protection

[strong forum]

bring back pvp sets

[lusty grotto]

[strong forum]

remove vers

bring back resilience

[lusty grotto]

[lofty warren]

Bring back armor pen

[lusty grotto]

now youre talking

[slender bison]

I want Spirit

[lusty grotto]

i cant believe im agreeing with pepega

[lofty warren]

And wars have bis gear be leather

[lusty grotto]

ok you screwed it

ruined

[lofty warren]

That was it in wotlk

[slender bison]

Bring back sunder armour spamfest

[lusty grotto]

not just wotlk

[lofty warren]

In icc

[lusty grotto]

leather was bis in some previous tiers

but yeah dont worry i remember icc leather armor pen

back in vanilla wotlk

[slender bison]

There's no difference between cloth and plate in game today. It's just roleplay

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-the-frog-hmm-thinking-gif-14186428

[lofty warren]

My vote is for pwar to be able to reflect all spells

[long bronze]

no, needing a spreadsheet to know what you can reflect is good game design

[lusty grotto]

lmao

dont forget blocking from 360 because who the fuck does positionals in 2025

[warm plinth]

Plate has like 3x the armor of cloth

[dense cradle]

lets wheel you back into the retirement home grandpa

[lusty grotto]

he trolling ghash, he trolling

[lusty grotto]

i think you should have quoted me

pepega is not anywhere near it, hes talking classic wotlk not vanilla

[lofty warren]

If pwar can reflect everything then it would be higher on tier list

When i ready spell reflect I expect it to actually do that

Read

[lusty grotto]

while we're at takes, i wish they would delete IP and replace it with heroic strike

and old school cleave

and instead of making it next swing

make them instant

[dense cradle]

Oh

yeah let us reflect more i wanna mog the dps on damage

[lusty grotto]

bring back safeguard, reflective plating, warbringer, banner

[slender bison]

Imagine prot warr talent tree Spell Reflect -> Mass Spell Reflect in Midnight. Insta resub

[dense cradle]

mass spell reflect would be too good

idk

[slender bison]

Mass spell Reflect, where you also have another talent which makes the reflect crit

[glacial eagle]

Is eye of kezan usable in m+?

[slender bison]

So you can be S tier all day

[lusty grotto]

yes if you can stay in combat

[warm plinth]

The most recent heroic strike was instant iirc. Just shared a cd with cleave

[lusty grotto]

its been a while

but yeah it has always shared with cleave

[dense cradle]

Dont you take shield

[lusty grotto]

i just dont remember it being instant

[dense cradle]

unless you have

[glacial eagle]

I have 675 shield

[warm plinth]

The og one was the weird on next swing shit though; that was ass

[sharp gale]

If only m+ I wouldn’t take Rezan imo

[lofty warren]

Heroic strike is that one off gdc 🤮

[warm plinth]

Even back then my brain would interrupt maul so often because I'd forget about that. And then it wouldn't go off because I won't have rage

[lusty grotto]

i would take it in a heartbeat

[slender bison]

Wrong dungeon

[lusty grotto]

kezan

[warm plinth]

Yes it's off gcd

[lusty grotto]

that's a hero kezan right?

[glacial eagle]

yes

[warm plinth]

That's why nim said he wants it to replace IP

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk i would take it

but i also know how to use it from having used anvil/cataclysmic signet

[lofty warren]

Kenan the Dino in atal gave you bleeding not spell so the good version of reflect wouldn't work on it

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[warm plinth]

More damage instead of silly absorb shield

[glacial eagle]

yeah every other item is actually a downgrade lmao

[sharp gale]

Yeah typo, anyway a trinket requiring 4 min to stack and lost if out of combat is bad

[lofty warren]

Kezan

[lusty grotto]

that's Rezan

kezan is not the dino

[warm plinth]

Oh dear

[kind glen]

I just want Glad Stance back. Sword and board DPS is ultimate class fantasy

[lusty grotto]

kezan is a goblin thing

[warm plinth]

Stances can burn in hell

Shit tier concept

[slender bison]

What if instead of Ignore Pain you had Spell Reflect Pain, where you feed on the pain of the mobs getting the fireball back in their face?

[lofty warren]

Didnt know it was legal to be a goblin war

[warm plinth]

My war is a goblin atm

[lusty grotto]

how does goblin rank in the tier list

[stiff gate]

PLEASE safeguard and warbringer were so sick

[warm plinth]

Probably last

[lofty warren]

I looo3d at the tier list and it shows dwarf at the top

[warm plinth]

[lusty grotto]

chef nimchip is pleased

[sharp gale]

In my mog tier list, dump trash tier

[kind glen]

mid pack, according to bloodmallet

[lofty warren]

What if racial buff was disconnected from visual visual

[lusty grotto]

that would be the ideal scenario

but blizzard just wants to keep printing money with race changes

[kind glen]

Yeah thats certainly why

[lofty warren]

I would be pink haired female gnome

[lusty grotto]

i would be red haired female gnome

[warm plinth]

Live your dream

[lusty grotto]

no, am dwarf

[warm plinth]

My war has been a ton of races

[lusty grotto]

i can just atomic recalibrate anyway

[slender bison]

What's the coolest horde pwar race?

[warm plinth]

Troll, vulpera, dwarf, and now goblin

[kind glen]

only cow

[gentle violet]

Told myself I was going to be more active and keep up with the Prot War discord. Went to work and just checked what I’ve missed, y’all are crazy AF

[warm plinth]

I'm gonna race change to mechagnome

[lusty grotto]

its a slow vault day

believe it or not

[warm plinth]

Will do it when I get home

[lusty grotto]

it'll speed up soon as we're reaching prime time

and then there'll be like 2000 million vault questions that can be answered with "sim" or "is the item rare"

which is coincidentally when i stop looking at discord

[gentle violet]

lol

[glacial eagle]

hey

dont call me out like that

[lusty grotto]

oh hello there Yogi

[tribal wharf]

hell diablo was a weak push over, hell baal i cant even reach him yet

[lusty grotto]

i see you typing

[tribal wharf]

i have been on diablo 2 for a while

[lusty grotto]

i bet you have

[gentle violet]

The pace of this chat is quite literally 30 messages per minute according to my calculations.

[tribal wharf]

i want to kill hell baal and maybe uber baal or diablo

[slender bison]

If next season they bring back corruption gear we'll be S tier again

[tribal wharf]

this is like, life goal

and im no yogi

[lusty grotto]

youll always be yogi

[tribal wharf]

but uh, im not getting any runes, so im getting my ass beat

nope

i'll probably switch user names in another 5 to 10 years anyways

nameless wanderer

[lusty grotto]

ok i believe you but i hope you dont

[mighty valley]

you'll always be yogi with the weird CDi zelda guy avatar to me

[tribal wharf]

morshu has a special place in my heart

yogi not so much, its complicated

[lusty grotto]

ye

[tribal wharf]

how can you not love a character with such a purposeful design

but as you would imagine, i am having basically what i can only describe as yogi trouble in d2

same shit essentially

different pile

[warm plinth]

Yogi are you playing the new doom when it comes out

[tribal wharf]

tell me something only a doom player would know

if you are a turned doom player

[warm plinth]

I'm not a doom player at all. I'm just asking.

