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[dusk sphinx]

Hey guys

Can you run drop sims for prot warrior?
If yes, should it be DC or use MDT?

[solid sun]

2nd to last pack before king mechagon in workshop: is mind soothe enough to just walk by them?

[small steeple]

Yes, mind soothe hung the right wall

with invis you can cut into the left wall

[solid sun]

hug the right wall?

Okie dokie

[small steeple]

with mind soothe, going left brings you too close

[toxic pewter]

is this true

Ive never even considered going right around them lol

[small steeple]

Its how i've done it with mind soothe

With shroud you can go left

[toxic pewter]

interesting

[small steeple]

Its pretty tight though, so basically run/walk into wall to stay touching

[thin acorn]

do i play 2/2p if i have it ?

[sharp gale]

If is a thing I need to pay full attention as bdk or I die but I use 0 cd as prot in hm

[solid sun]

I can't remember what that one dude was saying about meadery

Are we doing a single muscle with chewie?

Or is muscle + chewie banned

[sharp gale]

Banned

[solid sun]

double muscle is also banned, right

[sharp gale]

You can take the full room with chewie

But 0 muscle

I do double muscle on the first bl pack idk if I would do in high keys

[unborn island]

I've seen sense do it I think, but he is rather good at WoW

Personally I just don't bother in anything 12+, because I am a pug only noob so would probably die 🙂

[sharp gale]

I mean there is a reason you bl the first pack

So double muscle is kinda logic but I’m still in 11-12s territory so no high keys yet, idk how it turns out with real damage

[honest pelican]

Fuck just under 2M

[floral bronze]

hmm im not sure if the mugzee fist weapon is good

in a quick +10 it did 2.5% of my overall damage, roughly 72M at 665 ilvl

not sure if its worth to lose 1k stats from mainhand for that

[narrow jay]

Its not a 675 crafted simmed +18,000 over the mugzee fist in single target and tons more in aoe.

I was hyped when I pulled it from my box and then was like fuck when I simmed

[floral bronze]

dont have a 675 yet, just the choice between mugzee 665 and a crit/haste 665 sword

for me they sim roughly equal for aoe but its slightly better on ST

[narrow jay]

Mugzee is better at equal item level it simmed +8,000 over my 665 hero wep

[floral bronze]

yeah im using it over my 665 sword, just waiting for a myth track wep or craft in 2 weeks to replace it

[narrow jay]

I think we take mugzee wep and gally shield with our two tokens in the .5 patch as we will be able to make them myth track eventually.

[floral bronze]

i think itll be gally shield an jastor maybe?

[narrow jay]

Hmm maybe forgot about that ring

[floral bronze]

is jastor that good for us? it has tons of mastery

[solid sun]

Can confirm mind soothe and just walking around them to the right, hugging the wall, absolutely works. And is quite funny

[sharp gale]

With the dinars it is either bomb suit- jastor - house of cards maybe (for me)

[sleek prawn]

Hi, guys, do we use combo all possible time demo shout + thun roar + demolish + shiled slam? or spam abilities on cd with 4pc (shield slam) demolish on 10 and roar separetly ?

[dusk sphinx]

If i'm still playing Mountain Thane even with the recent changes going into season 2, do we still ignore revenge unless it's free or?

[jagged pier]

nope u got to press it for SS resets

even as thane

[dusk sphinx]

but we SS on 1 and 2 targets no and swap to revenge at 3+? specially if i got Tome trinket?

[sullen gust]

Shield Slam on CD is usually the way just for the rage alone. The higher you go the more you'll need that extra ignore pain

[warm plinth]

The choice is always IP or Revenge, as those are your spenders

[dusk sphinx]

yeah, i felt the issue when i did 6's last night and today, though i'm still learning and being 635 atm, though it did feel like having 60-80% IP bar filled and go into Revenge unless capping made me a lot more tankier and extending SB with SS resets etc.

[mighty valley]

ss > tc > revenge on any number of targets

[dusk sphinx]

i think it's just the old mindset of ignoring Revenge which still ghosts me

[mighty valley]

you just want to press something for every gcd, if revenge is all you have then you still want to press it even on thane

[dusk sphinx]

i might give Colossus a shot at some point, looks fun on paper but i might just swap when i get the rotation into my fingers again

oh i forgot to ask, regarding Demolish, do we want to send it on CD or wait for the 10 stacks?

[mighty valley]

Send it at, idk, 3-5 stacks at the start of the pull, but from then on you should naturally get to 10 stacks before it's off cooldown

[dusk sphinx]

aaah that make a lot of sense, when i tested it i just send it on CD unless i pulled big then i waited for 10 stacks

[mighty valley]

I usually just throw it out with however many stacks I've naturally ended up with while gathering and throwing out initial CDs, but yeah, if you're pressing SS and rev like normal, you'll get to 10 stacks real easily for every subsequent cast

[tall cairn]

Remember that guides, rotations and priority lists are suggestions. They are not suppossed to be strict guidelines of how to play.
For example, the "opener" may be something like Charge > Ravager > Avatar > Demolish blah blah blah, but in reality, your current pull may not allow for that. You might want to start with Charge > TC > SS > Revenge and move on to a different set of mobs until you've gathered enough to actually start using your cds. At that point, however many stacks of Demolish you have is irrelevant.

If you want to optimize damage, then try to pair with Avatar + Demo Shout, but if u cant do that, and it's off cd then use it anyway.
Pro tip: Remember that shield wall gives you avatar, so you can use that before demolish if avatar is on CD when demolish comes back up

[dusk sphinx]

yeah that make sense, i've been trying to adapt to given pull situations and definetly paying attention to if avatar is on CD or not etc. though i love having multiple charges of SW, though on big pulls it does sometimes feel like i get trucked with damage even though it's running, SB and IP is up but it could just be how it is with direct damage and magic damage, specially in cinderbrew

[warped elm]

is Colossus actually that much more damage in M+? I just ran a dungeon as Thane and didn't seem to be much lower dps, but overall the run seemed better.

[mighty valley]

the gap isn’t what it was pre-nerf but colossus is still a chunk ahead

thane definitely has an easier time gathering pulls, simpler to play

[tall cairn]

Shield Wall is not suppossed to be reactive, you want to use it BEFORE damage happens, and not after. Focus on movement, interrupts, positioning (never show your back to your enemies. If you do, there's no blocking) + Effective uses of Reflect and Spell Block.
As far as I'm concerned, warrior is one of the hardest tanks to play. Actually performing on this class requires a lot of dungeon knowledge, game sense and very high APM. Do smaller pulls until you get used to rotating all your cds

One final tip, avoid spear and ravager if u fell like there are too many buttons to press. Mayb use battle scarred vet + some cd reduction node on the class tree until you've familiarized yourself with the core rotation and utility toolkit

[fading tide]

Am I suppose to use revenge to gain threat when I pull a new mob?

[tall cairn]

When going into a pack TC + Revenge is the way to go for aoe threat. You can also use stuff like Challenging shout if u cant make it time with those gcds. If it's just a single mob, SS will do the job (u can also taunt if its out of range, or use throw)

[toxic pewter]

damage = threat so do whatever you can to do as much damage to mobs

that can include revenging a lot yes

[fading tide]

Is there a rule on when to use IP and when to use revenge?

[tall cairn]

Either way, you always want to use TC + Revenge at least once to spread your bleeds

[tall cairn]

The suggested guides cover all of this, but as a rule of thumb you always want to have Shield Block + Ignore Pain up at all times. This comes before anything else.

[mighty valley]

eh, not exactly, obsessing over IP uptime can kill your rage gen

press IP whenever you have spare rage without ever missing a GCD button press

[fading tide]

I last played s1 of DF and I remember you could keep shield block up at all times but now I see there’s a window when you don’t have it on ya

[mighty valley]

Shield block should be possible to keep up always, just gotta adjust talents to match your current haste and tier set

[tall cairn]

Not sure if its as simple as that. This might mean they forget to use IP and just spam revenge, which is not ideal, and will also kill rage.

