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Tanks have obviously more apm bc off gcds, regular standard spec is around ~60-55 (1 action per gcd)
aoe
You can leap it but your party needs some invis pots or soothe
yes i mentioned that
But it never means apm = hard bc IRON FUR or ignore pain etc increase a lot apms but….
anyway i just go radiant power cause there's defensive power in more stats > single stat
well, strenght
Yeah I go for depths bc raid and idc about my wep enchant tbh between the two best
dunno why i thought it was different stats
i assume we're at the point where secondaries start to overtake strength at times
My feral friend mastery started to overtake agi
yeah usually first season, strength is more valued
then as the expansion goes on, secondaries are slightly better until its overtaken
honestly most important damage in m+ is single target anyways, so wouldn't dpeths just be better? outside of not being slightly more tanky?
sure
it depends on your comp but yeah prio damage is good
i can agree with that
I'm curious what it's including in that APM chart because I think it's misleading. Those numbers are higher than they were last expansion, despite Blizzard making our APM lower. I'm assuming it's including things we don't actually press.
fire mage is the prio dmg dude of the meta comp obviously
Fire mage is both 😂
assuming things live for more than 5 globals
a pack live more than 45 sec usually that's why you sim 1min - 1min 30
Monk isn't capped though
is fist of fury or whatever not caped?
No
never played ww so no clue how it works
FoF, Whirling Dragon Punch, SCK, all are reduced beyond 5, but not capped.
yes it is, sck too is target capped
It's not
it is soft target cap, meaning you deal 0 more damage at certain targets numbers
Reduced beyond x targets doesn't mean it's capped. Most aoe spells are reduced beyond a certain number of targets. Fury literally hits 5 targets, period. That's capped.
yeah theres a difference
20+ targets is where that kicks in
That's not relevant
Pretty much every spec is affected by that softcap, except dot classes
I remember when unholy wasn't... i miss bfa unholy lmao
the difference is bigger between uncapped aoe and 5t soft capped than soft - hard capped
uhh
Idk what your terms mean. There is no uncapped aoe
yeah, aside from DoTs like I said earlier
yea
or starfall
Yeah, starfall is still susceptible to the 20 target thing though
or udk
Anyway, the point is that it's misleading to say monk is capped
because they aren't capped, unless almost every other spec is considered capped too
i think it's more personal thought on what beeing capped means, whatever dw ^^
Here's the full list if anyone wants to look; it should be at least mostly up to date. I'm not sure if anything was adjusted since they did the big sweep of it. https://www.wowhead.com/guide/shadowlands-target-capped-abilities-uncapped-capped-spells
a lot has been adjusted
This was updated as of May last year
yeah there's still some caps, specifically to us that were put in after
troar for example
im not sure if that's in it
No, it still links to dragon roar on this one
but at least it's in the tooltip; they're getting better at that, if not perfect
got mage to 80, still don't have 4 80s for campfire though 
Anyone else just trying out Colossus from Thane and realizing how awesome it is?
i can't find which will be the 4th (it's the mage currently but i'm not sure i want to mage)
They all are Happy
i still don't know what my main in raid is ( i restarted to play in S1)
@lusty grotto remember this name from back in the day? Now he's left behind 
Oh I have silly names but they are all the way down in the delve of nostalgia
Currywurst is one of them
I made up most of my names, but some definitely have more effort than others
I have the traditional French char named Jean-something for a wordplay (mine is Jeanbrasse bc brew and means I kiss)
My brewmaster is named Kegalicious, which I love, but sadly I do not love brewmaster.
Yeah that’s why I say it is all the way down, I liked brew in bfa
You can see how much I love warlock though
not really prot related but can you get Cyrce's Circlet to 658 on an alt immediately? Seems I am out of quests and its only 645
when you use the skip, it is 645 and you have 1 uphrade in you bag, so 649
you have to do the events to get it up
Nah it was like 638 or something, upgrade to 642 and then a quest upgrade to 645
now I'm out
you didn't skip the intro ?
I did ya
like get all the gems and then eventually those events will give me upgrade dealies?
then you have to do events to fill the bar
rare and contribution elites (those one also drops upgrades)
Oh, there's another weird gimmick ring this season huh
That fill the bar quest is from doing the actual quest line on the island no?
I don't have any remaining quests on the isle.
do I need the ring? Is it good?
replaced by others rings 662 -665 unless you love mastery
you can buy the gems on your main
they are warbound
you just need to do events to get the upgrade pieces
weekly quests also give it
iirc
Ok I just did like 3 more events and more quests popped up, I guess I either buy the gems on my main and mail them or just unlock them naturally and the quests will just come up as it goes
makes sense
It's so clean now
theres 2-3 vendors around that you can get different gems from on your main, and then just place them in the warbank
I hate that I can't thumbs up peoples comments when they are replying to me
were there just assholes in this discord abusing emojis? xd
Oh, because no reactions
I've been in here since Legion and they've never allowed reactions in that time
Nor global emojis (in this channel anyway)
I feel like people must have been trolling at some point and it got disabled as a result -- interesting
Yeah, I'm not really sure what the reason is. Knee-jerk thought would be avoiding passive aggressive emoji reactions but we're all pretty good about just telling people when they're pissing us off so XD
what is happening with gallywix aggro? Is this just a me problem? I was doing 200k more than the other tank and he spun to frontal their group
It's screwy if there is a significant damage difference between the tanks.
