cd usage >>>>>> pressing TC for rage instead of revenge to extend your ip
#protection
lusty grotto
strong forum
signet doesnt line up with any of our CDs
tome is extremely good on ST
pick your poison
potent anvil
timid wigeon
literally, I use def cds better than most players and you still want to snitch 1 or 2 cd misuse for revenge ?
How much dmg should I get from that rage ?
lusty grotto
you didnt
timid wigeon
500k ?
timid wigeon
spell block
fine dude, how many revenge did I lose from not using spell block ?
lusty grotto
people do that in fucking 8s
strong forum
matter of fact
thin marten
strong forum
you didnt use spellblock a single time
this entire dungeon
wait no
you used it twice
timid wigeon
...
lusty grotto
youre 100% not "using your cds better than other players"
frozen berry
There’s like 15 seconds in that snapshot where shield slam wasn’t used either, that seems odd.
strong forum
yeah
timid wigeon
you didnt use spellblock a single time
pretty sure I used it at the 2nd blood warper and the thunder boys near the boss
strong forum
regardless of that
timid wigeon
and again, how many revenge did I lose from not using spell block ?
strong forum
thats not the point here
explain the screenshot
youre going 15 full seconds without generating rage
and just revenge/tc-ing
thin marten
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQQCkBEkOadsvO4sTphB1RwzC6Z_3kq0...
cool thank you
lusty grotto
i think we're past the point where youre relying way too much on IP
because you cant press spell block
lusty grotto
cool thank you
its pinned
strong forum
nah thats not it
timid wigeon
youre going 15 full seconds without generating rage
what screenshot ?
strong forum
its just lack of dmg output
you cant self sustain
cuz you kite
instead of doing dmg efficiently
timid wigeon
what pull is that because you don't tank and spank in m+
you drag pulls around
chain pull
or just trying to cc mobs
strong forum
its first pull
timid wigeon
oh
lusty grotto
hmm
strong forum
you did 2.5mil dps in a pull where i usually do 6-7mil
cuz that pull does 0 tank dmg
frozen berry
First pull you don’t need to kite shit with lust and cd’s
strong forum
you used offensive CDs
and then still gathered?
you literally opened with shield charge
as your very first cast
to grab a pack
that insanely inefficient
timid wigeon
the first pull n
timid wigeon
so it's the typical first pull
frozen berry
Heroic throw is your friend
timid wigeon
shield charge+ charge for block -> leap to next pack -> clap next pack -> charge to next, SS for rage
strong forum
i recommend you to charge -> tc -> SS -> revenge -> tc 2nd pack, leap into 3rd pack-> tc -> charge to 4th pack -> TC -> roar in the middle of the room cuz now all mobs are in your roar range
then ravager -> demo shout -> demolish -> revenge spam
you will do INFINITELY more dmg
and be fully safe
timid wigeon
i recommend you to charge -> tc -> SS -> revenge -> tc 2nd pack, leap into 3rd p...
lol, you should shield charge + charge in one macro for max rage
timid wigeon
charge alone doesn't generate enough rage for SB, so you get naked hit
timid wigeon
lol you wasted an offensive cd when you need to spend next 5-10s running around to gather mobs ?
timid wigeon
lmao
strong forum
you get extra rage
strong forum
mate
strong forum
if you use both charge + sc
strong forum
you dont get benefit off of charge
or shield charge
1 of them will be cancelled
strong forum
you spend an offensive cd on the first pack of a large pull
because itll be still up during all CDs cuz of IO 🙂 and youll have avatar back during said pull again
its a 35seconds CD
use avatar
timid wigeon
because itll be still up during all CDs cuz of IO 🙂 and youll have avatar back ...
you still wasted half of avatar literally to run around
tardy zealot
timid wigeon
even pressing SW would be better than your avatar on the first pack
strong forum
you still wasted half of avatar literally to run around
youre complaining about low dmg
not me
timid wigeon
youre complaining about low dmg
that's why I don't waste my offensive cd like you
strong forum
bro
split roost
i mean if he's not having dam issues lmao
strong forum
1.6mil overall
split roost
what does that tell you homie
lusty grotto
i mean if he's not having dam issues lmao
he was literally bitching about low damage
neon elk
Imagine he is "wasting" his CDs and still doing more dmg , how could that even be possible
split roost
he was literally bitching about low damage
no i know
timid wigeon
and youre telling ME, im using my cds wrong?
at what key ?
strong forum
curious
split roost
he was literally bitching about low damage
i meant nome isn't having dam issues my bad
timid wigeon
I can pull 4M dps in m0 when I don't need to press a single ignore pain and spam SW for more avatar uptime
lusty grotto
i meant nome isn't having dam issues my bad
gotcha haha thats fine
round cliff
i was gonna come in and say "pressing IP is damage gain"
but i dont think that it would be welcome
timid wigeon
he thinks pressing IP is a dmg loss
of course if you don't overflow rage, pressing IP is a dps loss
split roost
i've been fury up until last season, pressing IP gives you VO and that's why its a damage gain yea?
strong forum
well and it prevents overcapping rage
tough flume
is Viscera of Coalesced Hatred simbait?
split roost
true
round cliff
its damage gain because anger management
split roost
OH TRUE
lusty grotto
strong forum
is Viscera of Coalesced Hatred simbait?
its mostly single target and it only recently got applied the tank dmg reduction
tough flume
ok thanks
strong forum
so viscera is mostly bait
timid wigeon
ah but you do overflow with rage
tell me how to overflow keys when you have 5 or less targets ?