[mighty valley]

Pressing a button every GCD, prioritizing SS, is how you maximize rage gen

[strong forum]

nothing changed since DF s1

you just need a good amount of haste or play heavy repercussions

[jade basalt]

Are most of you guys running mountain thane or colossus? I’m still too in love with mountain thane to switch.

[cerulean tusk]

Most are prob Col, cause we enjoy the big boomboom of Demolish. Nothing wrong with going Thane tho, as long as you enjoy it

[jade basalt]

I may have to try it

How much does our rotation actually change in colossus?

[final hound]

I got a tome trinket to drop yesterday and I read the pin on it - just to clarify for my understanding:

1 - if I'm in shield mode with low stacks I should use the active asap, ideally for big pulls

2 - if I'm in shield mode with high stacks I should just let it roll over into sword mode and save the active (???)

3 - if I'm in sword mode then I just chill

[jade basalt]

Mostly yes Daniel

[strong forum]

ye

[jade basalt]

That’s pretty accurate

[final hound]

ok thanks guys

[small steeple]

unless you're on a super magic damage boss fight and want the extra magic absorb

[final hound]

that's a problem for my healer 😎

[slender bison]

2.8K and starting to get "DH only" groups for tanks. Kinda sad. Anyway, back to healing

[autumn topaz]

annodized deflectors any good or are secondary stats better

[gentle gate]

are there any tanks that feel like prot to play? Looking for an alt and none of them feel as smooth/fun as prot, maybe because I've been a long term warrior main but idk

[karmic plinth]

i find guardian with raze feels similarish

raze = revenge, mangle = shield slam, thrash = thunder clap

[gentle gate]

Got it ty

[fading tide]

Do I only use Demo at 10 stacks?

[mighty valley]

You don’t need to wait for 10 stacks for your first cast once you’ve gathered everything, but after that you should naturally be at 10 stacks by the time it’s off cd

[idle copper]

Ive lost track of where ive asked it (so dont know if anyone replied) - Does anyone have Nomes weka aura for when to execute please?

[fading tide]

How many times do u guys spam revenge when at 10 demo stacks since revenge does 50% more dmg?

[idle copper]

You still send demolish on CD

[karmic plinth]

i only hold demolish if packs abt to die

[lusty grotto]

you just prioritize revenge over TC

less emphasis in using IP to dump rage

everything else stays the same

[lusty grotto]

secondary stats better

[fading tide]

so in mythic plus moutain thane is tankier and colossus is mroe dmg?

[strong forum]

i dont think thane is noticably tankier

cuz you dont get to play immovable object

and you leech less because of the lesser dmg output

but you get a lot more IP casts and are naturally tankier vs magic dmg

[bleak breach]

I agree Nom

[onyx vessel]

kill the pack faster = better

[bleak breach]

I haven’t had any issues with colossus at all that I would avoid with thane.
People only get in trouble in colossus spamming all their rage into ip when they’ve still got active ip

[lilac widget]

hey guys could someone help me with a single target colossus build?

would it just be the same as the cleave one?

[frozen berry]

Wowhead has the different builds

Lot of people dropping Indom for battering ram/Ravager tho

[lusty grotto]

yeah just use the two in wowhead

punish for prog, execute for parsing

[lilac widget]

thankyou very much 🙂

didnt know to use punish for prog that helps alot

how much lower than mountain thane is it?

[lusty grotto]

lower in what?

dps? its higher

[winged pawn]

anyoen got a video of how to do LOS on the first trash mobs in DFC

[unborn island]

Think sense has one on his youtube

'sense prot warrior'

[winged pawn]

ty will take a look

[tiny yew]

hey, how much Haste do I need as a Prot Warrior?
I heard Ishould use Haste Flask until I reach a certain soft-cap, but can't find any info on what that cap is

[lusty grotto]

we dont stop

softcaps are ignored

but also we're not really using haste flasks

[tiny yew]

so, just use Chaos?

[lusty grotto]

yea

basically people use haste flasks to get to a comfortable level with shield block CD so they can use ITF without suffering on SB uptime due to lack of haste

but otherwise, chaos better because its more stats

regardless of what they end up being

time to go back to regular nick

[tiny yew]

fair, I have 19,8k Haste right now.. without any flasks or food

[lusty grotto]

should be fine

i have 17k and i use ITF comfortably

[snow estuary]

how are people dealing with mugzee knuckles?

[modern night]

is this thing any good at all? i only ever tank 10's for funzies w/friends.

[lusty grotto]

no its garbo

[modern night]

figured 😦

[south wing]

im pretty sure I know the answer but the tank bracers from Workshop are ass right?

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[lusty grotto]

also dont tank 10s with a veteran shield

get a better shield

ilvl on shield >>> all

due to block

[warm plinth]

You're not my dad

[lusty grotto]

[lilac widget]

does anyone play human female?

wtf is up with your elbows clipping through every fcking shield as you run

[warm plinth]

Probably a side effect of the fact that female human used to have bigger weapons than others

[modern night]

im 99.5% of the time arms/fury lol

[lusty grotto]

thats fine

means you can freely upgrade a hero shield at a bare min

because you more than likely have a maxed 2h

and the discount applies to both shield and 1h

[odd axle]

hey guys I just started tanking about 3 dungeons ago does anyone have any advice and or weakaura I can use for tanking?

[cyan bronze]

bonus armor is not a thing ive read in a while

maybe ever

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

it was garbage last season

its even more garbage now due to ilvls

[cyan bronze]

yeah

not saying it’s good

just like

have never seen that written on an item

[lusty grotto]

we have

but they have always been garbage

[warm plinth]

Don't think bonus armor was ever worth caring about unless you were a druid, and even that was way back in the day

[lusty grotto]

pretty much

[cyan bronze]

ya i thought bonus armor was a relegated classic era thing

[small steeple]

twould like a word

[warm plinth]

It's come up since then here and there but was definitely at its peak then

[cyan bronze]

that is just armor tho

[warm plinth]

They are talking about the actual bonus armor stat, not effects that give armor

[cyan bronze]

where multihit item in modern wow

[warm plinth]

I'm really glad i missed that era lol

[small steeple]

oh thats cursed i see what you mean

[warm plinth]

I miss reforging though

giff back

[cyan bronze]

is bonus armor functionally different from armor

or no

[warm plinth]

Now? No

I guess functionally it was never different, but it was on different items in different periods

[cyan bronze]

it used to increase attack power according to wowpedia

[warm plinth]

I think that was due to a tank thing though, not specifically a bonus armor = attack power thing

[cyan bronze]

hmm

[warm plinth]

Oh I see, it was a WoD thing

[orchid walrus]

Is Heavy Repercussions every really the play this season or is it just Into the Fray?

[lusty grotto]

none of our builds in wowhead have HR

where are you getting this?

[orchid walrus]

Noplace, I was just wondering

[lusty grotto]

HR is always the play when you have low haste

otherwise no

[orchid walrus]

cool, thanks

[oak ivy]

I wonder what kind of goofy mit you could get out of a full Crit/Mast build just off of parry and crit block

[strong forum]

I'm trying to think how it would play out

Obv it would play like dragging a deflated tire through rusty nails

I can't come to any conclusion though

Like, we already dont lose any HP

It's not unplayable, cuz talents can carry block uptime. I guess it would feel very meat-shieldy. As in, you don't move them but they also don't move you

[cerulean tusk]

My personal experience going full crit/mast in S1, it was solid. You did take less dam and felt more in control from whites overall. Especially noticable on the 1st pull in SV.

It feels a lot more fun and does more DPS to go haste/crit.

That said, Crit/Mast is probably viable going into s2 as well in the same way it worked in s1.

