protection

[sharp gale]

even in team, it requires A LOT of coordination

[small steeple]

her der just be a prot paladin or vdh

[unborn island]

Hard cc'ing one is a good safety blanket

Tbh, I've done a few priories lately

And it's nowhere near as bad as I thought initially

[dense cradle]

probably part of the reason vdh is popular rn

[steep condor]

relatively new tank - ok to stay in defensive stants?

[unborn island]

Just very healer dependent, and requires DPS who knows what a defensive are and can actually do damage

[steep condor]

if not - when shuld i switch?

[sharp gale]

like if you recognize this pack in CoT, 3 casters, you need over 15 kicks to not die

[unborn island]

D stance always fine

[steep condor]

ok thx

[unborn island]

That pack is illegal

It's there for skipping

[sharp gale]

it is illegal bc 3 casters is hell to manage

[unborn island]

It might as well have had a sign saying 'you should do a skip here'

Yeah, that pack specifically though, even with coordinated kicks is problematic

Thank fuck we won't be doing CoT again for a while

[sharp gale]

at the end i can't avoid the 3 casters on my 14th pack but it's fine

[vocal flame]

That one pack in 14 is so close to the other one

if you look at them they pull lol

[sharp gale]

when i'm there i just wait to be 100% sure to not pull, i prefer waste 10 sec than wipe

i wait by doing the bottom pack of 14

[solid sun]

I think the second pack in that 13 is connected to another pack on the side

[sharp gale]

nop

[toxic pewter]

is this true in m+

[solid sun]

Everytime I’ve just used like a heroic throw on that pack it pulls both

[sharp gale]

in 12s 1 death is 15 sec

[toxic pewter]

ok right

just had 13 deaths

in a +13

timer was too tight after it

[vocal flame]

same or even just a taunt

[solid sun]

Yeah I just avoid both of those packs now

And stay on the right side of the room

[sharp gale]

which one you mistake pull ?

[solid sun]

The pack you have in 14 that’s stationary is so close to the second pack in 13 they always come together

[velvet river]

What hero talent tree do most people play in m+? Colossus?

[solid sun]

Just like undead said, I’ve tried both taunt and throw and they always come together

[sharp gale]

idk i never mistake pull, you do the pack in the stairs right ?

[long bronze]

yes

[solid sun]

Yeah when I was trying to pull those I’d stay in the doorway

Towards the right

And pull

[sharp gale]

what pug bodypull is this one

[solid sun]

Both would come

[sharp gale]

i charge shieldslam shield block the first and heroic throw the second

[solid sun]

I do the exact opposite side now

[sharp gale]

it is the same just you have either 1 more lightspawn or 1 paladin in 13

[solid sun]

Usually when we get to the second pull the patrolling pack is far so I start fighting the first part of the group and then bring the pat in when they make it over

[sharp gale]

that's what i do, i wait doing the first part if pat is annoying far

[solid sun]

Also I’m like reverse you now, Happy

My alt is a bdk

Did a 10 workshop at 630 ilvl yesterday. Was pretty fun

Health bar having heart palpitations

[mighty valley]

i don't have the constitution for bdk

i have enough going on in my life, i need a health bar that doesn't move

[sharp gale]

yes it is fun, but after 87 dungeons nop

[toxic pewter]

i am cursed

at 2999 rating

every key i enter is cursed

[solid sun]

That’s how I know I suck at prot warrior. My health bar def moves :(

[long bronze]

common denominator

[toxic pewter]

it is me i know

i have cursed myself

[unborn island]

It will get better once you clear 13s imo

Every shitter wanting 12/13 for the mount

[sharp gale]

big ilvl pp

[toxic pewter]

that 1 decked out gnome

[mighty valley]

some of the "your health bar never moves" feeling is dependent on your group kicking and ccing well lol

[solid sun]

Makes sense

[fading tide]

why mountain thane for raids?

[solid sun]

I don’t. I am only colossus

I demolish or I sleep

[mighty valley]

under some circumstances going full execute build sims better on thane

but that's not universal

play what you want tbh

[strong forum]

mine is cooler

[long bronze]

tfw 665 and out of crests

[warm plinth]

Not even 700, scrub

[sonic terrace]

can u stack shield block's time or no?

[long bronze]

yeah

[sonic terrace]

tyty

[slow forge]

Coming from Brew main health bar prot war feels godlike in the durability department.

[sonic terrace]

can someone explain this macro "/cast Ignore Pain
/cast Shield Slam " what is it reseting from?

[long bronze]

devastator

your #1 prio button is always SS

[sonic terrace]

mm

[long bronze]

so that lets you snipe a reset when going to press ip

seeing as IP is off GCD, it can only benefit you

[sonic terrace]

ah kk tyty

can u tell me why its glowing ?

[mighty valley]

probably because it just got reset?

[sonic terrace]

thats what i was thinking now

i see no buffs while its glowing

[mighty valley]

it also glows on Thane when you get the triple shield slam proc

[mighty valley]

yeah, it's just to draw your attention to the fact that it's reset since it's our highest prio rotational button

[sonic terrace]

ah kk ty

[toxic pewter]

am i seeing this right u got shield wall on ur 3 hotkey?

[sonic terrace]

yea?

[toxic pewter]

3 one of my most used keys

[sonic terrace]

i try to keep all 3 specs abilitys in the same spot so i dont fuck up while in another spec

so i gotta mess around with the rest

[rapid lake]

Why are my game updates downloading slow AF. I have a 500mb connection...

[long bronze]

no bind for execute or spell block

[sonic terrace]

idk what else to do lol

[long bronze]

r? c? b? x? ~? v? g?

[split roost]

Control modifiers

[hybrid cloak]

3 is prime real estate, putting shield wall on that is a waste imo. each their own though.

[sonic terrace]

whats that

[mighty valley]

ctrl+key instead of shift+key

i'm not a fan though

[split roost]

Same as with the shift key but just the ctrl

[toxic pewter]

ctrl sucks

[split roost]

If you have big hands it's not too bad

[mighty valley]

but yeah tilde and C are good ones you're not using

[sonic terrace]

wasnt pressing it as much in another area so had to move it to that

[split roost]

If you get a gamer mouse you can use the buttons on there too for more

[sonic terrace]

i might make a keybind for "c" and "b but gotta change bags and character pannel thing

[sonic terrace]

nah only 2 buttons on the side and use that for pings and discord push to talk

[long bronze]

switch bags to shift-b and character to shift-c

[sonic terrace]

ooo smart

[split roost]

X is also a good one

[sonic terrace]

gotta tebag sometimes tho mid fight

[split roost]

lol true

[sonic terrace]

lol

[long bronze]

basically everything left of the y, h, n line are giga binds

[mighty valley]

do you still get auto-crit if you sit down

i hope yes

[mighty valley]

simply switch movement buttons to esdf and then yhn are in play too

[split roost]

In my head you do but I don't know the real answer lol

[long bronze]

this would curse 25 years of playing computer games nty

[mighty valley]

simply make this switch in 2006

[long bronze]

why didn't I think of this

[sonic terrace]

just tried it out and doesnt matter if i have it on x because you auto get out of sitting

[toxic pewter]

just did a +13 workshop.. i say lets do a lust first pull

druid knocks every mob back and bombs go off as i am grouping

LOL

back to queuing for an hour

[mighty valley]

knockbacks, man

[toxic pewter]

was just abotu to interrupt too

[mighty valley]

there's something in the brain that just makes people press that shit

[toxic pewter]

i had done my shockwave

i dont think im gonna do that pull anymore in pugs

[mighty valley]

i was doing first pull of priory last night, couple sharpshooters were awkwardly out of place

"hey can you ring of peace those in"

"i already used it"

"... on what"

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[mighty valley]

"i don't know"

[toxic pewter]

LOL

[dense cradle]

be a dracthyr

knock first

[toxic pewter]

do drachtyrs have the knock up racial or just knockback

just knockback right

[dense cradle]

back yes

[sharp gale]

first pull of raid

[dense cradle]

its 3mins

[toxic pewter]

grats dude

[dense cradle]

its just you’re a fem human

with horns

and can glide everywhere

[toxic pewter]

I actually wouldnt mind being dracthyr seems fun to me

[dense cradle]

also negated like

half of ansurek’s mechanics

but yeah

[sour flicker]

guys, is titan of industry properly represented in sims or reflect damage does not count?

