Yea, was targeting players Group, joining and begging for loot spec change
#protection
lusty grotto
meh
it'll drop eventually
im not in any hurry, even though i complain about not having it
slender bison
Unless you get it from weekly chest
lusty grotto
would rather do other things like keep playing monster hunter lmao
sharp gale
Im checking Tome is 10% of my dps in raid, almost 100k dps just the damage proc wtf
round cliff
wait u just kill both peacekeepers?
lusty grotto
on a body pull mongo land run i get all 3
you can reflect
does 1 tick of damage
🙂
slender bison
That shield reflect on their charged shield feels good ngl
lusty grotto
really bad reflect damage tbh but
just showing it out
getting into the echo blade frontal is aids cause i must be blind, i never see whos getting it
sharp gale
It is not shadowflame slash kind of reflects
icy flax
How is reflecting last boss autos damage wise
sharp gale
Tbh just the sound feels good
icy flax
Is that the 26m
lusty grotto
yeye
icy flax
Decent
round cliff
i wish ppl were brave enough for the double mastermind pull right after 2nd boss
thats real efficient count
slender bison
You need druid silence, no?
round cliff
no u need to be a gamer and dodge swirlies
slender bison
Damn, need to rework ML route if I'm gonna attempt a 12
Today is Rookery/Priory 11 day
round cliff
im abt to just give up being smart and follow the weekly route
slender bison
Any advice for 2nd rookery boss? PUGs keep dying with the curse
round cliff
curse is literally braindead mechanic idk how to help them
slender bison
(advice i.e. cheese)
lusty grotto
masterminds are so easy this time around
you used to avoid them like the plague in BFA
slender bison
Can you BL in Rookery boss platform 2 packs of lightning dudes or will everyone just die?
lusty grotto
Any advice for 2nd rookery boss? PUGs keep dying with the curse
get on their asses
just take note of who gets what, its 4 jumps
you can totally drive the curse around
and hand hold them
round cliff
so what let it naturally spread to 2 people, take the 3rd, taxi it to a 4th?
idiot proof
slender bison
Yea, usually I tell'em to come to me and run away, I'll try to be more active
Lots of boss fights this season require the tank to be afk for some reason
jagged gust
so what let it naturally spread to 2 people, take the 3rd, taxi it to a 4th?
you want the 4th one on you i believe? so the dot doesn't overlap with the aoe phase on a squishy
round cliff
healer problem
jagged gust
slender bison
Guys remember to go on the forum and vote for your S3 dungeon (Cinderbrew)
City of Threads voters should go to jail of course
lusty grotto
gonna vote for priory for another tome season, don't @ me c:
slender bison
Don't worry you'll get a better trinket from Seat of Triumvirate 
lusty grotto
fucking ara-kara, i hate it
so overplayed
but at least it also has a decent trinket
slender bison
Took a while to get rid of the "Void take you all" line after farming it
mortal cypress
City of Threads voters should go to jail of course
I voted for city of threads because I love exciting mysteries
jagged gust
Bring back SV imo
slender bison
I voted for city of threads because I love exciting mysteries
You're just living in Suramar nostalgia
slender bison
Bring back SV imo
Who doesn't like charging dwarves and smash rock
SV is kinda L comparing to Uldaman:Tyr
round cliff
Guys remember to go on the forum and vote for your S3 dungeon (Cinderbrew)
ima vote for dawnbreaker
:3
i like flying
mortal cypress
i like flying
ive done HC on alts where people still die on that lmao
jagged gust
Ulda is a fine dungeon, excluding every single boss and most pulls
holy hell I hated every inch of that place
slender bison
Uldaman crocolisks bleed hit different
lusty grotto
that pull is comfy
mortal cypress
on eu, ara-kara was the most popular....i picked rookery as I mostly play fury and the mechanics are clear (2nd boss is a bit ass for melee)
slender bison
also with treemouth
Yeah, now I remember. It was fun because you could do some beefy pulls and zug away
lusty grotto
i wasnt joking btw
i voted for priory 🙂
also to spite ADK
😎
ill probably regret that decision as i get bored of it though
slender bison
Dawnbreaker was basically fast quick vault last season
restive oak
is it more which you dislike least question?
restive oak
dont particarly like them either
slender bison
is it more which you dislike least question?
Place the ballot in the box or you get a Throne of the Tides again
restive oak
throne of tides was better than it couldve been :x
lusty grotto
oof
slender bison
Hello, Human resources?
slender bison
The corridor ink trash pull was a horror show
They rushed it for DF S3
Reworking what they could
errant spire
felt very similar to grim batol
lusty grotto
grim batol was well done tbh
slender bison
errant spire
it was also like, 2 key levels harder than mists/ak/db
errant spire
tott? I feel like vp mightve been worse
errant spire
lusty grotto
good lord i hope they never put it in again
also grimrail was kinda dogshit too
but it wasnt vortex bad
slender bison
VP was probably the dungeon that triggered DPS to learn to interrupt else you couldn't physically finish it.
lusty grotto
its not that
slender bison
DF S1/S2 is a learning curve for zug-zuggers to learn to kick
lusty grotto
the pacing was just fucking terrible on it
press W, pulls didnt align with anything
errant spire
the dungeon where I learned to interrupt as a dps was NW in SL S1
rancid tiger
this is NA
Floodgate and meadery fucks
slender bison
Yea, the initial vortex/storm mobs pulls were terrible, then you had the guys with the lightning zones. It felt sluggish, too technical
warm plinth
Oh yeah it's easily the worst remake
slender bison
Yeah, but Seat is 10 years ago. It's out of date to compare it. BFA had the best dungeons when they started to understand how M+ should work
They'll re-tune it for S3
Of course, they need to add Freehold again to make tanks happy
warm plinth
Idk legion still has some of the best M+ dungeons imo. If I can say that then I can say it has the worst too. Cathedral is my favorite M+ dungeon of all time. Neltharion's Lair is in my top 5.