If you taunt just before the frontal and the other tank bursts really hard as soon as you taunt he might just get the frontal anyways.
Best for y'all to swap as soon as the frontal goes off
final boss aggro has been weird with some abilities this xpac istg
a log might help
ive been wondering if its related to not being in melee range
but anyway a log might tell us more
we didnt have issues last night
but tanks were communicating when they were disarming
I don't think we are logging, we haven't started prog on gally yet and were just giving it a peek in a 10 man to see what the first phase was like
It's very strange because I had issues on first pull, then second pull dh couldn't pull threat off me, then it was fine on the next 3 pulls
Saw another log of that in another server; couldn't figure it out
Does he not move in that fight?
I haven't seen/done it
p1 no
Nim might be on to something with the melee range then
you mean those logs where the first taunt didn't pull aggro then boss flip flopped targets
On Ansurak it always seemed to happen when the boss was being repositioned between feast and devour, I always suspected this
u cant do the questline for the upgrade on alts?
or is doing the events just faster
Guys if i did all 12
and did quest
if i delete key and ask panda girl
will i get random 12?
so i can randomly farm till i get one i need?
You cant delete your key
You can't delete keys anymore
You haven't been able to for like, 2 expansions, or almost two expansions
right
hectic add cleave or dungeon slice for simming aoe/M+ prot dps?
Neither. Just sim ST generally. You can sim multiple targets patchwerk if you feel the need to sim aoe
ok cool, ty
If you are beating him by 200k or more in dps, take the boss first.
When he taunts, go hunt down both duds and then get back to the boss and taunt and reposition for your group.
This way the damager difference disappears.
Now, your parse won't look good. But it will solve the problem. And doing both duds makes it easier for the other tank.
What’s the best defensive to use on Sludge claws
Just shieldwall and spell reflect each one.
Block and IP of course
Oh we can reflect it? Noice
No, but it does give magic dr
Ah nice.
can do both really
spell block
see the pins for sheet on blockable/reflectable/spellblockable stuff
Ty ty
now the fun part, figuring out what to do on a fresh return from the game 
potentially stupid question but figured y'all would know - if i craft a 2h, will i get free upgrades for 1h AND the shield up to that level, or just the 1h?
sick ty ty
and relog back in
Is there an easy way to know whether the damage you are taking at any given moment is physical or magical or both? noob tank question, sometimes I wonder if I'm wasting spell block/reflect if the attack is really only physical
Not reeeeaaallly, it tells you in the combat log but you’re not really reading that in real time
You kind of just have to do it by learning in advance or assuming based on the vibes of the ability
Bleeds, melee attacks, and anything shot from a gun/bow are almost always physical. Anything with a cast time can be reasonably assumed to be a magic spell, especially if it's interruptible.
I wouldn't really worry about wasting spell reflection though; it's such a short CD that unless you should've been using it on a tankbuster, it's not going to hurt anything
okay thank you guys! that's a good tip about the guns/bows wasn't sure on that one, e.g. the sharpshooters in priory
awesome thanks
relatedly, I've been wondering if any other tank classes have to maintain a spreadsheet to know whether their core defensive abilities will work on a given attack/ability, or if it's just us
DK with AMS
well kind of
for the other tanks
but its not as important
but yeah AMS is def one
druids benefit from knowing if magical damage too
its so satisfying
heart of the wild, etc
if bitter immunity were a 2 min cd, would it be worth taking?
eeeeeh
if it got bleeds like in tww ptr maybe
i feel like a reduced cd would give us more utility which we kinda need
thats not really utility
A self heal is kind of whatever when we already have one on a very short CD. Its "utility" would then become the status effect removals, which generally just aren't good unless it's something that another ability can't remove (e.g. bleeds).
im just trying to think of some low-hanging fruit for blizzard. prot war can't always be top dps, so just wondering what utility would balance things out a bit more.