[tribal wharf]

oh okay

non doom player OPINION DISCARDED

[warm plinth]

...what opinion

[tribal wharf]

all of them, especially the doom ones, no but really

im not entirely sure i want to play the new doom, i dont really give a fuck at the moment

[lusty grotto]

but will you play it eventually?

[tribal wharf]

maybe? but i dont think i will enjoy it?

[warm plinth]

I just got shit on by yogi Nim

[tribal wharf]

seems like too scope and lore .. uhhh extensive.....

[lusty grotto]

do you not enjoy the bethesda ones?

[tribal wharf]

demon, me want demon and rocket and shot gun

[lusty grotto]

seen

[tribal wharf]

and blue armor and beserk/chainsaw

apparently the new doom okay right so get this

its faster than eternal

so it will probably be a skill issue for me, and theres some drama about circle counter attacks for magic attacks done on your or something?

and so, it boils into, im not really sure i want to invest into thinking about and playing it day one

[lusty grotto]

i see

[tribal wharf]

wow is the same

last 2 expansions 3 proably

it got too fast

[lusty grotto]

understandable

you just wanna chill

thats more than fine

[tribal wharf]

i dont like the timer

i dont like tuesday reset

rest is fine cuz its skill issue

[mighty valley]

raid only, extend lockout forever

[tribal wharf]

timer with online co-op drives me crazy i learned back in SL

[mighty valley]

i do really enjoy difficult untimed content

[frozen berry]

Do holy priests do insane damage in keys? Had one do close to a mill

[mighty valley]

like when i'm doing an overtuned key with friends early in a season and figuring it all out

but it's hard to design a system like that that lasts

[tribal wharf]

i think there needs to be a "we fucked up the key" button in the first 5-10 minutes of the dungeon

hour or whatever cooldown or more, resets the dungeon

doesnt deplete

[bleak breach]

Not a horrid idea Yogi

I.e Cinderbrew walk in, someone accidentally wipes you to trash you can reset once and go again

[tribal wharf]

i figure it would be something you can do it once per 12 hours realistically

[lusty grotto]

well you can do that

you just have to time 12s

c:

[steep condor]

hi - i just started tanking and im struggling to get agro at the start of the pull sometimes. what should i be doing?

[lusty grotto]

do you have a log?

[steep condor]

nope

[lusty grotto]

the more dps you do, the better your agro will be

[steep condor]

i'll check out the rotation on wowhead

[lusty grotto]

so if people outgear you, specifically weapon

they might grab agro

use troar, it helps

[steep condor]

ahh ok cool

will do

[lusty grotto]

crackling thunder also helps as colossus for gathering

[steep condor]

crackling thunder?

[lusty grotto]

talent

[steep condor]

oh it's not in the build i got from wowhead

i'll check it out

[lusty grotto]

you can swap out something for it

[steep condor]

cool

[jagged gust]

when gathering try to get your bleeds on each pack so they stick to you while running

That means revenge for deep wounds and thunderclap for rend

[steep condor]

ok cool

will try that 🙂 thanks!

[lusty grotto]

you can swap out storm bolt

for it

[steep condor]

i was just looking at what i can swap. cool i will try that

[lusty grotto]

if youre using the colossus M+ build

[steep condor]

yeah i am

[jagged gust]

don't be afraid to stick with a pack for a couple gcds to establish aggro before gathering the next, in a pug you're gonna have early bursters more often than not, a quick TC+Revenge+SS should be enough to get all your dots rolling, generate a bit of rage and give you enough time for TC to be up for the next pack

[steep condor]

i was going to drop interven to be honest - i never use it really

[lusty grotto]

you can do that too

[jagged gust]

tbh I have never used intervene this season outside of using my allies to ping pong to the front of the group when running

[steep condor]

that's exactly what i used it for

[jagged gust]

good for if you run with enh shammys tho

give em a little heart attack when they peel off a group of adds while gathering

[steep condor]

haha

thx for the tips guys - really helpful and tbh i needed some kind words after the abuse i just got in the pug i tanked

off to bed. nn!

[cerulean crystal]

For anyone that uses the bombsuit trinket, how do you utilise it? just save it for when you know a big hit is coming or use it on cd?

[lusty grotto]

yeah there's no other way to use it

the damage it deals is just a bonus

nothing to put heavy consideration about

you want that trinket because its the best defensive trinket this season

thats it

[cerulean crystal]

yeah got a champ one last night before reset

so not worth really running it UNLESS it's a fight you know a big hit will help right?

[lusty grotto]

unless you need a defensive option

in any content

[cerulean crystal]

scrapfield would be better for general content though right? cause of the haste buff if we don't need the defensive use?

[lusty grotto]

tome + pacemaker

[smoky anvil]

The holy grail

[lusty grotto]

or tome + amp/house of cards

[cerulean crystal]

yeah for sure, but I have not been lucky enough for either of those yet haha

[lusty grotto]

all 3 are holy grails

[smoky anvil]

I got the priory trinket in my vault.

[lusty grotto]

tome + kezan is also pretty goated

[smoky anvil]

The wrong one, though. 😦

[lusty grotto]

sadge

[cerulean crystal]

im running locknstock with either scrap/bomb suit

[lusty grotto]

im guessing you dont do keys

[cerulean crystal]

I have a 2450 rating, just have not got either of the trinkets to drop at all

[lusty grotto]

tome and pacemaker are M+ drops

[cerulean crystal]

like im not a super key specialist

[lusty grotto]

ah i see

[cerulean crystal]

but yeah just unluckeeeee

[lusty grotto]

well i havent gotten a tome yet

and i just did 2 fucking runs

getting close to 30 runs

and thats way too much for me

[smoky anvil]

It’s tough without tank spec stacking

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk if i can do that tbh

[frozen berry]

I don’t have tome or seaforium, done at least 15 of each

Somehow my alt DH gets house of cards and seaforium from heroic cache/vault

[glacial ridge]

I got the hero version of tome in vault last week, just saw the ret pally who is thinking about tanking just pull the myth track one from his vault

[smoky anvil]

Rip

[glacial ridge]

We still dropping ravager for battering ram on 4pc, or we getting rid of other talent point? Feels weird not using ravager. Then again I’m a Heavy Repercussions enjoyer

[lusty grotto]

we drop indom for battering ram

[smoky anvil]

Ya, felt naked without Ravager, dropped indom, didn’t notice much of anything.