lusty grotto
bfa freehold not the new version please
errant spire
is nelths lair biased by prot warr spell reflect?
lusty grotto
every single bfa dungeon theyve touched they've made worse
not by a huge amount but just unnecessary changes
slender bison
Underrot was solid. No bugs, no bullshit RPs, no giga respawn paths. Just careful pulls & interrupts and fairly challenging bosses.
lusty grotto
i miss AD snaps
yeah underrot was the exception
so maybe not all of them lol
idk how i feel about AD tbh
i just miss the snaps
it wasnt that bad, just no snaps
slender bison
lusty grotto
slender bison
Of course they'll nerf it, it's a trap
Enjoy another 5 months of spiders and violins
This is EU
south zealot
why would u ever vote ara kara
lmao
meadery and stonevault are the 2 best and its not very close
prisma echo
What about old good ataldazar
south zealot
if i had to guess people are voting ara kara bc it sjust hella short
lusty grotto
tww dungeons
south zealot
atal dazar is mid
lusty grotto
not BFA dungeons
south zealot
turbo overhyped
like its a good dungeon but people act like its the best keystone ever by far
prisma echo
Last boss atal is not
Fun
warm plinth
like its a good dungeon but people act like its the best keystone ever by far
People got that nostalgia from when you could just snap the entire dungeon
lusty grotto
warm plinth
When do we get Zul'Aman as a key is my question
jagged pier
I have tiger on classic
Wish the just merge collections
Thats my copium for mop classic they gunna merge the collections
So i can get cm gear on warrior finally
lusty grotto
thatd be nice, my rogue would get free t3
jagged pier
Its not going to hapoen but its my copium at least
lusty grotto
tbh they should do it
would incentivize people to join classic for w/e
unless they just want classic andies to move up to retail
jagged pier
It should, and then ppl cant complain that 'i did it when the content was relavent' because it is relevant on classic
But then ppl will say they did it when ir was hard even tho it was never hard
jagged pier
Yer nither
Jist pll that find the game too hard nowadays trying to cope i guess
Look at kungen
lusty grotto
true
jagged pier
Saying retail is easy yet didnt clear cn heroic
When he had his mega guild that was going for top 100 without prep
lusty grotto
lmao yea
warm plinth
Even I cleared CN on heroic
jagged pier
Dont forget he then did m+ when everyone else was proging raid week 1, didnt even time a 15 took a screenshot of his number 1 rank on io
Then claimed he was rank 1 for the rest of the expansion
warm plinth
but idk, the whole "I did this at this time" is just...idk. You can still say that even if other people can get it, first of all. Like to me, it's an accomplishment if you were a prot pally and you got mage tower when it was still fucking roided out for them
But you can still say that even if everyone could do mage tower now for original appearances
jagged pier
Yer it doesnt matter
The armour sets where garbage when it came back
And ppl still cant do them ever tho u crush them
warm plinth
Yeah, I didn't even bother doing it except on druid lol
round cliff
whats the fastest way to get reservoir anima in the yr of our lord 2025
warm plinth
Are the "new" ones still in the game?
lusty grotto
they are yes
jagged pier
U can still do the mage tower for the sets yer
And achievements
Nees to get on that really but cba
lusty grotto
and fel bear
warm plinth
I already did fel bear; it was the only one I bothered doing because the armor sets are all poopy
Realistically, a lot of the original mage towers I did, I only did because they weren't going to be available afterward. Like I've never played ret paladin in my life and probably never will, but I did the ret mage tower just in case because the weapon is cool lol
well, I played it for the mage tower, but that's it
jagged pier
I did ever single one because i want too
And they were gunna be available again
But bliz wants to make evergreen content now
So stuff like that shouldnt haooen again
Should always be available, they should go back and turn stuff one imo
warm plinth
Can you still do the chromie time thing? I only ever got one of the sets from that (which also sucks)
jagged pier
Take wod and mop cms, they can make those dungeons m+ like the systems for cms and locking gear at a certain ilvl is there
They can do it
Just resources really
warm plinth
The thing in wyrmrest temple where you were like 1k ilevel
warm plinth
Take wod and mop cms, they can make those dungeons m+ like the systems for cms a...
I know a lot of people would love another shot at the pandaren phoenix mounts
jagged pier
Yer it might be easier than it was or harder than it was but at least it give ppl a way to do it
And get the reward
warm plinth
Yeah, it's just everyone seeing things as an us vs them type thing. The logic of "well I did this then in this way, so it somehow reduces my accomplishment if you let them get it"
lusty grotto
its gatekeeping
warm plinth
If you got something when it was harder, then take pride in that. But why you gotta gatekeep others from getting it
jagged pier
I used to think that way, but honestly all the exculisve stuff i use now, i barely even use because ive used it so much and i use newer stuff
warm plinth
I just unlocked a flight path while leveling and I honestly forgot those were a thing
jagged pier
So why do i care if timmy goes gets it from doing rhe thing tune for now
And based on what i see a majority of the player base wouldnt be able to get the stuff anyways cause you know they not the best
lusty grotto
i feel the same way
jagged pier
So let ppl try bring back the content for our lvl they have the systems
slender bison
Was wod Iron Docks ever in M+ rotation?