[bold turret]

When do we drop circlet? if at all

[long bronze]

sim it

I dropped mine but I have a crafted and myth track ring

[long bronze]

it is, it just doesn't really do that much, it's better than other shields of same ilvl but not better than a shield that's higher ilvl

[sour flicker]

got it, thanks

[queen lava]

Just got back from a break, primarily played DF and part of s1, on warrior, what all did they change to prot that's making it feel so sluggish compared to before? Is it just rage gen? - It just feels off lol

[smoky anvil]

If you dropped haste items for ilvl (as you should tbf) you may be forced to play slower.

[drifting hull]

Less rage gen, less ss resets. Colossus is used much more instead of MT which is just naturally slower.

[slender bison]

Can't get in 12-13s PUGs at 2.8k with 660 for the life of me. It's always the VDH. Always

[jagged gust]

Only 660 sounds like the issue

[slender bison]

I'm hard locked at 660

But I can tank with no problems 12s

[jagged gust]

Oh yeah, but they don't know that, they just are you with -5 ilvls over another tank

[slender bison]

It's just a void zone. Can't time them, DPS is low

[jagged gust]

Yeah you missed the train

[slender bison]

Big risky pulls, but heal dies to Meka boss or DPS is key master friend with 2mil DPS

Weird area to be in

[jagged gust]

You're now in the league equivalent of silver

[slender bison]

Raider says I'm R4 in realm

But it's kinda weird to get declines like that for 12s

[torn gulch]

that's pugs

[small steeple]

Small realm

[torn gulch]

welcome to pugs

[slender bison]

And if I get invite I have to play like crazy to compensate deaths

[long bronze]

lol I'm 2.8k and like 40th on my realm

[slender bison]

For example skips in Mekagon, random 2.7k DPS pulls with invi pots

I know it happens, but already 6-7 bricked keys

Anyways

Maybe Wednesday will bring an upgrade

Don't understand psychology behind the mass declines. I refuse to craft, ngl

12s is a weird area. Like the S1 8-9s

[dusky canopy]

You’re simply behind the curve at this point if you’re not already like all 13s working on 14s/15s

For pugs that is

[slender bison]

Lmao but I got a job

[long bronze]

nerd

[toxic pewter]

U gotta get your priorities straight man

U wanna get in these dungeons or wat

[slender bison]

The only answer is tank inflation

Easy gear, easy season

[jagged pier]

only gunna get worse

with the parse addon thing

[slender bison]

Back to Valheim I guess

[toxic pewter]

I got the parse addon going

[dusky canopy]

Totally didn’t invite a 3k player to my 14 because I noticed all his heroic logs were blue

I’m toxic I know

[weary saddle]

Hi i'm looking for an addon or weakaura that plays a sound when spell reflect successfully reflects a spell at enemy. Anyone using something like this. pl recommend

[thin bay]

what parse add on

[dusky canopy]

There’s actually a built in sound for spell reflect

When you succeed

[toxic pewter]

Only inviting purple or higher myself going forward

[wide charm]

In 12+ people decline just for comp more commonly I think
So they might literally want a specific type of tank and fact of the matter is people want VDHs more than anything else... so Meh, people will decline just off of that.
I don't think there is a huge warrior tank hate in high-ish keys ATM outside of that.
I was getting declined for 13+ at the start of this week and I'm 3k --- I presume it's more what I described than people just wanting the most meta class

[jagged pier]

theres a reason why the classic players boy cotted the addon

[slender bison]

It's like a whip sound effect ingame

[dusky canopy]

I honestly really wish it didn’t exist

[jagged pier]

yep

[dusky canopy]

The pug scene is already so gate kept

[jagged pier]

and if u opt out

[dusky canopy]

It’s sad really

[jagged pier]

well your logs arent good then

[thin bay]

What is the addon called i want to get it!

[dusky canopy]

It’s through warcraftlogs

Archon or something idk

[wide charm]

I really hate that people actually genuinely look at tank parses to determine if a tank is good
It's some wild thinking

[dusky canopy]

I got it with the warcraftlogs desktop app

[dusky canopy]

Good tanks are usually the ones who try to do a lot of damage

[small steeple]

well now its even easier! thanks new warcraftlogs/archon add

[dusky canopy]

Obviously this isn’t the rule

But it’s common

[small steeple]

no thats quite normal. If a tank can do their damage, they likely have good fundamentals and actually press buttons

[wide charm]

Depends, I got axed from invites even with AOTC on week 2 because I had some blue parses.... but for instance my gally parse is shit because I literally do both duds every single set to avoid ripping off my sub-par co-tank.
Is that parse my fault? Absolutely not.
But it still looks bad.

[slender bison]

Thank, time to bump my key then, even tho it's tiresome to cherry pick the group

[wide charm]

Plus, ultimately, if you are with a group that has to prog on bosses, you are going to use IP more and execute less --- fact of the matter

[dusky canopy]

True and this is exactly why the addon sucks for pugs

[mighty valley]

sadly groupfinder cannot show the raid leader the worth of your soul

all they have to go on is logs and numbers

[small steeple]

and in that case, you have your healing parse then

[slender bison]

Bruh I already have performance review at work, why the hell so they allow this garbage on game?

[wide charm]

Right so judging a tank on tank dps parses is significantly worse than judging a DPS on dps parses

[toxic pewter]

Why should items ever have ilvl ya know? Just make everything the same power

[wide charm]

Yea, they'll generally still be at least purple if not orange --- but people don't look there unforuntately.

People almost always look at tank DPS parse

and it's really dumb IMO

[toxic pewter]

I mean it’s just human nature. You cannot beat it

[dusky canopy]

My 45 mythic Rik log at face value doesn’t show me leap charging around like a tool to help with the barrels because my teams ranged don’t do enough damage in time

Doesn’t mean I can’t sit on the boss and turret a 97-99

[wide charm]

I remember I got hassled over my Mug'zee parse too --- my cotank on that week 1 literally tanked the boss about 5-10% of the fight. I took every single gold knuckle too.

Like --- It's impossible to dps parse like that lmao

[dusky canopy]

And that is exactly why the addon is bad

[toxic pewter]

I embrace and love new addon

[dusky canopy]

(I play dps war)

[small steeple]

i feel like your generalizing too much there, I always look at tanks healing parse when I look at there dps parse

[slender bison]

Remember that its 2025 and Details only shows Pummels and Disrupting Shout interrupts

[wide charm]

That's good! I wish more people were like you. :
I am generalizing, no doubt, but I feel like it's a fair assessment -- in general people look just at the dps parse

[small steeple]

in general people don't even look at parses

[mighty valley]

if you've got five tanks to choose from, they've all got AOTC, how should you make the decision

[marble shadow]

Hi all, I've come to the dilemma of having "Titan of Industry", will it be better to retain this or craft the 675 shield? I'm not sure if it's that significant

[small steeple]

they see kill count

[small steeple]

ilvl always wins with shields

[wide charm]

That's also true! haha
But I am generalizing the people that do look at them xD

[dusky canopy]

Anybody worth while as far as apping to guilds goes will know how to actually dissect a tank log

[marble shadow]

I thought as much, I guess I didn't want to let go the raid shield :P

[wide charm]

yea, if you are apping to a guild and they can't read your logs in a reasonable way, just accept you've dodged a bullet. shrug

[dusky canopy]

But as far as applying to lfg keys or heroic pugs

Yeah rip gg bozo

[marble shadow]

Guess I'll cough up for that 675 shield xD

[slender bison]

How do you even define AOTC?

