protection

[small steeple]

Resto druid... say no more. For some reason outside of GOAT resto druids who have played it for a long time, I've yet to have a good one this season

[slender bison]

For some reasons healers in 12s forget to use CDs

[toxic pewter]

but like we recovered and had lust for final boss but one balance druid had saw me go down and basically gave up and did only 1 mil damage against final boss. we missed timing it by 18 seconds

i did more damage on final boss

than the balance druid

like we would of timed it

[pallid quiver]

It requires a lot of pre-planning to get the most out of your CD windows

otherwise your CDs other than tranq do jack diddle shit as resto druid

and most healers never think ahead or know how to deal with mechanics, just like most DPS and tanks

since most players don't know how to deal with things

[slender bison]

This is a healer season after all. Expectations are high

Tanks are just spank bots

DFC Blazikon is such a boring snooze for tanks but healers need to pump big

High discrepancies

[toxic pewter]

says I was dying over 30 seconds lol does that mean like my health was not topped for half a minute or how ddo I read this

feel like 30 seconds is a long death

[topaz kernel]

Any opnions on what should I choose on vault?

[small steeple]

what trinket and weapon a nd ring do you have currently? Those are all readlly good

[topaz kernel]

Rail Rider's Bisector (Heroic) as Weapon, Reverb Radio (Heroic) and Chromebustible Bomb Suit (Normal) for trinkets

Weapon is a safe choice, but I don't know much about this trinket

[pallid quiver]

Myth Tome is bis for any amount of single target work and can still be useful in M+ as a whole, as well. Wep is generally higher prio than ring, since a ring at lower ilvl doesn't impact you as much as long as it's still the right stats

Ilvl is very important for weapons since it gives wep damage, which fills into everything else

That being said,

For Tome, you have to be willing to play around it

It's not just send on CD like most trinkets; it requires at least some thought and tracking. If that sounds like too much effort, I'd grab wep

[small steeple]

Also, the odds of getting Myth Tome again is kinda low, and you can always get a different myth weapon/ring or craft em

[pallid quiver]

^^^

[long bronze]

tome takes zero thought what you mean

make a weakaura that checks if tome is off cd and you have shield buff, that puts text on screen - "USE TOME TRINKET"

done

[pallid quiver]

pressing it while in crit mode is big sad

[long bronze]

ez

[small steeple]

it takes 1.5 brain cells called reading it and pressing it

[pallid quiver]

And sometimes, if you have enough stacks, it's better to just let it passively go into crit mode

[topaz kernel]

Which trinket I have to pair with tome?

[long bronze]

not taking the BiS ST trinket by like 45k dps because you can't do that, idk

[pallid quiver]

Rather than swap to crit mode, then have it swap before CD comes back

[long bronze]

delete your toon probably

[topaz kernel]

I only tank M+, not raids

[pallid quiver]

Having to track it at all in any way more than "off cd press now" is higher thought that most trinkets that have ever existed

[small steeple]

true, most people just macro the trinket into a cd and never think about it again

[long bronze]

here I made you a wa

[small steeple]

type ` and ` around that to make it a code block

[toxic gyro]

You should take no dmg on final two mobs. You pop spell lock on those two and healer doesn’t have to heal you for 30 sec, after that you weave shield walls if they are still alive. Don’t use spellblock on previous pull.

[long bronze]

lol

[toxic pewter]

Yep I used it previous pull like a noob. Poor planning on my part. Never making that mistake again

I just never thought I would go down there. Never had trouble in past.

Now I realize my mistake

[toxic gyro]

Just use walls, reflect, other small drs on previous pull for tank busters. Only don’t use spellblock and you’ll be fine. Not to mention it will allow you to recharge walls for boss.

[toxic pewter]

Yep

No spell block there is giga troll

[toxic gyro]

The higher keys you the better planning it requires. Gotta learn somehow. No reason to be upset or ashamed to dying there.

[toxic pewter]

Yeah it was in a 13

[solid sun]

Got a myth track chest piece with haste and crit on it

Feeling good today

Maybe I’ll push to 3k this week riding these sick vibes

[peak iron]

is mud trinket the play here? already have myth track in the tier slots on here and crafted 675 bracers so feels like a choice between mud and the ring (i'm using champ track relic band and circlet)

[long bronze]

yikes

that's a S.A.D. vault if I've ever seen one

the ring is really good but hero track

[mighty valley]

i guess ring would be an upgrade for now, could also just take sockets

you could take mud if you really want a defensive trinket option but it's no bombsuit

[peak iron]

yeah that's what i'm feeling

[idle copper]

Its saying it doesnt look like a weak aura code when trying to import?

[long bronze]

im guessing when I stuffed it into the code block -

try this:

!WA:2!1nv3UTrru4A5lQ0csKgSIIc)itkekbPQseji4USbB1u5eB2Dtt4c66z35SEh6UZmDMztI7LwOkUopc(gUb4cFbpa5jyKfpb9ripbCgVUOIeX3SNz3V54VZ335Rr3vlxLUk9x)CLOYuW4GQ)jr9o84oZjvMCHQV0WeCT3mktlliJJGlnY13E72NOH2sftOg32Oy8NdM2BVTAC)SmnyGzeEkE7bcg3KCqNJJ6eiB)wTiotOkjMyzSHvclp1qUsAL2ikDiorsjgiaoh4MxJCrGayPNYOMC)9XJks6cMTxG2qugVKmgNPZ98XhgVjiNgncu6pEl1YY)Y3mwcbKkfzNBQ0qNlXoekHIIdPdvIl495fJhAFNKhdKctEaNucAVj6AeAVxRRswWMWQSm2LZIpy)WO4WO9dIU210fazu9gjF9Up6BE0E)l(bkaXheoOtVE(vi7sCQaOMsHeSvriRupUtVbDpP3vv8LS1Bl77)k79TFQTLpZaLxJmo2vCmsRHtEt16np7pMpcqBJLgMlUOpFMEXJaGqhlVN7w)NpJdOC9deIckoXThOeJuGw3(bhIn8lSFIDt7N5jVNtBphIQPYrck873r(b)V2xDrGZfP3GMnO4KINIcp6n)2vAOiREhWVFuu)J8ZeCJCLUk2lB)dveQIyiTJIMIsvamYzNBSMT1C8ycj95JWDso1VqqOV6k3KWr9uLNyifOSUwqzvHH5DZBug4fvmjqho7ToSHtG8rRjDn735n1bnvuMqmddsliAT7T(A2lbxXeh7cXdF0CDobfOZQ3MBovTGCoNY34caF5TVkthJloS0ytokS5OopwU1TJUagrshhNvieQC59VDGsfKYCIAZPPcoLvNkxYZFSMNF4Duxwx1q9ZyqILn2VxNUrtnI0ZRTK1B8NT2KrLTguhDJwgDDP5DsWoNXg5nltHRwHgN708M6KCx3RCcqs4bbD6C8Klek6PkICYPll2PIrN99hTF4tEqAW50xeKkkeQN0e)j382hSsbng)JGHZQNLdwCRgnA0CkMAa6Ie)V8UZy867HdH3veoRUCp7719AGODSf4Jm53fZlCbhMtXiPdrSl1R0Gt10tCqDtH9z(Leg)P2wjOYIkMLyFMn2o0(t31MMKGlEPGDLUUJTw(feXQ6KDF4x9TpC3vp)Vp7Fo

[idle copper]

That works ty x

[long bronze]

ggs

ill delete the old one so it's not cursed

[unborn island]

Literally better than what I got last week, plating, kujo trinket, boots.