lusty grotto
SL s4
jagged pier
Some mop dungeons too
warm plinth
Yeah one of the things I'm proudest of in my wow life is that I got the red proto-drake back in TBC from the heroic dungeon meta. It's more of a trigger for that memory than like oh look at this thing I have that you don't have. If other people have it and they did it today instead of back then, who cares 🤷
lusty grotto
iron docks and grimrail depot
slender bison
I skipped SL, ok
warm plinth
Iron Docks and Grimrail were the first two old dungeons brought back I think
jagged pier
iron docks and grimrail depot
Didnt even do it in a 20 cause i already had portal and achievement
Shkip
warm plinth
well, yeah I suppose
jagged pier
Timed but ilvl locked
slender bison
Is farming BlackRock Bulwark for xmog insanity?
slender bison
The HD version of Ilidan tbc one
warm plinth
I assume you mean Blackrock Foundry?
slender bison
Shield
warm plinth
Oh idk what that is lol
jagged pier
Oh from garrision
warm plinth
There's a new one?
jagged pier
There was a hd rez from garrisons
warm plinth
Oh
warm plinth
I mean, if you want it, then you should go for it
jagged pier
Lul used to be so cheap in wod
slender bison
Look it up, best shield xmog for tanks
jagged pier
No
warm plinth
If you're talking about bulwark of azzinoth, I will strongly disagree
jagged pier
Best shield tmog is the one that goes with your mog
Dont even use bulwark ither version anymore, over used it
warm plinth
Bulwark of Azzinoth is the pumpkin spice latte of shield transmogs
jagged pier
Boring to look at
warm plinth
If you love it, I love that for you and you should go for it. I just don't agree that it's the best mog
slender bison
Sorry, I meant "sought after"
jagged pier
Is it?
slender bison
Xmogs subjective ofc
jagged pier
I get far more questions about if u can get the mage tower shield than the bullwark
warm plinth
You can farm mogs now without being able to use the mog right
slender bison
Don't know that one
jagged pier
Ye
warm plinth
I almost said so you can just make a DH and go do black temple but I think there's no advanced starting levels now huh
jagged pier
Well u used to be able to skip right to illy with a dh
Dont think u can anymore
U could wall jump and stuff
warm plinth
As far as I know, the chain skip still works that gets you to the concubine boss
jagged pier
Oh fair
warm plinth
I used it as recently as last expansion but I guess it could've changed since then
jagged pier
Can i complain that i got the glaives on my warrior and can equip them
But i cant tmog them
I like complaining about that
jagged pier
Its a dh only tmog
slender bison
I mean ... look at this beauty in HD. Onlt 2 drops at AH for like 3 expansions
jagged pier
Bare in mind
warm plinth
Has a few more pixels
warm plinth
Yeah I don't think I agree with the decision to make the mog dh only when dhs weren't even in the game when those were added
For literally multiple expansions
lusty grotto
yeah its weird
jagged pier
Im 100% sure if they let u tmog those there would be about 1000% more SMF warriors around and bliz would finally fix it to be equal with TG or just behind
So it needs to be done
slender bison
SMF?
warm plinth
single-minded fury
jagged pier
Cause SMF being behind 1 1hander and 1 2hander is a joke
haughty scroll
molten knucks any good on prot? or nah
jagged pier
molten knucks any good on prot? or nah
St yes aoe no
warm plinth
what's the deal with this stuff? keep seeing it around while leveling, "disturbed earth"
slender bison
Has some goodies and pots for early 80s. And wax for xmogs
jagged pier
Its just like chest got valorstones and stuff in
warm plinth
Ahhh, is it like the expedition scout packs or w/e from df?
slender bison
Ye
jagged pier
There is a a quest to pick up 10 which gives u a delve key
warm plinth
@ionic fern hi ily
slender bison
Honestly, Undermine is kinda deserted comparing to DF cave area
warm plinth
You're up quite early huh
jagged pier
Honestly, Undermine is kinda deserted comparing to DF cave area
Cause after weeklies theres nothing to do
Also far less effcient for bots to farm that zone
slender bison
Yeah, the race thing didn't get traction
jagged pier
No its fun
warm plinth
I am kinda sad that I missed the murloc woolies from the trading post
slender bison
It would be nice to be able to drive the car from Durotar lvl 1 area to Ogrimmar though
jagged pier
I am kinda sad that I missed the murloc woolies from the trading post
Theyll come back around
jagged pier
maybe 
warm plinth
er, the thing for completing the "Journey" or whatever
jagged pier
i think they have havent really paid attention
slender bison
I just want the Bloodseeker Vestment again at Trade Post to make a night elf thirst trap
jagged pier
cloth not plate 
warm plinth
don't worry my warrior is already level 80
jagged pier
warm plinth
just vibing leveling my mage atm
warm plinth
Exactly
mortal cypress
mage is super fun to me as fire, but outside of combustion windows its like im tickling the boss with a feather
but im not very geared
warm plinth
I haven't leveled low levels in like 3 expansion. I have a character for every spec at 70 or higher, including a specless toon
round pendant
yeah I have a few classes left
Mage being one of them cause the last leveled mage I had was in wotlk on lost account
mortal cypress
yeah my mage was the first class I ever made....its older than some people in this server I think
made in 2004
warm plinth
this is the last screenshot I have of my spreadsheet before someone asked to use it for their own tracking and ruined my copy
This was from the end of DF though
mortal cypress
oooof you literally do have one of every spec....i just switch specs
I only have 2 warriors cos one is just a bank
warm plinth
I saw an article back in SL of a guy who did it and I was like I could do that
so I did it, and also did a toon without a spec
mortal cypress
hey if you find that fun, go for it
warm plinth
I did it without dungeon leveling outside of the few I did for quest chain endings though
all questing
Except the specless toon, which leveled from dungeons and some freehold leveling, because holy fuck would that have been miserable to do questing the whole way and I'm not THAT much of a glutton for punishment
warm plinth
hey if you find that fun, go for it
Fun is not the word I'd use was more out of boredom than anything else tbh. The end of SL XP bonus helped; when I learned that was coming, I started leaving them at 50 and then once the boost hit, I just marathon quested all of them from 50 to 60
mortal cypress
IDK why you would do it if its not fun.....but its your sub
warm plinth
It was kind of cathartic at times. Just kinda vibing, watching youtube and chatting with friends in voice
But 0 out of 10, would not recommend
I probably won't keep it up for TWW; I don't really enjoy the leveling experience in this expansion
I'm at 2 1/2 80s and I already wanna cry
warm plinth
Oh it is, I just mean like, enjoying the quests and such
mortal cypress
or 5....i forget
warm plinth
It's not as bad as horde-side BfA leveling though, and thank fuck for that
mortal cypress
ive played horde for 20 years, ironically only my warr is alliance
warm plinth
I'm historically horde as well, and my toons are a mix of both
I'd like to take a moment to talk about the greatest betrayal in WoW history
Here it is
round thicket
What is your plan for mythic + big pull especially at begining without rage and IP ? When I tried to pull 3-4 packs I take a lot of DMG during the setup... Once I'm in place it's ok but before it's a nightmare.
