protection

[quasi jewel]

We get them at the carnicerias

[small steeple]

But why thunderlord ?

[lusty grotto]

probably for defensive reasons

as an extra DR

makes no sense regardless

they wont get a lot of resets since TC isnt used that much

[still vault]

how to get into 13 keys? lol

[lusty grotto]

or, rather, cdr

[bold turret]

I ended up doing my own

[still vault]

is that the only way? the jump from 12 to 13 is not that big right?

[naive panther]

Any soda with real sugar is better. I do like diet mtn dew in plastic better than can. But usually get it as a fountain drink.

[bold turret]

ofc you can premade, join others but I don't tend to like sitting in town for 30 mins

[still vault]

I was able to get into 12 keys pretty easily, 13 seems imposible. every group only want a pally or DH

[bold turret]

The higher you go the more meta slaves pugs are

[vital vale]

does shield block do anything in phase 1 of last boss workshop?

king mechagon

[bold turret]

12 to 13s isn't that big no

[still vault]

that's true, but I didn't think the difference between 12 and 13 is that big in pug persecption.

[chilly brook]

increase shield slam damage

[vital vale]

other than that? is it better to just use the rage for revenge during p1?

[vocal flame]

How much extra damage do you think they were doing?

[chilly brook]

30% instead of the stated 20%

[vocal flame]

wow

[chilly brook]

You tell me, do you think an extra revenge outweighs 30% more shield slam damage?

In single target

[lofty warren]

What are they going to give to compensate us dealing with fort mobs hitting too hard for weeks

[chilly brook]

Or better yet let me put it this way, do you think an ability that hits for 298k on average is worth the press over an ability that buffs the ability that has an average hit of 1.2m

[vocal flame]

I am thinking an ice cream cone

[lofty warren]

I'm thinking 1 token that gives a mythic item of your choice from a cendor

[prisma echo]

they should buff tyranical to 30%, it would be blizzard way of handling things

im dissapointed

[lusty grotto]

explains why we had qustions and comments saying shit was hurting more than usual

i didnt feel it on anything past 10

but

i have to admit

for some fucking reason, any key below 10 felt like it hurt more than any key over it

[sharp gale]

If you didn’t do a single 13, it is the same small rule that is being applied to you or people in 10s, it’s bc you don’t have a single key timed in 13

[lusty grotto]

because i thought it was a perception thing i didnt really say anything

[sharp gale]

Like people not getting invited in 10….. bc they don’t have a single key in 10

[lusty grotto]

i ran priories this week from 8 to 11 farming tome

and noticed a difference between the key levels

[still vault]

ya hard to time a 13 when I can't get in lol

[sharp gale]

It’s 10% more than the lvl before (after +10)

[lusty grotto]

first 2 pulls hurt a lot more on a 9 than they did on an 11

i couldnt explain it so yeah attributed it to either me fucking up somehow or being careless because it was a lower key or other reasons

[nova tree]

So, I just started tanking keys and don't really have a base to go off of for damage. Is 2.01M bad for a low rookery?(like an 8-10)

[sharp gale]

You need 5 year experience to get entry lvl job irl, it is the same thing here

(Tag your key and you will do the same thing others are doing to you)

[still vault]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-sad-rain-gif-22845398

[lusty grotto]

a j 😮 b

[viral jackal]

If you’re averaging 2mil dps in a dungeon that’s pretty fucking great

[nova tree]

It feels weird cause i just don't know if I'm doing well as a tank or if prot warrior is just busted in lower keys

[viral jackal]

Well Prot War dmg is very good in keys.

And as long as you're not dying and are completing dungeons, you're doing well as a tank.

[lusty grotto]

only way to know is to log

topping meters in LFR isnt really indicative of doing well or doing poorly

and in that similar vein, low keys

but even in those, a log can give you all the information you need

and if you dont understand it, we do

[round pendant]

I'm gonna craft a neck

I'm so tired of never having a good neck every season

I just never drop the one I need

[lusty grotto]

i crafted mine on wednesday

[nova tree]

would anyone be able to tell me if I sent a details log if I'm messing something up?

[lusty grotto]

no

we need logs

details is very limited

search your character in warcraflogs

if you havent been uploading logs

someone usually is

[nova tree]

Already checked, nobody was at the time

[lusty grotto]

start logging your runs

see here if you dont know how #protection message

[winged pawn]

is a 675 crafted weapon going to be better than any hero track weapon? i already have a 675 shield

[lusty grotto]

yes

ilvl rules all on both

[winged pawn]

thank you

[timid wigeon]

I fking hate DHs, all groups only want DH, I can't get invited to my final key 14

and blizzard doesn't do anything to DH while destroying pwar's AoE

[violet trellis]

Was the nerf that bad? I had no chance to test it yet.

[mighty valley]

"destroying" is extremely hyperbolic

[lusty grotto]

pins, its not bad

[timid wigeon]

my revenge hits like wetnoodle

[mighty valley]

pugs are meta brained, tale as old as time

[timid wigeon]

losing like 10+% overall dps

[lusty grotto]

what

lmao

"wet noodle"

okay

[timid wigeon]

apparently because VDH is way superior to other tanks. I checked warcraft logs, pratically, the dmg they take is almost the same as their healing. Aka. they don't need a healer

[lusty grotto]

its ironic people complain about meta chasing groups while still falling into the same trap

"destroying pwar's AOE"

"my revenge hits like a wetnoodle"

literally the same perspective of those hes complaining about

[timid wigeon]

Idk what you talked about, but pwar barely did more dmg than other tanks in high keys. Now with the nerf, they don't have any other advantages, only disadvantages of weak utilities and having to rely on healers to deal with dots and magic dmg.

[lusty grotto]

ok then

prot is dead for you

reroll

o7

[timid wigeon]

that's super constructive

[lusty grotto]

youre not asking for constructive feedback here

your mind is made up

just like the groups that decline you

2 sides of the same coin

[mighty valley]

we're the second most represented tank on the leaderboard, we can clearly do the content

[timid wigeon]

I was ranting about the facts that blizzard treated unfairly to pwar, but it seems you are very helpful in putting people down and chasing them away

[lusty grotto]

My ReVenGe HiTS LiKe A wEt NoODlE

[timid wigeon]

raid or m+ ?