[glacial ridge]

Hmm ok. Give it a go this week. And ITF is there a feel good breakpoint? Played it and noticed my shield block uptime dropped (I do go heavy on the revenges) but I know my haste isn’t huge atm (15kish)

[jagged gust]

dropping indom makes it a little harder to live for a minute straight when the group dies and you're waiting for them to run back on a 10

but other than that it's a pretty easy drop

[lusty grotto]

17k without 4pc, 14kish with to play ITF

[toxic pewter]

Ngl I just did a workshop with bombsuit just to test it and it’s really nice basically unlikable when you click it. But I did a lot less damage. Actually missed timing by 15 seconds. Would of made it if I had a dps trinket I bet

[lusty grotto]

thats a death

[toxic pewter]

granted there were some pointless deaths

Yep

5 deaths total

And I tanked it pretty well to be honest

Healer even said solid tanking

[waxen frost]

Hey fellow prot wars, I'm new here but was wondering what you'd choose between tome and/or mud. I'm already running seaforum charge and bomb suit.

[lusty grotto]

tome

[toxic pewter]

Tome and seaforium is what I run

[lusty grotto]

no reason to think otherwise

running full absorb is bad and you should feel bad

it nerfs our tier

[waxen frost]

Would bomb suit and tome be viable?

[lusty grotto]

completely

for a defensive option? sure

no reason to run it if you dont need it

[toxic pewter]

I just tested bomb suit and yeah it’s a solid defensive but like unless you’re doing max keys it’s not really necessary

[lusty grotto]

full dps

[waxen frost]

Okay perfect. Thank you very much for the advice guys.

[toxic pewter]

Plus I’m not a huge fan of double on use myself even if tome sorta kinda not really is on use

Just find it clunky but to each their own

[small steeple]

what do i take? Myth shoulders to replace champ. Myth chest to replace hero. or myth weapon, when i got 675 crafted

[toxic pewter]

I had a similar vault to yours earlier

[lime mantle]

What if you are on 13s?
I can't find a lot of good info on how the system works, I assumed it just doesn't go down from your last finished key (ie, do all 13->13s don't dplete, but 14s go down to 13, etc...)

[toxic pewter]

It’s a tough choice I would prob take the myth chest myself just would want myth tier for more stats. Many or most would prob say take the weapon I suppose.. not sure. Could just sim it also

3 ilvls on weapon and I take it you prob have ascendance on it

Shoulders have lower stat budget than chest. Can find hero shoulders in mean time to catalyze

So it’s basically weapon vs chest in my opinion

Oh wait that’s the bis chest. Don’t even need to catalyze it

[foggy fox]

guys do you think the 4 set is strong? also what is the proc rate of lucky thingy?

[small steeple]

also bis weapon though

[lime mantle]

+3 ilvl vs +20 ilvl tho

[toxic pewter]

Yeah so basically need to weigh is 3ilvls on a weapon is worth it vs chest. May actually just let sim decide for you I suppose

[strong forum]

1rppm but 4pc is incredibly potent

2pc is like a 7% dmg increase and 4pc its a 8% dmg buff

[tacit smelt]

What's everyones personal tank strat on Benk (bee boss in cinderbrew)?

[teal hill]

We doing Dungeon Slice for sims or nah?

[tribal wharf]

https://maxroll.gg/d2/d2planner/x43200ih this except im lvl 83 not totally accurate hell nithilak trash too stronk

cuz i was talking about d2 earlier

[teal hill]

@tacit smelt
Just HT/Taunt and drop pools to one side stacked

[glacial ridge]

Don’t think I’ve seen people recommend dungeon slice for a long time

I just do patchwerk 5 target @ 1.5min

[tribal wharf]

its always single target iirc

[lusty grotto]

no

[sullen ginkgo]

chefs kiss

[lusty grotto]

APL works with it but

its not optimized for it

26 runs of priory so far

14 kills of gallywix

parse reclearing

lmao

thats some dedication

not the dps

but the 14 fucking kills lmao

[jagged gust]

14 and no 100?

better make it 15

[bleak breach]

How much better is tome then the next best ST trink? I haven’t managed to get one yet.

[lusty grotto]

betterer

[bleak breach]

So worth a chase then Nim?

[lusty grotto]

i wouldnt be doing this otherwise, id rather be pushing or playing monster hunter

[sullen ginkgo]

I Run parse groups cus im a fucking degenerate

[lusty grotto]

we can tell

[bleak breach]

Damn I’m trash lol

[sullen ginkgo]

i like looking at a meaningless number and spending hours to get it to go up

[jagged gust]

https://tenor.com/view/kobe-bryant-nba-player-jersey-number24-basketball-basketball-player-gif-17149836

[bleak breach]

Yeah fair, what HR are you? I’m running dual blades

[lusty grotto]

yeah most of us can just pass him with fewer kills

i just dont give a damn about it lmao

150 sword and shield

[jagged gust]

I'm kinda pissed I won't be able to get all 100s in LFR this season

[lusty grotto]

i wanna make artian dual blades but my deco farm is lacking

because im farming fucking priory

[sullen ginkgo]

LFR parses are whats important

thats what the top guilds look for

[bleak breach]

I think I’m like hr 40, got busy doing stuff to prep for mythic and haven’t spent as much time on it as I would like

[lusty grotto]

looking forward to hammer buffs

i was a hammer main until this game

not that i swapped off because hammer is undertuned but because sword and shield is giga fun

[jagged gust]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MhjRrQ9g1t4NfG3V?fight=2&type=damage-done

This one log is screwing me over

[bleak breach]

The Gore Magala Palico gear is unreal

Always had great gear design in MH in fairness.

[sullen ginkgo]

LMAO

2.7M

they fr just let him parse his dick off lmaoo

[jagged gust]

insane, 10min fight he practically solo'd it

[sullen ginkgo]

oh fuck its lfr LMAO

[jagged gust]

I told you I take my LFR seriously

[lusty grotto]

lol

[sullen ginkgo]

sign this man up for team liquid

[jagged gust]

they couldn't handle me

I'm just too much warrior

[toxic pewter]

im the #1 vexie lfr right now lmao

[sullen ginkgo]

im about to change that

ima kill my team

[toxic pewter]

damn someone beat me on my #1 for bandit and mugzee...

[sullen ginkgo]

then solo with execute spams for 10m

[toxic pewter]

oh im #1 on sprocket too

[toxic pewter]

rip my #1s

[jagged gust]

suck it

[sullen ginkgo]

ill kill my lfr raid on purpose just for the execute spams

[toxic pewter]

omg LOL

thats hillarious

[jagged gust]

jk those were from like week 1 of it's open, probably like a 98 parse now

[lusty grotto]

parse cheesing by definition and sandbagging

[toxic pewter]

oh wait i think my parses were before our nerfs

so not sure if that effects anything

[sullen ginkgo]

haters gonna gate, your mad you just wont be rank 1

this is elite wow gameplay

[lusty grotto]

im not mad

[sullen ginkgo]

the new addon is gonna be aids

tooltip for parses lmao no one is gonna do mechanics

[lusty grotto]

im just calling a spade a spade

🤷‍♂️

[sullen ginkgo]

its lfr half of them are drunk or high they wont know if i sandbag it

[lusty grotto]

yeah ig

[sullen ginkgo]

xD

[toxic pewter]

lfr parses are the true chad parses

[sullen ginkgo]

^

[jagged gust]

You do get a lot of "How the fuck did you do that" whispers tho

[toxic pewter]

if u aint parsing lfr wat u even doin with ur life

[sullen ginkgo]

right? the dick riding will be crazy

[jagged gust]

I mean I remember doing SoO, never having played outside of LFR because it was too scary

and suddenly there was a DK doing 50% of the entire raids overall

[sullen ginkgo]

i used to thing i was fucking insane for getting top 4 dmg in lfr and i was a god tier player

bro why is lfr wait time 27m

[toxic pewter]

LEAVE MY RECORD ALONE

[lean aurora]

Can Details show APM?