tough flume
got a mythic one in vailt
strong forum
but you dont play battering ram or ravager
tough flume
but i saw it on bloodmallet really high
strong forum
so ofc you wouldnt overflow with rage
jagged gust
tell me how to overflow keys when you have 5 or less targets ?
pressing buttons helps
strong forum
cuz you dont play 2 big component to rage generation
round cliff
yo nome speaking of ravager
strong forum
i would recommend getting rid of indomitable and putting that point into ravager in your build
round cliff
now that i run it i find that my avatar often comes off cooldown AHEAD of my other cooldowns by many many seconds sometimes, getting worse over a longer fight
strong forum
indomitable does fuckall healing for colosssus
strong forum
dont hold avatar
round cliff
what do
strong forum
unless you know your next CD use is big
avatar is only ~35sec cd
so you have natually 50-60% uptime on it
more with more free-spirited usage of SW for damage
round cliff
what do i do when they desync to the point of avatar having ~3 sec left just as demo shout, ravager, shield charge, roar, and demolish all come off cd
jagged gust
press SW
strong forum
unless you need both SW for a dangerous pack soontm
round cliff
it wont cover an entire roar, or ravager tho
strong forum
thats fine
jagged gust
My monk has a cocoon ready and waiting 🙂
round cliff
so if all my cds are up, without avatar
strong forum
chances are youll have avatar up regardless
round cliff
i should do line
demo shout -> roar -> shield wall shield charge -> demolish?
timid wigeon
indomitable does fuckall healing for colosssus
I don't know how to tank without full defensive talents in high keys, but I live by a hair in many cases, for hard dungeons like Priory or Flood, I barely live through them and you recommend to remove my few last denfensive talents.
jagged gust
plus you'll demo before SC for the damage amp
round cliff
4 sec covers the shield charge and the 3 hits of demolish
pretty safely
oh demo gives damage amp?
round cliff
me when i dont read tooltips
strong forum
indomitable did 10% of your healing
split roost
oh demo gives damage amp?
with booming voice yes
strong forum
if you played a bit more aggressively, it would be even less
indomitable is REALLY shit for what you can instead gain
ravager helps you set up pulls more because of the constant rage gen and bigger aoe burst
to stabilise and leech more IP value aswell
indomitable is really really weak for colossus
jagged gust
me when i dont read tooltips
it's the colossus capstone
strong forum
many tanks dont play it in high keys anymore
timid wigeon
indomitable is REALLY shit for what you can instead gain
on paper, it's shit, but 6% health +10% self-heal saved me a lot of times
round cliff
so i should just be pressing avatar on cd, and when my coolies are up i should press shout -> shield wall demolish -> shield charge -> roar -> ravager?
round cliff
opener is different than mid fight tho
strong forum
not rly
split roost
ope i got confused between demo shout and demolish xd
strong forum
cds should come up at the same times
round cliff
avatar desyncs!
strong forum
who cares
jagged gust
demo is demo except when it's demo
pallid quiver
just have it be up
strong forum
youre thinking too much
round cliff
prob
strong forum
COOLDOWNS ON COOLDOWN
strong forum
we have insane amount of cooldown reduction on avatar and sw
timid wigeon
opener is on wowhead
mate, the moment you suggest to avatar on the first pull when you need to run around to gather mobs already invalidated your opinion about opener
strong forum
nope
round cliff
nome isnt ur mate, buddy
jagged gust
wild take, getting your abilities with CDR on CD is a good thing
strong forum
^
round cliff
no i get it
restive sage
its officially time for nome to hang up the wowhead guide writing
strong forum
ye unlucky
pallid quiver
you can't save your CDs for next dungo like that tho
restive sage
its this random dude's time
split roost
nome washed
strong forum
either way
now that we play IO
i should probably send first SW instead of avatar
and then send avatar like 4 sec later
when most of the pull is gathered
pallid quiver
SW is avatar tho
timid wigeon
wild take, getting your abilities with CDR on CD is a good thing
not really, for example, in boss fights, you need to time Avatar with tank bursters if you think you don't have enough SW
strong forum
that couzld work
round cliff
are u not shieldwalling while gathering packs anyways?
pallid quiver
not really, for example, in boss fights, you need to time Avatar with tank burst...
If that's the case, you need to press your buttons better
round cliff
i do it cuz i dont wanna fucking die before i get shield block up
timid wigeon
in AoE, you need to save Avatar for the next pull, if you can't recover it at the end of the pull
split roost
dumb question, does SW with IO give you the rage gen that avatar does or is it just the buff
pallid quiver
I can't think of a single boss where CD management is a major issue in current dungo pool
strong forum
if you actually use spellblock it isnt
pallid quiver
dumb question, does SW with IO give you the rage gen that avatar does or is it j...
it does give the rage
lusty grotto
lmao
strong forum
except last boss floodgate
split roost
o shit
lusty grotto
was just gonna say that
strong forum
you need to time your avatars with tankbuster
not all of them
but like every 4th tankbuster
(it lines up 90% of the time by itself)
lyric fern
in AoE, you need to save Avatar for the next pull, if you can't recover it at th...
is it just me or does this sound like some kind of sunk cost fallacy
lyric fern
"I used my avatar on this pack and its not up for the next one, therefor I wasted it"
???