[strong forum]

Ofc magic dmg, dots and unblockable dmg will absolutely ruin you cuz you don't generate any rage or have enough CDs because of lack of AM

[strong forum]

Any type of stat combination is viable cause of our talent tree

[vocal pewter]

Are we looking for ~17k haste unbuffed to run ITF? I see people running it with less and I’m at 15k

[cerulean tusk]

You can go with any k number, as long as you manage to keep SB up consistently when it matters

You could give it a spin in a key, get a feel of your situation and how it works out

[strong forum]

You're gonna have the best result of block uptime if you have minimum 16k haste with ITF, more is recommended

If you have less than that, you will experience downtimes of shield block

Even with 4pc you can run into that territory

In raid however this does not matter

In raid you always run ITF

In m+, if you have considerably less haste than 16k, I advise you to run HR until you can get more haste

[vocal pewter]

Thanks! So 16k is more of the target.

[strong forum]

minimum

I did a key today with 16k haste instead of 19k+

And I had a few milliseconds of downtime here and there

Not a fan

[vocal pewter]

Yeah that window is full panic

[strong forum]

Not panic since keys do 0 dmg to pwar

But more like "ahah, there it is" situation

I also simply can't panic in wow anymore when I play warrior

Or well, not serious panic, more like fun panic to scream into my groups ears and annoy them

[vocal pewter]

Lmao that is fair.

[slow forge]

Is it possible to never have any gaps in shield block while running keys. I feel like I refresh it with about one second left on current SB but sometimes I don’t have any. Probably something I’m doing wrong.

[warm plinth]

What's your haste? Are you running Heavy Repercussions or Into the Fray?

[slow forge]

Haste still low but it’s a fresh 80 toon. Maybe that’s the issue. What haste am I shooting for.

[round cliff]

16-17k minimum for itf

use hr until then

[slow forge]

Ty ty

[strong forum]

Haste is your biggest friend

[round cliff]

can we get a bot command that explains sb uptime and haste to ppl

[strong forum]

(aside from big ilvl)

[round cliff]

like a /itf

[slow forge]

That’d be awesome.

[cerulean tusk]

Could just use an AI bot to do it, but you pay for it

[sharp gale]

We are the bots

[round cliff]

i need to hire some bots to boost my vdh

[sharp gale]

Thane > Col now ?

[round cliff]

i want to go from lvl 61 to 80 to do the mythic quest

but im SO LAZY i just wait until tw i think

[strong forum]

Is that a question or...

[sharp gale]

Pay 60 € to boost to 70 it saves you 9 lvl !!!

[round cliff]

tempting

tbh

[strong forum]

Bruh

I leveled from 53 to 71 in like 3 dungeons during tw

Fuck you mean that's tempting

[sharp gale]

It is retorical or whatever bc lots of people ask since the nerfs

Sarcasm ?

[round cliff]

tw isnt up rn!

[strong forum]

Unlucky

[slow forge]

Just run normal dungeons.

Pull three full rooms plus bosses.

5 min runs.

[round cliff]

i HATE normal dungeons

i refuse to step foot into them out of principle

[strong forum]

They are the best way to level tho

Aside from tw

[round cliff]

a good silverpine -> hillsbrad -> frostfire -> gorgrond route clears every time

if ur prepared for it

unreasonably efficient route

i just already did it to get up to the cap when it was 70

[slow forge]

Normal dungeons can be hilarious. I pulled the entire first room plus boss in cinderbrew and It was chaos but the run was quick.

[round cliff]

normal dungeon parse

[warm plinth]

Questing can be faster than dungeons if you're efficient (especially if you're NOT a tank). I've always preferred questing to dungeon leveling because I can do different routes each time and break up the monotony.

Timewalking is just straight up faster than questing now though, assuming they're still doing the xp buff at the same time

[round cliff]

soooo it depends

timewalking is faster, if ur a tank getting instant queues, and before lvl 70

theres a good argument to be made that threads of fate leveling from 70-80 is faster

if u follow the route

[warm plinth]

Even after, it's faster. You just quest in between dungeons.

[round cliff]

im just lazy

[warm plinth]

Obviously it's not faster if you're sitting ther doing nothing between queue pop

there*

A lot of people would do that anyway though because they really really hate questing XD

[round cliff]

i loooove the cata->wod leveling route

ive done it so much i know it like the back of my hand

no love for the 70-80 questing route tho

[small steeple]

ive always leveld as tank and just dungeon spammed, atleast up until the current expansion

then i only dungeon spam during time walking

[frosty mango]

Why are people still shocked about tank dps, are there really that many tanks out there doing like 1 mil overalls or something?

[round cliff]

tank can realistically out-dps shitters now

and theres a LOT of shitters who dont think theyre shitters who dont think a tank should be able to outdps them

[frosty mango]

Yeah but I’m doing 12s-13s

[round cliff]

12-13s are the natural home of shitters who think theyre better than they are

[frosty mango]

I’ve come across my fair share of bads but at that level I’d expect 2.2-2.4m overall is not impressive for a tank

Of any class

[warm plinth]

Better than horde BFA leveling route though

[round cliff]

bfa didnt have threads of fate yet

any non-threads current content leveling is ass

[warm plinth]

Are you referring to threads or adventure because they're not the same

[round cliff]

tf is adventure

[warm plinth]

the pick your own path thing

where you can switch up the order of the zones

[round cliff]

thats threads innit

[warm plinth]

Threads was the do random side quests or world quests to level shit in SL

But it was kind of the precursor to adventure

[round cliff]

same thing ish

[warm plinth]

I wish we could level in Undermine; I really enjoyed the campaign there

[thin marten]

engineering bracers doesn't count for an embelish slot right

I want pure crit bracers

[cerulean tusk]

Ye, they ain't an embellished item

[prisma dust]

hey prot bros whats the consensus on ringing ritual mud?

i know it says reduce the CD by 2s, but thats per dot tick right?

and does anyone know waht the ICD is?

[cyan bronze]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=431715/threads-of-fate

[warm plinth]

[cyan bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-sus-sponge-sus-spongebob-sus-suspicious-gif-16291095943088527850

[round cliff]

thats an evoker spell!

bfa still didnt have it!

btfo

[cyan bronze]

wrong

it’s not a spell

btfo

[round cliff]

TALENT

[cyan bronze]

wrong

hero talent

btfo

[warm plinth]

what is btfo

[cyan bronze]

not telling you

[round cliff]

here u go

[cyan bronze]

blown the fuck out

[cyan bronze]

been using this a lot

u know me

Yale divinity school program for new students

[bronze crypt]

Hey, I may be a shitter, and think I'm better than I am but, wait, what was the third thing you said?

[round cliff]

same

[feral zealot]

Titan of industry 665 vs Random shield 678?

[ruby musk]

Random myth shield

[small steeple]

shit tanks do legit no damage, especially shit fotm chasers

[toxic pewter]

I swear I keep getting turned down for vdh's..

feelsbadman

everywhere i look i see purple shield

[bleak breach]

Tank damage don’t matter tho

God I hate that

[small steeple]

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE\

[bleak breach]

Tank damage don’t matter, but then they whinge when they have one doing equal to dps.

[earnest pond]

I keep hearing DH's bitch about melee syncing, is that something wars have to worry about or they just coping?

[tropic tangle]

melee swings are generally what warrs are strong against

[sharp gale]

I started pushing this week Im still doing more than 1 or even 2 dps in 11s, they are WTF ur damage and I answer « nah it’s you wtf your dmg »

Workshop* 11

[round cliff]

dh is strongest when the pull is established

everything meleeing u at once when u have less mitigation up is kinda spooky

not anything to actually be scared of tho, tank damage isn't a thing in keys rn

[earnest pond]

so it is real and wars dont worry bout it, got it

[round cliff]

warrs dont worry about it because warr never takes damage at any point in the pull

[bleak breach]

Yeah that’s a rip. Did you time?

[warm plinth]

is that internal response? lol

[sharp gale]

Nop they were under 1 mil on last boss, healer couldn’t heal the pulse from magnet, I left

[bleak breach]

Sad

Figured with their dps it would’ve been tough to time.