blizz will never give prot warr any more utility most warrior players want nothing to do with helping others whatsoever
prot warr players - maybe - but the dps ones don't want anything other than zug zug
they literally say it
Never say never; we've had more utility in the past, so stands to reason we may have more in the future. I think people tend to get too hung up on utility past a certain point though, and folks act like we have 0 or something
i think it could be as simple as buffing intercept to work more like 'guard' in other games. intercepts all attacks on ally insetad of just 1
yeah but we also were never training wheels tank which we now are
i dont consider a self dispel "utility"
that gives absolutely nothing to the group
and dwarves already have it
it needs to remove bleeds, still not utility, to be "maybe" worth it
the cd doesnt matter
we've had proper "utility" before
safeguard, gag order
just put those back
We had Safeguard before, Gag Order was a thing at one point, Warbringer was OP as fuck good
oh ya, safeguard looks cool, they should've never removed that
I love Lilian Voss; she's so hardcore lol
wtf is gag order
made it so heroic throw was an interrupt
HUH
It was a glyph, back when glyphs were meaningful things in the game
cool now can we please get rid of the range restriction on heroic throw
please
take it off charge too idc
Why do you need to heroic throw from 2 feet away?
its more like from 3 feet away
sometimes im dodging a swirly for more than a single global cooldown just annoyingly out of melee range
and i want to do my 0.000000001% extra dps
or sometimes taunt is off cd and i cant reach all the way over there to melee something
even if its not practically useful almost ever
paladins can point blank hammer throw
dh can point blank throw glaive (better move btw)
why cant i point blank heroic throw
i can shield charge at point blank range
i cant charge at point blank range
explain that one funny man
why cant i charge.
theres 0 point
I mean, from a why the fuck not standpoint, sure. I just can't see myself ever caring enough one way or another
from a body dynamics point of view.
what with floodgate group wanting me to skip bubbles mini boss how do i even do that
we're talking about useful tools and you're making a weird request that makes no difference
seems odd given the context
dont care
I kinda like that charge has a minimum range though, to be fair. It means I can actually use it for movement in addition to rage, instead of being forced to use it as a button that just gives me rage
why cant i?
you can, we're just not discussing these
Heroic throw would not change my life in the slightest. If they asked us to vote, I'd vote to remove the min range
yea and if we had gag order back heroic throw having a range limitation would be rly fucking annoying
Because there really is no reason for it to have a minimum range; I agree
so why not get rid of it
no
it would be balanced
balanced against what? pally who does the same thing without range restriction
you shouldnt be able to fucking silence shit with heroic throw at melee range
you use kick and disrupting for that
don't be ridiculous
gag order is useful cause you can pull casters instead of hugging LoS
also I was misinformed earlier; it was a talent, not a glyph, though I think I'm getting mandela effected there. I would've sworn it was a glyph
so what im gathering is
you didnt gather anything
gag order isnt in the game, and there is no reason for heroic throw to have a range restriction
youre missing the point
next
well, look at it from blizzard's perspective
why does heroic throw have a minimum range is the question
There's no reason to remove the min range, so why would they? It's just a chance to possibly introduce a new bug or something
so I get why it still has one
it hits for fucking nothing, why does it matter if it has a min range
why does it matter if it doesnt
youre still not gonna press it
but ill rest easy knowing that i could
good
absolute idiot
Enjoy your sleepless nights
genuinely keeps me up at night
What should I get for dinner
Suffer
i do
I’m eating Kraft Mac rn
lasagna?
"this guy doesnt get it we have to keep the minimum range on heroic throw because....... we just have to ok"
impeccable argumentative skill
ok but why would you ping him when he said he was done with the conversation x_x
oh lol; the new theme thing is messing with me
It's different even for me; I've had it and I'm even using the same theme
i like new theme tbh
I can barely see the highlight of a ping now
they lightened it or changed the opacity or something
its def lighter
Yeah, like if you're in voice, it can put names and/or icons over the game
I use it all the time
had to turn it off because its so much worse
worse how?
I like the new look of it also
1 when u actually open it up its just. cluttered and messy instead of being discord but in-game
2 the voice overlay just has less people? the old one showed me my entire 25 man raid team
new one limited it to like, 8
can't you just turn on the legacy one or something
i never use legacy options because they'll just be taken from me eventually
id rather get over not having it now
How do u guys not struggle with big momma in floodgate? I did it on a 12 and was perma brink of death
are u using spell block
im not but some ppl do
settle down chip
the min range is to stop you from pressing it when you could press literally anything else and be better off
theres still a deadzone where u cant melee but cant throw either
skill issue
true
(thunder clap)
so true..
does revenge actually reach that far forward
jade lighting has no such restriction
same deal..
lol
and that 1 is even worse than heroic throw
yeah but if u hard channel jade lightning in melee u will prob die from messing up ur energy economy
exactly!
so ur gonna press literally anything else
but they arent STOPPING u from doing it arbitrarily
This is like saying why can't I press shield slam outside of melee range
like you won't press it outside of melee range but at least they aren't arbitrarily preventing you from doing it
no it just wouldn't hit in this scenario
point is the restrictions are there to guide your gameplay
you should not using heroic throw at point blank
theres a very clear disconnect in logic here
i would not be pressing heroic throw at point blank if i could
i simply think i should be allowed to
also isn't jade lightning used by windwalker for big dam?