Streamer neckbeards are struggling in 14s

(Talking about M+)

[mighty valley]

like. has the aotc achievement

[wide charm]

AOTC is practically meaningless at this point.
It's VERY good for helping you find decent pugs week 2 and 3 of any tier

[dusky canopy]

Actively On The Couch

[mighty valley]

yeah i'm just listing all the available info pug raidleaders have to base a decision on

[slender bison]

The problem I raised earlier is that It's week 3 of a sub and I cant progress. And its 5 months left of the season. So yeah, kinda weird state of game. Never been here before

[dusky canopy]

Man my heroic gally pugs are going to be cake when I put “90plus” in the title

[wide charm]

and then that group wipes once and 6 people leave

[dusky canopy]

Ez fill with more “90 plus”

Lmao it’s so bad

Like can it just go away

[slender bison]

"4 pumper spots left"

[native ember]

yo anyone else getting trucked on 3rd boss in motherlode

did a 12 was fucking struggle busing it

[wide charm]

yes, you need to spell reflect AMAP -- use spell block too
She does almost all magic damage

pull with spell reflect also

[slender bison]

Last Meka+12, 2.9k MW comes and dies in the piston. Then gets CR and presses accept when the piston is active again. Like lmao parse that

[native ember]

ok word i was like what the actual fuck

[slender bison]

Means you got stacks from adds, otherwise you can afk. Everybody including you have to kite/cc them

Oh sorry, 3rd boss does fire, yeah, use mitigation

[native ember]

yea i think i was fucking up my mitigation on that one but now i know

[wide charm]

Yes if you are getting trucked on second boss then that add is staying alive for way too long when empowered

should never be an issue

[slender bison]

Spam Spell Reflect in the intermission phases, 20% MDR is nice, even if you dont reflect

[native ember]

yea i dont have any problems with that one was just trying to find out about the 3rd ^^ yea coming out of the intermission id just be getting trucked and im like wth

[wide charm]

When she is doing her propeller gun thingy don't waste big mitigation there --- between the casts sometimes she doesn't even attack you. Sometimes she does.
It's really awkward and obnoxious. Save spell reflect for after (or at the tail end of) her 3rd cast each set

[native ember]

bet ty

[slender bison]

Same issue with Big Momma +12

Giga hits if you dont plan MDR

[solid sun]

My friend group won’t get aotc for probably another 4-6 weeks and by then I’ll probably mostly alone still trying to do keys in pugs while they’ve moved on to some other game

I’m dreading my future

[sharp gale]

The « checking logs » group

[solid sun]

Depressing

[strong forum]

every good group has always checked logs either way

this just skips a step

i been beta testing the addon since s2 launch, but basically the parses havent really mattered when i invited people. i moreso look for mythic raid boss kills when inviting people

cuz same as last tier

anyone who doesnt have AOTC and/or 1-4 myth boss kills is kinda late to the party or someone id rather not invite

[solid sun]

First of all, how dare you

[strong forum]

reality can be cruel

[solid sun]

And second of all, your friends aren’t why this is a net negative

Now instead of getting into groups and failing keys I just won’t get into groups because my parse is blue instead of purple

At least with option A I got to do a little playing first

[solemn current]

Honestly you weren't getting into groups due to blue parses anyways. Noms right good players check logs as it is because they want to do the content quickly.

Checking boss kills first simply saves you the time of checking logs if they haven't even done the content yet.

[strong forum]

the mid to low end of players are also way more toxic than higher end

cuz they are the one perpetuating the "sorry i need lust" type shit

or "only meta class X"

[solid sun]

But now the worse groups will also check logs because before they were too lazy to do it and now that excuse is removed

[strong forum]

dodged a bullet

[solemn current]

And frankly I'm 6/8H but 3.2K and still get declined to heroic clears with good parses simply because there's no 8/8H. Gotta check all the boxes.

[strong forum]

eh

id invite you

cuz last 2 bosses are still jokes

[solid sun]

Adding more boxes to check is not good

[strong forum]

as long as youre 660+ and the 3.2k currently is a better sign

[sharp gale]

yeah i'm not annoyed the remove the extra step, which was .... open warcraftlogs ingame since it shows parses of people tagging

[solemn current]

I'd invite me too, but groups are gonna check one or the other or both. Adding logs to tooltips doesn't change that.

[strong forum]

tbf

if i saw a tank who is 8/8hc and green logging

i would not invite him

but again, i already checked logs without the addon

even for keys

cuz i DONT trust randos

at all

[sharp gale]

8/8hc and blue parses, i take tbh

[solemn current]

Tanks usually pretty bad so it's fair. Probably easiest role to parse on due to most not caring about damage.

[strong forum]

yea

[solemn current]

average players get carried all the time. Good players don't want the baggage to potentially force good players to leave mid run.

[sharp gale]

blue means he didn't die, it is what it requires to kill bosses

in hc

[solid sun]

Now we can’t agree on what color to take!

Lmao this shit is so cringe

[warm plinth]

I've missed this conversation but is there an addon for you to see people's logs now?

[sharp gale]

you already took people based on color (purple X/8 > blue 8/8 > Green 8/8) but now it will be with parses on top

[slender bison]

I only take zodiac compatible people in my group

[solid sun]

I’m just not getting the addon and continuing not to check parses

[sharp gale]

i'm getting the addon to see people parses 100%

[solid sun]

Which might make me in the minority here in this specific discord but I’m fully prepped to have a bad time in the future

[strong forum]

youre worrying too much

[solid sun]

I’ll get in with my sparking personality

[slender bison]

There are better games out there if the game turns into an excel spreadsheet simulator

[warm plinth]

I'd play the

That

LET'S DO A +18 PIVOT TABLE

Caps

[slender bison]

+12 SQL joins no foreign keys

[orchid mural]

Is anyone aware of some content that may explain the first boss of floodgate a bit? I feel like I'm getting owned on that boss, he hurts a lot. I was able to do all the other keys at +13 as colossus, but went thane for the +13 floodgate. Super hard healcheck / mitigation i think. (plus thane i felt help with the big gathers in that key)

The adds need to be tanked correct?

is damage lessened if 1 add dies faster?

Does the boss do increased damage if the adds don't die fast enough?

any tips or tricks?

[strong forum]

the adds need to die, otherwise the boss gains a damage reduction after like a minute or so

they also enable the boss to have his weakened mode

[slender bison]

Have mitigation at Electro hit tank buster. Adds are DPS problem

[strong forum]

when the boss does his massive aoe he takes 100% increased dmg

the tankbuster you just rotate sw/spellblock

[solemn current]

Means he didn't die on that pull, but it also means he struggled to do the damage expected from his class. Best case he lives and holds kill times back. Worst case he makes mistakes. Both can lead to players leaving to better groups.

[strong forum]

and you aoe as hard as yo ucan

the sooner all adds die the more dmg you can do to the boss

[orchid mural]

Electrocrush is tank buster yes?

[strong forum]

ye

[sharp gale]

so basically you don't care, you take him, the boss will die, the dude has just shit dps, just don't fill your group with full blue and the boss die of old age anyway

[orchid mural]

i see I inserted myself into a logs discussion, is anyone here aware / use the WoWOP.io website/addon/program?

[solemn current]

Could just not invite any blue and kill everything faster because plenty of players perform better than average

[sharp gale]

so it is no different than taking myth raiding dudes in hc pugs

[slender bison]

Wow is in content draught for 2 expansions and the add-on density is bigger than ever 😭

[sharp gale]

you just have more info than myth raid prog /with raider.io now, so idc personnally

[solid sun]

If my friend raid group were all blues that would be the dream

[warm plinth]

The few seasons I've done raiding, It's usually like 75% green parsers, some blues, and some purples, and maybe an orange now and then. I'm sure all blues is fine as long as they can do mechanics

[solid sun]

Yeah that’s what I usually find too

And the bosses die

Or maybe some gray parses, too!

[warm plinth]

I repress those, but they are there too XD

[idle copper]

To help the adds die quicker tank him near the wall and get the adds to charge the wall so they can still be cleaved down

[small steeple]

oh thats a good tip, didn't even think of that. Will the adds above the wall accidentaly get pulled ever?

[tribal cliff]

Quick Q, anyone got a working ignore pain tracker? Found the one on the wowhead guide but the colour on the text isn't changing properly and is always red.

[agile elbow]

You can search on wago and good ones generally always popup

[tribal cliff]

Tried 3 variations of the same weak aura now 😄

They both seem to show the text permanently as a red colour

can't figure out how to fix it

[agile elbow]

https://wago.io/MD_v3xG0r

IP and SB all rolled into one.

@tribal cliff

[tribal cliff]

Hmm that WA seems to have the same issue, the colour of the text just stays red

[small steeple]

Sounds like its a problem on your end. Update WA, if that doesn't work, reinstall it

[tribal cliff]

reinstalled weak auras on it's own, re-imported the weak auras, both of them, and still doing it

Even if i change the custom threshold setting so that it should at least be yellow at 90%, still nothing

[small steeple]

Check your addons that add textures, you might be missing one?

[tribal cliff]

Haven't got any addons that do stuff like that i don't think

I think it's just the weak aura, it's only a colour change, no?

[small steeple]

Is it the red or glow?