[sharp gale]

He had really hard time to heal the 2 spider mobs, I knew it would be a hard one

[icy flax]

this is dps from an 11?

[slow hatch]

Should I use bombsuit or house of cards?

[sharp gale]

Tbh I don’t think their dps was the main issue, we had still 7 min left arriving on the 2 last pack

Healer just couldn’t heal mobs dying so slow for him (regular length /not 20 sec packs)or at all idk

[icy flax]

that dps is disgustng regardless

[sharp gale]

Yes it is disgusting but you can time 11s with that

It’s not the first key with me over all 3 dps after the nerf

[lusty grotto]

bombsuit if you need a defensive trinket, otherwise house

pretty simple decision

[slow hatch]

Ok thanks!

😁😁

[dense cradle]

Does boomkin have something that causes them to asspull half the instance

[lusty grotto]

starfall

but it has to be body pulled before

[peak iron]

i swear that there are still bugged interactions where starfall can pull something by itself but i have no proof of it

[lusty grotto]

likely

considering phoenix is turbo bugged in places like ToP for fire mages

[dense cradle]

because idk why but

anytime theres a fucking boomy or hunter in the group

any pack that is in the room

will get pulled

[lusty grotto]

hunters have nothign bugged

theyre just bad

[dense cradle]

I mean

bm hunters are....not exactly the brightest

anyone that plays bm without signing up to be a mechanics bot in raid i assume is a bit

ahem

[lusty grotto]

limited

c:

[dense cradle]

its like ret paladins

[lusty grotto]

depends

ret paladins past r.io hell are decent

[dense cradle]

i assume any ret that plays

male human or male belf

is a key terrorist

[lusty grotto]

anyone in r.io hell though, has a 50/50 of blowing wake of ashes on the first mob that they see

[dense cradle]

im like

doing the 4 weekly dungeons quest on alts

[lusty grotto]

absolutely doing negative dps afterwards

[dense cradle]

some of these....creatures

in low content

[lusty grotto]

yeah thats not surprising

[peak iron]

i like the little creatures in +2s and 3s they are adorable

[dense cradle]

i like when i end the dungeon with 3x the kicks of the next person

and top damage as the tank

[peak iron]

ya its fun to be a super hero

do we have thoughts on dwarf vs dark iron dwarf for prot these days? my group wants to go ally

[dense cradle]

probably regular dwarf

[lusty grotto]

both are good

im reg dwarf

[dense cradle]

retail is cross realm though

[lusty grotto]

regular dwarf is slightly better tbh

[peak iron]

ya ik but ive been horde for a decade now and like the dwarf racials

[dense cradle]

i think dark iron looks better

aesthetically though

[lusty grotto]

tahts fine

you want it for the bleed dispels, which both racials do

so either is fine

[peak iron]

yeah i think dark iron looks cool as shit thats my dilemma

word

[dense cradle]

both do the same

except dark iron has a dps boost

attached to theirs

[peak iron]

right and the passive physical damage reduction vs the 10% active one

[dense cradle]

who has passive phys red

[peak iron]

dark iron take 1% less physical damage passive

[oak ivy]

Idk what tf happened but in the last 3 weeks I have just turned into a terrorist about interrupts, will sometimes go a whole dungeon without actually kicking a spell

i used to be so good about it idk what changed

[dense cradle]

its quite something when i watch the dps warrior

not even reflect

or kick

[dense cradle]

Ngl i forgot about this

in the grand scheme of things its likely not noticeable

[proud cosmos]

Curious, how you folks feels after almost a week post nerf?

[peak iron]

seems like the tradeoff is dwarf for slightly more damage overall and a little less overall tankiness but with the 10% built into stoneskin for slightly better active mitigation

but yeah agreed its super minimal im just splitting hairs

[toxic pewter]

Regular dwarf ftw

[dense cradle]

regular dwarf has better flat damage at all times yes

dark iron looks better though

[peak iron]

i was already running MT so didnt notice the nerf personally, still feel very strong in all aspects

[dense cradle]

You still hit like a truck idk

[toxic pewter]

Na regular dwarves also look better in my opinion. Not tied down by the always on fire look

[dense cradle]

Me when i blow my cds with switching tome to sword mode and getting crit on funhouse mirror:

[proud cosmos]

Same and when i try colosus, i feel more tanky and doing more dps as thane. But top warrior still use colossus

[dense cradle]

colo is more dam

[peak iron]

im just a boomer who liked MT last season so i kept playing it even tho colo is/was better

[lusty grotto]

all regulars here use colossus, myself included

[jagged gust]

H A S T E

[dense cradle]

seeing yourself crap thunder is fun though

[peak iron]

might mess around with colossus a lil bit down the line i just like the MT playstyle

[proud cosmos]

Maybe a do something wrong with colo. I compared same dungeon at same lvl and i m higher dps at overall with thane.

[dense cradle]

not pressing revenge enough?

[lusty grotto]

youre 100% doing something wrong

[proud cosmos]

Maybe

[dense cradle]

The tank i cant wrap my head around

is bdk tbh

or rather why sanlayn is supposed to do more

[lusty grotto]

not really

we're tied, just RNG favors them

on average we're tied

[dense cradle]

no i mean

sanlayn is supposed to do more than deathbringer

for bdk

[lusty grotto]

oh

[sharp gale]

Hunters have a right click issue yes

[peak iron]

lotta hunters have petattack bound into all their shit too so one brief misclick can be enough even if they correct themselves quickly

[sharp gale]

Or just they right click and it autos

[lusty grotto]

that fucking thing has existed since forever

[dense cradle]

"i'll just do priory on my alts for a quick tome"

suddenly

[lusty grotto]

like 3-4 expansions

[dense cradle]

the entire church is pulled

[sharp gale]

For bdk, sanlayn does WAY more bc blood beast (blood is life hero talent), you don’t see bdk if packs die too fast, because it is rng proc so usual 45-1min packs the rng is not that rng anymore

[dense cradle]

there's something inherently funny about watching a boomy buttpull and the pack is running towards him

and he tries to get them near me for aoe

the one time bothers to move

[dense cradle]

yeah isnt it feast or famine

[lusty grotto]

sometimes its not the boomy

[dense cradle]

iirc blood beast is like do damage and it eventually just explodes on everything

[lusty grotto]

it can be anyone

[young kindle]

Should Revenge be some of the top damage in M+?

[lusty grotto]

as long as the mob gets in combat with the group, starfall hits it

[dense cradle]

oh no it was a double melee comp

[lusty grotto]

yes revenge should be top damage

[dense cradle]

and the pack off to the right was running after him

[lusty grotto]

are you doubting melee can butt pull?

[dense cradle]

well its more that the melee

were on top of me

and the pack was

out there

[dense cradle]

no because i've done it

[sharp gale]

No in details it’s Blood is Life, if you don’t see top damage, you are either in low target number dungeons or unlucky dk bc key is too low

[dense cradle]

wel i know what the proc is called

saw it in s1 when was wondering where tf the bdk did so much

[sharp gale]

If you are lucky (first segment of Cinderbrew)

[dense cradle]

might be because i have shit haste

too

[sharp gale]

I have like 18 or 19 k and the robot god is asking me to not haste gems smh

[dense cradle]

yeah in low content i guess i can see how

instant scythe damage is just....more

[sharp gale]

Basically your blood beast will never appear bc pack is dead, it will never increase explosion damage (by attacking) bc pack dies, it will explode on nothing bc pack didn’t last 10 sec after it appeared

You will get mad when you see this dumb fucker running next to you ready to explode on the way of next room, but once, it will align with THE pack and you are 20m dps

[icy flax]

is 4pc fun? it sounds fun

[slate sable]

what kind of embellishments?

[sharp gale]

which one would you replace by bombsuit ? i want to try it a key or two

[neon elk]

Woudlnt call it fun, doesnt realy change anything about how we play, but its way better than s1 one

[cerulean tusk]

The time of Prot Warrior is over... The time of the BDK has begun!