not by brm
its prob based on (as a lot of warrior spells are rooted in) rhe fact that in dnd you cant use ranged abilities in melee wihout havig disadvantage
also not until like really recently
it was fairly worthless for everyone until lately
maybe mistweaver exception idk
capacitor has been there since legion in some form
well if they give arms/fury heroic throw + a talent that makes it do fat damage
I'd advocate removing the min range
otherwise idfc
capacitor was in sl? damn
just wasnt very good
im gonna be real i didnt care until chip got very angry at it
then i had to care because of principle
so now this is an opinion i have
galactic guardian style talent for heroic throw
wasnt there some shitty talent that did that
it made u throw multiple throws but had a cd
or smth
titanic throw made it aoe
i couldve SWORN there was a multi throw at some point
maybe im getting confused w/ divine toll
it was removed in tww
guys
u realize that half of this game doesn’t work
and ur confused why there’s a min range on a spell?
this entire game was built on vibe coding
im not confused im shocked and appalled
when blizz literally doesnt test their buggy ass patches and pushes them live? i sleep
when heroic throw have 8 yd range requirement?
real shit
i mean ur lucky we’re not in vdhs position
Or bear
demolish wouldn’t generate any threat 
Bear tierset doesn't work for half it's shit
damn what does vdh do that doesnt generate threat 😭
And can ninja pull
or we would randomly exit out of dstance
reavers glaive
aldrachi reaver i SLEEP
which isn’t as egregious as demolish not
For no reason, but that's gamewide
weird
the hero talents whole gimmick
isnt this just u accidentally targeting smth else?
it would be like if thunder blast didn’t generate agro ig
cuz i got an addon to disable clicking on things to target em in combat
sof threat bug icant
No
It's literally a bug currently
wild
Extremely noticeable on casters
As melee not cuz every button we press force-targets
Game is buggiest it’s ever been in my opinion
Plus my game freezes for 1-20 seconds
And just crashes
this is a details problem innit
i changed details and it hasnt happened since
I increased the refresh to like .5 seconds
Should I increase it more
I thought it may of been details
i mean that should be much better than the default which is like .05
Hmmm
i set mine to like 1 but u should be fine at .5
Ok I’ll go to 1 maybe will solve
Yeah I’m increasing it either way
I may even uninstall it for a while see if that helps just to see if it is the issue.
I’ll go back to recount lol
Kinda what happens when you fire all of your QA
Yep really feels like they almost need to like have an entire patch dedicated to bugs or something
Like I know the playerbase would hate it
But it’s all snowballing
is circlet not good for prot?
any good spell reflect WA for prot?
It's as good as a 658 ring, 665 with good stats will beat it
Not rly since 90%+ spells are not reflectable
Sr is almost exclusively used for the magic dmg reduction instead of actually reflecting
the 658 haste/vers ring out sims it o.I
I ditched it and never looked back
what do you get rid of to take Disrupting shout in an m+ build
I swapped thunderlord, but just wondering if there might be a better option
Show of Force
so gear question...is everforged defender better to have than titan of industry?
does it have higher ilvl?
well when i craft it, yes it will
then you have your answer
i just look...at wowhead and BiS says titan but i look at some of the higher geared warrior tanks in m+ high keys and they have the defender so
youre the best
yeah because ilvl matters on a shield, a lot
there's probably single digit amount of people who have a myth titan of industry
yeah mine ain't that lol
I've been doing Mountain Thane in raid for every boss and honestly it doesn't feel bad.
MT is pretty well tied with colo in pure ST
dps wise, plus plays easier, honestly not a bad call
I thought I was gonna love colo because of BEEEG DAMAGE, but it feels hells awkward to use at times.
My favorite part is the mechanics that violate its "you cannot be forcibly moved" clause
Is that because of block value?
Yes also heroic titan of industry doesn’t out dps a crafted/myth track shield
Good to know. i always heard shield ilevel was important and I figured it was because of block, but I was never certain.
Man healers are something else in this game
Go for a 12 priory on my alt monk
Bro barely heals me more than the dps and cries about how the pull I did “never works”….
I like how much he healed that warrior 
need some more context. Also this is the warrior theorycrafting server. The channel for protection warrior (warrior tank spec). You are showing brewmaster. Did you mean to post that in peak of serenity?
I don't think the concept is specific to prot warriors but yea technically..
did you do a giga pull at the start with lust?
If so, TBH, the group needs the healing as much as the tank due to numerous sharpshooters
well the overheal % is high, so the warrior must not be taking as much damage compared to the other players right ?
more importantly who is doodlebob?
My brother in Christ I'm just whinging about healers
It's not supposed to be analyzed that hard lol
this is the warrior theorycrafting server. The channel for protection warrior (warrior tank spec). You are showing brewmaster(monk tank spec). Did you mean to post that in peak of serenity?
need some more context. Also this is the warrior theorycrafting server. The channel for protection warrior (warrior tank spec). You are showing brewmaster. Did you mean to post that in peak of serenity?