lusty grotto
its exactly sunk cost fallacy
lusty grotto
so youre totally right, God
restive sage
i save most of my cds for the next key
lusty grotto
xD
lyric fern
honestly based rodeojones
restive sage
helps me ensure that i always have something up for 3 keys from now
split roost
that next key has no shot of survival
timid wigeon
is it just me or does this sound like some kind of sunk cost fallacy
ye, Avatar is important for a pull opener because it gives you both big theat snap and defense
on top of a bit of rage
jagged gust
You know what I miss as colossus? Noticing Avatar. Without Thunderblast i barely even notice when I'm buffed anymore
novel pike
Mountain Thane is still bis
lyric fern
I mean you get the shield wall sound queue
small steeple
Oh wow, over 600 unread messages in the last hour
lyric fern
that helps a bit
timid wigeon
Then what was your point
I meant, you should save your avatar if you can't recover it at the end of pull, because the next pull opener, you need it for more defensive and threat snap
small steeple
I meant, you should save your avatar if you can't recover it at the end of pull,...
revenge or troar
lyric fern
revenge, roar, ravager, clap, aoe taunt
strong forum
right
small steeple
ravager
strong forum
so im wasting it when i use avatar while gathering
but when you use it while gathering the pull after
its okay
small steeple
does shield charge generate threat? last time i looked at its aura page it had a 0% threat modifier
strong forum
timid wigeon
revenge, roar, ravager, clap, aoe taunt
we don't unless we have to, AoE taunt is bound with AoE interrupt, you don't play m+ without AoE interrupt
blissful lily
This all seems like a lot for an arms idiot who wants to get into keys more easily.
strong forum
i recommend you to practice your single target rotation aswell ADK
because
700k single target is not it
timid wigeon
i recommend you to practice your single target rotation aswell ADK
you meant on patchwerk ?
strong forum
yes
split roost
This all seems like a lot for an arms idiot who wants to get into keys more easi...
it's honestly not that complicated in practice lol
lyric fern
I mean I dont play aoe interrupt in 10s or anything, am I griefing pugs doing that?
strong forum
not at all
lyric fern
or my guild group?
small steeple
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=385952/shield-charge
Is this the right SC?
blissful lily
it's honestly not that complicated in practice lol
Ray of hope
solid sun
Saying nome’s opinion is invalidated, of all people, is so wild lmao. Mad props to the patience being shown rn
small steeple
when using demolish? yes
timid wigeon
when you can afford to
awesome, I love practicing tanking on a dummy
small steeple
*
strong forum
awesome, I love practicing tanking on a dummy
you should
practicing your rotation really does help
lyric fern
^
split roost
awesome, I love practicing tanking on a dummy
if it helps you get used to rotation and priorities why not
timid wigeon
you should
yeah, I will be a full fledged lfr/rdf tank after my dummy graduation
strong forum
im legitimately giving you advice on how to improve
and you answer it with ridicule
split roost
willingly sharing your logs and getting offended when being told you're doing it wrong is wild bro
timid wigeon
nah, the issue is your advice doesn't work in m+ when you play according to situations, not on paper
restive sage
class discords are not for advice
pallid quiver
yeah, I will be a full fledged lfr/rdf tank after my dummy graduation
Insulting the effort that goes into practice to maintain skills is an affront to humanity's progress as a whole.
restive sage
they're for bitching out loud and memes
strong forum
nah, the issue is your advice doesn't work in m+ when you play according to situ...
and yet i have been perfectly able to do them
and doing more damage than anyone else
lyric fern
class discords are not for advice
they can be, if you're willing to genuinely accept criticism
strong forum
while taking less damage
pallid quiver
they can be, if you're willing to genuinely accept criticism
You do have to filter out useful versus non-useful info, though.
strong forum
tanking keys as prot warrior is extremely scripted
you know where oyu need to use which defensive CD
lyric fern
very true luerce
restive sage
they can be, if you're willing to genuinely accept criticism
oh i agree, but you just described something 90% of people who post "help me" messages are not capable of
strong forum
doing damage is where the practice comes into play
and as prot warrior, playing aggressive rewards you with survivability
timid wigeon
tanking keys as prot warrior is extremely scripted
well, I guess you can play keys 17 because it's scripted
it's just you don't have good teammates, right ?
strong forum
no i do have teammates perfectly capable of doing 17s
timid wigeon
so you are doing 17s ?
solid sun
I can’t do 17s cause I’m awful :(
strong forum
do i need to do 17s right now when pushing keys right now is a waste of time?
pallid quiver
In order to have clout, yes
timid wigeon
do i need to do 17s right now when pushing keys right now is a waste of time?
I see, I understand
strong forum
or do i have to do 17s right now when i have been doing 30s in dragonflight
timid wigeon
or do i have to do 17s right now when i have been doing 30s in dragonflight
s3 ?
strong forum
when does my experience count, or does it reset every season
oak ivy
anybody got a visual WA for luck of the draw
restive sage
do i need to do 17s right now when pushing keys right now is a waste of time?
you need to so you can big bro on randoms who come in here
pallid quiver
People don't listen to reason, math, or logic. If they did, half the world's problems would not exist in the way they are.
lyric fern
this guy is 100% ragebaiting at this point
pallid quiver
when does my experience count, or does it reset every season
Resets every season
strong forum
i dont know
pallid quiver
People will just call you washed otherwise
split roost
this guy is 100% ragebaiting at this point
honestly tho lmao
lusty grotto
yet another logical fallacy tonight!
pallid quiver
and that it's definitely 100% different and the game is so different than even S3 DF
strong forum
i try to help, point out flaws and give advice with the log he presented
strong forum
at this point i dont what who or what i have to be
timid wigeon
i try to help, point out flaws and give advice with the log he presented
lol, you told me to spam revenge more when I barely had enough rage to spend on IP
what should I do ?