[timid wigeon]

and apparently, BDK is doing more dps than pwar

[mighty valley]

and yet,

[lusty grotto]

i know you were ranting

thus "not looking for feedback"

and instead just venting about how apparently dead the class is

which is misinformation

[mighty valley]

pug mentality is annoying, either commit to rerolling fotm constantly, or run your own keys or make friends

[lusty grotto]

its like that every season

we're used to it

[mighty valley]

there's no realistic balance state blizzard could produce where every tank is being picked equally

[lusty grotto]

welcome to prot warrior

[timid wigeon]

I can't even think a reason they nerfed prot war's AoE when they was middle of the pack tank

[tiny cave]

Should we really be complaining if were actually ON the list, theres 3 tanka not even present

[mighty valley]

this is what i'm saying lol

this isn't even a bad season for how things usually go for prot warrior

[lusty grotto]

agreed

[small steeple]

misleading picture, you took runs, not io

[lusty grotto]

wat

[tiny cave]

basically same list tho

[lusty grotto]

Badkad you really need to stop ACKCHUALLY'ing

its annoying

completely beside the point

[mighty valley]

it's very funny to say "your data was misleading" when all I was trying to show is that the spec can time 17s

AND your picture shows basically the same breakdown lol

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

im just gonna rename him ACKCHYUALLY master from now on

[violet trellis]

🤣

[tiny cave]

Its sucks to get nerfed but metas fluctuate, im new to tanking but werent warriors pretty good last season and vdh not so great (i might be wrong tho)

[lusty grotto]

kind of

[timid wigeon]

pwar never has had a good season since bfa

[lusty grotto]

prot warrior is always good first half of s1, since DF

BFA was expansion-wide

[timid wigeon]

it was for a few weeks before they nerfed pwar to ground and buffed pally to the moon

[lusty grotto]

and the class has always been capable, barring the vomit inducing SL S1

[violet trellis]

I want the banners back

[timid wigeon]

s4 slands was the only fun season of being pwar, but BDK onesidedly dominated that season

[lusty grotto]

the expansion*

[mighty valley]

vdh was the pick s1 when every tank sucked

[timid wigeon]

nah, BDK dominated only slands s3-4, s1 was VDH, s2 was ppal

[lusty grotto]

vdh fell out when the bug was fixed

[mighty valley]

oh yeah, good times

SL s2 was about the closest tank balance I've seen tbh

[timid wigeon]

I had some fun being dps tank before the nerf. BUT FUN DETECTED !!!

DAMN BLIZZARD

[mighty valley]

jesus christ

[lusty grotto]

jesus christ indeed

[tiny cave]

How high can ”normal” people go with warrior, like i said earlier im new to tanking but it feel fun and i get invited to groups no problem

[lusty grotto]

title keys are perfectly doable with warrior

all seasons basically

[winged pawn]

im normal and im very high

[timid wigeon]

it depends on time. but the general rule is the higher key you go, the less chance you get invited as non-meta class

[winged pawn]

which applies to all non meta classes

[timid wigeon]

dps and heal are quite balanced, only tank balance is shit

[lusty grotto]

lil bro still ignoring

https://mythicstats.com/dps this

dps tank dead

still #1 though

[timid wigeon]

name one class doesn't have a good spec beside warrior

[lusty grotto]

can you

open

the link?

and read?

i even included screenshots earlier

[timid wigeon]

ofc I did, and dps balanced are quite well, except for uDK

[lusty grotto]

i dont think you understand it

we're still #1

[timid wigeon]

you are talking about pwar dps ?

[lusty grotto]

Top parses arent factored in, due to variance

[tiny cave]

even if you filtered to 1 week which is after nerf were nr1

[lusty grotto]

BRO ARE YOU BLIND

ok let me put this up again

whos at the top?

[timid wigeon]

average we are on par with BDK, but on high end, BDK does more dps

[lusty grotto]

its like hes completely blocking everything im posting to him

[timid wigeon]

can't you even see the number of runs ? We are the top 3 least popular tank rn

[lusty grotto]

also ignoring what harrow said and posted

[tiny cave]

so basically if prot warrior is doing SLIGHTLY less than bdk you wont get groups? sounds like it might be a you problem not a warrior problem

[lusty grotto]

lost cause

just

reroll or something

cant reason with him

[timid wigeon]

you are just ignoring everything I said

[lusty grotto]

i am

because at the very least that shows you understood what i posted

which is what i would expect

but being popular means jack shit

[timid wigeon]

pwar lost its advantages of being the strongest dps tank while its disadvantages of being weak utilities on top of weak self-sustaining still remain

[cerulean tusk]

I studied your datapoints, BDK got more DPS

[mighty valley]

prot paladin more popular despite having timed zero 17s worldwide

[winged pawn]

[mighty valley]

it's almost as if popularity and power aren't the same thing

[cerulean tusk]

Almost like DPS and power isnt the same thing

[winged pawn]

it says S tier so thats good enough for zug zug

[tiny cave]

it didnt tho, it got lowered

[timid wigeon]

yes, its self-sustaining got lowered because weaker dps = weaker leech

[mighty valley]

by like... a tiny fraction

[tiny cave]

its like saying wws 4% nerf made them unplaybe but if wager theyre still top 2 in raid

[timid wigeon]

it's a big share in big pull. Leech has the same healing as IP in big pulls, which are the more dangerous than small pulls

[wise drum]

I mean, prot obviously is still playable, but the nerf sucks and I'm still mad about it too when vdh is so clearly the best tank

[tiny cave]

yes but leech is a percent of a percent, its not as big as you think

[wise drum]

Our utility fucking blows compared to the other tanks

[lusty grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/im-out-nope-seinfeld-bye-smile-gif-17717233

[tiny cave]

being upset is fine, doomsday preaching is childish

[cerulean tusk]

Leaving cause you are wrong? Smh

[lusty grotto]

not the time to troll

or is it the perfect time?

[wise drum]

Agreed

[lusty grotto]

🤔

[timid wigeon]

I am not saying our defense becomes significantly weaker after the nerf. but our self-sustaining does become weaker after the nerf, not by a minor fraction, especially in big pulls.

[mighty valley]

it's just boring, take this forum poster energy to where it belongs

[lusty grotto]

i mean to be fair they are role playing warriors pretty well

just being angry

[mighty valley]

but our rage gen was meant to be nerfed this season

[lusty grotto]

IPing by posting in... a discord chat

true

"curse VDHs!!" used to not overcap rage

[timid wigeon]

the shitty part is they buffed our dmg to compensate for the rage nerf. Now they nerfed dmg and we got rage nerf for nothing.

[mighty valley]

is your profile pic some ai bullshit

[small steeple]

THe point I was going to make before you and nimchips attacked me was that pwar is even better than you previous picture suggests. As it shows that more prot warrior players are ranked highly, and having the runs all done by 1/2/3 people not shown. But thanks. apparently all I do is randomly correct people with ACKCHYUALLY. When I'm pretty sure I haven't corrected many people in here before...

[waxen cradle]

Here is what I do not get... does it suck we got a nerf ? ....sure one could argue that, BUT it was such a small and ultimately insignificant nerf that it in NO WAY makes us "unplayble" or even begins to warrant doomsaying so not a big deal

[lusty grotto]

lmao

[lusty grotto]

you have

repeatedly

anyone that isnt Nome

which you just tag for any reason

just an observation but you can just look at your message history

[lime mantle]

Old meta never dies!

[wise drum]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but 10-15% damage in aoe isn't insignificant

[timid wigeon]

I never say it's unplayable. I am pissed because blizzard gave an under-represented tank an undeserved nerf. Now I can't join pugs at my key level.

[tiny cave]

can be if youre 20% above competition inte relativly not a big nerf (not sating we were 20 over i just dont now the real number)

[lime mantle]

tank balance is purely centered around one thing; allowing hyper end game players to have 1 main instead of 6, frankly everyone is being quite negative, if u really think about it, tank meta being 90%+ one spec is like, good.