valid spade
Well you charge in, shield wall, TC maybe to gather jump to next group demo maybe by which point you should have enough to SB and IP etc.
Just make sure you go in with wall etc don't wait on them
And let your healer know so they can set up
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> hi ily
Love you too. You been good? Seems like you've enjoyed some afk time.
warm plinth
Yeah I'm doing alright. I have just been catching up on some TV and sleep, recharging a bit lol
How are things for you
valid spade
this is the last screenshot I have of my spreadsheet before someone asked to use...
That is genuinely impressive and scary lol
warm plinth
frank bough
How much haste should i have bevore using Into the Fray instead of Heavy Repercussions?
unborn island
17-18k with no 4p, 14-15 with 4p
Has anyone had the 2nd boss in priory just...not cast the castigators shield at all?
Or can you maybe cancel it?
Because I killed the boss last night in a 13 and as far as I can tell he just...didn't use it at all
rocky crest
I'm envious. I seem never get to that point in priory
party just goes ape on paladin packs and die
unborn island
So I saw a nice suggestion for those
Which is basically to hard cc all but 1 caster
Focus them down and then take the nect
The tolls aren't problematic if no other group damage is going out apparently
Obviously impossible to get pugs to do that, but I think it's a good suggestion 🙂
fickle dawn
so Chromobustible bomb suit (last boss tank trinket) always proc'ing cheat death when i use it and get hit
thats a bug right
dusky sentinel
Is there anything wierd about simming the circlet? Do I need to click anything to make it count with different gems?
floral bronze
do i use my 678 shield of 665 gallywix shield
marble crown
Does Shield block stop all physical hits or just auto attacks? sry noob warrior
round pendant
Anything that's blockable (which includes melees)
there's a spreadsheet in the pins that shows what abilities in the current season are blockable
marble crown
ty Yam
floral bronze
hmm gallywix shield 665 sims -0.5% worse than my 678 shield
round pendant
ilvl is king
floral bronze
yeah will just get it as myth with the currency in 11.1.5
marble crown
is it ok to take Champions spear and supporting talents instead of Thunderous roar and its supporting talents with colossus dungeon build? Just like the ability more
remote anchor
yea
marble crown
ty Ark
past cobalt
does into the fray only work with tier set to have shield charge to cover the gap of when shield block falls off?
for M+
pallid quiver
If you have enough haste, SB's CD is low enough for you to maintain SB uptime as long as you properly manage it
So you can't just blind send it like you can with HR
that being said, it's not that hard
don't press SB if pack's about to die and you gotta head to the next one, don't press SB if you're at cap duration
that's about it
past cobalt
I have about 18k haste right now that's 33%
I'm also using mostly last season's gear, I'm in that annoying place where I only have hero pieces from last patch
cerulean tusk
Play HR, have constant 20+ sec duration, be safe, be happy
shy python
Is Cyrce's Circlet still BIS?
rocky crest
Ya peeps got pointers in priory for paladin packs, those slay my party every single time. I cant do shit about it. Is 3 paladins too rough ? 2 has the same outcome.
cerulean tusk
Ya peeps got pointers in priory for paladin packs, those slay my party every sin...
I usually just chain em. Once the casters are dead, wait for the toll, and grab in the next pack.
As long rolls aren't synced and casts don't go off, there is not a lot of problems
floral bronze
I have about 18k haste right now that's 33%
get haste flask, but even with just 18k haste you shouldnt have problems with SB uptime
shield charge CD is so low with 4set
dusky sentinel
@rocky crest Also ask ur healer. I personally play a shaman and I can do 3 with cds. Its risky if people dont use defensives but it works. But just play it safe like Funky said. Chain and whatever u do. Dont sync the tolls
past cobalt
I have 0 set at the moment just started playing this rat alt today but I might try for 2k and hero gear this weekend after I'm done with chores on my raiding main
vivid spade
is it worth using third spark for neck considering the lack of options this season?
shy python
is it worth using third spark for neck considering the lack of options this seas...
absolutely
balmy oasis
Hi
I am curious as to how you guys use "Intervene" the best.
I dont think that physical damage directly on allies happens that often?
Do you guys swap if for something else, or when do you use it :D?
gentle ore
Use the talent pt for something else is the best use of intervene in its current state imho
shy python
I don't have it talented.
Used this as arms at last raids endboss to escape webs
marble crown
is there a full damage build someone can link for baby keys like +6 where survivability is a non issue
slender bison
Hi
I am curious as to how you guys use "Intervene" the best.
I dont think that...