strong forum
practice your offensive rotation
pallid quiver
lol, you told me to spam revenge more when I barely had enough rage to spend on ...
press revenge
pallid quiver
It literally costs less rage than IP
strong forum
lost cause
pallid quiver
If you die, uninstall and leave the game tbh
strong forum
if legimitate advice falls on deaf ears
pallid quiver
It'll be just like real life, then
timid wigeon
your revenge replenishes your active IP bro
do you track your IP ? because I do. Tell me how much IP increases after you press your revenge
strong forum
~400k
solid sun
What’s the point in coming here if you just reject what you’re told
strong forum
per revenge in aoe
per GCD
sometimes more 🙂
cuz of bleeds and CDs rolling
but you need to do phat damage to get there
but someone who only uses demolish once in a 50seconds lust pull
and GENUIENLY REFUSES ADVICE
wont understand that
vocal quiver
Just want to thank the people who are here helping the newbies like me get more out of the class and get better overall
pallid quiver
but someone who only uses demolish once in a 50seconds lust pull
For any observers, this is bad because not only does Demolish do damage, it also decreases the damage done to you by mobs hit
strong forum
timed him out for 1day to calm down
pallid quiver
based
strong forum
and recollect
split roost
protect your peace king
frosty hazel
Well, as a guy who just joined the server this was a fun and weirdly helpful "conversation" to read.
pallid quiver
He was absolutely driving and commandeering conversation and drowning out other options with his talk
strong forum
we had genuine conversations but when the "wrong" thing had been said it has to be backed up by IO or w/e
if he knew better the wouldnt struggle to keep up IP in 14s
when people are doing 16/17s just fine
where dmg intake is ~60% higher
just practice your rotation, learn the priority
and most of the survivability will come by itself
not by spamming IP on a spec that can barely afford to press IP
doing dmg is what keeps a pwar alive
split roost
he brought up BSV, is BSV necessary? been running battering ram but i saw something about that maybe not being great?
strong forum
not at all necessary
especially not in floodgate
that dungeon does 0 tank dmg outside of bosses, which you can easily cover with CDs
pallid quiver
It can be useful to ensure you don't die when pushing mega high keys, but it's never been necessary and it's technically not optimal
No one's ever needed it to live off any logs I've ever seen in TWW, S1 or S2
split roost
oof
strong forum
that being said
in cinderbrew i would 100% run bsv
the first few pulls are brutal
i would also run it in priory
pallid quiver
I should probably start running it in weekly 10s since pug DPS are getting to the point where they're scuffed damage wise in 10s
strong forum
because the trash and 1st miniboss around first area are quite volatile
pallid quiver
things are living uncomfortably long in those first pulls, and bleed stacks go high
split roost
gotcha, i haven't actually gotten started in keys yet this season waiting for my buddies schedule to clear up, so i gotta check talents for each dungeon
pallid quiver
You can run the same talents for every key until you start getting to the point where these volatile pulls start existing
It'll help you understand your baseline a bit better, as well
strong forum
keys are chill af this season
especially on pwar i take like 0 damage
except in the 2 keys i named
pallid quiver
keys are chill af this season
players aren't tho
pallid quiver
People will scream and yell as I just solo the boss they all died on
strong forum
i pug only as dps
pallid quiver
And I'll just keep vibing
strong forum
not as tank, not worth the headache
pallid quiver
I'm still pressing buttons, so I'm good
I wouldn't push in pugs, so it's fine to tank weekly 10s in pugs and the like; I'm mega vibing there
a ton of other people absolutely are not, but that's a them problem
prisma crane
in cinderbrew i would 100% run bsv
and just drop Battering Ram i assume?
solid sun
Yo sometimes I lose IP
pallid quiver
Battering Ram has a lot of value with current tier, but Rav would be nice for the influx of rage in Cinder's first pulls
split roost
LOL
solid sun
:(
blissful lily
So I should not be pressing ip like it's iron fur.
strong forum
and just drop Battering Ram i assume?
ye
prisma crane
figured, ty
split roost
do you ever drop ravager?
prisma crane
so if you have ravager, what do you drop for BSV and BR?
strong forum
also the burst rage gen is really good to stabilise on pull
cuz on pull is when you are the weakest
not 1minute in
lusty grotto
so if you have ravager, what do you drop for BSV and BR?
indom
prisma crane
yea i mean ravager is nutty, tbh i dont even want to drop it for BR w/ tier
strong forum
its at the beginning
prisma crane
interesting... no indom
strong forum
ye indom does nothing for colossus
solid sun
One time I was like “I’m not gonna press IP here because revenge costs less rage and I’m getting low and the damage will add to my IP” and I thought I was listening to my inner Nomeratur, but then my IP still vanished and I also still was low on rage and so basically I just went outside and contemplated playing balance Druid instead…
strong forum
its mostly fluff
split roost
max health seems nice for indom but feel like you don't need it if mitigating properly
prisma crane
i mean i dont mind, i like ravager, agreed on the extra rage helping to stabilize
might want to update your wowhead guide then Nom
M+ col still shows indom and no BR
lusty grotto
it was like that cause BR is a 4pc play
so thats just for early season
but you right
strong forum
wowhead isnt ultra high key oriented
most of my stuff is objectively correct, but im not gonna recommend to little andy doing his first +7 to drop indomitable out the gate
rocky crest
I seem to struggle placing them orbs in priory. I think I've figured out that he does 180 whereever he's facing but can someone confirm that ?
prisma crane
fair enough
lusty grotto
I seem to struggle placing them orbs in priory. I think I've figured out that he...