Don't take away the copium, I don't have a problem.

[violet trellis]

try VDH

[mighty valley]

we're still the number 1 damage tank on average so it can't have been that far off the mark lol

[waxen cradle]

@timid wigeon I mean I have played Prot Warrior for as long as I can remember and will continue to play the spec. I will take the high road and suggest that you prove to those who are fooled into believing otherwise that Prot Warriors are still beasts.

[wise drum]

But damage isn't the only metric, warriors have bad utility compared to other tanks

[timid wigeon]

no, pwar is my class. I won't change it, and you can't stop me from cursing blizzard

[lusty grotto]

how is a nerf to outliers bad

its good for the game

[frail ibex]

Tanks complaining about tuning like they all dont almost play the same lmfao

[lusty grotto]

no class should be so far ahead of others, whether blizzard is looking at other tools in tanks' disposal is another point entirely

[tiny cave]

no but its the metric you were talking about and i answered, youre kinda moving the goalpost

[lusty grotto]

the best you can do is hope they eventually take the same approach at balancing numbers and use it on anything that doesnt directly contribute to dps

[waxen cradle]

As I said I tossed my 2 cents worth in because I feel complaining about something that is not a big deal just for the sake of complaining when you know its not a big deal is not productive or a wise use of ones time.

[violet trellis]

In reality, pwar is just a lame version of protpal, isn't it?

[wise drum]

Sorry if I wasn't clear. My point was it should be okay if a tank with the least utility has more damage than the one with more

[tiny cave]

paladins are nerds

[lusty grotto]

but we arent the tank with the least utility

[timid wigeon]

They don't care about the balance of udk and VDH running around, but they do care about pwar's having slightly higher dps while offering weak utilities n almost no self-sustain

[lusty grotto]

what does brew even have

dogshit raid buff

ring of peace?

[violet trellis]

🔪

[lusty grotto]

by your logic, brew should be #1 in dps out of all the tanks

[wise drum]

They should and were for the longest time

[frail ibex]

Legsweep

[timid wigeon]

brew is another dogshit topic, I would rant about it if I played brew

[frail ibex]

Para

[neon elk]

I mean, monk has also paralyze , dispel, soothe etc..

[winged pawn]

damn that's a good point

[tiny cave]

that i can buy, but id rather have better utility than more dmg, ill cross my fingrrs for something like that

[wise drum]

I agree, but if we're not going to have good cc, not going to have anything to help the group, let us crank damage

[lusty grotto]

soothe is new in TWW

what about in DF?

actually

[mighty valley]

how do we not have good CC

[lusty grotto]

when has brew EVER been meta in keys

[neon elk]

Wasnt aware od that, i just know they have it

[wise drum]

They did near dps level damage in season 2 df

[mighty valley]

we have a 25 second aoe knockup

[timid wigeon]

wasn't brew fine in DF? Brew only started their strikes in TWW

[wise drum]

Compare us vdh and tell me we have good cc

[lusty grotto]

this seems fine to me, the most popular tank is doing the least dps

[tiny cave]

im actually gonna try out brew, it looks fun

[frail ibex]

Your argument with what about DF is the same as bragging about getting CE in HFC it doesn't matter

We are in TWW

not df

[waxen cradle]

Here is one way I tend to see things in terms of what tank has the "highest damage." I dont need to have the highest damage as a tank or have the absolute best utility of any tank because there is a old proverb that says... the nail that sticks out gets hammered. If your not a outlier or someone clearly standing above and beyond the rest your unlikely to get hammered back down.

[lusty grotto]

#protection message see here so you get your context right

[timid wigeon]

with the changes of NPCs' casting, interrupt/silence becomes way more impactful than before.
Compare to other tanks, pwar and brew have the weakest utilities.

[lusty grotto]

dps balancing should never take into account "utility"

period

[waxen cradle]

In this case Blizzard thought they saw a nail that needed hammered back down so they fixed it. Just be grateful your not playing a class that has such a large obvious nail sticking up that they get a target painted on there back

[lusty grotto]

balancing is healthier when they arent hand in hand

[frail ibex]

Please stop talking

[lusty grotto]

does utility need a look at? yes

[lusty grotto]

who are you?

[wise drum]

You mean like ww in raid or fire mage. Who only got 4 and 3 % nerfs

[tiny cave]

didnt they nerf casting this season therefore lowering the need for more kicks? (might be crazy but)

[mighty valley]

yeah, silences are powerful, i just think that two specs having the best interrupts/silences leads people to act like we have literally no cc

[timid wigeon]

then how's about survivability ? VDH doesn't even need heal while being beefy af. Checking logs, VDH requires the least amount of heal among tanks. They get healed just because their hp fluctuates and healer's healing cleaves to them. Practically, they don't need a healer to tank.

[lusty grotto]

sure

but not in relation to dps

every one of those things should independent of each other

[wise drum]

We have the worst ability to help the group and middle of the road cc for tanks

[wise drum]

All tanks should have the exact same kit and have no differences by this logic, sounds like a dreadfully boring game

[lusty grotto]

thats homogenization, and a lot of WoW players will complain about it

[frail ibex]

Guys just ignore chip, He doesn't do high end content so he cannot understand where there is a relation in where dps and util do matter

[waxen cradle]

@lusty grotto OMG these 2 are now arguing to just argue =.=

[lusty grotto]

who are you again?

what is your role here

[frail ibex]

The person telling others to ignore ignorant and dumb takes?

[lusty grotto]

how are they ignorant and dumb

instead of disproving them you've looked me up

must be hard

i mean if they are truly ignorant and dumb they must be super easy to disprove and argue against

[frail ibex]

If you can't figure it out for yourself when others have explained it to you then there is no point in me explaining it to you

[lusty grotto]

🤷‍♂️

ok so you have no answer cause youre a dumbass

noted

[frail ibex]

Again please stop talking like you have a say in the argument

[lusty grotto]

moving on

[frail ibex]

Please do

[tiny cave]

logical fallacy buddy

[wise drum]

chip I'm conerned for you. Why are you on Arthas

[lusty grotto]

100% thanks slappie

my OG server

since vanilla

no reason to move out of it now that guilds are cross realm

[wise drum]

it died though 😦

[waxen cradle]

The last thing tanks need is to be homogenized. Currently tank balance "maybe" outside of relative to the scenario utility is pretty great, but to suggest all tanks should have the same utility is just flat wrong as then you create a whole other issue. Think before you post... if all tanks utility is the same then why ever bring any tank besides the one who currently is tuned the absolute best in damage by that logic

[lusty grotto]

yeah but i dont really need much from the server itself

crafters are covered etc

[neon elk]

As long as u have crafters its all irelevant

Not sure if those are already somehow cross

[lusty grotto]

only guild ones

but im covered anyway

[mighty valley]

the reality is blizzard is never gonna put a ton of time into balancing spec representation for the 3000+ keys, it's an endless task to appease a vanishingly small percentage of the players

so like

get used to the state of things lol

[lusty grotto]

agreed

theres nothing wrong with wishing safeguard back though

[tiny cave]

i really lile my warrior, gonna see how high i can go, buffs and nerfs will come forever, unless a nerf renders you LITERALLY unplayable just move on

[lusty grotto]

just saying it shouldnt be paired with dps balance cause then we have to go "ok well if we take safeguard, they should lower our dps"

[neon elk]

I just hate that half of tanks is either total garbo or pure meta ( or at least thats how comunity see it)

[lusty grotto]

or idk gag order

which would be incredibly useful for caster round ups

[mighty valley]

i also think the main problem is that there aren't really many novel ideas for what makes dungeons challenging other than dangerous spells and silence is always gonna be the best way to reduce the skill required to handle those, so it's always gonna be valued

[lusty grotto]

almost a different way to deal with a grip equivalent

[waxen cradle]

Its why I still play Prot Warrior, deal with the nerfs and whatever things you think prot warriors should have that they dont and play the spec because you enjoy it, OR don't and be a fotm reroller. Anything else is pointless complaining as it does not add to the improvement of spec or the constructive feedback for those seeking help here.

