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lusty grotto
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possible, depending on your stats

sharp gale
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Tanks have obviously more apm bc off gcds, regular standard spec is around ~60-55 (1 action per gcd)

lusty grotto
rocky crest
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You can leap it but your party needs some invis pots or soothe

lusty grotto
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yes i mentioned that

rocky crest
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oh was for @toxic pewter

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aye saw it later mb

sharp gale
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But it never means apm = hard bc IRON FUR or ignore pain etc increase a lot apms but….

lusty grotto
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anyway i just go radiant power cause there's defensive power in more stats > single stat

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well, strenght

sharp gale
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Yeah I go for depths bc raid and idc about my wep enchant tbh between the two best

lusty grotto
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dunno why i thought it was different stats

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i assume we're at the point where secondaries start to overtake strength at times

sharp gale
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My feral friend mastery started to overtake agi

lusty grotto
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yeah usually first season, strength is more valued

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then as the expansion goes on, secondaries are slightly better until its overtaken

small steeple
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honestly most important damage in m+ is single target anyways, so wouldn't dpeths just be better? outside of not being slightly more tanky?

lusty grotto
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sure

sharp gale
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it depends on your comp but yeah prio damage is good

lusty grotto
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i can agree with that

sharp gale
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if there is no one to obliterate those 20 targets, you need 1 dude to do it

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(udk)

small steeple
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flame shaper dev, udk, fire mage, boomie, uhh

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destro, kinda?

warm plinth
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I'm curious what it's including in that APM chart because I think it's misleading. Those numbers are higher than they were last expansion, despite Blizzard making our APM lower. I'm assuming it's including things we don't actually press.

sharp gale
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fire mage is the prio dmg dude of the meta comp obviously

small steeple
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Fire mage is both 😂

sharp gale
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that's why monk or fury can't be meta keks

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target cap prio dmg L

lusty grotto
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arms just better in keys anyway

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colossus arms

small steeple
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assuming things live for more than 5 globals

sharp gale
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a pack live more than 45 sec usually that's why you sim 1min - 1min 30

warm plinth
small steeple
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is fist of fury or whatever not caped?

warm plinth
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No

small steeple
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never played ww so no clue how it works

warm plinth
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FoF, Whirling Dragon Punch, SCK, all are reduced beyond 5, but not capped.

sharp gale
warm plinth
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It's not

sharp gale
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it is soft target cap, meaning you deal 0 more damage at certain targets numbers

warm plinth
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Reduced beyond x targets doesn't mean it's capped. Most aoe spells are reduced beyond a certain number of targets. Fury literally hits 5 targets, period. That's capped.

lusty grotto
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yeah theres a difference

warm plinth
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20+ targets is where that kicks in

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That's not relevant

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Pretty much every spec is affected by that softcap, except dot classes

lusty grotto
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SL caps are not hard caps, like ghash is saying

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uncapped > SL caps > hard cap

small steeple
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I remember when unholy wasn't... i miss bfa unholy lmao

sharp gale
lusty grotto
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uhh

warm plinth
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Idk what your terms mean. There is no uncapped aoe

lusty grotto
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ignite is uncapped

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but i see what youre saying

warm plinth
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yeah, aside from DoTs like I said earlier

lusty grotto
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yea

sharp gale
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or starfall

warm plinth
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Yeah, starfall is still susceptible to the 20 target thing though

sharp gale
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or udk

warm plinth
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Anyway, the point is that it's misleading to say monk is capped

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because they aren't capped, unless almost every other spec is considered capped too

sharp gale
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i think it's more personal thought on what beeing capped means, whatever dw ^^

warm plinth
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Here's the full list if anyone wants to look; it should be at least mostly up to date. I'm not sure if anything was adjusted since they did the big sweep of it. https://www.wowhead.com/guide/shadowlands-target-capped-abilities-uncapped-capped-spells

lusty grotto
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a lot has been adjusted

warm plinth
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This was updated as of May last year

lusty grotto
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yeah there's still some caps, specifically to us that were put in after

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troar for example

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im not sure if that's in it

warm plinth
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No, it still links to dragon roar on this one

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but at least it's in the tooltip; they're getting better at that, if not perfect

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got mage to 80, still don't have 4 80s for campfire though sadgers

pale hill
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Anyone else just trying out Colossus from Thane and realizing how awesome it is?

sharp gale
warm plinth
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I'm not sure, but I know one thing

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It'll be Happy

sharp gale
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They all are Happy

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i still don't know what my main in raid is ( i restarted to play in S1)

warm plinth
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@lusty grotto remember this name from back in the day? Now he's left behind sadge

sharp gale
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Oh I have silly names but they are all the way down in the delve of nostalgia

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Currywurst is one of them

warm plinth
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I made up most of my names, but some definitely have more effort than others

sharp gale
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I have the traditional French char named Jean-something for a wordplay (mine is Jeanbrasse bc brew and means I kiss)

warm plinth
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My brewmaster is named Kegalicious, which I love, but sadly I do not love brewmaster.

sharp gale
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Yeah that’s why I say it is all the way down, I liked brew in bfa

warm plinth
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You can see how much I love warlock though

wide charm
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not really prot related but can you get Cyrce's Circlet to 658 on an alt immediately? Seems I am out of quests and its only 645

sharp gale
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when you use the skip, it is 645 and you have 1 uphrade in you bag, so 649

lusty grotto
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you have to do the events to get it up

wide charm
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now I'm out

sharp gale
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you didn't skip the intro ?

wide charm
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I did ya

wide charm
sharp gale
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then you have to do events to fill the bar

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rare and contribution elites (those one also drops upgrades)

warm plinth
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Oh, there's another weird gimmick ring this season huh

sharp gale
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yeah delete to get free up on the other ring

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or you mean just borrowed power

wide charm
warm plinth
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do I need the ring? Is it good?

sharp gale
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replaced by others rings 662 -665 unless you love mastery

lusty grotto
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they are warbound

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you just need to do events to get the upgrade pieces

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weekly quests also give it

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iirc

wide charm
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Ok I just did like 3 more events and more quests popped up, I guess I either buy the gems on my main and mail them or just unlock them naturally and the quests will just come up as it goes

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makes sense

lusty grotto
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yeah dont farm the gems