[devout star]

tome of devotion or house of cards?

i have a hero of both

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-por-que-no-los-dos-yey-gif-15089379

[devout star]

both on use no?

[long bronze]

no

[devout star]

it has an on use ability

[long bronze]

you only press tome when you need to get it back to sword mode

[devout star]

which mode should i be in with it

[long bronze]

pins

[orchid mural]

I see that bloodmallet has this trinket as the highest at the moment? anyone have an opinion?

[small steeple]

and using Tome on use doesn't activate trinket on-use cooldown

[small steeple]

its wrong and using outdated data

[devout star]

i just saw that

[devout star]

which mode do you think is better for tome?

[long bronze]

pretty sure bloodmallet is trolling because A. it doesn't have Tome APL, and 2, that trinket should be doing 30% less damage for tanks

[small steeple]

I always keep it in Sword mode, unless there is a pack/boss that has a ton of magic damage

[small steeple]

the 30% nerf wasn't applied yet to bloodmallet sooo

[orchid mural]

thanks friends. myth tier pants it is

[idle copper]

Ive created a sound file "trinket" if anyone wants a voice reminder as well

W:\Games\World of Warcraft_retail_\Interface\AddOns\Custom

[long bronze]

why is it so sassy

[idle copper]

😂
https://elevenlabs.io/app/speech-synthesis/text-to-speech
I use this (its free) for text to speech - quite a few different voices

[fading tide]

Gonna try and tank my first plus 7 rook, any tips?

[lean aurora]

How great is Hekili for prot out of the box? I feel like it tells me spend a lot of GCDs on IP when things like SS are up.

[long bronze]

probably just uninstall that addon

[lean aurora]

Oh.

I see.

[mighty valley]

given that IP isn't on the GCD, i think you'd be better off learning without it

[small steeple]

well first of all IP is off the GCD, so that part won't work, lol

[long bronze]

if SS is off CD press it

use IP if your rage is gonna cap

keep SB up at all times

press your cds on cd

otherwise rage dump with revenge

now you're pwar gaming

[dense cradle]

i was doing an m0 on alt

the pwar had whirlwind 2nd on his damage

on bee boss

[fickle crown]

Hey guys, when opening the vault for prot, should I open as prot or another spec?

[long bronze]

prot

[fickle crown]

Thanks

[long bronze]

there's two items as prot you really don't want to see but chances at tome, myth shield, and myth 1h are worth it

cuz you're just as likely to get a bunch of 2h if you do arms

[lean aurora]

What's the 2 items?

[fickle crown]

Yeah I was just gonna ask haha

[long bronze]

mud and plating trinkets

[fickle crown]

👍

[small steeple]

someone shared this a couple months back...

[long bronze]

classic

[round pendant]

chad

[warm plinth]

That hurts me

[toxic pewter]

I have reached 3k. I was stuck and cursed at 2999 for like 20 keys that bricked lmao

I am not proud to say it

[dense cradle]

prot has slam?

[long bronze]

in the spellbook

[dense cradle]

i forgot it does

[toxic pewter]

if u aint slammin and whirlin around r u even a real prot warr?

[solid sun]

Now that you’re 3k what’s left to do

[toxic pewter]

now i go pvp

gotta get legend in solo shuffle

and regain my #1 vulpera arms warr in solo shuffle in world title

[solid sun]

What about raid

[small steeple]

Oh god thats you? lmao

[long bronze]

[toxic pewter]

dont really have a good enough guild to do mythic

[long bronze]

me either but we do it anyways

[toxic pewter]

I mean they are still on like heroic boss 2 or something

[long bronze]

CE on 2nd to last week gaming

[toxic pewter]

I only have pug raid and got aotc a long time ago

[solid sun]

My group secured 10 people. Can’t even pretend to be mythic raiders

[dense hill]

Just did a very dumb thing in a normal clear lmao,

[small steeple]

which boss?

[dense hill]

Stix

[long bronze]

all march 21 parses

[small steeple]

oh

[long bronze]

fuck

[dense hill]

Stole all the hyenas

rolled it into far bomb

solo demolishn cleaved

[small steeple]

lmao

[dense hill]

Ran back, taunted boss,

did it again

[small steeple]

and people wonder why they want to remove Stix from the All Star ranking lmao

[dense hill]

Post nerf gapped them

[long bronze]

we don't do normal anymore but my avg parse was 99.4 kek

if only I didn't have to roll around 😢

[dense hill]

I just usually do a few bosses to get my loyalty renown before raid

But that was a fun lil parse experiment, worked clearly lmao

2.42m dps third in raid

[long bronze]

that's cheeky

[dense hill]

I got my #1 screenshot for the tier, I can retire now lmao

[chilly brook]

Push for title?

Or push as high as you can

[long bronze]

I had this from week 2 where I was so close to our lord and savior sense

[kind glen]

Myth belt or Myth Pacemaker?

[long bronze]

I'd take pacemaker

can craft belt, a few options and 2nd boss drops a belt

[devout star]

wait wtf

[long bronze]

myth pacemaker has one place you can get

[solid sun]

I’m just a lowly blue parsing idiot gamer. I doubt title is in the cards

[devout star]

when do you use slam in the rotation?

i literally have never had it on my bars as prot lmfao

[long bronze]

it's your #1 prioirty button wdym

[solid sun]

Not shield slam

Slam slam

[long bronze]

how do you think people parse

they fucking slam boy

[devout star]

0_0

[solid sun]

You’re being goofed rn

[slow forge]

Remember the date.

[long bronze]

it is April 1st

[cerulean burrow]

now that was a knee slapper

[solid sun]

Apb probs not even 3k

[devout star]

holy shit

[solid sun]

Just getting us with a lil joke

[sharp gale]

I did green parse on stix myth…. bc I’m a bdk who do balls bc rl said so

[solid sun]

I’m sorry, buddy

[sharp gale]

It’s funny to see the Strat appear in stats, like guardian druids in the first weeks 500k dps on Rik: oh gosh you are among gods

[chilly brook]

It will never be in the cards if you think of yourself like that 😉

[idle copper]

Make a weakaura that shouts Slam at you when its off CD and spam it

[small steeple]

Slam has a cd?

[mighty valley]

No... but it does cost rage, and I'm not sure how to get that

Auto attacks I guess

[urban bane]

why are we talkin about slam?

oh it is april 1

[mighty valley]

you may not like it, but this is peak protection warrior

[solid sun]

When you’re pushing for title do you ever wish you weren’t a prot warrior

“I sure wish I had a couple death grips right now” or “freedom sure could be handy right here” morphing into “why am I playing prot warrior?”

[mighty valley]

the glee of getting title would turn to ash in your hands if you did it on a different class

[urban bane]

No

Those other classes are for mewling kittens

And they aren't fun

Imagine being a spec which wears a shield, presses its block button, and still you have a chance to not block something which is blockable

Hilarious

[strong forum]

"the grass is always greener"

[solid sun]

Where you water it

[peak iron]

what was title cut off last season?