4 packs into the mini boss with lust
did you know that you are also showing an arms warrior(DPS warrior spec)? this is the protection warrior channel (warrior tank spec).
did you mean to post that in the arms warrior theory crafting channel?
Monks wear leather and are automatically excluded from the tank category. Go put on some real armor.
Yes.
I am not healing this season, just tanking, so I am unsure how brutal it is for them...
But I assume that's 1 disrupting shout (can spell lock your casters including the healer) and thunderclap to deal with as the healer on top of the sharpshooters--- even with lust I feel like some dps will just get randomly clapped if thy aren't prio-ing the sharpshooters
So like... the pull isn't bad, but probably not safe for pugs
did bro think spikes and sigil of flame was going to mitigate a cast
technically
tech nich ally
8% magic dr
from fel flame
Should've equiped frost res gear.
wait it affects bosses?
(no point call out how i mainly open with brand to start doing dam)
for calcified
Idk this was a pug and it went fine https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p9BfQ8mZb1DAgaw2?fight=64&type=damage-done
i know aldrachi has some defensiveness built into
doing the combo
or something
which really just is cleave into fracture st
and ig reverse if more than one
👍
isnt this less dam on st
Yea some pugs are just better than others-- the variance is why, generally, you just choose to do safer things to avoid bricking keys with mid players
Again, the pull sounds fine just risky with randos
You can see in that log that you only took a little more healing than the party as well there
The group dmg taken is just high---
Most importantly, you can see 2 sharpshooters died FIRST (by 50 secs into the pull)
Key difference is that is also on my warrior
warrior should need very little healing tbh
If you wanna do it again on your monk I'd say just tell the group to focus the sharpshooters
If they focus them, toss CCs into them, actually use their defensives, etc --- pull should be fine
Easiest way to force a group to kick is to put SR.
I've proved it, say "I am reflecting" instantly 4 out of 5 kicks go out.
Celestial fortune 4th 
i got 2 pairs of bracers.. one with leech and one with a socket.. which would you use?
Prob socket for me
socket is +2% movespeed unless you've already managed to replace cyrces
Well.. Thunderlcap.
Question likely asked more than a few times. Can I replace Circlet with ANY hero ring or is it certain ones. I have
sim
will answer all your questions
also make sure you have enough haste for itf, tho
Whats the consensus between mtn thane and collosus?
both r fine. colossus is still more dmg in aoe .. for m+ you should aim to play colossus
Feels more squishy, is that just for damage in M+ or both survv. and damage?
its not about IP spam like MT, adapt to the playstyle and u arent more squishy. the top warrior keys are tanked as colossus
Whats it working with well then to work around exactly? Currently doing 7s at 648 with zero issues in anyway and between 1.1-1.5M dps, obviouisly lower keys but yeah
1st: you dont spend much rage in IP. feed your IP with dmg, reset the duration with outburst, send as much revenge into the packs as possible
tbh you can double your dps almost
So WA to track seeing red and make sure its used on IP?
the aim is trying to avoid to spend to much rage in IP, thats some kind of old habbit from MT
you are rage starving this way very fast
and then Colossus is becoming klunky
g2g now, breakfest and fam is calling 😉 just play keys and learn .. you will see that colossus is much fun and big dam, and definitly not squishy
u have to think about rage now
i need warrior brain philosophy
if im setting up vdh keybinds to be ROUGHLY equivalent to warrior keybinds
meta goes on the shield wall button, demon spikes goes on the shield block button
where does fiery brand go tho
the ignore pain button??
Sooo using Blood surge over enduring defense, so much rage that with leech and IP I had 550k HPS and this was damage
hiho, short question whats better thunder or demolish prot? dmg and def ?
Is funhouse lens or mechano core amplifier better? Same ilvl
Siiim it
Demolish more damage. Thunder? More def
Spikes on shield block I guess, I would put meta on avatar keybind / which is R on every char - Ult keybind bc LoL
good opinion
avatar keybind is R on every char
except i picked this arbitrarily
Yeah I mean THE CD of every specs
yup
It is always on the same keybind
R is my big cd, and E is maintenance defensives on tanks or small cds on dps
Like combust, recklessness
shield block on prot, reck on fury
well fury has avatar now so it goes on R
not reck
Q and E are very often buttons so yeah maintenance on tanks
Rampage for fury on Q and ww on E as example
all my rotational abilities are on my mouse buttons regardless of class
i save keyboard for buffs n defensives and etc
Ah I got only 2 side buttons
problem im having is
compared to prot war
veng has less dedicated defensives, NO offensive cooldowns, and a fuckton of misc "take a bit less damage, do a bit more damage, maybe a bit of both :3" buttons
and theres no parity
so idk where to put em without it feeling wrong somehow
like everywhere i put fiery brand feels wrong. its a defensive, so it should go on like, Q, or 1/2/3, or something
but its also a damage cooldown so it could validly go on R
but its also just a targeted attack it could validly be on a mouse button
Fiery brand is like 45 sec or smth cd def ?