[mighty valley]

Don’t think so, need logs

[lean aurora]

Next up: My ilvl is 650. What's a decent DPS on raiding tank dummy (crystalmaw)?

[cursive needle]

How terrible in the Cinderbrew Stein trinket for M+? anyone using it?

[winged pawn]

ya i'm using

only ciz i don't have anything better

[cursive needle]

My vault is so bad man. I haven't had a single good vault this season.

[round pendant]

Yeah I haven't had a good vault for like 3 seasons

well I got myth skarmorak shard right at the tail end of last season

[lusty grotto]

no idea, we dont measure up against dummies here

log

and/or compare with a sim

with the same timeframe

[sterile citrus]

What does the lock n stalk trinket use actually do?

[sharp gale]

It switch into AoE if I remember

[sterile citrus]

Is it worth switching it?

[sharp gale]

Idk I don’t have it

[cerulean crystal]

Not worth switching it

they prob need to buff the AoE part to make it worth even toggling on any spec

but the ST is very good

[buoyant sparrow]

Question. What level of mythic+ should I be doing at 650?

(Pugging)

[toxic pewter]

Work to get 3k rating

So basically should be at least 10’s working your way up to 12’s and a few 13’s to get 3k

[buoyant sparrow]

Oh wow. Ok thanks

[lusty grotto]

650 is more than enough for 10s yea

[dull shoal]

help - myth track weapon worth? how good is ascendance embellishment?

[lusty grotto]

myth weapon better

dawn/dusk better than ascendance

[dull shoal]

cheers

[potent anvil]

Got bomb suit

[winged pawn]

does china have like more warriors for some reason?

[lusty grotto]

they like em

cause we pump

perfectly reasonable opinion to have

whether they gear or talent correctly, thats another separate thing

[sharp gale]

They have 3x more players than EU and US combined

[toxic pewter]

What talents do Chinese prot warrs run I wanna see

How do I see some are they in Warcraftlogs

[lusty grotto]

its mostly fine, they do seem to favor versa though

but there are some weird selections here and there on talents

[winged pawn]

interesting, most of the top 100 are chinese warriors

[fallow fern]

thinking boots..

since wowhead says this about the trinket lol

[lusty grotto]

no question about it

[fallow fern]

thought that explanation was funny

[warm plinth]

Yeah it's one of the trinkets that should have had its moment as

Also I'm still mad all these years later that it got changed from literalgarbage

[lusty grotto]

agreed

should have stayed garbage

[neat vector]

Probably easier to use cheats on or something

[lusty grotto]

trash doesnt sound insulting enough

[warm plinth]

Chinese players are playing a different game. They have had almost completely different metas a few times over the years. During one season, one of their top 2 or 3 teams was using a bdk when no one else was touching them with a ten foot pole

[toxic pewter]

I have reached 3k rating. It is done.

[rigid yew]

Embellishments seem so lackluster
1 focusing lens did 0.6% damage in a 11 key

Are any of the darkmoon sigils any good?

[lusty grotto]

why are you using focusing lens

but yeah they are mostly lackluster

[lusty grotto]

"pure single-target scenarios"

theres only one "pure single target scenario" in the whole season

which is sprocket

dunno why you would choose the one embelish that has such a niche use

and run a key with it expecting a better result, which is not a "single-target scenario"

also you played last season im pretty sure, so idk what made you change from dawn/dusk

[sharp gale]

You always have to keep in mind Chinese are a way more than the rest so it is kinda expected that rankings are swarmed by them

[rigid yew]

I never crafted anything last season

[lusty grotto]

oof

[sharp gale]

Like we have 1700 title EU, 1200 or so US, 9000 got BANNED/removed in China

[sharp gale]

Bc bdk

Happydk has a nice only niche embellish bc he can’t be over 80% for more than 1 sec

[warm plinth]

Yeah the article about netease partnering back up with us said 2 million Chinese people had already pre- registered to play again

Er, back up with blizz I mean

That's probably more than na and eu together lol

[sharp gale]

You just multiply 9000 by 1000 (bc title is 0.1%), you got the amount of m+ dudes if you take for granted that the 9000 cheaters represent 100% of title in china, so the minimum is 9millions

M+ gooners

[solid sun]

Did you or are you pulling an April 1

[lusty grotto]

no reason to doubt him

3k isnt really hard

at least doesnt feel that way this season

[solid sun]

I’m just goofing

[lusty grotto]

o

[warm plinth]

APRIL FOOLS

😏

[lusty grotto]

its over, its midnight edt

[warm plinth]

I AM IN THE PAST.

Gross, why does it gotta be warlords timewalking

[toxic pewter]

lol I actually was beginning to believe I was cursed. I had like so many keys go bad and had unfortunate issues occur in many

[neon elk]

What a way to diminish our achievements xd

[mild bone]

So, vault decision, upgrade Bloodoath Signet from heroic to myth track or Ringing Ritual Mud? Worth having a defensive trinket option when going up in keylevels?

[lusty grotto]

i have no idea what bloodoath signet is

[warm plinth]

How could you not know the name and stats of every ring Nim

https://tenor.com/bMyKu.gif

[lusty grotto]

but ritual mud is okay, just not the best since it invalidates our tier

[mild bone]

crit/haste ring from top

[lusty grotto]

full absorbs are yucky

if you have no other defensive option, then by all means

[sharp gale]

You got me

[lusty grotto]

[warm plinth]

OH SH- I have a vault?!

[toxic pewter]

Wait how does it mess with our tier

Absorbs and stuff don’t let our tier trigger?

[surreal lodge]

is there a haste cap where we dont want haste? defensively i guess. i know theres diminishing returns after 30%

and i can just sim for dps

just curious if too much haste can be bad defensively compared to other stats

[warm plinth]

No, not one you'll realistically reach anyway.

[lusty grotto]

yes thats what we sim

and like ghash mentioned, no need to worry about haste caps

we ignore soft caps

realistically the haste cap is gcd cap which you wont get to

[long bone]

Open vault with fury or prot loot spec? In regards to trinkets mostly

[sharp gale]

huge cloak upgrade

[oak ivy]

How much damage is lost to parry if half the dps are melee and the boss is facing them the entire time

ballpark

[lusty grotto]

a considerable amount

[smoky anvil]

Big tough guy huh? Big tough guy?