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farm the catch up item

warm plinth
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It's so clean now

lusty grotto
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theres 2-3 vendors around that you can get different gems from on your main, and then just place them in the warbank

wide charm
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I hate that I can't thumbs up peoples comments when they are replying to me

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were there just assholes in this discord abusing emojis? xd

warm plinth
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Oh, because no reactions

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I've been in here since Legion and they've never allowed reactions in that time

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Nor global emojis (in this channel anyway)

wide charm
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I feel like people must have been trolling at some point and it got disabled as a result -- interesting

warm plinth
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Yeah, I'm not really sure what the reason is. Knee-jerk thought would be avoiding passive aggressive emoji reactions but we're all pretty good about just telling people when they're pissing us off so XD

nimble root
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what is happening with gallywix aggro? Is this just a me problem? I was doing 200k more than the other tank and he spun to frontal their group

wide charm
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It's screwy if there is a significant damage difference between the tanks.
If you taunt just before the frontal and the other tank bursts really hard as soon as you taunt he might just get the frontal anyways.
Best for y'all to swap as soon as the frontal goes off

jagged gust
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final boss aggro has been weird with some abilities this xpac istg

lusty grotto
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a log might help

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ive been wondering if its related to not being in melee range

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but anyway a log might tell us more

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we didnt have issues last night

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but tanks were communicating when they were disarming

nimble root
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I don't think we are logging, we haven't started prog on gally yet and were just giving it a peek in a 10 man to see what the first phase was like

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It's very strange because I had issues on first pull, then second pull dh couldn't pull threat off me, then it was fine on the next 3 pulls

warm plinth
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Saw another log of that in another server; couldn't figure it out

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Does he not move in that fight?

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I haven't seen/done it

jagged gust
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p1 no

warm plinth
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Nim might be on to something with the melee range then

jagged gust
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you mean those logs where the first taunt didn't pull aggro then boss flip flopped targets

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On Ansurak it always seemed to happen when the boss was being repositioned between feast and devour, I always suspected this

round cliff
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or is doing the events just faster

prisma echo
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Guys if i did all 12

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and did quest

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if i delete key and ask panda girl

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will i get random 12?

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so i can randomly farm till i get one i need?

cerulean tusk
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You cant delete your key

warm plinth
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You can't delete keys anymore

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You haven't been able to for like, 2 expansions, or almost two expansions

prisma echo
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right

nimble root
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I took a couple steps BACK and it got better

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I think I was too close somehow

errant nimbus
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hectic add cleave or dungeon slice for simming aoe/M+ prot dps?

warm plinth
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Neither. Just sim ST generally. You can sim multiple targets patchwerk if you feel the need to sim aoe

errant nimbus
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ok cool, ty

wide charm
slow forge
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What’s the best defensive to use on Sludge claws

wide charm
slow forge
wide charm
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No, but it does give magic dr

slow forge
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Ah nice.

lusty grotto
lusty grotto
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see the pins for sheet on blockable/reflectable/spellblockable stuff

slow forge
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Ty ty

warm plinth
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now the fun part, figuring out what to do on a fresh return from the game keks

remote mist
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potentially stupid question but figured y'all would know - if i craft a 2h, will i get free upgrades for 1h AND the shield up to that level, or just the 1h?

lusty grotto
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yes you will get free upgrades

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you have to log out after equipping it though

remote mist
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sick ty ty

lusty grotto
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and relog back in

novel pike
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Is there an easy way to know whether the damage you are taking at any given moment is physical or magical or both? noob tank question, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting spell block/reflect if the attack is really only physical

mighty valley
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Not reeeeaaallly, it tells you in the combat log but you’re not really reading that in real time

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You kind of just have to do it by learning in advance or assuming based on the vibes of the ability

warm plinth
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Bleeds, melee attacks, and anything shot from a gun/bow are almost always physical. Anything with a cast time can be reasonably assumed to be a magic spell, especially if it's interruptible.

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I wouldn't really worry about wasting spell reflection though; it's such a short CD that unless you should've been using it on a tankbuster, it's not going to hurt anything

novel pike
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okay thank you guys! that's a good tip about the guns/bows wasn't sure on that one, e.g. the sharpshooters in priory

thin silo
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relatedly, I've been wondering if any other tank classes have to maintain a spreadsheet to know whether their core defensive abilities will work on a given attack/ability, or if it's just us

prisma echo
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DK with AMS

lusty grotto
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well kind of

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for the other tanks

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but its not as important

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but yeah AMS is def one

prisma echo
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spell reflect and ams are great and help you cheese some mechanics

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i love it

lusty grotto
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druids benefit from knowing if magical damage too

prisma echo
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its so satisfying

lusty grotto
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heart of the wild, etc

dusty arch
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if bitter immunity were a 2 min cd, would it be worth taking?

strong forum
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eeeeeh

lusty grotto
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if it got bleeds like in tww ptr maybe

strong forum
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maybe

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its hard to justify the point

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cuz its mostly just QoL

dusty arch
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i feel like a reduced cd would give us more utility which we kinda need

lusty grotto
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thats not really utility

warm plinth
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A self heal is kind of whatever when we already have one on a very short CD. Its "utility" would then become the status effect removals, which generally just aren't good unless it's something that another ability can't remove (e.g. bleeds).

dusty arch
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im just trying to think of some low-hanging fruit for blizzard. prot war can't always be top dps, so just wondering what utility would balance things out a bit more.

toxic pewter
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blizz will never give prot warr any more utility most warrior players want nothing to do with helping others whatsoever

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prot warr players - maybe - but the dps ones don't want anything other than zug zug

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they literally say it

warm plinth
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Never say never; we've had more utility in the past, so stands to reason we may have more in the future. I think people tend to get too hung up on utility past a certain point though, and folks act like we have 0 or something

dusty arch
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i think it could be as simple as buffing intercept to work more like 'guard' in other games. intercepts all attacks on ally insetad of just 1

toxic pewter
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yeah but we also were never training wheels tank which we now are

lusty grotto
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i dont consider a self dispel "utility"

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that gives absolutely nothing to the group

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and dwarves already have it

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it needs to remove bleeds, still not utility, to be "maybe" worth it

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the cd doesnt matter

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we've had proper "utility" before