[tribal cliff]

The red colour, in the img linked, at 57% it should've gone yellow

I'll just have a look at Khakhans prot war set instead 🙂

[strong forum]

can set a condition to change text 1 colour at X stacks

[tribal cliff]

Not sure how to do that, but i think I've found a workaround 🙂 thank you though

[strong forum]

literally what i said is how to do it

xd

https://i.imgur.com/2bCft6k.png

[tribal cliff]

Oh i figured it was just a brief description, as you mentioned stacks and not like, % health

[strong forum]

the buff itself shows stacks

aka %

[tribal cliff]

Ahhhhhh

[strong forum]

so if youre at 50 "stacks" of IP

that means 50% of the possible value that IP can be stacked to is reached

[tribal cliff]

I'll try that

still red 😦

[strong forum]

send me the WA

that shit scuffed af

why would it be red

[tribal cliff]

https://wago.io/MD_v3xG0r

it's this one

[strong forum]

outdated

this shit is from 11.0.2

in 11.1. they reworked how IP is tracked

[tribal cliff]

Ah god damnit

[strong forum]

ill quickly make one for you

[tribal cliff]

Thank you so much 😄

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/uFejh4A.png

i got this for now

do you want the absorb value aswell?

or just %

[tribal cliff]

Just % will be good 🙂

[strong forum]

!WA:2!LrvZUTTrqytRdgGTO1vnXiTihSnqnkSBfCmQDBkqlGOlvIdCKKPOJtbkG0sYvKBn1Um7Uu)4BvNYz13aEPxk6bDOpa(jyHqrFa8JGFc6SK02XP6G4oZ(TZoFZ8TJrJQdQgun4TFzgXNr7Ws5(4hV0cuQmIXBLijmQWCok4xtfsCWlrJx(odcDz(Kw97lWsJ5iQpCI2mcv6DODtxBNf(mwCaBeTZiscU3L3yAheIJ4i)8yFGJqI4stV(ekrezAbFKMtLCsyiMl(OT4Ll)xEQa3ena3BgkLJOWkXN79KNU73S)bCiQTOXt65GhIH7)5yuSmYkfcLxsmAcMNPxBpMiKIOfdqs)iSOteBulAMa(upEeAIyQibhhFuGW0jp8Mxjs9YJyBoUpzStN22hF8To7K2hCoV7H1742TJBDhxl5KeSJo92lla7b77co4p3(42no94zP0sUyM8jA6pe7wy)swa(px6AO0H5uu8RaId1M)4QeolKJfII2Y2pEPLNHOei9HDpq9bnUeJe4osoMgkJwrTHfLrXlcG7xJORoB4cm0xdet1q1zJAhRbicTHAB4aQDuFL6Rv1GVF477byGaj1XchLbC2bhQByBVMAJfGPhY)8qolLg82hMuvIhl7kIqq)91LkIKpl3z(F9zCiR7kkxO2z2T7T5xisw9Do(HSyg)fgggvUQWloUFUQYQ(PUTs(0CNG8KPld(NrcGgDDW86IlImghK783wuOi)5Y05Y891kxs)jQvY4mjWmxWPvZwnTvBWbsPXKLd0ppnQa)MvYaQmz1gCYfRFskkaQkO1DDVhXV5MwK7BeJhCghLm9SYffjWqIG4fJ7T42OMlrADQ7Xh10(YICUBIMWQvUduhYf4nkz0Tf4Il)(00lctcJKNyfZqbdTeW5wZzqASKyELFmsia8bDbHU)wEccnmg)7Qtm9KOyqrVM6K1EKXF)WEwAaGLzsv4vx37FWEo526TZ07wC2OKvbJ6LZgYhv8)CrOrz8CzKM0w6joZ7ZHNAGggkOv8ah9jHMZj0cHcG0u9l94JlzN1fm2adN7AozsM)WINlpY4VEWMKG5hfszC86Tbr(SBfpQvYzYHLJGGhCoq3V31ffVg6CqNsEDo0X2UPZiTc6K9sHWDWREg37zF7WjH2CcvFx4ihuCseQsYdUzKMwg9tebc6Sb9Y0p4i5t3((TCGjn(NFGZquCk2y6qeNOr5PhoGduFCfUFeIgcZY2s9Mx0UYU12)U)QmfMaaQd5eL3wQKgaCf3dgy6FUq9Mn3F3nzjB(J)GsMF4kvmQOsFhKQHaOV79azObLSki2RTxT7K6tVHk9U(CmoPUUrlD0DGOQcV9R9KNwB)Qd)Nx)Fp

[warm plinth]

Be careful btw, Discord likes to put a space at the end of copied text sometimes, and it won't import if it's there.

[tribal cliff]

Ayy it works thank you 😄

[strong forum]

that should be red tho

[warm plinth]

Nome can you make me a custom WA suite, ty

[strong forum]

at 50 yellow

and 80 red

[tribal cliff]

Oh haha 😄

[warm plinth]

Get fucked

[strong forum]

why is yours different

[tribal cliff]

errr

[strong forum]

!WA:2!LrvtUnsru40XlIudccMzIgqZIKirekbSYercmibsUd2ZKrz8pTDMmiHKD1DxU7I0UQAQQA)t2HxnRn3aVHniw4fCaYjOKfIdqoc5eWR6Ut8KbVWD9E137)V6zvTy)IbfdE7xoJ4ZOTyjcF8JxzbkrfXe15kcJkTNJc(1ePch8s0OvxkqORkgxVxpjwznhr9blAWiuL3XvQ1UI7cFgloGnK2AiHJ7E1TIvccXrcKFQVpYvQqcLTxpcLiJSDGpk7jkbjmelKF0oI8J)RirIRH6J7ofLiqu4K8Z9EYt3)Bo8ib41604XDDXdWq8FogfRIUwM4Lk3qG7rg52QrLtpDwc4)kJisLCjGwj9aaZ7CC5wT70QDz32tKCCC8jbsBhJbE8y0ySWnnQ2l6Ju(ryzRi2W60zs4t54HOXsh1yo21KEhmla7bETnOq88kN2O6zNonHMxl28pXu(dWTZKFjla)NRCd06Wckk(vqHd9M)4AUGfkWsz2yz3hVYQtruceD42J0Fq1RWijULsGPHQO10B5qzu8Iai(geDmzJqIH5AGCIbQjB0750hrOv17cgO3t)v6Vwxc((HVVgOcKiLXx4OzqNYfhAgy7UHERfGOhY)IqblHg82hYlQWJuDKriy((6Cgb)ZsvM(xpMaY6oY8d69ME3DB)fs(6VJ5hZIzIxyzzv46mT44EPSkNYN1Uo)ttvc0tMPn4Fojqf5ugeVjlqKr4GuL)2Img5pNNoxLEVH5s6nwV2mbtbvwBqPtT61QO3safLbZSuG(PPrb4308kGQ4RxvqUCZMjOaORG2SD77v43gPfP6gYebNlq8jNNFilbgqKeVyC3f351uks9ZAF6j1QCvwo3HBky9Alb1ICjER8k6UgCwWVFz6fHjHrQMoXmuWahjy3gU9tIve7R9JrsjGpOdWU93XtsOHX4Fx302tHIH3bBOBUXJS(7h21XaaKS5fHxDDUVHDDtLnxpZCBMTr81bHY57gsxv8)urOrZeP0itr7y24mVNaEtbCyOHwWdu0JeApNqZikasB9V0vmkV6CUKX6B5UC4mtX8hK9C5rw)1d2Mem)KqktG3SbqYNEh5rVwALCC(ki4bNlm97EtwZRQjhmPKxRJDRuPM7qddQ5bjG7o6vpt49SVDW4Wkcc1elCKlkMhHkWFWTR0m0OFIirWKnO7mZdos62TVFhxyrH)fh5oafNGTMmajiguEMLd4a9hxq4hHOHWUSD0V5fnkSFPdx(xHjWgaGDOgR92rZRcW1cpyHP)fs9B2(W93MX3(h)bTk14cfSkOtEhK6baOV79azzaXxhi7LoO0sQ(KBlLU3CbgZlBg0kxZeiQO07Wsp5PLoS4G)51)h

[tribal cliff]

that's what i see in conditions

[strong forum]

try again the 2nd one

looks like 1 or 2 things were cut off

[tribal cliff]

white at 60 again

[strong forum]

check display

[copper lava]

when should I be looking to replace my circlet?

