talking about GAG ORDER

[small steeple]

Who said anything about IP uptime?

[round cliff]

we're mostly gcd locked

[small steeple]

I'm confused

[karmic stream]

cuz i can? take ur pills lmao

[lusty grotto]

keep up Badkad

[jagged gust]

Anyone have advice on gathering first pull of floodgate as a mechagnome who's too short to heroic throw the pack of soldiers without getting LOS'd by the floor?

[round cliff]

nimchip loves to assume the convo is about things other than what it is lmao

[lusty grotto]

#protection message here you go @small steeple

[round cliff]

the convo is about what he says it's about

[small steeple]

im trying okay

[round cliff]

not what it is

just like the heroic throw convo

[urban portal]

You would

[lusty grotto]

brother we were talking about Gag Order

[urban portal]

Empty gcds

[urban bane]

Man the chat was more chill when Nimchip was on sabbatical from being resident not-mod. But it is more entertaining now that he's back!

[lusty grotto]

who the fuck cares about a range restriction

[urban portal]

Especially on arms

[round cliff]

who's we? not me

[jagged gust]

nim is a vibe

[lusty grotto]

then dont butt in with your dumb takes

[urban portal]

Dh already throw glaive on empty gcd even on demon surge

It’s the same

[round cliff]

you call my take dumb yet im right

curious

[thin marten]

it's throwing but for leaguebabbies

[round cliff]

prot no empty gcd if u play right

[urban portal]

That’s just not true

[lusty grotto]

you're "right"? lol

okay

[urban portal]

Even sims have 1.6% downtime

[round cliff]

yea im right

[urban portal]

On average

[round cliff]

fair

[urban portal]

I would rather that not be filled with throw

[round cliff]

im bad so i have more than that

[jovial cradle]

hello, question for everyone. why is Trashmaster's Mantle considered BiS over something else with crit/haste or other stat distribution for the cloak slot?

[urban portal]

It’s gonna be more on arms

[lusty grotto]

no because heroic throw does nothing

[urban portal]

I will not be heroic throwing for damage on arms

[round cliff]

just what sims best with those other items

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt hit as hard as glaive, it doesnt have any interaction with any talent

[small steeple]

If this is only about if heroic throw should or should not have a minimum range, I think the better question would be why it even has one in the first place?

[lusty grotto]

putting it in melee range is just an unneeded and unwanted change

[round cliff]

yes. that's what im saying
and then nim calls me an idiot for it

what can you do

[round pendant]

no log so can't help but 113 IPs in 28 minutes is a little low imo

[round cliff]

i want it

obviously not unwanted

[lusty grotto]

in the realm of asking things that we actually need, we want heroic throw to have its limitation removed

fucking insane

[karmic stream]

+agree, gotta press more

[urban bane]

nimchip doesnt think you count as a human to be clear

[round cliff]

because we have to choose only one thing we want

[urban bane]

because of this take

[round cliff]

can only ask blizz for one thing ..

[round pendant]

Why the fuck is nimchip so angry over this?

[round cliff]

i know it's funny

[karmic stream]

We need two stacks on heroic leap

[round pendant]

and fruit keeps egging him on

can you both shut the fuck up

[urban bane]

🪤

[round pendant]

sorry

[small steeple]

Heroic throw hits harder than throw glaive (for vdh)

[urban bane]

The rat takes the cheese every time

[round cliff]

i wouldve forgotten about this take long ago

but nimchip being so pissy keeps me going

what can i say

[round pendant]

Yeah we all want to forget about it

[round cliff]

hey i forgot about it

nimchip brought it up for no reason when i asked a question about tome

[jagged gust]

guys 'member double leap?

[round cliff]

blame him for being a pissbaby over it

[urban bane]

[karmic stream]

its necessary, vdh has too many jumps

[lusty grotto]

did you miss all the talents that modify throw glaive?

can you list all the talents that modify heroic throw?

[round cliff]

id say i want double leap... but i already staked my claim in heroic throw range and we can only ask blizz for one thing

[lusty grotto]

spoken like someone with 0 DH exp

[round cliff]

[steep minnow]

Can yall go kiss in DMs with this useless discussion?

[lusty grotto]

nah

hes an idiot

and thats that

[round cliff]

id get blocked if i tried

[long bronze]

heroic throw should cleave I rest my case

[small steeple]

none of them change its damage (again, for vdh), and also, I have almost if not more time on vdh then prot war soooo

[lusty grotto]

soooo did you miss the part throw glaives bounces???

[round cliff]

"i need to insult someone over the internet because of removing the range restriction on an ability nobody presses"

[lusty grotto]

which is an integral part

[round cliff]

big man asserts his dominance

he's so smart ...

everyone needs to know how smart nimchip is

[lusty grotto]

yeah at least i know why Tome is better in ST

[long bronze]

[small steeple]

"doest hit as hard as throw glaive"

[jagged gust]

You stick with the throw thing, I'll cover leap and now we just need someone to bitch about glad stance

[round pendant]

Yeah double leap would be nice qol but I'd sacrifice that for heroic throw range restriction being removed

every time

[round cliff]

we're all on the same page then

🙏

[lusty grotto]

fucking clowns

[round pendant]

can we stop baiting nimchip

fuck

[cerulean burrow]

so whens the reading test to type in chat happening

[small steeple]

I literally was responding to your point here @lusty grotto, and provided emperical evience that it was wrong. That is all

[lusty grotto]

i dont give a fuck

[small steeple]

I am done

[lusty grotto]

you missed the point where it bounces

on any given time it'll do more damage than heroic throw

[round cliff]

not in st

[small steeple]

Not in single target

[lusty grotto]

who gives a flying fuck about single target lmao

[round pendant]

I mean he's missed the point where you specifically stated it has interactions with talents and that's why it's stronger

[round cliff]

us obvi

[lusty grotto]

does heroic throw cleave??

[round cliff]

it could?

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/make-it-bounce-robert-geraldino-robertidk-jump-leap-gif-18315448

[round cliff]

they could introduce this when they remove the range restriction

[lusty grotto]

well it did, in DF

[round pendant]

that was fun

[round cliff]

ah but it still had the range restriction then

[round pendant]

kinda useless but fun

[round cliff]

why?