[solid sun]

Bout tree fiddy

[peak iron]

shieet

[urban bane]

https://raider.io/mythic-plus/cutoffs/season-tww-1-cutoffs/us

Can swap to EU or other area using same site

[small steeple]

You mean prot paladin? They don't have a block buton ☹️ , unless you mean WoG?

[peak iron]

damn feels like itll be even higher this season

maybe 3600 for alliance

[small steeple]

oh it will be

[dense hill]

Anyone know any resource for boss hp/player count for flex raids this tier

[strong forum]

keys are way easier this season and have much less scaling

so title will be closer to 3.7 probably

[solid sun]

3.7 is so small

[strong forum]

the highest title has ever been was 3720

iirc

[solid sun]

Well, my friend, 3720 is way way way bigger than 3.7

[strong forum]

...

[mighty valley]

pack it in, jokes are over for another year

[urban bane]

oh that's right sotr doesn't even increase block

[solid sun]

Cmon nome, you totally smirked didn’t you

[strong forum]

nah i knew that thats what you meant the first time

[solid sun]

How do we view title vs other achievements like maybe late tier CE

[woven radish]

@edyy_ms 2998 myself currently, can't wait to time a key tonight lol

[small steeple]

based

[heavy hazel]

How mutch haste is to mutch haste? Where do we start to wrk on other stats?

[small steeple]

yes

[sharp gale]

I don’t see as same type of achiev (title and CE) even tho pushing keys with team is same-ish-ish process than myth progging, but title is a constant fight against other players and timed, CE is just timed

Title is More like HoF myth raiding kinda vibe to me

[chilly brook]

I mean people have gotten title on brewmaster so

I haven't pushed for title any season but I might this season and so far nothing I've done I've felt like "man I really wish I was another tank"

[sharp gale]

On brew and without bloodlust*

[lime mantle]

Paladin got like, 60 abilities, procs, tiersets, gimmicks and CDs to mimic a fraction of our power (100% block chance, sometimes more).
Like bro, shield in front of urself, this shit ain't fucking rocket science, you don't need to loop WoG into 6s avenger buff into balancing my mastery exactly at 36.173% into parry into whatever the fuck, just like, block the hit bro, i swear to god.

[small steeple]

bro thinks wow characters have real world capabilities

[lime mantle]

idk, I just know paladins can't press shield block then don't block, its in the name, shield block. it blocks. with shield

On a serious note; utility is a meme in pugs.

[lusty grotto]

this reddit topic is giving me aids

[small steeple]

thats the joke/point though, they don't have shield block. unless your memeing?

[lusty grotto]

i am now HIV +++++

[small steeple]

delete this before a mod sees it

[lusty grotto]

no

[small steeple]

your life my friend

[lusty grotto]

ive been here long enough

[lime mantle]

Isn't nim a mod?

[small steeple]

nope. he just Boosts the discord server

[lusty grotto]

no

[lime mantle]

Different color=mod

[small steeple]

Mods are Blue

[sharp gale]

I’VE PlaYED THIS GAME BEFOrE

[lusty grotto]

here you go happy

[lusty grotto]

https://redd.it/1jon62e ive already commented a few times

random redditors saying he should be pressing more IP instead of anything else thats relevant

LOL

typical redditor response really

that HPS breakdown is actually similar to Sense's with a MW

so stupid the community still thinks IP is all that after all these years

[warm plinth]

R/wow and r/compwow have to rank up there with the most useless sub reddits of all time

[lusty grotto]

they aren't too bad at times

but on warriors they miss the mark completely

[lime mantle]

I don't get it, warrior is nice enough to let the healer parse higher and then he complains???

[lusty grotto]

often

ask Choco with the mastery dude lmaoooooooo

[vagrant echo]

so why are people playing collosus now? better prio damage?

[lusty grotto]

better all damage

[lime mantle]

The what?

[warm plinth]

The dude with the thing

[sharp gale]

I just read the author thing, if I have to do 1 m overall healing on my Druid in a 6 ( there is no fort or tyr) I’m in hell (I like it personnally)

[solid sun]

The mastery dude

[lusty grotto]

some dude that said that mastery was our best stat and that we should only equip mastery

[solid sun]

Clearly

[warm plinth]

He's not talking about me btw

[lusty grotto]

and he had A LOT of comments with that premise

[warm plinth]

I'm mastery isn't a bad stat guy, not mastery is our best stat guy. Subtle difference

[lusty grotto]

im not saying mastery is bad, but you should never go full ass on mastery

anyway it was fun, choco kept linking replies, the guy was kinda convinced on it

poor choco

[lime mantle]

He's right. Mastery is tank-healer stat. Haste-crit is for dps. Vers is for pvp.

Duh wow is a super simple game for babies.

||going full mastery on prot warrior sounds like the most aggresively unfun way to play||

[small steeple]

How do people skip the circle packs? Invis?

[lime mantle]

Literally just walk past em

[sharp gale]

Fury spy 100%, he wants that mastery

[warm plinth]

Hear me out though. You stack mastery to the point where you no longer have to press shield block. That rage savings now gives you like, 300 rage per minute (made that up don't @ me). That's 10 extra revenges

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[sharp gale]

I do patrol and guys on top but you can invis or soothe I guess

[lime mantle]

No wait, you are cooking.
Mastery also gives AP. AP translates into moar revenge damage and more IP, so you can press revenge more.

[warm plinth]

Or even better, 10 extra whirlwinds

[lusty grotto]

nah happy

you can just go through the middle

2 dogs is a patrol

[sharp gale]

Yeah idk, I do them and I have never see a tank skipping it the few keys I healed

[warm plinth]

Is this the lynx thing

[lusty grotto]

no need to skip them in lower keys lmao

doggies are just evil in higher keys

[warm plinth]

Lemme in here with my 13 seconds of dungeon experience this season

[lime mantle]

No reason to do them in 14+, no reason not to do them in casual-ish pug keys and more chance of a muckup if you skip them with clowns

[lusty grotto]

they will get pulled in lower keys anyway

[lime mantle]

Yup.

[lusty grotto]

cause people cant go through packs without body pulling shit

at least in lower keys

[lime mantle]

Double bonus points if they pull it after dying and doing a walk of shame.

[sharp gale]

Yeah I assume pug can’t skip unless I’m not in Rio hell key lvl

[warm plinth]

I just wanna make a really, really important point here

[lusty grotto]

yes, go on Ghash

[warm plinth]

Lynxes are fucking cats

[lusty grotto]

you have the floor

ok fair

did you know Hyenas are cats?

[lime mantle]

These are honorary dogs.

[lusty grotto]

and not dogs?

[lime mantle]

And seals are dogs.

[small steeple]

I mean, pugs seem pretty good at following me in Motherlode for the skips in 1st section

[lusty grotto]

fact: hyenas are more closely related to cats than dogs, look it up

[heavy hazel]

horses are fruits

[lusty grotto]

ok yall trolling but im not

look it up and fact check it

[lime mantle]

Nim isn't lying, hyenas are feliforma.
I am also, not trolling. Seals are caniforma.