[lusty grotto]

enough that you should position bosses correctly

as any tank class

[oak ivy]

progging stix rn and the placement is a lot

[sharp gale]

i need so many crest, i want to do crafts but poor

[lusty grotto]

sometimes you just cant help it

but try to whenever possible

[warm plinth]

Wow

[oak ivy]

aye aye capn

[warm plinth]

I still had the item that gave 250 valorstones from doing the kill queen ansurek quest

and it actually gave me valorstones lol

[lusty grotto]

yeah they carry over

[warm plinth]

I was expecting it to not work I guess; figured valorstones reset

[lusty grotto]

on new alts you can get the runed crests

or so someone claimed

i havent actually tried it

but i do know for a fact valorstones are given

[warm plinth]

I got a runed crest from doing the campaign but the runed crest would be different wouldn't it?

[lusty grotto]

from reps etc

[warm plinth]

They have different names

[lusty grotto]

yeah im talking about reps

[warm plinth]

oh

[sharp gale]

you get carved and valorstones from s1 reps

[warm plinth]

oh like getting a certain renown with a last season faction

[lusty grotto]

yeah its typically max renown

[warm plinth]

I can't even remember the last time I intentionally got renown XD

even in Dragonflight, I think my highest renown was 12 by the end of the expansion

[mighty valley]

you should call your mother. get renown with your family

[warm plinth]

Well, guess I can remember, because I didn't have a choice in Shadowlands

[lusty grotto]

only reason i have em is cause i do weekly events for recipes for my crafter army

[sharp gale]

in TWW = intentionnally renown 7-8 but severed threads

[lusty grotto]

and as soon as i get all recipes, i just stop doing them, so they got me max renown last season

[warm plinth]

I got my shitty r2 public order staff fixed last night; r5 now

[lusty grotto]

i can craft all of it

but im in Arthas

c:

[warm plinth]

Time to invade Nim's guild

[lusty grotto]

well, my BS and Ench/Tailor are on a stormrage guild

but the rest are in my guild in Arthas

[sharp gale]

if it's 3% chance to be parried, you lose on average 3% damage by hitting from the front i guess

idk if it's still up to date

[mighty valley]

parry doesn't exist for mobs in m+ right

i don't think i completely invented that

[sharp gale]

i don't think so, i don't remember being parried even as dps in keys

[lusty grotto]

no

[sharp gale]

it' something they remove on cringe raid bosses, archaic things that needs complete removal like backshots

[urban bane]

certain bosses can do it

I think the darkness can parry. i remember it parrying a Colossus Smash

[lusty grotto]

that'd be cursed

but we would need log proof

[sharp gale]

i did get parried in a DfC as fury

[digital plume]

Are we ever looking to replace the Circlet?

[lusty grotto]

yes

when sims tell you to

[frozen lily]

For you, the two best trinket ?

[polar thistle]

ayo lads

im seeing defenders armor kit be recommended, but archon/wcl shows its almost equal at 40% each between defenders and stormbound(rounding)

Is 1k armor that big?

[mighty valley]

I’d probably go with seaforium and house of cards (English sorry)

[mighty valley]

it’s a tiny difference either way but armor actually reduces the damage you take

[polar thistle]

wasnt IP maxhp based?

thought it was and so its basically a comparison

entirely open to being wrong here sip

[warm plinth]

Only the cap is max hp based

Individual casts are not

[mighty valley]

the IP cap is based on max health but that doesn’t end up resulting in much actual effective damage reduction

[polar thistle]

aaaaaa, i see.
ye the cap and not each cast makes sense

thank you kindly

ima leave u with a mini blessed vault showing

bbye~

[warm plinth]

/wave

[urban bane]

Couldn't find the CS parry but here's slam getting parried by the darkness.

[warm plinth]

Oh dang. Val Kilmer died

Rip iceman

[mighty valley]

slam can be parried… this is gonna kill prot warrior

[urban bane]

[mighty valley]

rip gay perry from kiss kiss bang bang

[little ermine]

RIP Batman 😦

[violet ginkgo]

oh wow this is for real I thought it was the fool. Damn he passed away on april fool date, may he Rest in Pease then.

[jagged gust]

The Joker may have had something to do with it

[sterile citrus]

Should I ever recalibrate for mass destruction?

[violet ginkgo]

what is mass destruction effect?

[sterile citrus]

No idea... lol

[ionic nimbus]

4 Items to pick KEKW hc Lens is big

[polar thistle]

Mate. 5 chars with 8x10 dungeons. Dont test me.

[ionic nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/possibilities-endless-possibilities-sponge-bob-rainbow-gif-12940820

[round cliff]

i dont think ive done that many dungeons like

total

in the season

on 1 toon

[polar thistle]

All got bangers

So im happy

[ionic fern]

Precision is st,mass destruction is a AOE cleave.

[polar thistle]

Hunter has myth track priory+pacemaker.

[ionic fern]

Iirc the st one was stronger pretty much always.

[round cliff]

so now that its timewalking

whats the best route to gear a fresh 80

[ionic nimbus]

How much Gold do you have?

[round cliff]

depends

i "have gold" but i dont have gold

you know?

[ionic nimbus]

Nothing is faster than VIP Boosts

[round cliff]

yea no

i dont have gold

[sterile citrus]

is mass destruction what I should do for m+?

[ionic fern]

Test it just in case. Iirc the mass destruction cleave is split damage

Which caused the st effect to remain stronger.

[round cliff]

how can mud be a shit tier trinket for prot but a great trinket for vdh

whats the difference

why do they care abt mud and we dont

vers?

[lilac jetty]

fel scarred hero talent has a mini stagger, so the cd gets reduced to like 40s

[round cliff]

lmaoooo that sounds

unintentional

does that mean brm likes mud too?

[lilac jetty]

yea i believe they fixed it for brm so stagger doesnt work, but just didnt for vdh i guess

[round cliff]

small indie company

mud stocks going up

[vagrant arrow]

kinda confused to choose

[round cliff]

pacemaker every time

imo

you can turn any gloves into backalley crushers

you cant turn any trinket into bis trinket

[vagrant arrow]

ye i m thinking the same, cheers

i got hc tome and kezan tho

[round cliff]

kezan is pure st trinket

assbad garbage for dungeons

pacemaker is turbo mega bis for dungeons along with tome

u literally have the ideal setup now this isnt a problem

[jagged pier]

well if u chain pull its not

[round cliff]

yea and then a fuckin gnome rp's for 20 seconds

gg

[vagrant arrow]

got pacemaker indeed thx

[sour flicker]

yikes

[jagged pier]

fuck u

yikes to the best trinket

[ionic nimbus]

Plating!!!!!!

[sharp gale]

plating

[sour flicker]

I got the plating obviously

[sharp gale]

I didn’t see a lot of remnant of darkness today

Some trashmaster cloaks (even me)

[ionic nimbus]

If the content is not hard enough, play plating

[jagged pier]

here i am still with a champ tome

because my vault wont spit on out

and probably wont all season

like with sac

[ionic fern]

[gentle ore]

... man I hate having to work, didnt have the time to get last 4x10, was helping old friends get their alts some gear... back to priory prison yet again

[limber cosmos]

Dear protection warriors I need help. I know this is going to seem like some 1st world problem BS but I do not know what do I take in this position?