[small steeple]

No, I just hadn't had a chance to addresses that. I was merely attempting to correct the part of the statement that was wrong. He is absolutely right about glaive having talent interactions

[round pendant]

If you read the message, he used a comma and not a full stop

they weren't two separate statements

[lusty grotto]

are you though?

[round pendant]

one relies on the other for context

[small steeple]

LMAO That 1st a hero tree talent, second not even taken by vdh

[round pendant]

try replacing the comma with "because"

[lusty grotto]

???

autism

i swear

[jagged gust]

one must imagine Sisyphus happy

[urban portal]

Throw glaive was pressed as filler even before there were talents modifying it

[round pendant]

so you can cry about it ig

[urban portal]

@sweet summit icu

[round pendant]

blizzard hates you

[sweet summit]

what did you mean by this

[round cliff]

me and me specifically

[sweet summit]

p

[urban portal]

How come everyone is graduating

[lusty grotto]

tier sets

[urban portal]

What did you do

[sweet summit]

life goes on

[small steeple]

indeed

[sweet summit]

I play no part in this i swear

[small steeple]

Regardless, yeah both are honestly terrible buttons

[round pendant]

Throw Glaive has had modifiers to it affecting its damage for years

[lusty grotto]

whether its picked or not, is not relevant

the question was if there were talents modifying it, is that not a talent modifier?

[jagged gust]

damn imagine 20 rage on throw

[lusty grotto]

also tier sets

especially DF tier sets

[urban bane]

🪨 🗻 😌

[lusty grotto]

just wants to constantly correct myself

just looks up wowhead and archon data

[cerulean burrow]

so whens the reading test to type in chat happening

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[sweet summit]

oh I wish

[jagged gust]

I got the sparknotes, 10 bucks

[ruby musk]

My take away from this is that we can leap away, throw an axe while simultaenously charging to race it back into the mob pack and carry on like it never happened.

[lusty grotto]

hmm

when heroic throw gets any modifiers

ill consider the range restriction removal option as something good

[round pendant]

axe is faster than the gcd

[lusty grotto]

ANY modifier

at all

tier

talents

any

[round cliff]

heroic strikes ... minor grammar mistake...

i win

[sweet summit]

it has increased threat modifier :chatting:

[round pendant]

nim's boomer is showing

[ruby musk]

I never said I would win the race.

[round pendant]

he said heroic strike

[round cliff]

nonono not that kind of modifier

only the kind nim likes

silly

[small steeple]

never said there wasn't the only point I tried to argue was throw glaive doing more damage than heroic throw. Literally it

[sweet summit]

whoopsies :3

[round cliff]

:3

[long bronze]

HOW ABOUT THAT REVENGE DAMAGE

[round pendant]

Can we like ban people for baiting arguments

[long bronze]

BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[round pendant]

this is annoying at this point

[lusty grotto]

so youre admitting to nitpicking

[urban bane]

Does this count as baiting an argument?

[round pendant]

yes

[urban bane]

[round cliff]

i think it's a genuine discussion

civil

with only one side throwing insults!

[round pendant]

Yeah that's why you're being dense as fuck on purpose to make nim madder

it's so genuine

[round cliff]

i have never stated anything but my genuine opinion

[long bronze]

I got a myth pacemaker from my vault fellas

and I can't even use it

[round cliff]

why not

[long bronze]

it's worse than arcano-core amplifier until I shove like 45 crests into it

[small steeple]

I would say it does not, because it was not done in a way that was meant to intentionally annoy people

[round cliff]

45 crests not much tho

that's like 3 dungeons

[long bronze]

I mean

I've spent all my crests

already

[round cliff]

not hoarding them..

[long bronze]

no

[round cliff]

couldn't be me

[long bronze]

why would I do that

I have like 7 myth items

let me count

[round cliff]

because what if i get myth pacemaker

..

[long bronze]

I have 6 myth items and 3 675 crafts

my crests have been well spent

[round cliff]

im hoarding my 3rd spark too

just in case

™️

[round pendant]

I can't get over how obnoxiously slow the cap increase is

also why are valorstones still a thing

[round cliff]

you know what else is obnoxiously slow...........

[round pendant]

your brain

we know

[round cliff]

rude

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-maiden-number-of-the-beast-gif-1963946886143579003

[languid heath]

el diablo

[sweet summit]

miter beast

[round cliff]

see doesn't that count as baiting an argument

bannable offense

?

[long bronze]

shush

[sweet summit]

mods

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-around-spin-low-tier-god-banned-meme-gif-5036928470605203424

[long bronze]

I wonder if I should recraft to duskthread I have negatative vers

[round cliff]

ur gonna get like 1/9th of a point of vers

from double duskthread

[jagged gust]

I'm closing in on perfect stats, it's beautiful

[long bronze]

I have 1300 vers and i'd have like 585 if I swapped my cape

[jagged gust]

18k haste, 18k crit, 4k vers, 4k mastery is the dream

[round cliff]

im sitting at like 5% vers lmao

[long bronze]

it's value has skyrocketed

[round cliff]

idk how much that is

[long bronze]

in my sim

[round cliff]

ignore the sim

more haste

more better

[toxic pewter]

Trashmaster detected

[long bronze]

no

[round cliff]

i love being the trashmaster

[long bronze]

gloves and some delve cape

[toxic pewter]

Oh lmao

I thought trashmaster has like 1200 versa or some crap that’s why I thought it

[long bronze]

yeah you'd be right except tier gloves

[toxic pewter]

Ahh

[pallid quiver]

You must be purged. Any good soul would understand.

May the powers at be have mercy on your wretched soul.

[half jewel]

I can't get a trashmaster to drop. Only see the same shit that isn't that cloak every run.