[tribal cliff]

yeah looks the same

[strong forum]

do you have a UI addon that overwrites weakaura texts

[strong forum]

when it gets outsimmed

a well statted 665 prolly will

[tribal cliff]

I don't think so

[strong forum]

weird af

[tribal cliff]

Haven't got any other addons installed that interfere with WA

[copper lava]

yep just saw that in the wowhead guide. missed it haha, thanks

[round pendant]

guys

holy priest is fucking terrible this season

[tribal cliff]

Ahh that'll do anyway, at least i can see the percentage 🙂 I know not to push IP above like.. 70 stacks

[strong forum]

no thats whatever

you dont care which state your IP is in

if you need to press IP to not overcap RAGE then you just send IP

the only waste you can create is rage

IP capping doesnt matter

[tribal cliff]

Ah ok, so it's ok to just send it whenever then

So i assume just, make sure it's at least up, and push it regardless of stacks if I'm gonna rage cap

[strong forum]

whenever you are above 60 rage

yea

[tribal cliff]

Ok cool, this entire weak aura was probably not needed then 😄

[strong forum]

what matters is not having 0 rage but also not more than 90

nah its not bad

its good to know if you have a big IP up for X mechanic or not

[tribal cliff]

Yeah true, helps with knowing If i'm gonna get twatted by a big swing or not

[strong forum]

sometimes you just need to mitigate this 1 big hit and then youre chillin afterwards for a while

[tribal cliff]

Alright cool, I'll keep that WA then so I can keep an eye on the percentage at least 🙂

Thank you for the help

[strong forum]

i just noticed my IP WA is gone

[tribal cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksparrow-johnnydepp-pirate-spooky-magic-gif-11075885606474700306

[strong forum]

hm w/e

i guess i put a typo somwhere

reimported my own

works again

https://i.imgur.com/d9NgxKo.png

the red numba

[warm plinth]

Nome silly goose confirmed

[tribal cliff]

https://tenor.com/view/joking-staring-what-seriously-laughing-gif-4832609063133591660

Level'd up twice pissing about trying to get this weak aura working just from killing bandits.

[past torrent]

Tome is broken correct? in a good way that is. It feels bad to not have any secondary stats on it but then I sim and it's like insane the difference in dps.

[mighty valley]

That’s the thing, it does have secondary stats in sword mode

[young kindle]

did a +10 rook .. first time as Demolish specced ... am I do something wrong? feeel overall is same as MT specced. TIA

[torn gulch]

you used revenge way too little

[strong forum]

your revenge should be top dmg

[young kindle]

feel like i am rage starved

[frozen berry]

Revenge > Demolish > shield slam

[strong forum]

too much ignore pain

if youre feeling rage starved

[young kindle]

oic

[strong forum]

this is my breakdown from floodgate from 2 days ago

[young kindle]

oh wow, almost twice the amount of revenge

[valid agate]

Can prot warrior reflect Kujo's tank DoT?

[young kindle]

so I would .. charge, revenge/clap, ss

[strong forum]

no, fuusi

[valid agate]

@strong forum thank you!

[young kindle]

oh shit, i also TC alot too 😦

[strong forum]

ye TC is massive dmg loss

[young kindle]

feelsbad cus threat ...

[torn gulch]

the only reaason to tc is to spread rend

so you don't need to do it a lot

in colossus

[young kindle]

gotcha

[torn gulch]

is the name of the game

[young kindle]

copy that .. i guess i am so used to MT and clapping ... .. back to 10s and practice ...

[strong forum]

revenge does up to 10x the dmg of TC as colossus

revenge dmg is also what keeps you alive

cuz leech and brutal vitality

you also need high amounts of crit for colossus to really get ahead of thane

if you have 0 crit, thane will do more dmg

[young kindle]

currently at 23%

[strong forum]

could be better, could be worse

[cerulean burrow]

hey i was reading that

[young kindle]

i was gonna report that

[strong forum]

reported and banned

[cerulean burrow]

this guy

[bleak breach]

@strong forum do you run TR for all situations in colossus?
Spear was beating it in sims for me

[strong forum]

spear sims better so i play it in workshop, ToP and Raid

in m+ roar is better for threat

[cerulean burrow]

yeahi was gonna say i love roar for immediate snap aggro

[strong forum]

since if TC is on CD and we dont have enough rage to send multiple revenges, getting threat can and will be fucky often times

[cerulean burrow]

not required but it lets you kinda go whole hog early

[strong forum]

since spear wants you to wait for as long as possible for the mobs to be stacked up perfectly

roar has GIGANTIC range so you can send it early when stuff is still surrounding you

[cerulean burrow]

yeah its nutty lets you do some crazy pulls

or rather gbroup the pulls together very fast

[strong forum]

moreso that your greedy ret pally doesnt get clapped by blowing his load

[bleak breach]

Does roar beat spear over large amount of targets?

[cerulean burrow]

EXACTLY

[strong forum]

instead of waiting 2 more globals

[strong forum]

no

[cerulean burrow]

preach

[strong forum]

roar does not do more dmg than spear

BUT

spear has very strict positional requirements as its a much much smaller radius than roar

so in practice roar will do more damage as it lasts very long, has much larger radius, is more frequently available and doesnt need to sent in the perfect CD order

[bleak breach]

Spear into demolish just feels so nice

[strong forum]

for thane spear is more viable to be played everywhere as thane gets to TC very frequently and has frequent uses of TB which does very frontloaded dmg

which makes gathering packs and getting initial threat easier than as colossus

more floodgate nerfs!

[mighty valley]

Is the Forgemaster the right path priory add

[sharp gale]

Floodgate = best dungeon of the season btw

[mighty valley]

Yeah it’s a good one, no major complaints from me

Darkflame also gets an award for seeming like it was going to be a fucking nightmare and ending up being Alright

[small steeple]

right path gang rise up!

[cerulean tusk]

I am just surprised there was no class tuning. Guess this is where they want things to be

[south zealot]

i miss being able to blindly tell people to shield slam more

no matter what

game sucks gg

[timber night]

is anyone else struggling to get snap threat on the aoe demolish opener, it just feels awkward idk. Just came back to the season and saw a lot of people playing it in m+ so i thought I'd give it a try

do I just not play for demolish on the opener and try for shield charge/roar instead?

like shield charge/roar before demolish just to establish threat, assuming all my cds are up

[cyan bronze]

Wdym class balance is perfect rn..

(It unironically is rather good)

oh they fixed it finally

[sonic terrace]

who the fuck is forgemaster damian ?

nvm

was lost as fuck who he was

[tall rampart]

Does anyone have a good list of what we can spell reflect, or good prot warrior techs for m+/raid?

[vital vale]

spell reflect spreadsheet in the faq channel

[sonic terrace]

on stix mythic how much % do the balls do to the boss

[idle copper]

But we still press it for SS resets yep?

[tall rampart]

Oh sweet ill check thanks

[cerulean tusk]

Smells like raid

[tall rampart]

Ahh it was under the dps one! That's why I didn't think we had, should of checked there too

[vital vale]

its in both

[nova rover]

Evening folk

tell me whats the addon that shows available interrupts for keys?

[round cliff]

does anyone here use quazii plater and play blood elf

does it make it obvious if theres things to purge?

cuz as orc warrior idk wtf is purgeable and idk if its just not telling me cuz i dont have one

[neon elk]

I use omnicd and track group interupt CDs , but there is also WA for that

[cyan bronze]

this was for keys previously

raid had Aug in b before it adjusted again

[errant leaf]

Surv is goated tho

[honest pelican]

What % for a run on details should shield block be up for?

[ionic fern]

Doesn't matter. Check blocked hits in logs.

[naive panther]

@timber night if you are waiting for demolish to pop off for threat everyone will already be dead, gotta gather with other abilities

[tribal marten]

Guys whats the best trinkets for Prot? BloodMallet says others and every guide says different ones which is confussing

[honest pelican]

First ten done in prot, twas a lil dicy

[sharp gale]

You know I couldn’t believe the screen (even tho I also think game balance is really good rn / relative to the past ofc) but I checked, gg blizz

[jagged pier]

[proud belfry]

2%

[idle copper]

Tome is getting a lot of love as is Pacemaker

[sharp gale]

My kill, balls are 25% of boss damage

Like kanafor said it’s 2% hp per full ball into the boss

[left meteor]

This looks like crazy TClap overuse/Shield Slam underuse

[sharp gale]

Could have been less, it died on the last balls, so like maybe 1-2 rolled into it

[honest pelican]

So more shield slam over thunderclap, got it. it was a cinderbrew so kept spamming it on the spawns of the droplets

[left meteor]

Seems more systemic than just Droplets

[sharp gale]

Yeah bc droplets 1-2 clap taking prio each time and whatever, it would not affect your overall that much

[round pendant]

What DRs do you guys use for the DoT on 2nd boss in priory?

just shield wall?

it lasts a while so not sure what the best way to handle it is

this isn't for me since I ain't tanking many 10s this season and idk how much it hurts since I've only done priory on an 8 tyr as tank

my friend struggled a bit with 2nd boss last night (pwar)

[neon elk]

I dont even think i do any DR just for that , unless im taking more than 1

[nova rover]

Thanks! I had the original zen tracker and it had stopped working, but today I found the new one. I absolutley needed one especially after a pug Rookery, what is it with folk not interrupting casts >.<

[round pendant]

yeah talking about taking 2-3

shoulda clarified ig

[neon elk]

Yea then SW it, or LS and victory rush+ip spam

[prime sphinx]

Play mechagnome I swear it yells non stop anyway

Or did last patch when we spammed ip more

[frail oar]

hmm, was the spell reflect nerf on Mordretha ? It used to be my first source of dps against her and now it does not appears on Details

[prime sphinx]

Dont think it was ever reflectable? Phys and magic part are blockable tho

[little ermine]

it was reflectable, it has been changed

the fight is ever so slightly more dangerous now than it was during SL

[deft hinge]

the tankbuster is not reflectable anymore, the frontal is now reflectable

[cerulean tusk]

One tick is reflectable? Never knew, will try it out next time

[deft hinge]

it says «deflectable» on Sens’s spreadsheet, but i heard the good ol whipsound last time i tested it on her

[normal iron]

what gear should I craft with gilded crest?