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safeguard, gag order

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just put those back

warm plinth
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We had Safeguard before, Gag Order was a thing at one point, Warbringer was OP as fuck good

lusty grotto
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thats it

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yee

dusty arch
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oh ya, safeguard looks cool, they should've never removed that

warm plinth
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I love Lilian Voss; she's so hardcore lol

warm plinth
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made it so heroic throw was an interrupt

round cliff
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HUH

warm plinth
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It was a glyph, back when glyphs were meaningful things in the game

round cliff
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cool now can we please get rid of the range restriction on heroic throw

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please

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take it off charge too idc

warm plinth
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Why do you need to heroic throw from 2 feet away?

round cliff
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its more like from 3 feet away

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sometimes im dodging a swirly for more than a single global cooldown just annoyingly out of melee range

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and i want to do my 0.000000001% extra dps

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or sometimes taunt is off cd and i cant reach all the way over there to melee something

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even if its not practically useful almost ever

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paladins can point blank hammer throw

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dh can point blank throw glaive (better move btw)

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why cant i point blank heroic throw

lusty grotto
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what the fuck for

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point blank shield slam

round cliff
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i cant charge at point blank range

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explain that one funny man

lusty grotto
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why would you charge

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does it do SC damage?

round cliff
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why cant i charge.

lusty grotto
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theres 0 point

warm plinth
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I mean, from a why the fuck not standpoint, sure. I just can't see myself ever caring enough one way or another

round cliff
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from a body dynamics point of view.

toxic pewter
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what with floodgate group wanting me to skip bubbles mini boss how do i even do that

round cliff
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"whats the point" who cares.

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why cant i

lusty grotto
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we're talking about useful tools and you're making a weird request that makes no difference

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seems odd given the context

round cliff
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dont care

warm plinth
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I kinda like that charge has a minimum range though, to be fair. It means I can actually use it for movement in addition to rage, instead of being forced to use it as a button that just gives me rage

round cliff
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why cant i?

lusty grotto
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you can, we're just not discussing these

round cliff
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yea sure charge w/e balancing perspective

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heroic throw tho?

warm plinth
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Heroic throw would not change my life in the slightest. If they asked us to vote, I'd vote to remove the min range

round cliff
warm plinth
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Because there really is no reason for it to have a minimum range; I agree

round cliff
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so why not get rid of it

round cliff
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balanced against what? pally who does the same thing without range restriction

lusty grotto
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you shouldnt be able to fucking silence shit with heroic throw at melee range

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you use kick and disrupting for that

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don't be ridiculous

round cliff
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why not.

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i think i should

lusty grotto
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gag order is useful cause you can pull casters instead of hugging LoS

warm plinth
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also I was misinformed earlier; it was a talent, not a glyph, though I think I'm getting mandela effected there. I would've sworn it was a glyph

round cliff
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so what im gathering is

lusty grotto
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you didnt gather anything

round cliff
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gag order isnt in the game, and there is no reason for heroic throw to have a range restriction

lusty grotto
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youre missing the point

round cliff
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next

lusty grotto
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context just flew over you

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it is what it is

round cliff
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context this context that

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who cares

warm plinth
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well, look at it from blizzard's perspective

round cliff
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why does heroic throw have a minimum range is the question

warm plinth
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There's no reason to remove the min range, so why would they? It's just a chance to possibly introduce a new bug or something

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so I get why it still has one

lusty grotto
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it hits for fucking nothing, why does it matter if it has a min range

round cliff
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why does it matter if it doesnt

lusty grotto
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youre still not gonna press it

round cliff
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but ill rest easy knowing that i could

lusty grotto
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i give up

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fuck this conversation

round cliff
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good

lusty grotto
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absolute idiot

waxen frigate
round cliff
warm plinth
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What should I get for dinner

waxen frigate
round cliff
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i do

waxen frigate
round cliff
round cliff
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impeccable argumentative skill

warm plinth
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ok but why would you ping him when he said he was done with the conversation x_x

round cliff
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i didnt!

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i clicked the dont ping button

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because im respectful

warm plinth
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oh lol; the new theme thing is messing with me

round cliff
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nah thats an ancient feature

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been here for a while

warm plinth
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It's different even for me; I've had it and I'm even using the same theme

round cliff
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i like new theme tbh

warm plinth
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I can barely see the highlight of a ping now

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they lightened it or changed the opacity or something

round cliff
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its def lighter

warm plinth
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I don't mind it other than that

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The new overlay looks better

round cliff
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overlay?

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like ingame?

warm plinth
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Yeah, like if you're in voice, it can put names and/or icons over the game

round cliff
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oh that

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absolutely hate it

warm plinth
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I use it all the time

round cliff
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had to turn it off because its so much worse

warm plinth
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worse how?

toxic pewter
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I like the new look of it also

round cliff
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1 when u actually open it up its just. cluttered and messy instead of being discord but in-game
2 the voice overlay just has less people? the old one showed me my entire 25 man raid team

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new one limited it to like, 8

warm plinth
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can't you just turn on the legacy one or something

round cliff
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i never use legacy options because they'll just be taken from me eventually

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id rather get over not having it now

dusty echo
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How do u guys not struggle with big momma in floodgate? I did it on a 12 and was perma brink of death

round cliff
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are u using spell block

dusty echo
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yes

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are u guys lusting it

round cliff
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im not but some ppl do

round pendant
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the min range is to stop you from pressing it when you could press literally anything else and be better off

round cliff
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theres still a deadzone where u cant melee but cant throw either

round pendant
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skill issue

round cliff
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true

round pendant
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(thunder clap)

round cliff
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so true..

round pendant
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revenge

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aoe taunt

round cliff
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does revenge actually reach that far forward

round pendant
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probably idk

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yeah

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it's 8 yards melee is 5 yards

round cliff
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same deal..

round pendant
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lol

round cliff
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and that 1 is even worse than heroic throw

karmic plinth
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yeah but if u hard channel jade lightning in melee u will prob die from messing up ur energy economy

round cliff
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exactly!