30 - 45 cd is always on shift Q or E for me
I would maybe see it as shield charge if it is not really a huge def cd but I think it’s like 30 or 40% dr no ?
I would put it on the ravager or roar button tbh, I know it spread too with a m+ talent
Shift Q is roar
problem with that
the roar button goes to the hunt, and the rava button goes to sigil of spite (ground targeted cooldown)
Avatar is the ultimate of pwar it has to go on R
Sorry shift q is dwarf racial
R has notoriously been my execute ability to be fair
But I changed it up
Maybe X then, or C (C is movement abilities for me so I was not considering it)
Execute is 4 for me
I'm just adding to the chaos ignore me.
Try that
That's how I started setting stuff up
Belluar did a kind of generic keybinds for all characters
Ctrl is banned personnally
X is a special case
Ctrl banned. Crazyness
i need both an @ cursor and an @ player macro for infernal strike
Alt is with mouse buttons only bc weird hand pressing other keyboard buttons with alt for me
and i have no good place to put an @ player infernal strike
so i threw it on X
cuz it was an open button
X is normally spell reflect
X I have bound to something I can't remember what I'm on hols but I miss not having X to unsheath weapons
I almost want to find a bind for it
just unsheathe w/ clap
I never use @ player I can’t help
use @ cursor macro to dps w/ infernal strike
accidentally click 1 pixel behind ur character
ur now facing away and instantly die
no bueno
What do you mean like thunderclap and I unsheath lol
thunderclap unsheathes ur weapons yes
heres a REAL moral question @sharp gale
my prot war taunt button is V
my demon hunter glide button is V
which has to go
Taunt not on mouse is mad
Isn’t glide space bar / when you jump ?
yes but
its not optimal speed
optimal speed is single jump -> glide
which requires glide bound
Glide can't be your taunt that's asking for trouble surely
YEA IT IS
but also i dont wanna move taunt off V, i have no open mouse buttons without moving other shit
If you're setting up the vdh then glide goes elsewhere
and i dont wanna move glide off V because its very easy to roll ur thumb from space to V
for optimal jump gliding
and it cant go on C or B
I have taunt on F, for oh FUCK
F is fucking heal me personally
Yeah it’s special but you will use it as combo with space bar if I understand
Never out of it so fuck binding it
Oh that shift E, for when I have to shift into dEfensive stance
Ah fair
It can’t be V, I imagine it weird to press space bar with thumb and immidiately V
For arms it's bound to IP
why not shift space for glide?
Shift space bar ?
Je suis gnome
hon hon hon
Off to swim cyaaa
too much space mashing
i tried, its not comfy
buttttttt
its the next best option
oh, i remember the real problem now
sooooo u ever try to do ur dps rotation while jumping? and u have stuff on a shift modifier key?
having anything bound to shift space FUCKS that up
Yeah that’s what I’m thinking bc you would explode space + shift space bar repeatedly, it will be same weird as space bar + V
i had to outlaw shift space while on 2nd boss of last raid
because u have to jump the gaps
imagine having all your heals bound to the alt key while trying to tab between targets /sigh
and id lose so many inputs to having to dps and press space
whats alt have to do w/ tab
alt+tab switches between any open apps, like switching from wow to firefox mid pull
The thumb is really not the fastest finger yeah
OH
lmaooo
you know i used to have alt as a modifier key too
but my side mouse buttons r bound to the f keys
im sure u can guess
what happened
i was in a voice call when it happened i just had to own up to it
💔
and like, i really want to change what my side mouse keys r bound to cuz having alt modifiers would be nice
but also theres no other easily recognizable + bindable set of 12 keys on the keyboard
other than f1-f12
no, but some games dont consider the numpad and number row to be legally distinct
it was inconvenient
I had a lot of issues with alt shift too (it’s changes the virtual keyboard if you have multiple ones)
はい
Imagine the keyboard changing like this so half binds doesn’t work
just took the training wheels off and swapped from heavy repercussions to into the fray. is 85% shield block uptime good or am i messing something up? I definitely felt a few times where I didn't have a charge of shield block ready when I never felt that with into the fray
M+ and 15,245
ur a bit low for itf
its not training wheels, its recommended
get to like 17,000 i think
archon is stinky
just use wowhead? or icy-veins?
you know i say this but i logged on to double check myself
sounds good. tysm
i use itf and im at 15,661
4P really helps to close the SB uptime gap
so it miiiiight be a skill issue that needs diagnosing
4pc helps a lot, knowing when NOT to press sb helps a lot
very possible but fwiw im 15k haste with a flask on i just realized. I also dont have either 2 or 4 set
yeah I was trying to avoid pressing it when mobs were casting or a boss was doing bullshit
ah
no 4set is whats killing u
ur losing out on free casts of shield block, basically
4p helps but it needs to proc or you just have 15k haste with itf
Yeah it's only 1ppm, so you can get unlucky depending on when it decides to proc
how does ppm even work
like if u get a proc will u be throttled from getting another one
for a little while
fyralath legendary drop rate
i appreciate the insight everyone. I will assume it's partially a skill issue at the very least
tbh
i wouldnt assume so yet
run HR until u get 4pc
then swap to ITF
see what happens
My quick guess is a roll each tick and every min of 0 proc, the proc is forced
nah, just a lack of haste, 15k with flask and no 4p is just too little haste for full uptime
outside of haste affix week
cast timer? gross
cant u block during it?