[sharp gale]

Depends on the content you do, if you can craft a shield (don’t take the shield), if you do mostly m+ (don’t take Kezan)

And what you have rn on you matter but with that ilvl/trinkets not really

[limber cosmos]

I do mostly m+, just timed my last 12 last night and planning to push (dont know if that context makes any of these items more or less relevant). I have a Hero track Mechano-Core Amplifier and Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker, also a 665 haste/crit shield from ToP

[sharp gale]

So Kezan is kinda useless to you / it’s a raid long fight trinket, you can craft a shield or pick any shield in your vault so the raid shield is not really a good option, maybe look for house of cards against your m+ vault rows

(Or is the row that bad?)

[limber cosmos]

That row is unusable. Helm, Chest and Boots. I got myth helm and chest and the boots are 675 crafted, plus the offered boots are verse/mastery. Simmed it just to make sure but they bad

[ionic fern]

House of cards.

For m+

[sharp gale]

Yeah house of cards is the go then

[ionic fern]

It lines up with cd's decently.

And is a really strong choice.

[limber cosmos]

Thank you ❤️

[sharp gale]

I would replace the mechano amplifier with it

[trim estuary]

Ayo prot friends. Started tanking on monday night on my warrior (havent really tanked anything before). Did my first +10 yesterday, and starting to feel comfortable with what the buttons do and dont do. On that note, any solid tips&tricks that I might not have realized that'll elevate my gameplay?

(I'm 646 ilvl, doing between 1.4-1.8 mill dps per dungeon in the 8-10 range)

[jagged pier]

we would need logs of how to play to give u insight on how to improve

[marble shadow]

Should I delay mythic track gear for the heroic cape from raid? Or opt for the mythic legs? I'm not sure tbh

[jagged pier]

legs

[nocturne cypress]

I mean if you're looking for general advice : don't be bad. Cheers

[marble shadow]

thanks fellow Jake, wasn't sure if heroic cape from raid would be worth opting for instead for wahtever particular reason

[jagged pier]

nope legs

[marble shadow]

appreciated :)

[sacred bone]

how big was the recent nerf on revenge damage

for colossus

[cerulean crystal]

Massive, unplayable class now

[sacred bone]

reroll DH?

[cerulean crystal]

But its 5% ST, 12% AoE but it honestly like... doesn't feel like much of a change

you still pump hard

[chilly brook]

I disagree with this

You lose one stack of eye per 2 seconds out of combat

You can keep it up at reasonable stacks or high stacks for most of these keys

Key word is most

[chilly brook]

I mean I definitely notice the drop in damage

[cerulean crystal]

Right but it's not enough of a change to warrant a change of talent sets/playstyle change imo

And we still do insane damage at least M+ wise it feels

[chilly brook]

Talents and playstyle no but you still notice it

Also nah

Other tanks were competitive with our aoe damage pre nerf

You want insane damage? Check blood dk

God forbid they nerf the most popular tank in the game though

[jagged pier]

no u nerf the second least popular because the most popular tank complained

[chilly brook]

T R U E

It’s okay though surely the least popular tank will get a buff and finally have a legitimate meta season in m+ right?

[jagged pier]

[chilly brook]

(Jk blizz doesn’t even like brewmaster)

[upper crow]

I'm torn between myth shield and myth tome. got a hero tome and a 675 crafted shield

[fast oracle]

can someone explain why thane builds tend to take spear and col builds take roar?

[ionic fern]

Tome in my books.

[jagged pier]

tome

[ionic fern]

Both builds can take both. The difference is not big between the two.

[trim estuary]

Valid. I'll get some uploaded when I have the chance. Should I post here, DM you or put it in #449510248579858432?

[upper crow]

got it. ty

[jagged pier]

here

[trim estuary]

Will do, ty!

[vivid lantern]

Is it weird that the ring sims highest for me? I was going to take gloves and make myth tier. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mxtMSQfRXHy1Rn8tTGrcp2.

are my current stats.

I'm currently using circlet, I have also have Strapped Rescue Keg, same IL then my stats are more even. 29% crit, 32%haste, 6% vers, 25% mastery.

[crimson furnace]

tier set shoulders or the ring??
pls help!!!

[dense shuttle]

Sweety Mythic Tome 😄 Does anyone have a weak aura for it ?

[lilac widget]

guys the piercing challenge talent in the execute prot build, is that to use spear at start of execute phase to guarantee rage for executes or am i way overthinking it and its just general use? cause in that case i think id rather take dragon shout, i dont have rage problems usually

[slender bison]

Champ spear for up front burst on Thane, Roar for fast agro since Colossus can't spam TC and needs rage for revenge on pull

You can run Champ Spear on CS too, but Roar is more consistent

Plus lower cd for pulls

[lofty warren]

on the new dungeon:
route says to to go room and kill everything and skip the snipers but the snipers are in the way to get to it. how to do?
there is a outlook post and they constantly cc me how to not get cc?

[slender bison]

What new dungeon?

[lofty warren]

operation mechanogon

the like really new one

[slender bison]

Floodgate

[lofty warren]

yea

[slender bison]

Wait for snipers patrol to go right

Then run and pull everything

When you start the snipers timing is you need to wait 3 sec for them to patrol back. Then run as group to the bombs

[unborn island]

You can also go.left, between the shreddinator and the troops on the bridge

If you do that no need to wait for the patrol

[slender bison]

This always leads to ninja pulls, all DPS are used to go with you after snipers leave

[unborn island]

Hasn't for me, guess I've been lucky

[hardy snow]

I had only two ninja pulls there, and one was because of my fat ass

[slender bison]

Guess I'll sit with heroic ML shield until I unsub 🤧

At least I can smash 12s

Just need more ilvl to get pug invites more consistent

[prime sphinx]

ring from carnage has same stats but myth track

[fast oracle]

makes perfect sense. thanks.

[lofty warren]

What about not getting cc by those wooden things

The guy sits in the watchtower and cc u

[unborn island]

Crafting?

[unborn island]

Can't do much other than break them down 🙂

[cursive agate]

Do yall track 4p proc to not potentially waste shield charge cdr or just ignore it pls?

[ionic fern]

I don't track it. Just keep an eye on your SC.

[west turtle]

I'm doing rikd reverb on mythic and the tinnitus debuff is fucking me sideways, is there anything I can do to deal with it better?

[oak ivy]

are you okay with doing less damage to survive a lil easier

[west turtle]

Of course

[oak ivy]

do not cast shield block. tinnitus/sonic blast is unblockable

full IP spam

[west turtle]

Ahhh makes sense

[oak ivy]

somebody is gonna be here in like 3min to tell you why that is dogshit terrible advice and i should uninstall but thats what i do

[west turtle]

Spell reflect should help with the 20% damage reduction I think

And spell block might also help

[oak ivy]

I think sonic damage is a strange anomaly of a damage type

iirc it pierces armor and shield like magic but isn't?

lemme check wcl

Yeahp it's brown text which is phys i believe

[sharp gale]

You switch at how many stacks ?