[sharp gale]

i would never push keys as bdk, it is such a pain tbh

i did priory and forgot to change talents

[violet ginkgo]

but I assume you still succeed despite not changing talents

[sharp gale]

but dmg L

[sharp olive]

Is it true if you keep the cart above 90% it doesn't stop in dark cleft

[violet ginkgo]

well clear is a clear

Ah the freakin' DFC. So what are the verdict on this dungeon? annoying as hell?

[sharp olive]

I kind of like

[dense cradle]

What are you playing dor more dam

[next yacht]

Was a good weekend for me!

[sharp gale]

GG

[sharp gale]

and ofc no rumbling earth in m+ loser

[dense cradle]

wait is show more dam

well aoe it probs is

[violet ginkgo]

yeah I mean because happy going M+ it will do more damage than sudden death

[sharp gale]

revenge second source

[dense cradle]

sometimes its first for me

[sharp gale]

as it should

[dense cradle]

can you not sr in priory anymore

the consecrate

[cerulean tusk]

Was removed during the beta cycle

[dense cradle]

it worked during hc week

[cerulean tusk]

[dense cradle]

before season 1 start

[cerulean tusk]

All I remember was being sad when it was removed, same as with the rest of the more broken ones

At least we can SR priory last boss still

[dense cradle]

fun was detected

[cerulean tusk]

I am partly glad, doing those reflects in keys as DPS is not always fun

[cerulean tusk]

This dam breakdown makes me happy 😊

[sharp gale]

5 big booms to all those fury and arms warriors who verified if those spell reflects worked and confirmed it doesn’t

[maiden ravine]

tank specs in delves feel like cheating, got immortal spelunker on my 598 prot warrior.

[ionic nimbus]

Ohh lord, nice to see! Great! But hard to see when you are struggling with 12s. Those pugs are driving me crazy. Atm it looks like I am a magnet for “special” players..

[lofty glen]

i play tank and arms. got myth shield and 1h + crafted 2h. what is the best loot spec to choose on reset?

[ionic nimbus]

Would take arms

You dont want m+ Tank trinkets, and dont need a shield or a 1wep

[lofty glen]

kk

[ionic nimbus]

Go for arms wep or floodgate trinket

Except you want to go for tome trinket, then you Need prot

[lofty glen]

kinda sad that m+ trinkeds are shit for warry

[lofty glen]

but is tome that good?

[jagged pier]

for raid

but cards and pace are probably better in general for m+

[ionic nimbus]

For Raid it’s insane

If you tank in raid it’s viable to pick. If u raid as arms, go for arms vault

[thin cave]

Can anyone help me understand what I have done wrong here? It seems that my dps shouldnt be lower when using custom apl 😕

[neon elk]

80-85% tome uptime is fine ? Or should i aim higher somehow

[ionic nimbus]

Seems Like some mispicked talents. Compare your build to guide builds like wowhead from Nome

Your missing 10% revenge dmg for example, because u picked sudden death

[ionic fern]

CBA deep diving on phone,but since the Tome trigger is higher than regular trinkets,maybe it's pushing the other on-use trinkets +30s onwards.

[wicked pollen]

they killed my execute build btw

[ionic fern]

He is simming the same build in both sims.

[ionic nimbus]

Nvm Phone and watching builds is weird

[ionic fern]

Je,phone analyzing sucks.

[thin cave]

would make sense, but have equipped viscera and mechano-core amplifier

so shouldnt reduce the throughput of my current build

[ionic fern]

You can always sim normal gear compare with the APL+ Tome so we can see more indepth what's going on if it's of interest to you

[thin cave]

ah yeah, good call

[thin cave]

I found the error - standard apl puts on battle stance pre pull

custom apl does not

[lofty glen]

well. noone takes me in raid.... even never killed gali on normal cause all is breaking down before and no hc group takes a dps or tank withut 8/8. so raid is no opportunity for me sadly

[thin cave]

adding the line:
actions.precombat+=/battle_stance,toggle=on

[ionic fern]

@strong forum can fix this once he's online.

[thin cave]

fixed the sims for me

[ionic fern]

Great catch.

[thin cave]

thanks for the inputs!

[lofty glen]

do we dropp ravager for bsv in higher keys`?

[jagged pier]

no

[tall rampart]

which embellesment do you guys recommend for a shield? (first craft)

[jagged pier]

indom

[thin cave]

dawnthread @tall rampart

[lofty glen]

fr?

[jagged pier]

well indoms does a whole lot of nothing

[lofty glen]

okay thx

[jagged pier]

but u should have dropped that already for BR

[tall rampart]

ah cool wasnt 100% sure if still good or not 🙂

[jagged pier]

so i guess rav then

[jade basalt]

I just tried colossus for the first time today and it’s super fun

Thane feels more fluid for sure but colossus has some nice fat damage

[thin cave]

it is just a nice flex that is useful for both raid and m+

[keen holly]

What would I drop in the class tree if I wanted to take Intimidating Shout for M+?

[jagged pier]

intervene

[tall rampart]

Nice! Had horrible luck with weapon/shield drops so figured I would use my first 60 gilded on a shield

Then I guess a weapon

[deft hinge]

is bis list made with crit embelishment or vers or maybe none?

[ionic nimbus]

Forget the bis list

First go for ilvl, then start stacking haste crit

Then sim

Only 1 different item is changing the whole bislist

Siming is the Tool you should use

[deft hinge]

u can tell Nomeratur to forget the bis list, i just asked if it was simmed with any kind of embelishment in mind when created

[surreal thunder]

would replacing ravager with battering ram when you have 4 set be a good call?

[jagged pier]

u drop indom

[surreal thunder]

noted, thank you!

[south wing]

between kultiran, draenei and worgen is there any stand out for racial usefulness? I'm not too concerned but mostly curious

[jagged pier]

nope

[south wing]

yeah that's what i figured. for M+ the only race that really would matter is dwarf I assume?

[jagged pier]

kinda

but doesnt really matter

[south wing]

👍

[surreal thunder]

the dps between thane and colossus is minimal right, 4set doesnt make it so you WANT to be thane correct?

[jagged pier]

its not minimal

but its not going to contribute to sucess

if u like thane play thane

[queen hemlock]

hey dfc 2nd boss blazikon

there is the tornado wind thing that comes out from boss, can you spell reflect it all if they stack up?

so 3 melee players are behind me tornado comes out can i sr all 3 or only 1 of them

[neon elk]

Afaik u dont reflect anything there, so they dodging you ( or u them idealy) is same outcomenas reflecting

[pallid quiver]

Any spells that connect in the same immediate instant will all be reflected/deflected

Generally, that probably won't happen in realistic circumstances with ground effects

[pallid quiver]

It's a deflect, yeah, so also just not standing there gives the same effect

[neon elk]

No seems like too much hussle for no effect to me

[pallid quiver]

i just keep standing in the same spot and press SR so i don't even have to move

[onyx vessel]

man prot warrior is dumb overall on ST nerf

[sand condor]

Dwarf goated race due to bleed dispell

[onyx vessel]

healers problem

[round cliff]

orc goated race due to being cool

[onyx vessel]

[sand condor]

Everyone knows yhe goated race is mekagnome

[onyx vessel]

plays race cuz its good no
plays race cuz its cool

[gentle gate]

I use the mechagnome potion from AH on every class tbh

[steep condor]

Me like da troll race mon (da one with da broken back - not da one dat discovered chiropractors). However, I'm very tempted to go Panda!

When vulpera were first made available I race changed to one. I immediately regretted my decision and asked Blizzard for a refund. My reason provided was that the ears poked through my plate helm and that this was spoiling my immersion. They agreed as I've never asked them for anything before 🙂

[cursive python]

I wish they would discover boots too

[idle copper]

Any tips for the corridor after the first pull in DFC.

Do you just pull both sides - as someone in the pugs gonna aggro it anyways? Or just try and keep it tight and hope pugs can keep their AoE tight?