[long bronze]

I've gotten 3 kujo's

🙂

[round cliff]

i didn't even know kujos was real until i saw so many people get it this week

[half jewel]

I just got one as warbound on Monday lol

[round cliff]

i haven't seen it drop in a chest

or any of my vaults

[long bronze]

look at this cursed stuff, I've invested too heavily into crit/haste

[lusty grotto]

i havent seen a fucking Tome

[half jewel]

My alts got Jastor's and bombsuit from weekly last week. Main got the damn heavyweight belt lol

I got a champ tome and haven't seen shit else

[round cliff]

u still don't have tome?

[long bronze]

what 18500 crit and haste does to a mfer

[round cliff]

id just farm nonstop for it

tbh

unless u mean myth tome

[half jewel]

They nerfed right side, maybe it won't be so shitty to farm now lol

[jagged gust]

fuck tome

[lusty grotto]

have you tried it?

[jagged gust]

no shot im farming priory just for a ST trinket

[lusty grotto]

i gotta try it today

[round cliff]

i love tome i understand why it's better in st

:3

[lusty grotto]

because the more you get hit, the faster you auto swap

[round cliff]

yes

[lusty grotto]

in aoe = more hits = swap faster

uptime

[half jewel]

not since the nerf but I did right side before I started doing 10s and I enjoyed it way more. But no one would let me go right in 10+ 🤣

[lusty grotto]

you want sword uptime

[round cliff]

yes i know

i was told

[lusty grotto]

you want it to last

[round cliff]

i read

[lusty grotto]

not to auto swap in a short amount of time

ok hopefully you connected the dots with the uptime thing

[round cliff]

no i didn't i was told by knifeman

:3

[lusty grotto]

ok but i just said it

"you want sword uptime"

[cerulean burrow]

im ready for the reading test

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[round cliff]

i pull slow because pugs are braindead so i usually am not stuck in armor mode for long

[lusty grotto]

oh

[round cliff]

thats y

i was confused

[half jewel]

I really want a pacemaker but I got a champ mechano core last week so I am holding on to that until I get a myth one I guess.

[round cliff]

i can see why uptime would be bad if ur pulling harder

[jagged gust]

honestly they don't sim as far off as one would imagine

[long bronze]

mechano is rediculous

[jagged gust]

for how much we glaze pacemaker

[lusty grotto]

anyway the tome convo was kind of weird because just because tome is "better in ST" does not mean its fucking bad in aoe

it just means its better than itself in a different setting, not compared to other trinkets

[half jewel]

I had to swap off of it later in the night cuz healers said taking off scrap trinket made me squishier

[long bronze]

I run tome so I can beat dps on boss fights

[lusty grotto]

good good

[long bronze]

[lusty grotto]

thats the best reason to use it

[long bronze]

my favorite boss is the rock guy in motherload

demolish the empowered add every time

[jagged gust]

Anything that spawned something chunky I could cleave off with the meat shield affix

suddenly 3 target revenge spam

[round cliff]

healer problem tbh

[long bronze]

glorious

[round cliff]

(genuinely)

[long bronze]

demolish feels like I'm dropping a tac nuke

[cunning oriole]

Does Spell Block help with Sprockets Pyro Party Pack dmg?

[long bronze]

yeah

[half jewel]

it was good for H Gally prog since we had healers who don't normally heal in as fillers. But we killed it so I am happy

[round cliff]

that's what we're on rn

h gally dies tomorrow

or rather

it better or i gquit

[pallid quiver]

i should maybe even enter h raid at all

[lusty grotto]

maybe

[round cliff]

plan tomorrow is h gally and m vexie

should be achievable i HOPE

[lusty grotto]

what are you wiping on

bombs?

i doubt its the overlap at this point

the soak overlap is stupid tbh

[round cliff]

gonna be real im not raid lead so im not paying attention

[half jewel]

vexie is easier than I thought

[lusty grotto]

dont even know why its a thing

[round cliff]

me and cotank figured out soaks and duds

[half jewel]

We got it to 3% on our 3rd pull

[round cliff]

that's all i care abt

for rn

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk vexie feels easier than ulgrox

idk why people said otherwise

[round cliff]

we're consistently bursting gally down to 70% and somebody keeps eating glue during the transition to phase 2 after bomb is deposited

that's the wipe point rn

[lusty grotto]

i suppose its due to people not doing filling bikes or brain afk

oh

yeah that's super common

[half jewel]

Yea we had some people trying to soak oil more than once after getting it and then not filling bikes because they wanted to tunnel boss at the end. We wiped to the exhaust.

[lusty grotto]

my biggest peeve is people with oil just panic drop it wherever

just. drop. it. behind. her.

[round cliff]

u drop it behind?

we're dropping it in mid so bikers go thru it

[lusty grotto]

sure

[round cliff]

we haven't looked up strats tho

[lusty grotto]

both work

[round cliff]

so idk if that's right

a

[round pendant]

idk tome kinda feels meh to me

[half jewel]

We did what Liquid showed in their kill and it was super easy. Keep boss in the middle with marks on the sides

[round cliff]

ok

[round pendant]

there I said it

[lusty grotto]

its just people panic drop it wherever except the one place we agreed we would drop it

absolutely makes my blood boil

[half jewel]

Another issue we had was people filling up random bikes and a bunch of them being at 1/2 instead of filling up ones already with oil in them to throw at boss

[solid sun]

My raid group wiped for 1.5 hours on heroic sprocket last night and we haven’t started stix prog yet. We are down horrendous

[lusty grotto]

yeah that too

[half jewel]

Looking forward to getting M vexie and hopefully Cauldron down tonight for that sexy vault slot

[surreal lodge]

probably the info is not out. but is it safe to assume we will only get 1 dinars?

[lusty grotto]

ive heard 2

but nothing is certain

that just comes from the PTR version where it was awarded with renown

[surreal lodge]

just doing workplace downtime theory crafting. i think dinars for pushing high keys

bomb suit and maybe eye or house of cards?

or both

i think shield is maybe overrated

[lusty grotto]

and/or shield depending on what you need

[surreal lodge]

for m+

[lusty grotto]

you could just be unlucky

house of cards, bombsuit, kezan and shield are the big ones

[surreal lodge]

assuming u get lucky and get trinket and weps/shields in vault

ring isnt too bad too

[lusty grotto]

ah yes jasper

so 5 items in total

[surreal lodge]

for m+ specifically. i think bomb and either house or ring

if we have 2

[lusty grotto]

im talking about m+ too

kezan is fine in it

[surreal lodge]

shit should i farm renown now?