[neon elk]

They should do more stuff like ToP , xav wing . Idk why all dungs have to be centered around CCs and silences to mass control mobs, u can realy see a difference in that wing between war and pretty much any other tank

Deadly tank busters arent fun, but if dungs and pulls are balanced around them, then we might move from that "utility" meta , but thats way easier to say than do

[mighty valley]

i like the guy in xav wing who makes my shield go "clonk clonk clonk" a lot

[wise drum]

that's like the most boring part of any dungeon this season though

[mighty valley]

the community would rebel if more dungeons had stuff like that though, they like BIG PULLS

dps loves huge pulls and tanks that can remove all of their responsibilities

[neon elk]

I mean whole top is boring cuz u cant pull big , but there isnt any special utility that makes it faster or easier so to me it makes sense to make more such stuff

[waxen cradle]

@neon elk the community's perspective is flawed by extreme top end players who ultimately in a lot of cases are streamers and are playing whatever is the fotm as it gets them views and popularity so play what you enjoy and prove the community wrong.

[neon elk]

Like , not make it like top, make it possible to do bigger pulls , but center some around heavy kick requirement like its now and some around heavy hiting tankbusters

[naive panther]

Haha me too. Pretty satisfying.

[wise drum]

You say that, but literally compare VDH to prot right now, like I'm playing prot war because I hate vdh, but they are on a different level. That's not because of streamers

[waxen cradle]

@wise drum Maybe but that does not mean you will not get taken if you can show them it would be foolish of them not to take you

[onyx hearth]

I agree, that's why warrior need to be the only tank with bloodlust

[timid wigeon]

that's the issue. They were not even on same level before the nerfs. Now after the nerf, the gap between them even larger. We had some perk of being dps tank to push high keys. Now the perk is gone, we have become a VDH without self-heal and ccs

[neon elk]

Proving comunity wrong is nice but when u get declined a lot while there is tank shortage then its different story

[waxen cradle]

@wise drum I for one would rather take a skilled prot warrior into my group than a fotm reroller

[wise drum]

I'm not a dedicated warrior main tbh, just a guy who tanks who won't play vdh. So i picked the one I thought would at least have a strong niche

[timid wigeon]

tank shortage only appears in low keys, at high keys, people are willing to get a VDH with 100+ io less than a prot war, and there are way too many DHs for them to pick than a nerfed pwar

[small steeple]

really? Looking through my messages and every messaged that pinged Nome, not a single one was about a correction over what someone else said. And don't say I'm lying, I looked. The vast majority of mentions I had of Nome were direct replies to other messages he's sent. Most of the time I did direct @s to him, it was to point out errors/mistakes on his wowhead page so he can fix them.

You also completely ignored what I said and instead attacked me again. Why is it that I sent a picture that supported your point that prot warrior is strong, you attack me?

And now the only reason I'm "correcting" you is because you were a prick to me for no reason. Peace, I'm gonna seclude myself for now

[sonic terrace]

is there any bosses u only neeed 1 tank this raid or all u need 2? in normal*

[onyx hearth]

You guys are not getting invited? What are doing? 15s?

[timid wigeon]

yes, I did all 14s except priory. And I can't get invited to any 15s or priory 14

[wise drum]

the problem with vdh is it's just better in every dungeon. like if vdh was deleted, I think the other 4 tanks besides brew would have like 2 dungeons each they are best at (not exactly, but they at least have strengths/weaknesses)

[timid wigeon]

I have been sitting for 2 nights, and got all declined for VDHs

[mighty valley]

what happens when you post your own key

[neon elk]

U know that doesnt work well when u try to push ..

[onyx hearth]

At this point, you need friends

[waxen cradle]

This far from the first time I have seen this type of situation I will just say what I did before... play what you enjoy and be the best at it that you can possibly be and I find it very hard to believe you will not get invited. You get out of things what you put into them so show people there perceptions are wrong.

[timid wigeon]

dude, I can't play with my friends, because they don't play high keys. Making in-game high key friends ? they also want to push, thus VDH is their preferred friend, not a pwar.

[ionic nimbus]

youre right, but when u want to do highkeys .. reroll fotm ... you r forced to do this in any role (dps, tank or heal does not matter)

as frost dk you wont get any invites in 15s

[slender bison]

Which dungeons this season are prot war strengths? Maybe ToP?

[timid wigeon]

I understand that idea. But originally, I was pissed because blizzard nerfed pwar when it was not great

[mighty valley]

they don't base their balance decisions on who's getting invited to 15+, sorry

it's just not gonna happen

[timid wigeon]

This just killed my last hope for being a dps tank to get invited

[ionic nimbus]

wasnt happy over this nerf, but we saw it coming the moment RWF was filled with prot warriors... atleast nerf was not too big

[sonic terrace]

they base nerfs on raid and only raid

[ionic nimbus]

vdh meta was set during ptr phase ... sadly

[timid wigeon]

it was also filled with prot pally, we didn't have 2x prot wars

[ionic nimbus]

yeah and prot pal is great in m+ since sl season 2...

[mighty valley]

also they primarily nerfed aoe damage, so this doesn't really hold up

[wise drum]

well before nerfs it would been the ones with the tightest timer

[timid wigeon]

and moreover, they nerfed AoE more than ST. This affects m+ more than raids

[slender bison]

Next patch is void flavor, so all tanks will get balanced around Seat of Triumvirate

And Mana Tombs

[ionic nimbus]

yeah, sadly ... we got a niche for us, because utility is definitly not our strength ... but dps outliners mostly get nerfed despite their standing in utility ...

[marble crown]

IS MT better in m+ with the nerfs or is Colossus better?

[wise drum]

still colossus

[round pendant]

not balancing dps around utility means you'll have to give utility to dps specs that lack some since they'll do the same dps and have less utility otherwise

which is homogenization

[round pendant]

ironic

[round cliff]

how does molten gold dropping on mugzee work

[tiny cave]

i mean if that is your opinion thats fine and its okay to be frustrated by a nerf but people are gonna pug 0.1% titel with (insert ”bad” spec), so reroll or get better until we get next rebalancing

[round cliff]

if i leap, do i drop gold fast as i leap

[warm plinth]

Wait monks have soothe now? - what i got from all the argument above XD

[cerulean tusk]

This is a goldmine

[lusty grotto]

yes

[wise drum]

attached to paralyze

[lusty grotto]

para soothes

[tiny cave]

yep on para

[warm plinth]

Weird

Isn't that a 45 sec cd

[round pendant]

What's this site again?