its rng
just dont immediately move out of hammers
ive had good success with that
rocky crest
oh okok
strong forum
the orbs on 2nd boss are random position, the hammers are baited by dps/healer players
lusty grotto
dont leap out just stay there for a second
and he usually places it out
you just need the group to bait shield not on top of it
i.e. "just wait a second"
rocky crest
seems like I cant time that 13 priory
rocky crest
always some peeps just not doing things properly
strong forum
rocky crest
feels like the new grim batol
sharp gale
where dmg intake is ~60% higher
prisma crane
he put a "~"
sharp gale
i think i missed somehthing lel
small steeple
i wanted to go do bed over 2hrs ago
and look how that turned out...
prisma crane
he's covered
solid sun
Thanks for all the help yall do give out
its 48.5643647% or some shit
solid sun
Sorry sometimes people don’t do a good job of accepting the advice
sharp gale
my big math guess is 33.1% from 14 to 17
small steeple
uh want me to actually calculate rq?
strong forum
i know that with 10% scaling 6 key levels was almost 100%
prisma crane
i know that with 10% scaling 6 key levels was almost 100%
bed time!
strong forum
true
sharp gale
i just took blizz word : *after +10 it is 10% each lvl * so 14 -> 17 is 33.1% if you do 10% 3 times
lusty grotto
no dont sleep
sharp gale
gn, i just wanted to piss off with math
solid sun
Hey guys on a little slice of positivity, I finally timed an 11 floodgate today. We killed it
strong forum
lusty grotto
i gotta tell you about the time APK started talking here by complaining about getting declined for VDHs
its amazing
sleep not needed
solid sun
i gotta tell you about the time APK started talking here by complaining about ge...
I'd like to hear a solid story
small steeple
yeah 14-17 is about a 33% increase
glacial flint
Had this saved from ptr
hmm is there the 7% /keylevel nerf included ?! doesnt look like
small steeple
hmm is there the 7% /keylevel nerf included ?! doesnt look like
there is
sharp gale
yeah then it is after +10, 10% increase each lvl
small steeple
1.25*1.07=1.3375 as you can
toxic pewter
Apk making all us three letter named dudes that start with ap look bad
sharp gale
hmm is there the 7% /keylevel nerf included ?! doesnt look like
it is 7% each lvl (from the lvl before)
small steeple
exponetial scaling
solid sun
Apk making all us three letter named dudes that start with ap look bad
weirdly specific but checks out
sharp gale
exponetial scaling
multiplicative something no ? been a long time since math classes 
small steeple
yeah, kinda sort
Can't take credit for the graph, someone else made it, but I remember going through and the math was right
sharp gale
and you can't take the value of this if it's ptr, the actual growth is the same look, but blizz nerfed -10% overral first week
small steeple
and you can't take the value of this if it's ptr, the actual growth is the same ...
I'm not sure what you are refering to?
mighty valley
i gotta tell you about the time APK started talking here by complaining about ge...
wait I missed it how did the APK saga end
toxic pewter
nome timed him out for a day
sharp gale
I'm not sure what you are refering to?
the first week of the season, m+ got nerfed by 10%
mighty valley
apb > apk
toxic pewter
lol
mighty valley
mathematical facts
lusty grotto
pressed spell block twice in a floodgate 14
toxic pewter
the dude broke down to spamming revenge and blaming healer.. no wonder community wants to see us dead
lusty grotto
was swearing up and down on IP
so it suddenly made sense when he linked a log
and we saw his spell block usage
bleak breach
@strong forum Viscera of coalesced hatred top on bloodmallet but C tier on wowhead. is this just like sim bait or is it just not updated on wowhead since they buffed it?
sharp gale
<@192743144276623360> Viscera of coalesced hatred top on bloodmallet but C tier ...
he is sleepy mode
bleak breach
he is sleepy mode
so it's really good then?
lusty grotto
losing a big chunk of damage, not feeding his IP
lusty grotto
I'd like to hear a solid story
#protection message start here
thats the start of the ADK saga
its D, not P lmao
im sorry apb
sharp gale
so it's really good then?
i can't tell you since i dont have it, and i don't think the wowhead trinkets tier list has been updated
bleak breach
dunno @toxic pewter just looking at bloodmallet which has it top for ST
sharp gale
maybe i have it i'll check after my final vault key on my bdk
toxic pewter
dunno <@185160009074737153> just looking at bloodmallet which has it top for ST
blue post from 4 days ago
small steeple
the first week of the season, m+ got nerfed by 10%
can't find any change to dungeon scaling that was in a hotfix
cerulean tusk
Viscera is about 1.7% or of my overall, if that what you wondering about 
bleak breach
ahh yep
toxic pewter
may want to avoid it then again I am not sure if that is inncluded in bloodmallet already or not
Then again i think all trinkets are lowered for tanks or something
sharp gale
can't find any change to dungeon scaling that was in a hotfix
not scaling change, flat 10% nerf
cerulean tusk
All non tank trinkies should be reduced... Because blizz wanted tank trinkies to be attractive for tanks...
small steeple
Oh, then that doesn't influece the math at all
small steeple
The growth rate is still correct, so the ratio of change is right. So a 17 is still 33% harder than a 14
sharp gale
yes it is just the compare of S1 and S2 numbers (in the tab) is now incorrect
small steeple
but yeah i completly missed it because they put it in the dev note for some fucking reason
sharp gale
The first number of New scaling would be 1.125 and the growth remain the same
round pendant
What’s the point in coming here if you just reject what you’re told
This happens a lot
I don't know what mentality leads to it but the moment someone does that shit just stop engaging
round pendant
not scaling change, flat 10% nerf
You say 10% nerf I say 30% nerf to fortified
lusty grotto
but alas
lusty grotto
I don't know what mentality leads to it but the moment someone does that shit ju...