[west turtle]

5-ish

Sometimes wengo above or lower, depends on the mechanic

[sharp gale]

Okok, i Will reclear him on my warrior tonight so i’ll see

[oak ivy]

I love the set just before intermission where I get to eat 8 stacks cuz my cotank is ToD-ing barrels

[idle copper]

If you search up it was posted on here yesterday

[idle copper]

Roar is generally used to help with agro (45 second CD) as it can be used on most pulls.

I think some are taking spear selectively in dungeons like ToP as there are plenty of mobs that leap to ranged players

[dense shuttle]

someone linked it to me in private, but thx !

[heavy hazel]

Hi! When do we start to focus on other stats? my haste is at 38% base

[oak ivy]

Iirc the safe point to start looking for other stats is at about 17k rating

[hardy snow]

use defensive if you're going to get 5th hit, you can also swap at 4 stacks

[jagged pier]

tbh the taunt should be coming at those stacks

or hes about to cast channel and it resets

[crisp crown]

a 678 vers mastery ring sims higher then the cyrce's 658. is this bait or legit?

[lusty grotto]

sounds legit

[crisp crown]

wait its the other way around

i meant 658 cyrce's sims higher then my 678 vers mastery ring

[lusty grotto]

sounds legit x2

[bold mirage]

I think you would probably need BIS mythic tier rings fully upgraded to replace Cyrce's

[crisp crown]

Hmm alright..

[bold mirage]

Obviously sim though

[crisp crown]

worth taking the 662 bis belt, even though i got 675 crafted?

[lusty grotto]

no

ilvl is bis

[crisp crown]

ye i simmed it and i came here to ask if its bait, idk how believable cyrce's circlet is in simming 😛

[lusty grotto]

crafted should sim higher

[crisp crown]

aight

socket it is

[bold mirage]

feels bad I had to get a socket this week too

[crisp crown]

can u put socket on crafted belt?

any knowers

[lusty grotto]

of course

[bold mirage]

if it is a recraft from last tier I don't think you even have to do that, old socket just stays

[lusty grotto]

no it goes away

[indigo narwhal]

Socket goes away when you add new spark

[lusty grotto]

after you up it to this season

[bold mirage]

damn I did not know that

oh well

I guess that makes sense

[karmic stream]

What to focus on to improve (priory 12), i feel like ignore pain is lacking tbh

[lusty grotto]

we would need logs - also no, we're not gonna check IP uptime, its useless

[tender spade]

I'm coming back on prot, and either something is changed, or I'm failing hard.
When last I played prot warrior, a few times over the years, you could have shield block up 100% of the time.

Right now I have gaps now and then when it's not up. Is it normal, or me doing something wrong. I running m+ only, and with the m+ build on wowhead.

[lusty grotto]

how much haste do you have

[karmic stream]

maybe u got low stats

[lusty grotto]

and which talent did you pick

ITF or HR?

low haste = pick Heavy Repercussions

17k haste for Into The Fray without 4pc, 14k-ish with 4pc

and also what is your general talent build

are you running the wowhead recommended ones you are, check above though

[lusty grotto]

good talk

[fading tide]

How crazy is a rook 7 if I’ve never tanked a 7 b4?

[lusty grotto]

not much

7s are easy

very doable

[vital vale]

seems you forgot to rebuff after you died half way into the dungeon.

if this happens often you need to make a reminder weakaura

[latent pier]

Slow gearing my alt war via vaults, do I gaf about the trinket?

before i take the legs

[cursive agate]

Also 4p gives shield charge cdr, that will improve shield block uptime a bit

If you dont have it yet

[lusty grotto]

i think i covered that

[neon elk]

Damn 3 weeks of nothing now i have 2 weps in vault while having crafted one , sad times

[cursive agate]

Oh sorry, missed that

[lusty grotto]

no, its garbage

[latent pier]

thanks, boss.

[tired prairie]

Should i take 658 Pacemaker (Champion) or Hero Ritual Mud?

[lusty grotto]

guys

if you have a trinket question

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/protection/bis-gear#trinkets check here first

do you need a defensive option?

[tired prairie]

I know that Pacemaker is BiS and > Mud. But maybe because of Champ vs. Hero Mud is better?

[lusty grotto]

if so, mud is okay

both are farmable, so in the end it doesnt matter

that being said mud usage will nerf your 2pc procs

full absorbs prevent damage intake and reduce your procs

just a caveat

in general we prefer partial absorbs (like Treemouth in DF)

and/or Bombsuit

its fine if you dont have anything else and you feel like you need a defensive one

[tired prairie]

Thx! 🙂

[surreal lodge]

i looted tome myth track out of vault. i dont raid and only do m+. kinda feeling like

maybe it wasnt a great idea since its better ST from my understanding

[lusty grotto]

congrats, i still dont have it

you'd be wrong

[tender spade]

Not sure about stats, but don't have 4p. Guess it's haste and 4p then
I should be able to hit 100% as I hear you. I'll try and dive into the issue then

[lusty grotto]

it performs better in ST, yes, but its still giga bis

[surreal lodge]

its still better? i thought naybe bombsuit and pacemaker is better combo

[lusty grotto]

bombsuit isnt a dps trinket

[lusty grotto]

i hope you read what i said

right here #protection message

[cerulean burrow]

yeah what he says if you dont need a defensive trinket then pacemaker tome just goes brrrr

[surreal lodge]

bombsuit has value for pushing keys

[tender spade]

Depending on haste, I should swap talents. I got it
Thanks ☺️

[lusty grotto]

some Tome + Bombsuit for pushes

[cerulean burrow]

bombsuits not bad hell I explicitly take mud trinket for priory and floodgate but anything else is tome pacemaker (wish i had bombsuit)

[lusty grotto]

why wouldnt you want the ultra bis trinket

that performs better in ST (read: bosses)

you can sim if you want to

the ultra bis trinket that ALSO has a defensive magic mode

[cerulean burrow]

yeah tome goes very hard

[vital vale]

its single target damage proc alone ends up being 4-5% of my overall damage in dungeons. in dungeons! that alone covers for the lack of main stat, but on top of that it even gives you a good chunk of crit on a significant uptime, and if that wasn't enough, the magic absorb, while not significant, still makes this crazy trinket also contribute to your overall healing aswell.

plus you get to have a pretty aura around you

in town

Anyway, you picked the right item

[round cliff]

i thought tome was way better in aoe

since u can cycle back to crit boost more

[lusty grotto]

you also want melee range heroic throw, what can you do

cant understand uptime

[pallid quiver]

It cycles based on incoming attacks, so once more than one thing is swinging at you, you begin to lose value pretty quick since you can't stay in crit mode for as long as possible

You'll end up just sitting on the magic absorb + a pitiful amount of armor

[urban bane]

i was listening to poddyc and when they mentioned class discord demon only one person came to mind

and that was absolutely nimchip

[pallid quiver]

it's me

[urban bane]

haha nah

[pallid quiver]

nim that bastard, i'll get him

only i can further the goals of the dark lord

[urban bane]

fight each other with sticks!!