You can execute or demolish it
also wrecking throw has no cast timer
and does the same thing without the immunity purge
right?
have to check now
yeah you right
Isn’t that talent cost 2 points because you have to take the mass fear ?
it costs 2 points cuz we dont take honed reflexes
you lose intervene and bounding stride or something for it
Yeah I misplaced in my mind where shattering throw was
yeah I was wrong, it has to be from the next tier of talents, so rumbling earth/crackling thunder if you want to keep rally
i dont remember the last time i pressed rally in a dungeon
ngl
rumbling earth so much more useful than rally
same w crackling thunder
I rally almost on cd
I play without bounding stride
Yeah I chose crackling over bounding stride
You have to chose 2 between crackling - bounding stride or rumbling
if your colossus
u dont take crackling
its not worth it
and i take rumbling and bounding

and rally
Maybe I should talent out of crackling now that I’m more confident as col
But I did so many keys without bounding there is so few instances where I was damn the leap cd fucked me
drop intervene, drop rally
You are saying it just to be special Mwahi we know it
Tbh not a bad thought
but idc about crackling
i dont think ive had a single case of "damn i wish i had crackling for this pull"
id sooner take wrecking
Hi Guys. may i ask when do we swap into ibattle stance ?? i m basically almsot all dungeon in Deff Stance ending up only doing like 1.8-2m dps in my keys. Do you swap on Cds like Avatar and Demolish ? or do you have like a thumb number if my mitigation is up and im aboe 80% health go battle stance or something ?
But crackling is weak talent as col it’s just for fucking bandaid fix me the aggro on pull
u can safely take battle stance off ur keyboard if u wanted
So without intervene, which talent would you take but not crackling ?
rumbling
I wouldn't say crackling is weak. It helps facilitate the lack of UF and makes gathering packs/spreading Rend way easier.
I take already rumbling and bounding stride in this example
Maybe intimidating shout
nop
what did i drop intervene for actually lol
where is that point rn
uhhhhhhhhh
Overall dps depends heavily on pulls/dungeons and also on how you actually play the class.
30 rage
So you don’t press revenge enough ????
no i press revenge 4 times without getting a ss reset and starve
Logic, your gambling addiction is screaming it will be fixed with the 5th
whats the 5th
5th revenge
true
idk we take overwhelming rage for raid and i like having the same rage bar at all times
With 30 more rage you can spin the SS reset wheel one more time
it just is comfier
i dont like seeing my rage bar go up/down faster than it should
makes me feel financially unstable
constantly at risk of bankruptcy
i like being allowed to pool rage in times of plenty
Well to be more precise I rage dump if I SS or TC at 70-80
yea i do the same thing except at 100-110
except then because im pooled slightly higher i have to mental stack my shield block timer slightly less
i can dump with ignore pain, not realize im supposed to press shield block immediately after, press it, and still have some revenge in the tank
if i make that mistake without overwhelming rage im FUCKED
Your not
The reality is we gen less rage now
So u dont ever really get close to overcapping
Well thats what i find at least
Tbh I just press shield block on cd kinda
i press shield block either when its about to tick up to 2 charges, or to prevent overcapping if i already have a healthy ignore pain up
seems to help w/ uptime if i do it that way
Does it help ? I think it stack 3 time the duration anyway
if u do it my way theres a higher chance that you'll tick up to 2 charges during downtime instead of just having shield block rolling for no reason
which is good for uptime
Yeah I don’t refresh/restack SB when the pack will soon die
About the only time I have problems with SB uptime is if I don't feel like pressing CDs or the boss is at 2% HP and I just wanna pump out a few more executes
i still rage starve the second i press even a single execute
i have not figured out the solution to this problem
the solution may just be switch to vdh
I bet you could easily adjust nomer's WA to suit you
grey out exe outside of conditions
I just execute -> shield slam reset? -> can I revenge ? -> clap -> shield slam reset ?
heres what happens
i shield slam and clap to pool rage
i execute
i execute
im starved
gg
no resets
Yeah if you use tc you will be gcd lock
Just send not full rage executes and trust the Mud God for SS resets
so am i not supposed to tc on cd in exe phase?
and save it for when i starve?