[lusty grotto]

idk why people disregard kezan

[surreal lodge]

i thought it takes too long to stack

fuck maybe i shouldnt have grabbed myth tome

[lusty grotto]

its literally the same thing as anvil and cataclysmic signet

stop fucking saying that

[half jewel]

Doesn't the stacks decay super hard in M+

[lusty grotto]

theres 0 reason why you wouldnt grab a myth tome

holy shit

[lusty grotto]

#protection message

its like people didnt play DF

[surreal lodge]

i think myth bombsuit is a must later when pushing high keys with the current design where prot may need survivability

[wide charm]

Myth tome is very good. Definitely not a waste whatsoever.
That thing does a huge chunk of my damage ---- and the meters don't account for the crit it is granting you

[half jewel]

I was a healer for all of DF i did fuck all on my warrior cuz I wanted to try being a dragon. It did not stick, healing is not fun most of the time lmao

[wide charm]

It's just a different type of problem solving -- dpsing has been fun this season for me. I haven't DPSd since early legion... realistically since Siege of Orgimmar lol

prot war remains the most fun for me easily

[half jewel]

Yea thats why I am back on it, been playing prot warr since end of TBC and was my main from then until DF

[wide charm]

Did dragon and priest healing in DF, shammy last season --- I think I had the most fun healing on a priest. But shammy was fun too, having an interrupt and lust is very nice

Ahh I played vengeance all of legion and BFA --- you know, when it was mediocre in raid and good in keys

It was kind of fun being like one of only 20-30 VDHs that would get CE in tiers though I'll admit

[half jewel]

Pres was fun when the group was good but infuriating otherwise. I mostly pugged/ solo played in DF cuz I was leading a classic guild

[edgy bloom]

Guys, is worth to use Mountain Thane after this Colossus nerf in M+?

[lusty grotto]

no

but use whatever you feel best with

[heady nimbus]

Hey guys, long time brewmaster main. Just about to hit 80 on my warrior. I don't have any questions. I just want you all to know that I'm a badass orc, now.

I lied, I do have one question. The guides seem to be pretty loose on gear recommendations, aside from tier and stat priority. Is that right?

[rancid tiger]

Orc u lator im a dragon

[lusty grotto]

sims

sims are your gearing guide

anything else is just something to look at, nothing set in stone

except for trinket ranking

which you can see under the bis gear section in the wowhead guide

[quasi jewel]

Pres in pugs is pain. Why did you do that to yourself

[small steeple]

The biggest reason to bring pres was its damage in DFS1 but that got nerfed to the ground didn't it?

[heady nimbus]

Yeah I saw that at least.

The biggest reason to bring pres is that you need a healer and any and all of the healers are good for pushing except hpriest and even then.

[broken cove]

Is anyone able to sim Viscera-trinket from ToP in Top Gear? its only the SL version that pops up, and its not eligible for sim

[lusty grotto]

its bad

[solid sun]

I only sim power bottom gear

[sharp gale]

I was supposed to be the evoker of guild so I did keys as pres for two weeks, I really like it but I said to my rl if I have to do 8 dungeons a week for 2-3 months on that I will end

[lusty grotto]

viscera was sim baiting anyway

its not that good

[solid sun]

Wasn’t viscera good until they slapped it with the tank penalty

[lusty grotto]

good as in mid

but yea

[half jewel]

Warrior brain said pain is good. And I was too lazy to find a guild while running one in a different wow. I suffered enough to get KSM each season and joined my friend's raids to get AOTC each tier. That was enough for me lmao.

[sharp gale]

Tbh the combos to heal gameplay is really fun, but spread healing and 2 t healing is awful

[half jewel]

This season tho I am back to liking pres again like I did last season. But that toon will just be an alt I play to get off of the warrior for a little bit each week.

[sharp gale]

Yeah like me on my rdruid, just to heal chilling in keys

[half jewel]

Raid healing as pres was fun with engulf but once it got nerfed spread healing with chrono warden was just me fighting MW Monks for top of the meter

Which hasn't changed but got harder imo this time lol

[broken cove]

someone put a sim-bait warning next to trinkets on bloodmallet plz

also does anyone know how to sim defensive stance vs battle stance? or does anyone know how big % dmg it is?

[half jewel]

Fights like boobtwister and queen I enjoyed cuz I followed the same pattern as a sort of "dance" each pull and it made the healing nice.

[lusty grotto]

its about 2100 rating

its something but not massive

we bstance'd in DF cause dstance had the dmg penalty

now its so close that its not even worth considering

[broken cove]

oh so i can just go into stat weights and calculate it out actually

[pallid quiver]

Notably, the extra DR is more likely to let you pull bigger, leading to more damage than the crit would

[broken cove]

approx

[lusty grotto]

yeah Luerce has a good point

[pallid quiver]

but if there's no way to actually pull bigger and you don't need the DR, you can slip into battle stance. This mostly means bosses and raid.

[lusty grotto]

but to be fair, we've never let it stop us form pulling bigger

[pallid quiver]

Funny enough, it doesn't mean like most mini-bosses in M+

[broken cove]

yea it was mostly meant for farm bosses

[lusty grotto]

if youre not tanking, by all means

something is better than nothing

its just not something we're considering anymore on actively tanking scenarios

its very minimal

[pallid quiver]

I don't think I spent any time in def stance at all last tier, and I've only been in normal raid this tier once, so I also didn't touch D stance, though I did see some fights where you'd probably just stay in def stance

For raid specifically

[round cliff]

the biggest thing is haste

[pallid quiver]

I'm technically lying because I did go into def stance for ansurek busters, but I just treated it like a CD

[round cliff]

it's not a breakpoint per se

but you "need"/want at least 17000ish

[lusty grotto]

i dont think ive swapped out of dstance in TWW

at all

[pallid quiver]

I start every single login session swapping out of Def Stance just to make a point

i do what i want blizz

[round cliff]

the brainpower used to think about stance swapping is more of a dps loss than u gain from stance swapping

ngl

[pallid quiver]

But I default to battle and swap to defense stance if damage will be coming in notably since it just keeps me thinking about damage intake and where it's coming from.

also is nice for parsing purposes in raid which is the main reason I'd enter raid other than gamba for trinkies

[round cliff]

stay in dstance -> pull bigger -> more dps

[round cliff]

based orc pick

[pallid quiver]

I'll get back to you when I'm allowed to pull 2 raid bosses at the same time

DPS adjust; they're the ones who actually get mechanics anyway

[half jewel]

I wanna figure out how I can parse on Cauldron, it feels like unless I am camping in the middle during the clash I prob won't get any real value just hitting one boss.