[harsh trellis]

What do you have for a Main Hand and Shield so far?

[normal iron]

champion 8/8 weapon 658 and hero 6/6 shield 665

[harsh trellis]

I personally went with a 675 MH and shield for my first crafts since we havent set foot in mythic.

you could go with bracers or a cloak if you need

[normal iron]

I think MH is the way for now

ill get the others eventually

[harsh trellis]

wait for vault

[normal iron]

oh yeah good idea

ty for advice

[mental scarab]

@normal iron shield is always best yo craft block value is king

[final linden]

is there anything we can pop pre pull in M+ for extra value? most classes have something

[vale escarp]

Most classes?

[final linden]

well ive seen a few and i know the other class i play does!

[vale escarp]

Doesnt it have to be a 8 Min CD to be reseted at the start of m+?

[final linden]

nah lock can do 2/3min cds

[vale escarp]

DH demon is the only thing I know which works tbh

[final linden]

infernal and fel dom i use on lock, all be it fel dom just saves you time to summon pet

[vale escarp]

Even DK AotD doesnt work anymore

[unique summit]

Hello, very sorry if this is a wrong place to put this, forgive me very new here. - just a simple question VERY VERY new to prot warrior - enjoying it !! however - I really struggle to get / if someone pulls something grab aggro back- ive looked at some guides done a little reading but any suggestions would be helpful and feel free to treat me like an idiot like I said, very new to tanking /prot ( I did also check pinned messages so apologies if i missed anything)

[strange lintel]

if someone pulls more stuff for you. thats on them. do your best to grab agro with clap and and revenge if necessary. there is also challenging shout. you can shockwave the extra adds for an extra second.

[unique summit]

Ok thank you! @strange lintel

[warm plinth]

Heroic leap resets the cooldown of taunt as well

[velvet river]

How do you guys group multiple packs? Im very new to tanking m+ in general and I feel the scariest part is during grouping, once Im into the pull I feel pretty safe... If youre going into a pull with little rage, whats usually your first few globals?

[warm plinth]

Charge>avatar will give you enough rage for shield block. Otherwise you just make sure to carry some rage into the next pull (at least enough that charge will give you the amount needed for sb)

If you mess up, you can pop wall to hold you over until you can get some rage going

For multiple packs, establish where you want to end up. Then work your way there efficiently. Packs with multiple casters should be your anchor point unless you can safely los them somewhere. Packs with melee mobs you can heroic throw and clap/revenge as it comes in. If you run Thunderous Roar, that's really good for snap aggroing multiple packs because of its damage/range

[tall cairn]

I'll give you an example of what I do on the first pull of Priory.
I start by charging + TC + SS into the first 4 mobs. This gives me a healthy rage pool to cast shield block. Then I leap + charge + Avatar (this gives u shield wall for a few seconds) into the next pack that is to the right, close to the fountain, and I pull the patrol + center pack with ravager. At this point I'm safe enough to begin a normal rotation. Of course, you wanna weave in some revenges + TC to build up aggro.
This example assumes you have lust btw, this is not a simple pull, at least not for me. It's dangerous and if you forget to use your cds you will die. But I believe it's a good pull to practice. Those sharp shooters hurt like hell, so if u can survive that, youll be good to go for any other pull you come across.
Remember that there's no one solution fits all for mythic plus. Each pull is a new problem, and has many different solutions

[unborn island]

The above pull you can practice yourself on m0, youlld die, but not until after the gather

[velvet river]

Awesome thanks guys, thats super helpful

Appreciate it

[unborn island]

Same with the first one in floodgate

[velvet river]

Know of any prot streamers for keys? I know most of the higher end people seem to be playing vdh/pally but figured theres gotta be some decent ones to watch

[tall cairn]

Look for yoda on youtube. He doesn't main prot, but he's one of the best tanks out there and he has many videos testing tanks where he goes into one of the seasonal dungeons and practices the first pull to see how long he can survive without a healer. There's one for prot warrior from the beggining of this season.

[velvet river]

Is colossus probably the best bet even for someone newer to tanking keys?

[tall cairn]

Mountain Thane is much easier to play, IMO. But Colossus is super fun and rewarding. Up to you

[warm plinth]

Thane is probably the better option if you're new.

You have a much more accessible aoe threat generator with thunder clap/thunder blast

Vs needing rage to revenge as your main aoe

[gentle violet]

Man… I’ve been playing the game so much, woke up with some stinky breath and I asked my wife if it felt like I cast thunderous roar on her when she doesn’t even play. True gamer moment.

[tall cairn]

You're obviously single now, arent ya

[gentle violet]

Time will tell. The DoT is still ticking.

[slender bison]

How do you even survive as a Colossus in Meka 12 sewer?

[gentle violet]

Do you mean the sewer part of workshop?

[slender bison]

Yeah, the heal absorb guys

• dot from the trash machine

Unless the healer is a sweatlord you die

[gentle violet]

Press a defensive during the AoE burnout group should be stunning the corrosive gunk so it doesn’t go off before the AoE

As tank, defensive the puncture hit and be a dwarf to remove bleed lol

[visual walrus]

You don't let the heal absorbs line up with the dot.

Defensive the puncture, or have it cleansed off.
Hold your stuns / stops for the heal absorb cast and desync them. You want Puncture, and the two absorbs to hit staggered.

[gentle violet]

The first gunks shouldn’t not go off until the AoE has finished.

Then your healer has the entire window before the next AoE to heal the absorb.

[velvet river]

Going to try and run mountain thane while learning prot for keys, wowhead says you can run either roar or spear... any preferences?

[neon elk]

Roar is easier to use

Spear is probably bit more dmg but its pain to use , it has rather small aoe , and u lose a lot of dmg when u have big pull and only hit like half of it . Also roar helps with initial agro during grouping ( not that big issue on MT)

[velvet river]

Oh ok cool, thanks... Ill stick with roar for now and see how it goes

[astral pendant]

I started last season fresh as a daisy to tanking and used MT, it’s definitely easier when learning your rotation, cds, etc.
Feeling more confident I switched to Col this season and I got to say, seeing some of those dps numbers is really nice.
Whatever you do, just have fun with it and you’ll naturally look build on what you learn.
Prot warrior is a boat load of fun to play so enjoy!

[velvet river]

Cool, yeah I've liked it so far... Ive mostly healed keys since Shadowlands so its an adjustment but I think once I get a bit more comfortable itll be a good switch... Colossus was fun for some of the m0s, just leveled the warrior yesterday but definitely think an easier/more forgiving playstyle would be good while learning the role in general

[round pendant]

Even after all this time I don't understand how nome gets so much CPM

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[round pendant]

literally

I don't rage starve or cap, I mash shield slam the moment it's available

yet he gets like 20% more CPM than me

he does have way more haste than me tho 🤔

[warm plinth]

Are you making sure to look at only warrior spells? Things like trinkets, cosmetic things, etc also show on casts

[round pendant]

yeah I'm looking at his individual spells

[warm plinth]

Gotcha. Well, he's probably pulling like a madman, so there's the higher uptime he probably has to consider, since logs count downtime as well

Idk if you've ever watched him do a dungeon

Nome is the definition of doesn't stop to consider if it's possible. He just sends it and lets God sort them out

[round cliff]

is game up yet

[round pendant]

I haven't

tbf I baby pull since I play mostly with pugs

slow and steady and all that

[small steeple]

Test

Ok weird, some reason a message I just sent was blocked?