[sharp gale]

You are a hyena, look it up

[lusty grotto]

fact

wait no im a mouse

[small steeple]

Fact the Tasmanian Tiger is so distantly related to Humans, that when we shared a common ancestor, it was the mid-Jurassic

[sharp gale]

I wish I was a dog, getting belly rubbed when i get threat on my master

[lusty grotto]

this is a good fact

[toxic gyro]

You literally wait for the patrol to go left or right and just run through. No sooth or anything needed. You can have healer or one dps imprison, root, any out if combat cc the sharpshooter when it’s in a good spot so you don’t have to wait for them to patrol away.

[lusty grotto]

also a good fact from Happy

[cerulean burrow]

technically hyenas are their own complete classification of species but also yes they are more closely genetically related to cats than dogs despite their dog-like appearence

[warm plinth]

Cragmaw is a frog

[cerulean burrow]

genes are weird

[lusty grotto]

hmmm

idk about that one Ghash

ok let me see my dogshit vault this week

[sharp gale]

When I see the image I instantly thought about my kid trauma of that mf scooby doo movie

[lusty grotto]

why did i say something

at least i got Myth helm

[small steeple]

lol, in fact the Tasmanian Tiger is so distantly related that Dogs, Cats, Bears, Deer, Cows, Squirrels, are all closer related to Humans

[warm plinth]

He is a crawg, which were created by the blood trolls corrupting the babies of Krag'wa, the frog loa.

[lusty grotto]

ok ok

[warm plinth]

So I guess technically he's a tadpole

[lusty grotto]

something tells me i shouldnt believe you but

ill allow it

[sharp gale]

Why my kid ass old me got afraid of this

[small steeple]

is that you Shaggy?

[cerulean burrow]

please blur out jump scares like that

[lusty grotto]

its just a bunny

without hair

c:

[sharp gale]

And no balls

[warm plinth]

I was terrified after reading the horror at camp jelly jam

[small steeple]

and with claws...

[lusty grotto]

hmm

[warm plinth]

So, no judgment here

[vagrant echo]

how is it better damage? I'm not seeing better AOE damage

[lusty grotto]

where are you not seeing it

do you have a log?

did you sim?

[vagrant echo]

I'm on the tank dummies

[sharp gale]

Im terrified of frogs tbf

[warm plinth]

You're pressing tc too much. You're not pressing revenge nearly enough (should be top damage). Probably one or both of those.

[small steeple]

How is that aoe?

[lusty grotto]

this

[vagrant echo]

3 mobs...

[lusty grotto]

your breakdown should be Revenge > Demolish > SS

[small steeple]

Tank dummies are st only i thought?

[lusty grotto]

if its not, youre doing something wrong as Colossus

[small steeple]

unless theres more?

[sharp gale]

No there is a 5 t dummies

[warm plinth]

Badkad out here assuming blizzard spaces dummies out properly

(They don't. Ever.)

[small steeple]

yeah thats the normal cleave dummies, tank dummies specifically hit the tank

[warm plinth]

The man has a point

[lusty grotto]

link your breakdown

[sharp gale]

Can’t train on dummies on my boomie, I hit everything in the plaza

[lusty grotto]

dummy testing is so useless

[warm plinth]

Lol gotta love it

[lusty grotto]

at least for most scenarios

[small steeple]

woah, where that?

[warm plinth]

What in the fuck is that dummy layout lmao

[lusty grotto]

its in the towers

theres 4 towers each with dummies

[vagrant echo]

top of the tower in that little area

[small steeple]

shit the towers of dummies?

[warm plinth]

Blizzard is so good at this game

[small steeple]

I was gonna edit this to fix my typo but I think this is funnier

[warm plinth]

I honestly don't even know what you intended to say there

[lusty grotto]

thats where the dummies are

additional ones

[warm plinth]

There's one right here too

[sharp gale]

And where are the baddies

[warm plinth]

It's me

[lusty grotto]

in my pants

[vagrant echo]

anyway I'm doing 1.3 as col and like 1.6k as thane

[lusty grotto]

fact

[vagrant echo]

on 3

[lusty grotto]

why are you testing on dummies

[vagrant echo]

little hesistant to jump back into a 10+ not being used to collosus

[small steeple]

"shit the towers have dummies"

[warm plinth]

Oh

[lusty grotto]

nobody here has touched thane the entire season

[vagrant echo]

just got 4pc so I figured that's when you switch

[long bronze]

I did

[lusty grotto]

no

[long bronze]

I had the wrong talents on

[vagrant echo]

since you get extra SW uptime

[lusty grotto]

we went colossus the instant the season started

[long bronze]

boy was I surprised when I did the first pull

[lusty grotto]

not because of 4pc

[sharp gale]

The only thing I do on dummies is setting my keybinds on new spec or WA shit

[small steeple]

i used thane first time i killed normal mug'zee

for better execute

[lusty grotto]

hes talking about keys

[small steeple]

oh

yeah then screw thane

[long bronze]

I kinda wish thane was good again

I like the big boom booms

[south zealot]

whenever prot warrior makes reddit all the fucking morons come out to play

[sharp gale]

I did 1 key as thane (my first 10) and I never played it again

[lusty grotto]

yea

[south zealot]

so confidently incorrect

[lusty grotto]

no reason to test on dummies

unless you can match the time between them and eliminate variance

which includes not making mistakes and having a correct rotation

like this

[vagrant echo]

Yoda is still running thane?

[lusty grotto]

if your breakdown looks any different than that, youre playing incorrectly

oh for the love of fuck

[vagrant echo]

lol

also, you're not talenting bleeds

[lusty grotto]

huh

[dense cradle]

Why do people act like yoda is some all knowing authority

on specs

[lusty grotto]

idk

after he wrote that doc in s1

[long bronze]

yoda is currently complaining that tome doesn't do enough damage so

[vagrant echo]

cause he's a tank main and he doesn nothing but play wow

[lusty grotto]

he should be auto disqualified from any warrior convo ever

[long bronze]

apparently he doesn't know it gives a fuck load of crit

[lusty grotto]

just because of that doc

[dense cradle]

I mean he probably knows how to play tank in general at a higher key level

doesnt mean he plays the actual specs optimally

themselves

[small steeple]

no he doesn't, and yoda has stated for the record before that he is bad at prot warrior

[vagrant echo]

he's literally a top 10 player on every tank class

[lusty grotto]

the only reason your SS is lower than rend is not because of bleed talents

its because you suck at SSing

probably not outbursting it, not using luck procs

[dense cradle]

Hold on

where is ravager

[small steeple]

34 tc cast and 44 ss casts, somethings wrong there man

[dense cradle]

hello

[vagrant echo]

20% of the top 100 are running ravenger

I'm trying it out

[lusty grotto]

yes, so am i

[vagrant echo]

see how it feels

[south zealot]

just because someone is high io doesnt mean they know what theyre doing

especially as a multiclasse

[sharp gale]

Well it is a ST / non m+ trinket after all

[dense cradle]

nah wdym the vdh df s3 players who all ran

scales+Last resort

[long bronze]

why the hell wouldn't you play ravanger

[dense cradle]

truly god gamers

[small steeple]

he just wants it to do 40% of his overall like early ptr

[long bronze]

all my homies hate infinite rage in aoe

[small steeple]

because battering ram is better at low target count and you want/need to move ravager to either BssV or aoe kick

[lusty grotto]

no

you move SoF for disrupting

not ravager for disrupting

thats illegal

also this is a damage conversation so BSV doesnt matter

[small steeple]

you right, what was the second talent i was thinking of then?