[lusty grotto]

just like any dps

well melee dps

hold cds for cleave

3rd demo should be up just shortly before the clash

[half jewel]

I try to be a good boy and stand at the back of the one I am swapping to so I can be ready to be in position sooner.

Next week tho bad boy only 😈

[jagged pier]

parsing is just hoping u get 25% uptime on tier set

at the right time

[lusty grotto]

yeah true

theres no bad boying involved lol

you dont have to preposition for a minute

[half jewel]

I'm not serious lol

I just wanna get in the 90s for every boss, maybe a couple orange

Most of heroic is farm now so I need something for my lizard brain to do

[heady nimbus]

Do yall like anyone for prot VoDs?

[lusty grotto]

sense

[half jewel]

Sense

[heady nimbus]

ty

[half jewel]

his youtube is Sense Nurfed, I tried looking up just "sense" and I found some weird stuff

[jagged pier]

yer its called getting the tier to proc at the right time

theres no skill involved in parses

its all about luck

[half jewel]

Then I got real lucky with my 99 on Rik 🤣 . I just tried to line up the boss with the adds and smack them with demolish.

[jagged pier]

ive had a 300k swing from pull to pull

because 1 i had like 30% uptime the other i had 9%

[chilly brook]

don't take my 99 from me on my devoker 😦

[jagged pier]

no idea about dps

but at least our parses are mostly luck

[pallid quiver]

this is probably why I'm not too fussed with parsing this time around; it can be some real gamba on parsing this time

[jagged pier]

i literally cba

also one tank on mythic is always doing the job where u cant parse

fun

[shut summit]

yep killing boss more important, fuck da parses this tier

[half jewel]

Yea I don't know if I will ever get a good one on Sprocket cuz I always get cucked by void beams and tank bomb

[pallid quiver]

That's part of why I'm not super fond of Mythic parsing, since the mechanics generally means that you're sacrificing someone's experience to try and parse best

I am, however, also biased, since I've been five ever guildless and don't raid Mythic

[violet ginkgo]

because... bad nerf? bad tier set?

[jagged gust]

truly this is why the LFR log is superior

[shut summit]

wat they are talking about above

[pallid quiver]

There isn't an experience in LFR. It is simply the primordial chaos.

[long bronze]

sudden death is also a huge factor on parses

I was looking at Sense's cauldron log from yesterday and he had 22 sudden death procs in 5 min and I got 17 in 7 minutes lol

[sick sentinel]

Hello guys I’m a classic andy haven’t touched retail in a decade. Do you need /startattack macros on your keybinds to auto target the next mob and start autoing ?

[lusty grotto]

no

retail has an option that you should turn on however, i believe it is enabled by default

[sick sentinel]

Oh seriously? Maybe it was disabled for me

[lusty grotto]

hmm

i think they removed it? but it should start auto attacking after you press something

the only hidden var is to stop attacking

make sure this is 0

/run SetCVar("stopAutoAttackOnTargetChange", 0)

thats it

[sick sentinel]

Does that make it so it does stop or doesn’t stop?

[lusty grotto]

if its enabled it stops attacking on target change

if its disabled (0) it doesnt stop attacking on target change

[sick sentinel]

Oh ok ty

[lusty grotto]

thats about it

it should start meleeing by default

without tweaking that cvar

i dont know why it shouldn't

[sick sentinel]

So when you have an ability straight form spell book without a macro on it and you press it it should target and start autoing?

[lusty grotto]

with a macro as well

unless the macro specifically says to stop attacking

have you tested this? i just did and it just auto attacks

[sick sentinel]

Could swear it wasn’t doing it for me so I had to make /startattacks

[lusty grotto]

well it did back in the day

just hasnt for the longest time

i mean the need for a /startattack thing

[sick sentinel]

Even without clicking or tabbing to target?

[lusty grotto]

yes

it could be restricted to abilities that deal damage

[stark crystal]

Hey ,
i am not sure what to pick for my prot warri. I do mostly m+ and not a lot of raiding.
would love some advice or help

[lusty grotto]

taunt doesn't trigger it

shield slam, thunderclap and revenge do

if that makes sense when i say "deal damage"

[unborn island]

Probably the helm

[sick sentinel]

Yea thanks I’ll test it out without /startattack in a bit when I get on . maybe I was in a weird zone or weird mobs or something that it wasn’t working

[lusty grotto]

i just tested on a dummy, just to be sure

cause i was gaslighting myself

i believe that has been a thing since cata

so a long long time ago

either cata or mop

[warm plinth]

You're cata or mop

Gottem

[lusty grotto]

[round cliff]

does greeding aggro from my offtank help w this

[round pendant]

how tf do you gear alts now

[round cliff]

because i do it on mugzee when theres no swaps

[round pendant]

no delves

[lusty grotto]

lol

[round pendant]

I'd rather lobotomise myself than do delves

[lusty grotto]

i was about to s ay

[round cliff]

i love delves!

do delves

[lusty grotto]

my plan is to do delves 😉

[round pendant]

Delves are the most boring shit ever invented

[lusty grotto]

but yeah nothing else besides that

[round pendant]

nice

thanks blizz

[lusty grotto]

except the good ole keys grind

[round cliff]

is delves actually good cuz im gonna hit 80 and i need to gear

[lusty grotto]

sure

[round pendant]

can't really do keys at 600 ilvl

[lusty grotto]

hero gear

well hero vault gear + the mini boss weekly

[round cliff]

dont u only get 1 hero gear per week from the map?