Notable intervene niche: DFC 1st boss when adds fixate, ToP to get rid of swirlies and generally you use it as 3rd charge
round pendant
Hi
I am curious as to how you guys use "Intervene" the best.
I dont think that...
I use it for movement sometimes but honestly just pick a diff talent
there's no real good uses for it this season afaik
slender bison
When you tank mobs/bosses and they do the aoe and you wanna escape, intervene a ranged. It's like a reverse chagre
slender bison
I use it for movement sometimes but honestly just pick a diff talent
Only because the Magic shield hasn't been buffed enough on Thane builds, yet hp increases by 60%
But what to use the Intervene point for?
round pendant
thunderclap radius 🤷♂️
slender bison
balmy oasis
storm bolt ?
slender bison
Another intervene is to fix fuckups at ML rock boss in case adds reach someone
You get the stacks instead of them
slender bison
storm bolt ?
On MT if you don't use Intervene, you'll have x2 stormbolts with increase cd
round pendant
Honed Reflexes maybe
slender bison
Oh, and maybe use it in general during Priory on the healer in case he gets tagged by multiple snipers
round pendant
5% more shield walls HUGE
slender bison
On high keys I see the healer bodied if it gets tagged by 2 shooters. Same in ToP captain pack arbelests
So not so useless
But use it preventevly
slender bison
3rd easy 50 gold
slender bison
Kezan is the new sacc this season
slender bison
Sure, until you get Tome
sand condor
Tome is the priory trinket yeah
what do i run besides kezan then
stock n lock feels pretty good (probably cope)
slender bison
Dunno ask the SIM sweatlords here, but Floodgate + Priory Tome are kinda bis for M+
Kezan is strong to, but has rampup
sand condor
okay so then i should swap out the missle trinkete for flood, ill run a few to test
slender bison
5% more shield walls HUGE
I know you were memeing there
thin marten
is there any rhyme or reason to where the 2nd boss in priory places his soak
it feels like if you leap away from it he ALWAYS places it in the middle of his hammers
if you slowly walk away he sometimes places it in the hammers but sometimes on the other side of the room
slender bison
It's random, but generally you want everyone to stack for hammers, then you Leap diagonally on the room. The boss will likely make the Pyre somewhere far from hammers
Coin toss really
We wiped because he placed the big pyre (5 stars) inside the swirly hammers
Empyrically, the closer/stacked the hammers are the less chance of pyre being between them is
Is anyone using Battle Stance since Dragonflight?
thin marten
I thought it was random but when I was farming priory 7's for trinket I tried doing it a bunch of different ways and from my sample size it doesn't seem truly random
slender bison
None of the streamer neckbeards found a direct relation between party - hammers - pyre positon. So probably really random
thin marten
maybe just got owned by samplesize then
can't test it in adventure mode or whatever it's called because the npcs do whatever they feel like
slender bison
Seems the best outcome is: aggro boss -> stack for hammers -> leap far from hammers -> boss summons pyre in clear zone
But your grup must follow you
thin marten
the soak has never once spawned on the same side that everyone is on from my experience
I used the circle on the floor for guidance
it's also divided into 4 quadrants
slender bison
Low key /r/conspiracy right there next with Ancient aliens & pyramids ngl 
Wow mechanics are usually deterministic, and if not - they're not
See Neltharion's Lair
Tons of random stuff there too, same code/mechanics
thin marten
designing a mechanic like this with just true random is high key regarded though
maybe I'm giving blizzard too much credit
slender bison
Yea, but thei have a raid based on randomness
So who cares
This dungeon will be dead in 3-4 months
Maybe they'll patch it for MDI
Or explain "Pyre will no longer be spawned closers to 4 yards from Hammers"
Ez fix
rocky crest
<@109078448164569088> Also ask ur healer. I personally play a shaman and I can d...
thanks!
nova stratus
whats the best way to run the underpin (tier ??) this time around? for zek i only managed to do it as dps, is it the same this time around?
north dagger
I did it as prot
went full ST talents and kited the boss around the edge of the arena
~10 Minuten fight
with bran as a healer
pallid quiver
whats the best way to run the underpin (tier ??) this time around? for zek i onl...
It really is just do mechanics this time
Kick bombs into the adds to control them, don't get shot otherwise
north dagger
hold demolish for every shield, kick bombs into bots and then you're totally fine
pallid quiver
He'll die eventually if you do that. You can even hold every DPS CD if you want for shield
nova stratus
i get so overwhelmed with the cronies rofl, will keep practising
strong forum
Boss is literally just "throw bombs and have demolish for the shield"
And then boss just dies
Such a letdown
0 dps check
jagged pier
story of this patch really
strong forum
Real
If you get the bioprint perk you don't even have to do dps yourself
You'll proc a bioprint of the adds you destroy with bombs and it'll just kill the boss for you
north dagger
I watched a BDK do it without kicking bombs 
just going at it natty and dodging beams
rocky crest
one against many or arterial bleed ? what's your opinions ?
strong forum
Seems pretty annoying
rocky crest
+m scenarios
solid sun
Do I have to grind out delves to unlock ??
Or can I just do the ? version and then the ??
solid sun
:/
toxic pewter
Underpin was definitely easier than zekvir in my opinion
Zekvir actually took me longer
solid sun
Can I just go to waterworks or a fast delve and go 3-11
toxic pewter
Yes you can run same delve over and over
But you don’t get any rewards like you would from bountiful delve
toxic pewter
Yah fair enough
solid sun
Is it pretty noticeable that 12's don't have the affix that give you a buff when you resolve it?
unborn island
I think so, the haste from some of them is super nice
frozen berry
Dps drops significantly from not having the affixes, but it lets you focus on mechanics more not having to deal with it
young gyro
I'm not sure I even need delves anymore for gear
You still get 7 gilded crests for the first 3 11s delves you run each week. So it's at least worth doing those 3 for the quick crests.
slender bison
Dps drops significantly from not having the affixes, but it lets you focus on me...