[valid spade]

Just stick to the side or just tell them big pull and stand on the throwing pricks

[young gyro]

I've been enjoying Dracthyr warrior the canceling knockbacks is quite fun.

[round cliff]

got a shiny champion chestpiece for my vdh

we in there

[ionic nimbus]

Pull back to the column via LoS and skip unnecessary shit with mindsoothe or Ring of Peace. Alternative run through and LoS everything at the corner at the end of the corridor to stack the pull

[solid sun]

So apparently the parse addon is live. We thinking it’s gonna have a noticeable impact on group finder?

[jagged pier]

yes

[ionic nimbus]

Most Raids already separate via Logs

Now it’s just easier

[jagged gust]

raider.io already let you check through group finder, but this is a nice QOL

[solid sun]

I think that’s cap tbh. None of the people I know who start heroic pugs spend time checking logs. They just kick people who play poorly instead

[tacit hornet]

Could use some guidance on Lockenstock, can't figure out a good pattern for tank swaps. Any suggestions?

[solid sun]

Tbh I just taunt whenever the other tank gets targeted by the party pack

Unless you’re talking mythic then I have no experience, sorry

[valid spade]

I assumed it was taunt on party pack so we do that

[solid sun]

I think most tanks have mobility options that allow them to move adequately

[tacit hornet]

Tried that a few times, other tank exploded (poor bear)

[solid sun]

Is the bear using defensives?

[tacit hornet]

Yeah

Will try it again though

Makes the most sense.

[valid spade]

You need an actual defensive for it or you can die

I fucked it up a couple times

[jagged gust]

heroic tricks you in to being lazy with defensives because half of the tank busters are made with featherdusters

then you get party packed for 80% of your HP

[oak ivy]

The what?

Im out of the loop somebody splain

[jagged gust]

addon that links your parses to your toon similar to rio

[oak ivy]

oh sick

[jagged gust]

yeah, nice qol imo

makes forming raid pugs a lot less work

[oak ivy]

speaking of random pain in this raid about the tank busters

Rik???

[jagged gust]

rik fuks

[oak ivy]

Eventually I ended up sacrificing the 30% amp to shield slam just to fullsend rage into IP

[jagged gust]

it hurts, but it shouldn't be to the level it's affecting your rotation

unless you're taunt swapping too late

[oak ivy]

we're doin it at like 5-6

on mythic hits for like fuckin 8milly by the end

[jagged gust]

yeah idk if it's multiplicative or smthn but the jump from 5-6 stacks feels enormous

[oak ivy]

I'd much rather do it more often but we'd likely taunt DR the guy

[round cliff]

can alts go to undermine before lvl 80?

[dense ingot]

I was not able to get my alts there before 80.

Or at least, the one alt I tried it on last weekendish.

[round cliff]

damn

i wanna level alts w/ loremaster

[lavish vector]

Provided I get a decent mh and shield + trinkets can I reliably play prot decently in mythic plus even if I’m mostly using the same gear as I use on fury

[jagged pier]

u dont need to care about trinkets

[lavish vector]

I want to tank more to adapt for my group but I worry my gear beign for fury will not be adequate

[jagged pier]

dps trinkets are fine

u only need a shield and a 1 hander

stats dont matter

[lavish vector]

So I can basically just jump into it provided I have the mh and shield?

[jagged pier]

yes

[lavish vector]

That’s good to know tbh, in my head I was a bit off put about the idea of having to gear two specs

We don’t usually have a full pre made so I never tried to just jump into it bc if I’m ass I don’t wanna ruin the experience for the random guys joining

[rancid tiger]

At some point naturally u will ofc habe 2 sets

[round cliff]

yoooo

[rancid tiger]

Gz

Dno where its from

Bit gz

[lavish vector]

Makes sense I just wanted to make sure I wasn’t trolling by tanking in my fury set to start off

Fury gear not set, ik the set changes dependent on spec

[rancid tiger]

Hehe ofc , but ye haste is king on prot so slowly u will prob try to get more haste

But in gen ilvl > is king

[unborn island]

Why, do all pug DPS eat crayons

Like...legit don't even know what LoS is

Or understand any mechanics

[round cliff]

los is a tank problem

mechanics is a healer problem

[unborn island]

Yes

It seems they think that

Legit just did a 12DFC where I was 2nd dps

Top was a rogue who was very good

But the other two were sub 2m overall

[solid sun]

Wow is harder than you think it is

[jagged girder]

I got yday a uhdk on a rook +14 with a single amz use blaming healer, so relatable

[unborn island]

Yeah, I mean...I get some people are just bad at wow, but how do these people have nearly 2900score?

[solid sun]

Because it’s easy to be carried as you climb without even realizing you’re being carried

[unborn island]

I guess I'm partly to blame because me and the rogue just carried some to another 30( score

30+ score

But mang

[solid sun]

What’s probably more infuriating to me are pug fire mages and balance Druids

They all always want mdi pulls that we have no business pulling in our little ramshackle pug group and get super toxic when it doesn’t happen

[karmic stream]

uh guys, help pls?

[hardy snow]

675 is more than 655 (or 665 assuming max upgrade)

[jagged girder]

Also workshop wrists are crap afaik

[karmic stream]

hmm yeah i was thinking that too, also id lose lot of haste and vers ,but active seems rly good

[karmic stream]

oh its crap? ok then lmao ill trash it :D

[hardy snow]

its not that good

definetely not better than ilvl

[jagged girder]

I think it was jakey who told me so, but I could be wrong. It was a yellow for sure

[round cliff]

are u supposed to have one tank take every ball on stix or do u alternate them

i see in vdh discord they assign a dedicated baller

but idk why you'd need that

[jagged pier]

depend if its mythic

u need a grip tank for the adds

so if u have one they dont do orbs

if u dont just alternate

[round cliff]

ic

this makes sense!

[karmic stream]

dont u need to swap since on hc there is a strong tank buster, its hard to have cds for it all the time. i mean easier if u swap tanks

[round cliff]

the buster isnt the ball

legally distinct abilities

[smoky anvil]

“There was a time I didn’t know you once.”

“THAT WAS IN THE THIRD GRADE!”

[vocal flame]

LOL

[toxic pewter]

anyone know by chance if legion assaults are locked to loot spec.. like do I need to be in prot spec to get shield, etc

[waxen frigate]

I am perma ball as VDH and our paladin swaps to bdk for it

[solid sun]

You can have any brew you want.

That ones Vince’s so enjoy it

[oak ivy]

I am perma boss as pwar and our brew is ballboy

[gentle gate]

For mythic raiding id assume tanks are expected to keep up all tank specs right? I have 4 at 660 ilvl rn but idk if I should spend time gearing up Brew and BDK

For when I start applying later in the season

[jagged pier]

depends what lvl your guild is at

[gentle gate]

Not in mythic raiding rn but id imagine I should only realistically apply to "mid core mythic" guilds that don't get CE every single time

[jagged pier]

then play what u want

[gentle gate]

Got it ty

[jagged girder]

Nah, for mid core that's not expected. They don't expect to even play 2 different classes

[jovial cradle]

i've got a question - i was tanking a bunch of m6-7's this weekend and i use Quazii's Plater profile to know casters and priority casts for interrupts. i was using Pummel, Storm Bolt, and Shockwave as interrupts but it seemed like sometimes even though i would use Storm Bolt or Shockwave that I wouldn't interrupt casts that i thought i should be. am i missing something about these abilities that they have limitations or is this all in my mind?

[jagged pier]

the mobs are DR to stuns and immune after 3

so like in pugging ppl just send stuns

so they get DR'd very fast

[cerulean tusk]

Col shockwave should knock em up tho, no?