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[round cliff]

ig thats more than 0 hero gear

and ill need to fill out w/ champ gear anyways as a fresh 80

[sick sentinel]

And a week is nothing in WoW time

[lusty grotto]

champ gear is enough to grind 6-9s anyway

[round cliff]

is the miniboss what drops the map?

[lusty grotto]

yea

[round cliff]

idk i skipped past delves progression so fast

ok word

[lusty grotto]

just buy the thing that spawns it

[round cliff]

oh u can buy it

[jagged pier]

nope random proc on any damage taken including raid wides

[round cliff]

i got mine from one of those shitey little curios

[jagged pier]

doesnt really matter if u geting hit or not

[lusty grotto]

you can get it to drop from chests yeah but its rng

[round cliff]

it feels wayyy not worth it to click on the curios but i do it anyways because i like the jingly coins sound it makes

i dont even think my brann gets exp from them anymore

[round cliff]

some boss fights dont have much raidwide dmg do they?

[lusty grotto]

brann only gets exp from bountiful delve curios after a certain point

so only worth going for them on bountifuls

and not on non-bountifuls

[round cliff]

word

[jagged pier]

like everyone one

[round cliff]

dam n

[remote inlet]

Boys I am fairly new to Tanking and have an impossible decission to make in my vault can someone with expertise tell me what to take? 🙂

[long bronze]

I would just take the tier chest

[lusty grotto]

good fucking lord

thats not an impossible decision to make

[round cliff]

that's the free-est chest choice ive ever seen

[lusty grotto]

but sure ill second Trrriple

[remote inlet]

ok can someone explain? shouldnt i take highest ilvl?

[naive panther]

hgaha funny, take socket

[remote inlet]

i am jsut so clueless 😄

[round cliff]

tier pieces good and not farmable infinitely

[naive panther]

if you don't have tier yet, take tier chest

[cerulean tusk]

632 is what, hero tier?

[lusty grotto]

chest/helm/legs have the highest stat pools in items outside of some stat sticks

[round cliff]

trinket farmable infinitely

[lusty grotto]

and you need tier

[round cliff]

even if he did have tier u take chest

[lusty grotto]

all of that gear you can farm

you cant farm tier

[round cliff]

he's wearing a 603 rn

[remote inlet]

Ok I go for Tier 😄

[lusty grotto]

unless if you're holding cata charges

[cerulean tusk]

Nim, nim, nim! 632, is that hero track?

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea, i think so?

[cerulean tusk]

Rat in a hat

failed

[remote inlet]

no its veteran

[lusty grotto]

oof

well a free tier piece is a free tier piece

now you can just farm whatever is not a chest and spend cata charges to get 4pc

[cerulean tusk]

Any tierpiece is a big win, fr
I still rocking my LFR one

[lusty grotto]

ye

[bold turret]

What can we drop for disrupting shout? (AOE taunt silence)

[lusty grotto]

SoF

[bold turret]

SoF?

[long bronze]

show of fource

force

[bold turret]

Cheers

[remote inlet]

Thanks for the support!!!! I took the tier piece 😄

[glad jacinth]

I should get more haste right?

[lusty grotto]

always

[half jewel]

I have about 46% or so with our into the fray buff or w.e its called

[lusty grotto]

ratings please

ITF shouldnt be factored in, its a buff

[bold turret]

18,5k is ok right

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats fine

[glad jacinth]

if we craft weapon, should we use ascension?

[lusty grotto]

anything amount is fine really, it just dictates whether you play HR or ITF

[lusty grotto]

at this point? no. Vanilla weapon is fine

you should have enough sparks next week to have dawn/dusk

at least on shield, and/or bracers/belt/boots

[glad jacinth]

wasted 2 sparks on 2 hand weapon for arms, before my tank friends decided to reroll xD

[final linden]

Damn just crafted with ascension

I got a shield in vault so crafted weapon, then got the good shield from a weekly undermine box!

[half jewel]

crafting with asension is still fine

[lusty grotto]

not wasted, those are free upgrades

for 1h + shield

[lusty grotto]

youre still gonna remove it

cause ascension isnt competitive without writhing

theres 0 reason to use ascension at this point

it was used early in the season because there was only 1 or 2 sparks

[half jewel]

Yea but thats a future problem that you can fix later in the season its not a dire issue during week 5

[glad jacinth]

i got shield 665 and weapon 655, my doubt if the 10 ilvls of shield will make more difference than 20 ils on weapon

[lusty grotto]

not enough for the whole 2 embelishes

[lusty grotto]

it does

[undone beacon]

shield reigns supreme

[half jewel]

maybe if you're pushing the highest level of keys or prog its important but I wouldn't scare anyone into thinking they fucked up if they are still doing lower end content

[lusty grotto]

im not scaring anyone dude

im answering a question

[undone beacon]

nim u fuckin terrify me

[lusty grotto]

he asked, should we craft with ascension

i said "at this point, no"

thats it

[lusty grotto]

[undone beacon]

AAAAAA

https://tenor.com/view/scatter-twitch-emote-twitch-emote-7tv-gif-14094131424741016653

[glossy condor]

go for the weapon, better weapon means better aggro and badassery

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/hehe-hehe-cat-boo-scary-cat-scary-gif-17775762765713644256

[candid yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-turn-around-baby-out-gif-15492014

[undone beacon]

Oh Nim btw, I finally found a sim on my druid where Eye of Kezan simmed higher than what I was wearing

[lusty grotto]

oh?

[undone beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n7cPh5ZZM3PMC3TGDKGseu

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

[undone beacon]

shhhhh 45 minutes shhhh

[tribal ermine]

so do we just always run damage trikets, i find im getting overwhlmed on the big pull openers in 12s

is there a trink worth running to make that easier

[undone beacon]

Bombsuit or Mud are the go-to defensive trinkets

[lusty grotto]

bombsuit

tome

on shield mode

[tribal ermine]

i dont have bombsuit but i have mud

[lusty grotto]

mud is fine

but bombsuit betterer

[undone beacon]

Bomb suit big haste go brrr

[woven radish]

Sitting at almost 22k it feels so good

[lusty grotto]

kidna weird though i dont feel 12s hurt at all

whats your shield ilvl?