[lusty grotto]

honestly im ok with it

[tiny cave]

can you para first guy in top and still sooth the horseboy tho? 🧐

[lusty grotto]

https://mythicstats.com/dps

[round pendant]

ty

[waxen cradle]

Half way in I grabbed the popcorn and stopped to wipe my hands off from the butter because no one wants popcorn butter on there keyboard after they type something

[cerulean tusk]

Nim, you accepted that BDK is better DPS than Pwarrior yet?

Only thing I care about

[lusty grotto]

no

[round pendant]

Arms so stinky

[lusty grotto]

avg is tied

top end is close

[cerulean tusk]

BDK stronker, better top-end

[round cliff]

wheres vdh on the tank damage charts

[lusty grotto]

100k close 😎

[cerulean tusk]

Top-end is potential

[tiny cave]

wash them then

[cerulean tusk]

potential is all that matter

[round pendant]

and bdk dies easier

[lusty grotto]

i like bdks funky

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarrior less DPS

[round pendant]

so

[cerulean tusk]

Pwarr isd ead

[lusty grotto]

lol

[warm plinth]

That's our secret

We're always dead

[lusty grotto]

but not undead

those are BDKs

[waxen cradle]

[warm plinth]

Right

[lusty grotto]

just... in the grave

[waxen cradle]

you killed me with that one thanks

[warm plinth]

Unless you're an undead

[waxen frigate]

What kinda jank ass site is this

[warm plinth]

Then it gets confusing

[lusty grotto]

aaaaaaaaaaa

[tiny cave]

forsaken* 😤

[neon elk]

No u dont also if it lives too long u can soothe onky every other tantrum

[warm plinth]

It says undead on my character screen

[waxen cradle]

all good I gots my I can handle all

[warm plinth]

It's all you need

[slow forge]

Fancy seeing you here.

[waxen frigate]

I’m everywhere

Except Dreamgrove fuck druids

[slow forge]

I thought you betrayed Brew for VDH

[waxen frigate]

And I’m kinda on a gentlemen’s agreement not to return to paladin discord

[slow forge]

Well shit, I’m here too lmao.

[tiny cave]

is brew fun to play?

[round cliff]

fun to play but has wack ass sound design

and visual effects design

and broken animations

[waxen frigate]

Grew very stale for me

But I think the play style is fun

It’s just been the same for like 5 or 6 tiers now (since Aberrus)

[tiny cave]

Cool, thanks!

[slow forge]

It’s just ignored by Blizz

[hexed moth]

why the third boss in motherload hit too much

[lusty grotto]

where canned fish

[tiny cave]

fire damage?

[cerulean tusk]

Cba to scroll up and check, but I am glad the rat in a hat finally accepted BDK being the top dog of tank DPS

[lusty grotto]

no

mouse be mousing

rats be ratting

[slow forge]

Which dungeons in M+ is Prot War particularly strong in this season?

[timid wigeon]

ToP, ML, which are free keys anyway. Worst dungeons this season are priory/brew/flood (priory is the hardest), which happen to be the worst dungeons for pwar as well.

[dusty echo]

I saw some tech where the first pull of priory the tank was going to the stairs and had the whole group stack on him to avoid potshot. HOw does that work?

[sharp olive]

What the best war within dungeon for prot

Stonevault? Spell reflect tech?

[cyan bronze]

if we vote for fucking stone vault

I will crash out

[mild river]

I hated SV

Please no

I love floodgate. Best dungeon for me this expansion

[warm plinth]

I'm upset that they're only allowing a vote that has tww dungeons

But I think most people are definitely enjoying this season's dungeons more than last

[mild river]

I probably think ppl will vote for arakara

[warm plinth]

Overall anyway

[mild river]

S2 dungeons are way better than s1 in my opinion

[warm plinth]

Question: if you have the thing that prevents your key from depleting past 12, and you manually drop it past that point, what happens if you deplete it?

[mild river]

I just with we didn't need to pull almost Every trash pack in every dungeon. I think that's why I love floodgate. You are free to choose

[timid wigeon]

do you happen to like priory as well ?

[mild river]

I had a 12. I lowered it to a 10 for a friends alt. We depleted and I got a 9 at the end.

[warm plinth]

Ok ty

[mild river]

I do. I don't like pugs butt pulling every pat or group.

[lusty grotto]

to be fair

having priory means tome is back on the vault pool

just something to consider

[timid wigeon]

I had mythic track tome this week vault, and I didn't grab it. Signet is better overall

[lusty grotto]

wrong

[mild river]

The problem in priory is every pack is kind dangerous and if you butt pull somehow, it's mostly a wipe.

[lusty grotto]

but youre probably not simming correctly

as it is in the pins

[timid wigeon]

overall in term of survivability, AoE and ST dmg

[warm plinth]

I pull Nim's butt all the time

[timid wigeon]

not just ST dps

[lusty grotto]

nah

its not

[timid wigeon]

kay

[warm plinth]

Oh, question. Why are we now using aegis? I assume because it no longer gives rage on SS?

[timid wigeon]

just noticed your name. I agree mastery isn't a bad stat, especially as colossus

[lusty grotto]

vs myth 6/6 signet

[warm plinth]

Tbh I have had this name since uh, idk when

Late df or early tww

Then I took a break

And am only sort of back

[strong forum]

i cant decide between floodgate and stonevault

ara kara sucks cuz of last boss

stonevault everything is pretty even

[warm plinth]

Nome why aegis over wall now pls

[strong forum]

cuz wall is FUCKING DEAD

like huh

[warm plinth]

They killed it

The bastards

[strong forum]

they removed 75% of the talent

and then buffed DA and nerfed base SW cd

so theres absolutely 0 reason why imp wall still exists

[warm plinth]

Ohhh I didn't realize that part

[strong forum]

with aegis SW cd is base 2min

and 2 charges

[warm plinth]

I noticed the missing rage on ss on wall but didn't look at aegis ye5

Yet

Gotcha

[strong forum]

imp wall absolutely murdered

[warm plinth]

That makes sense. Literal assassination

[timid wigeon]

do you have on-demand cd like signets for big pulls and line up with other cds or you have to keep ToL up whenever you can ? Does ToL boost your IP and armor to survive tank burster + bleed which is our main killer ?
We don't play patchwerk game

[lusty grotto]

how does signet boost your IP and armor

its highest secondary stat

[timid wigeon]

Signet is a primary stat trinket

ToL is no stat or only crit stat trinket

[lusty grotto]

wat

[timid wigeon]

that's the on-use

link the whole trinket

pls

[lusty grotto]

brother every trinket we are currently using has primary stat on it lol

[timid wigeon]

ToL has primary stat ? that's new to me

[lusty grotto]

thats not the point

[strong forum]

with 2x the stat budget on crit, yes

[timid wigeon]

that's the point when we compare signet vs ToL

[lusty grotto]

okay then

[timid wigeon]

less than 1 stat budget on crit, tbc

[strong forum]

it has 3.5k crit

which is 2x of any other secondary stat trinket

7k crit when the on-use is used

[timid wigeon]

if you include the on-use than it has same amount of a normal trinket, but in exchange of primary for crit

so is crit better than primary stat ?