[lusty grotto]

but regardless you swap battering for bsv

not ravager

[small steeple]

I thought this was a talent conversation as soon as someone said why would ever not play ravager

[vagrant echo]

I guess you need ravager to keep up with thane damage

🤡

[lusty grotto]

ok this guy is just 1 guying

and trolling

[vagrant echo]

that was trolling for sure

[lusty grotto]

idk why i kept the convo tbh

[vagrant echo]

lol

[peak iron]

we need to remove talents for warrior we shouldnt have to think about things like that just smash shield and revenge

[south zealot]

is indomitable bad now

ppl are taking bsv over it

[vagrant echo]

I'll try some keys out just wanted to check here first cause Dummies were showing me lower dps

[lusty grotto]

yes choco

[south zealot]

seems stupid as fuck to me but ik there were rage changes

[lusty grotto]

it wasnt that good in s1 to begin with, its just worse with colossus

[small steeple]

I mean, Battering Ram is better single target/low target count rage gen right? I've found I rarely need even more rage gen in aoe, but in st I always feels while not starved, not overflowing

[lusty grotto]

sure

indom can still be played with thane tbh

[sharp gale]

I think indom = bad is just due to rage nerfs + no more thane gaming

[lusty grotto]

yeah

also it heals for jack shit

[small steeple]

yeah, been nerfed patch/xpac after patch/xpac without any compensation. Gone are the days of BFA/SL indom

[lusty grotto]

we didnt run indom in BFA

[peak iron]

are the wowhead specs/guides just bad

[small steeple]

we didn't? god that was so long ago

[sharp gale]

You need your healing not get eaten by IP and healer to see indom and leech fight over what is left

[long bronze]

bring back legion inspiring presence

[lusty grotto]

if you came here to say you specced in indom in BFA you would have been flamed out

instantly

indom was only good in DF

thats it

[dense cradle]

i saw a guy running bolster last season

[small steeple]

What was on its talent row it competed with? And was it DF, not SL? Man my memory is bad rn lol

[sharp gale]

I think it was bc shield block issues or huge key pp Mich

[dense cradle]

No this was a guy with low haste saying itf was fine

and to just shield wall

[lusty grotto]

we've had a couple of people here with indom talented

[dense cradle]

if block isnt up

[lusty grotto]

this season

[south zealot]

yea but there wasnt really anything else to pick

[lusty grotto]

last season it was fine to go indom if you played BSV, cause you didnt go shield charge

[mighty valley]

yeah battering ram isn't impressive without tier

rip accidental permanent 20% crit damage...

[lime mantle]

It was no more pain, since it was just "more numbers For Free™️"

[small steeple]

Help me here, I don't remember what no more pain was

[dense cradle]

I dont even recall

how often 4p procs

[small steeple]

1rppm

so in aoe, a lot

[dense cradle]

Yeah i only noticed the vdh either procs never

or all the damn time

[long bronze]

my tier procs on intermissions every time

it's omega

[sharp gale]

That’s what ppm do, it is still kinda random or maybe idk how it works

[small steeple]

do you mean Pain and gain? I can't find "no more pain"

[lime mantle]

It was never surrender/bolster, you took bolster because AM worked with last stand, avatar and shieldwall so you used it to cover shield block downtime.

It was a meme to have a WA screaming at you to not press shield block

I was wrong, thinking of legion I think

(I had to go look up an archived guide lmao)

[dense cradle]

bdk 4p just feels boring

deathstrikes now cleaves

xd

[long bronze]

I mean all the 4p are boring

[small steeple]

yeah i remember using Last Stand between shield block charges

[south zealot]

AM was so unbelievably in bfa

fucking everything was on it

[dense cradle]

veng one is alright imo

[lime mantle]

the line with that was also the line with indomitable, never surrender (IP does 40-100% more ignored damage depending on HP missing) and bolster.

[long bronze]

so much demo shout uptime

[sharp gale]

I do 8 10s a week on bdk, 4p is really boring bc deathstrike is like my shield block and kinda weird to be emphasized to spend spend spend on it and not stay rotational

[long bronze]

deathstrike is a dps button wdym

[small steeple]

Think of Death Strike as Shield Slam. It just heals you a shit ton too

[sharp gale]

It is both

[lime mantle]

It was the correct AM.
Return it.
Also take demo shout off the GCD.
This will fix warrior utility (source: trust me dude I beg of you I need more APM)

[long bronze]

and san'layn has so much rp gen I'm not even sure how you could starve yourself

[small steeple]

Deathstrike, to never cap on RP, or when low hp

[sharp gale]

But if you have no rp to death strike = dead, so I changed my WA where my rune power bar change color when I’m over 70-80 (it means I have enough to double deathstrike)

[mighty valley]

god i forgot we couldn't take devastator in bfa

what a world

[south zealot]

bro tagged me in a message containing utility

[lime mantle]

I am almost sure I broke a mouse spamming devastate

[lime mantle]

You know I am right, please bring back BFA AM. I have rage issues to manage.
The issue is that I need more rage.

[dense cradle]

necrolord banner prot war rage

[sharp gale]

When damage is not high enough so you greed full gamble spend vamp strike in dance rune, I can have smol timings of rp but yeah it is not that big this patch

[south zealot]

bro wouldve loved banner

[long bronze]

I had infinite RP last patch, I can't imagine with even more haste now

[marble shadow]

Hi, should I remove ascendance on sword to put x2 duskthread lining on shield and vambs?

[south zealot]

bad cd usage leads to chasing

[dense cradle]

people played kyrian more in dungeons didnt they

[marble shadow]

im an idiiot, did 3 embelish :(

[south zealot]

before double legendary yeah

[long bronze]

I'm still angry that they chose spear to carry forward

[south zealot]

banner, while insanely fun, is problematic

forcing you to stay in combat is bad

[long bronze]

[lime mantle]

I try not to acknowledge SL, you can't make me acknowledge SL, it has gotten to the point I selectively remove the dungeons from memory once I am done with them.
I just don't like the (gameplay) concept of covenants because I don't like having to get 4 chars or get fucked out of my cool ability (I think they changed that in patch .3 but idk (I was also busy during SL))

[dense cradle]

they brought condemn

you just need to talent massacre

to see the animation

[south zealot]

condemn is beans

[long bronze]

no

condemn could be used 100-80 too

and it was RED

[lime mantle]

Fuck the healer, take a mana pot and drop combat with nelf racial.

[south zealot]

not just that

any forced downtime you needed to save banner for

so you didnt start a pull without one

if someone dies you get fucked

super cool and fun but problematic

[lime mantle]

It sounds incredibly fun, but also incredibly fucking obnoxious/degenerate in actual, serious gameplay.