I don’t (and I don’t know)
That’s my prio in execute : SS > execute > revenge > clap, idk a little bit it is so rare in m+
And yes if I feel im threatened I just don’t execute, I just do normal rotation
Above 60 rage SS > Exe > TC, below 60 rage SS > TC > Revenge, that's the jist of my priorities
i can try that
Yeah it’s more, just don’t execute at all even if you can sometime
but big dam
it is very very rare that i don't execute, it's more like on some specific m+ bosses AND specific timings mostly, i can't tell which one x)
How do I know if I have enough ignore pain?
you live
Hey o/
I alt tank with a warrior and got 3 sparks atm. I'm seeing people crafting wrists + cloack or wrists + shield with lining, other ascendance on weapon and and nerubian boost on another piece. Since it's an alt maybe going to +12 max (655ilvl, doing 10s-11s atm), what's the "long run" crafts to do? (got hero shield an weapon atm at 658)
i'd still probably make shield and weapon first
nothing else is going to be nearly as impactful
Yeah, if you're thinking long run just make sure you get those, everything else you'll have the sparks to make once you have the crests
Obvs don't if you've got mythic from vault, but yeah
You still end up saving the crests even if you do as you save 60 upgrading the vault item
whats more impactful shield or weap for prot?
two different things
shield makes you tankier, sword is the best bang for your buck DPS wise
I take shield first at start of season
When people don't know the dungeons being able to turtle more effectively is probably a better thing if you pug
Although DPS also important
Do you have a link please?
Not sure if this is what you mean but you can make a weak aura bar that gives you its value and a count down.
I have mine giving me a sound count down from 5 and a ping at 1 when it's going to drop off.
Gets a bit spammy but find it helpful
Shield 1st
Crafted wrists are your bis but not a priority to craft
its more i dont really understand how the spell works tbh
I believe they changed it relatively recently to display stacks relative to what percent of max it's at
It is an absorb
That let 50% of the damage go through
I always forget if IP is before or after block
The amount doesn’t really matter it is more having ignore pain up than having it full
After
my only source being I definitely remember a couple tank busters in raid moving my IP by like 1% cuz of a crit block
I thought it was that way, because it also makes more sense from a "description" pov, but I'm always paranoid about assuming that blizzard does things in a way that's least beneficial, exactly because of examples like that 😅
does it matter which 1h i craft? and what should i put on it?
weapon type doesnt matter, as long as it actually is a strength weapon
and what to put on it, most popular is ascendance
Aye, I know the classic "sim it". Always felt weird simming prot stuff though. I don't know how to judge "will this help me not get my face cleaved off"
Blizzard made sure every stats on tanks have their defensive utility, except haste on brew bc they suck
what a week dude, made 1M gold selling items i won in raid and just got mugzees fist weapon
btw what wep enchat are u guys using for m+? on archon.gg theyre using depths but isnt that a ST enchant?
Im stuck with the 665 shield from ML. Waiting on M+ vault rest of the season now for upgrade?
Ports feeling good right now imo
It depends on what you want, I will not question on why you have a hero track shield 665, you want to push keys right now or long term
guile is the best overall between ST+aoe for me currently, but it's competing with haste as well
Probably waiting on vault yeah
huh fr? isnt radiant power or depths just better than the flat stat increase enchants?
depth wins outright in ST
but nah overall secondaries are starting to scale real juicy like
Spamming 12s right now. But things start to feel itchy 
Just kill Rik Reverb and get myth track shield 
How do we skip Mechagon last pack before last pack? Invis pots range is ok?
They work yes
warlock/priest or invis
Thanks
Is priest sufficient on its own?
All are humanoids, so soothe should work if you hug left side
Wasn't sure about the range
In BFA we did death runs to boss room, but now 2m30s death timer hurts
tank can do death run and mass res i think
didnt try it because it would 100% end in 5 deaths xD
Think everyone on the bridge will get combat, don't think so
2:30? It's half that, no?
In 12s you get 30s/kill
I see you hired some paid actors to make you look A tier, eh?
I swear that is only 15s per death... guile changes deaths from 5 to 15 not 5 to 30
is it correct that your base damage is way lower when using the custom apl to sim tome?
no
this is my sim with the pinned custom-apl https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6MxgrYxgKXDHgPSHykB4iU
and this is without:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/baRvd1eNjX5Am7CD4pyTsU
Should just delete char at this point
It's 15 isn't it?
Hello, is there a discord or guid to know what path use in mythic+? or it just by experience? thx
like, routes?
yes
You can check out https://keystone.guru/
thx 🙂
Total D-Tier
going into myth Bandit prog tonight - anything I should be aware of, compared to hc? any tips
Do we like mud trinket?
mythic gally has a cheese already?
if you full absorb the tank mechanic, it doesnt refresh or apply stacks of ego check
so you can reset stacks while still actively tanking
I imagine bdk is best at that then
Oh I figured it was good for bleeds and what not. I have it on my brew and it’s so good.