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so ur gonna press literally anything else

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but they arent STOPPING u from doing it arbitrarily

round pendant
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This is like saying why can't I press shield slam outside of melee range

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like you won't press it outside of melee range but at least they aren't arbitrarily preventing you from doing it

round cliff
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i would definitely press shield slam if it was ranged wym

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u would too

round pendant
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no it just wouldn't hit in this scenario

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point is the restrictions are there to guide your gameplay

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you should not using heroic throw at point blank

round cliff
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theres a very clear disconnect in logic here
i would not be pressing heroic throw at point blank if i could

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i simply think i should be allowed to

round pendant
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also isn't jade lightning used by windwalker for big dam?

round cliff
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not by brm

karmic plinth
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its prob based on (as a lot of warrior spells are rooted in) rhe fact that in dnd you cant use ranged abilities in melee wihout havig disadvantage

round pendant
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would be kinda stupid if it had a minimum range

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yeah but it's a shared ability

round cliff
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also not until like really recently

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it was fairly worthless for everyone until lately

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maybe mistweaver exception idk

karmic plinth
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capacitor has been there since legion in some form

round pendant
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well if they give arms/fury heroic throw + a talent that makes it do fat damage

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I'd advocate removing the min range

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otherwise idfc

round cliff
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capacitor was in sl? damn

karmic plinth
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just wasnt very good

round cliff
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then i had to care because of principle

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so now this is an opinion i have

karmic plinth
round cliff
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wasnt there some shitty talent that did that

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it made u throw multiple throws but had a cd

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or smth

karmic plinth
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titanic throw made it aoe

round cliff
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i couldve SWORN there was a multi throw at some point

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maybe im getting confused w/ divine toll

karmic plinth
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it was removed in tww

round cliff
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well ik about titanic throw

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im thinking of smth different

cyan bronze
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guys

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u realize that half of this game doesn’t work

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and ur confused why there’s a min range on a spell?

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this entire game was built on vibe coding

round cliff
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im not confused im shocked and appalled

cyan bronze
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why are u either of those

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as i said b4

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literally half of this game doesn’t work

round cliff
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when blizz literally doesnt test their buggy ass patches and pushes them live? i sleep

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when heroic throw have 8 yd range requirement?

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real shit

cyan bronze
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i mean ur lucky we’re not in vdhs position

strong forum
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Or bear

cyan bronze
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demolish wouldn’t generate any threat clueless

strong forum
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Bear tierset doesn't work for half it's shit

round cliff
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damn what does vdh do that doesnt generate threat 😭

strong forum
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And can ninja pull

cyan bronze
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or we would randomly exit out of dstance

cyan bronze
strong forum
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Currently there's also the un-targeting bug

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Where you randomly untarget

round cliff
cyan bronze
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which isn’t as egregious as demolish not

strong forum
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For no reason, but that's gamewide

cyan bronze
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but like

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it’s kinda like

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you know

round cliff
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weird

cyan bronze
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the hero talents whole gimmick

round cliff
cyan bronze
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it would be like if thunder blast didn’t generate agro ig

round cliff
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or do u literally just

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stop targeting after pressing no buttons

cyan bronze
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like

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this game is sooo buggy

round cliff
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cuz i got an addon to disable clicking on things to target em in combat

cyan bronze
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sof threat bug icant

round cliff
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and it seems to have fixed

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anything like that

strong forum
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It's literally a bug currently

round cliff
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wild

strong forum
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Extremely noticeable on casters

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As melee not cuz every button we press force-targets

toxic pewter
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Game is buggiest it’s ever been in my opinion

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Plus my game freezes for 1-20 seconds

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And just crashes

round cliff
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i changed details and it hasnt happened since

toxic pewter
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I increased the refresh to like .5 seconds

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Should I increase it more

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I thought it may of been details

round cliff
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i mean that should be much better than the default which is like .05

toxic pewter
#

Hmmm

round cliff
#

i set mine to like 1 but u should be fine at .5

toxic pewter
#

Ok I’ll go to 1 maybe will solve

round cliff
#

i did 1 or 1.5 idk

#

shouldnt matter much as long as it isnt low

toxic pewter
#

Yeah I’m increasing it either way

#

I may even uninstall it for a while see if that helps just to see if it is the issue.

#

I’ll go back to recount lol

strong forum
toxic pewter
#

Yep really feels like they almost need to like have an entire patch dedicated to bugs or something

#

Like I know the playerbase would hate it

#

But it’s all snowballing

timber nest
#

is circlet not good for prot?

green fulcrum
#

any good spell reflect WA for prot?

strong forum
strong forum
#

Sr is almost exclusively used for the magic dmg reduction instead of actually reflecting

timber nest
strong forum
#

Then so be it

#

Sims don't lie

#

(sometimes they do)

timber nest
#

ya, i cant wait to get rid of circlet

#

feels so gimmicky

toxic pewter
#

I ditched it and never looked back

wintry oxide
#

what do you get rid of to take Disrupting shout in an m+ build

#

I swapped thunderlord, but just wondering if there might be a better option

wet void
#

so gear question...is everforged defender better to have than titan of industry?

chilly brook
wet void
#

well when i craft it, yes it will

chilly brook
#

then you have your answer

wet void
#

i just look...at wowhead and BiS says titan but i look at some of the higher geared warrior tanks in m+ high keys and they have the defender so

wintry oxide
chilly brook
#

there's probably single digit amount of people who have a myth titan of industry

wet void
#

yeah mine ain't that lol

distant fractal
#

I've been doing Mountain Thane in raid for every boss and honestly it doesn't feel bad.

jagged gust
#

MT is pretty well tied with colo in pure ST

#

dps wise, plus plays easier, honestly not a bad call

distant fractal
#

I thought I was gonna love colo because of BEEEG DAMAGE, but it feels hells awkward to use at times.

thin silo
#

My favorite part is the mechanics that violate its "you cannot be forcibly moved" clause

distant fractal
chilly brook
distant fractal
#

Good to know. i always heard shield ilevel was important and I figured it was because of block, but I was never certain.

chilly brook
#

Man healers are something else in this game

#

Go for a 12 priory on my alt monk

#

Bro barely heals me more than the dps and cries about how the pull I did “never works”….

lime mantle
#

I like how much he healed that warrior keks

sage hill
wide charm
#

I don't think the concept is specific to prot warriors but yea technically..

wide charm
sage hill
jagged gust
#

more importantly who is doodlebob?

cyan bronze
#

This is doodlebob

chilly brook
#

It's not supposed to be analyzed that hard lol

cyan bronze
chilly brook
chilly brook
cyan bronze
#

did you know that you are also showing an arms warrior(DPS warrior spec)? this is the protection warrior channel (warrior tank spec).