So 12 is easier than 11?
dusk sphinx
how should we handle the tome trinket? just use it on CD or?
vital vale
which 2 of these 3 should i use in m+ and whats the benefits for each pick?
house of cards for more burst i assume
strong forum
house+pacemaker for m+
vital vale
ait
strong forum
if you want bigger prio dam/magic absorb you play house+tome
vital vale
i barely use the magic absorb on tome but it adds a lot of damage
tho i guess it loses main stat
thanks
oh wait the tome always gives a magic absorb im dumb
on both sides of it
strong forum
not always
neon elk
did they change % in priory or something? i just did the route i always do and finished last boss with like 1.5% missing
toxic pewter
dont think so you may of missed a pull or a mob or something
sharp gale
did they change % in priory or something? i just did the route i always do and f...
You forgot a footman in the last room perchance
Or miss 1-2 dudes (sharpshooters if you take them) when you go around the pit for priest mini boss
shy python
Is Cyrce's Circlet still BIS?
jagged pier
that is a question for sims
shy python
oh?
shy python
ohh nice. can I add gems?
jagged pier
yes
shy python
ahh there
round pendant
Hate circlet
sharp gale
Why
cerulean burrow
off the top of their heads does anyone know when it becomes better %haste wise to take into the fray over heavy repercussions
like what that threshold might be
sharp gale
On top of my head, 18 k without tier set, 14-15 with tier
cerulean burrow
oh shit dead ass appreciate it
round pendant
On top of my head, 18 k without tier set, 14-15 with tier
Isn't that kind of rng dependent
round pendant
That's why I hate circlet
I'm struggling to get haste atm
Ring slot would solve that shit
sharp gale
Idk cyrce give me almost 3 k haste
cerulean burrow
yeah my haste is low as fuck then if i put on scapfield and get the proc im at 15k haste lmao
round pendant
Idk cyrce give me almost 3 k haste
? How
Is haste your highest secondary?
Mine isn't so I just get 3k crit lmao
jagged pier
just hav ehigh haste its so easy
worldly parrot
if im just doing delves on my warrior, and not really any other content like dungeons or raids, is it still worth siming pieces of gear to see if they are better?
sharp gale
Idk I didn’t focus particular items for haste on my war except a ring or neck, I got the haste-vers ring and I crafted my neck
worldly parrot
if im just doing delves on my warrior, and not really any other content like dun...
as opposed to just looking at the stats and item level and making the choice myself
sharp gale
My weapon is vers mast one, my crafted shield has haste, the rest is side drop because of floodgate having haste on every plate piece
jagged pier
i had ver mastery shield at max ilvl
then we got shield twice from rik
so crit haste now
sharp gale
Yeah my wep is vault one I don’t remember which dungeon
I hope I can bring my war in reclears or gquit is in my mind
cerulean burrow
yeah i got the vers mas myth trrack i think week one from vault and the rest of my gear the stat allocation is justy garbage
45% mastery
BIG
sharp gale
I gem into lower mastery
cerulean burrow
yeah i dont want it
mighty valley
if im just doing delves on my warrior, and not really any other content like dun...
Simming doesn’t take very long but you also don’t really need to be anything close to optimal to do delves so it’s up to you
sharp gale
Robot says to me for my current gear
mighty valley
You could just stockpile everything you get and then sim your top gear once a week when you open your vault
lucid pecan
Does the earthquaker talent on colossus still knock people into the air if they are fully DR'd?
next pasture
sharp gale
Like harrow says, what you usually do is keep everything like a rat to do top gears (as example on my war and dk I have every hero items i dropped, minus double items or slots already 675-678)
small steeple
So, Fury or Arms right now in m+ when you wanna dps offspec?
valid spade
So, Fury or Arms right now in m+ when you wanna dps offspec?
Arms
small steeple
Was just wondering because I ran a 6 as both arms then fury last night, enjoyed both, and did basically the same damage
pallid quiver
Fury is target capped harder than Arms, so Arms will do more damage if your tank isn't a bitch
unfortunately, you're more likely to run into a tank who refuses to pull unless you poly half a pack than a tank willing to pull two packs
mighty valley
arms likes the same stats as us
however, I like fury and I don’t like arms
so scientifically speaking, fury is better
cerulean tusk
So, Fury or Arms right now in m+ when you wanna dps offspec?
Go arms, avoid Fury, Fury is depressing to play. You just huffing "overall DPS doesn't matter, prio damage is all" copium to stay afloat
small steeple
Well, I do play frost on my dk when I'm not maining blood that season sooo
tribal wharf
yes im aware that outplayed isnt that great and i do have obs but its for console on the tv recording
whats the difference with the full match and scissors one, it keeps missing many of the games i play
full session and match seems like same thing to me, weird, wish it recorded proper
small steeple
I mean, no clue about any of this, but thats the settings for D2:R?
tribal wharf
it used to be good for set it and forget it recording
but its not perfect
steam has a great system, it saves the recording as i guess its binary files and then later you just compile them
small steeple
For wow, I use warcraftrecorder if I ever want to just record something
strong forum
unironically
jagged pier
U mean big nomeblastoise
cerulean tusk
All fun and games til they nerf it
strong forum
well technically demolish still has its "unintended" 30% buff
slow forge
Feels like they’re gonna eventually nerf it.
jagged pier
Imagine if they reverted that now
toxic pewter
leave demolish alone!!!!!