[round pendant]

Prob said some word it didn't like

[small steeple]

Huh weird. Oh I found the word. Huh never knew it meant that, I’ve always used it to mean “someone who just goes full force”

Thanks internet

[small steeple]

Ok let me rephrase my deleted message

I play with pugs too and just go full ham

Lmao iPhone autocorrected pugs to pigs

[round pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-nick-nickelodeon-patrick-gif-17195320

[unborn island]

I'd recommend Topicx on YouTube, plays warrior only and does a lot of commentary videos. I believe he also mostly plays with pugs so the strats he does are generally pug friendly.

For higher keys Sense is great, as is Yoda, but I believe they play with voice comms and a set group, so it's a bit of a different style.

[round pendant]

I feel like not playing Ravager is inting

it's so much rage

[small steeple]

inting?

[round pendant]

basically throwing

[urban portal]

My devils advocate argument is that it’s a lot of burst rage

That you are feeding into ip

[cerulean burrow]

we play with ravager still?

[cerulean tusk]

If you want to

[small steeple]

Honestly Battering ram feels so good, especially on low target count/st

[round pendant]

I mean that's not a bad thing necessarily

I'd still say I spend most of the rage on Revenge

[timber night]

so how are people usually playing for the demolish? Just sending troar and shield charge early for snap then stacking to 10 for demo shout + demolish?

[jagged pier]

send

on

cd

[small steeple]

For very 1st one, like all cds up going into a pull/boss, I get 3 stacks before I send it

otherwise, on cd

[timber night]

alrighty sounds good ty

the aoe opener from the IV guides was just confusing me I guess I was taking it too literally

[tropic tangle]

I tend to send roar / shield charge before demolish

Just to get something established / group the pull. Also PUG DPS tend to be monkeys, and Demolish splash feels much smaller range than roar

[small steeple]

I charge, avatar and shieldblock during the charge, demo shout, TC, revenge, Troar, SS, SC, then Demolish or do another SS/revenge

generally

[sonic terrace]

i DEMAND this mount

[small steeple]

DK raid buff (Path of Frost) is nerfed. Dead class

[spare cave]

is ringing ritual mud a good trinket?

[cerulean burrow]

in my experience its not bad at all but its definitely utilized in specific circumstances like priory for example where you might benefit from the extra defensive but if you dont need a giant absorb then tome and pacemaker all the way

or if you have bombsuit you could use that too which is better

[heavy sparrow]

I drop ravager at 13s

[unborn island]

For BSV?

[mint shadow]

I really like Immovable Object with the Colossus build for M+. Is it worth considering for a Thane Build as well or is Unstoppable Force stronger for the Tclaps?

[urban portal]

Unstoppable force much better for thane

[sterile citrus]

Any thoughts on why my Tome of Light's Devotion sim's lower than most of my other trinkets... does it now sim correctly?

[small steeple]

The reason Unstoppable Force isn't taken with Col isbecause TC hits like a wet noodle for Col.

[small steeple]

are you using custom apl in pin?

[sterile citrus]

No, is there one for the trinket?

[small steeple]

Check the pin

[sterile citrus]

👍

[surreal lodge]

is tome of lights devotion still bis for m+

[long bronze]

@strong forum I take stein right

[nocturne spindle]

hmmge

[long bronze]

[vocal pewter]

Myth track tome is just BIS right?

[long bronze]

yeah

its giga

[urban bane]

I've never thought to ask: is the spell lock on disrupting shout different than the one on pummel?

[vocal pewter]

Huge. Now need to figure out how to use it

[urban bane]

I've never really played it before last week.

[delicate ore]

The +1 luck of the miniature roulette wheel ring affects tier set effect? or i just like for cosmetic / lore

[urban bane]

I think it just makes it so if your character has an alt jump (e.g., night elf flip), it'll proc every time

[undone beacon]

massive

[delicate ore]

sadge hahaha it would be nice that it could affect the tier Luck of the draw effect

like to proc more offten or something

[slender bison]

Do 1h/shields ever drop from M+ vault?

[sterile citrus]

why does my vault never look like this

[undone beacon]

You haven't sacrificed enough lambs or something

My yard is RUINED, but the pacemaker is mine

[urban bane]

yes! 1h can drop as fury or prot. shields can drop as prot.

[sterile citrus]

[warm plinth]

It's 6 seconds instead of 3. Otherwise identical.

[toxic pewter]

wat u guys think... currrently have a champion tier helm and crafted 675 1h weapon.. do i still take the 1h weapon? it has high haste/crit + speed on it

[slender bison]

Myth chest aint bad, no? It will be months until you get Slashrpoof Businessplate from Brew

[urban bane]

Okay so I wasn't crazy

I used it in a ToP on the adds for the last boss and I was like "oh they're still not casting after 3 seconds... am I just high?"

The answer was of course I was high and...

[past torrent]

alt warrior just got Titan, Main warrior is likely getting myth shoulders since he already has myth weap

[round cliff]

oh cheezus

this gonna take too long do i put dawnthread or duskthread on crafted shield

[pallid quiver]

he made the mistake of trying to use raidbots without paying on tuesday right after vault in NA

[pallid quiver]

whichever is cheapest

[round vortex]

Is bloodmallet trolling?

[small steeple]

yes

[pallid quiver]

which will actually be better depends entirely on stat spread of your char

[small steeple]

bloodmallet hasn't updated the profile yet i dont think

[pallid quiver]

It still has it from the time when it didn't have the tank aura decrease iirc

[round vortex]

yeah true. I have both in my vault lol

[tall cairn]

Do we get a full spark this week or just a frag?

[frank crystal]

i get to choose between a myhtic helm or a heroic eye

[toxic pewter]

fragment. we do get a charge in the catalyst tho

[round cliff]

w/e duskthread it is

too lazy to wait for sim

and i only have 4% vers

[unborn island]

Ah man it's dice rolling time

[urban vortex]

What are we thinking y'all? Debating between heroic HoC and mythic tier shoulders... Running signet of the priory right now with pacemaker.

[unborn island]

Last week I got 2 poopy butthole trinkets and some boots

I'd take the shoulders.

[round cliff]

myth piece never replaced

always take myth piece

[unborn island]

You can get HoC from the raid and vault, you're only getting mythic shoulders from mythic raid or vault

[urban vortex]

Aii you guys are right. I raid as fury running signet so that's been upsetting lol. shoulders it is

[glacial lynx]

The trinkets suck right? guess im taking a socket

[toxic pewter]

house of cards very good

[small steeple]

hero track tho

[undone beacon]

big arms weapon go crazy bb

[mortal cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/jay-cutler-bodybuilder-arms-gif-21575171

[kind urchin]

Got a tome in the box.

[sterile citrus]

Anyone know why when I use the custom APL for lights deovtion it makes my DPS really low?

[undone beacon]

cuz tome = bad clearly

[sleek mulch]

myth track terrible wrists for ilvl, or is trash masters secret op? xD

[toxic pewter]

wat trinkets are u currently using

[undone beacon]

ANODIZED DEFLECTORS BIS

[nocturne spindle]

mannn

whyd it have to signet

double on use stinky

at least tome is only kinda on use

[left beacon]

hmm i got the cinderbrew stein in my inventory, wowhead has it as a B tier trinket but looks pretty jacked to me

almost a 6k primary stat 15 sec buff to my allies on top of shield and other effects

should this not be seen as stronger, maybe i'm a dumbass

[urban portal]

Cuz you messed something up

[undone beacon]

Very low proc chance, only is good in group content, and overall medicore compared to any other passive

[sterile citrus]

How do y'all feel about double use trinkets?

[left beacon]

hmm i see, i mostly do m+ so i may end up taking it

[mortal cypress]

i'd rather funnel hot tar into my anus

[left beacon]

feel like it lining up with dps cooldowns would increase its value, obviously there is zero guarentee that will happen but when it does it would be nice

[mortal cypress]

even if they sim better

[sterile citrus]

Yah I think the sim is bait no way I min/max the double use

[round cliff]

can anyone on a52 craft shields or know someone who can? trade chat is being the worst rn

[undone beacon]

I mean Tome is barely an on use

[vocal pewter]

Should I dump bombsuit for tome instead of having double on use? I also have scrap field and mastery energy drink trinkets. Not sure what combo to run

[ruby musk]

Champ house of cards vs myth ring...

[sterile citrus]

neither you take that chest

[ruby musk]

I have a chest

[sterile citrus]

ring it is

[undone beacon]

myth chest?

[ruby musk]

Yeah

[undone beacon]

Sim it, but prob ring

[ruby musk]

Sim was showing HoC because my hero trink is the signet which seems wild

[sterile citrus]

Is there a WA people use to track tome trinket?