#

did you mean to post that in the arms warrior theory crafting channel?

jagged gust
#

Monks wear leather and are automatically excluded from the tank category. Go put on some real armor.

cyan bronze
#

wtf

#

is that why this happened

lime mantle
#

Yes.

wide charm
# chilly brook 4 packs into the mini boss with lust

I am not healing this season, just tanking, so I am unsure how brutal it is for them...
But I assume that's 1 disrupting shout (can spell lock your casters including the healer) and thunderclap to deal with as the healer on top of the sharpshooters--- even with lust I feel like some dps will just get randomly clapped if thy aren't prio-ing the sharpshooters
So like... the pull isn't bad, but probably not safe for pugs

cyan bronze
#

I knew it

#

stupid vdhs

dense cradle
#

did bro think spikes and sigil of flame was going to mitigate a cast

cyan bronze
#

tech nich ally

#

8% magic dr

dense cradle
#

from fel flame

cyan bronze
#

oh yes that too

#

18% total

dense cradle
#

yeah idk i usually like opening with brand

#

wheres the 8% magic dr

lime mantle
#

Should've equiped frost res gear.

cyan bronze
#

demon muzzle..

#

doubt he had

#

fwiw

dense cradle
#

wait it affects bosses?

cyan bronze
#

iirc

#

also 12% if he double spiked extra

dense cradle
#

(no point call out how i mainly open with brand to start doing dam)

cyan bronze
#

for calcified

dense cradle
#

ngl i dont read half the shit i have

#

when i play tanks

cyan bronze
#

yeah

dense cradle
#

i know aldrachi has some defensiveness built into

#

doing the combo

#

or something

#

which really just is cleave into fracture st

#

and ig reverse if more than one

cyan bronze
#

ya it depends

#

on st

#

most ppl just always do frac sc

dense cradle
#

warrior everyone just binds kick

#

when i put sr up

cyan bronze
#

👍

dense cradle
wide charm
# chilly brook Idk this was a pug and it went fine https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p9BfQ8m...

Yea some pugs are just better than others-- the variance is why, generally, you just choose to do safer things to avoid bricking keys with mid players
Again, the pull sounds fine just risky with randos
You can see in that log that you only took a little more healing than the party as well there
The group dmg taken is just high---
Most importantly, you can see 2 sharpshooters died FIRST (by 50 secs into the pull)

chilly brook
#

Key difference is that is also on my warrior

#

warrior should need very little healing tbh

wide charm
#

If you wanna do it again on your monk I'd say just tell the group to focus the sharpshooters

#

If they focus them, toss CCs into them, actually use their defensives, etc --- pull should be fine

lime mantle
#

I've proved it, say "I am reflecting" instantly 4 out of 5 kicks go out.

sharp gale
fallow fern
#

i got 2 pairs of bracers.. one with leech and one with a socket.. which would you use?

toxic pewter
#

Prob socket for me

jagged gust
#

socket is +2% movespeed unless you've already managed to replace cyrces

honest pelican
#

Well.. Thunderlcap.

feral drift
#

Question likely asked more than a few times. Can I replace Circlet with ANY hero ring or is it certain ones. I have

round cliff
#

will answer all your questions

#

also make sure you have enough haste for itf, tho

honest pelican
#

Whats the consensus between mtn thane and collosus?

ionic nimbus
honest pelican
ionic nimbus
honest pelican
ionic nimbus
#

1st: you dont spend much rage in IP. feed your IP with dmg, reset the duration with outburst, send as much revenge into the packs as possible

#

tbh you can double your dps almost

honest pelican
#

So WA to track seeing red and make sure its used on IP?

ionic nimbus
#

the aim is trying to avoid to spend to much rage in IP, thats some kind of old habbit from MT

#

you are rage starving this way very fast

#

and then Colossus is becoming klunky

#

g2g now, breakfest and fam is calling 😉 just play keys and learn .. you will see that colossus is much fun and big dam, and definitly not squishy

waxen quarry
round cliff
#

i need warrior brain philosophy

#

if im setting up vdh keybinds to be ROUGHLY equivalent to warrior keybinds

#

meta goes on the shield wall button, demon spikes goes on the shield block button

#

where does fiery brand go tho

#

the ignore pain button??

honest pelican
remote dawn
#

hiho, short question whats better thunder or demolish prot? dmg and def ?

mild bough
#

Is funhouse lens or mechano core amplifier better? Same ilvl

valid spade
sharp gale
round cliff
#

avatar keybind is R on every char

#

except i picked this arbitrarily

sharp gale
#

Yeah I mean THE CD of every specs

round cliff
#

yup

sharp gale
#

It is always on the same keybind

round cliff
#

R is my big cd, and E is maintenance defensives on tanks or small cds on dps

sharp gale
#

Like combust, recklessness

round cliff
#

shield block on prot, reck on fury

#

well fury has avatar now so it goes on R

#

not reck

sharp gale
#

Q and E are very often buttons so yeah maintenance on tanks

#

Rampage for fury on Q and ww on E as example

round cliff
#

all my rotational abilities are on my mouse buttons regardless of class

#

i save keyboard for buffs n defensives and etc

sharp gale
#

Ah I got only 2 side buttons

round cliff
#

problem im having is

#

compared to prot war

#

veng has less dedicated defensives, NO offensive cooldowns, and a fuckton of misc "take a bit less damage, do a bit more damage, maybe a bit of both :3" buttons

#

and theres no parity

#

so idk where to put em without it feeling wrong somehow

#

like everywhere i put fiery brand feels wrong. its a defensive, so it should go on like, Q, or 1/2/3, or something
but its also a damage cooldown so it could validly go on R
but its also just a targeted attack it could validly be on a mouse button

sharp gale
#

Fiery brand is like 45 sec or smth cd def ?

#

30 - 45 cd is always on shift Q or E for me

#

I would maybe see it as shield charge if it is not really a huge def cd but I think it’s like 30 or 40% dr no ?

#

I would put it on the ravager or roar button tbh, I know it spread too with a m+ talent

valid spade
#

R is clearly ROAR

sharp gale
#

Shift Q is roar

round cliff
#

the roar button goes to the hunt, and the rava button goes to sigil of spite (ground targeted cooldown)

sharp gale
#

Avatar is the ultimate of pwar it has to go on R

valid spade
valid spade
#

But I changed it up

sharp gale
#

Maybe X then, or C (C is movement abilities for me so I was not considering it)
Execute is 4 for me

valid spade
#

I'm just adding to the chaos ignore me.