strong forum
i was having fun until i saw overall
toxic pewter
slow forge
slow forge
It is known
jagged pier
Nome, just go BDK, my 645 does 3m in floodgate
Yer but warrior was the problem
In having a very unfun time tbh, the tabk mechanics make me sad, the tier set makes me giga sad and not even want to try
Like i can play the best i can and still not do very well because no procs
I had 2 fights on normal yestersay with under 10% uptime on the tier set
slender bison
Where can you see 4p set proc on Details?
toxic pewter
called luck of the draw under auras
slender bison
Auras & Voidzones? empty
toxic pewter
on details click ur name in the damage window then click auras toward the top right then scroll the list and find the buff
prisma echo
https://i.imgur.com/IWoOmsU.png
Do you have recorded pov maybe brother?
strong forum
not from floodgate
prisma echo
can you share some others? 🙂 for sure i can learn from them
prisma echo
thanks
orchid mural
i don't fully understand the first boss of floodgate. the electrocrush damage seems to change sometimes.
toxic pewter
ngl I literally just got 1 shot by electrocrush lmao I was too slow to defensive like a noob
you NEED to defensive that lmao
it will crush you
winged pawn
so I have a 675 shield with dusk thread lining. I am planning to craft a 675 sword. what emblishment should i put on it?
mighty valley
so I have a 675 shield with dusk thread lining. I am planning to craft a 675 swo...
None, put a thread on a different armor piece
winged pawn
so nothing on my weapon? then when i craft another piece, put thread on it?
winged pawn
oh okok cool this crafting stuff is like rocket science to me
neon elk
I would rather do that vovacity or whatever if u dont raid than ascendance
warm plinth
shouldn't listen to him for anything tbh
warm plinth
Solely? What about Petko articles?
toxic pewter
they really need to allow us to spell block while channeling demolish
cerulean tusk
Maybe some IcyVeins tierlists
Never thought about it, we cant?
If not, ye we should be able to
toxic pewter
Nope and it kinda sucks sometimes
like its rare i suppose
but sometimes I need it
toxic pewter
lol
warm plinth
Like you can't cast spell block during the channel or you can't block spells during the channel?
toxic pewter
cant cast it
warm plinth
Gotcha
toxic pewter
but I suppose we can still spell block during it?
warm plinth
That seems just...unnecessary then
toxic pewter
its not really a huge deal yea
warm plinth
Just let us press it x_x
toxic pewter
but sometimes im in bad spot and its my last defensive and i apparently choose to press demolish lol
instead of it
warm plinth
Well, damage is the most important thing right
toxic pewter
it prob doesnt matter actually
small steeple
So big influx of healing from leech, and th dr it applies
toxic pewter
lol
sharp gale
but sometimes im in bad spot and its my last defensive and i apparently choose t...
The most dumb thing I notice I do sometime is press wall to avatar demolish while my avatar is ready
toxic pewter
The most dumb thing I notice I do sometime is press wall to avatar demolish whil...
yah I think we are all guilty of that at least I am
mighty valley
they really need to allow us to spell block while channeling demolish
this does seem like an oversight, we can press basically all our other defensives during it
slender bison
The most dumb thing I notice I do sometime is press wall to avatar demolish whil...
Thane muscle memory
You hear the giga lightning sound when you press UF Avatar in Thane, but in Colossus you don't so ...yeah
Anyway just bagged first Priory 11
Feeling kinda arrogant
winged pawn
aw yeah, broke 650 with my new weapon 
fiery wren
ok just specced prot for the first time holy shit this has way more abilities than fury lol
vocal cave
toxic pewter
anyone tell me how the soak mechanic works on 2nd boss priory
like my team just blew up were people going into it too fast
can I as tank do all the soaks or how does it wok
agile elbow
You just have to have the amount of people that the circle show as orbs run into it.
You want to stagger people running in.
toxic pewter
yeah I think people just all ran into it at the same time
and it blew up my group
in a +12
oof
sharp gale
like my team just blew up were people going into it too fast
your team blew up because they soaked before castigator shield or just no soaks ?
sharp gale
dont soak before castigator shield imo
toxic pewter
yeah so youre saying no one soak until after large circles
damn no wonder group blew up
sharp gale
if you soak -> big dot on dps -> castigator shield -> heal can't heal while moving and -80% hp
toxic pewter
yeah thats a wild combo
sharp gale
yeah so youre saying no one soak until after large circles
maybe you as tank can ofc but you have time after the large circle to soak, debuff expire and resoak
idle copper
How many tier piece tokens should we have had so far (not including feats of strength)?
solid sun
Yes, this information is useful
I will tell my group to wait and watch them ignore me
But at least I’ll know what happened
lusty grotto
you have to wait to trigger it
remote anchor
How many tier piece tokens should we have had so far (not including feats of str...
2 from catalyst if you mean that
lusty grotto
you want to bait the shields out
remote anchor
and another if you reach 2k score or kill galliwix hc
idle copper
ty
winged pawn
does every healer have a dispel for the kujo chomp mechanic?
winged pawn
i see, is there anyway to reduce the dot if they dont dispell?
lusty grotto
check the sheet
winged pawn
says follow up dot is not blockable
winged pawn
kk thanks
toxic pewter
How many dogs do you guys pull at once
Pulling them all at same time is bad idea right
toxic pewter
In pug I do dogs in two pulls sort of chain
lusty grotto
so disc can usually breeze through it with mass dispel
toxic pewter
True
lusty grotto
so long as they die fast i mean
strong forum
You only need to pull 5 dogs total
So if you have moderate cds ready you can pull em all
sharp gale
You can pull 4 if you trust no body pull on the two on the left
But healer should not panick dispell 1 stack
jagged girder
Pull all the dogs, under the boss... no CDs
That's how chads play 17s
lusty grotto
it makes sense for higher keys for sure
still flame
how do i use Sim as Prot ?
lusty grotto
ST: 1 patchwerk, 3 mins (5 mins is fine for wow audit)
M+/AOE: 5 patchwerk, 1 min or 1.5 mins (no lust prob preferred)
still flame
okok ty
sharp gale
I imagine darkness from dh is also strong for the dogs, Druid vortex too
slender bison
Any ML+12 route or advice on major skips?
sharp gale
I think the best skip in ML is the shark skip after first boss
But it’s been so long I don’t remember a lot on what is actually the skip
slender bison
This implies skipping extractors? Until the orc miniboss?
sharp gale
Yes basically, and you can skip the orc if you have a warlock
sharp gale
This implies skipping extractors? Until the orc miniboss?