[ruby musk]

I'll probably go ring and just wait for a hero or buyable HoC

[sleek mulch]

@undone beacon it is wrist tho right? str > all

[undone beacon]

huh

[narrow jay]

I already have tome on Hero track but surely i take Myth tome as its more rare than myth tier legs?

[undone beacon]

yes

[undone beacon]

You mean in my vault?

[sleek mulch]

no mine, I had Anadized def myth in it. I was told theyre not very good but theyre an ilvl upgrade

[undone beacon]

ohhh in your vault lol you had the anodized

Wrists are a minor slot, and those have no secondaries so they are kinda hot garbage

I'm just an Anodized glazer

[restive oak]

should i open arms? only specifici thing i'd be looking from prot loot spec is tome

but shield and weap are miss

[undone beacon]

Best thing to do is sim it

[arctic pumice]

went from champ to this

[round cliff]

trade chat mfs be like "no tip required" then decline my order when i tip them 17 gold

IM being generous here

[toxic pewter]

what did this hunter mean when he said this

[prime sphinx]

tome barely counts as an on use trinket

[sterile citrus]

yah true im gonna rock them both

[nocturne spindle]

Praise be the sim gods they told me ignore signet and take giga haste ring

[vale escarp]

And thats good since new Patch will drop in like 3 weeks and we finally get Dinars for easy BiS loot

[plain iron]

Do we have any solid info on Dinars other then it's coming with next patch? How many we get, how we get them, what gear we can buy

[nocturne spindle]

Nope

[undone beacon]

On PTR it was 3

[sweet wedge]

Hey fellow prot mains, I just came back to the game and want to play my main prot, I see everyones talent are colossus, I mainly will do 10s keys spam, nothing really to push , in terms of dps output for dung, which one is better Mountain thane or colossus? and so how much % dps is behind thane vs colosusus , since everyone is picking that for m+?

I really dislike demolish, thats all

[pallid quiver]

Colo does notably more damage in AOE, even after the Colo nerfs

I don't have any specific numbers on hand, but the trade off is that Thane is tankier to a non-determinate amount, while Colo pumps more AOE

[vale escarp]

The question, how much crit have you got, with 5% MT will most likely even be stronger for you

[pallid quiver]

Thane should be ahead in any execute heavy fight by this point, as an aside

[pallid quiver]

this also

Colo needs crit to keep functioning due to might stacks and other considerations

[sweet wedge]

I got around 27% crit atm

[vale escarp]

For me it was around 5% less damage tryin MT in Dungeon overall but only tried 2 Dungeons as MT

[sweet wedge]

5% is not that bad i guess, to trade of that awful demolish

[snow salmon]

pace for sure is better than the core

[snow salmon]

you can use demolish to stop knockbacks so thats nice

[sterile citrus]

Is there any reasonable way to sim thane vs collosus in M+? Is dungeon slice reliable enough?

[undone beacon]

honestly thats a toss up

Give er a sim

[sterile citrus]

core is actually that good?

[undone beacon]

Core is absolutely cracked, yes

The ONLY thing holding it back is being locked to hero track

Last week Nome had an aneurysm telling me to take it, over a myth signet and the likes haha

Its been very good

[sterile citrus]

I think it's BiS for fury so I suppose I should try and get it too

[undone beacon]

Def rip some sims but

its not out of the running

[snow salmon]

Sims are saying pace max myth upgraded over max hero core

[undone beacon]

Hey, robit never lies

I'm running hero amp and myth pacemaker for keys so im biased anyways smh

Also off topic but does anyone know how to get into the druid discord, or if its even still up? All the inv links I can find are expired

[vocal pewter]

Out of these 4 what combo would people run for raid/m+

All hero track, tome is myth track

[oak ivy]

Drink + Tome

[strong forum]

depends what you want

for AoE dmg you play drink+scrapfield

for max tank you play scrapfield + bombsuit

for ST dmg you play energydrink + tome

for high keys you play bombsuit + tome (if you want boss dmg)/ scrap for best allrounder/energy drink for aoe dam

[vocal pewter]

Thank you!

[undone beacon]

Monk has been BLESSED with the BEST trinket fr fr ong

I'm gonna be so plated up

[small steeple]

I have a Vet bombsuit on my guardian, and my god it does so much healing

[strong forum]

ong

[calm dirge]

need help on my warrior as I have 3 solid choices and want to make sure im making the best decision

[strong forum]

OH SHIT

pick this ring

[calm dirge]

mythic track shoulders, mythic shield or ring to replace cyrces?

[strong forum]

this ring

is MAX god tier roll

6k haste

is insane

[calm dirge]

kind of what i was thinking

[strong forum]

this ring alone lets you maybe pick a non-haste neck/ring

to get more dmg

[calm dirge]

only problem is last week i took the neck from CB on mythic track lol

[strong forum]

alright

[jagged pier]

Pick ring rerol vulp or night elf jump your day away

[strong forum]

so you can pick a big non-haste ring

like crit/vers

for big damage

[long bronze]

nom, is the mechano core amplifier bug a simc thing or an apl thing, basically is it fixed for prot?

deciding if I trust sim and use my amplifer over pacemaker still

[calm dirge]

currently have a Hero Wicks ring so I could swap that out for anothe ring

[pallid quiver]

I never even knew that ring existed

[shy yoke]

my poor warrior alt is having 0 luck with vaults lol

[true oxide]

At what point would you prioritize crit/vers over haste for more damage?

[pallid quiver]

when robot tells you to

[oak ivy]

When you have too much haste and not enough crit/vers 👍

[pallid quiver]

The balance between stats can vary depending on how much you have of each, so it's really a sim angle

[nocturne spindle]

never so you can zug zug faster

[oak ivy]

For my personal ST sim at the moment haste is surprisingly my worst stat

[urban portal]

could be true

[small steeple]

isn't this ring random what stats and ratio it has? or is that a different one?

[strong forum]

correct

[calm dirge]

i think we had it drop one time in raid and the stats were big doo-doo lol

[oak ivy]

I think ratio is locked but stats are random?

[strong forum]

yes

[strong forum]

also true

crit/vers will likely sim relatively high

[long bronze]

sim doesn't care about shieldblock uptime

[strong forum]

well that

[long bronze]

you may sim yourself into the danger zone

[small steeple]

well SB uptime makes SS hit more so it does

[strong forum]

and the fact that 4pc (on sim) can get you to 98% uptime

even without enduring defenses

which OFC is not realistic

because sims are an average across 10k+ fight simulations

[long bronze]

personally I wouldn't drop below ~17k haste no matter what sim tells you

[strong forum]

ye 16/17k is my personal breakpoint aswell

because you cant sim quality of life

or consistency

[oak ivy]

Im at like 20k iirc

[small steeple]

@strong forum so I replaced the Circlet last week with a 665 Ring of Perpetual Conflict, and it did sim higher but looking at my gear was that the correct descion?
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/Badkad

[long bronze]

like sim is begging me to recraft ring to crit/vers but I'd go to like 14k haste which is badnewsbears

[small steeple]

(ignore the trinkets wron one on, I have Hero Tome)

[strong forum]

17k haste is fine ye

i also replaced circlet

and im at 16k haste

[pallid quiver]

I haven't seen a ring in my life since week 1

So I'm only at 14k since my neck doesn't have any haste, either

[strong forum]

you can also replace your boots with haste boots

from motherlode

[pallid quiver]

I'll get back to you once I've got a key for motherlode

[toxic pewter]

so uhhh I just did a floodgate and died to the final 2 mobs we were going to time it also.. I am embarrased as I have never died to those mobs before.. I did not even stand in circled either.. what do those mobs do that killed me??

[pallid quiver]

I've hit it like twice this season

[strong forum]

they spam magic tankbusters

[oak ivy]

im rocking champ track rings from DFC / First boss TOP

[pallid quiver]

They're a really good spot to use spellblock to add on to this

[small steeple]

gonna have to farm that then

[pallid quiver]

since spellblock does jack shit against the boss

[toxic pewter]

yeah I used everything too

really embrassing run

ngl

actually crazy

[small steeple]

Spellblock works on them, and spell reflect on it too I think, I always try to go into that with 2 SW charges, SB, SR, and LS all off cd

[toxic pewter]

i was low for a long time it seems

yeah I had done a big pull right before that one

so I gues I went into final pull with not great defensive economy

i played it very poorly

welp

[slender bison]

It's not Dragonflight anymore. Healer has to use CDs too for magic damage. He has CDs back since Swampface

[toxic pewter]

healer was struggling entire key tbh

resto druid always felt behind to me