#

Try that

#

That's how I started setting stuff up

#

Belluar did a kind of generic keybinds for all characters

sharp gale
#

Ctrl is banned personnally

valid spade
#

Ctrl banned. Crazyness

round cliff
#

i need both an @ cursor and an @ player macro for infernal strike

sharp gale
#

Alt is with mouse buttons only bc weird hand pressing other keyboard buttons with alt for me

round cliff
#

and i have no good place to put an @ player infernal strike

#

so i threw it on X

#

cuz it was an open button

#

X is normally spell reflect

valid spade
#

X I have bound to something I can't remember what I'm on hols but I miss not having X to unsheath weapons

#

I almost want to find a bind for it

round cliff
#

just unsheathe w/ clap

sharp gale
round cliff
#

no bueno

valid spade
round cliff
#

thunderclap unsheathes ur weapons yes

valid spade
#

Well shit

#

The most informative bit of information you legend

sharp gale
#

Yeah I don’t have any button to unsheathe, I just clap

#

Or ww as fury

round cliff
#

heres a REAL moral question @sharp gale

#

my prot war taunt button is V

#

my demon hunter glide button is V

#

which has to go

valid spade
sharp gale
#

Isn’t glide space bar / when you jump ?

round cliff
#

yes but

#

its not optimal speed

#

optimal speed is single jump -> glide

#

which requires glide bound

valid spade
#

Glide can't be your taunt that's asking for trouble surely

round cliff
#

YEA IT IS

#

but also i dont wanna move taunt off V, i have no open mouse buttons without moving other shit

valid spade
#

If you're setting up the vdh then glide goes elsewhere

round cliff
#

and i dont wanna move glide off V because its very easy to roll ur thumb from space to V

#

for optimal jump gliding

#

and it cant go on C or B

jagged gust
#

I have taunt on F, for oh FUCK

valid spade
#

F is fucking heal me personally

sharp gale
#

Yeah it’s special but you will use it as combo with space bar if I understand

round cliff
#

F is for deFensive stance

#

tbh

valid spade
jagged gust
#

Oh that shift E, for when I have to shift into dEfensive stance

round cliff
#

i was fury before prot

valid spade
#

Ah fair

sharp gale
#

It can’t be V, I imagine it weird to press space bar with thumb and immidiately V

valid spade
#

For arms it's bound to IP

jagged gust
#

why not shift space for glide?

sharp gale
#

Shift space bar ?

sharp gale
#

Je suis gnome

jagged gust
#

hon hon hon

valid spade
#

Off to swim cyaaa

round cliff
#

i tried, its not comfy

#

buttttttt

#

its the next best option

#

oh, i remember the real problem now

#

sooooo u ever try to do ur dps rotation while jumping? and u have stuff on a shift modifier key?

#

having anything bound to shift space FUCKS that up

sharp gale
#

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking bc you would explode space + shift space bar repeatedly, it will be same weird as space bar + V

round cliff
#

i had to outlaw shift space while on 2nd boss of last raid

#

because u have to jump the gaps

jagged gust
round cliff
#

and id lose so many inputs to having to dps and press space

jagged gust
#

alt+tab switches between any open apps, like switching from wow to firefox mid pull

sharp gale
#

The thumb is really not the fastest finger yeah

round cliff
#

OH

#

lmaooo

#

you know i used to have alt as a modifier key too

#

but my side mouse buttons r bound to the f keys

#

im sure u can guess

#

what happened

jagged gust
#

HAHAH

#

"did the tank just rage quit?"

round cliff
#

i was in a voice call when it happened i just had to own up to it

#

💔

#

and like, i really want to change what my side mouse keys r bound to cuz having alt modifiers would be nice

#

but also theres no other easily recognizable + bindable set of 12 keys on the keyboard

#

other than f1-f12

jagged gust
#

already used your numpad?

#

or do you have one of those shortie keyboards

round cliff
#

no, but some games dont consider the numpad and number row to be legally distinct

#

it was inconvenient

jagged gust
#

oh of course

#

numbers are numbers after all

#

😔

sharp gale
#

I had a lot of issues with alt shift too (it’s changes the virtual keyboard if you have multiple ones)

round cliff
#

はい

sharp gale
#

Imagine the keyboard changing like this so half binds doesn’t work

south wing
#

just took the training wheels off and swapped from heavy repercussions to into the fray. is 85% shield block uptime good or am i messing something up? I definitely felt a few times where I didn't have a charge of shield block ready when I never felt that with into the fray

round cliff
#

85% in what

#

raid or m+

#

whats ur haste rating

#

in numerical value not %

south wing
#

M+ and 15,245

round cliff
#

ur a bit low for itf

#

its not training wheels, its recommended

#

get to like 17,000 i think

south wing
#

ah that makes sense. I was just following the build on archon.gg

#

thanks for the info

round cliff
#

archon is stinky

south wing
#

just use wowhead? or icy-veins?

round cliff
#

both are written by nome

#

use icyveins if ur over the age of 40

#

wowhead if ur not

round cliff
south wing
#

sounds good. tysm

round cliff
#

i use itf and im at 15,661

jagged gust
#

4P really helps to close the SB uptime gap

round cliff
#

so it miiiiight be a skill issue that needs diagnosing

#

4pc helps a lot, knowing when NOT to press sb helps a lot

south wing
#

very possible but fwiw im 15k haste with a flask on i just realized. I also dont have either 2 or 4 set

#

yeah I was trying to avoid pressing it when mobs were casting or a boss was doing bullshit

round cliff
#

ah

#

no 4set is whats killing u

#

ur losing out on free casts of shield block, basically

sharp gale
#

4p helps but it needs to proc or you just have 15k haste with itf

round cliff
#

"it needs to proc" just get lucky

#

thats the whole point

#

its that easy

jagged gust
#

Yeah it's only 1ppm, so you can get unlucky depending on when it decides to proc

round cliff
#

how does ppm even work

#

like if u get a proc will u be throttled from getting another one

#

for a little while

jagged gust
#

fyralath legendary drop rate

south wing
#

i appreciate the insight everyone. I will assume it's partially a skill issue at the very least

round cliff
#

i wouldnt assume so yet

#

run HR until u get 4pc

#

then swap to ITF

#

see what happens

sharp gale
#

My quick guess is a roll each tick and every min of 0 proc, the proc is forced

jagged gust
#

nah, just a lack of haste, 15k with flask and no 4p is just too little haste for full uptime