[undone beacon]

12s only hurt when I'm trying to group shit up

[lusty grotto]

12 hurt for the same reason 10s hurt

us fucking up

back hits on a brew starting pulls

etc

[undone beacon]

and brother do I EVER

[lusty grotto]

but not because we need a trinket

i barely feel shit with a crafted shield

kinda feels like 0 difference

[lusty grotto]

whats your shield ilvl

and if you have a hero shield, so help me god, craft a shield

[undone beacon]

We did get fucked on a 12 priory last night because the first boss did the frontal and the leap at the same time? Killed two people who were like 90 degrees away from him

[lusty grotto]

it doesnt matter if its gally shield

[woven radish]

Only thing that has remotely hurt my up to 13's so far are bleed from priory boss the 1 or 2 times I've fucked defensive rotation, and the magic melee boss in ML.... otherwise I'm honestly on snooze mode so far

[rocky crest]

Just a quickie, aint the Radiant power enchant better than the depths one for +m's ?

due to stats boost

[lusty grotto]

ehh

yeah but

depths is better for prio targetting

either is fine really

crit enchant is also very good as colossus

sims really high

[rocky crest]

oh

that would be nice with pacemaker and signet

what trinkets y'all rollin in 14 and upwards ? I got stuck with signet and pacemaker atm

I do have tome, but feels signet is better for my playstyle

[undone beacon]

this shit, sucked

Nobody in the frontal, two deaths

huh

[wicked pollen]

@ yogi

whats his discord again

@tribal wharf

[glad jacinth]

what % of haste do we change between ITF and HR?

[pallid quiver]

That's an imposter

don't believe it

Yogi's character is a cow named Tankian

[tribal wharf]

ya, but am no longer yogi

here, perfect

im the doomguy now

[dusky canopy]

Wait you weren’t the doom guy before!?!?

[topaz latch]

anyone else have taken rally cry off their build?

[solid sun]

No I like supporting my friends

[topaz latch]

me too, which is why i took off a useless talent

[solid sun]

Useless seems strong

I’ve certainly popped a rally this season and seen people survive something just barely

[lusty grotto]

i wish i could trade my signet for a tome

meh trinket doesnt align with cds

[long bronze]

I got 3 signets before I got a tome

[lusty grotto]

meh

[topaz latch]

i think i done that once or twice but putting that point into something else, which ive been moving around, seems to help my friends out more because im doing something more usefull, like better snap aggro and pulling with the larger TC radius, bigger execute spams with more rage, etc etc.

[lusty grotto]

it was just week 1 myth so oh well

[solid sun]

That’s nice. I kept rallying and moved intercept

[topaz latch]

i removed rally, and its my new flex point

[undone beacon]

I've found my healers really love rally so i keep it

[topaz latch]

that would be huge for me, but my dedicated healer said he barely notices, and using that point on something more useful might help out better.

he does notice however when i put that point into the shockwave upgrade.

[undone beacon]

Fair, do what works for your comp

[solid sun]

^

[topaz latch]

he really only mentions that my best utility for our group, which is a regular group, is that he doesnt need to heal me, so more healing for others. he has a strong preference for more interrupt and stuns since that prevents significantly more damage that rally cry does. but thats partially due to one of our dps who is allergic to interrupting.

[stiff gate]

the rdruid i play with has said similar things, i call "rallying" when damage is happening and he just laughs and says "if only that actually did anything"

[topaz latch]

lol, my healer just says, in his most sarcastic voice, "there goes our warrior's only utility for 3 mins"

[long bronze]

yall just need to realize the most important thing you can do for your group is do big fucking dam, any button press not doing dam is a waste, and anyone who complains can get kicked so there is more dam for you to do

[topaz latch]

i think most of us has already realized this, but thanks.

[shut summit]

rally is extremely fake unless specifically planned around in m+, at least as keys go up

[long bronze]

rallying cry? more like rallying waste of a global I could use to press revenge

[shut summit]

really needs a buff in 5man content like darkness got

[topaz latch]

the most sense ever made in skyhold

[stiff gate]

even when planned around, 10% hp is really unlikely to be the difference between living and dying from a oneshot unless you checked not-even-close beforehand

[long bronze]

make rally give bloodlust

[topaz latch]

again, thats why i took rally cry off on all but one of my builds

[shut summit]

that is what i mean when say planned around

[stiff gate]

ah, yeah i thought you just mean even if you assign it to a specific overlap or event

[shut summit]

it can be but it's such a long CD it's just not a great use of a talent point

prefer tclap radius because threat is a fucking hassle on start of pulls

[stiff gate]

think i save more lives having extra TClap radius to pick up mobs before my melee can kill themselves with them

[topaz latch]

in my delve build, i have it with a DiD warrior, who has a speed enchant and even tho thats stupid, running faster and getting out of bad faster has produced better results than having a nothingburger on a 3min cd.

[rocky crest]

Signet and pacemaker sims higher than tome though

[long bronze]

in what world

[jagged pier]

are u using the apl for time?

[lusty grotto]

pins

[topaz latch]

u need to adjust the sim, see @lusty grotto

[long bronze]

I've also determined that the mechano core sims very optimistically

[topaz latch]

+1 warrior point

[slender bison]

I just saved my 12 group at Big Momma aoe with Rallying Cry and timed the key. I will now be taking your questions. AMA

[long bronze]

what would you have done if it was a 13

besides watch them die

[slender bison]

Probably unsub

[long bronze]

reasonable, thank you for your time

[slender bison]

Always here to help

[lusty grotto]

i have a question

fuck i forgot

bear with me

[long bronze]

no you probably shouldn't play guardian druid

[lusty grotto]

how do you feel about bidets?