It’s the third one in the video, you can’t gate the orc if you do shark skip
It’s been 8 years idk if it was really that sorry
round cliff
You only need to pull 5 dogs total
huh
only 5
why do so many routes pull all of em then
round cliff
HUH
that would save so much time on my keys
where do u make up % tho
also isn't there patting dogs
lusty grotto
theres 2 pathing dogs yes
strong forum
(not like you can invent much)
is just dis dog
the others are sleeping
so you cant ninja them unless you dmg them
strong forum
you need to place the dog infront of the box's corner
lemme paint
if you place the dog there
not exactly on the corner but infront of it
at this angle
you can just hug the box and still fully attack boss
round cliff
real shit?
strong forum
yes
rocky crest
oh I placed the dog in the middle of short side
pallid quiver
Oh, I forgot Nome, thanks for that advice when you told me before
lusty grotto
oh I placed the dog in the middle of short side
oh no
round cliff
how do u do this reliably tho
pallid quiver
Worked perfectly
rocky crest
so if I place him pararell towards to long side like you painted
strong forum
you back up into it?
lusty grotto
how do u do this reliably tho
place him in the corner like hes saying
rocky crest
party shouldn't get hit ?
lusty grotto
they need the LoS WA
rocky crest
aye npnp need to try in low keys before I embaress myself in a 14
lusty grotto
it helps
strong forum
lusty grotto
or just watch the buff
strong forum
you back backpedal like this
when the dog is applying debuff to you
after each time he jumps
you back into it like this
rocky crest
does the boss face need to face short side or cant it face long side ?
strong forum
doesnt matter where the boss looks
lusty grotto
you just move slightly watching your buff, youre "LoS" when you have the buff
strong forum
matters where the boss STANDS
lusty grotto
there's a WA to keep track of it
round cliff
ic
lusty grotto
old BFA and SL S4 tech
rocky crest
round cliff
https://i.imgur.com/RVBJoe4.png
so the safespot is specifically at the back end of the box
not just anywhere on the side
lusty grotto
it takes some practice
strong forum
its a buff you get
lusty grotto
the safespot will be wherever you have the buff
strong forum
not actual LoS
round cliff
it comes in the causese dungeon pack
lusty grotto
yeah
charred lodge
am I insane or is threat on brew drops in cinderbrew just completely jacked up? like I can not get them with thunderclap
*the things that spawn from chargers hitting the wall and dieing
steep bear
what's the apm for prot?
lusty grotto
am I insane or is threat on brew drops in cinderbrew just completely jacked up? ...
it shouldnt be, unless its a new bug
charred lodge
It has felt absolutely horrible to get them off of people yesterday and today
toxic pewter
How to skip 2nd to last pack in Workshop. Can we heroic leap it
charred lodge
like if I revent and thunderclap it and dont get threat idk what to do
lusty grotto
How to skip 2nd to last pack in Workshop. Can we heroic leap it
soothe corner
invis pot in
toxic pewter
Soothe gives enough clearance to walk by?
toxic pewter
Will leaping to final pack pull the skip pack
lusty grotto
no, but your group will have a hard time
lusty grotto
no
toxic pewter
Interesting
toxic pewter
I see
lusty grotto
what's the apm for prot?
in relation to what?
prot apm has always been high, but what specifically are you asking
averages? comparisons?
lunar bobcat
Is there a haste cap for prot warriors?
steep bear
compared to prot pally
or arms war
i heard blizz tried to tone down prot war APM in january. how did that impact the speed of the spec?
i'm basically trying to avoid a fury situation where i get carpal tunnel or discomfort from pressing so many buttons so quickly
toxic pewter
I feel like we just as fast as we have been
warm plinth
Is there a haste cap for prot warriors?
No
lusty grotto
Is there a haste cap for prot warriors?
not that you can reach
lusty grotto
i heard blizz tried to tone down prot war APM in january. how did that impact th...
60-70 apm, its similar to arms and prot pally
warm plinth
i'm basically trying to avoid a fury situation where i get carpal tunnel or disc...
We are one of the highest apm specs in the game. Prot pally is pretty comparable to us as far as I know, maybe a little higher since the rage gen/ss reset adjustments going into 11.1
lusty grotto
it can go higher into 85 for sure
lusty grotto
im comparing my keys to my sprocketmonger arms kills
we are probably higher than arms
steep bear
lusty grotto
yeah we're def higher
arms hovers around 60
we can shoot up
sense had 85 on his sprocket myth kill
steep bear
jfc
sharp gale
i heard blizz tried to tone down prot war APM in january. how did that impact th...
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steep bear
ah tyvm
lusty grotto
oh right, ty happy
steep bear
yeah that's pretty up there
i understand why my guild's prot pally always complains about his spec's apm tho
small steeple
Authoridty of the Depths or Radiant Power?
small steeple
ok
analog sparrow
Isn't crit like #2 on st and aoe?
lusty grotto
#2 for what
analog sparrow
Second best enchant