[south zealot]

it was funny seeing people have HORRIBLE banner uptime

[toxic pewter]

I miss shadowlands.. was such a solid expansion that got way more hate than it deserved

[south zealot]

i started the expansion in 9.1.5 and it was fun

but before then it was shit

so i got a lucky experience

[toxic pewter]

nah entire expansion was good imo

its just fashionable to hate it.. I find it awkward actually at this point

[lusty grotto]

the exact amount of hate that it deserved

[toxic pewter]

nah

its just fashion

[lusty grotto]

sorry bro

not fashion

i actually unsubbed before any major name

[toxic pewter]

O_O

you missed some good times then

[lusty grotto]

i mean streamers

community

etc

i aint following a fashion

it was fucking dogshit

[toxic pewter]

Not really though

[lusty grotto]

ok but im the most anti bandwagon person ever

to the point where im arguing with redditors onthat stupid thread i linked earlier

and I considered it dogshit

so yeah maybe there's a few people bandwagoning, there always are, but that doesnt take away the fact it was a fucking terrible expansion that extendd a lot of garbage that WoW had built over the years which was bad

[mighty valley]

god that reddit thread is infuriating because like....... yeah this player looks like they suck

[lusty grotto]

yea

[mighty valley]

and everyone's using that to jump in with their very wrong opinions lol

[lusty grotto]

exactly how i felt

[mighty valley]

anyway i do understand people who didn't like shadowlands, there were some legit problems

patch cadence really slow, probably mostly due to covid

everything about conduits: bad

but i have fond memories of it because covid brought tons of my friends back to the game lol

and nathria was a banger, saving the part of the expansion with the worst meta problems

[snow island]

what loot spec are yall opening your vaults as this tier?

[mighty valley]

prot, all the good trinkets can be looted in prot spec

maybe you could argue switching to arms once you have tome/shield/1h locked down but it's a really small beans difference either way

[restive oak]

i had the most troll vault ever

[idle copper]

What is the r in 1rppm?

[strong forum]

Relative

[torn gulch]

kek

[small steeple]

Real

[snow island]

sick ty

[idle copper]

How does that equal it being alot - "so in aoe, a lot"

Sorry probably stupid question?

[lusty grotto]

you asked what the R means

it should be Real

[idle copper]

Sorry the original answer he followed it up with the quoted bit

[lusty grotto]

eh?

[idle copper]

2 secs I'll find the whole thing

[lusty grotto]

each time you take damage

so in aoe

there's more than one instance of damage happening in parallel (well not really but kind of)

[small steeple]

So basically, the way Real Procs Per minute works is it has a counter for when the last proc was, which is currently 3.5 seconds. The tier set has a 0.5 icds

So The probablistic weight is aimed at having 1 proc in a minute. regardless of hit rate

But

as its only 3.5 seconds, and in huge aoe you can get hit 10-20 times a second, it can and often will proc

[lusty grotto]

lets say you have 1 mob doing 1 white hits on you, vs 5 mobs doing 5 white hits on you, at the same timeframe

which one is likely to proc more?

that should answer your question

[small steeple]

Because it only checks the last 3.5 seconds for it

[jovial cradle]

how much haste are we trying to have?

[mighty valley]

much

[lusty grotto]

as much as possible

[idle copper]

Ty, don't really understand it but I'll take it as you've said it's better in AoE
Ty x

[small steeple]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNYC-WZoZfk
an indepth video if you care to watch

[lusty grotto]

did you not understand my example?

[jovial cradle]

at 14.7k now, keep going then?

[lean aurora]

I do love that thumbnail.

[lusty grotto]

absolutely

[idle copper]

The principle yep but to me that would me it's more than 1ppm

[lusty grotto]

its 1 ppm triggered by damage taken

[small steeple]

ahahah actual procs per minute vs real procs per minute, see it has a real proc per minute of 1, but that is merely the weighting

[lusty grotto]

you dont trigger it unless youre taking damage

[toxic pewter]

I got a bomb suit kind of a cool trinket

[small steeple]

but in actuality when you take into account attempted procs, the actual proc rate can be higher

[lusty grotto]

so the amount of times youre taking damage from different sources is directly related to how often it will proc

[toxic pewter]

they should uncap our rage from damage taken get rid of the 1 second icd

i want to have giga rage

[small steeple]

at time stamp 7:13 it goes into a damage taken example

[lusty grotto]

any trinket, for example, usually has PPM associated to YOU dealing damage, or time in combat

not associated with taking damage, first line in the set bonus

but yeah i suppose that video could cover it

[idle copper]

Ill watch it ty

[small steeple]

? sorry what do you mean here? oh wait are you saying for example trinkets/other rppm items that aren't associated with damage taken?

[lusty grotto]

yes

[small steeple]

BOT

<@&257983573498265600>

[mighty valley]

can't believe you'd call nimchip a bot...

[violet ginkgo]

well I mean... it's hard to believe he ping mod too.

is this sort of late april fool or anything?

[toxic pewter]

Is this real

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-r2d2-beeps-provocatively-annoying-gif-4059356

[small steeple]

its almost like there was a bot message that got deleted

[lusty grotto]

yes

it has been a thing for

an expansion and a half

[peak iron]

first dungeon trying out colossus whats the major feedback here (other than thunderous roar which i realized midway through i didnt have keybind for oops)

[lusty grotto]

you had to fucking fly from the docs to the dumb portal room

and suffer that god awful city

[lusty grotto]

logs

[toxic pewter]

No the portal has been sending us to the docks for along time. Is it bringing people back tot the portal room now. I just saw that pic on Reddit

[lusty grotto]

otherwise nothing that we can tell, that breakdown looks decent

[long bronze]

imagine being horde

[timber nest]

20k haste is still the "breakpoint" for INTF?

[lusty grotto]

it happened on my horde alts

i aint horde, but my pally is

[toxic pewter]

Horde ftw

[lusty grotto]

no

[toxic pewter]

Ok cool

[timber nest]

always INTF?

[lusty grotto]

17k for ITF, unless you have 4pc

[peak iron]

okay cool will see if i can get logs for a run later, definitely fucked up a lot of stuff in terms of proper gameplay

[lusty grotto]

which can be lower

[long bronze]

4p or no less than 17k haste feels like buttcheeks

[peak iron]

is IP just not as important for colo? feels like i dont have rage to keep it up all the time with the need to revenge spam

[long bronze]

you don't NEED to revenge spam

but if you didn't die you pressed IP enough ig

[lusty grotto]

having it up is fine, just maintain it with revenge

see No Stranger to Pain

and Brutal Vitality

so youre not using it constantly

just do damage

[long bronze]

proper use of SW, SR, SB, SB, etc further reduce the importance of having IP up

[lusty grotto]

just use it the same way you did with Thane, when about to cap rage

[toxic pewter]

What key level u guys think this bomb suit worth it

[peak iron]

okay gotcha just checking as i feel it will become less cozy when i do a higher key this was just a 6 to dick around with the build

[lusty grotto]

its just way harder to constantly cap as Colossus

so those 2 talents go hand in hand with it

anyway IP isnt that important

[long bronze]

not until I die to something I couldn't otherwise outplay

I can't think of many things that justify it personally

[lusty grotto]

apb when did you create your character

how do you constantly get good drops

when I STILLDONT HAVE TOME

[toxic pewter]

Like this specific warrior I play?