[unborn island]

I believe it does if you take the talent

[solid sun]

Why did I receive a notification

[tawdry dirge]

@cerulean tusk

[unborn island]

Because I responded to another question, but had you on 'reply' from earlier - I deleted that post to try and stop you getting pinged, my bad

[lyric fern]

Stormbolt and shockwave are not interrupts, they are crowd control abilities.
Using these abilities to stop a normal spellcast, in most cases, will cause the mob to start recasting. Pummel is the only spell that will cause a lockout
If you want to stop a cast with stormbolt or shockwave, those are most useful when the mob is channeling a spell (like the beam guys in floodgate)

[jovial cradle]

great info, thank you

[cerulean tusk]

Cause we like you

[lyric fern]

Be careful also when using shockwave on a large group of mobs that cast spells -- after the CC ends, the mobs casting will sync with each other. This can cause issues in pugs where there's too many things to kick all at once.

However, if you play disrupting shout, you can use this to your advantage to kick everything. However, it's entirely unnecessary to be playing disrupting shout, especially in the key levels you're talking about

[cerulean tusk]

Disruption shout is BiS in workshop, allows you to mega pull and handle the interrupt of the bombs

[sharp gale]

They stop recasts only for canalised spells and some hard casts

[cerulean tusk]

Go back to your BDK class traitor

[sharp gale]

Like first trashs of Motherlode if you stun the ice block cast it doesn’t recast

[solid sun]

I like yall too

[sharp gale]

Im bdk since 1 week before the season, it is just for raid and will be put in closet after stix

[cerulean tusk]

Btw,Happy, you noticed deathstrike sang amp not starting as early, or am I crazy

I swear it ramped earlier on the HP%

[sharp gale]

Sang as the 1.5 min cd ?

I don’t know every spell in English for bdk

[cerulean tusk]

Nah weap ench

[sharp gale]

Oh I don’t play it in m+

[cerulean tusk]

[sharp gale]

I take the 15% strength proc

And I play sang enchanted in raid

But my bdk is in 10-11s jail for eternity

[cerulean tusk]

Meh, can't go back to not critting 5 million death strikes

[jagged pier]

my bdk is in previous expansion lvl for eternity

[cerulean tusk]

Ya should bring it back, pwarr and bdk are best tanks

[jagged pier]

i dont enjoy bdk

and im not bringing another tank to play with these shit ass tier sets

[sharp gale]

Yeah tier set on bdk is worst than pwar

Fun wise

[cerulean tusk]

Nah, you get to cleave 5 million hits

Big fun

[jagged pier]

and we get bug fucking all

[sharp gale]

So in your brain you want to spam death strike (which can die bc you do and not enough rp)

[cerulean tusk]

Never been an issue to me

[unborn island]

It's also quite good in the candle rooms in DFC

[sharp gale]

I modified my WA to change color of rp bar when I’m over 70-80 rp (so I can save 1 death strike when I’m going crazy)

[cerulean tusk]

[unborn island]

Yeah, that works well there...but doesn't group them nicely 🙂

[cerulean tusk]

They do one cast and run at me?

[unborn island]

And the first room with all the firey-bois

[sharp gale]

healer /p LoS : I never los this pack

[cerulean tusk]

Ah, you talking about candle elenentals, not kobolds

[unborn island]

Kobolds, I normally just get them spam casting after a reflect

But yeah, it's also good for the candle elementals

[cerulean tusk]

Really? They do 1 and gather in my xp

[unborn island]

Completely not needed either way, just nice QoL, but....10% revenge damage is nicesr

[sharp gale]

Kobolds do one cast and move yep I can testified for that

[cerulean tusk]

Revenge is dead, embrace the utility

[cerulean tusk]

Phew, thought I was going crazy

[unborn island]

I am absolutely sure they didn't last night, but I was very tired.

This morning I tried disrupting, so they obviously did

[sharp gale]

So I take every first bolts / they move / they are in mass stops range (maybe 1 or 2 need a real kick)

[round pendant]

wait why am I tracking show of force

I don't think I've ever looked at that proc and been like

yeah finna press tclap now

[toxic pewter]

just had the biggest group meltdown of my two decade wow career just occur

I wish I was recording.. f

[solid sun]

Give us the details

[full plover]

https://tenor.com/lGsh59hT04l.gif

[keen obsidian]

Hi, quick question, I have hero Reverb Radio, Sigil of Algari Concodance, and Ringing Ritual Mud. Looks like they are close according to guides, but which 2 would you all recommend using? (Mostly M+)

[dense cradle]

does ritual mud even give damage

[keen obsidian]

A little:

[dense cradle]

sounds not worth

[mighty valley]

I'd just sim them, assuming the first two win, and then if you desperately feel like you need an absorb shield you can swap the worst one for mud

[full plover]

400k over ten seconds holy...

[dense cradle]

non tome enjoyers

[keen obsidian]

I'll sim to check the difference in damage, shield is nice but damage is more important, thanks!

[dense cradle]

should have gone dps loot for pacemaker

[fading tide]

You guys keep your loot spec at prot or arms?

[keen obsidian]

LOL its 7.6% increase on 5 target PW

[mighty valley]

prot's pretty ok this season since a lot of trinkets are on the tank loot table

but if you already have a myth shield, trinkets, and 1h weapon then I guess arms has a slightly smaller loot table

haven't honestly checked

[dense cradle]

yesterday i saw a prot pally do his first cinderbrew pull die 2secs in

and leave group

man didnt even pull chewie smh

[pallid quiver]

the embarassment

[solid sun]

What key level

[cyan bronze]

didn’t even bubble

[dense cradle]

only 10

[dense cradle]

reminds me of

wait wrong one

[cyan bronze]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/1289315888293744642/rlp.gif

[dense cradle]

oh it did gif

[dense cradle]

i swear its always a prot pally or vdh

in these clips

[long bronze]

dh leaping into pack and get meleed in the ass, classic

[sharp gale]

Or me as bdk

[toxic pewter]

vdh a lot more tanky now surely no more gifs will be made

[sharp gale]

I admit I got one shoted sec 1 this season

[agile elbow]

Yeah prot paladin with no consecration and vdh jumping in the middle and getting back hitx99

[chilly brook]

@waxen frigate can you take a look at my brew logs? I kinda don’t trust some of the people who say shit in the monk discord

[agile elbow]

I want to like VDH but I absolutely hate the play style. Bring back Legion VDH.

[chilly brook]

Last time I asked for this some dude started talking about how it took my 20 seconds from the start of the key to do my first blackout kick when the first 20 seconds of the key was literally running around gathering mobs for a big first pull

[solid sun]

Just kick dude

Tank?

Just one kick???

[kind urchin]

They're still paper until they get things rolling.

[sharp gale]

They still die if they jump literally in the middle of the pack, it’s like when pwar charge the dude in the back ofc you instantly die

[fading tide]

how do i tank the first boss of TOP?

[waxen frigate]

Yea dm me

[frosty mango]

This kills me when I’m healing

“Idk what happened”
No ignore pain
No shield block
Gets hit in the back
No shield wall

Just zug revenge, you’ll be ok

[nocturne spindle]

what do you mean exactly?

[waxen frigate]

To be fair

Melidrussa week 1 tyrannical in season 4 absolutely ass blasted

[nocturne spindle]

you just kick the caster and pull them out of puddles

[waxen frigate]

For no reason

[agile elbow]

Interrupt, move out of puddles, etc. Avoid frontal. Hope your party de-enrages the regular elite if you skipped the first pack and pulled it with the bosses.

[waxen frigate]

Even if you don’t get a soothe it’s pretty manageable

Just make sure to pop a cooldown for decapitator’s tankbuster

[agile elbow]

Yeah.