[pallid quiver]

I'VE GOT METAL STICKS

[urban bane]

[solid sun]

I read what you say even when it isn’t to me

[tender phoenix]

im curious how much vers should we have?

[jagged pier]

there isnt any number that does anything

[round pendant]

pain

[lusty grotto]

none

[jagged pier]

u need to get to about 50% vers for it to actually do anything

[pallid quiver]

pfff, speak for yourself non-cheat engine user

[round pendant]

idk if I take myth 2h for arms/fury or myth gloves/chest

[pallid quiver]

if you simply cheat and hack your vers to 200%, you're the stronkest

You just have to dodge the ban hammer then

[tender phoenix]

so just dump all into crit?

[lusty grotto]

no you dump all into ilvl

[jagged pier]

tankyness comes from play not stats really

but if having more vers makes u feel safer and therefore play better

then play vers

[round pendant]

ilvl > haste > crit > vers > mastery

shrimple

[solid sun]

I want to make a joke about mastery being the best stat

But I can’t remember the dudes name who was arguing it

And innocent bystanders may get confused

[tropic star]

there ever been a discussion about changing our mastery

it feels like warrior is already a brick wall when it comes to phys/blockable damage. and our mastery just makes us block more?

[pallid quiver]

Our mastery itself is good; it just doesn't do much for us offensively

[lusty grotto]

our mastery is fine

[pallid quiver]

It's still a quite handy stat to have, especially in scarier, larger pulls

[urban portal]

Most tank mastery is physical damage based

So not out of the norm

And the attack power makes bigger ip

So it’s not useless vs magic

[small steeple]

Guardian bear max health mastery would like to know your location

[solid sun]

Do you ever use last stand with another defensive? I have a healer friend who struggles sometimes and I’ll be cycling through defensives but the health bar is uncomfortably low so I’ll pop a last stand while shield wall is still up

Is that bad

[small steeple]

I use last stand as a big emergency heal, or if I know I'm gonna get one shotted to increase my ehp

Not sure if thats the best way though

[urban portal]

Last stand is pretty bad

So yeah if it gets dicey you gotta use something else

[cyan bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/bear-oso-brown-bear-grizzly-bear-kodiak-bear-gif-1642723818281521718

big bear

[urban portal]

Ye that’s why I said most

[jagged gust]

Last stand is a defensive? I just use it to make my IV bigger

[urban portal]

Vdh is spikes related, monk is dodge, prot is crit block

[lusty grotto]

it should affect our spell block crit chance iirc

which can shoot up to 100%

[small steeple]

prot pally is just block chance when in concecration right?

[lusty grotto]

so its not completely devoid of any magic dr

aside from AP into IP

anyway mastery is fine

[tropic star]

tyhoguht pally was just flat DR in conc these days. i admit to not being expert

[frosty mango]

I pretty much always use last stand with another defensive

If you’re gonna die last stand isn’t gonna make you die less - imo it’s basically “you have 10 additional seconds to save me”

[small steeple]

ok double checked myself. Prot pally mastery gives dr and block chance when in concrecration

[kind urchin]

Prot pally is damage reduction while standing on consecration

[frosty mango]

Though it does have some useful alignment with battle scarred veteran

[jagged gust]

It's IV with a longer CD

[urban portal]

It’s an iv that makes iv bigger

So yeah not great

[jagged gust]

yeah I think viewing it as a defensive is overselling it

well I guess that's silly, a self heal is considered a defensive overall

[smoky anvil]

It’s a baby def on a girthy cd, and it’s solid enough if you don’t treat it as something it isn’t

[frosty mango]

I’m not sure I’d call last stand a self heal

[jagged gust]

oh no it very much is tho, rally is the actual villain

[frosty mango]

It’s just displacing the health increase you gain - so in a way it’s healing you but I guess that only would really bring value if you were at critical health levels

[smoky anvil]

Rally is the ultimate placebo button

[frosty mango]

At that point it really won’t do anything for you lol

[frosty mango]

“I’m helping”

[jagged gust]

Increases maximum health by 30% for 15 sec, and instantly heals you for that amount.

[small steeple]

quite literally says heals

[jagged gust]

it really is a heal

[frosty mango]

Yes I’m aware it heals you lol

[small steeple]

"I’m not sure I’d call last stand a self heal"

[smoky anvil]

It’s a solid button provided you’re not in truly dire straits. It’s a pick me up, not an oh shit.

[jagged gust]

I miss the df S2 set tbh, just macro it to SS and forget it

[frosty mango]

But in order to get value from that heal you need to be in actual danger of dying otherwise you’re just giving yourself the illusion of value

[jagged gust]

yeah, that's why you press a heal

when you need to heal

[small steeple]

That misses the point? You heal because you are missing health

[ruby musk]

I bound last stand to shield slam back in S2 DF and never removed it.

[small steeple]

lmao really?

[ruby musk]

Yep

[lusty grotto]

yikes

[ruby musk]

I never notice it. It just does it's thing.

[jagged gust]

I'll be honest I only removed my SS+LS macro last season

[lusty grotto]

i mean you did notice it in DF S2

really bad to do so

[ruby musk]

Theres never been a time I'm like oh boy let me use this ability to save me.

[frosty mango]

And the heal you get from it given its cooldown is inconsequential - I guess I’d define a self heal as consistent and not cooldown based unless it’s substantial but fair point, it is a heal on yourself I’ll concede that lol

[lusty grotto]

since we played bolster

[small steeple]

why was that even a thing? I didn't really play much of dragonflight

[jagged gust]

S2 set made SS have a frontal shockwave like overpower after LS expired

[lusty grotto]

it gave you an aoe on hit after LS faded out

[small steeple]

oh damn

[ruby musk]

Yeah

[jagged gust]

for 20sec? it was kinda long

[lusty grotto]

since we used LS, we picked bolster as our SB extension talent

[small steeple]

I haven't used bolster since BFA

[lusty grotto]

no idea why you 2 would bind it to SS

[smoky anvil]

Bolster feels nice. I miss it.

[lusty grotto]

fucking gross

the macro, not bolster

[jagged gust]

use offensive CDs on CD

[ruby musk]

I just put it there with my other autosends (trinkets and such).

Its better than never sending it

[lusty grotto]

also tier had LS cdr

[urban portal]

Some guy here swore back and forth that bolster is good this tier

[lusty grotto]

yeah there have been a few

[jagged gust]

yeah, that happens

[lusty grotto]

throughout

[ruby musk]

I suppose I would care to unbind it if I ever did high content keys or raided mythic

[lusty grotto]

the only times bolster was any good was in BFA and DF S2, thats it

[frosty mango]

If last stand wasn’t a mandatory talent node to get to the other shit you need I wouldn’t even take it

[jagged gust]

you should see the talent tree that got popular with streamers the other week

[ruby musk]

But for what I do it's literally never mattered.

[smoky anvil]

I’d love if we could fit it, but, theres just better options.