ego
mighty valley
i think people expect to come to prot warrior discord and be welcomed as heroes for complaining about balance
when so many of us are just tired of people saying the same shit for years
sharp gale
which was strange
Dunning Kruger effect
lusty grotto
they think their 14s topple facts and numbers
which is why they end up r.io checking
like that other guy eearlier
sharp gale
A.k.a The mountain of stupidity
small steeple
glacial lynx
My damage seems to be a bit lower this week did they change us?
lusty grotto
yes, colossus got nerfed
onyx vessel
Nerfed class is ded play vdh
lusty grotto
its in the pins
onyx vessel
sharp gale
Brew out damage us 100% we are ded
lusty grotto
man i really hope brews get a meta season, they deserve it
sharp gale
Whats brews highest key a 15?
My friend highest key might be one of brew highest and he stopped and switched dh so trash it is
lusty grotto
in the future i guess
pallid quiver
man i really hope brews get a meta season, they deserve it
I think there should be a no tank meta
lusty grotto
oh, agreed
onyx vessel
They would have to rework them to make stagger work better in aoe pulls
lusty grotto
ideally
sharp gale
onyx vessel
They never balance tanks properly for m+ cuz 99% of the time just play vdh for keys
Sure last season was ppal
lusty grotto
echoing what Harrow mentioned earlier
onyx vessel
16
lusty grotto
top keys arent "balance"
onyx vessel
Some tanks like blood dk just unkillable in 10s
lusty grotto
https://mythicstats.com/dps this looks pretty good to me
round pendant
I love class discord drama
lusty grotto
most popular tank does the least dps
onyx vessel
Vdh?
onyx vessel
Bear does 0 dmg on st
sharp gale
Will never be balanced, so no point in mains if want to meta, just prepare all tank specs before X patch to be ready to be meta
lusty grotto
just click the link lol
onyx vessel
that's col prot st too
lusty grotto
thats not st
onyx vessel
round pendant
I still keep pressing IP too much
lusty grotto
you son of a
round pendant
and ss not enough
lusty grotto
sharp gale
Im interested more by the birthday date of my soulmate ngl
onyx vessel
lusty grotto
Im interested more by the birthday date of my soulmate ngl
lmao
glacial lynx
I just told my M+ healer that I dont have IP anymore so he has to heal more
lusty grotto
grain of salt
its also pulling from logs, and not everyone logs
or makes them public
onyx vessel
More then prot war cuz pull big hit demo
solid sun
VDH isn't even good.
sharp gale
And m+ logs …..
solid sun
Trust
onyx vessel
Not wrong still most picked tank spec
lusty grotto
a window into it, just take with a grain of salt
solid sun
I'd rather "Chip: col > mt @ aoe dmg still" tank my key than any VDH in the whole universe
round pendant
if I'm not S tier dead spec
onyx vessel
Brew for keys is also way harder to play then other tanks
lusty grotto
tbf that site is much better than tier list lol
at least its backed up by not opinions lol
round pendant
brew living life on ezmode tbh
sharp gale
My Tier list prot war = IP S tier, it deserve my rage more than revenge
round pendant
on the things that prot struggles with they're so free
onyx vessel
I see prot warriors running +30rage talent
I'm like wait I'm always 0 rage spamming revenge
sharp gale
You have 1 or 2 points of choice in the middle
onyx vessel
Still 95%block uptime tho with into the fray
sharp gale
I correct myself, you have 1 point of choice bc imo it is troll to not take under shockwave talent
onyx vessel
Yeah but alot of people don't take it tho on the high end but that's cuz running with a really good team allows you to need less stops cuz people actually kick properly
sharp gale
I guess it is logic usage of logic, but I wouldn’t talent it out in pug 100%
toxic pewter
anyone know why after we skipped 3rd mini boss in theater of pain it randomly aggro'd on the group in totally different wing of the dungeon
has that every happened to you guys before
crude tapir
What embellishment do we run on crafted gear?
lusty grotto
dawn/dusk whichever sims best between the 2
sharp gale
anyone know why after we skipped 3rd mini boss in theater of pain it randomly ag...
I had 2 weird things happening in ToP this week, first it was last plaform lich part / 3 dudes, mobs snapped into us mid fight (I guess someone pulled aggro from the platform but how idk) and second just today lich boss : random souls spawned in the middle on the boss and started to hit the tank / they didn’t trigger the wipe thing, and regular souls popped at the same time
toxic pewter
I had 2 weird things happening in ToP this week, first it was last plaform lich ...