[waxen frigate]

I can’t remember the name but it’s a mortal strike

[cyan bronze]

no

[cyan bronze]

vdh was known to be squishy in s4 of df, yes

but yea

vdh ramps

[neon elk]

anybody got any decent floodgate route ? something i can do with pugs , like its just press W im more interested in specific pulls

[ruby musk]

I use this one. https://keystone.guru/exWPt4m

[small steeple]

https://threechest.io?id=5w0r5mb7ei2

This is what I use

[toxic pewter]

RRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[long bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/big-oof-size-small-medium-switch-gif-17355313

[agile elbow]

You live there forever

[floral bronze]

like how do you guys deal with aggro? in pugs the adhd dps cant wait 0.5seconds until i used thunderclap+revenge to gather mobs and then sometimes they get oneshot by aggro

[long bronze]

if they die, they die

[floral bronze]

obvsly aoe taunt every 2min or use avatar+shout+roar but when theyre on cd i struggle sometimes

[sharp gale]

Idc they die if they can’t wait, I mass taunt / roar but if they trolled I juste watch them die

[solid sun]

how many 13's is this? all 8?

[long bronze]

I long ago used my last fuck for dps insta popping when I go into a pull, especially a spread pull

[toxic pewter]

3 13s rest 12s

[sharp gale]

It is worst if I die trying to get aggro of 1 dudes than the dude dying

[floral bronze]

like espeically in bigger pulls where you need to gather some packs, i need to use shield wall as another gcd in my opener and preferably use IP so i dont have rage for revenge and then i truggle with aggro

[long bronze]

make sure you're taking big clap

[floral bronze]

yeah i thought about it as well

[smoky anvil]

Spriest friend will start going as I gather. I tune out the crying if dies as I gather.

[sharp gale]

You need shield block, when you charge the first pack, I shield slam SB clap before fully doing the big pull

[long bronze]

spriest are always insta launching their stupid fucking shadow crash before my charge even gets there

[small steeple]

I had a dps attack 1st boss of ToP after doing skip, while I was still positioning the big bull add. He just insta fell over, then another dps did too,

[floral bronze]

yeah shield block i always use during charge, i survive np but the dps just SMORC instantly and then i sometimes lose aggro

[smoky anvil]

They can wait or they can die. The choice is theirs.

[floral bronze]

was just in a weekly +10 priory where a wl died 5x to aggro and then told me im tanking wrong. very suspicious that he was the only one

[sharp gale]

You kinda notice if it is a them prob, just let them die, it it worst you dying turning yourself to take aggro or smth than 1 dh dps

[floral bronze]

yeah

[small steeple]

wl?

[floral bronze]

warlock

[smoky anvil]

I shield slam bro then leap charge the boss mobs. I’ve had too many idiot dps blow all their CDs on him when I’m pulling him into boss and then whine about not being able to aoe appropriately

You have to move fast so you don’t pay for your idiot dps players sins

[sharp gale]

If you heal you do kinda the same, you prefer to keep yourself alive than any other dps

Bc key depletes if you die

[floral bronze]

in the priory i taunted kebab man süleyman and pinged stairs to reposition him and myself for the knockup, the second i start running to the stairs i see the wl full blasting using all cds and then just dropping to aggro

[solid sun]

I kill the first four mobs and then fight the boss and don't feel bad about it and no one has complained so far. 🤷‍♂️

[toxic gyro]

Exactly what Trrriple said. I used to care about them being stupid, but it fucks up entire pull when you pull like 2-3 packs or chain. Sometimes they gotta learn the hard way. And hell no I won’t use taunt bc I play disruptive shout for aoe silence and unless I won’t need it in next 1.5 I’ll toss it otherwise I let them learn it the hard way to hold their horses.

[floral bronze]

yeah same for me

[smoky anvil]

Priory is the fucking worst for this

[floral bronze]

BTW guys

[smoky anvil]

Dps become such terrorists

[long bronze]

more damage for me if they die

🙂

[floral bronze]

how do you deal with the shooters in priory? i ofc taunt them on cd but until they jump its essentially a FFA with aggro

[long bronze]

the group just needs to stack

[floral bronze]

yeah but until they jump

[smoky anvil]

I’ve been pulling the first four packs back to the LOS spot just after the first mini stair case.

[long bronze]

you should be burning down knights anyways so if they are dead a little later than the rest nbd

[sharp gale]

For the first pack I LoS at the start of the key, for everything else I insult in /p if range are not in melee

[long bronze]

they random shot regardless of aggro

[smoky anvil]

Gather them up and aoe them down with lust.

[floral bronze]

wheres the LoS spot? ive jusst ben tanking em at the well

[smoky anvil]

Focus a knight so your healer doesn’t kill themself trying to heal two shouts.

[toxic gyro]

Clap them/revenge and they jump into pack after few seconds. Tell range dps ahead of starting the key to play close on every shooter pack otherwise it’s their fault.

[sharp gale]

The start when you walk the first stair you can hide left or right

[solid sun]

I don't pull both knights at the same time anymore. I do the four footmen > knight pack on the right > two fountain packs

[smoky anvil]

As you go into priory a pack charges you. Off to the left is a lil nook.

[floral bronze]

oh thats crazy, gotta look up a vid on it

[solid sun]

You mean the pack of neophytes behind the paladins @smoky anvil ?

Just losing around the big church door outside?

That's what I've been doing

[smoky anvil]

I do that too.

I mean for the first pull.

As well though.

[sharp gale]

Then you have the stairs to go first boss floor for LoS but I don’t use it

[smoky anvil]

For the very first pull I double knight pack, first archer in front of orb, and then the very first pack.

And line them back towards the start.

You charge first pack, leap and heroic throw the next 3 packs, charge back to first, vene a group member waiting at the LOS.

Takes like 4-5 seconds in reality. And my micro is shit and I can do it fine. Idk, I dislike waiting on shooters to come in and this makes them group faster.

[sharp gale]

I don’t take second knight, I do same but with 1 pack of fountain

[solid sun]

Is that the nook you're talking about, though?

[sharp gale]

Nop

The nook is where the 4 footmans are

The first pack of dungeon

[solid sun]

Ah

I haven't been doing double knight either because double knight seems pretty spooky and my healer complains, but I could see just fully exiting to get everyone grouped up regardless of what the whole package you're delivering is

[sharp gale]

Where you have your arrow , I don’t like it bc group is in open space to go there = sharpshooters will start shooting them

[dense cradle]

not wrong but still

[smoky anvil]

The one you show is the one I use personally

[fading tide]

what route you guys go for top when u get to the lower level?

[smoky anvil]

PvP boss, ghost boss, gorechop.

[solid sun]

PvP > Abomination > Lich

[sharp gale]

what i take

[smoky anvil]

Your dps have to know to Zerg a knight. I only play keys with friends so Happy prolly has a better overall route. Double knights can be scary as fuck without coordination.

[sharp gale]

i do the less pug stressing routes, bc i'm not in 16s where you are pressed by the timer

[solid sun]

Well I also play with friends

But this is our first season going past 10's so there's a lot of improvement that's currently having to happen

[sharp gale]

yeah exeperiment and once you depletes a key with 0 death you can start asking these questions

like second boss room i improve depending on group, i do the first to see if healer can heal 2 paladins and do according to that

so route/pack doesn't matter in my mdt for this room

[dense cradle]

i just dont trust pugs

to be good

[sharp gale]

^

[harsh garnet]

Anyone got a solid route for 14-15 floodgate?

[dense cradle]

i made the mistake of doing a cinderbrew pull this week

[unborn island]

What I've been doing for your pull 10 there, is hard cc'ing one of the priests, and breaking it out when the other one dies

[dense cradle]

that assumed the dps would actually hit chewie

[unborn island]

Then the pugs only have 1 caster to kick at a time

[sharp gale]

i take as paradigm pug will be bad and if bodypull is slightly possible, IT WILL happen

[long bronze]

chewie in big pull is banned

tenderize hits too hard people going to die because they don't know what a defense cd is

[dense cradle]

yeah

[sharp gale]

that's why i avoid 3 casters in my packs

[unborn island]

Heheh yep

[dense cradle]

3 kickable mobs is asking for deaths

[unborn island]

But that pull 10 will have 2, and the one after 3 😛

[dense cradle]

in a pug

my favorite is watching someones kick be up and the mob just freecasts on them and they die