Made in bfa I think

[lusty grotto]

i swear you have a magical GUID

[toxic pewter]

Dude I just won four drops off gallywix LOL

no joke

Shield

Trinket

[long bronze]

I've thought about deleting my warrior

[toxic pewter]

Curio

And shoulders

[lusty grotto]

my only good trinket is pacemaker

[toxic pewter]

Damn

[lusty grotto]

i have nothing else

[long bronze]

she's from fuckin TBC and has a cursed guid

[toxic pewter]

U need to run all tank group for tome

Let’s do it

[lusty grotto]

mines from vanilla

giga cursed GUID

[peak iron]

is heroic signet or normal pacemaker better for m+

[lusty grotto]

signet is bad for us

[long bronze]

signet isn't so hot but

ilvl may beat out

sim it

[lusty grotto]

yeah

very likely

[toxic pewter]

My original warrior was a Troll

[peak iron]

it was simming weirdly high for me thats why ive been using signet even tho i understood it to be bad

ill check again

[lusty grotto]

depends on how youre simming

timing means everything

its a 2min trinket that doesnt fit our cds

short sims might favor it if they dont go through full cds rotations

etc

[long bronze]

also if your crit > haste it'll prob have more value

[lusty grotto]

like a 1 min sim will be better for signet than a 1.5 min sim

[long bronze]

not comparing items with 10 boss 20 second sim smh

[peak iron]

i only tank for m+ so ive been doing dungeon slice

[lusty grotto]

dungeon slice not optimized for our APL

do 5 target patchwerks

at 1min or 1.5 min (see above)

[long bronze]

I just sim ST and AOE comes out in the wash

[lusty grotto]

it works, its just not optimized for it

[sharp gale]

I have mechano amplifier as second offensive trinket (it’s the one I would switch to bombsuit when I want to use it)

[lusty grotto]

i have a champ amp

c:

[sharp gale]

Me too

[long bronze]

ah see this is the ideal way to sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1pVEauucpf3jT7z76E1wiK

[sharp gale]

I don’t spend crests on hero tracks items anyway so champ = hero track to me until I can waste my crest (take a socket in vault)

[lusty grotto]

perfect way to sim yes

lurkers: we're joking

[lean aurora]

For wowanalyzer - does the big warning that it hasn't been updated for Prot Warrior in 11.1 matter? Still great?

[sharp gale]

Hectic cleave add 20 sec 30 targets stat weight

[lusty grotto]

wowanalyzer isnt updated for us

dont use

[lean aurora]

Gotcha. Ty.

[lusty grotto]

not great

[lean aurora]

Anything great?

[long bronze]

pop that shit into pawn and use it the whole expac and you're g2g

[lusty grotto]

raidbots

[lean aurora]

Ty.

[lusty grotto]

and us reading logs

[sharp gale]

If it’s in 11.0.5 state I think it fine for most thing prot related

[lean aurora]

Just trying to look at The Good Warriors to see why my 'lil guy parses single digits.

[lusty grotto]

yeah but we dont know if this guy updating is is here

so he might have some useless metric tracking

[long bronze]

prob not hitting your buttons

[lusty grotto]

it used to be good because Abelito was a regular here, but Abelito is no longer supporting it (and hasn't been for a while)

[lean aurora]

Def. not hitting the right buttons in the right order.

[long bronze]

I guess a lot of people don't anticipate the APM pwar has

[peak iron]

didn't you hear? they fixed the pwar APM issue

[lusty grotto]

we like high APM here

[peak iron]

now it plays like a classic wow mage in raid

[lusty grotto]

lmaooo

[sharp gale]

Ofc Nim, wowanalyzer has a lot of useless stats / you need to know more than new player to use it, bc it has to fill the void of : you want an answer without asking a question

[lusty grotto]

you know that

[lusty grotto]

but most people that check there dont

thats the problem

[long bronze]

I get a whole 1.3% time to relax

[lusty grotto]

like it'll probably grade you on IP uptime which doesnt fucking matter

and people that arent here might think is something to actually improve on

[lean aurora]

I'm here and def. thought that was something to improve on.

[sharp gale]

Who cares tbh, it is the exact same issue/phenomen with BiS List, talents, bloodmallet

Let people be bad unless they ask how to not be bad

[lusty grotto]

i dont

im just making the distinction for him

[lean aurora]

And I appreciate it.

[urban portal]

Waiting time isn’t what you think it is

It’s time where all actions in the APL return false

[sharp gale]

Yeah you are right to make it Nim, like to explain how to see wowanalyzer is basically like explains how to check a logs, so you can skip checking wow analyzer anyway

[lean aurora]

We don't use bloodmallet then.

[long bronze]

that kinda sounds exactly like I think it is

[lusty grotto]

bloodmallet is fine, you just gotta be careful with sim bait

[normal thorn]

I can clear Rik but don't know when I'll get a sword.
Gloves is 100% value and not replaced.

I can craft a sword if I have to I believe. What should I go for? Opinions?

[sharp gale]

When you search info Cornmeal, you always want more context, so if you check bloodmallet, you need to check WHY, WHAT, HOW on those trinkets

[lusty grotto]

week 5 and you have a champ sword, and i was complaining about my guid

[long bronze]

both are kinda likely to get candidates, you have a champ weapon though

[normal thorn]

No this is an alt

[slow forge]

I’m bouta buy a 3 pack race change. Should I make my Prot War Dwarf or DID?

[peak iron]

i just did this yesterday and ended up picking regular dorf

[lusty grotto]

dwarf is more defensive DID is more offensive, both serve the same purpose, pick whatever you think looks better if youre not pushing, otherwise dwarf

[long bronze]

i'd get gloves and craft weapon if I didn't get the rik one

[normal thorn]

Plus champ = hero anyway unless you break into mythic but dont really do that

[normal thorn]

I agree. Just wanted to know if I overlooked anything

[lusty grotto]

yeah idk

[long bronze]

crafted -> myth isn't that big, and this early in season I always go for crests I know i'm not going to be replacing

[lusty grotto]

if he can clear myth rik, hes also clearing carnage, so he can get gloves there

[long bronze]

yeah but

[lusty grotto]

kinda seems like a toss up

[sharp gale]

I check in the first week the trinkets on wowhead guide and comments on them if one is worth chasing / then I just sim what I drop

[long bronze]

he's probably pretty high on list to get rik weapon

[lusty grotto]

is the 1h guaranteed? no DKs?

[long bronze]

where gloves is RNG on RNG

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[mighty valley]

wowanalyzer doesn't appear to say anything obviously stupid or misleading but some things are busted, like it's telling me i cast zero shield charges and only half the ravagers which is def untrue

[lusty grotto]

thats true

[normal thorn]

dk 1h
Bro?

[long bronze]

and you'd probably use rik weapon anyways over that

cuz it's crit/haste unless your stats are otherwise wonky

[normal thorn]

I would (per bis on wowhead at least)

[lusty grotto]

i mean idk, casual guilds clear Rik

so frost DKs can happen

[mighty valley]

fdks are true believers

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

[long bronze]

fdk need to be commited

it's not fun even when it's good

[normal thorn]

Oh I have 2

🤔

[sharp gale]

Anyone here still has an Aug in their raid ?