#

outside of haste affix week

round cliff
#

should i take shattering throw for add week

#

🤔

jagged gust
#

cast timer? gross

round cliff
#

cant u block during it?

sharp gale
#

You can execute or demolish it

round cliff
#

also wrecking throw has no cast timer

#

and does the same thing without the immunity purge

#

right?

jagged gust
#

have to check now

round cliff
jagged gust
#

yeah you right

sharp gale
#

Isn’t that talent cost 2 points because you have to take the mass fear ?

round cliff
#

it costs 2 points cuz we dont take honed reflexes

jagged gust
#

you lose intervene and bounding stride or something for it

round cliff
#

lose intervene and lose rally tbh

#

can u lose rally

#

u totally can

sharp gale
#

Yeah I misplaced in my mind where shattering throw was

jagged gust
#

yeah I was wrong, it has to be from the next tier of talents, so rumbling earth/crackling thunder if you want to keep rally

round cliff
#

i dont remember the last time i pressed rally in a dungeon

#

ngl

#

rumbling earth so much more useful than rally

#

same w crackling thunder

jagged gust
#

Haven't touched crackling thunder this season tbh

#

but yeah rumbling earth too good

sharp gale
#

I rally almost on cd

round cliff
#

rally not worth my gcd

#

healer problem

sharp gale
#

I play without bounding stride

round cliff
#

i will literally never drop bounding stride

#

you cant make me

sharp gale
#

Yeah I chose crackling over bounding stride

round cliff
#

i take both

#

nvm i apparently dont take crackling

#

i gaslit myself

sharp gale
#

You have to chose 2 between crackling - bounding stride or rumbling

round cliff
#

i choose bounding stride AND rumbling

#

what of it

jagged pier
#

if your colossus

#

u dont take crackling

#

its not worth it

#

and i take rumbling and bounding

#

and rally

sharp gale
#

Maybe I should talent out of crackling now that I’m more confident as col

#

But I did so many keys without bounding there is so few instances where I was damn the leap cd fucked me

jagged pier
#

i cant play without it

#

leap is too slow

ionic fern
#

I just don't play Rumbling and use bounding/crackling.

round cliff
#

drop intervene, drop rally

sharp gale
#

You are saying it just to be special Mwahi we know it

round cliff
#

play all 3 of rumbling and bounding and crackling

#

ive solved world hunger

#

?

sharp gale
#

Tbh not a bad thought

round cliff
#

but idc about crackling

#

i dont think ive had a single case of "damn i wish i had crackling for this pull"

#

id sooner take wrecking

upbeat gate
#

Hi Guys. may i ask when do we swap into ibattle stance ?? i m basically almsot all dungeon in Deff Stance ending up only doing like 1.8-2m dps in my keys. Do you swap on Cds like Avatar and Demolish ? or do you have like a thumb number if my mitigation is up and im aboe 80% health go battle stance or something ?

round cliff
#

we dont

#

battle stance NEVER worth

sharp gale
#

But crackling is weak talent as col it’s just for fucking bandaid fix me the aggro on pull

round cliff
#

u can safely take battle stance off ur keyboard if u wanted

sharp gale
#

So without intervene, which talent would you take but not crackling ?

round cliff
#

rumbling

ionic fern
#

I wouldn't say crackling is weak. It helps facilitate the lack of UF and makes gathering packs/spreading Rend way easier.

sharp gale
#

I take already rumbling and bounding stride in this example

round cliff
#

hmm

#

lemme boot up and see what i do diff

sharp gale
#

Maybe intimidating shout

round cliff
#

nop

#

what did i drop intervene for actually lol

#

where is that point rn

#

uhhhhhhhhh

ionic fern
sharp gale
jagged pier
#

overwhelming rage

#

u dont ned it

round cliff
#

AH

#

yes

#

i dont play without overwhelming rage

#

goated talent

sharp gale
#

So you don’t press revenge enough ????

round cliff
#

no i press revenge 4 times without getting a ss reset and starve

sharp gale
#

Logic, your gambling addiction is screaming it will be fixed with the 5th

round cliff
#

whats the 5th

sharp gale
#

5th revenge

round cliff
#

true

#

idk we take overwhelming rage for raid and i like having the same rage bar at all times

sharp gale
#

With 30 more rage you can spin the SS reset wheel one more time

round cliff
#

it just is comfier

#

i dont like seeing my rage bar go up/down faster than it should

#

makes me feel financially unstable

#

constantly at risk of bankruptcy

#

i like being allowed to pool rage in times of plenty

sharp gale
#

Idk I read the number personally

#

Since over 80 I rage dump in IP

round cliff
#

and then ur at like. 0 rage

#

scary

sharp gale
#

Well to be more precise I rage dump if I SS or TC at 70-80

round cliff
#

yea i do the same thing except at 100-110

#

except then because im pooled slightly higher i have to mental stack my shield block timer slightly less

#

i can dump with ignore pain, not realize im supposed to press shield block immediately after, press it, and still have some revenge in the tank

#

if i make that mistake without overwhelming rage im FUCKED

jagged pier
#

Your not

#

The reality is we gen less rage now

#

So u dont ever really get close to overcapping

#

Well thats what i find at least

sharp gale
#

Tbh I just press shield block on cd kinda

round cliff
#

i press shield block either when its about to tick up to 2 charges, or to prevent overcapping if i already have a healthy ignore pain up

#

seems to help w/ uptime if i do it that way

sharp gale
#

Does it help ? I think it stack 3 time the duration anyway

jagged gust
#

It depends

#

some talents bypass that limit

round cliff
#

if u do it my way theres a higher chance that you'll tick up to 2 charges during downtime instead of just having shield block rolling for no reason