[strong forum]

sir

youre confusing stat budgets

a trinket that comes with a secondary stat as base

has ~1.5k secondary stat on it

and then whatever the on-use brings

tome is of that archetype

it comes with a secondary stat budget + extra effect

there are 2 archetypes of trinkets

mainstat + on use

or secondary stat + on use

[timid wigeon]

I know, and it only has crit

[lusty grotto]

i guess he just wants 5.8k worth of Strength for his IPs instead of 50k more dps

[timid wigeon]

on patchwerk

[lusty grotto]

surely that contribution will keep him alive and help him get groups vs VDHs

[strong forum]

what is the goal of this conversation

to be clear

[lusty grotto]

signet vs tome

he has been bitching about VDHs the entire day also

[warm plinth]

tl;dr: ADK says that overall, signet is better than tome (based on ST, AoE, and survivability). Nim is saying that isn't true.

[strong forum]

signet sucks for ST, is better than tome on AoE cuz tome is pure st trinket with 2-4x secondary stat budget

signet will ofc do more aoe dmg, but will not be synced with any of our CDs

[timid wigeon]

ok, I said I didn't get mythic track Tome because in my opinion, Signet offers better overall performance including, survivability, AoE, and ST

[strong forum]

because our CDs are on a 45s cycle

that statement completely wrong

[timid wigeon]

ToL shines only in patchwerk fights, but in reality, you have to time the trinket with big pulls and other cds, which Tome fails at

[strong forum]

the only thing signet will offer, is bigger AoE burst when all CDs are ready

nothing else

for prio and ST dam, tome wins by a landslide, surv is inconsequential

[timid wigeon]

moreover, Signet offers bigger IP and armor, providing better survivability against bleeds and tank bursters

[strong forum]

aintnoway chief thinks 5k str matters defensively

theres a very binary check vs tankbusters

[timid wigeon]

in priory, the 2nd boss and the mini boss before the last boss are the biggest threats, which trinket is better to help you survive ?

[strong forum]

which is, do you have a CD for it up (if one is needed)

[strong forum]

tome

[timid wigeon]

moreover, it's all about big pulls, which one is better in big pulls ?

[strong forum]

cuz it grants massive survivability against magice dmg:)

big pulls arent the ones killing tanks 🙂

they kill your group

[timid wigeon]

well, there is no point to argue at this point because you can't convince me with "ST dps matters"

[strong forum]

LOL

[timid wigeon]

and i can't convince you with "IP and on-use cd matter"

[strong forum]

you are aware that single target and prio dmg is what times keys?

and not aoe dmg

in ACTUAL high keys

if AoE dmg mattered, why do people play with 1.3mil DPS VDH

[timid wigeon]

explain to me why 80% of key 15+ are VDH while it has the lowest dps, and lowest ST dps ?

[strong forum]

because theyre bandwagoning?

[timid wigeon]

so, the best players are just brainlessly bandwagoning ?

[strong forum]

always have been

[timid wigeon]

while we are the smartest and understand everything

[strong forum]

didnt claim this either

[timid wigeon]

well, you clearly indicate so

[strong forum]

but you are trying to bring "but the popular thing to do is" as an argument

instead of facts

[timid wigeon]

no, I am just pointing out your false claim "single target and prio dmg is what times keys"

[strong forum]

alright

what depletes runs mostly

in ultra keys

[timid wigeon]

and I also pointed out the facts that VDH is the best tank not because of "dps"

it's the best because of its absurd survivability

[strong forum]

okay, why wasnt it last season

why was pally so much more popular

why did VDHs all play felscarred last season

and are now playing dogshit AR

which does half the dmg of FS and is less interactive with tierset

[timid wigeon]

does VDH have the same survivability as the previous season ?

[strong forum]

when VDHs have timed 18s last season which were much much harder to tank

[strong forum]

yessir

[timid wigeon]

... you didn't even read patch note, do you ?

[strong forum]

they buffed felscarred even

and yet everyone is sucking off AR

[timid wigeon]

and they buffed AR even more

[lusty grotto]

i mean fel spikes was the only one that was touched really

[timid wigeon]

and again, pls answer my question, does VDH have the same survivability as s1 ?

[lusty grotto]

extended etc

[strong forum]

didnt they only rly gain +2s on spikes or some shit

[remote anchor]

yea

[lusty grotto]

yeah pretty much

[timid wigeon]

pls read patchnote again

[strong forum]

why should i go through the trouble

when theres other tanks doing just as high keys

or even higher

youre not gonna win this argument with "but popularity reeee"

[timid wigeon]

because you assume you know it all and argue based on the false information

[strong forum]

false information

which one

[timid wigeon]

the changes of VDH from s1 and s2, and assuming VDH's survivability stays same

[strong forum]

if i recall this thing was about signet vs tome

why are we goalposting more and more

[timid wigeon]

ok, it origined from your statement "single target and prio dmg is what times keys"

[strong forum]

tbf i started the goalposting

my bad

yes, ST is what times keys

[timid wigeon]

meanwhile the best VDH has the worst dps

[strong forum]

cuz bosses have to die

[timid wigeon]

explain to me, why ?

why VDH is the best tank with the worst dps ?

[strong forum]

because again, people are flocking to it cuz they dont get invites if theyre not VDH

because people decided

this is the tank to play this season

[timid wigeon]

again, so high key players are brainless dumbass who should play warrior or BDK to push

[strong forum]

did i say this?

no i didnt

but im also not saying there is a "best" tank

altho i do think eventually it will be paladin again

[timid wigeon]

so why 80% of high key players are VDH ?

shouldn't they play pwar or BDK for more dmg ?

[strong forum]

why are you trying to put words in my mouth

[remote anchor]

its early season keys

its 4fun time

[strong forum]

im trying to explain to you, that tome is arguably better than signet all things considered

ST dmg is ultimately what times keys

[lusty grotto]

nome he was claiming that revenge hits for a wet noodle earlier

[strong forum]

youre not gonna play a DPS which does 1mil ST in ultra keys cuz otherwise bosses will live 30 decades

[remote anchor]

true

buff it

[lusty grotto]

i had to link him mythicstats

and he still went on and on about it

[timid wigeon]

ok, then you still don't explain to me why 80% of high key players play VDH for the lowest dmg

[strong forum]

but i did

because most people flock to it

because they see people claim that its THE tank to play

[lusty grotto]

its called bandwagoning

it has been mentioned before in this conversation

[thin marten]

my fellow brown name shieldwearers, I have finally gotten my tome from a russian paladin who extorted 10k out of me for it

what's the optimal way of using it

[timid wigeon]

you meant high key players can't even think themselves ?