Yeah something strange going on in there if I say so myself
sharp gale
I know, but really ? On the last platform ? Ignite can pull on the previous platform ?
small steeple
I think the phoneix they spawn from sunfury tree spell steals the absorb shield from the bone magus that aren't in combat
Phoneix spawns with combustion i think?
sharp gale
Im talking about this platform, we bursted to laugh when we had a half health pack of 3 transformed into a pack of 10 dudes casting bone spears
lusty grotto
yeah there's def some weird interactions in that dungeon
i wouldnt be surprised
could probably figure it out with a log
sharp gale
I doubt my casual friends logged our weekly no leaver we did Tuesday
sharp gale
But my big guess is something weird happened bc we were big trolling the key, like switching the orb lich part just after someone takes the portal, maybe someone who died had some weird body pull out of space
On the way back
It was the best weekly no leaver I ever did ngl (1 hour ToP 10)
round cliff
thats a skip i havent heard of in a long ass time
half of every group i have fucks up the extractor dance
so im just not gonna do it!
skip 2nd extractor pack
make up for it by stressing the healer out with an extra war machine
simple
sharp gale
half of every group i have fucks up the extractor dance
You know the first 2 weeks I was taking the pack left and right (2 extractors) together in my 10s it was melee enjoyment but caster hell
round cliff
wait
lusty grotto
half of every group i have fucks up the extractor dance
people stop doing that skip in bfa cause sharks got giga buffed, also 50/50 chance someone fucked it up
round cliff
left?
round cliff
people stop doing that skip in bfa cause sharks got giga buffed, also 50/50 chan...
avoid da sharks
simple
round cliff
the diff is if someone fucks up extractor dance they die
if someone pulls shark i taunt
lusty grotto
anyway that was was bfa, where death runs were common place in the last area
sharp gale
After the first boss there is a pack on the right with the extractor and on the left another pack (who gets body pull half keys)
round cliff
and they dont die
round cliff
After the first boss there is a pack on the right with the extractor and on the ...
ive never actually had that left pack body pull tbh
i didnt even know it had an extractor
sharp gale
It is such a bullet hell 2 together I somehow enjoyed it
round cliff
i enjoy bullethell gaming like that, but nobody is as good at the game as me
so they die to it
very sad
lusty grotto
you can also stack to bait and cancel area denial
also not hard
the #1 killer in that part isnt the extractors anyway, its free casts
sharp gale
Yeah I stopped last week taking them together bc Rio hell caught up to 10s and 11s, so people can’t dodge
lusty grotto
yeah
round cliff
rio hell..
lusty grotto
you can tell really fast if people body pull shit thats mind soothed on 1st pull
with peacekeeper etc
i had a rogue cuss me out cause i asked im to shroud 2nd area and the idiot was too close to the left thug
"it doesnt work", meanwhile i do it with only mind soothe
with most people
cant grasp the concept of "thugs see invis"
sharp gale
I started this week to push so I have no routes, so I did the dungeons I don’t need one first to fill my 11s, idk what to do in Motherlode
sharp gale
Yeah I’ll pug, no weird shit with 10% success in Rio hell
sharp gale
When I will be in 15s-16s will see how to do weird pull, backflip 360
lusty grotto
just include anything they body pull
and hope to christ it aint thugs
and if its assassins that they know how to play stops
sharp gale
Thugs are the one you need to disenrzge ?
sharp gale
what i was doing
people ask "bl first pull?", with no context bc i dont see other tanks, i'm like huh???
so i try to do the biggest first idk if i can take more
lusty grotto
yeah i just rather use lust with the peacekeeper
sharp gale
okok, i'll keep it in my mind, i will keep doing this first one until 13-14, i dont like shroud/pot in low keys where you dont rly need it
lusty grotto
you dont really need soothe or shrouds
it just helps
hug left, wait for the assassin patrol to go by
pull immediate left, press w into right dude and grab peacekeeper
sharp gale
and how you go to 2 ?
lusty grotto
and then on 2nd area you just wait out the peacekeeper patrol and stay in the middle of the road kind of
but that one is harder
if i see them body pulling first area i just say fuck it and pull g25 and the patrol peacekeeper
and hopefully they dont agro anything else
so something like this
or like this
though i havent tried it, i suspect you can just taunt pull that pack and it wont social agro the peacekeeper inside
chilly brook
But my big guess is something weird happened bc we were big trolling the key, li...
fire mage hero talent bird
kinda buggy
jagged gust
5 tank is too easy
violet flume
Hey, why is it recommended to pick up immovable object instead of unstoppable force for colossus?
does it have some interaction that im missing or we realy just want 4sec avatars once in a while from shield wall
jagged gust
long story short it sims better
lusty grotto
mare avatar availability
and more wall availability
and youre also playing DA
DA + IO is a combo, you really dont play one without the other
all because IW got nerfed
violet flume
DA?
lusty grotto
defender's aegis
lusty grotto
yes
violet flume
and shieldwall for avatar + demolish on the rare times avatar isnt up
lusty grotto
TC being weaker is another reason
also correct
on the mini avatar for demolish etc
violet flume
aight makes sense, thanks!
sharp gale
sharp gale
lusty grotto
he right
sharp gale
IMPOSSIBLE TO TIME WE HAVE 2 MONKS OMG
lusty grotto
lmaooo
jagged gust
worldly parrot
hey, so i just started playing prot a lot more to do delves easier, i want to make a runed or gilded version of a crafted item for prot. i have a 8/8 adventure track 1 hander and a 4/8 shield, should i craft a 1 handed weapon or a shield?
lusty grotto
are you strictly doing delves?
or do you intend to get into other content?
regardless, shield is the bigger upgrade
and weapon the 2nd biggest
torpid inlet
I crafted a shield then got hero track titan of industry out of a box one dungeon later
So works out rly
lusty grotto
hero track titan is not better than a gilded crafted shield
gilded crafted shield beats it
torpid inlet
No it's kept for when I get gilded
torpid inlet
Will be a while for that
worldly parrot
regardless, shield is the bigger upgrade
ok, i am basically just doing delves with other weekly content things, no dungeons or raids really
worldly parrot
ok
lusty grotto
shield will make you tankier
weapon will make your abilities more powerful so you deal more dps
worldly parrot
i saw there were 2 options for shields in the crafting orders, does it matter if i choose the embellished one instead of the normal one?