[long bronze]

with my hands probably

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-the-frog-hmm-thinking-gif-14186428

[slender bison]

Why was Thrall bald in Manoroth fight but now in his 50s has the best hairline? Hm?

[dense cradle]

what kind of heathen doesnt have a bidet

[long bronze]

rogaine

[dense cradle]

is the better question

[lusty grotto]

🤝

couldnt be rogaine, it makes you sterile

[long bronze]

I went through the effort of install an extra wall outlet in my bathroom just to have one

[lusty grotto]

checkmate rogaine astroturf

[vale escarp]

He shaved his head in the old times

[long bronze]

do I get extra credit

[slender bison]

Yeah, shaving makes the hair grow thicker.

Says the Workshop trim guy

[prisma echo]

Guys why some tanks pick Thunderlord on colosus?

What are pros of this talent?

i feel it force to click thunderclap more which i think we dont want to

[pallid quiver]

In most cases, it's because their actively harming themselves. Most logs I've seen that pick it up sacrifice very strong talents for it, ranging from Violent Outburst to Ravager

[lusty grotto]

we have no idea, you should ask one of them

[pallid quiver]

Thunderlord's pretty much non-negotiable for Thane, as would be expected, but it's much less valuable for Colo considering how little you cast TC

[prisma echo]

I ask more to know if im missing something or its just not recommended at all

and its some outliers

[lusty grotto]

youre not missing anything, but only they can provide an answer

we cant because it doesnt make sense

[prisma echo]

My top realm pwar use it so that was question from 🙂 thanks for answers i was thinking right

[lusty grotto]

just whisper him then

[prisma echo]

i will

[lusty grotto]

likely they are copying someone

or they have their own personal reasons

but they are losing a lot of dps

depending on what they are sacrificing for it

theres no reason for us to recommend it

[mighty valley]

the front page raider.io warriors were running it so a lot of people just copied them

[prisma echo]

like top wars on my realm sometimes play super weird talents XD top 1 is plaing thunderlord and top 2 plays sudden death and not running BSV

[mighty valley]

i don't know if much thought went into them picking it

[prisma echo]

but he take indomitable

[mighty valley]

i think this all proves that playing well can make up for all kinds of wacky choices lol

[prisma echo]

yea

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[prisma echo]

btw @mighty valley i hit all 12's today!

you have big part in it ❤️

[mighty valley]

let's goooooooooooo

what rating does the top warrior on your server have? you should get their ass

[prisma echo]

he is 3140

im top 20 xD

with all 12's

but im coming to him!

so we are dead on pwars on serv

[carmine burrow]

hey dudes, can anyone give some advice on how to use Tome of light's devotion? just got hte trinket

[lusty grotto]

pins

[long bronze]

#protection message

[carmine burrow]

is there a good wa totrack it the buff?

[lusty grotto]

not particularly

wago has a lot of them im sure

[vale escarp]

It takes like 2 minutes to build yourself some WA for tome

[lofty warren]

On motherloder last boss, when he flies up and the little guys come out - do they always ignore aggro rules and just shoot whoever?

[urban bane]

They sure do!

[sick sentinel]

Turns out , most attacks work except for charge 😭

[lusty grotto]

well, youre gonna instantly shield slam anyway

auto attacks are nothing to be concerned about

except if you stop them

[sick sentinel]

Yea but I like charging without having to target

[lusty grotto]

i dont follow

[sick sentinel]

Charge doesn’t start attack

Without the macro

[lusty grotto]

no

i meant

"charging without having to target"

[minor forum]

in 12+ how much time are we spending in Dstance vs Battle stance

[lusty grotto]

why are you charging then

[lusty grotto]

this is TWW there's no need to be in battle stance

[sick sentinel]

I have to click on mobs and then press charge instead of just looking at them and pressing charge and instantly charging

[lusty grotto]

i still dont follow

are you action camera'ing or something?

[mighty valley]

are you talking mouseover...?

[lusty grotto]

immediately after a charge youre gonna press an attack

so it really doesn't matter if charge (or taunt) doesnt start auto attacks

[sick sentinel]

I don’t care about the auto attack I’m talking about the targeting

When you press charge it does nothing if I’m not targeting anything

With /startattack it targets as if it was tab

And if you’re in range it’ll charge

[lusty grotto]

oh

that seems very dangerous to do

at least in the content i run

but yeah if it works for you, its fine

[sick sentinel]

In dungeons yea but for leveling it’s qol more than anything

It’s a tab target built into you’re opener

[sacred patrol]

You do get the DR up much quicker and that makes it good for pulling really big packs on mob dense dungeons

[lusty grotto]

demo does no threat

i can see the DR argument

i just dont see how its good for dps

your overall will suffer

[mighty valley]

yeah i'd guess that's the rationale, more frequent defensives

but i'd have to see the numbers on how many more you actually get with colossus

[lusty grotto]

nome did the math a few weeks ago if not a week ago

essentially it isnt worth the drop

way too big of a hit

[sacred patrol]

Drop indom and your dps won’t suffer it will actually be better because of the damage gain from more frequent use and booming voice

[lusty grotto]

no it wont

its a big drop in overall dps

like i said Nome did the math a few days ago

[mighty valley]

we're already dropping indom to get all the dps increases at the bottom of the tree

[lusty grotto]

youre sacrificing ravager and/or battering ram if youre dropping indom for it

cause we're already dropping it

like Harrow just said

[fiery lark]

Any recomendations on what to take from the vault? Fairly new to tanking so not sure how best to weigh up my options

[lusty grotto]

raidbots.com

[hazy bronze]

can i cope and say house of cards is good on prot just got it on my alt from the timewalking dungeon and i couldnt get it on any of my main characters that need it 🙂

[fiery lark]

Just sim for dps?

[neon elk]

Going tier will be most likely better dps increase for now but i would pick that ring that u provably never change

[lusty grotto]

very good for prot see https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets

[mighty valley]

coping with truth

[lusty grotto]

yes, if it increases dps, it will increase defensiveness

thats how most of our stats work

or all of our stats, rather

[warm plinth]

Hi

[toxic pewter]

Testing. Can you see this

[warm plinth]

No