[thin marten]

just click it off cd whenever it's on armor?

[remote anchor]

yea

[strong forum]

why would they think for themselves

[timid wigeon]

and who tell them VDH is the best ?

[strong forum]

when they can just copy

[thin marten]

me

[strong forum]

from the people who are higher rated

[remote anchor]

wowhead rn

[lusty grotto]

a website

[strong forum]

its literally a self perpetuating motion

[timid wigeon]

so higher rated player are liars because VDH isn't the best ?

[strong forum]

bro

calm the fuck down

[lusty grotto]

"because its popular, it means its the best"

btw he was complaining also about not getting invites becasue VDHs

[strong forum]

nobody is claiming that vdh isnt the most suited for the current dungeon pool

[lusty grotto]

c:

[strong forum]

but you are trying to reduce it to damage and survivability

[timid wigeon]

lol, don't bring to another topic

[strong forum]

tanks are not this binary

[timid wigeon]

we were talking about ToL vs Signet, patchwerk dmg vs survivability + on-demand cd

[strong forum]

tome offers survivability you know that ye?

signet will not make you magically survive a pull

because you have 7k more haste for 20seconds

once every 2 minutes

neither will tome decide you get to live or die

but tome will do dmg where it matters most

[thin marten]

okay but can you take a break from talking about the funny purple class and tell me how the tome works and how to optimally use it

[strong forum]

is explained in pins

[timid wigeon]

in term of parry chance ? it's only for white attacks, again, the biggest threat for pwar is dots, what does crit do again ?

[strong forum]

magic absorb, which tends to be our weakness every so often 🙂

like say

[small steeple]

tome defense mode is literally a magic absorb

[strong forum]

the miniboss you mentioned in priory

cuz that boss is pure magic dmg

[prisma echo]

You always on crit mode when on shield mode you press it and its crit mode on steroids

[strong forum]

and tome does shitton of magic shielding vs that

same as for priory first boss

[thin marten]

tight thank you

[timid wigeon]

yes, on top of having primary stat, you can also use it when you need, unlike ToL, you can't control it be because you have to turn the page whenever you can

[thin marten]

does the last boss in priory ever do any damage to the tank

[prisma echo]

Download some weak aura it help a lot

[thin marten]

the smite does like 2%

[strong forum]

? whenver you can?

no

just use your brain

where you want to swap when

[strong forum]

nah

absolutely 0 tank dam

[timid wigeon]

are you telling me to keep it even when it is on def mode and save it for the next pull ?

then you waste crit and procs

awesome

[small steeple]

Does big spell reflect dam

[strong forum]

depends how many stacks you have 🙂

if youre on 45 stacks

and you use the CD

youre hard trolling

[timid wigeon]

nope, I am not. Again, I am pro signet, and survivability + on-use cd

[strong forum]

feel free

to do so

[timid wigeon]

but you are in favour of constant dmg

[neon elk]

Ngl that last boss in rookery is something , feels like ages

[thin marten]

I can't tell if grumpymurloc trinket WA is tracking it properly

[strong forum]

its exhaustingly boring of a boss

[timid wigeon]

so we are on different terms.

[strong forum]

you prefer the trinket which doesnt align with our CDs, which is fair

[timid wigeon]

but I don't disagree with you

[strong forum]

everybody makes their own choices

[thin marten]

okay grumpymurloc does not properly show pages nvm

[timid wigeon]

ToL has its strength, but to me signet is better.

[strong forum]

absolutely valid point

signet IS more aoe dmg

no doubt about it

[thin marten]

signet doesn't give you cool bubble visual

[strong forum]

ideally i would just run pacemaker + house of cards

cuz thats by FAR the most dmg

i would never pick signet from vault

cuz its just a bad house of cards

[timid wigeon]

agree, but mythic HoC is hard to get for most players, especially m+ players

[strong forum]

and house of cards offers vastly more survivability cuz the extra boost in mastery for big pulls nets a lot more crit blocks

😉

[warm iris]

Just got

Is it worth useing as prot

[strong forum]

not myth track tho

anlaki

i think its okay for raid

but in m+ you miss out too much in the long run

cuz iirc the proc is very little dmg

but so are stats

[neon elk]

Ngl i would kill for even hc ( or for now normal) house of cards

[strong forum]

i got it from my first vault so yey

still dont have pacemaker tho

[neon elk]

Lucky you

[strong forum]

instead i gotta deal with shitty tanks

doing 0 damage

[neon elk]

Pacemaker is at least farmable if u can endure it

[strong forum]

i refuse

[neon elk]

Understandable

[strong forum]

this run was infinitely worse

[remote anchor]

i loot pacemaker everytime im in there

[strong forum]

THIS IS ST DMG BTW

[remote anchor]

hit me up if you need it

[tardy zealot]

can someone give me a TLDR as to why colossus seems to be the meta for prot warrior in m+? I feel like their single target might be slightly better, sure. but is that it? beter single target?

[strong forum]

PURE ST

[strong forum]

vastly superior aoe dmg

and you get to play immovable object

which grants a ton of SW uptime

[neon elk]

This looks sad af

[strong forum]

especially on pull, which is the most dangerous for tanks

[thin marten]

any chance you can share your details profile

[strong forum]

this was the overall of the depleted floodgate

bro half the time the mobs werent even stacked

this run was pure pain

[timid wigeon]

you also have better passive DR, 5% passive on top 10% from colossus which have high uptime, especially at the start of the pull

bigger IP is the bonus

[strong forum]

thane grants higher rage gen, but 40% less aoe dmg

and thane just plays like ass

its so boring

vs magic dmg thane is better

but like

[neon elk]

What key lvl was that fg?

[strong forum]

10

[neon elk]

Wtf

[strong forum]

you wonder how its depleted?

welllll

[tardy zealot]

I actualyl tend to prefer thane playstyle a big for prot. but im surprised to hear colossus is so much better for aoe dmg

[neon elk]

Yea kinda xd

[timid wigeon]

yes, but most rage is dumped into IP, so it's equal out by Colossus' bigger IP

[remote anchor]

you jsut spam fat revenges

[strong forum]

not entirely, cuz thane has 40% more rage gen and rarely spends rage on revenge

thane also still plays indom because of that fact

which is a lot of self healing

thane also gets 8% perma DR from thunderblast

also 5% more DR from demo shout and more demo shout uptime + more rage from demo shout

so you cant compare survivability just with IP

but colossus is just way more dmg + tierset synergy + IO

the difference is very maginal between the 2 aside from aoe dmg

so its mostly just a "play what you prefer"

[tardy zealot]

but the extra thunderclap damage, + the ignoring armor isnt as much as colossus aoe tho?