#

which is good for uptime

sharp gale
#

Yeah I don’t refresh/restack SB when the pack will soon die

jagged gust
#

About the only time I have problems with SB uptime is if I don't feel like pressing CDs or the boss is at 2% HP and I just wanna pump out a few more executes

round cliff
#

i still rage starve the second i press even a single execute

#

i have not figured out the solution to this problem

#

the solution may just be switch to vdh

jagged gust
#

I bet you could easily adjust nomer's WA to suit you

#

grey out exe outside of conditions

sharp gale
#

I just execute -> shield slam reset? -> can I revenge ? -> clap -> shield slam reset ?

round cliff
#

heres what happens

#

i shield slam and clap to pool rage

#

i execute

#

i execute

#

im starved

#

gg

#

no resets

sharp gale
#

Yeah if you use tc you will be gcd lock

#

Just send not full rage executes and trust the Mud God for SS resets

round cliff
#

and save it for when i starve?

sharp gale
#

I don’t (and I don’t know)

#

That’s my prio in execute : SS > execute > revenge > clap, idk a little bit it is so rare in m+

#

And yes if I feel im threatened I just don’t execute, I just do normal rotation

jagged gust
#

Above 60 rage SS > Exe > TC, below 60 rage SS > TC > Revenge, that's the jist of my priorities

round cliff
#

i can try that

sharp gale
#

Yeah it’s more, just don’t execute at all even if you can sometime

round cliff
#

but big dam

sharp gale
#

it is very very rare that i don't execute, it's more like on some specific m+ bosses AND specific timings mostly, i can't tell which one x)

fading tide
#

How do I know if I have enough ignore pain?

blazing condor
#

you live

blazing axle
#

Hey o/
I alt tank with a warrior and got 3 sparks atm. I'm seeing people crafting wrists + cloack or wrists + shield with lining, other ascendance on weapon and and nerubian boost on another piece. Since it's an alt maybe going to +12 max (655ilvl, doing 10s-11s atm), what's the "long run" crafts to do? (got hero shield an weapon atm at 658)

prisma crane
#

i'd still probably make shield and weapon first

#

nothing else is going to be nearly as impactful

unborn island
#

Yeah, if you're thinking long run just make sure you get those, everything else you'll have the sparks to make once you have the crests

#

Obvs don't if you've got mythic from vault, but yeah

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You still end up saving the crests even if you do as you save 60 upgrading the vault item

fading tide
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whats more impactful shield or weap for prot?

jagged gust
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two different things

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shield makes you tankier, sword is the best bang for your buck DPS wise

unborn island
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I take shield first at start of season

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When people don't know the dungeons being able to turtle more effectively is probably a better thing if you pug

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Although DPS also important

idle copper
idle copper
# fading tide How do I know if I have enough ignore pain?

Not sure if this is what you mean but you can make a weak aura bar that gives you its value and a count down.

I have mine giving me a sound count down from 5 and a ping at 1 when it's going to drop off.

Gets a bit spammy but find it helpful

idle copper
fading tide
oak ivy
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I believe they changed it relatively recently to display stacks relative to what percent of max it's at

sharp gale
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That let 50% of the damage go through

somber dragon
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I always forget if IP is before or after block

sharp gale
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The amount doesn’t really matter it is more having ignore pain up than having it full

oak ivy
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my only source being I definitely remember a couple tank busters in raid moving my IP by like 1% cuz of a crit block

somber dragon
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I thought it was that way, because it also makes more sense from a "description" pov, but I'm always paranoid about assuming that blizzard does things in a way that's least beneficial, exactly because of examples like that 😅

fading tide
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does it matter which 1h i craft? and what should i put on it?

strong forum
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weapon type doesnt matter, as long as it actually is a strength weapon

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and what to put on it, most popular is ascendance

feral drift
# round cliff sim

Aye, I know the classic "sim it". Always felt weird simming prot stuff though. I don't know how to judge "will this help me not get my face cleaved off"

sharp gale
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Blizzard made sure every stats on tanks have their defensive utility, except haste on brew bc they suck

floral bronze
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what a week dude, made 1M gold selling items i won in raid and just got mugzees fist weapon

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btw what wep enchat are u guys using for m+? on archon.gg theyre using depths but isnt that a ST enchant?

slender bison
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Im stuck with the 665 shield from ML. Waiting on M+ vault rest of the season now for upgrade?

jade basalt
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Ports feeling good right now imo

sharp gale
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It depends on what you want, I will not question on why you have a hero track shield 665, you want to push keys right now or long term

jagged gust
jade basalt
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Probably waiting on vault yeah

floral bronze
jagged gust
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depth wins outright in ST

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but nah overall secondaries are starting to scale real juicy like

slender bison
hardy snow
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Just kill Rik Reverb and get myth track shield chatting

slender bison
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How do we skip Mechagon last pack before last pack? Invis pots range is ok?

unborn island
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They work yes

slender bison
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Thanks

unborn island
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Is priest sufficient on its own?

slender bison
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All are humanoids, so soothe should work if you hug left side

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Wasn't sure about the range

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In BFA we did death runs to boss room, but now 2m30s death timer hurts

prisma echo
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tank can do death run and mass res i think

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didnt try it because it would 100% end in 5 deaths xD

slender bison
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Think everyone on the bridge will get combat, don't think so

wide charm
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2:30? It's half that, no?

slender bison
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In 12s you get 30s/kill

strong forum
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yeap pwar dead

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barely breaking 3mil

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with crit affix and skyfury+monk

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💀

slender bison
wide charm
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I swear that is only 15s per death... guile changes deaths from 5 to 15 not 5 to 30

strong forum
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ye didnt +3

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anlaki

thin cave
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is it correct that your base damage is way lower when using the custom apl to sim tome?

strong forum
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no

pallid quiver
unborn island
mint oasis
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Hello, is there a discord or guid to know what path use in mythic+? or it just by experience? thx

round pendant
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like, routes?

mint oasis
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yes

round pendant
mint oasis
small steeple
broken cove
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going into myth Bandit prog tonight - anything I should be aware of, compared to hc? any tips

slow forge
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Do we like mud trinket?

strong forum
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nah

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only for gallywix mythic cheese

small steeple
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mythic gally has a cheese already?

strong forum
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if you full absorb the tank mechanic, it doesnt refresh or apply stacks of ego check

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so you can reset stacks while still actively tanking

small steeple
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I imagine bdk is best at that then

slow forge
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Oh I figured it was good for bleeds and what not. I have it on my brew and it’s so good.