lusty grotto
do not pick the embelished one
make an everforged
so you eventually can craft other pieces with better embelishments
worldly parrot
ok
slender bison
I've swapped Indomitable with BSV and my chronic 11 key depression just magically went away
slender bison
Great in Floodgate and ML where I had issues
lusty grotto
and not make you realize what youre doing wrong
slender bison
Im in PUGs - was dying either to blood guys with 12 stacks or ML tank busters
lusty grotto
i do 11s in pugs too since week 2
they didnt feel any harder than 10s
probably better to just log and see what youre doing wrong
its fine to keep bsv
that way you know where its proccing
slender bison
Obviously not due to SB downtime, mostly tank busting events in general. Like 7 stacks of ML orc bleed
lusty grotto
but if its something you can fix, you can improve your play
hmm
low crit? not parrying?
i very rarely get that many stacks
sharp gale
Mostly back shots, Shield block or naked against tankbuster is what you do wrong making bsv proc, but it can proc because of other random things
lusty grotto
they just fade out due to jumps
slender bison
Mostly back shots, Shield block or naked against tankbuster is what you do wrong...
I never struggle with trash, BSV triggers at ML azerite puncture, orc bleed, floodgate blood stacks
lusty grotto
and i know because if i see anything higher than 5, i dwarf
sharp gale
The bleed in Motherlode before 2nd boss ?
sharp gale
He jumps on someone I just stare at him and it fades before I runs back to me
lusty grotto
yea
slender bison
and i know because if i see anything higher than 5, i dwarf
Myea, I'm nightborne, so I basically just spam ignore pain if rage available while I kite
lusty grotto
thats what i meant by jumps
sharp gale
(Would switch to dwarf when I’ll be in higher keys)
lusty grotto
there's no reason to kite in 11sd
youre just cutting your rage supply off
thats just bad play
target the orc
stack punish on him
not anything other than
if you need to kick, focus target kick
same deal with extractors
and punctures or w/e
sharp gale
And if he jumps just hit the other dudes and place yourself the farthest of him and stare him straight into the eyes
slender bison
I just need to wrap up 11 Priory and Rookery then I'll check what's up with the kiting
lusty grotto
i dont think ive kited in 11s since creepers got the dispel treatment
round cliff
how do u guys handle the bleed before 2nd boss in motherlode? my instrict is to kite but my MW buddy tells me "be a god damn man and tank it i wont let you die"
but i dont believe him
lusty grotto
scroll up
slender bison
Last time I had to kite was the Grim Batol giga bleed from the overseers
lusty grotto
we're literally talking about it fruiter
sharp gale
Thane > col ?
slender bison
how do u guys handle the bleed before 2nd boss in motherlode? my instrict is to ...
With MW I don't kite, but with Disc I have to. Unless he uses PS
sharp gale
Dwarf when too many, just let it fade when he jumps and bearable
round cliff
With MW I don't kite, but with Disc I have to. Unless he uses PS
heres how it usually goes
- my healer is good at their job and doesnt pump me with overhealing
- i see my hp bar drop to bleed that i cant cleanse cuz orc
- my healer will handle it if i just dont panic
- i panic and kite and die because my healer is a mistweaver
slender bison
Do you also pull 2 Azerite extractors?
round cliff
im a big fan of the double war machine pull immediately after 3rd boss tho
i should do it more
round cliff
2 war machines 2 specialists
gives like 14%?
u can skip so much and make up for it w/ that pull
lusty grotto
yeah its efficient count
sharp gale
And if you hate the dude with bleeds you can take a warlock in your group to skip no ? I don’t remember how it was done
slender bison
The alchemists/testers seem easier for count as DPS have cd ready after rock boss
And I can do a beefy pull
slender bison
And if you hate the dude with bleeds you can take a warlock in your group to ski...
Warlocks kinda rare in EU PUGs ngl
sharp gale
Yeah bc I know first area lot of things are no no in higher keys, what I do is to pug until it matter
lusty grotto
first area used to be extremely good count in BFA
but now its not really
most routes just went around the donut and pulled just about everything
and most of your count was done then and there
sharp gale
Yeah going right after fiesta and full clearing
round cliff
i just do this
how do u stealth thru the entire middle section tho
slender bison
I'm reaching mine field with 85% enough for 3 war machines
lusty grotto
you dont
sharp gale
how many mines tho
lusty grotto
anyway i go over it
slender bison
I'll check your skips after coffee
round cliff
oic what ur doing
slender bison
How much crit you got?
round cliff
so ur just big lusting the peacekeeper
slender bison
Baseline
round cliff
ive been doing some looney tunes goofy goober strats
lusty grotto
but also crit trinkets
slender bison
Are priests mandatory for ML 1st area skips ?
lusty grotto
pacemaker
etc
1st area no
2nd area invis pots at least
these were this particular log's ratings
lusty grotto
i dont have tome
dogshit ass myth signet
i would trade it for a hero tome
in a heartbeat
sharp gale
Juicy signet but 2 min L
lusty grotto
garbanso beans
only reason to ever use it is in a full 5 man signet comp if anything
slender bison
Tome only on prot loot table, so get some platers with tank loot spec and spam priory 7s
lusty grotto
ive done 27 runs so far
sharp gale
No bombsuit yet ?
slender bison
I had to stack a frost DK and a warr with prot spec to get the DFC 1hc after 25 runs
sharp gale
I mean to use it in m+, you don’t have it in hero or nm?
slender bison
Still had S1 weapon