[strong forum]

not even remotely

[timid wigeon]

I forgot this one, but we need AoE interrupt, so we can't play thunderlord for demo shout cdr

[strong forum]

you dont get enough thunderblasts to compete with revenge spam

[tardy zealot]

true

[strong forum]

revenge hits CONSTANTLY for 2mil+ in aoe

whereas thunderblast is only every so often

and thunderclap is a fucking joke of a button

especially outside of avatar

thane relies on avatar + thunderblast procs to do aoe dmg

[timid wigeon]

it's super awkward to play Thane in m+ this season, Immovable Object is too strong to give up

[strong forum]

colossus doesnt need anything but a good amount of crit on gear

and yo ucan just spam revenge almsot every global

for consistent 6mil+ aoe

thane has dmg swings

especially without CDs thane falls off hard

colossus doesnt

cuz you always have demolish every 20-30sec and revenge all the time

also reason why i didnt play thane last season

and played 98% colossus in s1

cuz its just more fun and WAY more dmg

[timid wigeon]

revenge doesn't do good dmg anymore. It was on par or even more than demolish before the nerf. Now it's only 2/3 of my colossus dmg

[neon elk]

U mean demolish ?

[timid wigeon]

yes, mb

[lusty grotto]

can we ban this guy for misinformation and be done with it?

[neon elk]

If so i think u press it too little

I still have revenge above demolish* , but counting all " revenge" cuz details splits it

[strong forum]

revenge should still be 40% of your overall

maybe 35%

[hearty rain]

is there a specific reason for why so few prot warrs are running bombsuit trinket? Thought the high key pushers would go for a def trinket at least but only seeing mud trinket and tome so far

[strong forum]

they dont have it

hope this helps!

its week 3 or 4 of the season mein dude

not everyone has every item 🙂

[neon elk]

Especialy when its raid item

[hearty rain]

hence why im asking for a specific reason, which that is. so thx for reply

[strong forum]

we're also all still 13-15ilvl behind max

lots of things, and "meta" will still change

meta isnt ANYWHERE NEAR decided

11.1.5 patch will swing things still

[neon elk]

I just wish they would introduce dinars earlier than in 2months

[timid wigeon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qP2L49ktR1MGTygJ?fight=6&type=summary feel free to criticise

I pulled quite big in this dungeon

but for boss fights

[strong forum]

9.9 cpm of revenge

[timid wigeon]

I only dare to spam IP

[strong forum]

you thunderclap too much my guy

[timid wigeon]

revenge is a luxury to me

[timid wigeon]

becauses it generates rage

[strong forum]

ye but it does negative dmg and especially in big pulls, Brutal vitality will keep you alive more than the piss rage of TC

[timid wigeon]

when my IP vanished in matter of miliseconds, a few rage points from clap also are also helpful

[strong forum]

your IP REALLY shouldnt vanish in milliseconds

you keep up IP by revenging

[lusty grotto]

read No Stranger To Pain

[strong forum]

and you stay healthy via dmg

because leech and brutal vitality is what keeps you healthy

[timid wigeon]

well, it does, a full bar of IP vanishes after a single tank burster

[lusty grotto]

holy

[strong forum]

which there are exactly 2

in floodgate

okay 3

1st boss, 3rd boss and last boss

outside of that there are no tank busters

[neon elk]

Dont we count that knockup as tankbuster on 2nd ?

[strong forum]

no

[neon elk]

Not that it matters but you know

[strong forum]

it does 0 dmg

[lusty grotto]

why arent you using spell block?

it works on that hit

it should say it was blocked, but you didnt even use it

[strong forum]

why did you only do 2mil dps on your first pull?

and only 1 demolish in 50 seconds

[neon elk]

Unless its on like 30% when the small one is dead and it goes back to back xd

[lusty grotto]

like i get not using it on last boss cause nothing is spell blockable there but wtf

[strong forum]

12 revenges and 10 TCs on first pull?

did you kite immediately or

[timid wigeon]

oh didn't know it can be blocked, I used other def cds on it

but good to know

[lusty grotto]

bUt My Ip

[strong forum]

floodgate does like 0 dmg to tanks

[lusty grotto]

lol

[timid wigeon]

I used spell block on the AoE phase

[strong forum]

nah thats bad

healer heals that

[timid wigeon]

nah

[strong forum]

yeh

[timid wigeon]

I have SW for every crush

[strong forum]

either way

[lusty grotto]

here you go my dude

[timid wigeon]

it's also helpful against the dots

spell block does nothing about the dots

[lusty grotto]

now you can know what is spell blocked and what isnt

[timid wigeon]

using both spell block + SW for a single tank burster is overkill

better to use SB for the AoE phase

[strong forum]

?

bruv

you cycle them

sw-spellblock-spellblock-sw-sw-sw

[timid wigeon]

I do, and I have cds for every crush

so what's wrong with not using SB on it and using on AoE ?

[strong forum]

you didnt have SW for 3 of the 8 busters you ate

[timid wigeon]

spell reflect + demo shout

[strong forum]

and bsv

[timid wigeon]

or BSV

or last stand + health pot + victory rush

again, why do I have to use SB on a single tank burster instead of the AoE phase

which does more consistant dmg

[strong forum]

cuz the aoe phase does nothing to us

[timid wigeon]

...

it almost killed me

the only thing I press during the AoE phase is IP

lol

[split roost]

y not just spell reflect during aoe

[timid wigeon]

I did, if I have it on cd

and because you can also use SR on tank burster

for less dmg

[strong forum]

you didnt use spellblock a single time on this boss

[timid wigeon]

weird

[strong forum]

on this very log

[timid wigeon]

I remembered I used it on the AoE phase

[strong forum]

you only shieldwalled 4 times

in 3.5 minutes

[timid wigeon]

maybe I was wrong then

well, I need to save at least one for next pull

[strong forum]

you almost died

[timid wigeon]

because the next pull also sucks

[strong forum]

because you ate a naked tankbuster

and went straight into intermission

[timid wigeon]

BSV

easy

lol

[strong forum]

this is the 2nd intermission

[timid wigeon]

BSV is a cooldown

[lusty grotto]

except for thunderpunch, every tb is spell blockable, crush only the hit, no reason to not use it

in that dungeon

[strong forum]

you procced BSV before that one

it wasnt ready

you proicced BSV on first intermission

on 2nd intermission you just went in naked

and pressed nothing

[timid wigeon]

oh, then I must have a full IP bar or LS, I don't know, I didn't have any situation that I can die to tank burster

[lusty grotto]

between 3 walls (with avatar mini wall), demo, punish and BSV you have enough DR to handle everything but you keep mentioning IP which is not as strong as any of them

[strong forum]

this is how you ate and went into the 2nd intermission

you just didnt do anything

[timid wigeon]

again, why do you bring up the def cd usage when I literally didn't die ? I was talking about revenge

lmao

[strong forum]

ye like you were fine

[lusty grotto]

cause youre hyper focusing on IP

[strong forum]

but yeh anyway

your first pull is extremely weird

[lusty grotto]

when IP is not comparable to straight up DR from those abilities

[timid wigeon]

because I would die if I don't IP

[lusty grotto]

and thats why we bring up CD usage

[timid wigeon]

lol, my cd usasge is not perfect, but it's good around

[lusty grotto]

literally because of what you just said

cds >>>>>>>>>> ip

[potent anvil]

Is tome of light's devotion good to use for a passive dps trinket? Or should I stick with priory sigil?

[strong forum]

what is this opener