[toxic pewter]

i havent seen a single aug all patch

not even joking

[sharp gale]

Not myth only question ofc

[lusty grotto]

yeah we have one on heroic

[sharp gale]

I think people who are still Aug now, they are the one who just dc about anything and butterfly enjoy the game

[lusty grotto]

they could enjoy buffing people

its a thing

and has been for a while in MMOs

[lofty warren]

Where will thos put pwar on the tier list? Sims available yet?

[mighty valley]

shut up shut up shut up shut up

[lusty grotto]

lol

i see these this morning

and i was like oh

[long bronze]

I want a glyph for the charge thing

[normal thorn]

On my team list, who uses 1 hand str/agi? Who uses war token?

[sharp gale]

You can @ nome for those questions

[mighty valley]

pepega's dog could get stolen and he'd be like "how will this affect the tier list"

[toxic pewter]

the wow april fools day notes are nice cushion to soften the trump tarrif day tomorrow

[normal thorn]

I'm the prot pal, going war.

[lusty grotto]

i mean he could be doing an aprils fools bit too

[mighty valley]

maybe it's a committed bit

yeah maybe he's self aware about it

[lusty grotto]

FDK

[mighty valley]

and is Riffing

[long bronze]

and the ppal

[toxic pewter]

war token monk evoker warrior and uhhhh rogue

[lusty grotto]

tier is war, monk, rogue, evoker

maybe

[sharp gale]

I did a good old pug split for tier on my war

[mighty valley]

the extremely devoted single minded fury warrior

[lusty grotto]

just dont pick until you reclear

ez

[normal thorn]

I'm the ppal

[lusty grotto]

and then wow audit will put that 1h for a million more dps

[normal thorn]

It looks like 5+ are on my tier while only 2 need the 1 hand

So numerically I'm coming up for the 1 hand if I get it

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cam-cat-camera-cat-wide-cat-wide-gif-16729570673879006163

[lusty grotto]

or

you could just not

pick

and wait until after the reclear

like i just said

[normal thorn]

[lusty grotto]

so?

[sharp gale]

Me with 3 plate, 0 1 hander in guild raid ahhh

[solid sun]

Hey @strong forum i see on your WA suite you have the IP amount as a number that shows up, but I'm not seeing anywhere that shows the time left on the buff. Is that not particularly important to keep tabs on? 'Cause we can press IP enough through proper rotation to just re-up the timer?

[long bronze]

it's cool my raid has 1 rogue, 1 monk, 1 war and 1 evoker and yet I've gotten tier in my vault every week basically

[sharp gale]

Everything plate until stix is in transmog roll next will unless I bring my warrior

[sharp gale]

Idk his wa but if it has an IP the bar it is the timer, the amount is the digit number on top

Like shield block bar/line which is the uptime of shield block

[solid sun]

Nah, he has the number appear and iirc it's a different color based on stacks of IP

[mighty valley]

i never ever thought about ip remaining duration until this patch when it's.......... sometimes a lil relevant

[lusty grotto]

he doesnt track time left

i dont need it either

[lime mantle]

Pug without voice?
Tier S++ if you live alone, cuz if you yell into your mic you do more DPS.
I can't play it, my wife kicks me out if I do 😦

[lusty grotto]

he probably feels the same way

about IP's duration

[sharp gale]

Yeah I was saying that bc I know the most popular /luxthos the bar is the timer

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[solid sun]

Oh yeah nimchip well not everybody is a computer

Some of us are mere mortals

[lusty grotto]

you still get rage cap moments

so youre still pressing it

thats my point

you shouldnt track 20 million things

its not important

because youre not a computer

and neither am i

[solid sun]

I've definitely had a few moments where IP timed out probs because I was hitting way too much revenge. Kinda seemed like a good thing to have around

[sharp gale]

Like people using raid WA package and not deleting /turning off double, triple or quadruple same info but as bar/icons/circles/tts

[lusty grotto]

ive never felt ive needed it

tbh

[sharp gale]

I do personnally for later bosses / like sprocket rn

[lusty grotto]

i mean

maybe for rik

but i can just look at the number

is it up?

then IP is up

[sharp gale]

Oh I was taking about the raid mech WAs

[lusty grotto]

oh

[sharp gale]

People having christmas tree screen bc they don’t know they are supposed to choose which form they want their info

[mighty valley]

there's a kind of niche scenario where i'm high but not capped on rage, IP has ended up pretty high but is about to expire

where i'll press it to extend it and take the risk that i'll miss a SS reset from merely two revenges instead of three or whatever

but 99% of the time duration is irrelevant

[solid sun]

I have that timeline weakaura that makes like a vertical timeline of abilities. It's so nice

[sharp gale]

It was a side example of 20 trackings but you personnally need just that one in that form

[lusty grotto]

yeah

[fading tide]

How do you guys pull the first area in cinderbrew? I have a lot of trouble there

[austere latch]

how long do we keep Cyrce's Circlet? Is it still better than 678 rings?

[lusty grotto]

as long as it sims better than other rings

[mighty valley]

myth rings typically outdo it

but let the robot figure it out

[slender bison]

Which dungeon timer do you guys find most restrictive? Mekagon seems to require perfect plays and skips in 12s

Even for a shot at the last boss

[sharp gale]

Priory but that’s why they added 1min30

[lusty grotto]

ToP can be restrictive

[mighty valley]

top and workshop just don't have a lot of ways you can speed it up

restrictive pulls

[slender bison]

Yea, and Mekagon Mekagon mechanics are punishing

[sharp gale]

The less restrictive is ofc DFC

[lusty grotto]

i wish people wouldnt call it mechagon

[slender bison]

Wanted to drink water? Dead

[lusty grotto]

and go by workshop

like in the 5 whole seasons the dungeon was put in

previous seasons

[slender bison]

The dog boss is also a huge time sink, lots of downtime

[solid sun]

I think Operation Mechagon: Workshop is relatively free.

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[solid sun]

You can move the dog so that you can still hit it while hiding

[lusty grotto]

yea

you dont really lose anything on dog if doing it correctly

or abusing the buff, rather

like in the 5 whole other times the dungeon was put in

lmao

at this point they should just delete the dumb box

[slender bison]

Really need an upgrade tomorrow in the vault. Hope it's not Cloak Wednesday

[lusty grotto]

dont worry

cant be worse than this

c:

[slender bison]

Catalyst, no?

[lusty grotto]

i swear to christ if i get another myth uncata'd piece next week

im just going to unsub

and/or if i dont get tome this week

yeah im catalyzing it

its the only pick

[mighty valley]

wonderwall should've been the bis shield tbh

[lusty grotto]

lol

at least 2 song related items there

bis ring is also song related

third eye blind song

wonderwall and semi-charmed kind of life

[slender bison]

Think we can get away this season with ToP+DFC haste/crit rings until unsub

Generous tank loot

[lusty grotto]

yeah im not stressing over rings

[slender bison]

And 2 crit/haste shields

[lusty grotto]

suprising short amount of haste/vers items this season, which makes me happy

for obvious reasons

[slender bison]

I don't think they even know what to do with Vers since 3 expacs

[lusty grotto]

minimal crit vs vers discussions are ☮️

should just make it resilience and thats that

remove it from pve

but then keys would hard cap

thats the problem

not a tank problem, but group problem

[strong forum]

i wish